August 26, 2024 • 38 mins
Robert, Garrison, and Sophie discuss Kamala’s speech, her comments on foreign policy, and her promise to make America normal again.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Cool Zone media.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
All right, this is the last night of the DNC
episode or reporting from our homes now, which is great
because I feel like death. Garrison Davis is here, I'm
Sophie Lickdrman Robert Evans is here.
Speaker 3 (00:20):
We more or less survived the DNZ. So if he
took a few hits there at the end. So the
DNC is over, it's wrapped up, it's all finished, Thank goodness.
Tiring in a very different way than the RNC, and
I mean obviously a very different demographic. And this is
something that I noticed just as soon as I got
to the airport, Like when I got to the.
Speaker 4 (00:39):
Gate for the RNC, it was like, oh, I'm here
for the r n.
Speaker 3 (00:42):
C, And when I got to the gate for the DNC,
it was, Oh, this is just a regular airport gate.
This is just normal people. There's a very broad demographic
that you know, pretty fairly would represent whatever city you
happen to come from. And in calling these people normal,
that's not saying they're necessarily good people, but they're normal people. Sure,
they're into politics, maybe a little bit more than your
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average person, but by and large they are kind of
regular people. And including shitty in a lot of the
ways that regular people are shitty about politics. Would that
be their views on Palestine, Gaza, queer people, But it's
a pretty pretty normal demographic base.
Speaker 5 (01:22):
Yeah, it's the difference between like when something and I
showed up at our gate for the RNC, we took
off our masks because the threat at that point was
being on a mask surrounded by Republicans. Yes, right, yeah, it.
Speaker 2 (01:35):
Was like the risk to our lives was greater than
the risk of COVID to our lives safety eyes.
Speaker 5 (01:43):
Yeah, whereas we just kind of treated the flights to
and from the DNC like normal flights, like like you'd
handle the normal precautions just regular people.
Speaker 2 (01:52):
Some of that has to do with the fact that
Chicago's like a much larger city.
Speaker 4 (01:56):
Yeah sure, but yes.
Speaker 3 (01:58):
But I mean I got to the conversation with a
delegate from Georgia who was sitting right next to me,
you know, young guy mid twenties. Very clearly everyone on
the plane was going to the DNC, at least for me,
And yeah, I mean you just.
Speaker 4 (02:11):
Had like a regular conversation, was it Little John? No, No, Sophie,
it was not okay, cool.
Speaker 5 (02:16):
So if he little John as a senior citizen.
Speaker 1 (02:18):
Now it's little John, thank you so much.
Speaker 3 (02:20):
But no, he was this this young, kind of nominally
progressive Democrat who was excited this is I think, I
think his first time going excited to vote for Kamala,
much more excited about her than Joe. He also just
finished his college program to get a criminal justice degree.
So it's like, yeah, it's this is this is who
the Democratic Party is. Yeah, just random, kind of kind
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of queer, but definitely sis dude, like gay dude, bisexual, whatever.
But yeah, it's gonna reform, reform that criminal justice from
the inside. Yeah, anyway, kind of I just wanted to
descorry about talking to this kind of those kind of
general convention demographics because that's basically the same it felt
well inside the convention as well.
Speaker 5 (03:02):
Yes, a lot more what I will say is a
lot more women who are like middle aged at the
d n C, Like that was the overwhelmingly most common
demographic on like at the convention that I noticed.
Speaker 3 (03:17):
And probably more racial diversity than a lot of then
a lot of cities probably Honestly, Yeah, I guess that's
a good general sign, but it's not a great sign
just in and of itself.
Speaker 5 (03:29):
Right.
Speaker 3 (03:29):
I guess it's it's good for kind of the general
future of this country, but it doesn't it doesn't really
affect many of the biggest problems that we're kind of addressing,
whether that be you know, gazo that, whether that be
police brutality, whether that be all all of these other things,
LGBTQ issues, the economy, right, like, that does not necessarily
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equal over onto any of those, at least at the DNC.
But you know that is that is a general trend
that that that the country is heading towards. It seems
so there you go, and my god, was there a
lot of people there was.
Speaker 2 (04:03):
There was such an unhinged amount of people, Like I
can't even.
Speaker 5 (04:08):
It was so much bigger and so much more crowded
than the DRNC.
Speaker 2 (04:14):
I set this online when right wingers were trying to
be like there was nobody there, which was like, you're
you're so dumb.
Speaker 5 (04:21):
It was vastly more crowded.
Speaker 2 (04:23):
But like at the R and C, most of the time,
we generally had an entire road to ourselves.
Speaker 5 (04:28):
Yeah, it was always easy to find seating.
Speaker 3 (04:30):
Super eased to find a spot to sit any time
during the R and C. Not true for the DNC,
very challenging to find a seat, and this kind of
brings us to the last day of the convention.
Speaker 4 (04:39):
Horrible.
Speaker 6 (04:40):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (04:40):
The three of us wrap up a very nice dinner
with mister Vermin Supreme lovely, possibly the most ethical presidential
candidate this year.
Speaker 5 (04:48):
The only presidential candidate who has been maced with a
member of the Cool Zone media team. We can say
that much.
Speaker 4 (04:55):
Yeah, so we have a great to dinner with them.
Speaker 3 (04:58):
We walked over to the DNC, mass massive lines coming outside,
terrible and then we get told it's okay, there's a
special press entry, so we bypass all those lines. We
are feeling great, We are feeling like gods, just passing
by hundreds and hundreds of people waiting waiting line to
get the DNC. It was a very powerful feeling. I've
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never felt that empowered before.
Speaker 5 (05:21):
Oh Garrison, Oh you sweet summer child.
Speaker 4 (05:24):
It was wonderful.
Speaker 1 (05:24):
It was really a rush that can't be described.
Speaker 5 (05:27):
Yeah. I almost didn't want to let you guys know
that the whole venue is at capacity.
Speaker 3 (05:33):
So we get up to the door after just breezing through,
going past all of those lines, and we get to
the door and all the doors are shut. Yeah, there's
secret Service at every entrance saying that nobody can get
in because the venue is at capacity.
Speaker 4 (05:49):
And the crash, oh.
Speaker 3 (05:50):
My god, the crash that we had from our high
so so bad.
Speaker 5 (05:55):
I talked to a couple of police officers outside the
venue who were like, yeah, the fire marshals are here,
like it was literally I do think that it from
and from everything I've read since, I think their reboarding
was accurate. Yes, like there were just more people than
were allowed to be in the building.
Speaker 2 (06:12):
They definitely let more people in than they should have. Yeah, however,
there was a group of journalists with Garrison and myself
that were waiting to be let in, and there was
like triple the amount of people to journalists that left
in the time that we were standing there, which was
a very long time. And let me just say, the
secret service officer really enjoyed telling a bunch of journalists
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that we couldn't come in. He was having a great
night ruining our night.
Speaker 5 (06:40):
I mean, there's nothing that makes me happier than making
a journalist miserable. So I actually do feel some solidarity there.
You know, I would love to tell a bunch of
journalists fuck you.
