We Continued Reading Ben Shapiro's Terrible Racist Novel

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Speaker 1 (00:02):
There comes a time in the life of every podcaster
when he has to introduce the show that he's doing,
and this is that moment for me. Robert Evans, host
of Behind the Bastards, the podcast where we talk about
terrible people. Normally, this is a show where we give
it a tail history of an awful person's life. But
today we're doing something special. Today, due to the massive,

(00:24):
outrageous clamoring popular demand, we are continuing with our investigation
into True Allegiance, the fictional novel debut of one Benethan Shapiro.
Here with me today to talk about this this opus
are my co hosts, Cody Johnston and Katie Stole. Hello everybody,

(00:47):
how are you doing to that? Hello? Hello, thrilled to
everybody out there in radio. I took a more serious
tact with the intro because I think it's important to
really he set the tone of the gravity that that
this book demands from the reader. Oh yeah, we're serious
people delving into a very serious book by a very

(01:10):
serious person. You've covered a lot of serious, serious bad
guys in your time on the show, but I don't
think there's anything more serious than what we're about to
embark on. No, no, and I think that, Uh, you know,
I've I've read a lot of books about human conflict
and war. You know, books by people like Kurt Vonneguet,

(01:32):
who would would what what experience did Kurt Vonnegut have
to write about any of this stuff? He survived a
bombing or something. Ben Shapiro is the man that I
want to hear talk about the serious issues because I
know when Ben talks about, for example, the war in
Afghanistan or the crack trade in Detroit, Michigan, that he
is writing from a position of deep personal understanding and

(01:57):
authority exactly exactly and empathy and empathy. Yeah, he Uh,
He's had a lot of harrowing experiences getting ratioed online.
So he has a lot of getting ratioed online was
his Afghanistan And Afghanistan was the war that he suggested
people killed children in. Uh. He did that when he

(02:19):
was eighteen. Someone let him write write a fucking column
where he said, why do we care about civilian casualties
in Afghanistan? So I'm very excited to see where this
book goes. I love precocious kids. Yeah, they say the
wildest thing we talked. I think a tiny bit about Lavan,
who is the one of the two villains. The two
villains of the of the of Ben Shapiro's book are

(02:41):
the president who wants everybody to have a job and uh,
and that makes the president of Nazi. And then of
course there's Levi on Um who is uh the black
character and is also of course a crack trading gang dealer.
Um oh, wait is um is the president in this
not black? No? No, he's not. No. That would have

(03:02):
been two on the sneaky seat with fiction, Cody. You
gotta separate some things. So you have a black president
who you don't like and trust, you separate him into
a white president you don't like and trust and a
crack dealer in Detroit. Yeah, the duality of man. It's
basic storytelling rules, classic storytelling rules, Chekhov's racism. Okay, so um,

(03:30):
now we open. I noted that Levan's chapter first chapter
opens up with Detroit was a ship hole, but it
was his ship hole. So you know that right away.
You're coming from the perspective of somebody who understands the
place he's talking about. Don't like the Detroit shade is
gonna put it out there, don't like it now, of course,
Levan's neighborhood includes eight Mile Road because Ben Shapiro saw

(03:53):
the movie eight Mile and literally the only thing he
knows about Detroit is that it includes eight Mile Road,
and it is the not have as much money as
other places. Great soundtrack. Oh, I'm do you think he
has memorized all the words to lose yourself? Yes? Yes,
does it in the mirror? Yeah, that's Ben Shapiro has.

(04:15):
Like when he I can imagine him getting up in
the morning and like drinking a bunch of raw eggs,
and like putting on like a hoodie, a sleeveless hoodie,
and like going out to hit a boxing bag. Is
like that song starts to really pump and then he
punches it once and he starts crying because he's hurt
his little fist. Well, I see it punching it and
it swings back and hits him. But you're right, maybe

(04:37):
both things happen one of the two. So yeah. Quote
from Benny. The stores dotting at Mile Road itself formed
a steady depressing pattern. Liquor store, auto part store, burned out,
hulk boarded up shop, hair salon, repeat, adfinitum. Every once
in a while and Otto Lot broke up the monotony,
or perhaps a music store, but that was about it.
What idiot would open up in one of the least

(04:58):
police streets in America, leve On would. And of course
the shop he's opened up sells crack. Um. Yeah, oh,
it sells crap. That's where you don't get your crack
is us. It's a barbershop where mostly filled with older
black men. Uh barbershop, you say, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah.
And then the back room is where he sells crack.

(05:20):
I'm just waiting for like him to like I have
expected when he's saying, like, I'm from Detroit, I live
in Harlem, in Compton, in Detroit. Yes, he's just like like,
yes he lives. He lives in the neighborhood of yeah, Compton, Detroit. Yeah,
Jesus Ben Okay. So there's a little line here about

(05:42):
since he and he live on and his crew shuttle
crack cocaine that drugged gout out of style. In the
mid nineties things to the federal crackdown on crack dealers,
Black politicians had been the biggest advocates of putting crack
dealers on a different footing than powder cocaine dealers at
the time, nobody wanted to deal crack anymore, but Levon
care due to a select population. So number one, that's
actually just just not true. The evidence suggests that a

(06:04):
lot of white people stopped doing crack so much is
that crack is really really toxic on your body, And
younger people watched what it did too older people, to
people who were older than them, to their older brothers
and stuff, and we're like, nah, I don't want that, uh,
because that's has more of an impact that just throwing
people in prison. But I I don't expect Ben to
have that take on things, so I did. Yeah, We're

(06:28):
about a page and a half into the Bonds chapter
when Ben describes how big Levan is. It's six ft
three and two pounds of shredded muscle. Levon cut an
imposing figure. Walking into other stores on the block, they
immediately when quiet when he came in. When he told
them he'd graduated from the U of M, they got
even quieter. This kid was brutal and smart. They knew, Um,

(06:51):
I'm just that's excellent. That's excellent. Then I'm I'm reminded
of um. Weirdly, the word articulate for some reason comes
to Yeah, oh boy, here's Al Sharpton. Um, not Al Sharpton,
he's the Reverend Jim Crawford, but he's Al Sharpton. Yeah God,
come on man, Yeah, yeah, he's in he's in Levin's barbershop.

(07:14):
Um to talk to him about a deal. Um yeah, okay.
So he meets with this Al Sharpton character, and it's
clear that like the Al Sharpton character wants to partner
with him on some sort of complicated and cunning political
scheme because of course that's what um, all of the
black leaders in America have secret connections to crack dealers, um,

(07:35):
and and want to work with them on. Yeah. Uh.
And then we get to a really a real fun
moment here. So leave on and this guy are talking,
and leave on. Quote Shakespeare. He says there is nothing
either good or bad, but thinking makes it so. And
of course, uh at the Al Sharpton standing doesn't recognize
this quote, and so leave on. The educated, brutal guy says,

(07:55):
it's Shakespeare. It means you'll learn to trust me. And
then the al sharp and guy laughs and says, quit
quoting or quoting dead honkeys. You'll be useful yet. Yeah,
so that's good. I think it's good too. Yeah, that's fun. Um,
I was just listening and not Ben's white, so it's

(08:17):
okay for him to write the word honky. Yeah. And
I'm I'm not sure if this is bad formatting or
just Ben is bad at writing a book. But in
the chapter that is le chap. Yeah, so this is
Levan's chapter, right, And what you do if you're writing
a book where every chapter takes the perspective of a
different character, you expect that each of those chapters will
be about a different like from the perspective of that character.

