5150

Should police have released Mitrice from the police station on the night she disappeared? Her friends and family say she should have been taken to a hospital for a psychiatric evaluation, which is known in California as a “5150”. But the police said that she was fine. So, which is it? 

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:08):
School of Humans. Hi, I'm trying to reach Charon Cummings.
Let's call it. My name is Catherine Townsend, and I'm
actually working on a podcast for iHeartMedia and we're covering Well,
there you have it. Okay, we called Charon Cummings. She

(00:32):
was the jailer who was working the night that My
Trese went missing. Obviously, she doesn't want to talk about
My Trees these days, but at the time when My
Trees went missing, she did give several interviews. She told
the Los Angeles Times that after my Trease was released,
she was given a phone and made several calls. Cummings

(00:54):
told the paper that she did not listen to My
Teresa's conversations, but she said she did have discussions with
her about topics including gospel music and karma. Steve Whitmore,
the LASD Community Information Officer, talked about coming statement in
a press conference. Cummings said that she encouraged my Trees
to stay the night and told her that she could

(01:16):
have breakfast in the morning. Before leaving. She said that
My Trees seemed to waver for a moment and said
maybe I'll stay, But then My Trees told Cummings that
she had changed her mind. She wanted to leave, Cummings
told Eyewitness News in a two thousand and nine interview.
When I found out she didn't have a ride, I

(01:37):
asked her, why don't you stay? It's kind of dark
and a bit cool. You don't have a jacket. I
knew she lived out in la and didn't know the area,
but she said she didn't want to spend the night
in jail, and she was hooking up with some friends.
So my Treece walked out the side door of the
police station. One of the main criticisms that has been

(01:59):
leveled at the Lost Hill Sheriff's station is the fact
that the officers should have recognized that my Treece was
in a fragile mental state. My Teres's family believed that
all evidence points to the fact that she should have
been taken to a hospital, not a jail cell, But
in later depositions, the officers denied that my Terce was
behaving strangely. They said that my trees passed a field

(02:22):
sobriety test and that she seemed to be absolutely fine,
so their decision to release her in the middle of
the night was the right call. So is it possible
that the officers did not realize that my Teres was
having some sort of mental breakdown. I'm Catherine Townsend. This
is hell and gone. Almost everyone who encountered my Trees

(03:19):
in the twenty four hour period before she disappeared agreed
something was wrong with her. This included her mother, her
aunt Ronda, her former professor, and her boss. It also
included the Geoffrey staff and the diners at the restaurant
who interacted with my Trees and then later gave their
statements to police. Police officers who were put in a

(03:40):
position of determining someone's mental health and deciding whether to
hold someone against their will without violating their civil rights
or in a tough position, so we wanted to know
what were the police officer's options at that point. In
the state of California, arrested individuals who were considered to

(04:01):
be a danger to themselves or others due to signs
of mental illness can be subject to involuntary psychiatric evaluation
and commitment for up to seventy two hours. This is
called a fifty one fifty hold, and my Teresa's family
is adamant that a fifty one to fifty hold is
exactly what should have happened prior to her arrest. My

(04:24):
Trees did not have an official mental health diagnosis, but
based on the way that she was acting, people close
to her believed she was undiagnosed by polar and could
be experiencing some type of manic episode. Now, making an
armchair diagnosis, especially in hindsight, can be dicey. We know
that my Trees was exhibiting symptoms, including possible hallucinations because

(04:49):
we know that she told one of the diners that
a character on a soap opera had been talking to her.
Also delusional thinking based on a lot of the comments
that she made, and potentially hypersexuality when she offered to
settle her bill for sex if she was experienced sing
a bipolar episode. My Trese was in a very vulnerable position.

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Early on, police speculated that my Tries could have died
of suicide, particularly because she appeared to be suffering some
type of mental distress, but they also said in their
depositions that she did not exhibit behavior that they believe
qualified her for a fifty to one to fifty hold.
They insisted that having made that determination, they had no

(05:29):
legal reason to hold her and were correct in their
decision to release her after midnight. So police have stated
both that my Trees was in such mental distress that
she could have run off a cliff and plunged to
her death, and that she seemed to be absolutely fine.
So which is it. To get answers, we have to

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dive into the hard evidence that we do have from
the night that my Terse went missing, including the messages
sent between the officers and their radio communication records. First,
there's the arresting officer, Armando Lurero. He said in a
deposition that when he went to Joffrey's, he was responding

