What's Alex Jones Up To Now?

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Mmm, Hello Internet, I'm Robert Evans and this is once
again Behind the Bastards, the show where we tell you
everything you don't know about the very worst people in
all of history. And today we have a very special
episode for all of you. It's another episode on Alex Jones,
the epilogue of Alex Jones, you can call it. And
my guest today are the guys from Knowledge Fight Dan

(00:21):
and Jordan. How are y'all doing today? Are doing great?
Thanks for having us uh In case our listeners don't know,
Dan knows a lot about Alex Jones. Jordan's does not
know much about Alex Jones. But in reality, you both
know an enormous amount about Alex Jones because you've recorded
hundreds of podcasts episodes about him too. To my everlasting regret,

(00:44):
I started doing this podcast because I wanted to hang
out with my friend, and now I know too much
about this man. Yeah, yeah, influence y'all's podcast. Knowledge Fight
listeners can go to Knowledge Fight dot com if you
want to hear more about Alex Jones. They break down
his episodes. You guys are both doing them hondern stuff
and you go like back to two thousand eight nine, episodes.
Y'all's podcasts have become one of my favorite. I kind

(01:06):
of learned about it as I was finishing up the
first Alex Jones podcast. But I listen to you guys
two or three times a week. I was trying to
get caught up. I love your stuff, enjoy it. Yeah,
thank you very much. Well, yeah, we absolutely appreciate your
work as well. Well, let's let's get into this. Let's
talk a little bit about Alex Jones. Sure, i'd like

(01:26):
to open this video this alright, I'd like to open
this episode with special video I found of Alex Jones
on Inauguration Day, outrageously drunk and ranting about some sort
of bizarre future space program. Have you guys seen this one?
I I have horrific memories of Inauguration night, Election night.
That whole season was pretty bad. Time they're watching Alex Jones.

(01:48):
I forget when I came across this one, but it's
pretty remarkable. I like it because it showcases Alex Jones
as drunk as I think he's ever been. But that
may be optimistic on my part. I would say so
he's reached some dioling heights of intoxication. There are four
ways to learn, one of which is race memory. I

(02:08):
believe that's very, very druyful. Yeah. None, none of those
four ways to learn, by the way that he references
were reading research, any kind of physical look. Libraries are
where he goes to uh ship. Basically he's not He's
not there for the books. They have free coffee. All right,

(02:30):
I'm gonna play this video just to warm up the
waters for our listeners. Here, here's drunk Alex Jones's will
be created and a launch space program that Cyne Patty
of the space a loss of program. That's the big difference.
The new Atlanta S will be created at a launch
space program, the Cyne Matty of the space A loss

(02:52):
of program. Put Smanty on the bat forever in the galaxy.
Get a loss of program and our ancestral thousand here
now on hundreds and hundreds of star systems and galaxies.
They'll look back and say, these are the people that
adds a vision that they did all. It won't beat Japan,
it won't be China will be, Russia, won't be. Latin America, America,

(03:16):
Latin America, chill America. No, wrong America, wrong America. I
do love it. Seems like an Alex Jones's conception of
the world. Canada just kind of gets a free ride
onto the space train, like just just lumping them in.
They're they're white. Alex's world seems like a joke, but
that is where his head is at, so that is

(03:38):
kind of. Yeah, my favorite part of that, if I
remember that night correctly, that was he's stumbling around d
C and a little bit after that in the video,
he ends up running into a bunch of fans and
he almost catatonically shakes hands with people, like people keep
coming up doing like Alex Jones is like, how's it going,
But he's almost unconscious when he's talking to these people.

(03:59):
It's just it's a very weird dynamic he seems to
have with people. But I don't think anybody hates Alex
Jones listeners more than Alex Jones. He despises his his
fans so much. That actually gets us onto sort of
what we'll be talking about for a big chunk of
this episode, which is the contempt that he seems to
have for the people who have given him everything that

(04:19):
he has. Your God, It's uh, it's really quite remarkable.
I mean, when we last talked about Alex Jones on
my show. He'd just been kicked off of Twitter, Facebook, YouTube,
pretty much everything. Our episode three Partner ended with him
in a donkey mask shouting about the one point three
billion Islama strain and Satanism waiting get the border of
the country. Yeah. Yeah that night for they were there

(04:43):
and then suddenly they weren't very quickly surprised. Yeah they really.
Uh that was that was an impressive movement of one
point three billion people. Um with numbers is one of
the themes you're going to find if you ever look
too deeply into Alex doesn't under and math, language or numbers.
Those are fundamental problems. Great at shouting though, Really, if

(05:08):
there's one thing I can look up to the man
for as a shouter myself, he can really shout the
ship out of things. Yeah, one of the best. And uh,
that day, the day that I finished writing the script,
I think Info Wars made an announcement that they were
launching Uh info Wars, yes, which is Alex framed as
an incredible opportunity for his listeners and Wars Yeah. Uh,

(05:31):
he's selling you economic freedom. I don't know why you
don't want to be a small business owner. I don't
know why, I don't know you're at this. It's a
it's a proven system. Well yeah, info Wars Yes, since
our listeners probably don't pay much attention to Alex Jones
is essentially he's he's getting rid of info Wars Life,
it seems, his supplement line and replacing it with another

(05:53):
line of supplements sold by a company named Janesse Uh
not the Jenette that that Keith Ranieri, the guy who
started that nextium called that branded Women did, but a
different spelling of essentially the same pronunciation to make the
same result at the end of the day. Yeah, they're
both MLMs. They're they're both multi level marketing companies level

(06:16):
marketing company. He's gonna get branded at the end of it.
I'll tell you that right now. Well, I looked into
Jenness a little bit because you know, Alex claimed that
number one, their supplements were better than the supplements he
had been selling, which is uh, pretty interesting for Alex
to do. It's a strange business plan for him to
come out and insult his own line in favor of

(06:37):
this new line that he's bringing in. If he expects
to ever sell his old line ever again. That's very strange,
and I guess we'll get to that in a little bit,
but it does seem like this is almost the in
game of Info Wars. Maybe that's wishful thinking on my part,
but it looks like he's trying to basically cash in
on the audience that he has as fast as he can.

(06:57):
Because Janness is not a nice company. Um. I did
a little bit of digging into them. You did someone
on your show too, and it definitely shows the majority
of people, like with every MLM, don't make any money
or lose money on the business. I did go to
their website because I wanted to know how Jenness presents themselves.
Their mission statement is the Jenness Family creates positive impact

(07:19):
in the world by helping people look and feel young
while empowering each other to unleash our potential, which is
about as vague as you're going to find on anything,
doesn't I am sold, sir, you wanna be you wanna
unleash your potential to feel you? Yeah, I've always I've
always wondered why I haven't been unleashing my potential, And
it turns out Jenness has a way to go about it.
I assume I'm gonna get branded in a sex call

(07:41):
it here shortly right that and you're gonna get a
microbiotics skin mask. Now that sounds that's a double way
of funds back so well. And when you're branding yourself,
you really want the patented Jenness stem cell skin rejuvenation
uh tonic, Yeah, which is actually a thing they um,

(08:02):
this is actually branding yourself. Kind of works both ways
as a double meaning. Yeah, alright, yeah, we will talk
about the branding a little bit, because Jones made some
really interesting choices and had a brand info wars. Yes,
but I want to stay in Janess for just a
little bit longer. So I looked into the company's bio
and it says that it began in the hearts and

(08:22):
minds of visionaries Randy Ray and Wendy Lewis, having achieved
tremendous success and other enterprises. Basically, they created Jenness in
two thousand nine on September nine, nine at nine pm.
Because the number nine represents longevity for reasons that are
unclear to me, uh into supreme mathematics here, it does
seem like about this. I'm not a numerologer, but it

(08:47):
does seem that any number higher than nine would better
represent longevity than the number nine. I don't know. It's
the largest single digit number that makes perfect Okay, okay,
okayte it down on the board. Let's keep on. So
Mr Ray and Ms lewis because you know, they claimed
to have achieved tremendous success in other enterprises. So I
looked into what those other enterprises were. And they got

