Part Two: The Racist Cult Behind Herbal Tea

Robert is joined again by Ty aka HeyShadyLady - one of the hosts of the Boss LVL podcast to continue to discuss the Urantia Book and Sleepy Time Tea. 

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Speaker 1 (00:03):
Ah, am I supposed to all? Yeah, an atonal scream
is kind of thing. Look, I don't know why we
do this, but Sophie says this is critical for traffic.

(00:24):
You know, this is entirely so at Sophie's command. This
is following her orders. Yeah, you're welcome, listeners. Yeah, she
loves the ATONAL grunting. She says it's it's the only
reason people listen to this podcast. Welcome back to behind
the bastards, the podcast that is legally required to listen.

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If you have friends who aren't listening, call the FBI
immediately and report them. Called CPS. You know, one way
or the other have the state do violence to them
for not listening to our show. We have to issue
them a citation. Yeah, funck him up with COPS. So tie. Hello,
how how are you doing in part two? I'm doing great.

(01:08):
I got a little Oreo Brownie bite. Oh, that sounds good. Yeah,
I had a fistful of blueberries from my front garden. Healthier,
A K A hey shady lady from the boss Level Podcast,
your twitch streamer, a Youtuber, Um, a colleague of my
nemesis and also the editor of our podcasts, Daniel Yes yes,

(01:34):
one day I will destroy him, but today he knows why, Sophie. Today, though,
today we're talking about Dr William Sadler, his wife Lena
and their career as pop psychologists slash eugenicists and, uh now,

(01:56):
debunkers of automatic writing and mediumship. Final, Amena. So they've
they've pivoted. As we hit part two now and we
talked about automatic writing. Right, that is basically somebody claims
to have been taken over by some sort of entity
that is not them, that is writing using their body. Right,

(02:16):
if you've ever seen six cents, they have the kid.
I think it's the kid in sixth sense that does
automatic writing. Um, I think that. I think Bruce Willis
the therapist, tells him to like just write and eventually
your real words that you need to say are going
to come out, and then it's just all the ghosts angry,
you know, and then the mom friends and she's like,
holy sh it, what's wrong with my kid? That's actually

(02:37):
how I write all of these podcasts. Okay, yes, all
of these podcasts are automatically written by me channeling various ghosts. Um,
it's good ship. It's ghosts written by ghosts. This one
oddly enough, written by the Ghost of Joseph Stalin. Yeah,

(02:58):
he's a lot more vulgar than I thought. Yeah, out,
that's that's J stall so uh. Anyway, the most prominent
proponent of automatic writing in the post war era was
Sir Oliver Lodge, a well known physicist and a pioneer
in the science of radio waves. Lodge lost a son
in Belgium in Nineteen fifteen to a German artillery shell

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and then a younger brother to the flu in Nineteen nineteen.
So he's kind of like the human embodiment of this
like wave of grief that brings people to spiritualism in
the post war era. He also lost a brother in
law in Belgium in nineteen fourteen, but who gives a
shit about brother in laws, right Um, anyway, so much
loss spurs him to explore life after death and in
Nineteen sixteen he writes a book about a series of

(03:40):
contacts he claimed to have had with his dead son, Raymond.
Lodge and his wife sat with several mediums who attempted
to communicate with their boy through tactics like table tilting
and automatic writing, and I write up history dot com
notes and his messages Raymond offered a comforting vision of
the great beyond, complete with flowers, trees, dogs, cats and birds.
He repeatedly assured his parents that he was happy. He

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told them he'd reconnected with his great grandfather, with his
great grandfather, with his late grandfather, plus a brother and
sister who died in infancy, and made many new friends.
He reported that soldiers who had lost an arm and
battle found it magically restored, although those who had been
blown to pieces took a bit longer to become whole.
And I do love the vision of like an afterlife
that's perfect. But also, if you get blown up, it

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takes a while to get unblown up. Like it's not
that perfect. The afterlife there's still like ship they gotta
deal with right. You gotta Wait To get rebuilt. If
that happens to you, it's kind of cool. Um. Dr
William Sadler heartily rejected the claims of supernatural experiences published
by people like lodge, but he would later claim in

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nineteen eleven he was reached out to by a neighbor
who was concerned that her husband would occasionally lapse into
a deep sleep and breathe abnormally. She was unable to
rouse him. During these episodes, the doctor Sadler agreed to
sit with the sleeping subject, as he was known, and
take notes on what he did. At some point he
began to speak. In one party who was present at

(05:03):
the time recorded what occurred. Quote. The subject was moistening
his lips. Perhaps we should ask a question. How are
you feeling? To the great astonishment of everyone, the subject spoke,
but the voice was peculiar, not his normal voice. The
voice identified itself as a student visitor on an observation
mission from another planet. This being, apparently was conversing through
the sleeping subject by some means, and this then became

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a common occurrence. So while he's like a debunker and
going around and he's doing like these big show debunkings
with his friend the magician, he starts talking with this
visitor who claims to be like in the body of
like a guy who lives in his apartment building Um,
and they start taking notes on what this this being
is saying. And again the timeline is all funked up here.

(05:47):
The book that Saddler writes about this isn't published until
the fifties. Most sources will say that the first visitation.
The first time he talks to this guy will he's
channeling someone. Happens in nineteen eleven. Some claims say nineteen
O six. This probably never happened at all. So it's
again entirely, you know, academic. But Sadler later claims it

(06:08):
starts in like nineteen eleven or so Um, and his
claim is that like this, this other, this person who's
like being possessed in the night, is being possessed by
a student visitor, basically an intern from these advanced spiritual
beings who won't run like a Galactic Federation. So basically
there's like intern is hanging out and looking at earth

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and like talking through this sleeping man to our buddy
William Sadler. Starting in the sleepers switched from speaking with
the voice of a visitor while passed out to doing
automatic writing, producing voluminous handwritten documents with filled with fantastic
stories about this alien civilization. So, against saddler claims, this
goes on for decades. There's no evidence whatsoever of this. Um.

