June 18, 2024 • 45 mins
James, Sophie, and Molly talk about their gardens and give listeners tips on starting their own garden this summer.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Cool Zone Media welcome. It could happen here. I am
Sophie Lecter when I am the executive producer of all
of Cool Zone Media, and I didn't have time to
touch grass today, so this is the closest I'm going
to get to that. And here with me leading the
conversation will be James Stout. And also here is one
of my favorite people on this entire planet, Allie Conger.
(00:25):
James take it away.
Speaker 2 (00:27):
Thank you, Sophie. Magnificent intro. As Sophie said, we're here
today to talk about grass. So no, really grass, but
it's just like plants in general. I wanted to do
an episode on having a little garden because I think
it is a thing that would make people happy, and
also it's a way to have food for yourself. It's
not free, but once the plants keep growing, you don't
have to pay any more for the food, so it's
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a nice thing to do. I enjoyed to grow plants,
and I wanted to share that with you. Do you
have little gardens? Molly and Sophie.
Speaker 3 (00:56):
Yes.
Speaker 1 (00:58):
Oh so.
Speaker 3 (00:58):
I moved to a new apartment last year and in
sort of a rare and strange arrangement, my first floor
apartment has like a little dirt patch. It's I think
it was originally supposed to be where the HVAC units are,
because it's like walled off by this sort of tall wall.
It's this ten foot by ten foot pit, but the
HVAC units are not there. So that's where I grow
my tomatoes.
Speaker 1 (01:19):
Yeah, my porch is currently a fruit garden. I have
a bunch of things starting in pots. I've got a
lemon tree. I've got a mandarin tree, which I'm really
excited about. I grew a mandarin tree when I lived
in California and then gifted to my dad and then
he gifted it to a friend of his and it's
still doing really well, so that's nice. I have a
(01:41):
boys and berry plant. I have what did I just buy?
I'm trying to think. I just bought another fruit thing. Oh,
it's like some citrus hybrid thing. So my porch is
filled with fruit things that should live for a very
long time. And then my friend Sarah is on a
gardening kick and so anything else we grow in her
(02:05):
yard and she's growing literally everything that's good.
Speaker 2 (02:09):
Love to grow everything. Yeah, So if you want to
grow everything, if you're listening and you're thinking, I would
like to be like Sophia money and grow vegetables and trees.
Trees are hard, especially if you're a renter.
Speaker 1 (02:21):
Yeah, you have to start them in a pot and then,
depending on climate, I bring mine inside during the cooler
times and I have them under a grow bulb. It's
not a quick commitment.
Speaker 2 (02:33):
No, yeah, it is an undertaking. And yeah, if you
want to let them grow big, then you either have
to get giant pots or put them in the ground.
Speaker 1 (02:41):
Did they put them in the ground? Which is hard
when most people in this country can't afford to buy
a home.
Speaker 2 (02:45):
Yes, it is. It sucks. And then you don't want
to giving things to your landlord for free because fucking yeah. Well,
let's talk about things that you can do in a
smaller timeframe than trees. So I've just got a few
bullet points here. We're going to go through them and
you all can interrupt me with your experiences or questions,
should you have any. If you're making a little garden
for yourself, obviously you're gonna have to start out with
(03:06):
choosing a spot for your garden. It depends, I think,
on where you live. So if you're like on the
fifth floor, and you don't have access to any ground
yard garden soil. That could be your windowsill, right, it
could be your balcony if you have a balcony. All
you really need is somewhere that has good access to sunlight.
(03:27):
All the other stuff you can bring in yourself. Right.
You can bring the soil yourself. You can bring the
water and all the nutrients that your plants need. But obviously,
I guess you could make the sunlight in my kitchen.
I have a little arrow garden which has its own
little UV light bulb, and you can use those to
grow some stuff. Or people have maybe some other hydroponic
gardening experience.
Speaker 3 (03:46):
They have done elaborate setups for their tomatoes.
Speaker 1 (03:50):
Yeah, do you remember that. I think it was like
twenty nineteen when everybody's relative gave them one of those
like indoor herb garden kits that don't want the air.
Speaker 2 (04:00):
Yeah, sear a garden. I have one of They say work.
Speaker 1 (04:03):
No, no, no, no no, not the expensive arrow garden one,
but the knockoff ones. Everybody, Yeah, everybody got one of those,
and then you saw them elsewhere.
Speaker 3 (04:13):
And that sort of commodification is so silly, right, because
to grow like a little pot of basil. You don't
need stuff. You don't need to buy a thing. You
need a windowsill.
Speaker 1 (04:21):
I can't grow basil. Really, we're not compatible.
Speaker 2 (04:24):
Interesting.
Speaker 1 (04:25):
I love basil. I use it constantly. I try to
grow it. I kill it every time.
Speaker 2 (04:31):
What way is it dying?
Speaker 3 (04:33):
It just wilts.
Speaker 2 (04:34):
Basil doesn't like its feet in the water. It has
to have quite dry soil.
Speaker 3 (04:38):
It wilts.
Speaker 1 (04:39):
And then I'll try again and I'll ignore it. It wilts.
I'll try it again, and I'll give it a little
bit of water.
Speaker 3 (04:44):
It wilts.
Speaker 1 (04:44):
I'll try it again. I'll give it a lot of water.
It wilts. I'll try it again, and I guess how
it ends.
Speaker 2 (04:51):
It wilt.
Speaker 3 (04:52):
I have an abundance of it because I'm constantly topping it.
Because you want to top your basil all the time
so that it branches instead of flowering. So when I
top it, I'm like, why, I don't wan is this?
I'll root these and I have, like, you know, seven
hundred basils.
Speaker 1 (05:03):
What it's me?
Speaker 2 (05:04):
Maybe Molly could send one to Sophie and we can see.
Speaker 3 (05:06):
Yeah, you're welcome to some of my basil.
Speaker 1 (05:08):
Yeah, because pasta is one of the greatest things that's
ever happened to anybody.
Speaker 2 (05:13):
Mm hmm. Oh you need this a little pine nut
pine tree, I guess, and some basil and a little
sheep and you can make pecorino cheese.
Speaker 1 (05:20):
There you go.
Speaker 2 (05:21):
And then yeah, and some anchovies.
Speaker 3 (05:23):
Of course, you just need your own sheep.
Speaker 2 (05:25):
Yeah, everyone should have.
Speaker 1 (05:27):
Anderson would have the best time hurting one.
Speaker 2 (05:30):
Sheep that the poor sheep were probably not.
Speaker 1 (05:35):
I pictured it. It's really funny.
Speaker 2 (05:39):
You can't just have one sheep. They need friends sheep
and not a solitary animal. Yeah, you have to get several.
Speaker 1 (05:44):
Well, Anderson will hurt them all.
Speaker 2 (05:47):
Yeah, we'd love to see that. All right. So if
you've selected your spot right where you have access to sunlight,
the next thing you need is a vessel. So during COVID,
lots of people start a garden. It's not that we
are not also in COVID right now right, but during
the lockdown twenty twenty, when everyone was working from home
for the first time, people started their little guidance. And
(06:08):
I think lots of folks who didn't start back then
or you moved out since then, Like people just built
lots of planters, often in that area between the pavement
and the road, which has a name that I've forgotten now.
Speaker 3 (06:21):
Oh, that's one of those things that has a different
name in every region of the US, and wherever you go,
if you're calling it the wrong thing, people look at
you like you're an alien.
Speaker 2 (06:29):
Yeah, I don't know what that's called in California.
Speaker 3 (06:31):
I think in New Jersey they call it the Devil's Strip.
Speaker 2 (06:35):
For real. I'm pretty sure we're going to call it
the devil Strip in this podcast because that's a better
name than I could have come up with. If you're
gardening in the Devil's Strip, that sounds like a euphemism
for growing weed, like when people call it the Devil's Letters. Yeah,
you're growing your Devil's letters and the Devil's Strip. That's
a good place to build a planter, right generally, Like
(06:56):
you should be able to obtain lumber for that somewhere,
Like I don't think you should be paying for lumber
in this day and age. Yeah, And they're pretty easy
to build, right if you are building a planter some considerations.
You probably shouldn't stain the inside of the lumber that
you're using. There's stuff in there that you probably don't
want it if you intend to eat the plants. I
think it's a pretty bad idea. Or to get lumber
(07:18):
which is pre treated, Right, If you get something which
is naturally resistant to rotting, like a hot red wood
or something like that, that's going to last a bit longer, right.
Speaker 1 (07:27):
Yeah, I mean you should be able to find some
kind of cedar or redwood around. I agree with your
assessment that you should not have to pay for that. Yeah,
although it's not something that if you have like a
good local hardware store, it's not something that's super expensive.
But price it for you buy it, That's what I'll say.
Speaker 3 (07:45):
And it's certainly cheaper to just buy the wood than
it is to buy like a pre made wooden plant.
Speaker 2 (07:49):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (07:50):
The mark upon that is crazy.
Speaker 1 (07:51):
Incredibly overpriced for something that you would find at a
big box store.
Speaker 2 (07:56):
Yeah, and crap too. There was one in one place
I live that was like maybe a quarter of an
inch thick and like it dovetailed together, but then like
the dovetails kind of bulged out when they got too wet,
and it was not a good figure. Don't don't buy one,
build one. If you have decking screws in two by fours,
you can build your own planet to it doesn't degree
(08:17):
require a high level of carpentry knowledge. So then you're
going to have to put some soil in your planter, right,
You could grow plants in like likakers, like the clay composite.
Have you seen this, like little balls? Yeah, but I
think I have. Yeah, just to start off with, we'll
we'll start with soil because it's the easiest thing to access.
I think in lots of cities you can get free
(08:38):
compost if you go to the tip. Don't know if
that's the case where you guys live, but here you
can get free compust if you go to the tip.
Speaker 1 (08:46):
I'm unfamiliar with that. But now I'm like, wait, can
we do that because we should?
Speaker 2 (08:51):
Right?
Speaker 3 (08:52):
Have I been missing out on free dirt because I've
been I've been paying for dirt.
Speaker 2 (08:55):
Okay, Yeah, this is a huge life act. Do you
have those green bins where you put like compostable rubbish?
Speaker 1 (09:02):
Of course? Oh no, we don't, so ifial lifts in Portland, yeah,
and like I live in Portland, of course.
Speaker 2 (09:07):
Okay. So if you have that, I'm guessing your municipality
is composting it, right, which would mean that it has
a large amount of compost, at least in San Diego.
I would be blown away if San Diego was leading
the way and giving residents anything other than more cops
for their taxpayer dollars. We can get free have a
pickup truck. I think I can get too pick up
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trucks full of compost. You have to go and shovel
it yourself right into your truck, and obviously you have
to have some kind of vehicle to transport it. But
it's a good way to get free soil, especially if
you're like doing a project. Often, if you're planting vegetables
in your garden, right, the soil that you're planting them
into might not be good quality top soil, right. That
top soil might have been taken away when you're building
(09:48):
was constructed, or you might have all kinds of aggregate
waste sort of mixed in there, right, gravel and stuff
like that. It might not be the best quality growing soil.
So if you can go into getting some of the
free compost is the move. What I like to do
when I'm starting a little garden and I've got my
soil is to do a soil chemistry test. Have you
guys done soil chemistry tests I have.
Speaker 3 (10:10):
My style of gardening is more just kind of vibing out.
Speaker 1 (10:13):
Okay, vibelides based Hey Portland as free compost.
Speaker 3 (10:19):
Is I get information overload really fast. When I first
started my little garden, I thought, we like, I'm do
some googling. I'm gonna do some researching. I'm gonna go
to the agricultural Extension website and learn about my local soil.
And then like, once i have seventy tabs open and
I'm trying to consume the information, I was like, you
know what, plants grow outside. They'll be fine, They'll be fine.
Speaker 2 (10:39):
It is true. There is a lot you can do
and a lot that you don't have to do when
it comes to gro own clients. My mother was a
lecture in agricultural called it. Therefore, I'm bound to get
a little home test kit and tests today. Do you
know what the three essential nutrients are? To we turn
into a quiz format for plants.
Speaker 3 (10:53):
Lash nitrogen, Yeah, a different element.
Speaker 2 (11:00):
That's correct. H These are things, These are real things.
Speaker 1 (11:07):
All I can think of is that that's right.
Speaker 3 (11:11):
Fat as a heat.
Speaker 2 (11:14):
If your plant isn't hitting its macros, it will not
get swollen. Exactly one of the things about.
Speaker 3 (11:19):
I'm feeling my tomatoes creatine.
Speaker 1 (11:21):
Is that right? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (11:22):
Yeah, that's why they're hench as fun.
