April 10, 2024 • 28 mins
Mia and Gare discuss Trump's plan to ban gender affirming care for youth, prevent government insurance from paying for any transition, and force teachers to teach sexism.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
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Speaker 2 (00:05):
Welcome zacodapp gear podcast where the future president wants us
to die and current president doesn't give a shit. I'm
your host, Nah Wong with me as Garrison.
Speaker 1 (00:14):
Hi.
Speaker 2 (00:15):
Okay, so we're covering another aspect of Trump's agenda forty seven.
All right, we're looking at President Trump's plan to protect
children from left wing gender insanity. Now, despite that title,
this is the least trumpy of all of these. He
is just phoning this one the fucking It's the most
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hymn reading off a teleprompter I have ever seen in
any speech he's ever given, because.
Speaker 3 (00:42):
Historically he's never cared about this kind of stuff. He's
just having to do it now to appease the people
he needs to get votes from. But like, if you
look at Trump's stances on transgender people historically, however, not good.
They're not like a genda CIDL. And you can really
tell his hard, isn't it It's.
Speaker 2 (01:02):
He I mean, legitimately, he sounds like so someone doing
an ad read for a rage shadow legend sponsorship, Like
it's it's he's so bored. There's like one. It's funny
because you can tell this just something I started happening
in the middle of the administration was you could tell
when his speech writers were just writing in a Trump
word for him to say so it would look less
like he was. And they're doing it in this one.
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There's only like one genuinely trumpy thing in this Unfortunately,
it all fucking sucks. Ass, it's quite bleak. So let's
let's get into what exactly is in this. I would
love to hear Trump's plan for the transgenders. Yeah, so
first he wants to end Biden's executive order on gender
affirming care. Now you might be asking, wait, Mia, what
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the fuck?
Speaker 4 (01:45):
Wait what executive what executive order? I looked this up too,
because I was like, wait, what is he talking about?
So apparently, back in twenty twenty two, Biden issued a
series of executive orders that were supposed to protect the
rights of trans kids to get gender affirming care.
Speaker 2 (02:00):
So that didn't happen. No, no, no, now these weren't. Yeah,
these were mostly stunningly ineffective. Well, I'm going to quote
from I finally found the actual executive which is disturbingly
hard to find the actual text of because everyone just
wanted you to read the press release, because what's actually
in it is okay. The Secretary of Health and Human
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Services shall, as appropriate and consistent with applicable law, use
the Department of Health and Human Services authority to project
LGBTQI plus individuals access to medically necessary care from harmful
state and local laws and practices, and shall promote the
adoption of promising policies and practices to support health equity,
including in the area of mental health for LGBTQI youth
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and adults. Within two hundred days of this order, the
Secretary of HHS sell develop and release sample policies for
states to safeguard and expand access to health care for
LGBTQI individuals and their families, including mental health care services.
Now let's pull out for one second to try to
figure out what does that actually do. So what is
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being done there. The thing that is being commanded is
that the Department of Health and Human Services make sample
guidelines for state. And then there's another part where they
were talking about how they were going to form a
committee to study trans mental health care. Uh huh, so
none of this did shit, right, But this is the
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first thing that Trump's like, We're going to overturn this.
I guess the actual substantive shift here is and we'll
get to this in a bit. This didn't do anything.
This was just a pr op he does. And this
is funny because he does a series of these things
every single trans day of visibility, and then nothing ever
happens because as a joke, we've had like.
Speaker 3 (03:50):
So many states since twenty twenty two completely restrict healthcare
for trans people under the age of eighteen, and I've
not heard of a single instance where the federal government
has intervened to to help to help a kid get
puberty blockers in the in a state like where they
passed these sorts of bills.
Speaker 2 (04:10):
I will say this, The Justice Department has done lawsuits, sure, sure,
and I think they won like one of them. So
that's not literally nothing, it's just mostly nothing like and
then this is the thing. It's coming through the judiciary,
not through the federal bureaucracy. And that's a point of
contrast that I want to get to because Trump, you know,
and this is something that's that's always been true about
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sort of the use of executive power by democratic versus
Republican presidents. Right, sure, you know, there are there like
the Democrats sometimes do use like massive executive power overreach,
things like, for example, Obama's claimed to have the legal
authority to kill any man, woman, or child moment they
steff off of the US or regardless of citizenship status.
I think that he used to kill a sixteen year
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old American citizen in Yemen, so that he does that sometimes, right,
But they don't do anything useful with it. And now
let's get to what Trope is going to do with
this quote. Sign a new executive order instructing every federal
agency to cease all programs to promote the concept of
sex and gender and transition at any age. Ask Congress
to permanently stop federal taxpayer dollars from being used to
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promote or pay for these procedures. Okay, so that's bad.
What exactly this does is kind of murky. We're going
to talk about planned parenthood in a second, because there's
another one of these proposals that's a lot worse for
planned parenthood.
Speaker 3 (05:32):
And I guess that'd be going after some level of
like government insurance. If you're trying to get medical care
paid for if you have government insurance, I guess that'd
be what that's trying to target.
Speaker 2 (05:44):
Yeah, I think there's like two things. One and I
think this is the main target is well, I don't know,
it's sort of unclear, but the two main targets I
think are any kind of federal education program that talks
about queer people. Sure, and then the second one. Yeah,
it is like if you're in the military, you won't
be able to tend to anymore because or if and
this is actually a pretty big deal because there are
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a lot of federal employees. The federal employees health insurance
would no longer cover any gender for macare. And this
is for everyone, right because it is not.
Speaker 3 (06:13):
Unfortunately a lot of transgender employees at the DOT yep.
Speaker 2 (06:19):
So that's very bad. Those drones, Oh god, oh you
meant oh the you ha do o D? Yes, the department,
but no, you said do two. Probably the transportation. I
was like, oh, yeah, that's there's a bunch of.
Speaker 3 (06:33):
Well yes also because yes, but I meant I meant
the do O D.