(06:51):
The first writing that we have by Sadler on the
matter was published in a nineteen twenty nine book the
mind and mischief, which is mostly a debunking of mediums
in psychics. In the appendix he wrote about two cases
he could not adequately explain, including this one quote. The
other exception has to do with a rather peculiar case
of psychic phenomena, one which I find myself unable to classify.

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I was brought into contact with it in the summer
of nineteen eleven and I have had it under my
observation more or less ever since, having been present at
probably two and fifty of the night sessions, many of
which have been attended by a stenographer who made voluminous notes.
A thorough study of this case has convinced me that
it is not one of ordinary trance. This man is
utterly unconscious, wholly oblivious to what takes place and, unless

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told about it subsequently, never knows that he has been
used as a sort of clearing house for the coming
and going of alleged extra planetary personalities. Psychoanalysis, hypnotism, intensive
comparison failed to show that the written or spoken messages
of this individual have origin in his own mind. Much
of the material secured through this subject is quite contrary
to his habits of thought, to the way in which

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he has been taught and to his entire philosophy. In fact,
of much that we have secured, we have failed to
find anything of its nature in existence. So basically he's
like this guy is a normal, boring, asked Christian like
me and he's telling all these fantastic stories about aliens.
Clearly that means they're real. It's just you keep the word,
you keep using as grift and it's all I'm thinking
is this guy, saddler, has established himself as an expert

(08:18):
on debunking spiritual psychic phenomena, except my friend over here,
because WHO's legit? Yeah, and it's he claims nineteen eleven,
because that puts it before the spiritual is the spiritualism
like craze bursts. There's no evidence of him claiming that
this guy exists to other people until like the late twenties,

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and he doesn't publish anything about this until the fifties.
So again, I think he's I think he's made up
a lot of this. Obviously, at some point there is
a larger group of people that he's reportedly going back to.
We'll talk about that in a second. So who the
sleeping subject was has never been made clear. Saddler and
his fall. Followers would later claim he had been, quote,

(09:01):
a hard boiled businessman, member of the Board of Trade
and Stock Exchange, in order to make him seem more credible.
It was. It was one of Dr Harvey Kellogg's sons.
It was like his brother in law. It was a
Kellogg keeping the family yeah. At any rate, this right
up from the rootledge text ufo religions, edited by Christopher Partridge,
tells the next part of the story. Later, two other

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people were admitted to witness the events, one of whom
became the secretary. Together, the six people involved became known
as the contact commission, although it was only ever the
sleeping subject who was used as the actual contact. William
Sadler's initial explanation for the event was that it was
being generated by the mind of the individual. However, he
had abandoned this initial diagnosis of automatic speaking after examining

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the sleeping subject under hypnosis. Similarly, further attempts to find
another scientific answer failed. The sleeping subject was also viewed
by Sadler as being in good health and any notion
of him suffering from any form of psychiatric ailment was
refuted by Sadler. So again we know that this is
real because we hypnotized him and he didn't admit to
having faked it. Right, great, solid. That seems bulletproof. Thank you,

(10:12):
Dr Sadler. So more detail on the contact commission comes
from the Book God talk, which described and then that's
by our buddy the gooch, which describes it, as quote,
a tightly interwoven incestuous family units. So this contact commission,
which is always described in these very business like terms
in order to make it seem like well, as a scientist,

(10:32):
I immediately put together a commission of people who can
analyze this. It's all saddlers and Kellogg's right like. It's
all family. It's a bunch of his like Kim The stenographer,
is there adopted adult daughter Um. There's never any good
reason given as to why Sadler found this example of
automatic writing to be legitimate by but it rejected all
other mediums and their ilk. Some sources claim he continued

(10:55):
to doubt that this person was real, was really channeling
anything up until nineteen thirty six, and that it was
his wife, Lena who was the major impulse to keep
having these conversations with aliens Um. And it's worth noting
that there's only really two major differences between this case,
which Sadler declared real, and other automatic writing claims from

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the same period. Number One, the sources here are intergalactic
alien governmental interns and not spirits or divine entities, which
is a change Um. And number two, the claims they
make are replete with specific scientific claims. So they're making
specific scientific claims about space and the universe. Um, some

(11:36):
of these claims are very wrong. They claim that the
Universe is eight hundred and fifty billion years old. It's
it's not. I mean it's like fifty billions, something like that.
They make claims about like how planets formed via a
cretion where, which has also generally been debunked. Other claims
are kind of weirdly close. They make a claim about
the speed of light. That isn't far off. Um, had
that already been established at that time? No, no, again,

(11:59):
this is the fucking twenties and stuff that they're they're
putting this out, although the book isn't published until the fifties.
So then again, like when some of this has been
it's a mix Um, but that is something that's different, right.
Is there actually they're actually making like sci fi claims here,
like it's like it's like star Trek technobabble stuff. It's
nearly all bullshit, um, but the fact that they are

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putting out specific scientific claims in their automatic writing is
really different, because nearly all of this is just kind
of spiritual in nature as opposed to yeah, it just
makes me think of like l Ron Hubbard and scientology.
I don't have this kind of like like full I
don't know if I want to call it a philosophy
or whatever, but I'm I'm very involved in the Tarot
communities and the witchy magical realm or whatever, and as

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soon as somebody tells me that they're the only person
that has contact with a specific alien, I run directions,
as you're the only one that has access to this
information and it's some you know, mystical being that only
talks to you. Okay, I'm out ahead and it's interesting.
You see what they're doing here. They're trying to make
it not seem like that by saying, well, there's a

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commission of people, but and eventually it's a few hundred,
but none of them talk directly to the subject. So
the subject will write a bunch of ships and they'll
present it to this big meeting of this forum of
folks and then people will like write up questions or
vote on questions to ask and they're just given another
sheet the next week, but none of them get to

(13:25):
see it get written. It's claimed to be this great
mystery how the writing gets to anyone. Like the pages
just appear the next morning and they say, like we
had people watching over him while he was sleeping and
then they turned their back for a second and there
were pages. You know, like it's never clear exactly where
the pages come from, but obviously nobody ever sees them, Um,
get written. So that's that's fine. Um, again like spoilers.