Speaker 1 (11:23):
Are we talking like magnesium close?
Speaker 2 (11:27):
Uh? That that too is an element?
Speaker 3 (11:29):
I had nitrogen though, that's right, Yeah, Molly is.
Speaker 2 (11:33):
Yeah, Muddy got that one right. I'm trying to do
it like a ratio. I couldn't work it out.
Speaker 1 (11:38):
Nitrogen phosphors, Okay, I was like almost there.
Speaker 2 (11:42):
Yeah, you're very close with magnesia.
Speaker 3 (11:44):
Are you growing a gardener blowing up a federal building?
Speaker 2 (11:47):
James porque, Nola's do Molly, I'm growing a guarden for
legal and truth based reasons. I'm growing a guard You
want nitrogen, phosphorus, and potassium. Those are your three essential nutrient.
There are fifteen other nicron nutrients. I guess that plants
need vitamins. Yeah, the little you know omega threes for
(12:08):
their joints. They need MP and K in different ratios
depending on different plants. Right, So tomatoes need a lot
of potassium obviously.
Speaker 1 (12:15):
Molly and I are like, we're here to talk about plants.
Why are we in chemistry class? What's happening?
Speaker 2 (12:22):
James?
Speaker 3 (12:23):
I buy a bag that says tomato food and there's
a picture of a cartoon tomato on it. That's what
I know you're doing great.
Speaker 2 (12:30):
You can't go wrong with looking at the picture on
the thing. I use this technique for all kinds of things.
It's why I don't buy Quaker oats anymore. Very disturbing.
I want to empower you to not have to buy
the tomato man bag. In the case of tomatoes, right,
you need a lot of potatum, especially to get the fruit.
You can use a lot of nacuene early on to
get the leaves. Then you need the potassium to get
them to fruit. So you're going to seek to have
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the soil chemistry that suits the plants that you want
to grow. Right. You can't really like improve your sign
unless you know where you're starting from. So you're going
to look at the NPK and the pH and then
going from there. When you're buying commercial fertilizers, you can
normally see the balance or set it on the bag
or sit on the website, right, and you're trying to
augment that soil to get the soil chemistry you want
to grow the plants that you want to eat, or
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maybe not eat, maybe just have you can also add
organic matters to your soil. If you're doing that, like,
you're just gonna have to like test and test again
kind of think, because when your cowshits, you don't get
a bag which then gives you the amount of ninet
gen phosphorus and potassium.
Speaker 3 (13:30):
That's why I buy the cowshit in a bag.
Speaker 2 (13:32):
James, Wow, that's a great business idea.
Speaker 3 (13:35):
No, they sell it at loss.
Speaker 2 (13:36):
They sell it lows cowshit in a bag. Okay, maybe
that is a wonderful time to take a break for advertisements.
Speaker 3 (13:43):
Hopefully one of the advertisers is shit in a Bag.
Speaker 2 (13:45):
Shitt in a Bag. Longtime supporter of the show, I
please enjoy this advert for shit in the Bag. We
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to share with you. You'll have to guess. Okay, So
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I like to use chicken manure for mine, but you
do have to rot it down right. If you're putting
manure on your soil, it'll burn it if you just
dump it straight on there. You can't just literally dump
shit into your soil. This hopefully is not used to anyone.
Speaker 3 (14:19):
Got to age it like a fine wine.
Speaker 2 (14:20):
Yeah, exactly, it does improve with age. Buttlet up, cork
it and put a vintage on it and then rotate
it every few years so it doesn't get sediment as
the bottom. If you can get a compost here and
you can go after making your own compus, it's a
fun thing to do. You get one of the barrel
composters that you turn.
Speaker 3 (14:36):
I have one of those, yeah, oh yeah, because my
dirt patch is like not really supposed to be a garden,
and I don't have a lot of room for a
compost heap. Love a compost heap, better way to do it.
But because I just have patio space, m I have
one of those big plastic compost tumblers and I love it.
It works good, pretty fast. I was lucky enough last year.
This was not intentional. I did not invite them. But
(14:57):
I have black soldier flies in my car. Do you
know those little guys. They're like pretty long, shiny black flies,
but their larva are these like little grubs, And so
I opened my compost. It was like, who the hell
are all these grubs? But black soldier fly larva just
devour organic matter and so they break down they break
down your compost really fast. I love them so much
(15:20):
that I just bought some. They came in the mail today.
I got a box in the mail today that said, like, caution,
live bugs. I dump dump those little babies in my tumbler.
Speaker 2 (15:29):
Nice. Yeah they thrive there.
Speaker 3 (15:32):
Oh yeah, they love it in there.
Speaker 2 (15:34):
Yeah. We had some lava. I didn't know what they were,
but we had a compost heat that I moved a
couple of years ago. When I moved it, the chickens
had probably the best day of it, just chasing around people.
Speaker 3 (15:44):
Farm Black Soldier fly as chicken feed so that you
can have this whole setup where you're growing them on
purpose and then they sort of fall down the tray
and the chickens eat them. I don't have any chickens yet.
I think my apartment neighbors would not like that.
Speaker 2 (16:00):
Fuck the money to play rage against the machine as
you install your chicken cube, I.
Speaker 3 (16:06):
Mean the dogs would love it. Buck has met a
chicken before, and in his mind it is like the
rawest chicken, right, Like this is the most tempting.
Speaker 2 (16:13):
Treat of the forbidden dog treat, the raw nugget. Yeah,
and then they give chickens can be pretty mean.
Speaker 1 (16:19):
Hey, Reese, featherspoon is a national treasure.
Speaker 2 (16:25):
Yeah, raised featherspoon is. She is not a mean chicken.
She was just sitting on my lap earlier before we recorded.
She sees a friendly chicken. She does. So if there
is blood on me, she will attack even me her
father and friend. So if you don't have any manure,
that's fine.
Speaker 3 (16:41):
You can make your own dirt at home. I recommend it.
It's great you can. It's very fulfilling to take like
waste and turn it into something useful. You can do
it on the city scale like Portland does, or you
can do it on a home scale, which is fun
and it's always nice to you know, reduce your amount
of shit there, especially if they don't compost, Like if
you don't have a green bin. It's less going into
land for, isn't it. So that's always a good thing.
Speaker 2 (17:03):
So now you've you've got your vessel and you've got
your soil, and you're going to have to decide about
your plants. Right. One great resource to consult it's a
USDA Plant Hardiness Map. Have you guys been browsy.
Speaker 3 (17:15):
Know your zone? Baby?
Speaker 2 (17:17):
Yep?
Speaker 1 (17:17):
You have to, or else you could just be committing
plant masker.
Speaker 3 (17:21):
I mean there's a lot of debate right now in
the in the community about the rezoning, the rezone, the
USDA Plant Hardiness Map. Yeah, Like my mom buys all
of her bulbs from this bulb farm and they put
out a notice saying like, we are not using the
revised map, We're staking the original, We're not changing the catalog.
Speaker 2 (17:38):
Yeah. Being a trad but for the USDA.
Speaker 3 (17:40):
Plant return to tradition.
Speaker 2 (17:43):
Yeah, I'm a USDA Plant hardness believer. And the climate
is changing, So the ship that your grandparents grow might
not work for you. If you have colder winters, especially
right for the winter's getting colder where you are, that
might be difficult for your plants. So consult that map.
The map isn't going to tell you what to grow
so much as what can make it through your winters,
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and so it's a good place to start. You're also
going to want to think about plants that you can
fit into your space. Right. If you want to grow
yourself a sequoia, that's cool, but you know, if you're
operating with a balcony, it's probably not going to be
Maybe you can make a bond size sequoya. That was
your thing, but you needed to plant the allfit with
your space, right, definitely, If you want to grow plants
(18:28):
that you want to eat, think about things that are
high yielding, right, and perpetual spinach is a great one.
If you're like a first timer, perpetual spinach you can
cut and come again, so you pick some and a
bit more cums and bit more cums. You don't have
to like harvest it all at one time. Tomatoes are
a classic, right. You can even grow them straight in
one of those grow bags. Just cut a hole, put
tomatoes in. If you've got enough depth, you can do
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root vegetables, so things like carrot, turnip, swedes you can
get of course potatoes or a classic you can make
a potato tower if you wanted to to the great
way to have lots of potatoes in a relatively small space.
So choose something that will also grow depending on the
amount of climate window you have. Right, So, if you
have short summers and you have something that needs a
(19:12):
lot of sunlight to grow, you want something that will
grow and mature in the amount of time you have
right before the weather turns to shit again and it's
too cold for that. Plant or choose something that's suitable
for the climate you have. Like I just harvested some
winter giant spinach because I agree that over the winter
and it's very hardy and doesn't need quite as much sunlight.
That was very good. And I'm about to start having
(19:32):
my early girl tomatoes, which they arrive earlier than your
conventional tomato. Like there's a tomato for everything, wherever you are,
whatever you need, Like, there's a tomato for you.
Speaker 3 (19:41):
It's overwhelming. So like last year, like I said, I'm
doing this five space, right, So I went to the
garden store and I just picked out a couple of
tomato plants that had names like that were funny.
Speaker 2 (19:50):
I think that's a great strategy.
Speaker 3 (19:51):
Right, that's very valid. But this year I was a
little more selective, right, so because I grew fewer tomatoes
this year, because I think last they were a little
too close together. It was at overwhelming, a little busy
in there. I want to do more cucumbers this year,
so I only have five tomato plants. I have two
different cherry tomatoes have a Cherokee purple. Oh gosh, who
are the other guys? The other ones were just names
(20:12):
I thought were interesting. I did it again. But the
great thing about tomatoes is on the little tag it'll
say how many days to maturity, So like you don't
have to guess, you don't have to do a lot
of homework or research. It'll stay right on the tag,
like eighty five days to harvest.
Speaker 2 (20:28):
Yeah, going to the garden entry, they're going to sell
stuff that's suitable for the climate you're living in, right,
and then yeah, you can see how long it will
take to harvest. Ideally you could space them out, right,
so you don't just have a g loot of tomatoes
and then no tomatoes for the rest of your life
or the rest of the.
Speaker 3 (20:42):
Year producing, especially if you get indeterminates.
Speaker 2 (20:44):
Yeah, they will keep producing, you can, uh, I mean they'll.
Speaker 3 (20:47):
Keep producing till the first frost. So we had cherry
tomatoes through November last year.
Speaker 2 (20:52):
Aweso, Wow, I thought you guys got cold.
Speaker 3 (20:54):
We're seven b but Charlotte feels kind of in a valley,
so it stays warmer a little longer.
Speaker 2 (21:00):
Nice. Yeah, it's San Diego is of course, you can
almost have this stuff yet around eternal summer. Well, we
have winters now. The last two winters have been very wet.
Speaker 1 (21:08):
Yeah, I had to have a bit of a learning
curve coming from California to Oregon within the different climates.
And I have to say that with the things that
I had in pots, bringing them inside with grow bulbs
has been for older weather has been pretty successful for
me at keeping things alive. Yeah, they're not as fruitful obviously,
but they do not die.
Speaker 2 (21:28):
Yeah, that's a wind. If you're in Portland or somewhere
feather north and like you know that your plant won't
make it through the winter, that's a strategy, right. You
can have a place set aside, you bring it in.
You can have a grow bulb.
Speaker 1 (21:38):
And honestly a lot of lamps. They sell bulbs that
are grow bulbs that can go directly in the lamps
you already have, so you don't need to buy anything fancy.
The bulbs are pretty expensive and they're sold at most
local hardware stores, so you're really spending like five dollars
on a bowl instead of spending you know, thirty dollars
on some fancy contraption.
Speaker 2 (21:57):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (21:58):
Yeah, my mom has a shop light, you know the sort.
It's like a metal lampshade, a clip. It's just a
cheap shoplight that she clips onto a shelf to shine
at her plants. Her version of oh yeah.
Speaker 2 (22:08):
That guy's demonstrating audio listeners.
Speaker 3 (22:12):
Her empty nesting has involved a whole grow situation, like
there's no dining room at my parents' house anymore. There's
more for us to eat when we go home to
the dining room is a greenhouse. I love like tropical
plants that have to live inside in the winter. She's
got like a boogain vida that's like ten feet tall
that comes in the house in the winter.
Speaker 2 (22:30):
Amazing.
Speaker 1 (22:31):
I just bought some bougain via that I have been
a pot right now because I grew up with bougainvilla
in California, and I finally found a nursery that had
it in an, Oregon, and I was.
Speaker 3 (22:40):
Like home because I always thought it was a potted
plant until I saw it outside in a tropical environment.
It's not a potted plant, not a potter.