(09:10):
their start with Fuel Freedom International, which was an MLM
that sold pills you put in your car's gas tank
to give it better mileag Wait, hold on, ye say
that one more time? They started what fuel Freedom International
and MLM that sells pills that you put in your
car to give it better gas mileage. Look, you take
aspir in. Your car needs aspir and everybody knows that

(09:30):
makes perfect sense. What are you gonna do if you're
not drugg in your car? Just leaving money on the
table with a sober car testing your car? Um, your honor,
My car was drunk. Come on, it was drunk so
it would drive further. Uh So the claim that fuel

(09:52):
Freedom made was that the their car pill technology was
invented by NASA in the nineteen seventies, although there's zero
evidence for this claim. There's also zero evidence that the
magical car pills ever worked and people did try to
study that, so again it seems like they were just
selling nonsense magic for your gas tank. Now, in two
thousand nine, Mr Ray and Miss Lewis got together with
a Beverly Hills doctor to make an anti aging face

(10:14):
cream made out of stem cells, and if since then
cashed in very successfully on people's fears of getting old.
The weirdest sequel to Beverly Hills Cop Beverly Hills Doctor,
stem cell doctor. You know you give John d. Reinhold
his own franchise, and you know you're going to run
into trouble. You know, it says a lot about you
that you picked Beverly Hills Cop as the Beverly Hills

(10:34):
movie to call this a sequel to, and not Beverly
Hills Ninja, the Chris Farley classic. Do you mean the
greatest movie ever made? Come on, I was going to
go with Hills shows where my mind is that? So
Janess's business did grow wildly over the mid Oughts and
made hundreds of millions of dollars. Like in thinking two

(10:57):
thirteen or fourteen, they were showing like a four growth
rate year over year, but it seems to have tapered
off recently, in part due to the fact that they
are super shady. So I did some reading within the
m l M community to just to try to see
how this company was looked at by people who are
into multi level marketing, and I found a site called
behind m l M and they one of the things

(11:19):
they note is that Jenness has a history of quote
cutting secret backroom deals with high profile affiliates, which means
that they basically go after people with big audiences and
pay them thousands of dollars in order to get access
to their audience, which seems to be exactly what's going
on with Alex Jones right now. It's the scientology business model,
I believe. Yeah, find someone famous and then their fans

(11:39):
will pay you money exactly, Yeah, yeah, yeah. So behind
m LM talks about one other personality that Jinnest sort
of poached from a different MLM and they paid him
fifteen thousand dollars a month in order to generate tens
of thousands of leads. And I think Alex Jones, even
after the cut down in his traffic, still is something
like seven hundred thousand unique views on like a monthly

(12:02):
basis to info Wars. So he it's possible he's getting
a lot more than fifteen grand a month, since she
seems to have the ability to drive a little bit
more traffic. But it also seems unlikely that he's getting
a whole lot more than that. And I know that.
In that there's a two hour interview Jones did drunk
with another David Patrick Patrick Bet David the surprisingly good

(12:25):
interviewer slash marketing con man. We we were listening to
that video just going like, what the ship? How is
this the best interview that Alex? The best interview for
Alex was, was this guy actually pushing back just like Alex? Alex? Yeah,
really you considered that maybe some of this is your fault.

(12:46):
Really held his feet to the fire on something I know. Yeah, shock.
And in that interview, Jones claimed that he lost about
ten million dollars in ad deals in the first month
of Trump's presidency. I will tell you that that number
is slightly eer than what he cited at the time.
But he is he has a habit of, like I said,
he's bad with numbers. But he also mythologizes himself quite

(13:07):
a bit, so by this point, him expanding it to
ten million dollars makes a whole lot of sense. But
I think it was only like a couple of million
back then. I think he's at least multiplied it by
a few I feel like that's every time he cites
a number, When he cites that same thing, in the future,
he'll double or so the number like at least increase.
And you know that's cumulative over time, So I'm sure

(13:28):
he'll be thirty or forty million down. You know, in
a year from now, you might actually be forty million
do well, yeah, from now. So that is what I
want to get into, because um, yeah. The New York
Times noted and this was like a September fourteenth report
that uh in fo war has had a daily average
about one point four million visits to its website before
the August six bands, and that by September mid September,

(13:51):
they were down by about half. So it seems like
the bands cut their traffic in half, which is obviously
going to cut his revenue in half. And while I
doubt he lost ten million dollars in a month, it
seems pretty probable that he did lose a lot of
money as a result of his his increased visibility and
and the d platforming and whatnot. So I always find
it interesting when he lies about something that he absolutely

(14:13):
doesn't need to lie about, like two million dollars. If
you lost two million dollars in a month, that's still
a ship ton of money. But he has to say, oh,
it's ten million dollars. Like why, it's like fish stories man,
you know, like still a big fish. Yeah. Yet yeah,
it's like it's like, I mean, it's He also has
to kind of lie about his influence, even though there's

(14:36):
plenty of things he has to legitimately claim, like that
he's influenced. I don't know. He does seem to have
like some sort of allergic prohibition against telling the truth.
It's it's kind of weird. Um, but yeah, nobody would
ever elect a guy like that president. I'll tell you that.
You know, he would never get further than having a
weird show on the radio. Uh So, anyway, that like,

(14:58):
it's it definitely seems likely that this partnership with Janesse
came out of a severe cash crunch for Jones. Like
that's the picture I'm getting as I look at this,
because we know as and revenues down. We know, it
seemed like if he's willing to give up in full
Wars Life, it means those sales have probably fallen significantly. Well,
I I think that you're you're thinking is probably pretty

(15:20):
correct on that. But my my theory is that Info
Wars Life was all done through his weird doctor friend
who's actually a chiropractor Doctor Group. Yeah, Dr It's it's
all done through the global Healing center that Doctor Group runs.
He has all his products and then Alex makes a
different name for them and sells them on Info Wars Life.
And my theory is basically, once Alex got kicked off

(15:42):
of everything, Dr Group realized there's nothing in this for
me anymore, so he wanted to stop his dual branding
with Alex. So Alex probably didn't have as much of
a choice as it appears with Info Wars Life going away,
because now he can't private label all this like super
Male Vitality and Throplex all of his interesting because I
noticed uh decrease in appearances by Doctor Group, especially in

(16:08):
the last like nine months or so, whereas he used
to come on and do infomercials fairly regularly. Um so
I mean that seems really consistent though, with Alex Jones's character,
because if dr Group has pulled away from Jones and isn't,
you know, willing to work with him in the same
extent that he used to be, it would make sense
that Jones is calling those supplements not as good as

(16:30):
the ones like that he would be willing to throw
not just Group, but the products under the bus, because
that's very mentioned Jones's character. It fits the pettiness that
we've we've seen for a long time, and Alex Is
jumping from thing to thing is pretty consistent throughout his career.
Like you, he used to be basically a gold salesman
for Midas Resources. Ted Anderson runs this gold company called

(16:53):
Midas Resources that also owned Genesis Communications Network that would
distribute Alex's show. In September of Ted lost his gold license.
So for totally non criminal reasons. I don't know why
that would be the first place your head jumped to.
A guy just lost his gold bullion sales license. That's

(17:16):
just normal ship that happens. He forgot to re up
with the government. Come on, Jordan is not correct on
that there were some shady dealings being done by so
he wasn't allowed to sell gold anymore. He and so
he ended up becoming actually he sells like bulk beef
now and it's a very mightas resources, a very strange
place into now I've always called beef red gold. I

(17:38):
mean that's yeah, it's the gold of your stomach. So
when when Ted lost his gold bullyon license, Alex immediately
almost like two weeks after that, I believe did a
money bomb and it was just sort of out of nowhere. Also,
right around the end of the fiscal year when you
got to get your taxes together. Uh so he there's