Speaker 3 (06:49):
I was certainly skeptical because of just how many people
were getting let out, because I really wanted to see
how full the venue actually was. And after waiting for
nearly for two hours, two hours.
Speaker 1 (07:00):
Two hours, two hours, I went home.
Speaker 4 (07:02):
Pablo's speech already started.
Speaker 2 (07:04):
I abandoned you, and then some media logistics person from
the Secret Service entrance every five minutes would point at
ten people like they were the chosen ones to let them.
Speaker 1 (07:15):
Into the arena.
Speaker 2 (07:17):
And on round three or four, Garre and I did
in fact get in and run up like seven or
eight flights of stairs, which I'm still feeling.
Speaker 5 (07:25):
You made the cut. You made the cut. We did.
I bet Tim Walls whispered your very names into the
ears of that Secret Service agent.
Speaker 2 (07:33):
Although I do feel like a piece of me is
still on those stairs because it was brutal.
Speaker 4 (07:38):
It was bad.
Speaker 3 (07:38):
And then we got up to kind of the floor
of the arena that we usually entered into and they
were not lying. It was way too full. There was
not a single seat available. People were standing in the
fire exits, people were standing on the stairs and the
hallways inside the actual arena. It was it was, in
fact a real safety hazard.
Speaker 5 (07:58):
Yeah, I do really feel the need emphasize not one
of those things where the cops were fucking over the
press or whatever for their own It was a serious issue.
Speaker 3 (08:07):
Now we saw firefighters inspecting the hallways and letting a
whole bunch of fire code violations fly. Yeah, we were
not supposed to be standing in the middle of that stairwell.
And yeah we got inside just in time for the
foreign policy, border patrol, and geopolitics section of Kamalis's speech.
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And we will talk about her speech, including those aspects,
right after we come back from this ad break.
Speaker 4 (08:45):
All right.
Speaker 3 (08:45):
The final speech of the DNC arguably the most important one,
although the DNC just went on for so long that
I was so checked out by that last day.
Speaker 2 (08:55):
Honestly, it was just Bill Clinton's nine hour speech where
he just was just the oldest man who's ever lived.
Speaker 5 (09:01):
No, he's convinced me. You know, I watched last night
several episodes of the show about him committing a sex
crime as the president, and it really reminded me. Boy
slick Willy's gotten old.
Speaker 1 (09:14):
Yeah, thank you for music. My dad's nickname for Bill
Clinton on Mike Click Willy.
Speaker 5 (09:18):
That's every dad's nickname for Bill Clinton.
Speaker 1 (09:21):
My dad loves to call him that.
Speaker 2 (09:23):
Anyways, Garrison, we got up there. We are standing in
a crowd of journalists just trying to get a glimpse
of what's going on. And is there any particular part
of the speech you want to talk about, because there's
a few things that come to mind for me.
Speaker 3 (09:38):
I mean, yeah, I have notes on like the whole speech,
just you know, a few lines from each little section.
Speaker 4 (09:44):
And I think this.
Speaker 3 (09:45):
Speech was more important than most of Trump's speeches because
we've heard Trump speak, you know, a bajillion times now.
I will say Trump's R and C speech was important
because this was his first speech after getting shot at
in the head. And similarly, I think this speech for
Kamlo was extremely important because this is basically her second
presidential speech. The speech she's been using for her campaign
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trail has been the same stump speech for the past month.
It's been the same one that delivered many times, which
is not a regular but this is the first time
we've really heard her do a new speech, and this
is her introduction as a presidential candidate to the entire world.
As she took the stage, there's obviously tons of cheers
chants of usay she opened by praising Biden's record and
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his character, saying that history will will prove him to
have such a great record and character, and then she
framed her own personal story as like a template of
like the American journey, right, saying, quote, I'm no stranger
to unlikely.
Speaker 4 (10:43):
Journeys unquote Okay.
Speaker 3 (10:45):
She talked about her mother as an immigrant, saying her
parents met at a civil rights gathering and that her
dad taught her to be fearless, although her dad also,
I guess probably failed to teach her how to be
a good Marxist, but she did not bring that part
up in this speech.
Speaker 5 (11:00):
Relationship, but we all get to have.
Speaker 3 (11:02):
One, yes, But her parents taught her and her sister
about you know, different different civil rights leaders, including civil
rights lawyers that fought civil rights in court, and Kamala
said this is what inspired her to go to law school.
Although you know, very famously, she did not become like
a civil rights lawyer. She became a prosecutor. And Kamala
said that this was inspired by her high school best
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friend getting molested by her stepfather and that's what got
her to want to go down the prosecutor path.
Speaker 2 (11:32):
That was the first time that I had ever heard
her talk about that.
Speaker 5 (11:36):
Yeah, I hadn't heard that either.
Speaker 2 (11:37):
She literally did a few other times, obviously not on
that large of a stage.
Speaker 3 (11:41):
Yes, no, No, there was a lot of talk about that,
and a lot of talk about her focus on like
familial sexual abuse, molestation and other sex crimes as a prosecutor,
like basically framing that as like her specialty and that
that was a good part of what she focused on,
which she was a court prie. The line that she
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used to refer to her work in the court was
that quote, everyone has a right to safety, dignity, and justice.
So that was kind of the introduction to Kamala and
her background. That was like who she was, where she
came from. And then the speech pivoted to talking about
Orange Man Bad, which worked very well in twenty twenty,
and I think we're going to see more of that
the closer we get to the election.
Speaker 5 (12:23):
One way or the other. Is the last time you're
gonna get to make hay out of it, and so
you might as well do that while the sunshine.
Speaker 2 (12:28):
Yes, honestly, that was the general theme of the DNC
speeches for me, was like orange.
Speaker 5 (12:35):
Man Bad, we got one last shot we can be.
Speaker 4 (12:38):
Good for you, be good with us. We're good Orange
Man bad.
Speaker 3 (12:43):
It's even less that they want to be elected to
make any actual progressive change. It's that in order to
do that in the future, we first need to beat
Donald Trump. And that was kind of the guiding the
guiding principle of most of the DNC and Kamala's speech.
She called this election of a fight for America's future.
Speaker 5 (13:04):
It's infuriating that, like we deal with this again right
where we have to like sit down and knock the
Republicans out and end a chunk of the conservative ideology
in this country because literally nothing can progress without doing that,
and we still can't handle the more fundamental problems. But
you know, that's that's the way it is.
Speaker 3 (13:25):
Yeah, And she talked a lot about voting rights, saying
that Trump tried to throw away your vote and when
that didn't work, he directed an armed mob to the
capital to overthrow the election. She talked about how Trump
wants to deploy the military against protests, although she said
he wanted to play the military against quote our own citizens,
but this was in reference to him wanting to deploy
the military against protests, and she framed the Supreme Court's
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new ruling to give president's immunity in court from criminal prosecution,
as imagining Trump, but now without any guard rails, which
of course is very scary. And part of this is
Project twenty twenty five again trying to reiterate this as
the Republican's playbook in case Trump is able to get
back into office. Mentions of Project twenty twenty five starting
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a series of we are not going back chance, which
I think is probably some of the best messaging the
Democrats have the option of deploying this go around. I
know there was an upper Democratic strategist who has been
meeting with the Kamala team who said that this messaging
doesn't work because it's too vague and too negative and
not enough focused on the future. And thankfully the Democrats,
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or at least Kamala's team, did not listen to that guy,
because that is the most wrong a man has ever been.