(08:40):
But midway through this chapter, actually right after the line
quoting dead honkys, you might be useful yet we switch
perspective without switching chapters to a completely different character. A
local cop named Ricky O'Sullivan. Yeah, that's cool. That's bad
writing and bad formatting. Yeah. Yeah. So he's hanging out
at an abandoned packard plant that looks like something out

(09:03):
of Mad Max. Uh been Been describes it um, which
is a known drug hangout, So that's why uh he's
he's hanging out there as a cop, and I think
he's about to shoot a black kid, that's the feeling
I get. Um. Yeah, he gets a ten thirty one
in progress sign uh and he rolls over. Grass had

(09:25):
pushed its way through the cement of the lot. Graffiti
marked the station, illiterate bubble letters. Oh. Sullivan had given
up on trying to decode that ship long ago. And
the lights on the street flickered eerily. So he gets
into this scary situation. He shows up for a call,
and then some kid called says, hey, Pig. The voice
wasn't deep. It was the voice of a child. And
the kid stood outside the door of the quick mart
leg spread arms hanging down by his sides, a cute

(09:47):
black kid wearing a Simpsons T shirt and somebody's old
Converse sneakers and baggy jeans on his hips. Stuck in
those baggy jeans was a pistol. It looked like a
pistol anyway, but A Sullivan couldn't see clearly. The light
wasn't right. He could see the bulge, but not the object.
A Sullivan put his flashlight back on his belt and
put his hand on his pistol, the greasy handles still
warm to the touch. Stop right there, pig, the kid
said his hand began to creep down towards his waistband a.

(10:10):
Sullivan pulled the gun out of his holster, leveling it
at the kid. Put your hands above your head, do
it now, fuck you, honky. The kids shot back, Get
the funk out of my neighbor. Boy. Yeah, I feel
like Ben really has his finger on the pulse on
you know how black people speak. Yeah, So this goes on,

(10:34):
and the kid says, you ain't gonna shoot me, pig,
and the cop, who's clearly a nice guy, does everything
he possibly can to try to avoid Oh jesus um,
just like how that works in real life. This is
a depiction of how how it happens. Yeah. In the
retraining sessions at the station, they told officers to remember
the nash nasty racial history legacy of the department, be

(10:56):
aware of the community's justified suspicion of police. Right now,
all Sullivan was thinking about was getting this kid with
the empty eyes to back the funk off. The empty eyes,
empty eyes, Oh my god, empty eyed kid. Yeah, and
this is like, this is an eight year old Oh
my god, Ben, No, oh no, oh god. I turned

(11:18):
the page. Okay, I'm gonna read for a spell. Here y'all. Suddenly,
Oh Sullivan's head filled with sudden clarity, his brain with
a pretter natural energy. He recognized the feel of the
adrenaline hitting. He was going to get He wasn't. He
wasn't going to get shot on the corner of Iowa
and Van Dyke, outside a shitty convenience store and a
shitty town by some eight year old bleed out in
the gutter of some city the world left behind. He

(11:40):
had a life too. The gun felt alive in his hands.
In his hand, the gun was life. The muzzle was
aimed dead at the kid's chest, no way to miss
with the kid this close, just ten feet away, maybe
still cloaked in the shadow of the gas station overhang.
And then yeah, they have another interaction where he says
get on your knees and the kid says, fuck you,
and this is like the third time that's happened. And
then the kid says, I'll cap your ass, and then

(12:01):
he shoots the kid. There is that We're getting at
a couple of things. The first sentence. Suddenly, his head
was filled with a sudden energy or something like that.
It's writing one a one. You don't use the same
word twice in the same sentence. Jesus christ Man. Also,

(12:23):
I love going from you know, the idea this is
a nice guy too. You know, clearly this character just
wants to kill the kid. Yeah, the character wants to
kill the kid. Ben doesn't understand what it's like to
have adrenaline hit you in a situation like this. I
can tell you if this, Yeah, it's not it's not
like that. Um, it's it's not a sudden clarity for sure.

(12:47):
That's also like a less charitable picture of cops. Then, Yeah,
I think he would want to have like just describing
it as a moment of confusion and panic would be
uh and more relatable than life. Yeah. Like I'm like,
I'm making a very deliberate choice with my very alert

(13:09):
brain right now. Yeah. Also, I love just the whole
the weird passage about like I'm not going to die
here in this place that I've chosen to live, in
this job that I've chosen to have, and like what
like he had no option but to be a Detroit
cup Like excuse me, oh god. I also like just
the idea that like the kids like a eight years

(13:30):
old apparently and saying I'm going to cap you and
that's what makes him pull the trigger. Yes, and it's
it's there's a lot that's wrong with this, but there
is one, one, one thing I think actually been does
get right. And I think he gets it right by accident. UM.
But one of the honestly, anything gets right is always
an accident. One of the big problems that we have

(13:52):
with UM policing in the United States right now is
that increasingly often the police in large cities do not
live in those cities, like in the city of Portland, Oregon, UM,
with the police regularly use excessive force on protest or
something like two thirds to three quarters of the police
in Portland don't live in the Portland city limits, like
they live in a suburb or a town outside of
Portland or something like that, UM, which is increasingly common

(14:14):
all around the country and leads it reinforces the attitude
that like, the police are separate from the community. UM.
And that is a problem. And I think accidentally you
do see the result of that is this guy instead
of saying like, oh, this kid is a member of
my community and I need to like to like talk
with him and work it out, he's like, I'm not
going to die in this ship the whole town. Yeah,

(14:38):
so O'Sullivan murders an eight year old um and then realizes,
uh that the gun in his waistband was a toy
gun with an orange plastic tip. For a brief moment,
Sullivan couldn't breathe. When he looked up, he saw them coming,
dozens of them, the citizens of Detroit, coming out of
the darkness, congregating. He could feel their eyes. Oh no,

(14:58):
they're dead eyes all there. Everyone, everyone in the neighborhood's
dead eyes staring at me articulately. Yeah. Uh, sorry to
the cop. Yep, sorry to the cop. And I think
from what other things I've read about this book that
the kid was sent out there as part of a
plot by Al Sharpton and uh the crack dealer in

(15:22):
order to set up Yeah, it's a BLM type thing, right.
BLM like sets these things up where by members of
their community get murdered so that they can justify protests
against the police. Been watched fourteen seconds of the Ferguson
protests and decided he knew what was going down. That
that's that's where that chapter came from. Uh so, yeah,

(15:42):
next chapter is a character named Ellen and It starts
with a dead kid who was murdered and the US
Mexican border by coyotes. Um, so that's cool, just another
fact fighting mission along the rio. Grand oh god, I
love I just love that, like knowing everything we know
about Ben and um knowing like his opinions, his demeanor. Um,

(16:07):
I love that every single sentence of this needs to
be read like this. Yeah, yeah, and it it okay.
So yeah. Over the last year had seen an up
sudden upsurge in the number of children attempting to cross
the border without papers. Not all we're children. A surprising
number of the unaccompanied miners were of gang age, somewhere
between fourteen gang agee. Well, no, actually, Cody Ben Ben,

(16:31):
being a great writer, immediately tells us that it's between
fourteen and seventeen. That's what. So is that exclusive? So
I'm I'm too old to join a gang? Then yeah? Yeah,
gangs kick you out at a j teen. Yeah, then
you gotta go work with Al Sharpton. Yep, well, okay, okay, okay.