(06:10):
to a possible three ninety, which is the code that
would indicate a drunk person for a black female unable
to pay her bill. But the defrauding and innkeeper charge
and the small amount of pot that my Trees had
on her were misdemeanor citations, and his fellow officer on
the scene, Frank Brower, testified that my Trees passed a

(06:30):
field sobriety test. So if she wasn't under the influence
and he believed that she was fine, why did Lurero
make the decision to impound my Trees's car, hard book her,
and take her into custody. After Lurero and his fellow
officers were finished at Joffrey's, he transported my Trees to
the station in his cruiser. This was around eight forty

(06:52):
five p m. In a later deposition, Lorero said that
he believed that he arrived with my Trees at the
station at around nine fifty p m. Once they arrived,
Jaylor Charon Cummings fingerprinted my trees and took her photograph
to assist in the booking process. Lorero said he never

(07:14):
discussed any concerns with my Teres's mental state, either to
Charon or to his watch sergeant when he went in
to discuss the probable cause statement, basically laying out the
reasons for the arrest. He said in a deposition that
he had observed my Trees for any potential signs of
her needing to be detained for a fifty one to

(07:34):
fifty mental health evaluation, and apparently he determined that this
was not necessary. But an email mentioned in that deposition
could provide some clues to his motive. The email, which
Mike Kessler quoted in his Los Angeles Magazine story, was
from one of Lorero's Lost Hills colleagues. Lieutenant Scott two

(07:58):
Kessler wrote, quote, deputies had considered letting Richardson go with
a citation, but decided to arrest her in part because
witnesses had said she'd been acting strangely end quote. Chu
said in the email that Lorero told him that he'd
made the decision to hard book my trees at the
station because she was acting in a bizarre manner, and

(08:20):
he said that he wanted to quote make sure that
she was all right end quote. Now this was in
direct contradiction to Lorero's testimony, and many people also questioned
what was transmitted over the police messaging system. It later
emerged that Lorero and John McKay were assigned to take

(08:43):
the call, but Brower had assigned himself after seeing the details.
Why did they need three officers to respond to a
call of a young woman who couldn't pay a restaurant tab.
John McKay, one of the officers on the scene, said
that at ten thirteen pm, he sent a message to
another officer that read citizens arrest. He got a message

(09:07):
back that read why didn't you help a sister out?
So officially, the police's line was that they never believed
that my terse was showing signs of mental instability. Remember
Kenneth the valet. He was the first person who encountered
my terse at Jeffrey's that night, and the first one

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to notice that she seemed to be acting off. He
spoke to the deputies who came to Jeffrey's, and afterwards
they provided him with a written statement summarizing what he said.
But when he took a closer look, he noticed that
some of the descriptions in the statement didn't match what
he said, so he corrected those statements, crossing some of

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it out and making additions in his own handwriting. The
details and the rewritten statement are jarring. For example, the
typewritten statement reads, at no time on the night of
September sixteenth, or during the early morning hours September seventeenth,
two thousand and nine, did I ever speak to any
of the LASD deputies that arrived or any other law

(10:12):
enforcement personnel. But Kenneth crossed that part out. He wrote,
I spoke to two of the LASD deputies who were
on the scene. I asked what happened and or what's
wrong with her? One deputy replied, she's a ding. I
told the other deputy that it seemed like she was
off her medication or had too much medication. Doctor Ronda

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Hampton spent years reading and obsessing over every single minute
detail of the communications among these officers. Many times she
saw that the police made reference to my trese as
a ding and that Kenneth the valet also said he'd
overheard the police officers calling her a ding. At first,

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she said, she didn't realize the significance of this information.
I'll be she thought it was short for a dingbat,
but she later learned that in law enforcement circles, it's
shorthand for someone who probably needs a fifty one to
fifty psychiatric evaluation. And she discovered that by happenstance, my
dumb ass didn't even know what a ding was. I

(11:21):
just thought, oh, I mean a ding that well, I
knew it meant somebody was dinghy right, Yeah, but I
didn't realize it was like an official thing that they
called people who had were fifty one to fifty from
the shriff of herm right, So me and mind her.
I'm taking a crochet class at Michael's Right. The person
who was giving the class was a sheriff, and I
don't know she sent something about either giving Croeschek houses