Speaker 2 (22:49):
Not in San Diego. It is a plant that will
take over your guide.
Speaker 1 (22:51):
In Sorry, James, we've gone off the rails. Back to
what you're saying.
Speaker 2 (22:55):
Okay, yeah, returning to the rails. I did want to
plug native seeds. I love native sea search for finding
different and exciting seeds and preserving indigenous people's horticultural traditions
and like lifeways. I have grown lots of seeds from
native seed search with great success, And it's cool in
a world of increasingly like monocultural agriculture to preserve something
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that is part of someone's culture. Zapatistas will also send
you corn. I'm sure anyone on the left who's over
thirty years old is very familiar with zapatis to corn,
I'm sure. But for the youth among us, you can
order corn from the zapatistas that actually comes from somebody
in San Diego who will send you some of this
sort of heritage variety corn. And you're preserving this corn
(23:40):
in a world where corn is increasingly commercialized. Right, things
like Montstanto have a lockdown on some of these corn varieties. Right,
they're like patented varieties. Right, even if you don't sew them,
they're sort of invading the genome of these indigenous corn types.
So keeping these varieties alive is a cool thing to do.
To do this when I was like sixteen, this is
(24:01):
like early activism. Me was like growing some zappaties to
corn in my parents' greenhouse. But that's the thing you
can do if you want cool corn.
Speaker 3 (24:08):
I think it's important too to look up what's native
to your area, and not just because it is you know,
the right thing to do, but it'll grow better where
you live. The pollinators will be attracted to it where
you live. I was just looking up like here in Virginia,
the Department of Wildlife Resources will sell you native seeds
for your area at a pretty good affordable rice. So, like,
look up what wants to live where you are growing it.
Speaker 2 (24:31):
Yeah, totally.
Speaker 3 (24:32):
A lot of things, like ornamental garden plants are highly
invasive and destructive to your local habitat. So things that
might look really nice in your yard are destructive to
your environment.
Speaker 2 (24:44):
Yeah, that's a big thing that It's probably a big
thing everywhere, but like in California, and we talk about
like invasive mustard. Right when you see these big yellow
hillsides in California, that's an invasive plant. Of course, there's
the climate changes. What is indigenous to one area may
no longer be suitable for growing there. It's definitely happened
with some plants. I'll get a lot of plants as
well from desert Survivors, which is a little nursery in Tucson,
(25:06):
Arizona where I like to go and buy desert plants
because I do not like to have plants that are
extremely thirsty for water. This is my transition to our
watering segment. You need to water your plants right. This
is something that people probably know that some tips for watering.
You want to water your plants regularly and consistently. Plants
(25:29):
can get stressed if you have a lot of water,
then no water, then a lot of water again. If
you're using a vibe space watering strategy, you might be
causing your plant excessive stress. So I like to water
my plants morning or evening because in the heat of
the day you're going to lose more to evaporation. If
you're really going for it, you can set up a
drip feeder, which is a pretty cool system where the
(25:51):
little lines and they just drip water onto your plants.
Those are a really great way to irrigate. You can
also do what I often do, which is think a
lot and then use your plants as an excuse for
doing that. By taking the little glass bottles and making
plant waters out of them, so you fill them up
and then basically shove them in the ground as long
(26:12):
as you can get a good plug of soil in
the end of the bottle.
Speaker 3 (26:14):
I misunderstood where you were going with that. I thought
you were pissing on your vegetables. No, so I've heard
of putting urine in your compost tumbler, something about the
urea and the nitrogen. But I don't think you're supposed
to piss right on the tomatoes.
Speaker 2 (26:28):
No.
Speaker 1 (26:30):
I was trying to understand what Molly's the gig face
was really.
Speaker 2 (26:35):
Money is baffled by this bottle idea.
Speaker 3 (26:38):
I don't pee on my garden. Yeah, I mean it's
sort of street facing. I think it would be sort
of loud and lascivious.
Speaker 1 (26:42):
For the record, Molly does not pee on her garden.
Speaker 2 (26:46):
I want everyone to know that Molly's not a garden. No.
Speaker 3 (26:49):
But watering is a big issue for me, right, So,
because it's not supposed to be a garden. There there's no.
Speaker 2 (26:54):
Hose, there's a water source, there's.
Speaker 3 (26:56):
No external like spigott for me to hook up a
hose too. There's so I have to use a two
gallon watering can that I fill in my bathtub and
then take out one at a time, and so you
know you're supposed to, like the equivalent of one inch
of water per week is about average for a little
vegetable garden, which is like zero point six gallons per
square foot. So for my ten foot by ten foot,
(27:18):
I'm looking at sixty gallons a week. So I every
other day fill up my watering. Can you know ten
or twenty times? It's an endeavor, good way, It's an endeavor.
Speaker 2 (27:27):
Yeah, it's a commitment to the plants. You could like
do a hose and run out your window from the tap.
Speaker 3 (27:33):
I looked into it. And so for people who live
in apartments and have a lot of house plants, there's
like an adapter you can get for your kitchen sink
that you can screw a hose onto. But I do
not have the right kind of faucet for that.
Speaker 2 (27:43):
Disappointing. I bet someone listening has a solution from moll
they'se plants.
Speaker 1 (27:47):
But first it's time for advertisements.
Speaker 3 (27:50):
I hope it's an advertisement for pissing outside.
Speaker 2 (27:53):
That would be great. I would read advert for pissing outside.
Speaker 1 (27:57):
I just feel like that's what we're missing the world,
isn't it.
Speaker 2 (28:00):
Surely like Jocko or someone has done a like pissing
outside Jordan Peterson that they've done sunning your balls, they
must have done pissing outside.
Speaker 3 (28:09):
So if you ask the people that make the shi
Wi a Fal sponsor the show, sure.
Speaker 2 (28:20):
We are back and we are now going to talk
about and your versus perennial plants, a topic they know
many of you have been wondering about. Would one of
you like to explain? I'm sure you're familiar with annuals
and perennials, which one of you like to take on
the task of explaining them to our listeners?
Speaker 3 (28:34):
Sophie, what annuals just live for the one growing season.
Perennials will come back next year, is the short of it.
Speaker 1 (28:43):
I definitely could have answered that.
Speaker 2 (28:45):
Well you didn't, did you, Sophie?
Speaker 3 (28:47):
So your tomatoes are annuals. Allegedly, my halapennia is supposed
to be a perennial. She did not make it rip.
Speaker 2 (28:54):
We've had a couple of peppers over winter. I have
a thie bird chili that made it from a couple
of winters. Now it'll depend a little bit on where
you are as well, if they'll make it through the
and I think.
Speaker 3 (29:03):
I should have pruned it back earlier before the frost.
I think they winter better if you prune them back.
It was potted, I could have sunk the pot in
the soil so the soil temperature would remain more constant.
But I didn't do that. I about a new one.
Speaker 1 (29:15):
I respect that.
Speaker 2 (29:17):
So some other things to consider I'm going through. Things
that you might need to add as your guide growth
would be like frames for plants that creep or plants
that climb. Some tomatoes will need a frame. For Molly's cucumbers,
you're going to need a frame.
Speaker 3 (29:31):
Oh, I got a little a frame for my cukees
this year. But I hate tomato cages. Those you've seen them,
the round little at the bottom when they get bigger,
the horrible round wire cages. They're ugly, They're hard to store.
I live in an apartment. What am I going to
do with that the other eight months out of the year.
So what I did last year is a technique called
Florida weave, where you use posts and twine and you
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sort of so you have the posts along the row
and then you between the posts, you weave the twine
on either side of the plants and It worked really
well until my tomatoes became ten feet tall because I
bought five foot posts. But it was good in theory.
Speaker 2 (30:08):
Yeah, that's how commercial tomatoes had grown.
Speaker 3 (30:11):
It was much more affordable than buying like something large,
because I just went to tractor supply and bought Actually,
the steaks I bought are for putting up electric fences,
so they have clips every few inches along the post
for so convenient to clip the wire into. So I
used that to hold onto the twine and they were
like a buck fifty apiece. So it's much more affordable
(30:32):
and more storage friendly. So Florida weave them great idea.
Speaker 2 (30:36):
Love that, Yeah, I love that. Someone gave me a
load of bamboo and I just made frames out of
that and just it's fun to do a little a
frame hitch and make little frame and then you can
just collapse it because the a frame hitch, so it
relies on the spreading of the bottom to give it attention.
So you just you bring them together again and you
can store it over the winter.
Speaker 1 (30:55):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (30:55):
So there are a lot of solutions out there that
don't involve buying a fifty dollars contrap. It blows, you know,
like don't feel like you have to invest a lot
of money in like objects and gadgets and things.
Speaker 2 (31:06):
Yeah, I think generally, Actually, there's a lot of shit
that's marketed at trying to get your plants to grow,
and like, the chances are if your plants you're having
not as much success as you would hope. They're not
getting enough light, they're not getting enough water, or they're
not getting enough nutrients, or it's too cold or too
hot for them.
Speaker 3 (31:21):
You don't need a big gadget.
Speaker 2 (31:23):
Yeah, you don't need to buy a thing. And it
is one of those areas where you can find very
useful information on the internet. So if you're struggling with
a certain plant, there is almost certainly someone who's already
had that struggle and you can find their solutions. There
are some pretty good websites for searching up that stuff.
The last thing I wanted to cover was pruning and
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weeding and pest management, which can be a bit of
a mission. Right now, I'm fighting a uphill struggle against
some gophers. They have targeted me.
Speaker 3 (31:55):
You have to shoot.
Speaker 2 (31:56):
This is a problem. I live in a relatively built
up area. I am a person who grew up in agriculture.
I know how to manage pets, and unfortunately all the
things that I would have done are felony crime.
Speaker 3 (32:12):
Big government is interfering with your urban farm.
Speaker 2 (32:14):
Yeah, once again, the boot of the man is on
my neck.
Speaker 3 (32:18):
I am at war with the squirrels here. That's weird.
They didn't mess with me last year, I guess because
you know, we had just moved in and they saw
the dogs and they were concerned about the dogs. But
this year they're feeling bold and they are digging holes.
Every day. They're digging holes. They are burying peanuts in
my garden, and I keep pulling peanuts out of the ground.
Speaker 2 (32:36):
I have a fucking peanut problem too.
Speaker 3 (32:38):
I'm not Jimmy Carter. I'm not farming peanuts.
Speaker 1 (32:40):
They're not afraid of Buccanatto.
Speaker 3 (32:43):
I guess because last year they didn't get got so
this year they're feeling like.
Speaker 1 (32:46):
Ierson keeps the squirrels at bay. They know their place
and that it is her yard.
Speaker 2 (32:50):
A buccanotto on patrol. Though. Are they able to access
the pit?
Speaker 3 (32:54):
No, the pit is like not accessible to dog, but
like sometimes you know, they're out on the patio bar.
But the solution that I have found, because apparently I'm
not allowed to shoot them A cayenne pepper.
Speaker 1 (33:07):
Yes, cayenne pepper is a great solution.
Speaker 3 (33:10):
I bought like several pounds of cayenne pepper in bulk,
and I just sprinkle it on all of the surfaces,
like on the surface of the soil along the wall
around the pit because they don't want to like walk
in it and smell it. So it keeps them off
the wall so they don't end up down in the
pit to dig.
Speaker 1 (33:25):
I do the same. You get some that some chili oil,
a little bit of water, you put a spray bottle
and it just keeps a lot of bugs away as well.
Speaker 2 (33:32):
Yeah, mace your plants.
Speaker 3 (33:34):
Yeah, Unfortunately I don't sprinkle into the wind.
Speaker 2 (33:39):
Oh no, Yeah, I've done the same thing. Money. I've
maced myself trying to do that.
Speaker 3 (33:47):
As my strawberry start to ripe and I'm thinking like
maybe I should stop macing the strawberries.
Speaker 2 (33:53):
No, just growing mace strawberries. Then you'll be immune. If
you ate enough of them, you could become like the Hulk.
You know, they spray you and you just get strong. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (34:00):
I'm doing mithrittism with police brutality.
Speaker 2 (34:02):
Yeah, I love that for you, like the guy who
lets his snakes bite him a little bit all the time.
And yeah, but for cops, I love that. There are
lots of solutions for this which don't evolve like spraying
your plants with a butt kind of round up or
round up will probably kill them. But other pesticides, right,
like don't display your plants is round up might kill
you as well. But yeah, you have to first ascertain
(34:23):
what pest you're dealing with, right, So for the gophers,
one of the things you can do is, you know
construction netting. It's like chicken wire, a bit thinner. Yeah,
you can put that because the roots of the plant
can still get through that. So you put that at
the bottom of your planter right where it sits on
the soil. The roots of the plant can still get through,
but mister gopher cannot. Missus gopher, non binary gopher can't
get through their netting, just like a physical block. I've
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heard people say that cat litter is something you can
sprinkle and they think are cats around. You can also
just make a little house for a cat that doesn't
have one, so that it comes and lives near your plants.