(16:55):
What are you gonna do when your kids reach gang age? Yeah? Yeah,
you gotta really watch out for those kids when they
hit gang age. Those gangs are going to come for him.
It gets more ridiculous. So after he says that gang
ages is somewheretween fourteen seventeen, some had tattoos, many were
missing fingers, eyes, ears. Law enforcement thought the smugglers had

(17:16):
mut mutilated the kids and sent their body parts back
to their parents for ransom. Uh what's this book about again? Uh?
Everything that has been hates, which so far is not
white people on borders in the inner cities. Do we

(17:39):
have any liberals on Twitter yet? Uh? Good lord, I
bet we'll get there. I bet there will be comments
about social media. See Been understands is a great author
that you want your book to be timeless, so you
keep it vague by just saying social media or something. Um, yeah,
you know, that's That's the way you make a worktime.
Everyone logging into the website dot com, the site dot com.

(18:00):
That's it. Do you know what won't killed children on
the US Mexican border? Well, exactly. Yon guarantees that when
they killed children on borders, there aren't enough left of
those kids to ransom. That's the Raytheon guarantee. I'm on

(18:23):
board again. Thank you, Cody. I knew I could trust
on you to be ethical. Thank you Raytheon, Thank you Raytheon.
We're back, We're back. We still haven't figured out who
Ellen is. I don't think she's been introduced yet. She's
just doing some sort of fact finding mission on the border,

(18:45):
but I don't yet. Really. No, Ellen is a daytime
talk show host that everyone loves but turns out is
maybe unlikable. Yeah, this is not that Ellen, um, but
I don't think she will be likable. Yeah, she's probably like, um,
you know, and intrepid Breitebart type. That's great. Um, okay,

(19:06):
so Ellen is. Ellen is the wife of UH combat
General Brett Hawthorne. There, yeah, the standing for Ben. Yeah,
so Ellen's his wife, lucky lady, and she's angry because
the governor of Texas Bubba Davis. Oh now that part

(19:30):
proves that Ben has some understanding of Texas because Bubba
Davis would do great in a Texas state classic. Yeah. Yeah,
it's like, is this is this actually a screenplay for
Slither like where Bubba Davis sounds like a sausage company?
Yeah it does, and actually really start your day with
a Bubba sausage? Such a day with a Bubba sausage? Yeah, yep.

(19:56):
So Bubba Davis had asked the President for help, and
the President had refused to take the governor's calls, which
doesn't sound like anything that's happened recently that Ben hasn't
complained about. Well, did Bubba try being nice to the president? Well,
there we we go, exactly. Uh. So the President didn't
talk to the governor about helping him with this problem
of all these kids getting murdered on the border, which

(20:18):
is the real problem of of of Uh, the US
Mexican border is all the kids that get murdered on it,
not anything else. That's that's the issue, um, is that
these kids keep being murdered by these evil people smugglers. Uh.
And the President refused to talk to the governor of
Texas about this. He just talked on TV about how
anyone who wanted to deport these children was racist. Uh.

(20:40):
That bullshit didn't surprise Ellen one bit. She knew what
Prescott would do to push forward his agenda. Her husband
was stuck in Afghanistan and her marriage was a public joke.
That was proof positive of that little proposition. I don't
know why her marriage is a public joke. What I
couldn't tell you could not it seems like a like
a power couple, right, Like that's the whole point. Yeah again,

(21:06):
bad writing. Oh, I keep forgetting that part. So she
drives away from this dead kid that they're taking notes
on for some kind of pretty unclear reason. And then
dead kids in this book already Ben loves dead kids.
I don't know if you were aware of that. Yeah,
I've seen his tweets, so yeah, yeah, so he realized.

(21:27):
She realizes that she drives away from the real Grand
after leaving. Yeah. Ellen first noticed the helicopter following her
truck a few minutes after leaving the Rio Grand. Okay, yeah,
and then to the water buddy. Yeah. Yes, Yeah, it
wasn't a news helicopter. Ellen knew it was too decrepit
for that obviously in nineteen eighties Model Cheap Black. She

(21:50):
could see it through her window her review of mirror
in the distance, and it was gaining. So she's being
followed by There's another helicopter shows up, and soon it
becomes clear that she's being uh falled by the evil
news and then she gets it looks like she gets
kidnapped by men with guns. Yeah. One of the men
shouted something in Spanish at Ellen she held up her hands,

(22:12):
just look non threatening. She told herself, Oh my god,
she doesn't say hands up, don't shoot, does she? Yeah? Yeah, okay,
So uh they they expect her Ellen's friend um, and
then kidnapped them. Uh dang it. Yepkay, yeah, so it

(22:39):
looks like she's been kidnapped by the cartel. Um. So
that's cool and this is good m hmm yeah, so great.
So she drives off and manages to escape, and then
we're back in Kabul, Afghanistan with another chapter about combat.
General Bret Hawthorne Yeah yeah, it was shortly after midnight.

(23:00):
The muddy puddle at his feet ran red with his blood.
All he could think about was Ellen Ellen living there.
This is a lot more fun if you think about
it as the TV show host Ellen. I'm yep, he's
never met her either. It's not like they're even acquaintances. Like,
I'm just thinking of the TV show host Ellen. She
would do that bit where she like trips over the

(23:22):
sidewalk and looks back like don't trip over that, And
that's how she she would charm her way out of
this situation. It's like guess what I'm getting at, yeah, yeah,
or like he's not even thinking of like modern day Ellen,
like the famous dance. She's like thinking of like her
sitcom with Jeremy thinking of he's thinking of Ellen that
came out on TV. Yeah. Yeah, that's Brett Hawthorne, wounded

(23:45):
and trapped in Afghanistan alone, is just thinking about the
Ellen degenerous Jeremy Piven sitcom. Piven doesn't get enough credit
for being so great on that Ellen sitcom that year ago.
Truly did not realize that was Jeremy pivencom. This is uh, this,
this episode is going in a new direction. So we

(24:05):
get we get a lot of interesting statements by Ben
here so so again combat General Brett Hawthorne is wounded
and alone in Kabul and and the nights in are cold.
Uh and the good news is that cold had helped
stop the bleeding. Which interesting. Okay, okay, well yeah, just
like just by virtue of being cold. Yeah, that's an

(24:29):
interesting take. I I haven't heard before about gunshot wounds
and just when the night gets kind of chilly but there,
Well no, I mean you really, Robert, with all of
your medic street training, you didn't know that just to
stop blood flow, you just you put an ice cube
on it. Yeah, you just hang out. There is something
to say if you were to actually like put like

(24:51):
a packet of ice on a bleeding wound, that wouldn't
be the most effective way to staunch it, but I
think it would eventually slow like the rate of blood loss.
But he's just talking about being having an untreated gunshot
wound out in a chilly night. And I don't think
I left my joke backfired. Continue, No, no, no, it's
it's okay, Katie, because everything about this book is a backfire.