Speaker 2 (06:41):
Yeah, nones. You know, it's bad. There's an open question
here about how exactly this works. So one question that
I I'm genuinely not sure about. There's a possibility this
works like abortion funding, where so federal money can't go
to promoting abortions. I think there's some very weird stuff
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with USAID money overseas, so sometimes happens, but I don't
know someone, I'm not a USCID expert, but you know,
so for example, you so if you are a clinic
that does abortions, right, you can take federal money. You
just can't use the federal money for the abortions. So
it's possible that, you know, for example, so one of
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the one of the Influme Consent clinics in Chicago takes
federal money for HIV treatment. Under this wording, it seems
like they could still get federal funding for that, but
they couldn't take any money for gender firming care. But also,
Congress could just pass a bill that stops I'm pretty
sure it could pass a bill that stops all funding
for anyone who does this. So you know, this is
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something that's kind of interesting about these is that this
stuff is all very very bad. It's also not quite
the maximalist genocidal policy yet, I think in large part
because they haven't taken power and because the groups who
are like pushing this stuff this is actually kind of
an older This This is from February twenty twenty three.
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So okay, it's actually a lot older than a lot
of the other stuff here, And even even back like
in twenty twenty three, the beginning of the year, stuff
was less radical than it is now.
Speaker 3 (08:19):
Yeah, that was before the big we must eliminate transgenderism.
Yeah thing that started with the Daily Wire, and then
Trump mirrored some of that rhetoric in his like a
seapack talk from that spring.
Speaker 2 (08:31):
Yeah, it was.
Speaker 3 (08:32):
It was kind of a ramp up like on some
of like the quote unquote transgender ism rhetoric really was
getting more popular on that time. The kind of groomer
rhetoric from the year previous twenty twenty two is starting
to kind of fade away, and they were finding a
new thing to replace it.
Speaker 2 (08:47):
Yeah, So there's a good, just decent chance that this
stuff is all actually much worse when it gets as
bunched that. That's the way it's written right now, as
best as I can tell. So the third one, and
this one is a fiasco. Any hospital or healthcare provider
who either like gives up puberty blockers or does genderfirming
surgery for miners, or gives hormones to miners can't accept
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Medicare or Medicaid, they get knocked off of the approved list. Okay,
so that is a huge deal because that immediately knocks
out Planned Parenthood. Who plant pair whod gets this like
Sophie's choice thing of either you don't provide puberty blockers
like you don't you don't provide gender firming care of
either like either sort of hormones or puberty blockers to kids,
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or you lose every single person who uses Medicare and Medicaid.
And that's a lot of people. That's like I've seen
numbers that suggests it's like forty percent of people who
use Planned Parenthood use particularly Medicare, And this is a
complete fiasco.
Speaker 3 (09:52):
I also wonder how this would impact like cis, children
who need to be put on puberty blockers, because people
forget that, like combery blockers have been a thing for
like decades and decades that are like well proven to
be safe and effective for delaying puberty. It does not
stop puberty from happening altogether. It does not cast straight
you permanently or in any of these kind of wild claims.
Speaker 2 (10:15):
Yeah, well, and the self that's weird here too, is
like it's the language they're using is really inflammatory shit,
So it's actually deeply unclear what the fuck they're talking about.
Speaker 3 (10:26):
So, I mean, and I've read a lot of these
sorts of bills, even like the Arkansas bill targeting IVF.
When these politicians are questioned about some of the language
that would, ultimately, if written and acted upon as written,
would like block a whole bunch of regular medical procedures
from happening, they're often confused about why they're being asked
about this because they're like, no, obviously things will continue
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on as normal, and if we have to amend the
bill to like change this one little thing, then we'll
do that. They don't actually think about all the little
tiny ways that this will also just like interferes with
like regular medical science. Yeah, and they just digital care
because they know it's because they're never going to prosecute
for stuff like that. It just isn't it. They're genuinely
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not thinking about those other use cases at all.
Speaker 2 (11:11):
Yeah, And like I'm gonna read the first sentence the
first one of these, like the text of it revoke
Joe Biden's cruel policies on so called gender affirming care
and quotes a process that includes giving kids puberty blockers
and mutating their physical appearance and ultimately performing surgery on
minor children. So that's like not real, that's not what
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gender affirming care is. So, but the thing is right,
it's it's fucking impossible to tell whether this would result
in them actually banning all gender affirming care whatsoever, which
includes other stuff as well, or if it's just a
more limited ban like who the fuck knows, because they're
not being specific at all, so this can mutate into
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a whole bunch of stuff. One of the other immediate
sort of impacts of banning, particularly if banning meta, is
that like there's a lot of trans people on it,
because trans people are significantly poorer than SIS people. So
I mean, just to take like a random statistic op so,
the unemployment rate right now in the US is three
point eight percent. The unemployment rate for trans people is
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eighteen percent, which is nineteen thirty five great depression levels
of unemployment. So you know, if you if you're a
transperson out there and you're listening to people tell you
how great the economy is, and you're like, what the
fuck is going on the answer is that you literally
do not live in the same world as assist people
who are telling you this. You live in the nineteen
nineteen thirty five Great Depression. So yeah, but and you know,
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so cutting off one of the ways that people can
access medical care if they you know, can't afford it
is a fucking disaster. This is going to.
Speaker 1 (12:47):
Do.
Speaker 2 (12:47):
I like, presumably if this goes through with the only
way that you're going to be able to get like
gender firming care if you're a kid is by having
rich parents and going to like some kind of clinic
that doesn't take Medicaid Medicare medicaid. Yeah, so you know
what else doesn't take Medicare Medicaid? Actually who knows? I
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don't know. Look, it's a bad time to ad pivots. Okay,
so we're back. So okay, now having gone into all
of that detail, Number four is just quote pass a
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law prohibiting child sexual mutilation in all fifty states.
Speaker 3 (13:36):
So this is see, this is this is a great
example of the thing I was just talking about, how
like theoretically, if one was as smart ass, you'd be like, oh,
so you're banning circumcision. You're like, no, of course not,
because they're they're not thinking about this sort of thing.