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and it's somehow she used the word ding and while
she was telling us about this crochet thing, and I
was like Dan, I was like, why you said ding?
And then she goes, oh, that's what we call people
who need to be on a fifty one fifty. And
then we have a Dan Ward that's in the jail. Wow. Yeah,
so that's how I found that out. Wow. I'm like,
so when they said ding, they know damn well that
that's an official Well, they're not supposed to say it,
but you called some high a ding. Then you know

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they asked me to be a fifty one fifty. So
who I mean, they get back to the station, they decide,
for whatever reason not to not to fifty one fifty
or her And why did they They ever tell you
why they did that. Well, what they will tell you
is that she was acting perfectly normal. So you've got
somebody at the scene who passes to feel sobriety test
who talk about she's from Mars reading people's palms, crazy

(12:28):
as fuck, and you call her a dank and then
you send your email to your captain say she did
see but she was perfectly fine. Make no damn sense.
Once police found out that my Trees had no outstanding warrants,
and crucially, having apparently made the determination that she was
not a fifty one to fifty risk, my Trees was released.

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Cummings said that jailers are trained to contact their watch
sergeant or watch commander if the detainees show signs of
mental instability, but she said that my Trice was calm,
so this didn't happen. And one of the biggest challenges
of diagnosing mental health issues is the fact that someone
experiencing an episode can seem lucid one minute and unstable

(13:14):
the next. And if the arresting officers did not tell
Cummings about my Terce's bizarre behavior, she may not have
known that there could be potential mental health issues. Reading
between the lines of the comments she's made in interviews,
it does seem that Cummings was nervous about letting my
Trees leave in the middle of the night, but she

(13:34):
seemed to think that there was nothing more that she
could do. Once again, it seems that at every turn,
My Trees slipped through the cracks. So much joint down
right now, okay, Weta Reservation put three for a thousand.

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Ye all, we're back at Jeffrey's, the restaurant where My
Trees's Night began on the night she disappeared, and this
time were with reporter Cec Woods. I've got my mole,
which I still don't even know who my mole is,
but my mole, actually I don't. I have no idea,
but I do have to tell you. So he's like,

(14:18):
just show them that picture of you in the bikini
on Instagram. That'll man, that'll work. In twenty fourteen, Cec
started the local Malibu. She's currently editor in chief of
that publication. She also founded the magazine Malibu nine oh
two sixty five. She describes herself as an activist and reporter.

(14:40):
They treat me like I'm a nobody, and I really
don't care. It's okay, because guess what, I have multiple
projects going on that are all national, global, whatever you
want them to be, and they're all involving you. And
yet they think I'm just this little blondie for Malibu,
which is okay, go ahead, I'll give fuck. She's in
your face and sometimes says outrageous things, but she is

(15:01):
getting taken seriously and she's broken some huge stories. Yeah,
I love being underestimated. I fucking love it. And that's
what happened with the Malbury Creek State Park shootings. I
was underestimated. I was this little blonde Malibu barbie to them,
and blahbery blah blah blah whatever. I don't give fuck.
Over the years, she has developed a tight knit working

(15:23):
relationship with the Lost Hills Sheriff's Department. She has a
close relationship with a lot of the officers, but she's
not afraid to hold them accountable, so much so that
she says her reputation is on the line if they
ever pull any bullshit. I'm like, my reputation is tied
to you guys. Don't you ever motherfucking do this shit

(15:43):
on my watch? Okay, whatever they did, and I mean
that like I'm willing to lose my life over this shit.
Like my kids can take care of themselves, but you're
not doing this on my watch in my community with
me supporting you guys. Fuck that shit. I don't want
this shit happening in my community. That's like number one.

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And knowing that there's a bunch of fucking rogue cops
getting away with abuse of power at my local station
like nothing makes me angrier. She's also on a first
named basis with the Sheriff of Los Angeles County, Alex Villanueva.

(16:30):
He's the most powerful law enforcement official in the largest
county in the country, but CEC's texts always get priority,
despite an atmosphere that can make it challenging for law
enforcement to have relationships with journalists. CEC has several sources
inside the department. During our meeting, she gets a call
from one of them. It's true, I love you. I

(16:55):
always say that in this job, a lot of the
most productive information comes out at happy hour, and she
clearly believes in the power of building relationships that is.
Ceci's also seen the dark side of the Sheriff's station
and exposed a lot of their dirty laundry, including in
one of the biggest cases that she's worked on so far,

(17:18):
the Malibu Creek State Park shootings. Cec said that crime
was never her area of expertise until true crime came
to her neighborhood. She said she was terrified when her
neighbors started talking about multiple shootings in Malibu and a
possible serial killer on the loose, one that, she says
the police were not warning the public about I exposed