(25:14):
So Brett Hawthorne, as far as I can tell, hasn't
treated his gunshot wound is at all, is keeping himself
conscious by jamming the butt of his handgun into the
wound because he's that much of a badass. How that's
how I've fixed me. Yeah, Jesus Christ'll be better. So
here we learned that Ben Shapiro really understands Kabul. At night,

(25:38):
the streets emptied completely. Even the Taliban fighters didn't want
to be in the open. They'd be in nearby apartment buildings,
no doubt, huddled around their primitive fires. I mean that is,
oh my god, primitive. Look. You don't have to say
they're primitive. There's something jokes aside, so revolting about a

(26:02):
white man who has clearly never been there trying to
write about something he does not understand. I mean, that's
an obvious thing, but just think about it. He hasn't
gone there, he hasn't spent time researching. Yeah, and it's
a few movies that are like this, and that is
colored his entire opinion about what it's like. Yeah, and

(26:23):
he clearly like has a lack of understanding about how
the Taliban works, like their monsters and everything. But like,
right now we're seeing a situation that is as close
as possible to analogus about like what he's talking about
here with the war in Afghanistan like turns completely in
the Taliban's favor. It's happening now. They're killing dozens of
Afghan security forces a day. Um. But Ben is talking

(26:44):
about how they've like destroyed all power to kabul Um basically,
which hasn't happened because for one thing, part of how
do you win an insurgency the way the Taliban has
is you don't like deliberately piss off civilians for no
good reason. Um, I would hold he framed them like
primitive caveman, Robert, Yeah, exactly. Well you could just use

(27:05):
the word primitive when you're describing them, Yeah, that would
be that would be too obvious. Because it's a fire.
It's necessary. It's like, okay, well it's primitive fire to like,
these are primitive people, and I think they're all right, man, Yeah,
these are Yeah, he he had to really emphasize how
primitive and pitiful the Afghan people are. Um. So Brett's
headed towards the airport because the airport he knew would

(27:27):
still be in American hands. Um, yeah, he knew he'd
but he knew he'd have to stay quiet. With the
Taliban presumably running the place, there would be a bounty
out for US soldiers. Every time he brushed his shattered
arm against the wall, swollen to twice its normal size,
he gasped in pain. Then reluctantly he took the magazine
out of the gun and bit down on it. Hard

(27:47):
better to crack a few teeth than to be featured
on CNN being dragged through the streets, and an empty
gun wouldn't be of any use to him anyway. Why
is it still in your hand, then, ben? Um? Yeah,
so he here he compares it to the last helicopter
out of Psaigon. Yadda YadA YadA. Um. So he gets
to the gate and he realizes that the gates been
blown wide open in the US air base in Afghanistan

(28:10):
has been taken over by the Talifan, and all of
the U S soldiers are dead. Yeah, so that's cool.
The advanced soldiers and their primitive enemy. Yeah yeah, they'd
somehow managed to to blow the gate open and execute
all the survivors. Um, so that's awesome. Um, good, good
for the Taliban. I guess you know you gotta you

(28:31):
gotta support an underdog at times like this. Um. Blood
covered the floor, the walls, Its slicked the floor at
like oil at a transmission shop. Okay, say I need
you to say that sentence again. Please. Blood covered the floor,
the walls, It slicked the floor like oil at a

(28:51):
transmission shop. Transmission shop, another place Ben has never been,
like what a mechanics shop is like just the floors
coated in oil all the time, Like just like you
repeating yourself, like it's covered, it's covered. Also it's flicked,

(29:12):
like just do pick one do the second part? Do
the metaphor that you're trying to do. Yeah, whatever, it's
it's awesome. Um. So yeah, they the Taliban who have
been Brett tells us is sure to tell us our
fucking animals, um have tortured all of the people that
they captured horribly before killing them. Um. Which is interesting

(29:35):
because one time when they captured a US soldier, they
kept him alive for like five years and he was
eventually ransom back to the United States. Um. And they
were pretty bad to him, but they didn't uh torture
him to death just for fun, because that's not productive.
But you know, been been been understands the Taliban, Yeah,

(29:55):
he gets it. You know who doesn't torture people? The
United States of America. Never. Never, I don't think that's
ever happened. Um. So now, okay, finally, eight or nine
hours after getting his wound, Bret Hawthorne decides to set
his arm to like actually treat his his shattered and
gunshot riddled arm. So that's that's when you do that.

(30:17):
That's the time. That's the time for it. Yeah, yeah,
that's good. So he can tell by looking at it
that there's no internal bleeding um that. But the arm
is swollen and it's bulging. Yeah, if he left the
broken bone hanging around inside, it would cut an artery
sooner or later. Ben Shapiro medical expert here, Oh my god,
doctor his wife and doctor honey honey. Uh does this

(30:43):
sound realistic? You know I'm putting it in anyway. I
love it because like he definitely didn't ask her, because
why would he ask a woman anything about their opinion?
But she definitely didn't read it. Yeah, yeah, because she'd
be like, Ben, don't but she couldn't. How could she
get through this? Yeah, that's the secret to their marriages.

(31:06):
She does not pay attention to any of the things
he does. Yeah, never been online. So he he manages
to guess them the dead ambassador because remember the corrupt
US ambassador who got his job by supporting the president's campaign,
and so he got the cushy position of an ambassador
to Afghanistan, which is what every every rich man once. Yes,

(31:31):
you remember how Trump gave all of his donors ambassadorships
to Afghanistan and Iraq the real position. Yeah, that that
that crown jewel of a position. Yeah, I mean I'm
pretty sure he did give donors ambassador ships, yes, but
not Yeah, but like you know countries where you'd win
a vacation, right right, right, Yeah, like Germany. Yeah, you

(31:54):
get to go to Germany if you support the president,
you tend to not put someone alike as if bassaard
to Afghanistan. Not a great gig um. But he he
opens the briefcase, the locked briefcase that is like handcuffed
to the dead Uh ambassador. Um that the Taliban who
had like stolen everything that wasn't nailed down, apparently left

(32:15):
this rich man's briefcase just unopened, didn't shoot it open
or anything. But Brett is able to guess the pass
code for the briefcase. Um, and it pops open, and
inside is a glock because you've gotta have a gun, um,
a passport, a stack of Afghan money, a stack of
US money, and a bag of opium. Yes, oh my god. Okay,