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But it's probably Sadler who's writing. Everyone was gonna say
it's fine because Sadler says it's okay. He's an expert here.
So yeah, Um, and yeah, you can see shades of
Helena Blovotsky here, right, because she's and I think that
that's probably who saddler is aping, because blovotsky again kind
of comes into prominence in the late eighteen hundreds as

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an anti spiritualist, like pushing a very different set of things.
So she doesn't believe that people are talking to the dead.
They're talking to spirits, and like these spirits are telling
people stories of this vaxed epic Spanning Racial History. Right,
Blovotsky has got these ancient masters who are remnants of
an underground super race who started civilization, whereas you can

(14:31):
kind of see what what saddler is doing as a
derivation of that. Right, because the people he's talking to
are these like alien kind of spirits who are basically
representatives of this Galactic Federation who are telling people, or
who are telling humans about like, uh, what's actually happening
in the universe and earth's place in it. Um, the

(14:53):
the aliens who are controlling the subject's body and doing
the automatic writing, are called midwayers. Uh, and yeah, they're
they're giving out all this sci fi ship. So, according
to the revelations given by the subject to the contact commission,
which are eventually bundled into a collection of writing called
the arantia papers, the center of the universe, Um is
a perfect well, the center of the multiverse, because this

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is a multiverse thing too, right, there's a bunch of Universes,
at the center of all the universes. The backstory of
Doctor Strange. Okay, yes, yes, very much so. So at
the center of all of the UNIVERSES is a perfect
universe called Hayvona, which is created by God to be
the eternal core of perfection. It's basically heaven, but heaven's
got like millions of worlds and trillions of people and

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it's like it's built to be perfect and it's always perfect.
And then all of the other universes outside of it
start out as chaotic and they're free and imperfect, and
so people can choose good or evil and each isn't like.
Each of these universes outside of Havona isn't created by God,
they're created by one of his sons. He has a
shipload of kids, like is fucking blasting out babies in

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this in this in this cosmology Um. And so the
goal of each of these universes is to gradually work
towards perfection and become as perfect as Havona. Um. In
order to achieve this, God lays out an intricate interstellar
bureaucracy between all the trillions of worlds and inhabited universes
and ex worlds are grouped into this category. And then

(16:22):
all of the different systems or this and then the
different galaxies, Yada, Yada, Yada. The multiverse is a big bureaucracy. Um.
The spirits go into detail about this, but it is
not interesting. Um. As a general rule, the way things
work is that life carriers seed each world with life
and then different children of God guide each world towards

(16:45):
perfection by sending light skinned, blue eyed aliens named Adam
and eve down to upstep the natives by breeding with them.
And lest they seem too area, and I should not
know that Adam and eve are also eight feet tall
and have shimmering bodies. Um, this is like an Anaki,
like the that's where this comes from, Annochi, big and

(17:09):
certain strains of q and on another kind of yeah, spiritual.
This is again. This is in the thirties, right, so
this is kind of precursor to all of that ship. Um. Now, unfortunately,
it's also includes a lot of eugenics, e ship, because again,
the idea is that you have these life created on
these planets and then Adam and Eve's are sent down,

(17:30):
which is like Adam and Eve is a job, right,
that certain perfect beings are given in order to upstep races.
So they go in and they're supposed to interbreed with
the natives enough that quote, inferior stocks will be eliminated
and there will be one purified race, one language and
one religion, according to Gardner's summary of things. Now, that's
what's supposed to happen, but things go wrong on our world,

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which is known as Urantia, right, we're earth is ARANTIA. Now,
Urantia is unique among the planets in the cosmos because
it develops life independently from the children of God, and
the Life Cedars are carriers. So the son of God
who was supposed to manage upstepping life on earth is Lucifer,
but he and his chief assistant, Satan, decided to rebel instead. Um,

(18:17):
they advocate for, quote, self assertion and Liberty for themselves
and the people on Arantia. And this is a bad thing, right.
This is framed as a bad thing. Satan, are two
different entities. There are two different entities and they are
they are fucking shipped up on our idea. Yeah, I'M
gonna quote next from the book ufo religions. Adam and Eve,
a son and daughter of the local system, arrived and

(18:38):
began the difficult task of attempting to untable the confused
affairs of a planet retarded by rebellion and resting under
the ban of spiritual isolation. According to the RANTIA papers,
Adam and Eve were too impatient with the mission and
wanted immediate results, but the results thus secured proved most
disastrous both to themselves and to their world. That is,
they failed to adhere to the mission God set out

(18:59):
for them. Now, all that's a little confusing, and parsing
language from the book of Rantia into regular people talk
can be a little difficult, so I'm going to read
a summary from a write up in inverse to clarify
what is supposed to have happened. Adam and Eve messed up. So,
having failed to achieve race harmonization by the edamic technique,
part two, the local universe section of the book tells us,

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you must now work out your planetary problem of race
improvement by other and largely human methods of adaptation and control.
In case there is any confusion as to what that means,
paper fifty one of the Rantia book says the inferior
and unfit are largely eliminated. It seems that you ought
to be able to agree upon the biologic disfellowshipping of

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your more markedly unfit, defective, degenerate and anti social stocks.
Weird because, like the Q and on, and like the
modern people that are like new age anti Semitic, they're
afraid of this. They're not, generally speaking, they're not. I mean,
I don't know, but from what I've seen of it,
they're not for this behavior. They're like trying to wake
up the people to the fact that this is what