We have that for a while. Little neighborhoo cat came
to date and it kept the rat problem to a minimum.
You can use things like have you seen the ultrasound
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gopher preventers.
Speaker 3 (35:10):
Yeah, I can't use one of those because I think
it would bother the dogs, right like you would bother
other small mammals.
Speaker 2 (35:16):
I have ones that I got on Jeffrey Bezos his
website that are not in fact ultrasound. They're very much
just regular sound, and I think I was missolved those
so the worst trying. They are all sort of non
lethal methods as well.
Speaker 3 (35:28):
You can get a plastic owl, yes.
Speaker 2 (35:30):
You can't if you've got a bird problem. You can
also get bird netting if they're eating your berries. And
I would suggest that you can get a variety of
plastic animals.
Speaker 3 (35:37):
Actually, my mom has a coy pond, and so she
got a plastic heron to scare away the real heron
that eats the fish. And my dad misunderstood the purpose
of the heron right. It was a functional plastic bird.
It was to scare away the real bird that eats
the fish. And so he thought like, oh, like we
like fake birds now, and so he very lovingly bother
(35:57):
a bunch of like different fake plastic birds for the yard.
Speaker 1 (36:01):
Oh that's so endearing.
Speaker 2 (36:03):
Yeah it's adorable, but it.
Speaker 3 (36:05):
Does not keep the hero in away. Yeah he's even
the fish.
Speaker 2 (36:09):
Maybe you need a more intimidating classic harot. Keep buying
until you find the one.
Speaker 3 (36:12):
You know, it's a really buff one.
Speaker 2 (36:14):
Yeah, yeah, buff one that's giving the middle finger.
Speaker 1 (36:16):
Because birds do that.
Speaker 2 (36:19):
Mm hmm. Hench herons do that and they're buff like that.
Speaker 1 (36:22):
What other pest management things do we recommend?
Speaker 3 (36:26):
Oh, I love knee oil for thrips and aphids.
Speaker 1 (36:30):
Snee oil rules.
Speaker 3 (36:31):
I don't put any poison on my plants because I'm
I'm against it. But I have a spray bottle that
I put a little bit of knee oil and a
little bit of Don Dish soap in and then mostly
just hot water. After that, shake that bad way up
and spray them down.
Speaker 2 (36:44):
Lady birds, so a great one, lady bugs for the
Americans in the audience.
Speaker 3 (36:49):
The only thing I use like is like, it's not
really a poison, it's a bacteria. I don't know, debatable
buy these bacillisitringiensis. I use that to keep the cattle
pillars away.
Speaker 1 (37:01):
There's also like a lot of different plants you can
plant with your crops to help keep a passive bay,
you know, thinking like you know a lot of herbs
which you would want to grow anyways, like mint and
rosemary and lavender and catnip, and then also merry gold's
always good lemon grass to trunella grass.
Speaker 3 (37:23):
Like coplant marrow golden basil with my tomatoes.
Speaker 2 (37:25):
Yeah, it looks nice. Also, I wanted to mention in pruning, Yes,
you do want to be pruning your plants. With tomatoes,
you want to pull off the suckers, right If you
imagine your tomato is like a V and then a
third sprout coming up from the middle of the V.
Speaker 3 (37:41):
Because you should see what Jess is doing with his
hands right now.
Speaker 2 (37:45):
Yeah, for the several thousand people who are not in
the room, I'm making a V with my hand and
then an extra finger in the middle of the V.
I can't do this without making myself.
Speaker 3 (37:56):
Laugh now, but yeah, pull off the suckers.
Speaker 2 (38:00):
You're generally going to want to prune your plants, right,
This will encourage them to fruit instead of just growing.
Speaker 3 (38:05):
Yes, especially with your herbs, you want to top your
herbs because once they go to seed they stop growing.
Speaker 2 (38:12):
Yeah, oh they taste like ass.
Speaker 1 (38:14):
Cut your rosemary off often.
Speaker 2 (38:18):
Give it a trim. People get really scared about pruning
or poll adding. If you've got a tree, poll ad it,
but it's really not that scary. Again, like depending on
your plant, you'll find some good videos on YouTube.
Speaker 1 (38:28):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (38:29):
The last thing I wanted to talk about is rotating
your crops.
Speaker 1 (38:33):
Oh yeah, did you.
Speaker 2 (38:34):
Learn about this in school that we did or is
this just a British.
Speaker 3 (38:37):
They cheat you guys about crop rotation.
Speaker 1 (38:39):
Yeah, that was not in any of my classes.
Speaker 2 (38:43):
Really, you didn't have the three field system.
Speaker 1 (38:45):
No, I learned that from like some nice YouTuber.
Speaker 2 (38:48):
Okay, well there's a niche for you there of your
British person teach American people shit, they should have learned
in school.
Speaker 1 (38:53):
On YouTube, it's going to take a long time. That's
a long program.
Speaker 2 (38:57):
Yeah, you're overestimating our education system so you can rotate
your crops. So if you're growing the same thing in
the same soil every year, it's going to pull the
same stuff out every year, right, unless you're replenishing your soil,
which you want to do. If you've got your annual
plants right. You do want to erate your soil, turn
it over. You can get a soil aerator.
Speaker 3 (39:14):
It's controversial.
Speaker 2 (39:16):
You don't believe in soil aeration, it's controversial. My belief
is that you should augment and erate your soil, or
you can rotate your crops right, which what you're doing
there is not growing the same thing every year. And crucially,
what you want to include in a corp rotation is
a nitrogen fixing plant, which is to say, a laguminous plant.
Speaker 3 (39:35):
The squirrels are actually trying to help me by planting
those peanuts.
Speaker 2 (39:39):
Yes, I guesse planuts are a lagome. I'd never thought
of that from a country where peanuts wouldn't grow.
Speaker 3 (39:43):
I guess I should apologize to the squirrels.
Speaker 2 (39:46):
Yep, little farming squirrels. I like to do peas. They're
a lagoome. A lentil. Everyone loves a lentil. It's kind
of fun to grow a little lent do you, yes,
I remember you said it's on Twitter. This is incredible
to me.
Speaker 3 (40:00):
It's because biting into a lentil, the way that surface
tension breaks when you bite it, to me, is exactly
how I imagine it would feel to bite into an
engorged tick.
Speaker 2 (40:11):
Just reading about someone who bit a tick.
Speaker 1 (40:13):
I just decided I am anti lentil, just based on that.
Speaker 2 (40:18):
We can't allow money to ruin lentils. Lentils are your friend.
Speaker 3 (40:22):
I know they're great. They are a great source of
non meat protein. But I can't do it.
Speaker 1 (40:26):
Apparently, I no longer can do it.
Speaker 2 (40:29):
Either cook them enough and there's not the surface engine,
or get split once you know the red lentils that
are split and then you have the tension.
Speaker 3 (40:36):
I can do that.
Speaker 2 (40:37):
Yeah, okay, okay, we've agreed on I'm like fifty lentil
by mass if I didn't have lentils, so, I don't
know if I would make it. I make a big
thing on lentils every single Sunday and then I eat
them most of the week.
Speaker 3 (40:50):
It never even occurred to me, like what does a
lentil plant look like? Which part of the plant is
the lentil?
Speaker 2 (40:55):
It's the seed. I think, there's the lagoon.
Speaker 3 (40:57):
It's the that sounds labor intensive to harvest.
Speaker 2 (41:01):
It's not too bad. It's kind of fun. Because lentils
plays such an important role in my life. I like
to grow them. It's fixing night tune back. We could
put any laguminous plant, right, we'd fix a nuturne back
in your sword. And if you rotate those through and
even leave your soil fallow for a while so they
don't grow anything, right, if you have the space to
do that, rotating your crops around, right, so you have
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like a fallow and then something else and then a
lagom and then you just rotate them around every year.
Speaker 3 (41:27):
I just have the pit.
Speaker 2 (41:28):
You could segment off the pit. You could do pit
quarters and you could rotate them around. You could have lentils,
you could have tomatoes, basil and the little fallow patch
for the dogs to run around it.
Speaker 1 (41:39):
I've just let you say tomatoes and basils entire time.
Speaker 2 (41:44):
Yeah, I'm so glad, thank you, thank you for not
making me feel feel bad.
Speaker 1 (41:48):
I was thinking it. I want you to know, but
I kept I held it in like a winter until
the very end.
Speaker 3 (41:54):
So yeah, the very end, my grandmother says, Tomato Americans do. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (42:02):
Really, the ones I've met, I feel like they're either
doing it. Sometimes people will meet me and then start
talking like me incredible, it's not at all. It's really
weird when you notice someone changing their vowels. Yeah, it's
very weird. I don't know if this happens to everyone,
and it's just a thing that happens to British people.
(42:23):
So yeah, that's my message for you. Grow plants. Do
not start speaking like me or anyone. Don't parrot people's
action to just talk to where you talk. It's it's fine, but.
Speaker 3 (42:33):
Just like, don't overthink it. Just put some plants in
the dirt, try it out. The worst that can happen.
It doesn't work, it's okay.
Speaker 2 (42:39):
Yeah, they're not very expected. I've get seeds grown up
from the seeds.
Speaker 3 (42:42):
And never buy cut basil from the grocery store. You know,
you spend six dollars with a little plastic blister pack
of leaves. Don't do it. It's cheaper to buy the
whole plant and then you have unlimited basil.
Speaker 1 (42:52):
Unless you're me who can't grow lest your sofia.
Speaker 2 (42:55):
Yeah yeah, yeah, just Sophie, please go ahead and buy
cut basil.
Speaker 1 (42:58):
No, I'll just steal some from my friends who know
how to grow.
Speaker 2 (43:02):
Yeah, that's another thing you can do. Steal.
Speaker 1 (43:04):
Oh yeah, that's the other thing. Steal plants from your friends.
Bring your friends cuttings, share your plants with friends.
Speaker 3 (43:10):
I don't consider it stealing to snap off little cuttings
or seed heads.
Speaker 1 (43:14):
No, Like I don't either know.
Speaker 3 (43:15):
My fanny pack is full of like mysterious seed heads
that I popped off of plants, and so I put
some in the dirt because I couldn't remember what they were.
Speaker 1 (43:23):
That's also like a really fun game.
Speaker 3 (43:25):
Yeah, I think these are cosmos. We'll find out.
Speaker 2 (43:29):
Get some seeds and trade them with your friends and
everyone gets a mystery plant. Be a fun thing to do.
Speaker 3 (43:35):
And don't forget to grow a flower too. Yeah, grow
a nice flower, attract some beans.
Speaker 2 (43:40):
Grow some pollinators. This is a weird little anecdote to
end on. So beyond the company who make the protective
combat uniform for the US military, they also make some
really nice clothing that I buy for work stuff. Sometimes
I get afraid of being on fire, so I like
to buy fire retardant stuff, And they send a little
tag with all of their So you're buying your like
(44:01):
fire retardant base layer to or under your plate carrier
when you're working, and it comes a little tag that
has plant seeds in it, and if you plant the tag,
flowers will grow.
Speaker 3 (44:11):
That's beautiful.
Speaker 2 (44:12):
It's wonderful, isn't it. Yeah, it's very nice. And for
that recent lene, they're my favorite purveyor of fireproof uniforms.
Speaker 3 (44:19):
Oh and get a sun hat. If you're outside gardening,
get a big floppy sun hat. It really helps you
get in the zone and it also protects you from
the sun.
Speaker 2 (44:29):
It's a great tip. I think we should get end
with that by by a sun hat.
Speaker 1 (44:31):
By a sun hat, wear sunscreen and listen to sixteenth
minute of Fame, our newest caozon Media podcast, hosted by
Jimmy Loftus. Ah.
Speaker 3 (44:39):
Wow, so true, so true.
Speaker 2 (44:41):
Oh yeah, listen to it.
Speaker 1 (44:42):
Wow, gardening wearing a sun hat and sunscreen.
Speaker 3 (44:46):
I did that this morning.
Speaker 1 (44:47):
That's what I was doing this morning.
Speaker 2 (44:48):
So we had know.
Speaker 1 (44:50):
Oh Molly, such a legend.
Speaker 3 (44:52):
I was propagating my basil tops in my little sun
hat an show.