(32:38):
So there's a xerox copy of a map with coordinance
on it in Iran and in Iraq, and quote Brett
knew what it meant. Brett had known of the CIA's
discovery of weapons of mass destruction in Iraq for years.
Everyone on the inside had known. The media had reported
that the government had lied that somehow all the world's
greatest intelligence agencies had been dead wrong. But that is

(33:00):
the case. Hussain had smuggled some of the weapons out
of the country to Syria. Others had been buried in
the desert. Yeah. Yeah, they'd been taken to Iran, the
country that Saddam Hussein fought for ten years and an
unspeakably brutal war that killed a million people. That's where
he sends his weapons. This wild I've read the reports. Yeah, okay,

(33:28):
so the weapons were buried. Just so sorry, I got
that wrong. I need to be fair to Ben Shapiro,
who's Saddam Hussein didn't smuggler weapons into Iran. UM. Hussain
had smuggled some of the weapons out of the country
to Syria, a country that he had obviously great relationships with. UM.
Others had buried. Others had been buried in the desert,

(33:51):
just the desert. No country given. Now that they were
smuggled into Iran, because the the U s Ambassador to
Afghanistan and friend of the president helped the government of
Iran get us like it helped smuggle Saddam's new like
like buried weapons into Iran. The ambassador did, so that's

(34:11):
how they got to Iran because the ambassador, as as
Brett Hawthorne says, right before passing out, which is how
the chapter ends, you said a bit you sold us out.
So that's the story. That's the story. That's a good line.
Uh good, it's a good writing. Character development a lot
to analyze their Number one the fact that both Ben

(34:33):
thinks it's important to know that all of the great
US intelligence agencies were totally right about Saddam's weapons of
mass destruction, but that Saddam got them out of the country,
and that in the intervening decade, almost those great agencies
weren't able to find where any of them were buried.
But this random ambassador figured it out and was able
to get them smuggled into Iran without these perfect and

(34:53):
incredible intelligence agencies, the best the world has ever known,
realizing what was happening. Right they were, they were, They
were telling the truth the whole time. They just didn't.
They couldn't. They didn't figure out that. They didn't know
the rest of it. They didn't the important stuff. Ben
would tell us that if we'd let them torture more people,
they would have got it right. Good kind of torture Yeah,

(35:16):
I love what if this is a beautiful again It's
just it's like I said this last time, like I
wish like Jordan Peterson would write a novel so we
can really see, like here's here's you, here's the essence
of you. But I just love what a just a
perfect like fantasy. This is yeah, this this like anti reality,

(35:39):
uh wish fulfillment fantasy of his Yeah, like the facts
don't care about the feeling. This guy just being like,
what what if they were what? But what what? What
if they were? Right? It is all the kids that
die from cops, what if they were put up to it?
But l Sharpton, Yeah, it's in two chapters we've seen

(36:01):
like been going out of his way to create a
world where everything he believes but can't factually back up
everything he feels, you might say, is yeah, it's art.
It's art in the worst way possible. So good. It
reminds me of that one line from Royal Tenant Bombs.
Everyone knows that Custer died at Little Big Big Horn,

(36:22):
But what my book presupposes is maybe he didn't. Maybe
he didn't. Like what if everything that I can't prove
was actually yeah provable was proven and immediately obvious, like
this crack dealer sees Al Sharpton hanging out in his
cracked in and it's like, oh, of course Al Sharpton
is here to make a deal with me. And this

(36:43):
deal is, of course, to set up an eight year
old boy to die, which none of us has issues with,
so that we can protest the cops. Um. Yeah boy
yea the dead eyed boy. Uh. And of course all
of Saddam's weapons of mass destruction were smuggled with the
help of a Democrat into Iran, which is what all

(37:04):
the democrats want, is for Iran to have Saddam's weapons.
I mean, I can't speak for others, but it's what
I want. Yeah, I mean, Katie, you've been you've been
very outspoken about your desire to go back in time
give Saddam Hussein chemical weapons and then send them to Iran. Um.
Which is an interesting point to take. But uh, you know,

(37:25):
I respect your consistency. Thank you, Robert. I appreciate that.
I appreciate that you tolerate my, my my profound viewpoints.
You know, we all this is America, and we're not
going to agree on everything. I for one think that
Saddam should have been given nuclear weapons so that he

(37:45):
could smuggle them into the inner cities in order to
execute a war on white people. But you know, maybe
that's where this is going. Maybe I have a feeling
this might be where that's going. Katie is a yeah.
So our next chapter is a President Prescott chapter, and

(38:06):
it starts with him talking to an analyst about how
the recessions coming. But it doesn't make any sense because
the airlines have been doing well this year and the
dip in the stock market doesn't make sense. Why so
words on pages. Yeah, it's uh, it's kind of amazing.
So he's got this analyst in there talking to him

(38:28):
about how it doesn't make sense that that things aren't
going great for the economy, and he also has General
Bill Collier, uh sitting right there. Um quote. Prescott couldn't
just blow this irritating asshole off. He had to at
least appear interested. Thankfully, that was his specialty. So Prescott said,
he's talking to the general. The analyst cleared his throat.
Let me start at the beginning. You remember nine eleven,

(38:50):
Prescott nodded amiably. So in a couple of months before
nine eleven, there was a huge jump and currency in circulation.
That probably means that somebody, somebody with an awful lot
of money in domestic bank account, for example, cashed out
in order to avoid blowback after the attack. He's been
going truth or here, remember yeah, and the President just

(39:12):
nods mean, yes, I do vaguely remember nine eleven. Yeah, yes,
the thing that happened on the watch of the president
that immediately preceded me. Yes, I do remember that. With
a skip in his step, he nods, he smiles and

(39:35):
nods wistfully, those were the day. Yeah, boy, it's it's great.
So this guy explains stock shorting to the president in
a really boring way. Uh so, yeah, it's it's it's frustrating.
So this kid is saying that basically, somebody shorting the
US market, and it's proof that some dastardly foreigner knows

(39:57):
that there's a nine eleven style attack. Um, it's about
to hit the United States. And Prescott doesn't grasp any
of this and seems to have no idea what this
kid is saying. And then the grizzled general growls. What
he's trying to say is that we're about to get
hit hard. So that's Robert. You could have been an actor.
Thank you, thank you so much. I love acting. I

(40:21):
love the theater. To get permission to do the audio
book of this and get a cast of people to
play each character, yes, yes we should, Katie, I think
that would be really fun. Can I be Ellen? Yeah?
You can be Ellen, will get I don't know, I'm
just I'm just gonna spit ball here. But Ben Shapiro

(40:41):
to be bred haf Yeah, every big man in this book. Yeah,
I oh my god. I would love that, especially if,
like if whoever does the narrator does like this kind
of voice. Whatever they do the narration, and then whenever
Hawthorne talks, it's bend to come out with this good.
I bet we could get an all star studied cast

(41:04):
for this project. I bet Chris Evans would do it.
He hates. Yeah. So it turns out that it's China. Um.
China is the country that's that's shorting the U. S.
Stock market because they know that there's an attack coming.
Um and the president primitive Chinese and the president so

(41:24):
the general is like, we have to do something about this.
This is you know, there's an attack coming. This is serious.
And the president uh, speaks to him like he's the
third grader, which in the President's mind, this general is
because all American Democratic presidents hate the military. Um, and
they don't, for example, higher numerous generals and then fire them,
saying that they're all idiots. That would never happen with

(41:44):
a Republican president, only a Democrat with disrespect the wonderful
generals this way, so that's great. Uh yeah, okay, So
the general's advice sums out to being all I'm saying
is that we ought to check get out, sir, if
only to cover our asses should something go wrong. And
the President says, well, I disagree, this discussion is tabled.