(20:02):
the conspiracy is behind the scenes, the deep state or
whatever is actually doing. They are, although you might also
note that at kind of the same time they're, UM,
they're really paranoid about uh orright like. It might also
be worth noting that, like, at the same time they
are talking about like a purging of certain types of

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people from the planet, right like. That's always a major factor.
I don't know, Um, interesting stuff, but yeah, that's that's UH.
And it's also kind of worth noting that the term disfellowshipping,
which is in the Rantia book, that's what it calls
like the elimination of specific races, the biologic disfellowshipping. When
you get kicked out of the seventh day adventist church,

(20:45):
that's called disfellowshipping right. It's a very specific term that
they use. The fellowship I'm familiar. So it's interesting again
in terms of evidence, that it's Saddler who wrote this.
These aliens write a lot like former seventh adventists. Yeah,
it's it's it's really interesting to see how much of
like this lore was built in the late eighteen hundreds

(21:07):
to the early nine and the echoes are h still
impacting us today in like the new age communities and
stuff like. People are still echoing a lot of these
beliefs as fact and it's like these people this like
little intricate whatever the word, the phrase was, the incestuous
family unit or created all of this and then still,

(21:28):
a hundred years later, like it's still echoing throughout as fact. Yeah,
it's awesome and it's also cool that, like again you
can see these aliens, which are supposedly like enlightened galactic beings,
write an awful lot like a former seventh day adventist
who superindo eugenics. Like, weirdly they seem to be that

(21:50):
kind of they seem a lot like William Sadler. I
was gonna say they probably just cluded on Sadler because
they're like, hey, he gets us, yeah, he gets us. Well,
that's what so they will later in the book that
comes out of us. Will later claim that, like Sadler's
whole life was manipulated by these aliens to prepare him
for their revelations. So, like that's why he became and
then left the seventh day adventist faith and got into eugenics,

(22:12):
as they were, they were guiding him to being ready
to be like a vessel for this stuff. But you
know who else is a vessel for eugenics? The products
and services that support this podcast, Sophie and I are
entirely sponsored by big eugenics. So I would like to
be excluded from this narrative. That's too bad, Sophie. I

(22:32):
refuse to disfellowship you. You know, part of me is
like all. But then you just accused me of eugenics.
So No, just of being spawnsored, Sophie, of being sponsored
by eugenics. No, I'm good. The thanks so hard. Pass
on the sponsored by eugenics platform that you're standing on, Sophie.

(22:58):
Look whom, Stamonga is not sponsored by the concept of Eugenics?
That's what I had to ask. Well, not anymore. We're
back and we're talking about our sponsors. Big Eugenics, big EUGENICS,

(23:19):
let's give why not? Huh? That's the that's their mode.
Why not? Huh? It's a good time. Okay, well, that's
one opinion. Anyway. You might have noted from that last
bit that, while most of the revelations we've talked about
seemed to be like a harmless sci fi cookie shit,
a lot of it kind of sounds like a genocidal

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rant about purging the world of like inferior races, like
stuff that you could fit into Nazi propaganda pretty easily.
And again, this is because it's all written by Dr
William Sadler. Part of why we know this is that, Duh.
Part of why we know this is that people who
have analyzed the book since after its publication note that
large segments of it are plagiarized almost word for word
from other books, including his books about eugenics. Very big brain. Yeah, well,

(24:07):
he didn't assume anyone would ever have like find and
replace in a in a Um. So yeah, it's cool.
The whole thing is basically a mix of his like
adventist beliefs, his eugenicist beliefs in like pop psychology of
the day, sandwiched between like weird pseudo Christian and like
alien stuff. I'M gonna quote from inverse again. Starting around

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five thousand years ago, six colored races appeared on Orantia red, orange, yellow, green,
blue and indigo. The earlier races are somewhat superior to
the later, again because they're close to Adam and eve.
The Red Man stands far ablow above the indigo or
black race, says paper fifty one of the Orantia book,
and each succeeding evolutionary manifestation of a distinct group of

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mortals represents variation at the expense of the original endowment. Furthermore,
the Yellow Ray usually enslaves the green while the blue man,
which corresponds to Caucasians, subdues the indigo or black. So
the ORANTIA book does not limit its racism to oblique references,
uh quote. In fact, pertext, evil in the form of

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illness and disease exists because unfit people's like Australian natives
and the Bushman and pygmies of Africa. These miserable remnants
of the Non Social Peoples of ancient times haven't been eliminated.
Eugenics is the way to correct this error. So that's
the RANTIA book saying that, like, basically indigenous people and
Africans need to be eliminated. They were supposed to be

(25:36):
eliminated by Satan and Lucifer, but in their rebellions, Satan
and Lucifer and Adam and Eve didn't didn't do this.
So we have, so we have to now, right. That's
what Eugenics is necessary because earth isn't following interstellar law.
But maybe it shouldn't, like I'm sitting here thinking about it,
maybe Satan and Lucifer are right. Like the indigenous people

(25:56):
of like Australia and Africa and wherever else, we're living
in harmony with nature and as soon as it's like colonized,
we start overproducing things and, you know, destroying the land
and everything. So it sounds like these aliens are probably
a pretty bad influence on on earth. It's yeah, it
sounds like Satan and Lucifer may have may have had
things right. Anti colonial kings, say the devil and his

(26:22):
friend Satan Um, which is cool. I do also like
that in this cosmology, Jesus, who also exists and as
a son of God is a brother of Lucifer, which
is fun. And then like Satan's just like a guy
that Lucifer works with, Um, but yeah, Satan and Lucifer again,
pretty pretty based. Um. So the book goes on to