Speaker 1 (44:56):
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Cool Zone Media welcome. It could happen here. I am
Sophie Lecter when I am the executive producer of all
of Cool Zone Media, and I didn't have time to
touch grass today, so this is the closest I'm going
to get to that. And here with me leading the
conversation will be James Stout. And also here is one
of my favorite people on this entire planet, Allie Conger.
(00:25):
James take it away.
Speaker 2 (00:27):
Thank you, Sophie. Magnificent intro. As Sophie said, we're here
today to talk about grass. So no, really grass, but
it's just like plants in general. I wanted to do
an episode on having a little garden because I think
it is a thing that would make people happy, and
also it's a way to have food for yourself. It's
not free, but once the plants keep growing, you don't
have to pay any more for the food, so it's
(00:48):
a nice thing to do. I enjoyed to grow plants,
and I wanted to share that with you. Do you
have little gardens? Molly and Sophie.
Speaker 3 (00:56):
Yes.
Speaker 1 (00:58):
Oh so.
Speaker 3 (00:58):
I moved to a new apartment last year and in
sort of a rare and strange arrangement, my first floor
apartment has like a little dirt patch. It's I think
it was originally supposed to be where the HVAC units are,
because it's like walled off by this sort of tall wall.
It's this ten foot by ten foot pit, but the
HVAC units are not there. So that's where I grow
my tomatoes.
Speaker 1 (01:19):
Yeah, my porch is currently a fruit garden. I have
a bunch of things starting in pots. I've got a
lemon tree. I've got a mandarin tree, which I'm really
excited about. I grew a mandarin tree when I lived
in California and then gifted to my dad and then
he gifted it to a friend of his and it's
still doing really well, so that's nice. I have a
(01:41):
boys and berry plant. I have what did I just buy?
I'm trying to think. I just bought another fruit thing. Oh,
it's like some citrus hybrid thing. So my porch is
filled with fruit things that should live for a very
long time. And then my friend Sarah is on a
gardening kick and so anything else we grow in her
(02:05):
yard and she's growing literally everything that's good.
Speaker 2 (02:09):
Love to grow everything. Yeah, So if you want to
grow everything, if you're listening and you're thinking, I would
like to be like Sophia money and grow vegetables and trees.
Trees are hard, especially if you're a renter.
Speaker 1 (02:21):
Yeah, you have to start them in a pot and then,
depending on climate, I bring mine inside during the cooler
times and I have them under a grow bulb. It's
not a quick commitment.
Speaker 2 (02:33):
No, yeah, it is an undertaking. And yeah, if you
want to let them grow big, then you either have
to get giant pots or put them in the ground.
Speaker 1 (02:41):
Did they put them in the ground? Which is hard
when most people in this country can't afford to buy
a home.
Speaker 2 (02:45):
Yes, it is. It sucks. And then you don't want
to giving things to your landlord for free because fucking yeah. Well,
let's talk about things that you can do in a
smaller timeframe than trees. So I've just got a few
bullet points here. We're going to go through them and
you all can interrupt me with your experiences or questions,
should you have any. If you're making a little garden
for yourself, obviously you're gonna have to start out with
(03:06):
choosing a spot for your garden. It depends, I think,
on where you live. So if you're like on the
fifth floor, and you don't have access to any ground
yard garden soil. That could be your windowsill, right, it
could be your balcony if you have a balcony. All
you really need is somewhere that has good access to sunlight.
(03:27):
All the other stuff you can bring in yourself. Right.
You can bring the soil yourself. You can bring the
water and all the nutrients that your plants need. But obviously,
I guess you could make the sunlight in my kitchen.
I have a little arrow garden which has its own
little UV light bulb, and you can use those to
grow some stuff. Or people have maybe some other hydroponic
gardening experience.
Speaker 3 (03:46):
They have done elaborate setups for their tomatoes.
Speaker 1 (03:50):
Yeah, do you remember that. I think it was like
twenty nineteen when everybody's relative gave them one of those
like indoor herb garden kits that don't want the air.
Speaker 2 (04:00):
Yeah, sear a garden. I have one of They say work.
Speaker 1 (04:03):
No, no, no, no no, not the expensive arrow garden one,
but the knockoff ones. Everybody, Yeah, everybody got one of those,
and then you saw them elsewhere.
Speaker 3 (04:13):
And that sort of commodification is so silly, right, because
to grow like a little pot of basil. You don't
need stuff. You don't need to buy a thing. You
need a windowsill.
Speaker 1 (04:21):
I can't grow basil. Really, we're not compatible.
Speaker 2 (04:24):
Interesting.
Speaker 1 (04:25):
I love basil. I use it constantly. I try to
grow it. I kill it every time.
Speaker 2 (04:31):
What way is it dying?
Speaker 3 (04:33):
It just wilts.
Speaker 2 (04:34):
Basil doesn't like its feet in the water. It has
to have quite dry soil.
Speaker 3 (04:38):
It wilts.
Speaker 1 (04:39):
And then I'll try again and I'll ignore it. It wilts.
I'll try it again, and I'll give it a little
bit of water.
Speaker 3 (04:44):
It wilts.
Speaker 1 (04:44):
I'll try it again. I'll give it a lot of water.
It wilts. I'll try it again, and I guess how
it ends.
Speaker 2 (04:51):
It wilt.
Speaker 3 (04:52):
I have an abundance of it because I'm constantly topping it.
Because you want to top your basil all the time
so that it branches instead of flowering. So when I
top it, I'm like, why, I don't wan is this?
I'll root these and I have, like, you know, seven
hundred basils.
Speaker 1 (05:03):
What it's me?
Speaker 2 (05:04):
Maybe Molly could send one to Sophie and we can see.
Speaker 3 (05:06):
Yeah, you're welcome to some of my basil.
Speaker 1 (05:08):
Yeah, because pasta is one of the greatest things that's
ever happened to anybody.
Speaker 2 (05:13):
Mm hmm. Oh you need this a little pine nut
pine tree, I guess, and some basil and a little
sheep and you can make pecorino cheese.
Speaker 1 (05:20):
There you go.
Speaker 2 (05:21):
And then yeah, and some anchovies.
Speaker 3 (05:23):
Of course, you just need your own sheep.
Speaker 2 (05:25):
Yeah, everyone should have.
Speaker 1 (05:27):
Anderson would have the best time hurting one.
Speaker 2 (05:30):
Sheep that the poor sheep were probably not.
Speaker 1 (05:35):
I pictured it. It's really funny.
Speaker 2 (05:39):
You can't just have one sheep. They need friends sheep
and not a solitary animal. Yeah, you have to get several.
Speaker 1 (05:44):
Well, Anderson will hurt them all.
Speaker 2 (05:47):
Yeah, we'd love to see that. All right. So if
you've selected your spot right where you have access to sunlight,
the next thing you need is a vessel. So during COVID,
lots of people start a garden. It's not that we
are not also in COVID right now right, but during
the lockdown twenty twenty, when everyone was working from home
for the first time, people started their little guidance. And
(06:08):
I think lots of folks who didn't start back then
or you moved out since then, Like people just built
lots of planters, often in that area between the pavement
and the road, which has a name that I've forgotten now.
Speaker 3 (06:21):
Oh, that's one of those things that has a different
name in every region of the US, and wherever you go,
if you're calling it the wrong thing, people look at
you like you're an alien.
Speaker 2 (06:29):
Yeah, I don't know what that's called in California.
Speaker 3 (06:31):
I think in New Jersey they call it the Devil's Strip.
Speaker 2 (06:35):
For real. I'm pretty sure we're going to call it
the devil Strip in this podcast because that's a better
name than I could have come up with. If you're
gardening in the Devil's Strip, that sounds like a euphemism
for growing weed, like when people call it the Devil's Letters. Yeah,
you're growing your Devil's letters and the Devil's Strip. That's
a good place to build a planter, right generally, Like
(06:56):
you should be able to obtain lumber for that somewhere,
Like I don't think you should be paying for lumber
in this day and age. Yeah, And they're pretty easy
to build, right if you are building a planter some considerations.
You probably shouldn't stain the inside of the lumber that
you're using. There's stuff in there that you probably don't
want it if you intend to eat the plants. I
think it's a pretty bad idea. Or to get lumber
(07:18):
which is pre treated, Right, If you get something which
is naturally resistant to rotting, like a hot red wood
or something like that, that's going to last a bit longer, right.
Speaker 1 (07:27):
Yeah, I mean you should be able to find some
kind of cedar or redwood around. I agree with your
assessment that you should not have to pay for that. Yeah,
although it's not something that if you have like a
good local hardware store, it's not something that's super expensive.
But price it for you buy it, That's what I'll say.
Speaker 3 (07:45):
And it's certainly cheaper to just buy the wood than
it is to buy like a pre made wooden plant.
Speaker 2 (07:49):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (07:50):
The mark upon that is crazy.
Speaker 1 (07:51):
Incredibly overpriced for something that you would find at a
big box store.
Speaker 2 (07:56):
Yeah, and crap too. There was one in one place
I live that was like maybe a quarter of an
inch thick and like it dovetailed together, but then like
the dovetails kind of bulged out when they got too wet,
and it was not a good figure. Don't don't buy one,
build one. If you have decking screws in two by fours,
you can build your own planet to it doesn't degree
(08:17):
require a high level of carpentry knowledge. So then you're
going to have to put some soil in your planter, right,
You could grow plants in like likakers, like the clay composite.
Have you seen this, like little balls? Yeah, but I
think I have. Yeah, just to start off with, we'll
we'll start with soil because it's the easiest thing to access.
I think in lots of cities you can get free
(08:38):
compost if you go to the tip. Don't know if
that's the case where you guys live, but here you
can get free compust if you go to the tip.
Speaker 1 (08:46):
I'm unfamiliar with that. But now I'm like, wait, can
we do that because we should?
Speaker 2 (08:51):
Right?
Speaker 3 (08:52):
Have I been missing out on free dirt because I've
been I've been paying for dirt.
Speaker 2 (08:55):
Okay, Yeah, this is a huge life act. Do you
have those green bins where you put like compostable rubbish?
Speaker 1 (09:02):
Of course? Oh no, we don't, so ifial lifts in Portland, yeah,
and like I live in Portland, of course.
Speaker 2 (09:07):
Okay. So if you have that, I'm guessing your municipality
is composting it, right, which would mean that it has
a large amount of compost, at least in San Diego.
I would be blown away if San Diego was leading
the way and giving residents anything other than more cops
for their taxpayer dollars. We can get free have a
pickup truck. I think I can get too pick up
(09:27):
trucks full of compost. You have to go and shovel
it yourself right into your truck, and obviously you have
to have some kind of vehicle to transport it. But
it's a good way to get free soil, especially if
you're like doing a project. Often, if you're planting vegetables
in your garden, right, the soil that you're planting them
into might not be good quality top soil, right. That
top soil might have been taken away when you're building
(09:48):
was constructed, or you might have all kinds of aggregate
waste sort of mixed in there, right, gravel and stuff
like that. It might not be the best quality growing soil.
So if you can go into getting some of the
free compost is the move. What I like to do
when I'm starting a little garden and I've got my
soil is to do a soil chemistry test. Have you
guys done soil chemistry tests I have.
Speaker 3 (10:10):
My style of gardening is more just kind of vibing out.
Speaker 1 (10:13):
Okay, vibelides based Hey Portland as free compost.
Speaker 3 (10:19):
Is I get information overload really fast. When I first
started my little garden, I thought, we like, I'm do
some googling. I'm gonna do some researching. I'm gonna go
to the agricultural Extension website and learn about my local soil.
And then like, once i have seventy tabs open and
I'm trying to consume the information, I was like, you
know what, plants grow outside. They'll be fine, They'll be fine.
Speaker 2 (10:39):
It is true. There is a lot you can do
and a lot that you don't have to do when
it comes to gro own clients. My mother was a
lecture in agricultural called it. Therefore, I'm bound to get
a little home test kit and tests today. Do you
know what the three essential nutrients are? To we turn
into a quiz format for plants.
Speaker 3 (10:53):
Lash nitrogen, Yeah, a different element.
Speaker 2 (11:00):
That's correct. H These are things, These are real things.
Speaker 1 (11:07):
All I can think of is that that's right.
Speaker 3 (11:11):
Fat as a heat.
Speaker 2 (11:14):
If your plant isn't hitting its macros, it will not
get swollen. Exactly one of the things about.
Speaker 3 (11:19):
I'm feeling my tomatoes creatine.
Speaker 1 (11:21):
Is that right? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (11:22):
Yeah, that's why they're hench as fun.
Speaker 1 (11:23):
Are we talking like magnesium close?
Speaker 2 (11:27):
Uh? That that too is an element?