This messaging has been playing very well in person at
all these rallies, and especially at the DNC. Kamala talked
a little bit about economics, saying, quote, we are charting
a future towards a strong and growing middle class unquote
end quote, We will build an opportunity economy where everyone
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has a chance to compete and a chance to succeed unquote, which.
Speaker 4 (14:57):
I guess is fine. I don't know.
Speaker 3 (14:58):
I have a few kind of issues with this, mainly
like what happens when you don't succeed and what happens
to the lower class. Throughout the entirety of the DNC,
there's been a lot of talk about growing a strong
middle class and a big focus on the middle class,
but very little focused on actually helping the people that
are having it the hardest in this country instead really
really catering to like the middle class voter, and I
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don't know's it's like, there's a lot of talk about labor.
There's a lot talking about like working people, like workers' rights.
That stuff all has a pretty big spotlight at the
DNC this year, but very little mentions of how we
can actually improve life for the lower class. She did
talk about, you know, very vague gestures towards lowering the
cost of everyday needs, but so far she's kind of
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yet to unveil any actual solid policies. Really we have
that first time home home buyers like twenty five K.
Speaker 5 (15:50):
Yeah, she's proposed some details on like how to help
increase the number of first time home buyers and build
an addition of like three million homes in the United States.
So there's been some but it is all kind of
vague at this point. Now. One thing that they do
have going for them is when the dims say, like
we're going to cut inflation. You know, we've seen inflation
drop from the post pandemic highs over the last couple
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of years to the point where it's at now, So
like that is that, you know, there's there's a leg
to stand on there. And in general, I actually think
one of the better economic points was made by Clinton
during his speech, which is that, like, the vast majority
of jobs that have been created over all of our
lifetimes have been created under democratic presidents, and you know,
if you can't if like that's your voting issue. The
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polls are also moving in the direction of that. People
seem to be trusting Kamala more on the economy, and
they trusted Biden, even though there's not really a perfectly
logical reason to do that. But this is elections aren't
about logic, right, like no es, They're about vibes. In
a lot of ways, They're about vibes, and I do
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think the dims. I think the dims have that actually,
like the good head wins on and now a lot
can change in the next seventy days or so. What
I really saw with this speech and with this convention
as a whole, was the Democratic Party embracing the middle
and some conservatives. And yeah, they tried not to be
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too directly abrasive to progressives and the left.
Speaker 4 (17:20):
But they weren't catering to them.
Speaker 5 (17:22):
But they were not catering to it. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (17:24):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (17:24):
Kamala did attack Trump on taxes, specifically saying that trumpill
do tax breaks to his billionaire friends, it'll add a
five trillion into the national debt, and she called Trump's
tariff proposal basically a national sales tax or a Trump
tax that'll raise costs for middle class families by up
to four thousand dollars a year, which is in line
with the whole bunch of economists' predictions if Trump's tariffs
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do go through, and then again gesturing to kind of
vague policy ideas without actually proposing strict policies, saying that quote,
we will provide access to capital for entrepreneurs, small business owners,
and founders, warning that Trump will ban abortion pills and
enact a national abortion ban and force the states to
report on people's abortions and miscarriages, and instead, Kamala will
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sign into law a bill that protects abortion access nationally,
as well as calling to pass the John Lewis Voting
Rights Act and the Freedom to Vote Act and more
kind of vague gestures towards protecting the freedom to love
who you love, to have clean air and clean water,
and the freedom that unlocks all others, the freedom to vote.
And so that's kind of the most of the domestic
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policy section of the speech, and that is the part
of the speech that we missed. And then we came
in right as she started talking about the border, saying
again that, like many others have talked about the DNC,
how the Democrats and Republicans work together to write the
strongest border bill in decades. And Kamala said that this
bill was endorsed by the Border Patrol which it wasn't.
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It was endorsed by the Border Patrol Union, but who cares?
And Comma talked about how Trump called Republicans to kill
the bills that Democrats couldn't take credit, and she promised
that she will bring back this bill and sign it
into law, saying that quote, we can create an earned
pathway to citizenship and secure our border unquote. So again,
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this is one of the areas that Democrats I think
have lost the most amount of ground on the past
like eight years, and they are still kind of willing
to seed it. And then in terms of like geopolitics
and foreign policy, one line of kmmalist that has kind
of cotton some flak, but also I don't know, I'll
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just read it, we can talk about it.
Speaker 4 (19:34):
She said that quote, I.
Speaker 3 (19:35):
Will ensure America always has the strongest, most lethal fighting
force in the world unquote.
Speaker 5 (19:42):
Yeah, So did you guys, what did you think by
the use of that language.
Speaker 2 (19:45):
I think she was trying to appeal to the voters
that don't think a woman can lead.
Speaker 1 (19:56):
That's the end of my sentence.
Speaker 4 (19:58):
Agreed.
Speaker 5 (19:58):
Oh interesting, I feel very differently.
Speaker 3 (20:01):
I found this as being a reaction to right wing
and centrist attacks kind of questioning her strength as a leader.
So she went for very very like intense language on this.
Speaker 5 (20:11):
So I feel very differently about that, and I think
this may be just due to the fact that I've
kind of some more experience with how people in the
NATSK space speak because the phrasing that she used, it's
been lampooned a lot online. We've all had a couple
of some bits about you know, talking about I don't
want a lethal the most lethal military in the world.
Speaker 4 (20:32):
I want this or that, but like that's what the
military does.
Speaker 5 (20:36):
No, no, Well, lethality is also a meme term, right, like
it like that, that's the way it is used in
this space. Like if you go to like speeches where
people who are involved in any level as contractors in
the military industrial complex making arms working for like, it
is all about when they're talking about like improving efficiency
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within the Air Force, it's about lethality, right, we are
increasing lethality, like that is our goal. That's what we're
doing here today, because that is the measure by which
you determine the success of the organization. So what I
saw Harris as doing by using that specific terminology was
not I am trying to talk extra hard in order
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to burnish my credentials because conservatives are going to attack me.
It was Trump is actually kind of weak on the
national security stuff, especially within the community of people who
are like Natsek Gools. Yeah.
Speaker 6 (21:33):
Right.
Speaker 5 (21:33):
The people who are members who are born and raised
members like my family, a lot of them, of the
military industrial complex, the people who have their professions in
that space, right, they actually don't all like Trump a lot.
And some evidence of that was recently he made some
statements where he essentially insulted Medal of Honor recipients that
like the VFW came out and attacked Trump, which is wild,
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like absolutely unpropsed.
Speaker 2 (21:59):
I do think it's a little but I definitely agree
with you, Robert, but I do think it's a little
bit of what Gar and I were talking about as well.