(42:09):
Yeah that's cool. Um, that's cool. There's also a line
in there where they talk about the nine eleven report
but it gets rejected out of hands is compromised. Um,
so that love the thing I didn't realize being believed.
I just his his His perspective on Obama is so
funny because, like I know, at least we and a

(42:31):
lot of people listening, I'm sure like, wow, Obama compromised
too much, and he really bent over backwards to please
people he shouldn't have and so on, and Ben just
like Obama went in there and he told everyone to
shut the funk up, and he did whatever he wanted.
And it's like, man, what do you Yeah, what's the narrative?
So immediately after this meeting, the President gets on the

(42:52):
phone with the Premier of China, which is now international
relations tend to work as a general rule, um, and
the president Premiere of China immediately agrees to a request
from the President to buy a bunch of bonds. So
Prescott gets off and sells out America to the Chinese instantly,
like right after this meeting, uh and quote Prescott thanked

(43:12):
him profusely and promised him that the United States understood
the position of the Chinese government with respect to military
exercises in the South China Sea, but asked that all
that the expert exercises take place sporadically rather than all
at once. And then hung up. And they say the
Chinese are tough to deal with, Prescott thought to himself.
Then he ignores a call from the governor of Texas

(43:33):
because he hates Bubba Davis. Uh yeah, yeah, yeah, the
democratic president holding personal grudges against specific states. Um. So
he yeah, a thing that only a Democrat would do.
So he tries to ignore Bubba Davis, but Bubba says
it's urgent, so he has to get on the phone
with him, and Bubba is just begging him to send

(43:55):
troops to the border. Um yeah, okay, yeah, yeah, yeah.
He wants him to send troops to the border because
one of the governor's staffers was kidnapped by cartel people.
This book is wild. Yeah, so that's an that's an
act of war. So the governor says, this is an

(44:16):
act of war, and the President says, rightly, it's not
an act of war if it's not by a foreign government,
which you might recognize as accurate. I think he's trying
to do too much. He's shoving five different books into
one yes, yes, because he has to get all of
his political beliefs into this one book. Um yeah, it's

(44:40):
neat because like by this logic, I don't know, we
could look at the fucking kidnapping of or like the
mafia executions of like local politicians in the Northeast that
happened in like the sixties and seventies and eighties, Like
what are we going to war with Italy? Is that?
What that is? No, it was a crime syndicate killing
somebody who got in the way of what they were
do doing. Only dangerous lunatics would view that as an

(45:03):
active war with a foreign government. Yeah. We I mean
we could, we could do that with just any crime.
Oh and so the government war with that nation. Now, yeah,
one of their citizens committed a crime against us. So
the President's like, it's not an active war if it's
not by a government. And the Governor of Texas as
horship Mr President, you know as well I do that

(45:24):
the Mexican government is run by the cartels, and they
killed one of my people, one of your people. So
been understands Mexico. Um, it totally understands Mexico. Uh, that's good.
That's great. Um. You know what else is good and great, Robert,
the products and services that support this podcast. Yes, that part. Yeah,

(45:47):
the saddest I've ever heard you. Yeah, I this is
I'm gonna be honest with you all, less fun than
the first time. Yeah, we're getting that's good. That's good. Okay.
I want to note before we roll out to ads,
I just want to get to the end of Prescott's chapter. Um.
So he gets off the phone with the governor, UM

(46:08):
and says that he's going to charge them with breaking
federal law if his boys on the border shoot anybody. Um.
And yeah, then he hangs up on the governor of
Texas after threatening to put him in jail if he
does anything like that. And then he gets a call
from Jazz Jasmine. Jack's the national security advisor um also

(46:30):
his longtime political mentor. He could hear her sexy fingers
manipulating the phone. Yeah, yeah, yeah, she's in the situation room,
Mr President, and she says, you might want to get
down there. Something about bread Hawthorne. Well, I thought you
were going to say something about bread. No, something about

(46:53):
her sexy fingers again, Yeah, the sexy fingers of his
national security advisor, um playing with the You could hear
sexy fingers playing with a phone. I'm trying to figure
out who that is because I was thinking at first,
condo Liza Rice. Um. But she wouldn't work for a Democrat,
would she. And also yeah, I don't know, Um, we'll

(47:14):
we'll see if it becomes clear where Ben's going with this. Obviously,
every single person is somebody in real life. And what
I'm taking away right now is that Ben's got a
thing for fingers. You know, that's what it does, Ben does.
Fish gotta be gotta be real tall and uh yeah,
check out those sexy fingers. You know what I've got

(47:35):
a thing for. Here we go, We're back. Okay. So
we opened with another chapter from Ellen, Brett's wife, uh,
who escaped you know, murder although her friend got shot

(47:55):
by the cartel uh. And it starts with her noticing
that that Brett had lost weight. Funny that would be
the first thought to cross Ellen's mind when she saw
him on television. But it was he he was always
so self conscious about the four or five pounds around
his middle section. He couldn't shake what he liked to
call the fame to Hawthorne underbelly. That's just been that's

(48:15):
just been being anxious about his own weight problem. Personal. Yeah,
body issues manifest once again in this book. That is
just a window into his soul. Yeah yeah, a complete
and utter window. So Brett Hawthorne has been captured. Um yeah, yep, yep.

(48:37):
That's what happened. After he passed out having realized that
Saddam Hussein's nuclear weapons had gotten smuggled into Iran by
the US ambassador to Afghanistan. He should have bit down
harder on that bullet. And now he's in a real screen.
Now he's in a real, real, real trouble. Brett Hawthorne
is Uh so Brett's captured. He's wearing an orange jumpsuit. Um. Yeah,

(48:59):
and he's this is like that they they've gone and
like gone, like isis video or all kind of interact
video from this even though it is the Taliban? Um.
But yeah, whatever, that's close enough. At least he's captured
and being ransomed, unlike you know all of the other
ransomable people like the a ambassador who they just murdered
for no reason. Um. Yeah. Yeah, So they're they're threatening

(49:24):
the president that if he doesn't withdraw the US like
US bombers from Afghanistan, they're going to cut off General
Brett Hawthorne's head. Um. And then the President says, we're
not going to bow before terrorists, which you'd expect to
be like the attitude that's been been with support. But
I'm sure we'll find out that the President is actually
somehow being evil in this too. Yeah. If he cuts

(49:47):
off his head, then that's there's that four pounds doesn't
have to worry about anymore, right, Oh, there you go.
You need to interject. I opened Twitter randomly as we're
sitting here and Shapiro is trending, So oh, dear god,
what did he do. Oh it's because he said that, Um,
it's about COVID and uh, sacrificing your grandma for the economy.