Speaker 3 (11:29):
I had nitrogen though, that's right, Yeah, Molly is.
Speaker 2 (11:33):
Yeah, Muddy got that one right. I'm trying to do
it like a ratio. I couldn't work it out.
Speaker 1 (11:38):
Nitrogen phosphors, Okay, I was like almost there.
Speaker 2 (11:42):
Yeah, you're very close with magnesia.
Speaker 3 (11:44):
Are you growing a gardener blowing up a federal building?
Speaker 2 (11:47):
James porque, Nola's do Molly, I'm growing a guarden for
legal and truth based reasons. I'm growing a guard You
want nitrogen, phosphorus, and potassium. Those are your three essential nutrient.
There are fifteen other nicron nutrients. I guess that plants
need vitamins. Yeah, the little you know omega threes for
(12:08):
their joints. They need MP and K in different ratios
depending on different plants. Right, So tomatoes need a lot
of potassium obviously.
Speaker 1 (12:15):
Molly and I are like, we're here to talk about plants.
Why are we in chemistry class? What's happening?
Speaker 2 (12:22):
James?
Speaker 3 (12:23):
I buy a bag that says tomato food and there's
a picture of a cartoon tomato on it. That's what
I know you're doing great.
Speaker 2 (12:30):
You can't go wrong with looking at the picture on
the thing. I use this technique for all kinds of things.
It's why I don't buy Quaker oats anymore. Very disturbing.
I want to empower you to not have to buy
the tomato man bag. In the case of tomatoes, right,
you need a lot of potatum, especially to get the fruit.
You can use a lot of nacuene early on to
get the leaves. Then you need the potassium to get
them to fruit. So you're going to seek to have
(12:53):
the soil chemistry that suits the plants that you want
to grow. Right. You can't really like improve your sign
unless you know where you're starting from. So you're going
to look at the NPK and the pH and then
going from there. When you're buying commercial fertilizers, you can
normally see the balance or set it on the bag
or sit on the website, right, and you're trying to
augment that soil to get the soil chemistry you want
to grow the plants that you want to eat, or
(13:15):
maybe not eat, maybe just have you can also add
organic matters to your soil. If you're doing that, like,
you're just gonna have to like test and test again
kind of think, because when your cowshits, you don't get
a bag which then gives you the amount of ninet
gen phosphorus and potassium.
Speaker 3 (13:30):
That's why I buy the cowshit in a bag.
Speaker 2 (13:32):
James, Wow, that's a great business idea.
Speaker 3 (13:35):
No, they sell it at loss.
Speaker 2 (13:36):
They sell it lows cowshit in a bag. Okay, maybe
that is a wonderful time to take a break for advertisements.
Speaker 3 (13:43):
Hopefully one of the advertisers is shit in a Bag.
Speaker 2 (13:45):
Shitt in a Bag. Longtime supporter of the show, I
please enjoy this advert for shit in the Bag. We
are back. We've returned from discussing things that we could
pretend to shit in a bag, which we're not going
to share with you. You'll have to guess. Okay, So
(14:07):
I like to use chicken manure for mine, but you
do have to rot it down right. If you're putting
manure on your soil, it'll burn it if you just
dump it straight on there. You can't just literally dump
shit into your soil. This hopefully is not used to anyone.
Speaker 3 (14:19):
Got to age it like a fine wine.
Speaker 2 (14:20):
Yeah, exactly, it does improve with age. Buttlet up, cork
it and put a vintage on it and then rotate
it every few years so it doesn't get sediment as
the bottom. If you can get a compost here and
you can go after making your own compus, it's a
fun thing to do. You get one of the barrel
composters that you turn.
Speaker 3 (14:36):
I have one of those, yeah, oh yeah, because my
dirt patch is like not really supposed to be a garden,
and I don't have a lot of room for a
compost heap. Love a compost heap, better way to do it.
But because I just have patio space, m I have
one of those big plastic compost tumblers and I love it.
It works good, pretty fast. I was lucky enough last year.
This was not intentional. I did not invite them. But
(14:57):
I have black soldier flies in my car. Do you
know those little guys. They're like pretty long, shiny black flies,
but their larva are these like little grubs, And so
I opened my compost. It was like, who the hell
are all these grubs? But black soldier fly larva just
devour organic matter and so they break down they break
down your compost really fast. I love them so much
(15:20):
that I just bought some. They came in the mail today.
I got a box in the mail today that said, like, caution,
live bugs. I dump dump those little babies in my tumbler.
Speaker 2 (15:29):
Nice. Yeah they thrive there.
Speaker 3 (15:32):
Oh yeah, they love it in there.
Speaker 2 (15:34):
Yeah. We had some lava. I didn't know what they were,
but we had a compost heat that I moved a
couple of years ago. When I moved it, the chickens
had probably the best day of it, just chasing around people.
Speaker 3 (15:44):
Farm Black Soldier fly as chicken feed so that you
can have this whole setup where you're growing them on
purpose and then they sort of fall down the tray
and the chickens eat them. I don't have any chickens yet.
I think my apartment neighbors would not like that.
Speaker 2 (16:00):
Fuck the money to play rage against the machine as
you install your chicken cube, I.
Speaker 3 (16:06):
Mean the dogs would love it. Buck has met a
chicken before, and in his mind it is like the
rawest chicken, right, Like this is the most tempting.
Speaker 2 (16:13):
Treat of the forbidden dog treat, the raw nugget. Yeah,
and then they give chickens can be pretty mean.
Speaker 1 (16:19):
Hey, Reese, featherspoon is a national treasure.
Speaker 2 (16:25):
Yeah, raised featherspoon is. She is not a mean chicken.
She was just sitting on my lap earlier before we recorded.
She sees a friendly chicken. She does. So if there
is blood on me, she will attack even me her
father and friend. So if you don't have any manure,
that's fine.
Speaker 3 (16:41):
You can make your own dirt at home. I recommend it.
It's great you can. It's very fulfilling to take like
waste and turn it into something useful. You can do
it on the city scale like Portland does, or you
can do it on a home scale, which is fun
and it's always nice to you know, reduce your amount
of shit there, especially if they don't compost, Like if
you don't have a green bin. It's less going into
land for, isn't it. So that's always a good thing.
Speaker 2 (17:03):
So now you've you've got your vessel and you've got
your soil, and you're going to have to decide about
your plants. Right. One great resource to consult it's a
USDA Plant Hardiness Map. Have you guys been browsy.
Speaker 3 (17:15):
Know your zone? Baby?
Speaker 2 (17:17):
Yep?
Speaker 1 (17:17):
You have to, or else you could just be committing
plant masker.
Speaker 3 (17:21):
I mean there's a lot of debate right now in
the in the community about the rezoning, the rezone, the
USDA Plant Hardiness Map. Yeah, Like my mom buys all
of her bulbs from this bulb farm and they put
out a notice saying like, we are not using the
revised map, We're staking the original, We're not changing the catalog.
Speaker 2 (17:38):
Yeah. Being a trad but for the USDA.
Speaker 3 (17:40):
Plant return to tradition.
Speaker 2 (17:43):
Yeah, I'm a USDA Plant hardness believer. And the climate
is changing, So the ship that your grandparents grow might
not work for you. If you have colder winters, especially
right for the winter's getting colder where you are, that
might be difficult for your plants. So consult that map.
The map isn't going to tell you what to grow
so much as what can make it through your winters,
(18:05):
and so it's a good place to start. You're also
going to want to think about plants that you can
fit into your space. Right. If you want to grow
yourself a sequoia, that's cool, but you know, if you're
operating with a balcony, it's probably not going to be
Maybe you can make a bond size sequoya. That was
your thing, but you needed to plant the allfit with
your space, right, definitely, If you want to grow plants
(18:28):
that you want to eat, think about things that are
high yielding, right, and perpetual spinach is a great one.
If you're like a first timer, perpetual spinach you can
cut and come again, so you pick some and a
bit more cums and bit more cums. You don't have
to like harvest it all at one time. Tomatoes are
a classic, right. You can even grow them straight in
one of those grow bags. Just cut a hole, put
tomatoes in. If you've got enough depth, you can do
(18:50):
root vegetables, so things like carrot, turnip, swedes you can
get of course potatoes or a classic you can make
a potato tower if you wanted to to the great
way to have lots of potatoes in a relatively small space.
So choose something that will also grow depending on the
amount of climate window you have. Right, So, if you
have short summers and you have something that needs a
(19:12):
lot of sunlight to grow, you want something that will
grow and mature in the amount of time you have
right before the weather turns to shit again and it's
too cold for that. Plant or choose something that's suitable
for the climate you have. Like I just harvested some
winter giant spinach because I agree that over the winter
and it's very hardy and doesn't need quite as much sunlight.
That was very good. And I'm about to start having
(19:32):
my early girl tomatoes, which they arrive earlier than your
conventional tomato. Like there's a tomato for everything, wherever you are,
whatever you need, Like, there's a tomato for you.
Speaker 3 (19:41):
It's overwhelming. So like last year, like I said, I'm
doing this five space, right, So I went to the
garden store and I just picked out a couple of
tomato plants that had names like that were funny.
Speaker 2 (19:50):
I think that's a great strategy.
Speaker 3 (19:51):
Right, that's very valid. But this year I was a
little more selective, right, so because I grew fewer tomatoes
this year, because I think last they were a little
too close together. It was at overwhelming, a little busy
in there. I want to do more cucumbers this year,
so I only have five tomato plants. I have two
different cherry tomatoes have a Cherokee purple. Oh gosh, who
are the other guys? The other ones were just names
(20:12):
I thought were interesting. I did it again. But the
great thing about tomatoes is on the little tag it'll
say how many days to maturity, So like you don't
have to guess, you don't have to do a lot
of homework or research. It'll stay right on the tag,
like eighty five days to harvest.
Speaker 2 (20:28):
Yeah, going to the garden entry, they're going to sell
stuff that's suitable for the climate you're living in, right,
and then yeah, you can see how long it will
take to harvest. Ideally you could space them out, right,
so you don't just have a g loot of tomatoes
and then no tomatoes for the rest of your life
or the rest of the.
Speaker 3 (20:42):
Year producing, especially if you get indeterminates.
Speaker 2 (20:44):
Yeah, they will keep producing, you can, uh, I mean they'll.
Speaker 3 (20:47):
Keep producing till the first frost. So we had cherry
tomatoes through November last year.
Speaker 2 (20:52):
Aweso, Wow, I thought you guys got cold.
Speaker 3 (20:54):
We're seven b but Charlotte feels kind of in a valley,
so it stays warmer a little longer.
Speaker 2 (21:00):
Nice. Yeah, it's San Diego is of course, you can
almost have this stuff yet around eternal summer. Well, we
have winters now. The last two winters have been very wet.
Speaker 1 (21:08):
Yeah, I had to have a bit of a learning
curve coming from California to Oregon within the different climates.
And I have to say that with the things that
I had in pots, bringing them inside with grow bulbs
has been for older weather has been pretty successful for
me at keeping things alive. Yeah, they're not as fruitful obviously,
but they do not die.
Speaker 2 (21:28):
Yeah, that's a wind. If you're in Portland or somewhere
feather north and like you know that your plant won't
make it through the winter, that's a strategy, right. You
can have a place set aside, you bring it in.
You can have a grow bulb.
Speaker 1 (21:38):
And honestly a lot of lamps. They sell bulbs that
are grow bulbs that can go directly in the lamps
you already have, so you don't need to buy anything fancy.
The bulbs are pretty expensive and they're sold at most
local hardware stores, so you're really spending like five dollars
on a bowl instead of spending you know, thirty dollars
on some fancy contraption.
Speaker 2 (21:57):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (21:58):
Yeah, my mom has a shop light, you know the sort.
It's like a metal lampshade, a clip. It's just a
cheap shoplight that she clips onto a shelf to shine
at her plants. Her version of oh yeah.
Speaker 2 (22:08):
That guy's demonstrating audio listeners.
Speaker 3 (22:12):
Her empty nesting has involved a whole grow situation, like
there's no dining room at my parents' house anymore. There's
more for us to eat when we go home to
the dining room is a greenhouse. I love like tropical
plants that have to live inside in the winter. She's
got like a boogain vida that's like ten feet tall
that comes in the house in the winter.
Speaker 2 (22:30):
Amazing.
Speaker 1 (22:31):
I just bought some bougain via that I have been
a pot right now because I grew up with bougainvilla
in California, and I finally found a nursery that had
it in an, Oregon, and I was.
Speaker 3 (22:40):
Like home because I always thought it was a potted
plant until I saw it outside in a tropical environment.
It's not a potted plant, not a potter.