(17:59):
that influence. And a little bit after that is when
a lot of the the supplement sales went into overdrive.
Though he had already started that end of the business
a year prior, it wasn't pushed nearly as hard as
it was after and onwards. So I've noticed a weird
trend of him like sort of leap frogging from cash

(18:22):
cows kind of yeah, yeah, yeah, And I gotta say
just to a little aside, but it's really one of
the things that's most frustrated to me about eighteen is
like I spent like I'm gonna guess you did as well.
A lot of my late teen years in early twenties
and like the weird conspiracy corners of the Internet. I
have fond memories of those days. And yeah, I have

(18:44):
really fond memories of using like weird libertarian gold e
currency to buy drugs off the internet from Canada. And
now that's all ruined because it's all turned into this
like right wing like this like funding machine for malicious basically,
like it's all it's just such a bummer, Like I
want to think back fondly about using the gold to

(19:04):
buy two c I, but it's just it's it's it's
been corrupted now by the nothing gold can last, as
nothing egold can stay. My my disappointment comes from losing
my favorite advertiser that he ever had, which was a
Diamond gust of jeans. Do you know diamonds. I have
heard Diamond Gussete jeans on y'all show the ads for them,

(19:28):
incredible songs. But my favorite part was when he was
doing research into Diamond Gusta jeans. He found all these
reviews and they were consistent in one thing, which is
that whatever pants eze you ordered, that would be the
only pant's eyes you did not receive. It was a
random pants generator and that makes me so happy for

(19:48):
some like animalistic reason, I need to never know what
pants eye I'm gonna wear. You don't need to worry
about it because they're still a sponsor of the Genesis Communications. Now,
well then see there we go. That relationship business still around.
Everybody loves American jeans, timing, Goss, subscriptions all around. I'm

(20:10):
buying around for everybody who listens to the show. I
just I want to know where you have to be
in your life that you buy pants through the radio.
That's a patriot. That's where you have to be. Okay. Um, So,
driving us back to Janess just a little bit, it
does seem that there's some current desperation for steady monthly
income and Alex Jones, I like you. You point out,

(20:32):
he's leap frog from a lot of cash cows over
the years, but it seems like now one of the
things that's new is that he's willing to burn his
audience to get it. Because Janese is not a nice company.
Not that there are nice MLMs, but just this August
they settled a two and a half million dollar class
action lawsuit, and the plaintiffs in that lawsuit alleged that
Janess was quote a misleading business opportunity disguised as a

(20:54):
legitimate way to make money, which seems like a reckless
thing for Jones to do with his audience, which is
already dwindled as a result of everything that's happened. The
problem with that description of Jana's to be in a
lawsuit is like, that's also a one way to describe capitalism, right, well,
that's leading way to It's one of those things like

(21:16):
at the basic level, like Okay, you work a job
and use the money you get to that job that
you're paid for your level to labor to buy goods
and services. There are complaints you can have about that
level of capitalism, which is different than like an MLM,
where it's like, no, you would buy a bunch of
products and the whole goal is to trick you into
thinking that this will make you rich, but you never
make a dime. There's scams and then there's scams on scams. Yeah.

(21:38):
The thing I would think about your your characterization of
him being willing to like sort of take a risk
with his audience like this, I don't think that that's
out of character for him at all. Even on your
episodes and you were going over his supplements, you guys
talked about how there was a bunch of lead and
you're right, you're right, and a lot of the stuff
that he sold were we're pretty bunk, even without the

(22:02):
idea that there's heavy metals in them. You know, just
the the actual thing isn't going to get the result
that he is saying you probably will, so I think
for years he's he's been perfectly willing to endanger people
um to make a bottom line. But it does seem
like that's a little bit more of a subtle Like,
for one thing, lead poison is just going to make
you a better Info Wars consumers. It's not gonna hurt

(22:24):
your ability to enjoy Alex Jones's content. Yeah, But like
the supplement industry is gigantic as a scam. Like obviously
there's some vitamin supplements that can be useful, but like
it's mostly bullshit. And that's my favorite. Are the paint chips.
Have you ever eaten those? It's like they're kettle cooked

(22:46):
paint chips. They're they're delicious. You get a you get
a little bit of brown on them. Perfect favorite weird
fact about pain chips less lead than Alex Jones's supplements.
Earth iodine is made of lead. Okay, So I gotta
I gotta tune us out for an AD break right
now for some some products and uh, you know services,

(23:08):
the capitalism stuff that we're talking about, but not the
MLM version of capitalism. This is That is an AD pivot,
my friend. That is the way you do it. And
we're pivoted, and we're back. We're back, and we're talking

(23:31):
about Alex Jones. Uh and we are I want to
get into how Alex has chosen to brand info Wars Yes,
because it's really interesting to me. Are you talking about
the weird red lettering? Very it seems very off off
style for him. It all seems off style to him. Um, Like,
you know, like infu Wars Life products used terms like
shield force defense and it was all very militarized. It

(23:53):
looked almost like like most of the products on Info
Wars Life looked like something you might pick up in
like a first person shooter video game as a power
are up. Like, yeah, infull Wars Yes looks like it's
aimed at like middle aged housewives. Uh, not that that's
a bad thing. But like the picture of Alex Jones
in the Info Wars Yes banner ad that I sent

(24:13):
you guys, he's clean shaven, it looks like it was
taken about fifteen years ago, and the color tone is
like a really light, calming blue um and it's it's
not at all. Yeah, he's safe and healthy and young.
Well you went with info Wars Yes because Info Wars
tupper wear was actually already taken. Did you guys know

(24:33):
that info Wars Yes is a is an acronym. Yeah,
it's like Youth Enhancement System nailed it. How do you know?
I know a lot of things you only know a
little bit. So the youth Enhancement System is the centerpiece
of what Jeness claims to offer Alex's fans. And so

(24:56):
there's a bunch of different products that you're supposed to
take for all of the different ways that you can
get younger if you take the drugs Alex Jones wants
to sell you from this company. And the most striking
product that I found is the Finity pills, which you'll
die sometime, it seems, yeah, like the pictures on the

(25:16):
pills are like young couples. They're doing everything they can
the branding to make it look like this will make
you live longer without actually lying and say that this
will extend your life, because then the FDA will get
on their asses. There's there's laws about certain claims, but
you can call a thing finity, infinity and nowhere else.

(25:38):
I'm gonna guess by the spelling that the only reason
they didn't go with infinity is that that would have
been like infringing on the cars. Coyright. He also has
a brand of cars named Paula. Yeah, he stops there,
the Paulas, and don't forget his undies. So I looked

(26:00):
into the ingredients of the Finity pills because it seems
to be the centerpiece of the strange life youth enhancement
systems Alex Jones is trying to sell. Includes astrologous root extract,
which is supposed to be good for your immune system
and particularly famous for your heart. It's like a Chinese
medicinal herb, but there are quote no high quality studies

(26:20):
in people, so there's no evidence of any health benefits.
It costs about two dollars and seventy five cents an ounce.
There's co enzyme Q ten, which costs about twenty dollars
for sixty pills. There's quite an extract which is seaweed extract,
a little less than twenty bucks for sixty pills. There's
Potero pure, which is an antioxidant found in blueberries, which
is slightly cheaper than those other two pills. And then

(26:43):
you know like tumeric and a number of other very
very inexpensive herbs. You guys want to guess the total
price for sixty capsules of affinity? How much does a
house cost? We are all millennials. None of us know
that I'm gonna put it just south of that. It
is a hundred for sixty capsules. Uh Now, now you're

(27:07):
supposed to take to a day, so that is basically
more than an average cell phone bill in order to
get one set of the medications that they recommend you
take with the the YES program. So that's fun. Phone
doesn't make you young, doesn't know, It just gives you
head cancer. So throw your phone away by finity. Um, Now,

(27:29):
Phone doesn't make you young is my favorite song from
the Seven Days? Do you remember that one? When it
swept the swept of the charts. I should note for
fairness that if you're a distributor, it's only a hundred
and eight dollars a bottle, so it's a steel So
that seems to be the angle Jones is going for here.
And I do have a little bit of a conspiracy
when it comes to the marketing of info Wars Yes, because,