Another another thing that I'm just thinking of, as Robert
saying that, it's just how how often Trump has said that,
you know, the war, the war in Ukraine wouldn't happen
if he was in office, that like, he putn't scared
of him, and things like that, as like one of
his main reasons why we should reelect him is because
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he commands authority and nobody, nobody did anything bad when
he was in power. And I think a lot of
that has to do with Kamala's language choice.
Speaker 5 (22:35):
I mean, it's it's she said what she said, because
it was a way of expressing like.
Speaker 3 (22:41):
Like an internal signifier to other people in the natsock space.
Speaker 5 (22:44):
Yeah, yeah, it was. It was. It was a way
of saying that I am not just I'm not an outsider,
I am a professional. I understand and speak about this
the same way that you guys do.
Speaker 4 (22:52):
Yeah yeah, yeah, right, no, I can I can see that.
Speaker 5 (22:55):
You know, the whole speech I kind of saw in
those terms. It was very much calculated. I could see
who they were trying to get with that speech. There
was a bit in there for everybody, and they were
trying to get kind of those moderate chunks of every
gurban crisin, moderate chunks of the people whose primary issue
is Gaza, right, because there is a chunk of the
people who's who are mostly concerned this election with what
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the fuck we're going to do about Gaza, but also
are not you know, hardline communists or whatever. You know,
are people who, like the uncommitted folks, really want to
embrace the Democratic Party and are maybe.
Speaker 4 (23:31):
People who still believe in the system what want to.
Speaker 5 (23:33):
Just need a little bit of a lie that they
can go along with to vote right, Like Kamala was
attempting to kind of give because she didn't announce a
substantive change in policy. Now, her verbiage on Gaza in
this speech was the same as the kind of stuff
that like Obama was saying honestly, like ten years ago.
Speaker 1 (23:51):
Sure, Gary, do you have a quote of what she said?
Speaker 4 (23:54):
Yeah, let's talk about it.
Speaker 1 (23:56):
But first of let's head to our last ad break
real quick.
Speaker 3 (24:07):
All right, let's talk about her closing remarks relating on
foreign policy and Palestine. I guess there's a few other
kind of general foreign policy things, yeah, saying that under
her watch, quote, we will lead the world into the
future on space and artificial intelligence. America, not China, will
win the competition for the twenty first century unquote. She
framed Trump as an ally of Russia and Putin, and
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she claimed that she will help us quote stand strong
with Ukraine and our NATO allies. And then finally, one
of the last things she talked about was Israel Palestine, saying, quote,
President Biden and I are working around the clock. Now
is the time to get a hostage deal done and
a ceasefire deal done. This had a decent sized cheer.
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She followed this up by saying, quote, we will always
stand for Israel's right to defend itself and ensure Israel
has the ability to defend itself.
Speaker 4 (24:58):
Unquote.
Speaker 3 (25:00):
I think this signals mostly to people that it's unlikely
she will adopt anything resembling an arms embargo. And there
was a lot of internal pressure from the uncommitted folks,
people who got into the DNC trying to push on
this topic, specifically because Democrats are now kind of adopted
kind of vague ceasefire rhetoric. Now, the goalpost does need
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to be shifted towards something that will actually stop the
bombing of families inside Gaza, and that is an arms embargo,
some kind of conditions on the way that bombs and
weapons are going to be used. And I think this
line signified that that is probably not going to take
place at least before the election.
Speaker 1 (25:40):
No, definitely not before the election.
Speaker 5 (25:42):
Wait, that's very clear at this point.
Speaker 4 (25:44):
And she kind of both sides this issue.
Speaker 3 (25:46):
Yeah, Her last quote was quote what has happened in
Gaza over the past ten months is devastating. So many
innocent lives lost, desperate, hungry people fleeing for safety over
and over again. The scale of suffering is heartbreaking.
Speaker 5 (26:01):
Whom is making them do this.
Speaker 3 (26:02):
President Biden and I are working to end this war
such that Israel is secure, the hostages are released, the
suffering in Gaza ends, and the Palestinian people can realize
their right to dignity, security, freedom, and self determination unquote.
And this was followed by what I would call the
biggest cheers of the entire night.
Speaker 2 (26:23):
Yeah, I was about I was about to say, the
crowd reaction was massive to.
Speaker 3 (26:27):
That people lost it so much bigger cheers than saying
we will ensure Israel has the ability to defend itself.
This closing line about dignity, security, freedom, and self determination
for the Palestinian people got by far the biggest cheers.
Speaker 4 (26:40):
But like, what does it mean? Like what are you
actually saying?
Speaker 1 (26:42):
It means nothing?
Speaker 5 (26:43):
I mean what all of that means to me is
that like Democrats, because they are normal people, they're not Republicans,
they know how bad all this is.
Speaker 4 (26:53):
They hate it, they are mad at it, and Yahoo,
you only really.
Speaker 5 (26:56):
Need to see a couple of war crime videos to
know that, like what happened is happening over there is ghastly.
They also aren't willing to like nuke their lives and
a lot of other people's lives to let Trump back in, right.
Speaker 3 (27:11):
And I do believe they genuinely view Israel as an
extremely important ally in the Middle East.
Speaker 5 (27:16):
Yeah, and they think that this could be fixed, right
because like we did some awful stuff in Iraq, but
then we elected Bobama and everything got better, right or
something like that. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (27:25):
No, I mean like they don't like Netan Yahoo. The
Badian admin doesn't like that Yahoo because he's not efficient
at war. He's efficient at doing like like an ethnic cleansing,
he's efficient at doing wide civilian casualties, but he's not
good at actually like fighting this war very well. This
is something that like Biden's team has consistently not been
thrilled by, but they're not going to do much about it.
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Kind of the last foreign policy line that she had was, quote,
I will never hesitate to take whatever action is necessary
to defend our forces and our interests against Iran and
Iran backed terrorists, and will not cozy up to irants
and dictators like Kim Jong un who are rooting for
Trump unquote. And I think basically this ties into a
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whole bunch of rhetoric that I've seen throughout the DNC
including from speakers, speakers who are either vets or active military.
That seems to be kind of slowly preparing the Democratic
Party for another war, for some kind of on the
ground activity in the Middle East, whether that be in Lebanon,
whether that be in Iran. It's like they're slowly just
prepping us for the possibility of war or invasion.
Speaker 1 (28:31):
Oh, that does seem likely.
Speaker 3 (28:34):
This is a big part of like the Democratic Party's
official like a policy platform on Palestine, which they did
release during the DNC, and a big part of that
is about is talking about how important Israel is as
a Middle East ally.
Speaker 5 (28:47):
Where will we fly our planes over.
Speaker 3 (28:49):
If they ever need to put troops on the ground.
And I think that is so much of why they're
unwilling to budge on anything resembling like an actual ceasefire
or an arms embargo is because they view this as
like a real possibility. Anyway, that was that was this speech.
The balloons dropped. Everyone lost their minds. Yep, it's not
a cult in the same way.
Speaker 5 (29:09):
But there's there's you can see one building.
Speaker 3 (29:12):
Maybe the party is a cult, but it's not a
Kamala cult the same way the GOP is now a
Trump cult, right, like the Republicans are now a Trump cult.
Speaker 4 (29:19):
It is.