(26:45):
note biologic renovation of the racial stocks, the selective elimination
of inferior human strains, will tend to eradicate many mortal inequalities.
So basically all of our social inequality is caused by
the fact that we haven't genocide it enough people. Good.
That's uh, all right, we gotta honestly, it's a strong
backing for a crazy sci fi novel where the main

(27:07):
character is trying to overthrow all of this ship. It
would be right. You can actually make a pretty cool
story about this where you find out that, like, there's
this giant intergalactic government, but they're all basically Nazis and
the devil's Real, but he's a good guy who didn't
want to wipe out like. Um. Yeah, anyway, it's it's
it's cool stuff. Um. Now I should also note here

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that Jesus is just a huge part of the RANTIA book.
There's a whole chunk of it called the Jesus papers.
Now Jesus is a son of God, right, but he's
not the son of God because, again, God, and this
is like he's like Elon Musk's dad, right, he's just
like fucking ship kids out everywhere. Yeah, he is. He
is spewing children over the multiverse. To be specific, Jesus

(27:53):
is one of seven hundred thousand Creator sons that got
ejaculated out into the universe. So, like, he's not very special.
At no seven kids, you wouldn't even remember their birthdays. Um,
you have thousands of kids die and it wouldn't mean
ship to you. So, as best as I can tell,
Jesus in this book is a wise alien who came

(28:14):
to Earth to correct the errors that Satan and Lucifer introduced,
those errors being don't genocide indigenous people and black people.
So Jesus is kind of a Nazi in this Um
and he also has a pretty different backstory. And to
give that backstory I'm going to quote again from the
Book God talk by our Buddy the gooch. Quote the

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final section containing the Jesus papers, the most accessible part
of the book, gives a day by day account of
all incidents left out of the New Testament concerning Jesus Christ.
We learned that when Jesus was fourteen, his father died
from a Derek collapsing on him, that Jesus visited a
university in Athens where he thoroughly discussed the teachings of Plato,
that he toured must much of the Roman world with

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two natives of India, go not and Gann it, that
his in the tomb was speeded forward to complete disintegration,
while he appeared again and what was actually a reconstituted
spiritual body. Along the way, a few the Christian theological,
a few Keith Christian theological doctrines are handily abandoned. The
fall of man, the Virgin Birth, atonement, bodily resurrection. One

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problem in understanding the book comes with its Dizzying Roll
Call of other worldly officials go between functionaries, angels, near
dear near Deities, spirits, bodies, planets, galaxies, stars, transport vehicles
and communication devices, somehow linking together the various worlds separated
by time, space and moral distance, and an updated version
of the medieval chain of being to complicate matters, this

(29:39):
cast of characters and locals are often given neologisms for
their names and titles. The terms derived from a strange
etymology that results in a kind of Indo European news speak,
Calaghastia Orantia Nebadn Oravontan Morontia, each of the papers as
its own presenter, identified by such theatrical names as brilliant
evening star, my any messenger, vorondetic son or Malavata Melich's neck.

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The effect is of an exotic linguistic tissue laid over
a nuts and bolts grit, and it's all like it's
kind of unreadable. You have to kind of read translations
of it from other people, because if you're not reading
from page one, like all of these different names and aliens,
it's just fucking nonsense. That's what we're not doing. A
ton of different quotes from it, but this is a
very poorly applied creative writing talent. Yes, this is somebody

(30:31):
who should have been like l Ron Hubbard, submitting short
stories to Shitty SCI FI magazine, but instead, for and
this is going on for like twenty something years, they're
they're submitting. You've got this forum and you've got this
commission who are like submitting questions to the mighty Melich's
neck or whatever. Then Melches Melcheseck or something, all these

(30:53):
fucking ridiculous space aliens who are like coming back with
answers and they're gradually building this collection of papers. And Yeah,
if what saddler and his followers say happened can be trusted,
which it can't, what's going on is that they're sleeping
source of right ship. The council will come back with
more questions, Um, and these will get like and it's

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never exactly clear how the answers get written out or
how the questions get delivered to the aliens. They're very
coy about the process. Um. But in nineteen twenty three
the saddlers and the Kellogg's establish a forum, uh, to
discuss the papers and propose better questions. I'M gonna quote
from the Book Ufo Religions again here. In late nineteen five,

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the form became a closed group, with members signing a
pledge of secrecy. The pledge read as follows. We acknowledge
our pledge of secrecy, renewing our promise not to discuss
the rantia revelations or their subject matter with anyone save
active forum members and to take no notes of such
matter as is read or discussed at the public sessions
or make copies or notes of what we personally read.

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The forum held its last meeting in nineteen forty two.
The ORANTIA book was published in Nineteen Five, and shortly
after the publication of the RANTIA book, a final message
from the MIDWARS was received by the contact commission. You
are now on your own. After nearly fifty years, the
connection between the mortals of our planet and the Unseen
Midway Commission was severed and went dead. So that's that's

(32:17):
the story of how the papers get transmitted right. It's
all that. It's all taking place throughout his lifetime and
it's wrapping up when he's reaching older age. He's getting old,
is when it wraps up. Yeah, uh, and yeah, the
forum eventually has, like there's about four hundred people involved
in this overall thing, while the contact commissions against five

(32:38):
or six people and they're all saddlers and Kellogg's Um.
For years, the forum members were the only people who
are allowed to read the papers. They had like a
library that was operated by one of Kellogg's sons, who
is also the guy that people believe is the person
being channeled Um, and people could like check out papers,
but they couldn't take them away from the premises. So

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that's the the way people are reading this for like
thirty years, twenty or thirty years. Uh. William's wife, Lena
was adamant that the papers had to be published, though.
So she's a big advocate of like we have to
put these together in a book and distribute them to
the masses. So she starts collecting money to fund to
printing and has raised twenty dollars when she dies in
nineteen thirty nine. When Lena falls out of the picture,