This is this is like yeah, no, it's just it's
just yeah, trans kids can't get which also like almost
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never happens. There may be like one or two very
bizarre like outliers where someone has gone through extensive therapy
from a very young age that might result in them
receiving such surgery at like sixteen or seventeen, but that
is such a minuscule amount that that simply just does
not happen. Yeah, in any real statistical notion, you know.
Speaker 2 (14:17):
But I mean, but this is one of these things.
It's hard because it's like, okay, so like what are
they actually what are they talking about? And the answer
is who the fuck knows this? Cre they think this
is happening? Well no, But but also like because like
the you know, one of the things that they do here,
right is they they'll talk about female like they'll talk
about like general and mutilations like whatever, but they'll also
include in that like puberty blockers.
Speaker 3 (14:38):
Yeah, of course, because because to them, pauty blockers are
like a chemical castration device.
Speaker 2 (14:43):
Yeah, and it's all you know, this is one of
these things. But you know, but the thing I should
mention about this one that is I don't know, it's
something I'm short of hasident's talk about because I I
don't know, like I don't like I've torn between wanting
to spread panic and wanting to be like, well, this
is probably what's going to happen. But there's a non
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zero chance that with how far this stuff has gone,
they have Republicans take the House in the Senate, that
this bill turns into just a full band because that's
what's being pushed for now by the sort of constituencies
that this stuff is four it's just like a full
ban in all care. It's way less popular than even
the anti transkid stuff, which is not very popular. But
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on the other hand, like this is I mean, this
entire thing is just Trump sort of like being like yeah,
sure whatever to these like these weird anti transdiptions.
Speaker 3 (15:39):
Yeah, there certainly are a percentage of Republican politicians and
like right wing influencers who do want some of these
bills to expand up to just including everyone or everyone
under the edge of twenty five. As as we've mentioned before,
I still don't think there's it's too far off to
say whether or not this is like something to actually
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like worry about. In any in any real sense. It's
it's it's too murky.
Speaker 2 (16:06):
Yeah. But on the other hand, he is he is
very explicit on just banning all banning care for minors,
like that's this thing that he's very like, that's just
in the text. Right. The next one is one of
the this is like one of the sort of almost
every bill that gets passed by a state legislature now
has this provision that creates like quote the private right
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of action for victims to sue doctors for anyone who
got any kind of gender for mcare as a minor.
This is We've talked about this on the show before.
This is this is you know, this is the thing
that lets detransgrifters who think that God talks to them
like try to go and destroy like doctors and clinics. Yeah,
it's it's it's one of the tactics that they use
to try to like run people who they can't otherwise
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go after legally out of existence. So you know that
that that's like a that's just a sort of normal,
classic anti trans thing that they want to bring to Well.
I guess the other important part of it is is
having this on a national level lets them target clinics
in like blue states that they otherwise normally wouldn't be
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able to.
Speaker 3 (17:16):
Yeah, I mean, that's the big goal of a lot
of this federal stuff is being able to actually have
an effect like New York, California, the other half of
the country. Whereas because right wing governors are doing all
this sort of stuff in a lot of the red states,
but that is not satisfying to a lot of these people.
The reason why this is being pushed on a federal
level is to try to put as much pressure on
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blue states as they can, just out of the desire
for sheer human misery.
Speaker 2 (17:44):
Yep, now speaking of the desire for human visery. So
there is just a there is one very trump one
that I've actually haven't seen before. Quote direct the Department
of Justice to investigate big pharma and the big hospital
networks to determine whether they deliberately covered up horrific long
term side effects of quote sex transitions to get rich
at the expense of vulnerable patients, or illegally marketed hormones
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and puberty blockers which are in no way licensed to
or approved for this use.
Speaker 3 (18:14):
That's that's deeply funny because it's just like nothing he's
saying is real.
Speaker 2 (18:18):
No, like, all that's fake. The long term side effects
of sex transition is being extremely based and cool.
Speaker 3 (18:24):
But no, like there's also there's just nothing to support
any of that notion. So even if the DOJ does
investigate this, they're not gonna find anything because no one's
trying to market testosterone or estrogen to like make money
off of it.
Speaker 1 (18:37):
I know.
Speaker 3 (18:37):
This is one thing that certain freaks at the Daily
Wire try to like talk about being like, ooh, the
shady pharmaceutical companies are making a most money off of estrogen.
It just isn't true because most people aren't paying for
estrogen anyway. They're getting it through like health insurance that
the most I have to pay for is the fucking needles.
Speaker 2 (18:55):
Well and also and also the thing about estrogen is
like the majority of the people who get aestrogen or system, yes, yes,
like so.
Speaker 3 (19:04):
The majority of people who get testosterone are male bodybuilders.
Speaker 2 (19:07):
Yeah, And it's like, like, have you ever fucking tried to
like get a like get like like even something like
facial feminization surgery, which is like technically speaking, is like
a fairly highly paid from when he's plastic surgeon. Do
you know how long the waiting lists are for that
you can't even pay them to do this to you.
You have to pay them and then wait for fucking
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years because no one does it.
Speaker 3 (19:31):
It's like it's it's something that I think, coming off
of like the opioid epidemic, we have certain influencers online
who are trying to like find different ways to tie
in big pharma to whatever thing they're currently talking about,
and they're trying to do that with trans healthcare, and
it's just it is honestly, it doesn't the reason why
you hardly gets talked about because because it doesn't lead anywhere.
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It'll it'll get a passing mentioned in the What Is
a Woman documentary, It'll get this passing mentioned by Trump,
but like you don't actually see anything on the legislative
level actually targeting this because it's just there's just nothing
to do. There's nothing to investigate. Also, all of these
drugs are approved and tested for all of these things.
Yeah yeah, and it happened for decades, so like it's it's
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it's simply not real.
Speaker 2 (20:14):
Yeah, I mean, this is the thing where I mean
I think the actual effect of this with DJ would
just be Trump doing like random witch hunts and like
going through and like rating patients files for.
Speaker 3 (20:23):
Shit, which like Peppa Pippa, you're not allowed, not allowed.
Speaker 2 (20:29):
I don't think the Trump gets this apartment is gonna
give us. So well, here's the thing. Is the Supreme
Court gonna stop them?