(17:40):
the Malibu Creek State Park shootings, and that was by accident.
I was just in public safety reporting doing my thing,
and then all of a sudden, this shooting happens, and
I'm like, Wow, what the fuck? There's a murder happening.
And I don't even know how to deal with the

(18:02):
murder because murder's not my wheelhouse. But I don't do
that shit. It was just instinctual, like people just started
emailing me and sending me information. I'm like, Okay, I
guess I have to write about this. How am I
going to write about this? I had to sit down
and think about how I'm going to write about murder,
and so I sat down and I kind of figured
it out. And in the beginning I was a real

(18:24):
smart ass, and I kind of want to go back
to being smart ass. I have to tell you, because
you know what, I like smartass. Alex would say, tell
Ussy to write an article. I need a laugh, okay,
because I would just make fun of the homicide. I
would make fun of everybody. When thirty two year old
father of two Tristan Boudette was found shot to death

(18:46):
in his tent on June twenty second, twenty eighteen, the
case made international headlines. Then in October twenty eighteen, a
drifter named Anthony Rauda was arrested for a parole violation.
According to the local Malibu he was arrested for possession
of a weapon authority says can assistant with and or

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a matching the murder weapon that killed Tristan Bodett. But
Ceci says she doesn't believe that Rauda is responsible for
all of the shootings, and she says that there's been
a law enforcement cover up dating back to twenty sixteen.
She reported in the paper that several shootings took place
before a Bodett was shot, and that quote the shootings

(19:29):
were purposely hidden from the public by state parks officials
and the Los Angeles Sheriff's Department, under the direction of
former Sheriff MacDonnell, who was complicit in the cover up
end quote. Eventually, Rauda was charged with Bodet's murder and
with ten other counts of attempted murder and five counts
of burglary. But cec continues to question every piece of

(19:49):
information that's released by the Sheriff's department. She says that
her sources tell her there's no ballistics match to the
alleged murder weapon. She says that there continues to be
unexplained gunfire in Malibu Creek State Park and that she
believes a killer may still be out there. Cecy found
out about my Teresa's case after one of her readers

(20:12):
saw Ronda and Chip's documentary and forwarded it to Cec.
Then she met Ronda, and working together, they started to
dig deeper into my Teresa's case. After all of the
investigating that I've done and the hundreds of thousands of
man hours that I've logged in with Ronda at four o'clock,

(20:33):
three o'clock in the morning, five o'clock in the morning,
like we get up and we call each other. It
doesn't matter what time it is, Like that's the reality.
Her and I are like on the same speed. She
is a cyberstalker in extraordinary and what she does is
she just goes and digs shit and she sends it

(20:53):
right to me, and I'm like, Okay, what do you
want to do with it? Do we write about it?
Do we sit on it? What do we do? And
So what I believe happened was that as we sit
at Draffrey's right now, and as I talk to the
owner of Draffrees not too long ago, probably about a
week ago, they felt that she was in the best

(21:21):
hands for public safety. When the cops came, they should
have called the MET team, which is the mental evaluation team.
They did not. The police have admitted that mistakes were
made on the night that my Terse went missing, but
through their investigation, CC and Ronda began to believe that

(21:42):
something much more sinister than just a miscall and a
mental health evaluation went on at the station. CC has
written several expose as on alleged law enforcement cover ups.
Earlier this year, CC broke the story of a young
woman who was sexually assaulted at a Malibu condominium in
the early morning hours of February eighth. A transient walked

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in an unlocked door and allegedly fondled the victim, but
when the incident was reported to police, officers reportedly took
forty five minutes to arrive at the scene and basically
concluded that the alleged victim may have had too much
to drink. CECI heard about the story, she helped the
victim track down surveillance footage which clearly showed a man

(22:26):
entering her home. A few days later, thirty four year
old Matthew Fairchild was arrested and charged with intent to
commit a sex crime. According to the Malibu Times quote,
the matter was festering until a Malibu tabloid publisher, CEC
Woods reportedly sent the photos and a complaint to Sheriff
Alex Villanueva, who has been known to frequently consult with

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Woods on Malibu issues end quote. After CEC's article came out,
the Times received complaints from residents who were outraged that
police did not immediately warn them of potential danger or
try to track down the suspect, and then Lost Hills
Captain Matthew Vanderhork was demoted and relieved a duty when

(23:09):
this sexual predator happened. When I got the captain because
he fucked up, I literally texted the captain and I said,
I want to know who those motherfucking deputies are. I
want to come into your station. I want to look
them in the motherfucking face, and I want to let
them fucking know you will never do this in my
community again. And I am not kidding. I was so angry.