(27:50):
as I noted before, in all of the pictures of
Alex on the info Wars Yes site, he looks like
about ten to fifteen years younger than he is. He's
also clean shaven and in really trim, So I did
a picture has been heavily airbrushed or they just picked
a younger picture of Alex Jones or both or both
or both, yeah, And I think this is done in

(28:11):
order to create the illusion that Jones has wrinkled and
careworn face has been d aged by Janess's remarkable products.
And if that is the angle that they were going for,
I have to imagine that Janess was not happy to
see Alex Jones give a two hour interview to an
MLM salesman named Patrick bet David. Because in that video
I included just a random screen grab from it that

(28:34):
will also have up on the site. Alex Jones looks
like he has aged about twenty years in the last
six months. Like, oh yeah, I don't like to critique
people's appearance, but I believe on our show, I said
he looked like trash, like he was slouched over and
clearly drunk. It was a mess. He looks like a
middle aged man who has been drinking way too much.
Uh well, it looks like that that cartoon version of

(28:57):
a hobo on the side of the street who's he's
a pink elephant walked by and then looks at his
brown paper bag and like throws it in the garbage,
like his giant red nose is incredible. Never throw away
that bottle. And I will say one of the things
that makes me he's the best way to describe him
is if that cartoon hobo saw all these pink elephants

(29:19):
is like hell yeah, and just kept drinking out of
that brown I love me an elephant. Yeah, big elephants.
One of the things that concerns me a little bit
is that, you know, if you remember that wonderful forest
bathing video Alex Jones did shirtless out in the out
in the woods, he looks for a guy in his forties,
relatively fit in that video. He's certainly not massively overweight

(29:42):
or anything like that. He doesn't look unhealthy. He looks
like he has aged way more than two years in
the time since that video was taken. Um. You know,
you know how there are some people in the world who, like,
you get him at the right angle and they kind
of look great. You look at him a different angle,
it's kind of oh boy. Yeah. I think Alex is
very much like that. Like, he has the kind of
stocky body that if he sort of pulls it in

(30:03):
a little bit, he doesn't look like if he has
good posture and is trying to present himself, he looks
bad but not terrible. But then if he's drunk talking
to Patrick bat David, he looks like like like a hobo. Yeah, yeah,
and he does look like a hobo. One of the
things I noticed in that interview is that he claimed
repeatedly that they've never had more hardcore listeners than they

(30:24):
do right now after the purchase, And that interview was
posted the day after The New York Times posted that
article about how their traffics fallen by more than half,
which is there's just a fun little side side known here.
I do think probably the most interesting thing to me,
because like, obviously the thing that got the most coverage
in that video was Alex saying he was ready to

(30:44):
die repeatedly. I'm ready, I'm ready to die. I'm ready.
And if my kids get, if my kids get, they're
gonna kill my kids. I think. Anyways, I'm I'm a
positive guy. What what were we talking about? Major major
league marketing? Is that what we're doing? I don't know.
I will note that there is one moment in that

(31:05):
whole interview where Alex seems to react with genuine horror
and empathy, and it's when Patrick Beck David talks about
the time that he lost his voice for ninety days
and Alex's like, Alex's response is very genuine, and he
seems horrified by the thought of not being able to talk, which, well, yes,
but if you recalled, he was drunk drunk. As Patrick

(31:28):
is telling that story, Alex takes a big bite out
of an apple and says life is very fragile with
a mouthful of apple, and we're going then it's kind
of for me when I look at somebody like you,
I lost my voice for ninety days four years ago, okay,
and if you're running a business, then you're selling you

(31:49):
speaking all the time. I mean, that's not good. They
thought it was a cancer at to go. It was benign.
They did a surgery. I lost my voice Thanksgiving. I
couldn't talk for ninety days. Voice was gone. I can
speak at all, And so for me, it's a genuine
rate for me to sit back and rize. You know,
the smallest little thing is a big part of your life.
So I felt like, if I can't speak right, I

(32:11):
can't speak, what do I do today? Five billions were
a lot of wisdom there, Alex. It's the perfect intersection
of being rude and empathic at the same time. It's
just those are, oh my god, that's awful. That's something

(32:32):
happened to somebody who's not me. Anyways, This apple is delicious.
So there is a point in that interview where Alex
gives I think what I think is a really insightful
and accurate answer to a question. I don't think he
means to. I think it's just part of his spield,
but I think it's one of those It's like how
he accidentally proticted nine eleven because he just has been
predicting disaster every day for the last twelve years. There's

(32:56):
a moment where Patrick bet David asks him why the
globalists just haven't had him it yet if he's such
a threat to their schemes, and Alex notes, because they
thought I was a joke, like a poison. I titrated
and it's the way God works, It isn't me And
I do think that's why none of the people politically
who were harmed in a serious way by the influence
that Jones has gathered took him seriously until after the

(33:18):
twenty sixteen election, because we all just thought he was silly. Yeah,
I agree. I agree with his assessment pretty fully. But
at the same time, it's interesting to like, until very recently,
his answer to why isn't he dead yet was that
he's too popular to kill. Yeah, so like, it's interesting
that he's even shifted that to a more introspective, actual

(33:41):
searching answer than just like I would be too much
of a problem. Yeah, it's like, no, no, I was insidious.
I I flew under the radar as a goofy clown. Um.
It's it's also really interesting to me how his go
to description of himself is as a poison. That's just
kind of fun, uh, especially for someone lead lead based pills. Um. So, now,

(34:06):
I just listened to y'all's latest episode of Knowledge Fight
where you covered episode and you revealed that Alex has
There's so many new schemes coming out of Alex Jones
that it's hard to to keep track of them. Also,
I'm glad I listened to this one before this episode
because he is now getting into the meme making business,
which is the machine. It's really it seems like he's

(34:26):
trying to brand himself as the new site of four
Chance poll Board because like one of the things that
I saw the last time I visited info Wars, if
you're paying attention to the dark, gross right wing corners
of the Internet, there's a meme. The NPC meme has
has gone viral recently, which is basically, everyone who isn't
a really far right wing ship poster is is an

(34:47):
inhuman thing incapable of independent thought. Uh, and so we
described them as a non player character. There were like
five or six different articles on info Wars that all
included the term NPC when I visited last That's is
this meme is going to change the world. It's big stuff.
But did you get one? Did anyone do that to
you anyone? I have not yet? No, no, no, no.

(35:13):
I know that Jared Holt got the MPC treatment. Great. Yeah,
I remember him posting something about that and I thought, like,
all right, he seems to be taking that in stride. No,
I've gotten a number of like I was doing reporting
on a four chance poll board back and in two
thou sixteen. I got a number of death threats back then,
but I haven't gotten I don't know. Maybe I have

(35:33):
got an MPC. Mean, nobody shared it with me on
Twitter and I rarely go to pole directly. Um yeah, Mark, Yeah,
but uh, it is interesting, like he's he's announced that
he's starting a whole new section of the site that's
going to be focused around memes. And he just announced
just me, just memes, because that's what it's what defeats
the globalists. They don't they want you to use emojis.