Speaker 3 (20:35):
No, of course this Rene Court's not gonna stop Like
is such a non problem because there's just nothing to
do here.
Speaker 2 (20:41):
Yes, but it's like I don't know, like I think
the prospect of Trump realizing he could actually just do
unlimited judicial tyranny and do whatever the fuck he wants
in the Supreme Court, like sure seven to two will
be like yeah, cops have the right to like execute
trans prisoners or some shit.
Speaker 3 (20:58):
Yeah, but that's not what's currently being talked.
Speaker 2 (21:00):
Yeah yeah, yeah yeah, But I mean I I do
I do think there'll be sort of like fake scare
monger reinvestigations. I don't sure. I don't think it. I
just don't think it'll lead a newhere.
Speaker 3 (21:10):
I think it's mostly just like a wild goose chase
to satisfy whatever fucking person who watches too many right
wing podcasts on YouTube. So like it's it's it's I
don't see this as anything like super pressing.
Speaker 2 (21:23):
The next one I think actually could be real, depending
on how motivated they are to do it. So the
next one, so this is a ban on teachers and
anyone who works. So this this is this is supposed
to be a directive sent down from the Apartment of Education,
and it it says no one who works for a school,
So no teachers or any school administration can tell a
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kid that they might be trans and that the consequences
for this are civil like civil rights like investigations into them,
and also the elimination of federal funding for any school
district where this happens. Okay, And that's this is effect
What this effectively is is a threat to cut off
federal funding from states if they don't implement what is
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effectively I don't say transbill that one. I think that
one's going to be pretty real. It kind of depends
on the extent to which the Department of Education is
willing to spend a bunch of time going through individual cases.
But you know, like, given that it's possible that Department
of Education just gets filled with a bunch of like
deranged Trump weirdos, I think there's a real chance that
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this one actually goes through and does stuff. Yeah, And
the other thing about that one is because because that's
a directive through federal agencies, he doesn't it doesn't have
to go through Congress, which is sort of alarming. It's
I don't know. It's one of these things where it's
the question of how powerful is the federal bureaucracy going
to be? And I tend to lean towards the side
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of the federal bureaucracy has an imense capacity to cause harm.
The last part is try. He wants to get a
bill in Congress that ends all recognition of their being
non binary people and saying it the only genders are
men and woman. So this would do things immediately like
getting rid of like the ex gender marker on passports
and only recognizing people to sign gender at birth, which
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means the government is now saying that only to like,
only two genders exist, and also that the federal bureaucracy
gets to assign you a gender, which is, you know,
normally the exact kind of federal tyranny the Republican Party decries,
but you know, they hate us, do they ever, do
they ever actually decry that sort of tyranny? Federal why
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federal tyranny they're supposed to I think it used to
be their thing.
Speaker 3 (23:37):
It's also less like the federal government declaring your gender.
It's like whatever random doctor fills out.
Speaker 2 (23:43):
Well, yeah, for sure, but sure, but the the but
the the government now is forcing you to, in their eyes,
be whatever gender that they decide that you want.
Speaker 3 (23:52):
Yes, And we've had we've had some stuff like this,
try to get yeahs through in Europe and certain certain
US states for like their own state ideas.
Speaker 2 (24:03):
Yeah, so that's part. I don't know why this bill
is these three things lumped together, but it's so the bill,
this specific bill is this one using Title nine to
stop trans women from playing in women's sports in college
or in schools. Sure, and then protecting the right of
the parent to keep your kid from transitioning, which is
fucking So that's fascinating because protecting the right of the
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parent to make to have your kid not transition that
that's a really interesting wording there. Yeah, well, so let
me read the exactly exact wording. Is protects the rights
of parents from being forced to allow their child to
assume a new gender identity without the parents consent.
Speaker 3 (24:41):
Yes, So they're referring to the types of parental Bill
of rights laws, Yeah, that have passed in at like
six Republican states.
Speaker 1 (24:49):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (24:50):
Yeah. So the last one I think is really interesting
and it kind of gives the game away as to
what this is all, like, what the actual point of
this is for someone like Trump who's not that interested,
doesn't like transalle but isn't that interested. And this one,
I'm okay, I'm going to read it first. As part
of our new credentialing system, a credentialing body for teachers,
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we will promote positive education about the nuclear family, the
role of mothers and fathers, and celebrating rather than erasing,
the things that make men and women different and unique. Sure,
so this is this is literally this is this is
legislating institutional like sexism education. Yes, And you know, we've
talked about the credentialing stuff. It's unclear to me how
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this would work because it's not it's not quite the
same credentialing thing that you were talking about. But basically,
this is a federal mandate that says that you can't
be a teacher without teaching sexism, which.
Speaker 3 (25:47):
Is I'm sure, I'm sure the teachers unions will love
to take that one on.
Speaker 2 (25:52):
Yeah, well, you know, I'm i and this is one
of the things that I I I don't know. I
mean you have to like go into like walk in
with a stick and beat them on it. But I
am so excited for the Trump administration has to deal
with an actual national teacher strike. Like, have fun with
that one, you dip shits.
Speaker 3 (26:10):
This is why these types of conservatives really really hate
teachers unions.
Speaker 2 (26:15):
Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (26:16):
They frame teachers unions as being like one of like
the most evil lobbying forces in America because they really
don't like that they don't have complete total control over
teaching kids whatever kind of fucked up a nuclear family
patriarchal bullshit that they want to like mandate by law.
Speaker 2 (26:36):
Yeah, and so they're going to attempt to do They're
they're they're they're going to attempt to every every They're
gonna they're gonna make everyone watch a shitty Matt Walsh
documentary or some ship. And if you complain about it,
they they they prosecute you under the Civil Rights Act
for being good luck discrimination or something. So that's that's
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that's that's Trump's plan to protect children from left wing
gender insanity. It's really quite bad. As funny as some
of it is. I mean, it's a bunch of gender
firming care bands sort of stitch together with stuff trying
to knock hospitals out from doing it, stitch to the
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just the sexism law. Very cool. Yeah, it's quite bad.