(23:33):
I was ready to take the bar alloh yank it
and throw it against the wall when the community member
came to me and told me what had happened. CEC
has also written an expose about former Lost Hills Captain
Tom Martin. Martin was accused of sexual assault and the
alleged victim says that the incident took place just months

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before my trees ended up at Lost Hill Station. In
no way does CEC's experience prove that something more sinister
happened to my trees at the Lost Hill Station, but
it does paint a compelling picture of the Sheriff's department
at the time. Basically, CC labels the era at the
Lost Hill Station before Sheriff Llanueva took office the wild West,

(24:19):
and she describes the environment there zero oversight, populated with
rogue cops. She talked about this when we talked on
the phone with her a few weeks before in person meeting.
It's a station that has been known for a rogue
pop behavior, and I am very happy to report that
since we had a change in captain, which I was

(24:44):
instrumental in exposing some of the things this captain was
not taken care of, which allows these cops to get
in that rogue cops way, and you know, if you
don't have the right leadership, they're just gonna see what
they want. Now they know that they especially now after

(25:06):
this whole George Floyd and the civil uprising, but even
before this happened, being able to expose this behavior on
social media and the relationships that I've been able to
nurture with a sheriff's department and with the sheriff has

(25:28):
really made a serious difference in our community and at
the station. Now, some of this may sound like a
movie plot, but the LASD has been involved in scandals
to make the movie LA Confidential look like a documentary.

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In twenty thirteen, following a massive investigation, federal officials and
dieted eighteen current and former LASD deputies, lieutenants, and sergeants.
The charges included corruption, obstruction of justice, and fabrication of
police reports. According to the se of Independent Review report,
allegations against LASD officers included rape, kidnapping, and smuggling heroin

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into a jail cell. This rogue cop situation is what
she thinks happened to my trees. I mean, obviously, people
at the restaurant were telling them, you know, she's acting strange,
and they knew that she might have mental health issues,
but yet then later they said she didn't, which was
it was very strange. Now that was I mean, for

(26:37):
lack of a better word, absolute nonsense. And well, here's
the thing. The thing is is if you are not
well versed in mental health issues, especially like bipolar or
any of those issues, and if you don't really recognize

(26:58):
it and you're not trained, then you know what, you
might make those mistakes, which is another reason why you know,
the shirt depart and has the mental health evaluation team.
And so again I'm going to go back to the
roade cop thing, and that was especially rampant at that time.

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I mean, they just did whatever they wanted, and it
was clear by the radio call and how they responded
to it and talking about doing a FEN search over
the radio. It's like, you know, what kind of behavior
is that there was a female jailer already on duty
at the station, so why would they need to refer

(27:45):
to searching my trees? C C believed that these communications
could have been some type of sinister shorthand they said that, hey,
you know, time to do a FEN search. We should
do a FEN search. So they talked about doing a
FEN search on my trees, and to me, that's just

(28:06):
alerting the troops. Hey, we've got a really good looking
woman coming and you know, might be time for a
FEN search. And you know, I mean, who says that? Really?
Who says that over the radio? Ceci isn't the only
reporter who has made this observation about Lost Hills. Scott

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Johnson wrote about the Lost Hills station being under investigation
in a twenty sixteen article in The Hollywood Reporter. Johnson
quoted a source who said that the station was dis
like the departed. The story quotes a woman who claims
that certain deputies would do favors for her and her
ex husband, a former American gladiator star, but after a

(28:48):
bitter split. She said that the deputies maintained improper personal
relationships with her ex husband and that they refused to
look into charges of alleged child abuse and rape. According
to The Hollywood Reporter, the La County Sheriff's departments internal
affairs investigators were taking a serious look at the allegations,

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which was quote raising new questions about a police station
that has been embroiled in controversy numerous times in recent years.
End quote. One source told the Hollywood Reporter, you can't
throw a stone without hitting a rat. There there's rats
on every side, criminals, cops, everyone, and they're all riting
on each other. We've mentioned Mel Gibson, who was arrested