(33:21):
the forum falls to in fighting. It seems like she
was kind of the primary thing keeping this organized, and
after that they start to be big personality conflicts. The
chief instigator is an author named Harold Sherman. He's a
sci Fi writer whose nineteen seventy six book the green
man is the origin for the phrase little green men
from Mars. It's that guy. So he kind of goes

(33:42):
to war with Dr Sadler over control of the papers
and in ninety two he alleges that Sadler has been
tampering with the original transcripts by the midwys and altering things. Um,
getting called out. Let's go. Yeah, yeah, it's like a weird,
weird little, weird little fire within the cult, and I'm
gonna quote again from God talk. Sherman then exchanged a

(34:04):
series of disgruntled letters with another disillusioned former associate of
saddler's um former associate of Saddlers, Harry Jacob Luce, a
Chicago police officer and self proclaimed psychic, who felt that
something snapped in Dr Sadler at his wife's death. He
characterized Sadler is a power mad SVENGALI. The truth is
that Sadler is mentally unsound, loose, wrote to Sherman, a

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Paranoiac with a Religio power complex, feverishly grasping for greater
jurisdiction over the mentalities of the many Oh that Dr
Lena had lived. How different developments would have been today?
Sadler has the usual evidence of long tat latent and
those of later years aroused mental sadism, which is just
as definite and fully recognized a condition as physical sadism.

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So that's what people who are in this forum claim,
right and again. None of these papers are out for
other people. Yet this is purely just like a fight
between these weirdos. The girls are fighting. Oh, no, whatever,
is the truth of this? Like conflict within the forum
saddler winds and after twelve years of editing, from like
nineteen forty two, which is the last transmission, to nineteen

(35:09):
fifty five, they're just editing the papers together. He manages
to raise the last eighty thousand dollars needed to print
a first edition of the ORANTIA book on October Twelfth
Nineteen Fifty Five. It is published by the R R
Donnelly and sons company in Indianapolis. An organization, the Rantia Foundation,
had been established to distribute the book. That mailed off

(35:30):
copies to cultural leaders they thought might be sympathetic. Edward
R Murrow, Aldous Huxley and Eleanor Roosevelt All received copies.
Nobody read it. Um like interesting, don't worry none. Look,
you get a two thousand page book called the Rantia
Book About Space, aliens and the mail. I mean, I
actually would read that. I know it's like, is it

(35:51):
bad that I kind of want to copy? I'm just
morbidly curious. It is. It is available. Here's one of
the fun things. It is available for Free Online. The
RANTIA foundation tried to keep a copyright, but somebody put
it up digitally back in like the nineties, and then
there was a lawsuit over it and the people who
were putting it up online argued successfully in court that, like, Hey,

(36:13):
they're claiming this is written by aliens, so they can't
have a copyright for it. Yeah, this is like, Oh
my God, okayright, yeah, this isn't their book. It's written
by aliens. Why do they have a copy? which is awesome.
That fucking rules. It's my favorite part of this story that, like,
they successfully argue in court. Look, man, if aliens wrote

(36:34):
this ship, they can't be the ones who hold the copyrights. Um.
Dr Sadler actually survived fourteen years after the book's publication.
This guy lives for fucking ever. Um, he lives long
enough to see his son and grandson die, to see
Kellogg's turn into a sugary breakfast cereal that makes people come,

(36:54):
probably if I understand Dr Kellogg's science properly. Um. And Yeah,
he ends to see like his publishing career fall apart.
You know, people stop accepting his books. Um, but he
seems to be good at the end. His last words
are the world is very this world is very real,
but the next one is much more real which is

(37:15):
in line with the philosophy outline in the RANTIA book,
which we're not going to get into in detail because
it's silly. What matters is that Dr Sadler dies right
on the cusp of the age that was turned his
book into an underground hit, and we're going to talk
about that next. But you know what else is an
underground hit? Tie? What else is an underground hit? The
products and services that support this podcast. They're underground because

(37:39):
they're all illegal. You know, every one of our products
is smuggled into your town and or city by Burt
Reynolds in a trans am, just just inches ahead of
the evil sheriff Buford t justice. Oh we're back. So

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nineteen sixty nine, the year Dr Sadler dies, is also
obviously nineteen sixty nine, right. It's like the year that, like,
the fucking New Age movement explodes. Hippies are all over
the place, there's all these seekers interested Manson time, Charles
Manson time, woodstock is huge explosion and interest in like Yoga, spiritualism,

(38:25):
alternative religion, Buddhism, all of this stuff bursts in nineteen
sixty nine Um. And Yeah, the fact that the RANTIA book,
which is filled with aliens but also like Jesus, is
kind of like perfectly suited because again, the new age
types here, they're not willing to go that far out
of the box as they've been raised in. So if
you're both talking about like aliens and eastern religion, but

(38:46):
also you're throwing Jesus in there, that's going to appeal
to an awful lot of hippies. Right. The same year
Dr Sadler dies, a young man named Mo Seagel is
living in Boulder, Colorado and serving Asian herbal tea to
customers and a small shop that he had started. His
business was completely novel to Americans and to Westerners in general.