Come back tomorrow for probably even worse shit. Don't remember
which one is tomorrow, but you'll we'll find out when
we do.
Speaker 1 (27:42):
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Speaker 1 (00:14):
Hi.
Speaker 2 (00:15):
Okay, so we're covering another aspect of Trump's agenda forty seven.
All right, we're looking at President Trump's plan to protect
children from left wing gender insanity. Now, despite that title,
this is the least trumpy of all of these. He
is just phoning this one the fucking It's the most
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hymn reading off a teleprompter I have ever seen in
any speech he's ever given, because.
Speaker 3 (00:42):
Historically he's never cared about this kind of stuff. He's
just having to do it now to appease the people
he needs to get votes from. But like, if you
look at Trump's stances on transgender people historically, however, not good.
They're not like a genda CIDL. And you can really
tell his hard, isn't it It's.
Speaker 2 (01:02):
He I mean, legitimately, he sounds like so someone doing
an ad read for a rage shadow legend sponsorship, Like
it's it's he's so bored. There's like one. It's funny
because you can tell this just something I started happening
in the middle of the administration was you could tell
when his speech writers were just writing in a Trump
word for him to say so it would look less
like he was. And they're doing it in this one.
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There's only like one genuinely trumpy thing in this Unfortunately,
it all fucking sucks. Ass, it's quite bleak. So let's
let's get into what exactly is in this. I would
love to hear Trump's plan for the transgenders. Yeah, so
first he wants to end Biden's executive order on gender
affirming care. Now you might be asking, wait, Mia, what
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the fuck?
Speaker 4 (01:45):
Wait what executive what executive order? I looked this up too,
because I was like, wait, what is he talking about?
So apparently, back in twenty twenty two, Biden issued a
series of executive orders that were supposed to protect the
rights of trans kids to get gender affirming care.
Speaker 2 (02:00):
So that didn't happen. No, no, no, now these weren't. Yeah,
these were mostly stunningly ineffective. Well, I'm going to quote
from I finally found the actual executive which is disturbingly
hard to find the actual text of because everyone just
wanted you to read the press release, because what's actually
in it is okay. The Secretary of Health and Human
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Services shall, as appropriate and consistent with applicable law, use
the Department of Health and Human Services authority to project
LGBTQI plus individuals access to medically necessary care from harmful
state and local laws and practices, and shall promote the
adoption of promising policies and practices to support health equity,
including in the area of mental health for LGBTQI youth
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and adults. Within two hundred days of this order, the
Secretary of HHS sell develop and release sample policies for
states to safeguard and expand access to health care for
LGBTQI individuals and their families, including mental health care services.
Now let's pull out for one second to try to
figure out what does that actually do. So what is
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being done there. The thing that is being commanded is
that the Department of Health and Human Services make sample
guidelines for state. And then there's another part where they
were talking about how they were going to form a
committee to study trans mental health care. Uh huh, so
none of this did shit, right, But this is the
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first thing that Trump's like, We're going to overturn this.
I guess the actual substantive shift here is and we'll
get to this in a bit. This didn't do anything.
This was just a pr op he does. And this
is funny because he does a series of these things
every single trans day of visibility, and then nothing ever
happens because as a joke, we've had like.
Speaker 3 (03:50):
So many states since twenty twenty two completely restrict healthcare
for trans people under the age of eighteen, and I've
not heard of a single instance where the federal government
has intervened to to help to help a kid get
puberty blockers in the in a state like where they
passed these sorts of bills.
Speaker 2 (04:10):
I will say this, The Justice Department has done lawsuits, sure, sure,
and I think they won like one of them. So
that's not literally nothing, it's just mostly nothing like and
then this is the thing. It's coming through the judiciary,
not through the federal bureaucracy. And that's a point of
contrast that I want to get to because Trump, you know,
and this is something that's that's always been true about
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sort of the use of executive power by democratic versus
Republican presidents. Right, sure, you know, there are there like
the Democrats sometimes do use like massive executive power overreach,
things like, for example, Obama's claimed to have the legal
authority to kill any man, woman, or child moment they
steff off of the US or regardless of citizenship status.
I think that he used to kill a sixteen year
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old American citizen in Yemen, so that he does that sometimes, right,
But they don't do anything useful with it. And now
let's get to what Trope is going to do with
this quote. Sign a new executive order instructing every federal
agency to cease all programs to promote the concept of
sex and gender and transition at any age. Ask Congress
to permanently stop federal taxpayer dollars from being used to
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promote or pay for these procedures. Okay, so that's bad.
What exactly this does is kind of murky. We're going
to talk about planned parenthood in a second, because there's
another one of these proposals that's a lot worse for
planned parenthood.
Speaker 3 (05:32):
And I guess that'd be going after some level of
like government insurance. If you're trying to get medical care
paid for if you have government insurance, I guess that'd
be what that's trying to target.
Speaker 2 (05:44):
Yeah, I think there's like two things. One and I
think this is the main target is well, I don't know,
it's sort of unclear, but the two main targets I
think are any kind of federal education program that talks
about queer people. Sure, and then the second one. Yeah,
it is like if you're in the military, you won't
be able to tend to anymore because or if and
this is actually a pretty big deal because there are
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a lot of federal employees. The federal employees health insurance
would no longer cover any gender for macare. And this
is for everyone, right because it is not.
Speaker 3 (06:13):
Unfortunately a lot of transgender employees at the DOT yep.
Speaker 2 (06:19):
So that's very bad. Those drones, Oh god, oh you
meant oh the you ha do o D? Yes, the department,
but no, you said do two. Probably the transportation. I
was like, oh, yeah, that's there's a bunch of.
Speaker 3 (06:33):
Well yes also because yes, but I meant I meant
the do O D.