Speaker 3 (29:20):
It is not a cult of like who is the
leader in the DNC, but it is more of a
cult of like ideology, which I guess the Republicans just
don't even have anymore.
Speaker 5 (29:27):
It's not even that it's it's a cult of uh.
I think I would describe it as defensive cult making.
Democrats have been so bewildered and frightened by the momentum
that Trump and his people have had over the last decade,
and they have like responded in part by adapting some
aspects of like the cultic milieu to wrap around these
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ideas that like are are safe to them like that.
That's a big part of the appeal of that don't
go back champ right, which I think is a smart
bit of politics, and I think actually it has the
potential to save quite a bit of lives, particularly at
least of like queer trans people in the United States.
So I'm not saying this is bad politics, but there
is a level of cultiness to that where you are
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kind of enrapturing people with this possibility of constant forward
motion that we all know doesn't feel as true as
it felt in twenties fifteen or fourteen. You know, it
doesn't feel as possible as it felt in twenty twelve
or two thousand and eight, that they're kind of trying
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to sell people on if we can just get over
the hurdle of these Republicans, right, we can get back
to the period where like things felt like we were
all moving in the right direction, and that's magical thinking, Yeah.
Speaker 4 (30:46):
We can get back to a period of steady progress.
Speaker 5 (30:49):
I try to be even about this because as I
wrote that episode, the fucking don't panic episode, because I
was looking at people's talking on Reddit and in Twitter
and just in real life and being like, I think
some folks might kill themselves soon, yeah, out of fear
of the Republicans. So I really hope no one reads
what I'm saying is like, Ah, these stupid libs and
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their hope fetish. It's like no, no, no, But it's
still a cultic belief. It's not rational. It may be
necessary sometimes irrational beliefs are necessary, sure, but there's not
a good reason for it yet. And don't fall too far,
like fall, try not to fall further down that hole.
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Then you need to fall in order to keep yourself
alive for the next eight months.
Speaker 3 (31:36):
So, even though Trump has spoke a lot the past
eight years, his speech at the ERNC, I think was
important because it was the first one post assassination. His
viewership for that speech peaked at twenty eight point four million.
Viewership for Kamala's speech Thursday night peaked at twenty eight
point nine million. So she edged him out barely, at
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least in terms of peak numbers, by about five hundred
thousand views.
Speaker 1 (32:03):
Very even, very even, yeah.
Speaker 4 (32:06):
Very even.
Speaker 3 (32:06):
And again, like Khan was not spoken tons, there's a
lot of people of tuning in to see what she
sounds like, kind of for the first time on a
big national platform. And meanwhile, I think people are just
briefly tuning into Trump just to see what he's like
after getting shot in the head. And I will read
a few of Trump's tweets of well.
Speaker 5 (32:23):
He's not doing well. He's not doing well at all.
Speaker 1 (32:26):
Man, was he spiraling?
Speaker 3 (32:28):
Oh my god, from combless speech he just started by
all caps?
Speaker 4 (32:33):
Is she talking about me?
Speaker 5 (32:35):
Excellent? Incredible stuff. Donald, buddy, I can tell you're slipping
because four years ago you'd tried to tweet that out.
You wouldn't have had to hear it from someone. There
would have been a voice in your own head before
you press sin that would have been like, don't do that, Donnie,
come on, Donnie, come on, come on, You're better than.
Speaker 3 (32:52):
This quote too many thank yous, too rapidly said what's
going on with her? Followed by one minute later in
all caps, where's hunter see again?
Speaker 5 (33:05):
That his prime It would have been something. It would
have been something like loopy hair or shit, some shit.
He would have made some sort of insulting remark about
her personal appearance and ignored the rest of the speech.
Speaker 3 (33:17):
One one minute later, Walls was an assistant coach, not
a coach.
Speaker 5 (33:22):
That's such a weak.
Speaker 2 (33:24):
Very funny, very funny, oh thing.
Speaker 5 (33:29):
Most American men have been on a sports team, and
we all know you just call them all coach.
Speaker 1 (33:35):
Everyone is like coach.
Speaker 5 (33:36):
They're just all coach. You don't say assistant coach. No
player in a football team is everything like, hey, assistant coach,
could you come over here? Like that's just not the
way people are.
Speaker 1 (33:47):
No wow, anything else.
Speaker 3 (33:50):
A few months ago we did an episode talking about
kind of polls that it is now largely outdated because
Biden's no longer in the race, but we did talk
about how most people's pick for president was literally anybody else.
We saw one booth at the DNC protest that was
literally anyone else themed booth, And oh boy, do I
have news for you, buddy, the news. But we do
have some polling data kind of on how satisfied people
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feel based on their choices for this presidential election. Now,
obviously that there's a small post convention bump for Harris,
but that that kind of usually tapers off.
Speaker 4 (34:23):
But in terms of their satisfaction.
Speaker 3 (34:25):
Of the candidacy options, in May, only fifty five percent
of Democrats said they were satisfied. Now seventy nine percent
say they're satisfied. Massive And for Republicans, back in May,
sixty eight were satisfied and now seventy four are satisfied.
So but both are moving towards higher satisfaction. And obviously
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the giant shift in Democrat numbers is is because of
Kamala now and they're more satisfied with her than Republicans
seem to be with Trump, which is which is an
interesting stat and this is based on a New York
Times to see in a College poll of registered vote
in Arizona, Georgia, Nomada, Michigan, Pennsylvania, and Wisconsin. So that's
just a few interesting a few interesting little notes there
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as we close out this week talking about the DNC.
And then finally I have one kind of little funny anecdote.
As we were leaving the DNC after Kamala's speech, means
so iph he was walking around this area of Chicago
trying to get far enough away from the convention center
to get newber And I saw this guy maybe in
his like oh so funny, probably in his twenties, who
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was either about to block up or just de blocked.
And you can tell because he's wearing the pants he's wearing.
Speaker 5 (35:37):
Doc martins Garrison is referring to someone who has just
taken off their black block as in the traditional kind
of anarchist protest garb, and put on normal street clothes
so as to escape from a police cordon.
Speaker 4 (35:49):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (35:50):
So this this guy was walking around either about to
go to the protest or just left still had the
Doc martins On had like the backpack full of his stuff.
And as he walked by me, I just almost instinctively,
like without thinking at all, this was this was this
wasn't on purpose, just instinctively, I kind of muttered to myself,
I know what you are and and he heard this
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and like turned around looking kind of like confused or concern,
and I just had to I had to turn around.
I just gave him a smile and a thumbs up,
and he smiled back and kept and kept walking on.
And that was my last interaction at the DNC, just
just a little bit of using to me. There was
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a protest of around similar numbers to Mondays, so maybe
like three thousand, two thousand people for kind of the
last march on the DNC last Thursday. So there was
another one of these big kind of coalition led marches Uly.
Speaker 5 (36:45):
It was not far from Monday's numbers actually, which was
which was impressive.
Speaker 3 (36:49):
Pretty close, pretty close, but they did not reach the
fence on like last time. A small section of them
did not break off from the protest marshals and bypass
a section of the fence on like like Monday, which
did cause significant disruptions, but disruptions were not needed because
the DNC disrupted itself by overbooking the venue and having
way too many people.