(35:55):
They want you to use emoji when and that is
what the globalists have always wanted, that that ship emoji
that's nowhere near as good as the ship meme. So
he explained the emoji thing because I didn't even catch
that on this is that what he's saying, well, Robert, ye,
what you need to understand is that the Fabian socialists, uh,

(36:17):
they are still actively involved in manipulating the world, and
they want all of us to use emojis because they
restrict language, because that smiley face can only mean a
smiley face. It just means you're smiling, whereas memes can
mean anything. They have if there's creativity within me, I
don't know. That's basically what he's trying to say. But

(36:38):
I don't I don't know if I believe it. I
know I don't believe it. But yeah, that's his angle
he's trying to make. I think it's very thin. And
also I should say this, there's no way that part
of the website is ever going to get made. That
was Alex talking ship. That's not going to happen. Do
you think there's gonna be a ten thousand dollar cause
he announced a ten thousand dollar prize that he was
personally going to give to the best meme. Has announced

(37:00):
so many multi thousand dollar prizes, no one I think
has ever collected on any one of those. There was
that that whenever Kathy Griffin made that distasteful picture with
Trump's head distasteful and heavy scare quotes. Yeah, Alex had
Mike Sernovich on and they were going to start a
contest where they were trying to get people to get

(37:21):
homeless people to walk around with CNN is isis shirts
and somehow they would reward people for getting homeless people
to be walking billboards. That plan was to get homeless
people to do it. Yeah, what kind of nonsense plan
is that it was? It was pretty gross. It was
pretty gross to hear. But we're gonna kill two birds
with one stone. We're gonna clothe the homeless and we're

(37:42):
gonna take Hillary down. That makes perfect sense. That literally
was their angle. Yeah, And so they do this all
the time. They come up with these weird ruses and
media stunts, and almost never are they followed through with,
except for the bill Clinton is a rapist one. That's
the that's the only one that really people followed through with,
And apparently Alex did pay people for that. So I

(38:04):
do want to ask you, uh Jordan, in particular, like
one of the things you all have been doing on
your show that I think is really interesting is trying
to trace back the origins of like nowadays pretty much
constantly Alex Jones mentions George Soros, he's like the big
boogeyman on Info Wars, and that has not always been
the case. Uh, And I think you'll you'll documented it

(38:24):
somewhere around two thousand nine, two doesn't ten is when
he first started talking about Soros. But even then he
was mentioning that the guy was really low on the
totem pole. The first time that we've I mean, obviously
he's been doing the show for whatever amount of years. Yeah,
but the first time that we've heard of Soros, because
Dan has been conducting a an insanely thorough investigation of

(38:48):
two thousand nine, which the ostensible point is to figure
out when he joins up with the tea party. And
we're three months past when the tea party started, and
we've all all we've heard is nonsense. So we finally
hear from one of his callers, I believe, like, hey,
you hear about that Soros cat, and Alex is like, yeah,
Soros is bad, moving on and never speaking of this again.

(39:09):
That was it. And then later on in he's claiming
that he's known about Sorrows since the eighties, when PBS
used to run a week long documentary series about how
Soros is the most evil human being that there's ever been. Yeah,
his story has changed considerably. Yeah in two thousand nine.

(39:29):
The best I can tell, at least at the point
that that we've been looking into it. The only thing
that he ever has mentioned Soros about is there is
a clip that came out of George Soros talking at
the Davos meeting, and he mentioned the ramifications of the
dropping price of oil that we experienced back then, and
he was talking about how one of the after effects

(39:52):
are going to see is that a lot of the
countries that support rogue activity around the globe that are
funded by oil enter ASTs and names in the number
of countries and notably points out Russia as being one
of them. Those countries have limited resources to use because
they're not making as much as they used to after
the oil price has gone down, and Alex says, George

(40:16):
Soros is admitting that he crashed oil in order to
punish these countries, which doesn't reflect the clip at all.
But he doesn't really talk much about it at all.
It's just sort of like a little piece he throws
in and then doesn't mention him at all, and then
we flashed forward to November when Glenn Beck did his uh,
his disgraceful George Soros puppet master report on Fox News,

(40:40):
and what we found was Alex's response was, this is laughable.
You think George Soros is a big deal. He's middle management. Basically,
he's like, he doesn't matter. George Soros doesn't make decisions.
He's he's a hanger on with the globalists. And so
to short version, I guess is we don't really know
at this point exactly when he starts turning him into

(41:03):
the demonic head of his enemy team. But it definitely
has not been consistent. See, and that's really because in
the in that old stuff, like one of the things
I know he mentioned when he was talking about Soroce
is that he was part of the left wing of
the buzzard or whatever that is, the globalist conspiracy to
destroy all freedom and whatnot. And that's the most interesting

(41:23):
thing to me about Alex's evolution over time is how
he went from this guy who was like the left
and the right are both equally full of ship, and
they're they're both equally bad and part of this giant conspiracy.
And you know, the real important thing is, you know,
freeing yourself from the New World Order, and he has
completely gotten off that train now it seems like like
he's not. I mean, I guess he probably still does

(41:44):
use the New World Order phrasing, but he's become a
completely partisan creature now, which is almost like kind of
a heartbreaking journey for him, because it appears to be heartbreaking.
But I think that the reality is that one thing
that we didn't expect when we started looking back through
time is that if you look at what what's motivating him,

(42:06):
even behind the right left paradigm being an illusion and
stuff like that, is that, like the reason that they're
both bad is that they both want to infringe on whiteness.
There is a consistent white identity defensiveness that characterizes Alex
throughout all of his career that I'm able to to
look into. And so my feeling on him formerly being

(42:28):
like the right and the left both suck and now
him being super conservative is more a reflection of how
far the right has gone down towards what he's into,
which is defending guns vociferously and being super into straight,
white male Christian identity. So I think I think that
he was waiting for a team to emerge that he

(42:49):
could be a part of. And there wasn't a team.
There was just basically Ron Paul that was someone he
could be like, that guy is good. No, before we
started doing this this oh the you know, all I
knew about Alex Jones was essentially like, hey, here's this
crazy guy who spouts conspiracy theories on on the radio.
And as we keep going back through different eras of

(43:12):
this time, the only thing that's consistent is white supremacy.
So whenever he's going back and saying like, oh I
hate George W. Bush, it's not about the rights policies
in any way. It's about George W. Bush outwardly saying
like maybe we should still make an inclusive world even
though he's not acting it. But now that somebody is

(43:34):
out and out saying like, have you considered that being
Nazi is great? He's like, yes, I have considered that,
and I agree that actually makes him make a lot
more sense. And I want to, uh, I wanna. I
want to move into I know you guys have some
clips that you have you have curated, and I'm excited
to talk about those. But before we treat our listeners
to some more of the best of Alex Jones. Uh,

(43:58):
it's time to treat them to the best of some ads. Okay,
we're back. We're talking about Alex Jones, and Dan and
Jordan have been doing this for years. You listen to
hundreds of episodes of Alex Jones, and you've come across
some pretty objectively insane things that a casual Jones researcher

(44:20):
like myself could never have hoped to find. So I'm
just going to hand things over to you. So why
don't you set up some of these clips for us
and explain what sort of bounty we have for our
listeners today. Certainly a crossover. But before I get into this,
I want to say I thought that your episodes are
really insightful and very on point um. But two things

(44:42):
I wanted to point out. We're one um. When you
mentioned the info Wards human resource director, it's worth noting
that that's Alex Jones's dad is their human resource director,
So that's one thing. He's very hands on. It's really nice.
It's a natural step from paying off the people that
beat up your son to not complain that he's bled
on their shirt to directing HR for his company. H C.

(45:06):
I a dentist info wars HR. That makes perfect sense.
It also implies he might be a little bit biased
about harassment complaints when it's my employee and my son
who is being complained about. And then the second thing
was I believe in the first episode came up that
Alex might be a DJ UM and this is a
big misunderstanding. His cousin, Buckley is a DJ and the

(45:31):
most important piece of information anyone needs to know about
info wars. Buckley surprisingly not a terrible DJ. He's terrible, terrible.
He has a SoundCloud it's Buckley Hammond h A M
M A N and it banks It's pretty good. He's
he's pretty talented, but I'm sorry. He's also noted multiple

(45:52):
times on the sexual harassment UH complaints. Oh yeah, he
sounds like a horrible persons. Yeah, always goes though, so UM.
I guess the best place to start out would be UM.
One of the first things I wanted to learn about
was what the path from Alex being this weirdo conspiracy

(46:17):
guy to being Trump's propagandist. I wanted to experience what
that journey was like. So we went back and listened
from the day of that Trump announced his candidacy to
the point where he says it's Trump or die um
and we experienced that ride. But one of the things
that I never expected was when he announces his candidacy,