Speaker 2 (06:41):
Yeah, nones. You know, it's bad. There's an open question
here about how exactly this works. So one question that
I I'm genuinely not sure about. There's a possibility this
works like abortion funding, where so federal money can't go
to promoting abortions. I think there's some very weird stuff
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with USAID money overseas, so sometimes happens, but I don't
know someone, I'm not a USCID expert, but you know,
so for example, you so if you are a clinic
that does abortions, right, you can take federal money. You
just can't use the federal money for the abortions. So
it's possible that, you know, for example, so one of
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the one of the Influme Consent clinics in Chicago takes
federal money for HIV treatment. Under this wording, it seems
like they could still get federal funding for that, but
they couldn't take any money for gender firming care. But also,
Congress could just pass a bill that stops I'm pretty
sure it could pass a bill that stops all funding
for anyone who does this. So you know, this is
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something that's kind of interesting about these is that this
stuff is all very very bad. It's also not quite
the maximalist genocidal policy yet, I think in large part
because they haven't taken power and because the groups who
are like pushing this stuff this is actually kind of
an older This This is from February twenty twenty three.
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So okay, it's actually a lot older than a lot
of the other stuff here, And even even back like
in twenty twenty three, the beginning of the year, stuff
was less radical than it is now.
Speaker 3 (08:19):
Yeah, that was before the big we must eliminate transgenderism.
Yeah thing that started with the Daily Wire, and then
Trump mirrored some of that rhetoric in his like a
seapack talk from that spring.
Speaker 2 (08:31):
Yeah, it was.
Speaker 3 (08:32):
It was kind of a ramp up like on some
of like the quote unquote transgender ism rhetoric really was
getting more popular on that time. The kind of groomer
rhetoric from the year previous twenty twenty two is starting
to kind of fade away, and they were finding a
new thing to replace it.
Speaker 2 (08:47):
Yeah, So there's a good, just decent chance that this
stuff is all actually much worse when it gets as
bunched that. That's the way it's written right now, as
best as I can tell. So the third one, and
this one is a fiasco. Any hospital or healthcare provider
who either like gives up puberty blockers or does genderfirming
surgery for miners, or gives hormones to miners can't accept
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Medicare or Medicaid, they get knocked off of the approved list. Okay,
so that is a huge deal because that immediately knocks
out Planned Parenthood. Who plant pair whod gets this like
Sophie's choice thing of either you don't provide puberty blockers
like you don't you don't provide gender firming care of
either like either sort of hormones or puberty blockers to kids,
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or you lose every single person who uses Medicare and Medicaid.
And that's a lot of people. That's like I've seen
numbers that suggests it's like forty percent of people who
use Planned Parenthood use particularly Medicare, And this is a
complete fiasco.
Speaker 3 (09:52):
I also wonder how this would impact like cis, children
who need to be put on puberty blockers, because people
forget that, like combery blockers have been a thing for
like decades and decades that are like well proven to
be safe and effective for delaying puberty. It does not
stop puberty from happening altogether. It does not cast straight
you permanently or in any of these kind of wild claims.
Speaker 2 (10:15):
Yeah, well, and the self that's weird here too, is
like it's the language they're using is really inflammatory shit,
So it's actually deeply unclear what the fuck they're talking about.
Speaker 3 (10:26):
So, I mean, and I've read a lot of these
sorts of bills, even like the Arkansas bill targeting IVF.
When these politicians are questioned about some of the language
that would, ultimately, if written and acted upon as written,
would like block a whole bunch of regular medical procedures
from happening, they're often confused about why they're being asked
about this because they're like, no, obviously things will continue
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on as normal, and if we have to amend the
bill to like change this one little thing, then we'll
do that. They don't actually think about all the little
tiny ways that this will also just like interferes with
like regular medical science. Yeah, and they just digital care
because they know it's because they're never going to prosecute
for stuff like that. It just isn't it. They're genuinely
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not thinking about those other use cases at all.
Speaker 2 (11:11):
Yeah, And like I'm gonna read the first sentence the
first one of these, like the text of it revoke
Joe Biden's cruel policies on so called gender affirming care
and quotes a process that includes giving kids puberty blockers
and mutating their physical appearance and ultimately performing surgery on
minor children. So that's like not real, that's not what
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gender affirming care is. So, but the thing is right,
it's it's fucking impossible to tell whether this would result
in them actually banning all gender affirming care whatsoever, which
includes other stuff as well, or if it's just a
more limited ban like who the fuck knows, because they're
not being specific at all, so this can mutate into
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a whole bunch of stuff. One of the other immediate
sort of impacts of banning, particularly if banning meta, is
that like there's a lot of trans people on it,
because trans people are significantly poorer than SIS people. So
I mean, just to take like a random statistic op so,
the unemployment rate right now in the US is three
point eight percent. The unemployment rate for trans people is
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eighteen percent, which is nineteen thirty five great depression levels
of unemployment. So you know, if you if you're a
transperson out there and you're listening to people tell you
how great the economy is, and you're like, what the
fuck is going on the answer is that you literally
do not live in the same world as assist people
who are telling you this. You live in the nineteen
nineteen thirty five Great Depression. So yeah, but and you know,
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so cutting off one of the ways that people can
access medical care if they you know, can't afford it
is a fucking disaster. This is going to.
Speaker 1 (12:47):
Do.
Speaker 2 (12:47):
I like, presumably if this goes through with the only
way that you're going to be able to get like
gender firming care if you're a kid is by having
rich parents and going to like some kind of clinic
that doesn't take Medicaid Medicare medicaid. Yeah, so you know
what else doesn't take Medicare Medicaid? Actually who knows? I
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don't know. Look, it's a bad time to ad pivots. Okay,
so we're back. So okay, now having gone into all
of that detail, Number four is just quote pass a
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law prohibiting child sexual mutilation in all fifty states.
Speaker 3 (13:36):
So this is see, this is this is a great
example of the thing I was just talking about, how
like theoretically, if one was as smart ass, you'd be like, oh,
so you're banning circumcision. You're like, no, of course not,
because they're they're not thinking about this sort of thing.
This is this is like yeah, no, it's just it's
just yeah, trans kids can't get which also like almost
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never happens. There may be like one or two very
bizarre like outliers where someone has gone through extensive therapy
from a very young age that might result in them
receiving such surgery at like sixteen or seventeen, but that
is such a minuscule amount that that simply just does
not happen. Yeah, in any real statistical notion, you know.