(39:07):
All mass market tea in the United States and Great
Britain at this point was made from the actual tea plant,
Camillius Senesis, and thus packaged packed a heavy wallop of caffeine. Right,
tea is actually tea. At that point, herbal tea is
not tea and that it does not contain the tea plant. Right,
it's made up of basically any other plant. Right. But
you can't buy herbal tea at that point. Obviously, indigenous

(39:30):
people had a number of different herbal teas. The concept
has existed, but nobody sells it. You can't go to
a store and purchase an herbal tea. In nineteen sixty nine,
most seagel is the first guy who starts this as
a business. Um So, herbal ty obviously is an ancient concept,
but from a capitalist point of view it's entirely new.
The same year that most starts his business, he happens

(39:52):
across a copy of the arountia book in a shop
near his house. He later wrote quote I thought it
was just the goofiest thing I'd ever read. At to
read it, I was not concerned about who had written
it or how it had been written because it was
so powerful. So he like starts reading this is just
like wow, look at this fucking ridiculous thing, and then
becomes deeply pilled, I guess you say, hopefully coersive reading

(40:13):
into it. Um So, he's just kind of been selling
a handful of teas at a tiny shop, but he
he after reading this book, gets convinced that he needs
to do something bigger. So he takes a group of
his friends, who are all big fans of the RANTIA book,
and they start hiking in the rockies and picking dozens
of pounds of herbal tea at a time and mixing
them together into hands owned bags and selling them, initially

(40:35):
at local stores and then all across Colorado. The business
takes off very quickly, and MOE claims that his desire
to expand a nationwide is fueled by his interest in
the RANTIA book. Quote. After studying the teachings in the
ORANTIA book, I knew that I would feel selfish and
wasteful to simply focus on material success. So, as a
young man, when I began thinking about what I could

(40:56):
do to make a living, I have innch, I immediately
turned to the health food industry. So that's what leads
Mo and his fellow flower children to turn their tea
company into a real business. In honor of the celestial
beings who had dictated the book they held so dear,
they named it celestial seasonings. Now you'll hear a couple
of different claims. They also say it's the name of

(41:17):
like based on the flower name of one of the
people who founded it, but there's debate about this. Uh.
In short order, though, their sleepy time tea has become
the number one best selling tea in the United States
and is today the number one best selling specialty t
of all time worldwide. Um each bag includes an inspirational
message written on the tag, which initially were direct quotes

(41:39):
from the Rante a book. For whatever reason, they tended
to avoid the verses about eugenics and racial inferior at
Crescent Celestial seasonings is the number one team manufacturer in
the United States. Its products makes more than a hundred
million dollars a year. Mo continued to lead the company
from nineteen sixty nine up through a merger with craft,

(42:02):
a corporate buy back and its eventual acquisition by the
Haines celestial group. Along the way, Mo never forgot his roots,
by which I mean doctor saddlers space genocide book, from
a write up seagull made on the Rantia Book Fellowship
website quote, and this is the founder of celestial seasonings.
Illness and disease results from evil and cause suffering. Unfortunately,

(42:25):
several factors hinder progress towards the development of the disease
free world. The Laws of genetics are immutable and form
the physical cornerstone of evolution. At the present time, mankind
loses about as much progress as it makes by ignoring eugenics,
implying that we need to do eugenics. Yeah, yeah, we've
gotta be doing more eugenic because we can't get rid
of disease. The goal of the human race is to

(42:46):
get rid of disease, which is why am is a
big advocate of natural foods. Right. Natural Foods are healthier,
they keep you from getting disease, but we can't eliminate
disease until we eliminate certain kinds of people. That's in
same yeah, we have to stop people who are differently
able or whatever from breeding and we have to stop
certain races from breeding in order to stop disease. That's

(43:09):
the founder of sleepy time tea and that's like the
problem with people that are like dipping their toes into
the new age movement right now is they'll immediately be
introduced to some of these concepts that, on the surface,
don't seem like they're founded in Eugenics and ship like that.
But once you just start like peeling the layer back,
it's right there and it's unavoidable and then you're like

(43:29):
what do I do? Like, yeah, it's it's very funny. Um,
it's not funny. You can't say if you're if you
go to bed sipping a sleepy time tea, you can think.
You know if you're if you use a wheelchair, if
your vision isn't perfect, if you're not a white nordic,
for example, if you're one of the dreaded Alpine race.

(43:51):
The guy you sit before bed doesn't want your round
head to be breeding. Um. So that's cool. Probably wouldn't
have guessed that when you woke up this morning you
would apparently heard this die. I. So I do. Um,
I do like a podcast called Celestial cafe actually, but
it's with a couple of my we deep dive into

(44:12):
like witchy, you know, Tarot, like Ac cult stuff and uh,
we we start every episode talking about what drinks were drinking.
So we all frequently are drinking teas and things like that,
and celestial seasonings has been a topic of conversation amongst
the four of us because it's literally one step back
into the direction of that appealing back the layer and
we're like hold up, now we have a second and

(44:35):
that's why all of the teas on my shelf, I
stopped buying celestial seasonings after that. Well good, Um, it
is tasty, but yeah, it's you might be willing to,
you might be able to keep buying it after this.
So we'll talk about that a little at the end.
So I will say too. I guess his credit, Mo
never tried to hide the importance of the ARANTIA book

(44:58):
to sleepy time tea or it's an fluence in his life.
Nor did he try to hide the fact that he
was a eugenicist like he's. He's not coy about this,
he's not ashamed, he's proud. Nobody really notices until which
is really weird. But that's not on Mo. He's very
open about this. He authors several texts explaining the RANTIA
book and boiling down its teachings, and he repeatedly credits

(45:20):
the book with providing the moral companies the compass that
he and his co workers started their company on. Quote.
I had wanted bold, I found bold. I wanted spiritual
adventure and I was on the right of my life.
I was searching for Truth and the book was loaded
with it. And there's no doubt that one of the
truth's animating celestial seasonings and most Seagel was the need
to purge a large amount of the human population through

(45:42):
controlled breeding. And I'M gonna quote now from a write
up by Megan Giller, and Megan Giller is the reason
why people know this story. She writes an article for
a now defunct website in two thousand fifteen, which is
then republished more recently by inverse. It's Megan Giller who
actually again, this was all out there for people to find.
Megan is the first person and she's like a food

(46:02):
journalist who like realizes, like why isn't anyone talking about this?
This is nuts, what the fuck um? So credit to
Megan broke this UM quote. The fellowship is putting its
money where its mouth is too. In a two thousand
ten email sent to readers with advanced information and forward
looking perspectives that are not suited for being posted on