(50:09):
And if it was young people dying to be fine.
But if you're grandma, if somebody who eighty one dies
of COVID, that is not the same thing as somebody
who is thirty dying of COVID nineteen. If grandma dies
in a nursing home at anyone, that's tragic and it's terrible. Also,
life expectancy in the United States is eighty That's a
really good Shapiro impression. So thank you so much. I

(50:32):
was trying really hard but sacrifice the Ben Shapiro, Ben Shapiro,
famed advocate of life and its preciousness. Um. Oh, it
looks like he was saying that to Dave Reuben. Yeah,
that sounds about right. That sounds about right. Anyway, back
to the topic in hand, Yeah, I love it. Also,
just sorry real quick in regards to exactly this that

(50:54):
we're talking about. Dave Reuben earlier said a similar thing
to Larry King, his hero, and Larry King was like, Dave,
that's stupid. Come on nice anyway, sorry, go ahead, amazing.
So Ellen sees her husband kidnapped, and you know, the
President say that he's not going to rescue him, which

(51:14):
is bad in this instance, although I think in other
instances Been would support the president refusing to negotiate with terrorists. Anyway,
Ellen lives in Texas like all good Americans except for
Ben Shapiro, who lives in California. But let's not analyze
that suit too much. Oh good lord, there's a lot. Yeah,

(51:35):
oh god, Okay. So there's protesters out in front of
the Texas Governor's office saying close the border. Enough is enough,
protect your people, and she's walking through the crowd. She
edged her way past one burly linebacker of a man
wearing a cowboy hat and a gun, which was perfectly
legal in the state. That was reason enough for Ellen
to love the lone Star state. The fact that people

(51:55):
can wear guns there is enough. Um, there wouldn't be
any random shootings in this capitol building anytime soon, even
if the media made it seem as though every civilian
with a gun represented a threat to public safety. For
every nut with a gun, she knew there were ten
willing to put him down. What happens on eleven people
in a crowd start shooting at each other. Ben like,
I'm as pro gun as you're gonna get. But come on, man,

(52:17):
you're really fucking stupid. Yes, eleven people in a crowd
having a gunfight is the situation. We want to encourage
what we want. That's how we say, that's how we
were safe. Yeah. She showed the guards her I d
and they waved her through. Two knocks on the door,
and she stood across from one time Republican presidential candidate
and four time governor Boba Davis after Stinton Vietnam back

(52:41):
in the late sixties. Davis a big bear of a man,
burly and fun. I to ask you at some point
to do a word search. Please, I'm gonna do it.
I'm gonna do it right now. I'm gonna do bear
of a man. Oh. I was gonna say, please do
a search for the words short. Oh. Yeah, because I

(53:02):
don't think that this world has a short person in
it unless they are a dead eyed eight year old boy.
Maybe I don't think so. I think everyone is over
six ft tall in this book. I don't think that
there is a short person in it. Yeah. That is
so within like three paragraphs, the two people, the two

(53:24):
new characters that were unbelievable. I love it, I love it. Yeah,
she's described two characters in the same page as big
and burly. Um. Yeah, so Davis, Anna Hawthorne or the
only two people described as bearer of a man. But
let's see short, do we do? We get a short
in here? Short years ago, shortly after midnight? Yetda YadA

(53:45):
yeada uh, sexy blonde in a short skirt. Okay, here
we go yet then yeah, so there's there. Yeah, actually
all the terrorists are short people. You fucking no, No,
it seems it seems like the terrorists. Yeah. The first
two people I find described as short are a short

(54:07):
man named Mohammed who seems to be doing some sort
of terroristy deal and like a short Russian. Um, maybe
so fucking happy and oh my gosh, this book is tragic.
Then it's not all of his own self loathing. Yeahs short,
I think all the terrorists are short. I think all

(54:28):
the terrorists are short. Um. And now it is worth
noting that the main bad guy leave on or at
least one of the big bad guys is tall and shredded,
so as as was Yard. The man with no other name,
the nameless kid in the student with the jersey might
be a bad guy, but he's not a terrorist. Yeah,

(54:51):
so there we go. So, yeah, we get a little
bit about Bubba Davis, how he came home without a job,
but then he got a job, which I don't know
why you of course he came home without a job.
He was leaving his job. Most people like who are
in Vietnam didn't like set up another gig before they
left the military, Like, that's not how that works. But okay,

(55:13):
he gets a job working on an oil rig, which
he loved. Uh and and then he felt good enough
to go out on his own with a bank roll
from his father in law. He had to live frugally, um,
which I don't think you can do when your rich
dad gives you the money to start a business. I
don't know. I guess you can buy relative terms. But yeah,
so he patented a new drilling technique that skyrocketed efficiency.

(55:36):
We don't get any detail on that because Ben doesn't
know anything about actually mining whale or how it works,
and he became one of the richest men in the state. Yeah,
he did. He definitely saw arm ageddon. Uh yeah. So uh.
He only got into politics because his local state assemblyman
begun calling for environmental reviews of all drilling. The way

(55:58):
Bubba figured it, he had no choice. His livelihood, the
livelihood of his workers was at stake. He ran, he won,
and he kept on winning. So that's he didn't want
environmental reviews of drilling. That's why he got in the
politics because that was clearly bad, like just being like,
let's see what this might do to the environment is
fundamentally toxic in the eyes of one Benneth and Shapiro. Um,

(56:22):
so that's that's good. His campaign slogan was don't let
him horne swaggle you, which, speaking as a Texan, that's
a word we use, all right, don't let a horn
swoggle you. Don't don't let him horns swaggle you. Uh yep,
um yeah, that's um it's god, oh god, oh yeah,

(56:48):
it was. What the fucking perfect here for that? It is?
It really does show that ben is trapped in some
ways in that world of like late nineteen nineties Rush
Limbaugh radio politics like, which is kind of why he's
felt increasingly sort of left behind by conservative media. This
is my my feeling in the Trump era because he
is sort of permanently stuck in this like the like

(57:13):
he's really obsessed with the environmentalists are uh corrupt and
part of some sort of scam like this. This paragraph
goes in later to how um the Bubba opened his
campaign by naming the top three environmental officers in the
state and reading off how much they'd received from lobbyists
for for the environmentalists, and then how much those environmental

(57:35):
groups had received from global competitors like the Saudi government.
So Ben believes that the Saudi Arabia is funding the
environmentalist movement in the United States richest environmentalists. Yeah, Bubba
Davis played politics the way like he played put football.
He pushed the line. The press called it swagger. He

(57:56):
just called it the Texas way. Been really gets Texas,
Yeah really does. Yeah. God, that's it's that is interesting
and true. I think what you're like, how stuck he
is um in that era? Um. He has described himself
as a rush baby in the past. Yeah, Like I
can see that. I like, I love I love Russia. Limbaugh. Um,