Speaker 2 (22:49):
Not in San Diego. It is a plant that will
take over your guide.
Speaker 1 (22:51):
In Sorry, James, we've gone off the rails. Back to
what you're saying.
Speaker 2 (22:55):
Okay, yeah, returning to the rails. I did want to
plug native seeds. I love native sea search for finding
different and exciting seeds and preserving indigenous people's horticultural traditions
and like lifeways. I have grown lots of seeds from
native seed search with great success, And it's cool in
a world of increasingly like monocultural agriculture to preserve something
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that is part of someone's culture. Zapatistas will also send
you corn. I'm sure anyone on the left who's over
thirty years old is very familiar with zapatis to corn,
I'm sure. But for the youth among us, you can
order corn from the zapatistas that actually comes from somebody
in San Diego who will send you some of this
sort of heritage variety corn. And you're preserving this corn
(23:40):
in a world where corn is increasingly commercialized. Right, things
like Montstanto have a lockdown on some of these corn varieties. Right,
they're like patented varieties. Right, even if you don't sew them,
they're sort of invading the genome of these indigenous corn types.
So keeping these varieties alive is a cool thing to do.
To do this when I was like sixteen, this is
(24:01):
like early activism. Me was like growing some zappaties to
corn in my parents' greenhouse. But that's the thing you
can do if you want cool corn.
Speaker 3 (24:08):
I think it's important too to look up what's native
to your area, and not just because it is you know,
the right thing to do, but it'll grow better where
you live. The pollinators will be attracted to it where
you live. I was just looking up like here in Virginia,
the Department of Wildlife Resources will sell you native seeds
for your area at a pretty good affordable rice. So, like,
look up what wants to live where you are growing it.
Speaker 2 (24:31):
Yeah, totally.
Speaker 3 (24:32):
A lot of things, like ornamental garden plants are highly
invasive and destructive to your local habitat. So things that
might look really nice in your yard are destructive to
your environment.
Speaker 2 (24:44):
Yeah, that's a big thing that It's probably a big
thing everywhere, but like in California, and we talk about
like invasive mustard. Right when you see these big yellow
hillsides in California, that's an invasive plant. Of course, there's
the climate changes. What is indigenous to one area may
no longer be suitable for growing there. It's definitely happened
with some plants. I'll get a lot of plants as
well from desert Survivors, which is a little nursery in Tucson,
(25:06):
Arizona where I like to go and buy desert plants
because I do not like to have plants that are
extremely thirsty for water. This is my transition to our
watering segment. You need to water your plants right. This
is something that people probably know that some tips for watering.
You want to water your plants regularly and consistently. Plants
(25:29):
can get stressed if you have a lot of water,
then no water, then a lot of water again. If
you're using a vibe space watering strategy, you might be
causing your plant excessive stress. So I like to water
my plants morning or evening because in the heat of
the day you're going to lose more to evaporation. If
you're really going for it, you can set up a
drip feeder, which is a pretty cool system where the
(25:51):
little lines and they just drip water onto your plants.
Those are a really great way to irrigate. You can
also do what I often do, which is think a
lot and then use your plants as an excuse for
doing that. By taking the little glass bottles and making
plant waters out of them, so you fill them up
and then basically shove them in the ground as long
(26:12):
as you can get a good plug of soil in
the end of the bottle.
Speaker 3 (26:14):
I misunderstood where you were going with that. I thought
you were pissing on your vegetables. No, so I've heard
of putting urine in your compost tumbler, something about the
urea and the nitrogen. But I don't think you're supposed
to piss right on the tomatoes.
Speaker 2 (26:28):
No.
Speaker 1 (26:30):
I was trying to understand what Molly's the gig face
was really.
Speaker 2 (26:35):
Money is baffled by this bottle idea.
Speaker 3 (26:38):
I don't pee on my garden. Yeah, I mean it's
sort of street facing. I think it would be sort
of loud and lascivious.
Speaker 1 (26:42):
For the record, Molly does not pee on her garden.
Speaker 2 (26:46):
I want everyone to know that Molly's not a garden. No.
Speaker 3 (26:49):
But watering is a big issue for me, right, So,
because it's not supposed to be a garden. There there's no.
Speaker 2 (26:54):
Hose, there's a water source, there's.
Speaker 3 (26:56):
No external like spigott for me to hook up a
hose too. There's so I have to use a two
gallon watering can that I fill in my bathtub and
then take out one at a time, and so you
know you're supposed to, like the equivalent of one inch
of water per week is about average for a little
vegetable garden, which is like zero point six gallons per
square foot. So for my ten foot by ten foot,
(27:18):
I'm looking at sixty gallons a week. So I every
other day fill up my watering. Can you know ten
or twenty times? It's an endeavor, good way, It's an endeavor.
Speaker 2 (27:27):
Yeah, it's a commitment to the plants. You could like
do a hose and run out your window from the tap.
Speaker 3 (27:33):
I looked into it. And so for people who live
in apartments and have a lot of house plants, there's
like an adapter you can get for your kitchen sink
that you can screw a hose onto. But I do
not have the right kind of faucet for that.
Speaker 2 (27:43):
Disappointing. I bet someone listening has a solution from moll
they'se plants.
Speaker 1 (27:47):
But first it's time for advertisements.
Speaker 3 (27:50):
I hope it's an advertisement for pissing outside.
Speaker 2 (27:53):
That would be great. I would read advert for pissing outside.
Speaker 1 (27:57):
I just feel like that's what we're missing the world,
isn't it.
Speaker 2 (28:00):
Surely like Jocko or someone has done a like pissing
outside Jordan Peterson that they've done sunning your balls, they
must have done pissing outside.
Speaker 3 (28:09):
So if you ask the people that make the shi
Wi a Fal sponsor the show, sure.
Speaker 2 (28:20):
We are back and we are now going to talk
about and your versus perennial plants, a topic they know
many of you have been wondering about. Would one of
you like to explain? I'm sure you're familiar with annuals
and perennials, which one of you like to take on
the task of explaining them to our listeners?
Speaker 3 (28:34):
Sophie, what annuals just live for the one growing season.
Perennials will come back next year, is the short of it.
Speaker 1 (28:43):
I definitely could have answered that.
Speaker 2 (28:45):
Well you didn't, did you, Sophie?
Speaker 3 (28:47):
So your tomatoes are annuals. Allegedly, my halapennia is supposed
to be a perennial. She did not make it rip.
Speaker 2 (28:54):
We've had a couple of peppers over winter. I have
a thie bird chili that made it from a couple
of winters. Now it'll depend a little bit on where
you are as well, if they'll make it through the
and I think.
Speaker 3 (29:03):
I should have pruned it back earlier before the frost.
I think they winter better if you prune them back.
It was potted, I could have sunk the pot in
the soil so the soil temperature would remain more constant.
But I didn't do that. I about a new one.
Speaker 1 (29:15):
I respect that.
Speaker 2 (29:17):
So some other things to consider I'm going through. Things
that you might need to add as your guide growth
would be like frames for plants that creep or plants
that climb. Some tomatoes will need a frame. For Molly's cucumbers,
you're going to need a frame.
Speaker 3 (29:31):
Oh, I got a little a frame for my cukees
this year. But I hate tomato cages. Those you've seen them,
the round little at the bottom when they get bigger,
the horrible round wire cages. They're ugly, They're hard to store.
I live in an apartment. What am I going to
do with that the other eight months out of the year.
So what I did last year is a technique called
Florida weave, where you use posts and twine and you
(29:54):
sort of so you have the posts along the row
and then you between the posts, you weave the twine
on either side of the plants and It worked really
well until my tomatoes became ten feet tall because I
bought five foot posts. But it was good in theory.
Speaker 2 (30:08):
Yeah, that's how commercial tomatoes had grown.
Speaker 3 (30:11):
It was much more affordable than buying like something large,
because I just went to tractor supply and bought Actually,
the steaks I bought are for putting up electric fences,
so they have clips every few inches along the post
for so convenient to clip the wire into. So I
used that to hold onto the twine and they were
like a buck fifty apiece. So it's much more affordable
(30:32):
and more storage friendly. So Florida weave them great idea.
Speaker 2 (30:36):
Love that, Yeah, I love that. Someone gave me a
load of bamboo and I just made frames out of
that and just it's fun to do a little a
frame hitch and make little frame and then you can
just collapse it because the a frame hitch, so it
relies on the spreading of the bottom to give it attention.
So you just you bring them together again and you
can store it over the winter.
Speaker 1 (30:55):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (30:55):
So there are a lot of solutions out there that
don't involve buying a fifty dollars contrap. It blows, you know,
like don't feel like you have to invest a lot
of money in like objects and gadgets and things.
Speaker 2 (31:06):
Yeah, I think generally, Actually, there's a lot of shit
that's marketed at trying to get your plants to grow,
and like, the chances are if your plants you're having
not as much success as you would hope. They're not
getting enough light, they're not getting enough water, or they're
not getting enough nutrients, or it's too cold or too
hot for them.
Speaker 3 (31:21):
You don't need a big gadget.
Speaker 2 (31:23):
Yeah, you don't need to buy a thing. And it
is one of those areas where you can find very
useful information on the internet. So if you're struggling with
a certain plant, there is almost certainly someone who's already
had that struggle and you can find their solutions. There
are some pretty good websites for searching up that stuff.
The last thing I wanted to cover was pruning and
(31:43):
weeding and pest management, which can be a bit of
a mission. Right now, I'm fighting a uphill struggle against
some gophers. They have targeted me.
Speaker 3 (31:55):
You have to shoot.
Speaker 2 (31:56):
This is a problem. I live in a relatively built
up area. I am a person who grew up in agriculture.
I know how to manage pets, and unfortunately all the
things that I would have done are felony crime.
Speaker 3 (32:12):
Big government is interfering with your urban farm.
Speaker 2 (32:14):
Yeah, once again, the boot of the man is on
my neck.
Speaker 3 (32:18):
I am at war with the squirrels here. That's weird.
They didn't mess with me last year, I guess because
you know, we had just moved in and they saw
the dogs and they were concerned about the dogs. But
this year they're feeling bold and they are digging holes.
Every day. They're digging holes. They are burying peanuts in
my garden, and I keep pulling peanuts out of the ground.
Speaker 2 (32:36):
I have a fucking peanut problem too.
Speaker 3 (32:38):
I'm not Jimmy Carter. I'm not farming peanuts.
Speaker 1 (32:40):
They're not afraid of Buccanatto.
Speaker 3 (32:43):
I guess because last year they didn't get got so
this year they're feeling like.
Speaker 1 (32:46):
Ierson keeps the squirrels at bay. They know their place
and that it is her yard.
Speaker 2 (32:50):
A buccanotto on patrol. Though. Are they able to access
the pit?
Speaker 3 (32:54):
No, the pit is like not accessible to dog, but
like sometimes you know, they're out on the patio bar.
But the solution that I have found, because apparently I'm
not allowed to shoot them A cayenne pepper.
Speaker 1 (33:07):
Yes, cayenne pepper is a great solution.
Speaker 3 (33:10):
I bought like several pounds of cayenne pepper in bulk,
and I just sprinkle it on all of the surfaces,
like on the surface of the soil along the wall
around the pit because they don't want to like walk
in it and smell it. So it keeps them off
the wall so they don't end up down in the
pit to dig.
Speaker 1 (33:25):
I do the same. You get some that some chili oil,
a little bit of water, you put a spray bottle
and it just keeps a lot of bugs away as well.
Speaker 2 (33:32):
Yeah, mace your plants.
Speaker 3 (33:34):
Yeah, Unfortunately I don't sprinkle into the wind.
Speaker 2 (33:39):
Oh no, Yeah, I've done the same thing. Money. I've
maced myself trying to do that.
Speaker 3 (33:47):
As my strawberry start to ripe and I'm thinking like
maybe I should stop macing the strawberries.
Speaker 2 (33:53):
No, just growing mace strawberries. Then you'll be immune. If
you ate enough of them, you could become like the Hulk.
You know, they spray you and you just get strong. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (34:00):
I'm doing mithrittism with police brutality.
Speaker 2 (34:02):
Yeah, I love that for you, like the guy who
lets his snakes bite him a little bit all the time.
And yeah, but for cops, I love that. There are
lots of solutions for this which don't evolve like spraying
your plants with a butt kind of round up or
round up will probably kill them. But other pesticides, right,
like don't display your plants is round up might kill
you as well. But yeah, you have to first ascertain
(34:23):
what pest you're dealing with, right, So for the gophers,
one of the things you can do is, you know
construction netting. It's like chicken wire, a bit thinner. Yeah,
you can put that because the roots of the plant
can still get through that. So you put that at
the bottom of your planter right where it sits on
the soil. The roots of the plant can still get through,
but mister gopher cannot. Missus gopher, non binary gopher can't
get through their netting, just like a physical block. I've
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heard people say that cat litter is something you can
sprinkle and they think are cats around. You can also
just make a little house for a cat that doesn't
have one, so that it comes and lives near your plants.