(29:33):
in two thousand and six on drunk driving charges getting
a ride back to his car, as an example of
celebrity favoritism, but he's also evidence of something else, police
cover up. Mel went on an anti Semitic rant against
the arresting officer, who was Jewish. Then LASD managers buried
the deputy's report, which led to accusations that they were

(29:55):
giving the actor preferential treatment. The report was leaked to
TMZ and the deputy was fired. After his attorney claimed
that the LASD fired him and retaliation for leaking the information,
he was reinstated. We've tried calling the police department for comment.
They've denied our multiple requests. After they got to the station,

(30:26):
my rise was put into a holding cell with a
woman named Chermaine Henderson. Our producer Gabby was able to
speak to her on the phone. What happened? I remember
how I've ended up in jaimed, but I ended up
in the red sit and going to jail, but they
released me. Oh h second, and I remember walking and

(30:47):
I remember walking down that heal wow wow great. Chermaine
had been deposed from my Teres's parents civil suit, and
according to Chermaine's deposition, my Terse was talking to her
and for the most part, she seemed to be in
a good mood, chatting in a friendly and animated fashion,
as she had with the diners at Jeoffrey's. According to

(31:09):
the deposition, my Trees asked Ermaine if she wanted to
get high, and at one point was so disruptive that
Chermaine asked to be moved to another cell. But when
we spoke to Chermaine, what she told us contradicts her deposition.
She also says that my Trees seemed to be behaving
normally while they were in the cell together, and Chermaine

(31:30):
denies the fact that she said she wanted to be
moved to avoid my Trees. But I remember, I remember she.
I remember she had that that good curly hair, I
remember it, and she was so talkative. She was no
slender girl, but I remember her like it was yesterday,
and she was perfectly normal. She was perfectly normal, sweetheart.

(31:51):
And I did not actually get moved to another spell
and nothing. Obviously, it's been ten years since this all happened,
and witness memory is always something to be taken into account.
But Chermaine is emphatic when she says that my Trees
was behaving pretty normally. We had a good conversation and
she didn't. I didn't get no bad or nothing, no, no, nothing,

(32:13):
nothing like, nothing bad from her, nothing like. And she
was she was she was cool. And then it's like
when I seen that shit on the news, it was
like and then it was like I was trying to
contact like but it was it was very hard to
get in contact with people like that, say like I
was there with her, like, you know, let them know
that she was okay, like her last moments like like
and she was in a self she was all right.

(32:34):
She said that she's been hoping to talk to more
people about the investigation, so somebody following up with me,
and I've been wanting I really wanted to speak for
someone about that night because she was normal. It was nothing,
she she was okay, she was okay. It was nothing wrong.
Where we was going to fell together, and she was
she was she was very like, she was very like

(32:55):
like you know, like very polite, like you know, she
was very talkative. She wasn't like isolating herself for nothing.
She was like, Okay, so are you saying that they
also released you in the middle of the night. Yes,
I got reased in the middle night too awesome. No,
it's no one for you to get nowhere. And I
had to I had to walk, I was, I was

(33:19):
in my lap and it's like, it's like it was
it was no way to get a no vicin on nothing.
It was so it was so like like assholes, like
and it's like as far as as being a woman,
you know, like and they released us at that time
of night, It's like, you know, it wasn't okay. What
would clarify a lot of the discussion over my Teresa's

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behavior is if there was evidence that we could look
back on. And the thing is there is there's video
of my terse in herself two hours on four different
cameras eight hours total, that the LASD has refused to
release for ten years, despite lawsuits and endless complaints by

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Ronda and my Teresa's family, And the question remains, why
won't they release the tape next time on Helen Gone?
And then that's when they start out, well there's no video.
It's like, really, that makes no sense. I was sitting
right next to Captain Martin, Well, I'm sure if I'm

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going to ask him that question, you don't have any
video of my treats in jail, and he turned be read,
I mean really be read, and just said, well, I
do have this tape in my desk. My community needs this.
You need to set it right. Come out here, tell
the people you are reopening the investigation. Do the right thing.

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I'm Katherine Townsend and this is Helen Gone. Helen Gone
is a production of School of Humans and iHeartRadio. It's
written and narrated by me, Catherine Townsend. Our producers are
Gabby Watts, Taylor Church and James Morrison. Music is by
Ben Sale. Mix is by Tunewelders. Our executive users are

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Brandon Barr, Elsie Crowley and Brian Lavin. Special thanks to
Chip Craft for use of footage from his documentary Loss Compassion,

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School of Humans. School of Humans