Speaker 2 (14:17):
But I mean, but this is one of these things.
It's hard because it's like, okay, so like what are
they actually what are they talking about? And the answer
is who the fuck knows this? Cre they think this
is happening? Well no, But but also like because like
the you know, one of the things that they do here,
right is they they'll talk about female like they'll talk
about like general and mutilations like whatever, but they'll also
include in that like puberty blockers.
Speaker 3 (14:38):
Yeah, of course, because because to them, pauty blockers are
like a chemical castration device.
Speaker 2 (14:43):
Yeah, and it's all you know, this is one of
these things. But you know, but the thing I should
mention about this one that is I don't know, it's
something I'm short of hasident's talk about because I I
don't know, like I don't like I've torn between wanting
to spread panic and wanting to be like, well, this
is probably what's going to happen. But there's a non
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zero chance that with how far this stuff has gone,
they have Republicans take the House in the Senate, that
this bill turns into just a full band because that's
what's being pushed for now by the sort of constituencies
that this stuff is four it's just like a full
ban in all care. It's way less popular than even
the anti transkid stuff, which is not very popular. But
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on the other hand, like this is I mean, this
entire thing is just Trump sort of like being like yeah,
sure whatever to these like these weird anti transdiptions.
Speaker 3 (15:39):
Yeah, there certainly are a percentage of Republican politicians and
like right wing influencers who do want some of these
bills to expand up to just including everyone or everyone
under the edge of twenty five. As as we've mentioned before,
I still don't think there's it's too far off to
say whether or not this is like something to actually
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like worry about. In any in any real sense. It's
it's it's too murky.
Speaker 2 (16:06):
Yeah. But on the other hand, he is he is
very explicit on just banning all banning care for minors,
like that's this thing that he's very like, that's just
in the text. Right. The next one is one of
the this is like one of the sort of almost
every bill that gets passed by a state legislature now
has this provision that creates like quote the private right
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of action for victims to sue doctors for anyone who
got any kind of gender for mcare as a minor.
This is We've talked about this on the show before.
This is this is you know, this is the thing
that lets detransgrifters who think that God talks to them
like try to go and destroy like doctors and clinics. Yeah,
it's it's it's one of the tactics that they use
to try to like run people who they can't otherwise
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go after legally out of existence. So you know that
that that's like a that's just a sort of normal,
classic anti trans thing that they want to bring to Well.
I guess the other important part of it is is
having this on a national level lets them target clinics
in like blue states that they otherwise normally wouldn't be
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able to.
Speaker 3 (17:16):
Yeah, I mean, that's the big goal of a lot
of this federal stuff is being able to actually have
an effect like New York, California, the other half of
the country. Whereas because right wing governors are doing all
this sort of stuff in a lot of the red states,
but that is not satisfying to a lot of these people.
The reason why this is being pushed on a federal
level is to try to put as much pressure on
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blue states as they can, just out of the desire
for sheer human misery.
Speaker 2 (17:44):
Yep, now speaking of the desire for human visery. So
there is just a there is one very trump one
that I've actually haven't seen before. Quote direct the Department
of Justice to investigate big pharma and the big hospital
networks to determine whether they deliberately covered up horrific long
term side effects of quote sex transitions to get rich
at the expense of vulnerable patients, or illegally marketed hormones
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and puberty blockers which are in no way licensed to
or approved for this use.
Speaker 3 (18:14):
That's that's deeply funny because it's just like nothing he's
saying is real.
Speaker 2 (18:18):
No, like, all that's fake. The long term side effects
of sex transition is being extremely based and cool.
Speaker 3 (18:24):
But no, like there's also there's just nothing to support
any of that notion. So even if the DOJ does
investigate this, they're not gonna find anything because no one's
trying to market testosterone or estrogen to like make money
off of it.
Speaker 1 (18:37):
I know.
Speaker 3 (18:37):
This is one thing that certain freaks at the Daily
Wire try to like talk about being like, ooh, the
shady pharmaceutical companies are making a most money off of estrogen.
It just isn't true because most people aren't paying for
estrogen anyway. They're getting it through like health insurance that
the most I have to pay for is the fucking needles.
Speaker 2 (18:55):
Well and also and also the thing about estrogen is
like the majority of the people who get aestrogen or system, yes, yes,
like so.
Speaker 3 (19:04):
The majority of people who get testosterone are male bodybuilders.
Speaker 2 (19:07):
Yeah, And it's like, like, have you ever fucking tried to
like get a like get like like even something like
facial feminization surgery, which is like technically speaking, is like
a fairly highly paid from when he's plastic surgeon. Do
you know how long the waiting lists are for that
you can't even pay them to do this to you.
You have to pay them and then wait for fucking
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years because no one does it.
Speaker 3 (19:31):
It's like it's it's something that I think, coming off
of like the opioid epidemic, we have certain influencers online
who are trying to like find different ways to tie
in big pharma to whatever thing they're currently talking about,
and they're trying to do that with trans healthcare, and
it's just it is honestly, it doesn't the reason why
you hardly gets talked about because because it doesn't lead anywhere.
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It'll it'll get a passing mentioned in the What Is
a Woman documentary, It'll get this passing mentioned by Trump,
but like you don't actually see anything on the legislative
level actually targeting this because it's just there's just nothing
to do. There's nothing to investigate. Also, all of these
drugs are approved and tested for all of these things.
Yeah yeah, and it happened for decades, so like it's it's
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it's simply not real.
Speaker 2 (20:14):
Yeah, I mean, this is the thing where I mean
I think the actual effect of this with DJ would
just be Trump doing like random witch hunts and like
going through and like rating patients files for.
Speaker 3 (20:23):
Shit, which like Peppa Pippa, you're not allowed, not allowed.
Speaker 2 (20:29):
I don't think the Trump gets this apartment is gonna
give us. So well, here's the thing. Is the Supreme
Court gonna stop them?
Speaker 3 (20:35):
No, of course this Rene Court's not gonna stop Like
is such a non problem because there's just nothing to
do here.