We have that for a while. Little neighborhoo cat came
to date and it kept the rat problem to a minimum.
You can use things like have you seen the ultrasound
(35:08):
gopher preventers.
Speaker 3 (35:10):
Yeah, I can't use one of those because I think
it would bother the dogs, right like you would bother
other small mammals.
Speaker 2 (35:16):
I have ones that I got on Jeffrey Bezos his
website that are not in fact ultrasound. They're very much
just regular sound, and I think I was missolved those
so the worst trying. They are all sort of non
lethal methods as well.
Speaker 3 (35:28):
You can get a plastic owl, yes.
Speaker 2 (35:30):
You can't if you've got a bird problem. You can
also get bird netting if they're eating your berries. And
I would suggest that you can get a variety of
plastic animals.
Speaker 3 (35:37):
Actually, my mom has a coy pond, and so she
got a plastic heron to scare away the real heron
that eats the fish. And my dad misunderstood the purpose
of the heron right. It was a functional plastic bird.
It was to scare away the real bird that eats
the fish. And so he thought like, oh, like we
like fake birds now, and so he very lovingly bother
(35:57):
a bunch of like different fake plastic birds for the yard.
Speaker 1 (36:01):
Oh that's so endearing.
Speaker 2 (36:03):
Yeah it's adorable, but it.
Speaker 3 (36:05):
Does not keep the hero in away. Yeah he's even
the fish.
Speaker 2 (36:09):
Maybe you need a more intimidating classic harot. Keep buying
until you find the one.
Speaker 3 (36:12):
You know, it's a really buff one.
Speaker 2 (36:14):
Yeah, yeah, buff one that's giving the middle finger.
Speaker 1 (36:16):
Because birds do that.
Speaker 2 (36:19):
Mm hmm. Hench herons do that and they're buff like that.
Speaker 1 (36:22):
What other pest management things do we recommend?
Speaker 3 (36:26):
Oh, I love knee oil for thrips and aphids.
Speaker 1 (36:30):
Snee oil rules.
Speaker 3 (36:31):
I don't put any poison on my plants because I'm
I'm against it. But I have a spray bottle that
I put a little bit of knee oil and a
little bit of Don Dish soap in and then mostly
just hot water. After that, shake that bad way up
and spray them down.
Speaker 2 (36:44):
Lady birds, so a great one, lady bugs for the
Americans in the audience.
Speaker 3 (36:49):
The only thing I use like is like, it's not
really a poison, it's a bacteria. I don't know, debatable
buy these bacillisitringiensis. I use that to keep the cattle
pillars away.
Speaker 1 (37:01):
There's also like a lot of different plants you can
plant with your crops to help keep a passive bay,
you know, thinking like you know a lot of herbs
which you would want to grow anyways, like mint and
rosemary and lavender and catnip, and then also merry gold's
always good lemon grass to trunella grass.
Speaker 3 (37:23):
Like coplant marrow golden basil with my tomatoes.
Speaker 2 (37:25):
Yeah, it looks nice. Also, I wanted to mention in pruning, Yes,
you do want to be pruning your plants. With tomatoes,
you want to pull off the suckers, right If you
imagine your tomato is like a V and then a
third sprout coming up from the middle of the V.
Speaker 3 (37:41):
Because you should see what Jess is doing with his
hands right now.
Speaker 2 (37:45):
Yeah, for the several thousand people who are not in
the room, I'm making a V with my hand and
then an extra finger in the middle of the V.
I can't do this without making myself.
Speaker 3 (37:56):
Laugh now, but yeah, pull off the suckers.
Speaker 2 (38:00):
You're generally going to want to prune your plants, right,
This will encourage them to fruit instead of just growing.
Speaker 3 (38:05):
Yes, especially with your herbs, you want to top your
herbs because once they go to seed they stop growing.
Speaker 2 (38:12):
Yeah, oh they taste like ass.
Speaker 1 (38:14):
Cut your rosemary off often.
Speaker 2 (38:18):
Give it a trim. People get really scared about pruning
or poll adding. If you've got a tree, poll ad it,
but it's really not that scary. Again, like depending on
your plant, you'll find some good videos on YouTube.
Speaker 1 (38:28):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (38:29):
The last thing I wanted to talk about is rotating
your crops.
Speaker 1 (38:33):
Oh yeah, did you.
Speaker 2 (38:34):
Learn about this in school that we did or is
this just a British.
Speaker 3 (38:37):
They cheat you guys about crop rotation.
Speaker 1 (38:39):
Yeah, that was not in any of my classes.
Speaker 2 (38:43):
Really, you didn't have the three field system.
Speaker 1 (38:45):
No, I learned that from like some nice YouTuber.
Speaker 2 (38:48):
Okay, well there's a niche for you there of your
British person teach American people shit, they should have learned
in school.
Speaker 1 (38:53):
On YouTube, it's going to take a long time. That's
a long program.
Speaker 2 (38:57):
Yeah, you're overestimating our education system so you can rotate
your crops. So if you're growing the same thing in
the same soil every year, it's going to pull the
same stuff out every year, right, unless you're replenishing your soil,
which you want to do. If you've got your annual
plants right. You do want to erate your soil, turn
it over. You can get a soil aerator.
Speaker 3 (39:14):
It's controversial.
Speaker 2 (39:16):
You don't believe in soil aeration, it's controversial. My belief
is that you should augment and erate your soil, or
you can rotate your crops right, which what you're doing
there is not growing the same thing every year. And crucially,
what you want to include in a corp rotation is
a nitrogen fixing plant, which is to say, a laguminous plant.
Speaker 3 (39:35):
The squirrels are actually trying to help me by planting
those peanuts.
Speaker 2 (39:39):
Yes, I guesse planuts are a lagome. I'd never thought
of that from a country where peanuts wouldn't grow.
Speaker 3 (39:43):
I guess I should apologize to the squirrels.
Speaker 2 (39:46):
Yep, little farming squirrels. I like to do peas. They're
a lagoome. A lentil. Everyone loves a lentil. It's kind
of fun to grow a little lent do you, yes,
I remember you said it's on Twitter. This is incredible
to me.
Speaker 3 (40:00):
It's because biting into a lentil, the way that surface
tension breaks when you bite it, to me, is exactly
how I imagine it would feel to bite into an
engorged tick.
Speaker 2 (40:11):
Just reading about someone who bit a tick.
Speaker 1 (40:13):
I just decided I am anti lentil, just based on that.
Speaker 2 (40:18):
We can't allow money to ruin lentils. Lentils are your friend.
Speaker 3 (40:22):
I know they're great. They are a great source of
non meat protein. But I can't do it.
Speaker 1 (40:26):
Apparently, I no longer can do it.
Speaker 2 (40:29):
Either cook them enough and there's not the surface engine,
or get split once you know the red lentils that
are split and then you have the tension.
Speaker 3 (40:36):
I can do that.
Speaker 2 (40:37):
Yeah, okay, okay, we've agreed on I'm like fifty lentil
by mass if I didn't have lentils, so, I don't
know if I would make it. I make a big
thing on lentils every single Sunday and then I eat
them most of the week.
Speaker 3 (40:50):
It never even occurred to me, like what does a
lentil plant look like? Which part of the plant is
the lentil?
Speaker 2 (40:55):
It's the seed. I think, there's the lagoon.
Speaker 3 (40:57):
It's the that sounds labor intensive to harvest.
Speaker 2 (41:01):
It's not too bad. It's kind of fun. Because lentils
plays such an important role in my life. I like
to grow them. It's fixing night tune back. We could
put any laguminous plant, right, we'd fix a nuturne back
in your sword. And if you rotate those through and
even leave your soil fallow for a while so they
don't grow anything, right, if you have the space to
do that, rotating your crops around, right, so you have
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like a fallow and then something else and then a
lagom and then you just rotate them around every year.
Speaker 3 (41:27):
I just have the pit.
Speaker 2 (41:28):
You could segment off the pit. You could do pit
quarters and you could rotate them around. You could have lentils,
you could have tomatoes, basil and the little fallow patch
for the dogs to run around it.
Speaker 1 (41:39):
I've just let you say tomatoes and basils entire time.
Speaker 2 (41:44):
Yeah, I'm so glad, thank you, thank you for not
making me feel feel bad.
Speaker 1 (41:48):
I was thinking it. I want you to know, but
I kept I held it in like a winter until
the very end.
Speaker 3 (41:54):
So yeah, the very end, my grandmother says, Tomato Americans do. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (42:02):
Really, the ones I've met, I feel like they're either
doing it. Sometimes people will meet me and then start
talking like me incredible, it's not at all. It's really
weird when you notice someone changing their vowels. Yeah, it's
very weird. I don't know if this happens to everyone,
and it's just a thing that happens to British people.
(42:23):
So yeah, that's my message for you. Grow plants. Do
not start speaking like me or anyone. Don't parrot people's
action to just talk to where you talk. It's it's fine, but.
Speaker 3 (42:33):
Just like, don't overthink it. Just put some plants in
the dirt, try it out. The worst that can happen.
It doesn't work, it's okay.
Speaker 2 (42:39):
Yeah, they're not very expected. I've get seeds grown up
from the seeds.
Speaker 3 (42:42):
And never buy cut basil from the grocery store. You know,
you spend six dollars with a little plastic blister pack
of leaves. Don't do it. It's cheaper to buy the
whole plant and then you have unlimited basil.
Speaker 1 (42:52):
Unless you're me who can't grow lest your sofia.
Speaker 2 (42:55):
Yeah yeah, yeah, just Sophie, please go ahead and buy
cut basil.
Speaker 1 (42:58):
No, I'll just steal some from my friends who know
how to grow.
Speaker 2 (43:02):
Yeah, that's another thing you can do. Steal.
Speaker 1 (43:04):
Oh yeah, that's the other thing. Steal plants from your friends.
Bring your friends cuttings, share your plants with friends.
Speaker 3 (43:10):
I don't consider it stealing to snap off little cuttings
or seed heads.
Speaker 1 (43:14):
No, Like I don't either know.
Speaker 3 (43:15):
My fanny pack is full of like mysterious seed heads
that I popped off of plants, and so I put
some in the dirt because I couldn't remember what they were.
Speaker 1 (43:23):
That's also like a really fun game.
Speaker 3 (43:25):
Yeah, I think these are cosmos. We'll find out.
Speaker 2 (43:29):
Get some seeds and trade them with your friends and
everyone gets a mystery plant. Be a fun thing to do.
Speaker 3 (43:35):
And don't forget to grow a flower too. Yeah, grow
a nice flower, attract some beans.
Speaker 2 (43:40):
Grow some pollinators. This is a weird little anecdote to
end on. So beyond the company who make the protective
combat uniform for the US military, they also make some
really nice clothing that I buy for work stuff. Sometimes
I get afraid of being on fire, so I like
to buy fire retardant stuff, And they send a little
tag with all of their So you're buying your like
(44:01):
fire retardant base layer to or under your plate carrier
when you're working, and it comes a little tag that
has plant seeds in it, and if you plant the tag,
flowers will grow.
Speaker 3 (44:11):
That's beautiful.
Speaker 2 (44:12):
It's wonderful, isn't it. Yeah, it's very nice. And for
that recent lene, they're my favorite purveyor of fireproof uniforms.
Speaker 3 (44:19):
Oh and get a sun hat. If you're outside gardening,
get a big floppy sun hat. It really helps you
get in the zone and it also protects you from
the sun.
Speaker 2 (44:29):
It's a great tip. I think we should get end
with that by by a sun hat.
Speaker 1 (44:31):
By a sun hat, wear sunscreen and listen to sixteenth
minute of Fame, our newest caozon Media podcast, hosted by
Jimmy Loftus. Ah.
Speaker 3 (44:39):
Wow, so true, so true.
Speaker 2 (44:41):
Oh yeah, listen to it.
Speaker 1 (44:42):
Wow, gardening wearing a sun hat and sunscreen.
Speaker 3 (44:46):
I did that this morning.
Speaker 1 (44:47):
That's what I was doing this morning.
Speaker 2 (44:48):
So we had know.
Speaker 1 (44:50):
Oh Molly, such a legend.
Speaker 3 (44:52):
I was propagating my basil tops in my little sun
hat an show.
Speaker 1 (44:56):
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