(46:37):
Alex doesn't give a ship. He doesn't care at all.
He doesn't even say anything about it on the day
he announces. But on July three, he finally starts talking
about Trump's candidacy, and he says this, you go and
you show it at the university, four or five palace
size houses, forty million million, you name it. You say,

(47:00):
is this Donald Trump's sure? Butody thinks he's a rich guy.
The guy's literally nothing, kind of just a front man
for some consortiums on the East Coast. I'll leave it
at that. Oh yeah, Trump's piece of work. Folks. Huh
they go in there. It's just mind blow. I don't

(47:22):
even know what to say anymore. So his initial position
on it is that Trump is he's mobbed up. He
starts talking, uh, yeah, absolutely. It seems like a rare
instance information a few times where it's like, oh yeah, no,
you fucking nailed it. Kind of course, four months later
he's like, Trump is the best guy that's ever said Yeah,

(47:46):
so you see him for a while being kind of
like dismissive of the entire candidacy. As Trump's rhetoric gets
more towards what he likes to see in terms of
being kind of cruel to uh, non white Christian straight Males'
is like, oh, this is interesting. And then as some
of these influencers Steve Pochanic, Roger Stone, Um, I believe

(48:08):
Eric Prince also though he never shows up on the show,
there's definitely indications Alex has made that he was one
of his sources. And I do want to drill into
that a little bit. The Eric Prince, Roger Stone, Alex
like how Alex Jones ties into the Goosafer stuff because
that's something I didn't get into at all because I
wasn't really I didn't really know much about it until
I listened to y'all talking about it. And that's can

(48:29):
you break that down from me? I can try. It's
gonna involve a little bit of conjecture because you kind
of have to put together the pieces of stray things
that people have said on Alex's show. Roger Stone and
Steve Pochenek, who is a former psy op expert for
the State Department, who is now a guy who's running
psy ops on Alex on his broadcast, Uh, the two

(48:52):
of them have multiple times on the show referenced something
that they call the Group or the forty five group,
and talk about how they got together and put plans
in motion in order to get Trump into office. I
don't know for sure, but it appears, based on the
rhetoric that Steve Pochenek has said on the show, that

(49:12):
Erik Prince may or may not be a part of
that group as well or in some way working with them,
Because one of the Alex's big things was this idea
of there was a soft coup going on within the
government against Hillary Clinton, and his belief about it is
is basically that their forces within the military that we're

(49:35):
working with Russia and ASSAD in order to crush ISIS
and they did this behind the back of Obama. And
when you really sort through the muck and you see
like what comes through the sifter, it appears that probably
Erik Prince, as a guy who runs a mercenary organization,
may have made a deal with Russia in some way.

(49:58):
And this is what's being translated to Alex as our
military made a deal in order to fight isis so crazy.
I believe a lot of this information that clearly relates
to Erik Prince is being filtered through Steve Pochenek and
being translated onto Alex's broadcast as the idea that there

(50:19):
are patriots within these communities that are fighting back against
the globalist Hillary Clinton forces, and so that makes him
think that he has like real legitimate backing within the
government when it appears that well, unfortunately now is the case. Yeah.
So the most fun thing about Roger Stone calling something

(50:40):
the group of is that you you can place that
within such a wide spectrum. It could literally be a
Facebook group chat, or it could be an eyes wide
shut orgy and there's it could be anywhere in between.
Roger Stone is that guy of, Like it could be
so boring, or it could be the weirdest sex party.

(51:01):
Because I know, I can't believe that Alex Jones has
not been to a party that was shot for shot
indistinguishable from the one in Ice Wide Shot. Um, like
that's his Thursday. Uh, He's just that kind of guy. Um.
I got with Charlie Sheen during his most wild times
and uh is now good friends with Roger Stone, it

(51:22):
seems I mean, it's I don't think that Alex doesn't
like to party, do you guys notorious for not having
any sexually transmitted infections at all. So with the like,
it seems like Jones was essentially used as like the
dissemination point for some of this hacked information that like
Roger Stone may have been a broker from like that's

(51:42):
kind of the rough picture you can put together. It
appears so. And in Roger Stones case specifically, we went
back to the day, uh that when when all that
information came out about Roger Stones context with Goose for
two point oh. We went back to I believe it
was August sixteen, that right, Roger Stone calls it the
day the music died. I believe. Yeah, we went back

(52:05):
to that day and we found Alex teasing secret information
that and it ends up being what Wiki leaks puts out.
So there there is an indication that he has got
contact from Roger Stone, that Roger has made contact with
this other source. And mysteriously, even before the YouTube channel
was taken down, that episode is one of the only
ones that wasn't available on his YouTube channel that day

(52:28):
had been taken down or hidden somehow, but generally I
used to be able to find all of his episodes
just easily on YouTube, and that one I actually had
to dig for. That's really interesting. It's suspicious. It doesn't
prove anything, but it's suspicious. No, And it's a more
believable conspiracy than anything I've heard from Alex Jones in
quite a while. And I should say that it does

(52:51):
sound conspiratorial to say, like, there's this group or what
have you, and I wouldn't feel comfortable saying it if
it weren't something that was brought up by multiple guests
of Alex Jones's show that publicly pretend they don't know
each other. So it seems incongruous that Steve Pochenk and
Roger Stone would both be on the show and before

(53:12):
that point be very clearly saying that they don't know
each other and referencing the same group of people who
are pushing behind the scenes for Trump to be president.
Best argument against that, though, is if it is an
eyes wide shut orgy, everybody's wearing masks, that's true, everybody's
wearing masks. You don't know. Steve Pachet could have been
inside Roger Stone and neither of them. Know, yeah, sometimes

(53:37):
you're running a political campaign. Sometimes you're sucking a scyops director.
It all happens. I thought you were going to say,
running a train on a side. So, uh, you want
to set up the next clip? Uh? Yeah, what's this one?
This one? The clip title is augusteen, Alex sort of

(54:00):
confesses to murder. This is one of the weirdest clips
that we've ever encountered on the show, and it is
in the middle of an episode that has nothing to
do with this sort of topic, but Alex confesses, Uh,
it might have been involved in the crime. Google would

(54:20):
love to have me arrested and killed. Garrol t she
I've never killed anybody technically one guy, proper layer, but
technically out of the point is I've never killed anyone,
and people have helped trying to kill millions. Now I've

(54:43):
never killed a guy. Maybe one Wait wait, what what
do we get any more to tail out of that?
Because I have no trouble believing Alex Jones killed a guy. Uh.
A number of our listeners have spent sculated that what
he's referring to is like he's talked about, like as

(55:04):
a younger man bashing someone's head into the concrete and
then like you you even mentioned that you put a
guy into a coma, and there's a decent chance that
maybe that person died later of medical complications, and Alex
considers that to be like, I kind of killed that guy.
He put it into a coma. Yeah, I believe I
thought you did. His dad paid off some people. Uh,

(55:27):
one of them was a guy that Alex put into
a coma. Oh no, I was talking about the There
was a police report from like, t what's that you're
talking about? Space Hitler. Yes, Space Hitler, the fight with
Space Hitler. Because it doesn't seem like anyone got really
hurt with that. I had no idea he put a
guy in a coma. There's another story that Alex tells about.
He presents it as he was being bullied and picked

(55:49):
on and then the bully didn't realize that he could go,
and so he didn't. He couldn't stop himself. When the
rage got in him, he was bashing his head into
the concrete and put him into a coma, and his
dad ended up getting sued because that guy's dad sued him.
But it appears that it would be when he was
a juvenile so it wouldn't appear in like open records
or anything, because I found no evidence of that in

(56:11):
any of the and people have dug pretty deep into
his into his background, but um man, that would be
you know, it's it's fascinating that a lot of the
times the best way to dig deep into Alex's background
is to just let him talk, Like doing a lot
of research can sometimes hurt you, other than corroborating the
dumb ship that he said, like because one of the

(56:34):
and that's one of the most fascinating parts about studying
Alex Jones is unlike uh, Tucker Carlson or Sean Hannity,
Alex says the quiet parts loud so much. He's the
weakest link of the right wing propaganda machine. So anytime
you want to find out what the real goal behind
propaganda is, just listen to Alex given a side like, oh,