Speaker 2 (20:41):
Yes, but it's like I don't know, like I think
the prospect of Trump realizing he could actually just do
unlimited judicial tyranny and do whatever the fuck he wants
in the Supreme Court, like sure seven to two will
be like yeah, cops have the right to like execute
trans prisoners or some shit.
Speaker 3 (20:58):
Yeah, but that's not what's currently being talked.
Speaker 2 (21:00):
Yeah yeah, yeah yeah, But I mean I I do
I do think there'll be sort of like fake scare
monger reinvestigations. I don't sure. I don't think it. I
just don't think it'll lead a newhere.
Speaker 3 (21:10):
I think it's mostly just like a wild goose chase
to satisfy whatever fucking person who watches too many right
wing podcasts on YouTube. So like it's it's it's I
don't see this as anything like super pressing.
Speaker 2 (21:23):
The next one I think actually could be real, depending
on how motivated they are to do it. So the
next one, so this is a ban on teachers and
anyone who works. So this this is this is supposed
to be a directive sent down from the Apartment of Education,
and it it says no one who works for a school,
So no teachers or any school administration can tell a
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kid that they might be trans and that the consequences
for this are civil like civil rights like investigations into them,
and also the elimination of federal funding for any school
district where this happens. Okay, And that's this is effect
What this effectively is is a threat to cut off
federal funding from states if they don't implement what is
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effectively I don't say transbill that one. I think that
one's going to be pretty real. It kind of depends
on the extent to which the Department of Education is
willing to spend a bunch of time going through individual cases.
But you know, like, given that it's possible that Department
of Education just gets filled with a bunch of like
deranged Trump weirdos, I think there's a real chance that
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this one actually goes through and does stuff. Yeah, And
the other thing about that one is because because that's
a directive through federal agencies, he doesn't it doesn't have
to go through Congress, which is sort of alarming. It's
I don't know. It's one of these things where it's
the question of how powerful is the federal bureaucracy going
to be? And I tend to lean towards the side
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of the federal bureaucracy has an imense capacity to cause harm.
The last part is try. He wants to get a
bill in Congress that ends all recognition of their being
non binary people and saying it the only genders are
men and woman. So this would do things immediately like
getting rid of like the ex gender marker on passports
and only recognizing people to sign gender at birth, which
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means the government is now saying that only to like,
only two genders exist, and also that the federal bureaucracy
gets to assign you a gender, which is, you know,
normally the exact kind of federal tyranny the Republican Party decries,
but you know, they hate us, do they ever, do
they ever actually decry that sort of tyranny? Federal why
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federal tyranny they're supposed to I think it used to
be their thing.
Speaker 3 (23:37):
It's also less like the federal government declaring your gender.
It's like whatever random doctor fills out.
Speaker 2 (23:43):
Well, yeah, for sure, but sure, but the the but
the the government now is forcing you to, in their eyes,
be whatever gender that they decide that you want.
Speaker 3 (23:52):
Yes, And we've had we've had some stuff like this,
try to get yeahs through in Europe and certain certain
US states for like their own state ideas.
Speaker 2 (24:03):
Yeah, so that's part. I don't know why this bill
is these three things lumped together, but it's so the bill,
this specific bill is this one using Title nine to
stop trans women from playing in women's sports in college
or in schools. Sure, and then protecting the right of
the parent to keep your kid from transitioning, which is
fucking So that's fascinating because protecting the right of the
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parent to make to have your kid not transition that
that's a really interesting wording there. Yeah, well, so let
me read the exactly exact wording. Is protects the rights
of parents from being forced to allow their child to
assume a new gender identity without the parents consent.
Speaker 3 (24:41):
Yes, So they're referring to the types of parental Bill
of rights laws, Yeah, that have passed in at like
six Republican states.
Speaker 1 (24:49):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (24:50):
Yeah. So the last one I think is really interesting
and it kind of gives the game away as to
what this is all, like, what the actual point of
this is for someone like Trump who's not that interested,
doesn't like transalle but isn't that interested. And this one,
I'm okay, I'm going to read it first. As part
of our new credentialing system, a credentialing body for teachers,
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we will promote positive education about the nuclear family, the
role of mothers and fathers, and celebrating rather than erasing,
the things that make men and women different and unique. Sure,
so this is this is literally this is this is
legislating institutional like sexism education. Yes, And you know, we've
talked about the credentialing stuff. It's unclear to me how
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this would work because it's not it's not quite the
same credentialing thing that you were talking about. But basically,
this is a federal mandate that says that you can't
be a teacher without teaching sexism, which.
Speaker 3 (25:47):
Is I'm sure, I'm sure the teachers unions will love
to take that one on.
Speaker 2 (25:52):
Yeah, well, you know, I'm i and this is one
of the things that I I I don't know. I
mean you have to like go into like walk in
with a stick and beat them on it. But I
am so excited for the Trump administration has to deal
with an actual national teacher strike. Like, have fun with
that one, you dip shits.
Speaker 3 (26:10):
This is why these types of conservatives really really hate
teachers unions.
Speaker 2 (26:15):
Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (26:16):
They frame teachers unions as being like one of like
the most evil lobbying forces in America because they really
don't like that they don't have complete total control over
teaching kids whatever kind of fucked up a nuclear family
patriarchal bullshit that they want to like mandate by law.
Speaker 2 (26:36):
Yeah, and so they're going to attempt to do They're
they're they're they're going to attempt to every every They're
gonna they're gonna make everyone watch a shitty Matt Walsh
documentary or some ship. And if you complain about it,
they they they prosecute you under the Civil Rights Act
for being good luck discrimination or something. So that's that's
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that's that's Trump's plan to protect children from left wing
gender insanity. It's really quite bad. As funny as some
of it is. I mean, it's a bunch of gender
firming care bands sort of stitch together with stuff trying
to knock hospitals out from doing it, stitch to the
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just the sexism law. Very cool. Yeah, it's quite bad.
Come back tomorrow for probably even worse shit. Don't remember
which one is tomorrow, but you'll we'll find out when
we do.
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