Speaker 4 (37:08):
So there you go. That was the DNC I'm really
glad it's over. Me too.
Speaker 5 (37:13):
I'm really glad it's over too, And I can't wait
until twenty twenty eight when we all get to be
together again to cover the next election. If there is.
Speaker 3 (37:24):
One, Comrade AOC proudly takes control. She raises the red
flag on stage.
Speaker 5 (37:31):
Comrade AOC with her vice presidential candidate, the literal bones
of Leon Trotsky running versus just an open chasm to
the pit of Hell, an actual crack in the earth
through which you can see the ephemeral forms of demons
roiling in the magma below. That's gotta be a great
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gotta be a great one. Really excited for those conventions.
Speaker 1 (37:56):
And or Donald Trump Junior.
Speaker 5 (37:59):
Eric Trump and Donald Trump finally the dream team.
Speaker 4 (38:03):
I believe they could open up a chasm to Hell.
I do.
Speaker 5 (38:07):
I think what would be more likely is if Eric
Trump and Donald Trump Junior are on the same team
with a bunch of secret Service agents, that we finally
finally have a presidential election decided from a fentanyl overdose.
They get some tampered coke.
Speaker 1 (38:23):
Anyways, the podcast is over. I'm gonna go dine out.
Speaker 5 (38:26):
Goodbye.
Speaker 6 (38:30):
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Speaker 1 (38:47):
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Speaker 2 (00:05):
All right, this is the last night of the DNC
episode or reporting from our homes now, which is great
because I feel like death. Garrison Davis is here, I'm
Sophie Lickdrman Robert Evans is here.
Speaker 3 (00:20):
We more or less survived the DNZ. So if he
took a few hits there at the end. So the
DNC is over, it's wrapped up, it's all finished, Thank goodness.
Tiring in a very different way than the RNC, and
I mean obviously a very different demographic. And this is
something that I noticed just as soon as I got
to the airport, Like when I got to the.
Speaker 4 (00:39):
Gate for the RNC, it was like, oh, I'm here
for the r n.
Speaker 3 (00:42):
C, And when I got to the gate for the DNC,
it was, Oh, this is just a regular airport gate.
This is just normal people. There's a very broad demographic
that you know, pretty fairly would represent whatever city you
happen to come from. And in calling these people normal,
that's not saying they're necessarily good people, but they're normal people. Sure,
they're into politics, maybe a little bit more than your
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average person, but by and large they are kind of
regular people. And including shitty in a lot of the
ways that regular people are shitty about politics. Would that
be their views on Palestine, Gaza, queer people, But it's
a pretty pretty normal demographic base.
Speaker 5 (01:22):
Yeah, it's the difference between like when something and I
showed up at our gate for the RNC, we took
off our masks because the threat at that point was
being on a mask surrounded by Republicans. Yes, right, yeah, it.
Speaker 2 (01:35):
Was like the risk to our lives was greater than
the risk of COVID to our lives safety eyes.
Speaker 5 (01:43):
Yeah, whereas we just kind of treated the flights to
and from the DNC like normal flights, like like you'd
handle the normal precautions just regular people.
Speaker 2 (01:52):
Some of that has to do with the fact that
Chicago's like a much larger city.
Speaker 4 (01:56):
Yeah sure, but yes.
Speaker 3 (01:58):
But I mean I got to the conversation with a
delegate from Georgia who was sitting right next to me,
you know, young guy mid twenties. Very clearly everyone on
the plane was going to the DNC, at least for me,
And yeah, I mean you just.
Speaker 4 (02:11):
Had like a regular conversation, was it Little John? No, No, Sophie,
it was not okay, cool.
Speaker 5 (02:16):
So if he little John as a senior citizen.
Speaker 1 (02:18):
Now it's little John, thank you so much.
Speaker 3 (02:20):
But no, he was this this young, kind of nominally
progressive Democrat who was excited this is I think, I
think his first time going excited to vote for Kamala,
much more excited about her than Joe. He also just
finished his college program to get a criminal justice degree.
So it's like, yeah, it's this is this is who
the Democratic Party is. Yeah, just random, kind of kind
(02:41):
of queer, but definitely sis dude, like gay dude, bisexual, whatever.
But yeah, it's gonna reform, reform that criminal justice from
the inside. Yeah, anyway, kind of I just wanted to
descorry about talking to this kind of those kind of
general convention demographics because that's basically the same it felt
well inside the convention as well.
Speaker 5 (03:02):
Yes, a lot more what I will say is a
lot more women who are like middle aged at the
d n C, Like that was the overwhelmingly most common
demographic on like at the convention that I noticed.
Speaker 3 (03:17):
And probably more racial diversity than a lot of then
a lot of cities probably Honestly, Yeah, I guess that's
a good general sign, but it's not a great sign
just in and of itself.
Speaker 5 (03:29):
Right.
Speaker 3 (03:29):
I guess it's it's good for kind of the general
future of this country, but it doesn't it doesn't really
affect many of the biggest problems that we're kind of addressing,
whether that be you know, gazo that, whether that be
police brutality, whether that be all all of these other things,
LGBTQ issues, the economy, right, like, that does not necessarily
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equal over onto any of those, at least at the DNC.
But you know that is that is a general trend
that that that the country is heading towards. It seems
so there you go, and my god, was there a
lot of people there was.
Speaker 2 (04:03):
There was such an unhinged amount of people, Like I
can't even.
Speaker 5 (04:08):
It was so much bigger and so much more crowded
than the DRNC.
Speaker 2 (04:14):
I set this online when right wingers were trying to
be like there was nobody there, which was like, you're
you're so dumb.
Speaker 5 (04:21):
It was vastly more crowded.
Speaker 2 (04:23):
But like at the R and C, most of the time,
we generally had an entire road to ourselves.
Speaker 5 (04:28):
Yeah, it was always easy to find seating.
Speaker 3 (04:30):
Super eased to find a spot to sit any time
during the R and C. Not true for the DNC,
very challenging to find a seat, and this kind of
brings us to the last day of the convention.
Speaker 4 (04:39):
Horrible.
Speaker 6 (04:40):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (04:40):
The three of us wrap up a very nice dinner
with mister Vermin Supreme lovely, possibly the most ethical presidential
candidate this year.
Speaker 5 (04:48):
The only presidential candidate who has been maced with a
member of the Cool Zone media team. We can say
that much.
Speaker 4 (04:55):
Yeah, so we have a great to dinner with them.
Speaker 3 (04:58):
We walked over to the DNC, mass massive lines coming outside,
terrible and then we get told it's okay, there's a
special press entry, so we bypass all those lines. We
are feeling great, We are feeling like gods, just passing
by hundreds and hundreds of people waiting waiting line to
get the DNC. It was a very powerful feeling. I've
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never felt that empowered before.
Speaker 5 (05:21):
Oh Garrison, Oh you sweet summer child.
Speaker 4 (05:24):
It was wonderful.
Speaker 1 (05:24):
It was really a rush that can't be described.