(58:19):
he's my hero and so on fits it's amazing. Uh yeah,
so uh Bubba's Bubba's angry um because of the yeah
he's he's he's trying to stop people from get horn
swaggled the hell I So he says that, uh have

(58:41):
you seen the crime statistics in El Paso? Used to
be one of the safest city cities in the state.
Now it looks like goddamn Phoenix. Al Paso was in
two thousand sixteen and is still today one of the
safest cities in the United States, Like yeah, and it
has been for a long time, like despite its proximity
to Yeah, what do you like? It's a good example

(59:01):
of why you're wrong about everything. Yeah, yeah, yeah, Like
El Passing in the world is like, oh my god.
After eight years of Obama, El Passo was still one
of the safest cities in the country. So Ben just
pretends that it got dangerous under a different fake Democrat
not named Obama, so that he can Yeah fucking christ Ben, Yeah,

(59:21):
that's embarrassing. It is very embarrassing, embarrassing. That's embarrassing about this. Yeah,
an embarrassing Oh good god. Um, okay, So that's great.
So uh. The governor talks to Ellen about his conversation
with the President and about how even if the President
says it's not a war, he knows that what's going
on at the border is a war. Um. And Ellen says,

(59:45):
do you think Prescott is bluffing about like sending him
to prison if he, you know, uh, cracks down the border.
It's just what he wants. He wants another Waco, and
even better, a Waco created by one of his chief
political opponents, because Waco went really well for the Clinton administration.
One the hell are you talking about? Yeah? Yeah, so

(01:00:07):
seven out of ten Texans want to militarize the border, um,
Which yeah, so this Ben is really on board with
militarizing the border. And that's what what this this chapter
is really all about. Um. And then this is really
interesting because it involves the governor of Texas dealing with
a massive problem UM in his state that has led

(01:00:27):
the loss of life and has outraged the population of
his state. And the governor recognizes that the only way
to deal with the problem is to take Like the
governor goes to the federal government and asks for help
dealing with this problem, and a careless hateful president who
rejects him immediately because of where he comes from, refuses
to help him, and threatens him if he does the

(01:00:48):
necessary It takes the necessary steps to to do anything.
And so this chapter is all about Bubba, the governor
of Texas and his assistant chief assistant, deciding that they
have to go out on their own independent of the
federal government because they have been abandoned by their government,
and they're the heroes. I wonder how Bim feels about

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things like this that might be happening now that are
real and not hypothetical and don't involve imagining a crisis
on the border. This is fiction, Robert. It's amazing that
a real thing you could see as a parallel to
something Ben as writing about here happens. But it's the
complete opposite of everything been suspects, and he hates it.

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That's incredible. That's incredible. It's beautiful art. Yeah. Yeah, And
I am exhausted, and we've been at this for more
than an hour, and I think, yeah, and I think
we've come to like the moment of conclusion for this episode,

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because it's really telling to me that Ben does like
the fact that there's so many perils. You've got like
a state that the President of the United States clearly
just sort of automatically hates anyone from that state and
rejects them because President Prescott hates Texans. Um our our
president has a hatred of California. You've got that governor
who has to take action to protect his state, and

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that action means doing things that like could be seen
as like pre secessionist um. And in Ben's book, they're
the hero because what he's trying to do is send
soldiers to the border UM And in reality, they're trying
to lock down their state and and build more ventilators,
and they're the bad guys in Ben's head. I do
think we need to to, you know, earmark where we

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are and continue to work our way through this book
a few chapters at a time, because honestly, I'm too
invested at this point and I'm never going to read it,
but I want to know how all of this comes together.
If it does, yeah, I'm sure lev On becomes a
figure of national let's with our prediction. So my prediction

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is that leve On will become a respectable national political
figure while still selling crack cocaine UM and that BLM
will cause a bunch of violent protests that necessitate they
be put down violently. Um after they fake that eight
year old's death. UM. I predict that that Bubba will
become the president. Maybe I'm wrong about that. There might

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be like a civil war thing that happens at the end.
I don't know. I don't know where bins leading with this.
That's what I was going to say, is I think
that there's going to be some sort of a civil war.
Bubba will assume the presidency, locked down the borders, and
America will live happily ever after. O. Yeah. I also
suspect we're going to hear more about this this international

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conspiracy against the United States that involves at least China,
but I bet, I bet some ridiculous countries will also
show up. I think the weapons of mass destructions are
going to end up with black lives matters. Yeah, I
bet gets in Saddam's nukes. There's going to be right,
there's gonna be a threat where Lavon has the weapons

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of mass instruction and they need to stop him from
using them. I truly believe that's what's happening, because that
that that is the most ben Shapiro kind of Republican
thing that could happen is that the evil black activists
who hate cops get Saddam Hussain's weapons of next destruction
from Iran. It's everything he hates but is in reality connected,

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in no way whatsoever being connected, which is what all
Republicans have to believe happens, right, that everything is a
little piece of the puzzle and it's all coming to
a head. Yea. God, it's it's a kind of thinking
we all have to avoid. Like there's a tendency to
believe that everything bad is tight into everything else bad.
And it's made more complicated by the fact that like

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a lot of shitty people are all friends with each other.
I don't know, right, and it's it's a it's but
it's also oftentimes the difference between well, their interests naturally
aligned yea, as opposed to like they're all meeting in
like their meeting in a room and they're saying like, well,
you go do this and I'll go do this, and
then like it's not it doesn't have to be a
conspiracy for interests to aligne. Yeah, it's kind of like

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why Kim Jong un. There were times when he was
willing to like be positive about Trump and the administrations
because it helped individual things he wanted to have happened,
And there was no there was no coordination because he
was also happy to throw Trump under the bus at times,
because none of these groups actually give a shit about
each other. Yeah, but in Ben's head, Black Lives Matter,

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I'm certain is about to be collaborating with Iran to
use Saddam's weapons of mass destruction on America. That that
is I think where this has to be headed. Yeah,
the domestic terrorists are working with the international terrorists. The
domestic terrorists, which certainly are not going to be for example,
white militia dudes, who, as we all know, never commit terrorism. No,

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they're the eros. I'll tell you what if some white
militia dudes uh went somewhere and did and did some
crimes to people in Mexico. I bet uh he wouldn't
be like, well, this justifies Mexico starting a war with US. Yeah,
There's never been a case of members of a militia
killing a child on the border. That never happened. In

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the episode we did about the border militia community and
its growth in history, nothing like that. Occurred. I believe you.
I'm waiting also for a have we seen a right
wing Have we seen like a Russia Limpbob Ben Shapiro type?
We have to I'm gonna guess we are, although I
think it'll be interesting if we don't. If there's no

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like actual like Ben Shapiro media personality stand in in
this book, I think that's going to be really interesting
because it might suggest to me that Ben Shapiro um
kind of hates himself and what he does and wishes
he'd joined the military, but he doesn't think he was
big enough. Yeah, short enough to be a terrorist, not
tall enough to be Ben. Yeah, we gotta dig more

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into these terrorists next. Maybe we'll start the next one
with that, But for now, I need ye all to
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