(46:23):
the website, a follower named Martin Greenhood writes that the
trustees have continuvened a panel on eugenics. He names all
of the panel members, the most striking of which is
Kerman Anderson, who at the time was the genetic screening
program director at Kaiser Permanente in California and the author
of much genetics research. So again, members of the Rantia Foundation,

(46:43):
like people who are inspired by this book about Alien
Eugenics are like in two thousand and ten include people
who are doing genetic screening at Kaiser Permanente, directing programs,
and they're like convening fucking panels and God knows, like
some amount of sleepy time team money is funding because
most Siegel is the president of the Orantia Foundation for

(47:04):
a large chunk of the time that he is running
celestial seasonings. You know, like they are not entirely separate.
So there is a period at which celestial seasonings is
to some extent aiding and funding the fucking Rantia Foundation,
directly or indirectly. That's a little unclear. It's not like
the company is directly handing money to them, but anyway,

(47:27):
um or at least we don't know that they were.
Now I should note for the purposes of accuracy and
not getting sued, most Siegel is no longer directly involved
with celestial seasonings. He's stole on the Board for the
RANTIA Foundation. He retires from the company in two thousand two.
His Co founder and fellow Ranti and John Hay Quentin
nineteen five because he was offended by Siegel's desire to

(47:49):
become like Coca Cola in the words of one colleague. Um,
and in two thousand seagulls sells the company to Haines
Celestial Group, whose name is actually a coincidence. It seems.
Haine is basically the company that invinced the natural health
food is a product category, and that's who runs it now. Um,
there's a couple of shady things about hayine. Broadly speaking,

(48:10):
they seem to be in a better company than most
within sort of the food industry. Um, you know, they
they have a great rating from how good, Um, in
terms of social and environmental impact. There have been a
couple of scandals, none of which, you're super related to
the RANTIA foundation stuff. So it's worth up until like

(48:30):
two thousand two, you might view kind of celestial seasonings
is sort of like the eugenics version of Chick Fil A. Now,
probably not like it's unclear. Obviously I suspect that fucking seagull,
who's still around, has stock in the in the company,
and so probably because he's a big funder of the

(48:51):
fucking foundation, you could argue that some amount of the
money that celestial seasonings makes could go to the foundation,
but there's not a direct connection anymore. They're they're pretty
much corporate and obviously I don't think Haines's celestial group
is funding the rantia foundation or anything like that. So
you are probably safe buying sleepy time tea today, but

(49:13):
this is where it comes from and it's it's again
like all I all I'm thinking about listening to these
stories is these companies were able to be so loved,
I guess, by the people at the time, like back
in the early nineteen hundreds, mid nineteen hundreds, that they
are now titans in our food industry, like Kellogg's is

(49:33):
still a titan here and it could never have grown
that large if it weren't so widely supported in the
beginning and when they were a lot more overt with
their eugenicist beliefs and stuff. That means that it was
also a reflection of society, like much more deeply at
the time, and it's just really disheartening. Yeah, it's interesting because, like,
I think it got kind often. I think most people

(49:56):
who would have been aware of this to some extent
the Ranti book would have just been like, oh, it's
a weird book about space aliens and then kind of
that that's that's it. I I think it probably was
not noticed by most people that like there's genocide ship
in here. Yeah, Um, and again, I don't I should honestly,
to be entirely honest, if you are a sleepy time

(50:17):
tea consumer, I don't believe any of your money is
going to help this anymore. Nobody really cares about the
RANTIA book. They are not certainly not doing what chick
fil a is doing right, like, which is actively contributing
to direct harm. This is more just like in that
weird your favorite tea comes from eugenics. Um, Wacky, Huh.
It does, just make it have a sour taste to me.

(50:39):
I'm just like there's so many other like Indie t
companies I could be supporting or like smaller. Sure, sure,
and that's that's perfectly reasonable. I don't want to do
like people have so many find so many reasons these
days to be like. Oh, another thing I love is
like fucked up. Yeah, there's a fund up history here.
It's fine, right, like, you're not. If you have you
don't go. You don't have to go throwing out your
sleepy time tea. If it helps you go to sleep,

(51:01):
you are it is not aiding at abetting eugenics at
this point to consume sleepy time teath. I just I
think it's a fun story right, like it is. It
is kind of like fucking wild right that this is
just like. Well, it also makes you wonder how many
other just things in your cabinet have weird fucking backstories
that you've never dug into. Yeah, exactly, like that's that's it.

(51:23):
It's one of those. I read this great article by Megan,
Oh Gosh, what's her Megan Giller Um, who again gets
the credit for breaking the part of the story that
it's connected to celestial seasonings, and I wanted to do
that story. But there's not really a lot to say.
Most SEAGEL definitely sucks. He's like an example of the
kind of Hippie we don't talk about enough, which is

(51:43):
like hippies that are super racist and bigoted and like
believed terrible things about the world, which he does, because
he writes about eugenics and that's fucked up Um. But
at the end of the day he made like herbal
tea popular, which is not terrible and I don't think
I can't really see how like, I don't know, there
probably is if someone were to do more research, like

(52:05):
the fact that that fucking Kaiser Permanente, director of genetic research,
is an Irantean and in part of their eugenetics commission.
That someone should look into that more. That does deserve investigation.
Maybe there's a worse story here, but as I looked
into it I came to be like, Oh, the story
here is about Dr William Sadler. This like piece of

(52:25):
ship trend following eugenicist and like it's just it's interesting
to me how this all came together. Um, so there's
another piece of like good old fashioned American occult history
for you. Beautiful, delicious no number. I hope you all
found it delicious. Slip it on up, suck it down,

(52:48):
lick a look at good by the Rantea tea bag.
Get Yeah, as we always say at the end of episodes,
get tea bag, Sophie. Are we still sponsored by the
concept of getting tea bagged? We're not. We're not being sponsored. Okay,
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