Speaker 5 (05:27):
Yeah. I almost didn't want to let you guys know
that the whole venue is at capacity.
Speaker 3 (05:33):
So we get up to the door after just breezing through,
going past all of those lines, and we get to
the door and all the doors are shut. Yeah, there's
secret Service at every entrance saying that nobody can get
in because the venue is at capacity.
Speaker 4 (05:49):
And the crash, oh.
Speaker 3 (05:50):
My god, the crash that we had from our high
so so bad.
Speaker 5 (05:55):
I talked to a couple of police officers outside the
venue who were like, yeah, the fire marshals are here,
like it was literally I do think that it from
and from everything I've read since, I think their reboarding
was accurate. Yes, like there were just more people than
were allowed to be in the building.
Speaker 2 (06:12):
They definitely let more people in than they should have. Yeah, however,
there was a group of journalists with Garrison and myself
that were waiting to be let in, and there was
like triple the amount of people to journalists that left
in the time that we were standing there, which was
a very long time. And let me just say, the
secret service officer really enjoyed telling a bunch of journalists
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that we couldn't come in. He was having a great
night ruining our night.
Speaker 5 (06:40):
I mean, there's nothing that makes me happier than making
a journalist miserable. So I actually do feel some solidarity there.
You know, I would love to tell a bunch of
journalists fuck you.
Speaker 3 (06:49):
I was certainly skeptical because of just how many people
were getting let out, because I really wanted to see
how full the venue actually was. And after waiting for
nearly for two hours, two hours.
Speaker 1 (07:00):
Two hours, two hours, I went home.
Speaker 4 (07:02):
Pablo's speech already started.
Speaker 2 (07:04):
I abandoned you, and then some media logistics person from
the Secret Service entrance every five minutes would point at
ten people like they were the chosen ones to let them.
Speaker 1 (07:15):
Into the arena.
Speaker 2 (07:17):
And on round three or four, Garre and I did
in fact get in and run up like seven or
eight flights of stairs, which I'm still feeling.
Speaker 5 (07:25):
You made the cut. You made the cut. We did.
I bet Tim Walls whispered your very names into the
ears of that Secret Service agent.
Speaker 2 (07:33):
Although I do feel like a piece of me is
still on those stairs because it was brutal.
Speaker 4 (07:38):
It was bad.
Speaker 3 (07:38):
And then we got up to kind of the floor
of the arena that we usually entered into and they
were not lying. It was way too full. There was
not a single seat available. People were standing in the
fire exits, people were standing on the stairs and the
hallways inside the actual arena. It was it was, in
fact a real safety hazard.
Speaker 5 (07:58):
Yeah, I do really feel the need emphasize not one
of those things where the cops were fucking over the
press or whatever for their own It was a serious issue.
Speaker 3 (08:07):
Now we saw firefighters inspecting the hallways and letting a
whole bunch of fire code violations fly. Yeah, we were
not supposed to be standing in the middle of that stairwell.
And yeah we got inside just in time for the
foreign policy, border patrol, and geopolitics section of Kamalis's speech.
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And we will talk about her speech, including those aspects,
right after we come back from this ad break.
Speaker 4 (08:45):
All right.
Speaker 3 (08:45):
The final speech of the DNC arguably the most important one,
although the DNC just went on for so long that
I was so checked out by that last day.
Speaker 2 (08:55):
Honestly, it was just Bill Clinton's nine hour speech where
he just was just the oldest man who's ever lived.
Speaker 5 (09:01):
No, he's convinced me. You know, I watched last night
several episodes of the show about him committing a sex
crime as the president, and it really reminded me. Boy
slick Willy's gotten old.
Speaker 1 (09:14):
Yeah, thank you for music. My dad's nickname for Bill
Clinton on Mike Click Willy.
Speaker 5 (09:18):
That's every dad's nickname for Bill Clinton.
Speaker 1 (09:21):
My dad loves to call him that.
Speaker 2 (09:23):
Anyways, Garrison, we got up there. We are standing in
a crowd of journalists just trying to get a glimpse
of what's going on. And is there any particular part
of the speech you want to talk about, because there's
a few things that come to mind for me.
Speaker 3 (09:38):
I mean, yeah, I have notes on like the whole speech,
just you know, a few lines from each little section.
Speaker 4 (09:44):
And I think this.
Speaker 3 (09:45):
Speech was more important than most of Trump's speeches because
we've heard Trump speak, you know, a bajillion times now.
I will say Trump's R and C speech was important
because this was his first speech after getting shot at
in the head. And similarly, I think this speech for
Kamlo was extremely important because this is basically her second
presidential speech. The speech she's been using for her campaign
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trail has been the same stump speech for the past month.
It's been the same one that delivered many times, which
is not a regular but this is the first time
we've really heard her do a new speech, and this
is her introduction as a presidential candidate to the entire world.
As she took the stage, there's obviously tons of cheers
chants of usay she opened by praising Biden's record and
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his character, saying that history will will prove him to
have such a great record and character, and then she
framed her own personal story as like a template of
like the American journey, right, saying, quote, I'm no stranger
to unlikely.
Speaker 4 (10:43):
Journeys unquote Okay.
Speaker 3 (10:45):
She talked about her mother as an immigrant, saying her
parents met at a civil rights gathering and that her
dad taught her to be fearless, although her dad also,
I guess probably failed to teach her how to be
a good Marxist, but she did not bring that part
up in this speech.
Speaker 5 (11:00):
Relationship, but we all get to have.
Speaker 3 (11:02):
One, yes, But her parents taught her and her sister
about you know, different different civil rights leaders, including civil
rights lawyers that fought civil rights in court, and Kamala
said this is what inspired her to go to law school.
Although you know, very famously, she did not become like
a civil rights lawyer. She became a prosecutor. And Kamala
said that this was inspired by her high school best
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friend getting molested by her stepfather and that's what got
her to want to go down the prosecutor path.
Speaker 2 (11:32):
That was the first time that I had ever heard
her talk about that.
Speaker 5 (11:36):
Yeah, I hadn't heard that either.
Speaker 2 (11:37):
She literally did a few other times, obviously not on
that large of a stage.
Speaker 3 (11:41):
Yes, no, No, there was a lot of talk about that,
and a lot of talk about her focus on like
familial sexual abuse, molestation and other sex crimes as a prosecutor,
like basically framing that as like her specialty and that
that was a good part of what she focused on,
which she was a court prie. The line that she
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used to refer to her work in the court was
that quote, everyone has a right to safety, dignity, and justice.
So that was kind of the introduction to Kamala and
her background. That was like who she was, where she
came from. And then the speech pivoted to talking about
Orange Man Bad, which worked very well in twenty twenty,
and I think we're going to see more of that
the closer we get to the election.
Speaker 5 (12:23):
One way or the other. Is the last time you're
gonna get to make hay out of it, and so
you might as well do that while the sunshine.
Speaker 2 (12:28):
Yes, honestly, that was the general theme of the DNC
speeches for me, was like orange.
Speaker 5 (12:35):
Man Bad, we got one last shot we can be.
Speaker 4 (12:38):
Good for you, be good with us. We're good Orange
Man bad.