(56:56):
and the Hillary is trying to kill everybody. The reason
that I'm saying this is because and then he just
fills in the blank for you, like it's fascinating. He
has very little filter and he's frequently drunk on air,
So that's part of why he's worth covering to me,
because like one of the things when I when I
did Alex Jones, a bunch of people on fans on
Twitter asked about, like, when am I going to cover

(57:18):
Ben Shapiro or Charlie Kirk of those guys, And the
answer is never, because the only people I want to
focus on this show are they're all terrible, but there's
something impressive about all of them. They've all like and
Alex Jones is an impressive human being. He's a person
who was accomplished things that have altered the world. Been
Shapiro is like a cheap xerox copy of Alex Jones,

(57:38):
Like he doesn't have the courage to be as crazy
or racist or violent as Alex Jones, but he still
sells supplements like he's just a rip off. Like, yeah,
there's no point in covering the rip off. Let's talk
about the real fucking thing. I agree entirely. I mean,
there's something I was thinking about, like in terms of
our own show, because we we like to try and
not just talk about Alex Jones, like to try and

(57:58):
cover some other things, and people like Charlie Kirk or
Ben Shapiro even or a lot of these guys, they're
just as dangerous in many ways, but their beliefs all
still boiled down to a lot of this idea of
cultural Marxism, the globalist, all of their beliefs tied up
in the very same things that Alex has been covering

(58:19):
for twenty years. So they are clearly inspired by Alex,
and they're just so much less fun. Ben Shapiro sucks
to listen to. He's the worst. Yeah, he's even worse
than listening to Paul Joseph Watson. And that is that
is a bar so low, it's a floor, right, yeah, sane,
it sucks? How much too? How do these guys do it?

(58:42):
I don't know, I don't understand. I mean, yeah, it's
it's it's you know what. Let's let's wash the taste
of thinking about Paul Joseph Watson out of our heads
with another pautiful Alex Jones clip. You want to set
this one up? Yeah, this one is that's a good transition,
my friend. We have this one for episode. This one

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is called Alex is freaked Out by American Muslims. And
I believe that this um sort of represents you were
mentioning that he's kind of a racist biggotty kind of guy.
And Kyle Albert uh and I think that this demonstrates
his uh just sort of baseline position a boy people
that are different than him. Detroit School to hold Muslim

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girls only. Prom Let me tell you something he didn't
A hundreds of thousands Obama brought in everywhere I went
in Austin yesterday, including a suburb. I went in two shops,
a Starbucks, and then I went in the pool supply
place and they were like seven people in the Starbucks.

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Three of them were young Muslim girls with hoods over
their heads, drinking coffee after school. Then I went to
Pulse of Pope place, same deal. And all I'm telling
you is, imagine if you were in Saudi Arabia, and
in Sali Arabia they were walking the stores and they
were Christians and women with lipstick on and high heels everywhere,
they start physically attacking you. But here we're tolerant. I'm

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just saying, we're letting in people in mass that are
not tolerant, that are the most oppressive cult like people
on earth. And it freaks me out. You bet, I'm
freaked out that I am. So what's freaking him out
is Muslim girls, just teenage teenage girls just at a pulse.

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And the way he describes I forgot completely that he
describes them as Muslim girls in hoods, like not not
Muslims girls wearing a job or or anything, just like
they're wearing hoods. Like they might even have been wearing
a hoodie. They might have just been girls wearing hoodies.

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It's it's really and this is like another one of
those far right sort of Islamophobic things that frustrates me.
Is like, yeah, Saudi Arabia is a garbage country with
garbage laws. I've spent a lot of time in the
Muslim world doing things that Muslims shouldn't do, like being very,
very drunk, and usually the people serving me would be
observant Muslims, and they're always just so happy to get

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you what you want four screwdrivers. I'm just so happy
to be able to like treat you as my guest
right now. I just let let me, let me keep
pouring this for you, like I've never encountered any uh
like not that it doesn't happen in parts of the country,
but like in or in parts of the the Arab world,
but like as a general rule, I've encountered in my
life in the South more Christians who would judge me

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for not looking like them than Muslims who would judge
me for doing something that is forbidden in their faith. Totally. Yeah,
that's that's exactly what I've heard from other folks who
had similar experiences. But I have not done too much
traveling myself, but it's what I hear. It's never a
bad idea to point out that people are not their governments.

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People are not their governments policies. People are by and
large good people. What other people are doing, Yeah, I
got my own ship to worry about. What about Oh
you're drinking? My daughter is dating a rocker like about fine? Sure, yeah,
a Saudi Arabian punk rocker, you know the band? Yeah yeah.

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But in that clip, the thing that I think it
really is what drives at home for me and is
the most the reason why I generally choose this to
be indicative of Alex's bigotry. Well, he said a lot
of other, maybe much more offensively bigoted things. This one
is he's complaining about the idea that Muslims are coming
to America and that they're awful or scary to him.

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In some way, and then he goes on to describe
what could be Muslim women doing very American things. Yeah, exactly.
He's talking about people who are uh absorbing our way
of life, going to a Starbucks, going to a pool
supply shop, and that freaks him out. He's freaked out

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by the idea of assimilation, not the idea of non assimilation.
And I think that's a general truth whenever these people
talk about how when whenever they frame it as like,
my issue is that these people coming to the country
won't assimilate. No, your issue is that they will. They
will become part of the fabric of this country, and
both they and the country will change as a result,

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because that's how the world works. And that's what fucking
terrifies you. And your straight white identity won't have as
much purchase as it used to. You won't have the
security of power that you once enjoyed. And it's a
classic example of him invalidating his own argument with the
sentence that's supposed to validate his argument, Like when he says,

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you know, if you go to Saudi Arabia and you
were lipstick, they'll they'll physically attack you. But here we're tolerant,
and you're like, no, you just literally said that you
didn't want Muslim girls in a pool supply store. What
are you talking about, we'd tolerant. There's nothing there's nothing
more sacred to an American than a pool supply store.
That actually, you know, I really there's something that just

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makes me tear up with patriotic vigor when I see
a bottle of meriatic acid that really just shivers. Are
the only two things that I think America stands for.
So I want to hear the rest of your clips.
But this has gone on long enough that we're going
to do a an ad pivot, uh, which I I

(01:04:21):
just announced and you shouldn't but by these products and
we're back this uh. This clip here is Alex likes
to talk about how everyone accuses him of being a
Russian agent. He he complains about that all the time.

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He uh says, it's very unfair. It's a terrible criticism
of him. One of the things that we found when
we were looking over turning into being Trump's mouthpiece, we
found that he was super into Putin before he was
into Trump. Even as he's saying Trump is a mob boss. Basically,
he's articulating things along the lines of Putin is like

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he represents hope for the world and that sort of thing.
It's very Russian positive. Would you say that Vladimir Putin
was like his gateway autocrat. I think I think he
might have been. Yeah, I'm not sure of any others
that I can think of that he sort of full
throaded Lee approved of before then. But he he's very

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much into Russia and Russia's line of propaganda in the world,
even before he gets in with Trump. And so in
October we found this clip that is really upsetting. H
if you consider, um, you know now him saying, I,
you know, I have nothing to do with Russia. This
clip is October alex Is debriefed. I mean, we have

(01:05:50):
the big lessons and yes, the Russian government listeners of
the show. Then I was told that by RT International,
one of their main heads. I'll leave it at that,
in a Skype interview where I was told it was
a Skype interview, and it wasn't a Skype interview. Once
they cut to me, they started interrogating me in a
big table with a bunch of top Russians that and
asking me questions, and then they have been threatened to

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never had me back on our T by the U
S government. They were basically asked me who I was,
who I worked for, how I could do certain things.
And they were asking me if I was a US
government agent or who I worked for, and I said
I worked for liberty. But that's the level I met.
Where like a James Bond movie, it's not our T.
It's a big table in a government building with a
bunch of guys staring at me. And I see him

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on TV sometimes it's like Russian you know, leaders Puttin
listens to the show is the point. That's the point
I am. I am sure that Vladimir Putin in between Yeah, yeah,
I'm certain he's listening to four hour Info Wars episodes
in his busy days. It's a birthday thing, like on

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his birthday, somebody murders a journalist and he listened to
Alex Jones. So that's just a good day, just kind
of how Yeah. It's one of the skills that I
think you can develop from listening to a ton of
this stuff is sort of sussing out when Alex is
lying and when he's not um And there's little characteristic
flourishes when he lies of like, he really overdoes. So,

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there were three globalists in a hot tub. He's talking
to three globalists. Two of them were wearing lovely suits
in the hot tub. The other one was actually wearing
a full suit in the hot tub. And then an
info warrior comes in and joins the hot tub group
and they're both sitting around the hot tub group. The
info warrior says something and he goes Alex Jones, and
then the three globalists turned into demons and they fly away.

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Like that's that's how incredibly detailed his stories are. Whenever
he's making ship up, he gets really granular when he lies. Yeah. Yeah,
And so when you when I hear a story like that, um,
I hear the ring of truth to the the sort
of boring nous of some of the details, and the
and the sort of concreteness of it. He goes in
for an interview that he thinks is an interview. It's

(01:08:04):
actually some Russian agents who want to talk to him
about like, Hey, you're saying a lot of stuff that
we're into. Oh, also, let's flatter you and say that
Vladimir Putin is a huge fan of your work. And
then he comes away from that being super in favor
of Russia's angle in the world, to the point where
any time there's uh, the world believes ex Russia believes

(01:08:26):
why he believes why. There's not necessarily it's not necessarily
proof that like he works for them or anything like that.
That would be crazy, but it is proof that I
think he's been compromised by flattery. I mean, we do
know that there's only one there's a there's one degree
of separation between Alex Jones and Vladimir Putin because Alex
Jones is friends with Steven Seagal, who has been on

(01:08:48):
his show that Seagal is friends with Vladimir Putin. So
you could even go with Alexander Dugan. Uh, He's been
on Alex's show multiple times. And right after the election,
Alex was on Alexander Dugan's show in Russia where Alex
almost cried while Dugan told him that he was the

(01:09:09):
model of an American man and he had single handedly
solved American Russian relations. Yeah, I believe Alex broke down
and crying and then asked Alexander Dugan to be as
head of HR because his his daddy issues are a
little bit harsh vacation. So uh, let's get to this mystery.

(01:09:30):
Let's let's let's let's crack this caper. Okay, So shall
I play this clip and then you you um tell
me what? Yeah this is. This is a clip that
you guys put on your show pretty regularly when you
announce your new uh patrion backers and stuff. And it's uh,
it's never not hypnotized me into wanting to know what
what the context is. So yeah, play the clip and

(01:09:53):
then our our listeners will be curious too. I mentioned
this on Saturday to the pulpit that some want someone
sodomite sent me a bucket of poop? Did I tell
you all that? And that's what's the name of that clip,
that is, Uh, sodomite sent me a bucket of poop? Okay,
it's very self explainatory that. So that comes from a

(01:10:16):
sermon or a broadcast that was made by a guy
named Reverend James David Manning. Uh three names perfect. Yeah.
He used to be a regular guest on Alex's show
UM and would come on and talk about how um
Starbucks was putting semen in people's latte's. Uh, there was
all kinds of fun conspiracs extra because there's a couple

(01:10:37):
of grands of protein in that. And I can tell
you on a day when I'm really no, Okay, well
it's a four seventy nine, I'll tell you that. I
don't know why, but it's four seventy nine. He Uh,
Manning would come on and engage in largely some pretty homophobic,
Islamophobic conspiracy theories. Um. And so he's talking about how

(01:10:58):
you know, the gays are so out of control one
of them sent me a bucket of poop. Uh And uh,
I just thought that was pretty fun. We did, um,
we did an episode about him being on Alex's show
and how crazy it is that those worlds intersected. Um.
And in doing that episode, we learned that as soon
as Trump got elected, Reverend Manning decided this isn't the

(01:11:20):
way to go, and he decided that Trump was the
devil and he now calls him tribulation Trump and refuses
to go on Alex's show ever. Again, it's not bad,
you know that, that's actually a really satisfying arc. Uh. Yeah,
And kudos to that guy for not like like Alex
Jones has been inconsistent to a degree because like, you know,

(01:11:41):
he's always been the he's just the whole. The thing
that he's supporting the greatest authority in the land now
is very much counter to at least this guy's consistent.
You know, that's good. I respect that. Tip of the
hat to the reverend. Tip of the hat to the reverend.
Uh and he saw the mines listening. If you want
to send the guy a bucket of poop, it seems

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like you can find his address you just google law ministries.
Oh man, well, I think that's gonna be our episode
for the day. I am very gratefully to you for
putting those clips together, and too to both of y'all
for sharing your encyclopedic in somewhat frightening knowledge of Alex Jones.
I do want to kind of close by asking are

(01:12:22):
y'all worried about him? Because I'm a little worried about
him about his mental and physical health. I'm worried for
his kids. Yeah, we're Yeah, that's that's that's sort of
where I land on it. Like, if he flames out
in self destruct, I'm not really concerned about that. But
if you know, if he hurts other people on the
way down, then that's kind of I am worried about that.

(01:12:44):
It looks like he could end up really screwing up
some people's lives. I I feel like the same feeling
that you get when you start reading a serial killers
backstory where you read about the serial killer who killed
like eight people. You're like, Oh, this guy's a monster,
and then you find out, oh, he was horribly sexually
abused as a child and all of this, this just

(01:13:05):
mountainous ride of bullshit happened to him, and then you
kind of start to empathize with this monster. So the
more time we spend with Alex Jones, the more you
find out that this is most likely a guy who
has malignant narcissism with most likely a certain amount of
schizophrenia built around it, and unfortunately was introduced to like

(01:13:26):
John Birch society ideas at a young age and didn't
really understand what he was reading, and that's shaped him
um as a political actor exactly. So so as somebody
who has been like I'm I'm bipolar type one, you know,
and there's always an instinct that I have to empathize
with somebody who is struggling with something that a you know,
suck quote unquote normal people don't have to deal with

(01:13:49):
and at the same time, you know, not everybody with
the ship with the shitty childhood becomes a serial killer.
So funk that guy, you know? Yeah, I mean, because
you got like the Chabanni guy who sued Alex and
then kindly shows not to take control of him Info
wars essentially like that guy was a refugee. That guy
grew up with some probably a way more difficult childhood
than Alex Jones, but rather than turning into a a

(01:14:10):
red anger goblin, became a philanthropist who helps refugees. I'm
staunchly anti billionaire to the point of, like we need
to start sending Jeff Bezos buckets of poop. But hamdi Olakaya,
he's not a bad guy. If someone's gonna have like
I would prefer, we live in a world where nobody
accumulate quite that much wealth. But he seems to be

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one of the ones who's been the most responsible with it. Exactly. Yeah,
I think. I think when you focus on helping other
people and inclusion and that sort of thing, it sort
of helps your soul. Whereas when you're really obsessed with
exclusion in the way that Alex Jones, is it erodes
you no matter what, like, no matter how much money
you make, no matter how much fame and acclaim you get,

(01:14:53):
it'll just a road you And I think that's the
difference between him and someone like Hamdi. I think that's
a great note to close out on. So do you
guys want to plug your plug doubles before we before
we roll on? Absolutely, Like you said to, our website
is knowledge fight dot com. We have some stuff up there,
probably more resources coming in the near future of things. Um,

(01:15:15):
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don't know, semi professional stand up comedian. You could probably
find me somewhere, I suppose if you're going around, if
you're interested in finding comics, you're right, you might stumble
upon me. That's my plug. Okay, that's a good plug.
That's a good plug. Thanks so much for having us.

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