Speaker 3 (12:43):
It's even less that they want to be elected to
make any actual progressive change. It's that in order to
do that in the future, we first need to beat
Donald Trump. And that was kind of the guiding the
guiding principle of most of the DNC and Kamala's speech.
She called this election of a fight for America's future.
Speaker 5 (13:04):
It's infuriating that, like we deal with this again right
where we have to like sit down and knock the
Republicans out and end a chunk of the conservative ideology
in this country because literally nothing can progress without doing that,
and we still can't handle the more fundamental problems. But
you know, that's that's the way it is.
Speaker 3 (13:25):
Yeah, And she talked a lot about voting rights, saying
that Trump tried to throw away your vote and when
that didn't work, he directed an armed mob to the
capital to overthrow the election. She talked about how Trump
wants to deploy the military against protests, although she said
he wanted to play the military against quote our own citizens,
but this was in reference to him wanting to deploy
the military against protests, and she framed the Supreme Court's
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new ruling to give president's immunity in court from criminal prosecution,
as imagining Trump, but now without any guard rails, which
of course is very scary. And part of this is
Project twenty twenty five again trying to reiterate this as
the Republican's playbook in case Trump is able to get
back into office. Mentions of Project twenty twenty five starting
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a series of we are not going back chance, which
I think is probably some of the best messaging the
Democrats have the option of deploying this go around. I
know there was an upper Democratic strategist who has been
meeting with the Kamala team who said that this messaging
doesn't work because it's too vague and too negative and
not enough focused on the future. And thankfully the Democrats,
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or at least Kamala's team, did not listen to that guy,
because that is the most wrong a man has ever been.
This messaging has been playing very well in person at
all these rallies, and especially at the DNC. Kamala talked
a little bit about economics, saying, quote, we are charting
a future towards a strong and growing middle class unquote
end quote, We will build an opportunity economy where everyone
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has a chance to compete and a chance to succeed unquote, which.
Speaker 4 (14:57):
I guess is fine. I don't know.
Speaker 3 (14:58):
I have a few kind of issues with this, mainly
like what happens when you don't succeed and what happens
to the lower class. Throughout the entirety of the DNC,
there's been a lot of talk about growing a strong
middle class and a big focus on the middle class,
but very little focused on actually helping the people that
are having it the hardest in this country instead really
really catering to like the middle class voter, and I
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don't know's it's like, there's a lot of talk about labor.
There's a lot talking about like working people, like workers' rights.
That stuff all has a pretty big spotlight at the
DNC this year, but very little mentions of how we
can actually improve life for the lower class. She did
talk about, you know, very vague gestures towards lowering the
cost of everyday needs, but so far she's kind of
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yet to unveil any actual solid policies. Really we have
that first time home home buyers like twenty five K.
Speaker 5 (15:50):
Yeah, she's proposed some details on like how to help
increase the number of first time home buyers and build
an addition of like three million homes in the United States.
So there's been some but it is all kind of
vague at this point. Now. One thing that they do
have going for them is when the dims say, like
we're going to cut inflation. You know, we've seen inflation
drop from the post pandemic highs over the last couple
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of years to the point where it's at now, So
like that is that, you know, there's there's a leg
to stand on there. And in general, I actually think
one of the better economic points was made by Clinton
during his speech, which is that, like, the vast majority
of jobs that have been created over all of our
lifetimes have been created under democratic presidents, and you know,
if you can't if like that's your voting issue. The
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polls are also moving in the direction of that. People
seem to be trusting Kamala more on the economy, and
they trusted Biden, even though there's not really a perfectly
logical reason to do that. But this is elections aren't
about logic, right, like no es, They're about vibes. In
a lot of ways, They're about vibes, and I do
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think the dims. I think the dims have that actually,
like the good head wins on and now a lot
can change in the next seventy days or so. What
I really saw with this speech and with this convention
as a whole, was the Democratic Party embracing the middle
and some conservatives. And yeah, they tried not to be
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too directly abrasive to progressives and the left.
Speaker 4 (17:20):
But they weren't catering to them.
Speaker 5 (17:22):
But they were not catering to it. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (17:24):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (17:24):
Kamala did attack Trump on taxes, specifically saying that trumpill
do tax breaks to his billionaire friends, it'll add a
five trillion into the national debt, and she called Trump's
tariff proposal basically a national sales tax or a Trump
tax that'll raise costs for middle class families by up
to four thousand dollars a year, which is in line
with the whole bunch of economists' predictions if Trump's tariffs
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do go through, and then again gesturing to kind of
vague policy ideas without actually proposing strict policies, saying that quote,
we will provide access to capital for entrepreneurs, small business owners,
and founders, warning that Trump will ban abortion pills and
enact a national abortion ban and force the states to
report on people's abortions and miscarriages, and instead, Kamala will
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sign into law a bill that protects abortion access nationally,
as well as calling to pass the John Lewis Voting
Rights Act and the Freedom to Vote Act and more
kind of vague gestures towards protecting the freedom to love
who you love, to have clean air and clean water,
and the freedom that unlocks all others, the freedom to vote.
And so that's kind of the most of the domestic
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policy section of the speech, and that is the part
of the speech that we missed. And then we came
in right as she started talking about the border, saying
again that, like many others have talked about the DNC,
how the Democrats and Republicans work together to write the
strongest border bill in decades. And Kamala said that this
bill was endorsed by the Border Patrol which it wasn't.
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It was endorsed by the Border Patrol Union, but who cares?
And Comma talked about how Trump called Republicans to kill
the bills that Democrats couldn't take credit, and she promised
that she will bring back this bill and sign it
into law, saying that quote, we can create an earned
pathway to citizenship and secure our border unquote. So again,
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this is one of the areas that Democrats I think
have lost the most amount of ground on the past
like eight years, and they are still kind of willing
to seed it. And then in terms of like geopolitics
and foreign policy, one line of kmmalist that has kind
of cotton some flak, but also I don't know, I'll
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just read it, we can talk about it.
Speaker 4 (19:34):
She said that quote, I.
Speaker 3 (19:35):
Will ensure America always has the strongest, most lethal fighting
force in the world unquote.
Speaker 5 (19:42):
Yeah, So did you guys, what did you think by
the use of that language.
Speaker 2 (19:45):
I think she was trying to appeal to the voters
that don't think a woman can lead.
Speaker 1 (19:56):
That's the end of my sentence.
Speaker 4 (19:58):
Agreed.
Speaker 5 (19:58):
Oh interesting, I feel very differently.
Speaker 3 (20:01):
I found this as being a reaction to right wing
and centrist attacks kind of questioning her strength as a leader.
So she went for very very like intense language on this.
Speaker 5 (20:11):
So I feel very differently about that, and I think
this may be just due to the fact that I've
kind of some more experience with how people in the
NATSK space speak because the phrasing that she used, it's
been lampooned a lot online. We've all had a couple
of some bits about you know, talking about I don't
want a lethal the most lethal military in the world.
Speaker 4 (20:32):
I want this or that, but like that's what the
military does.
Speaker 5 (20:36):
No, no, Well, lethality is also a meme term, right, like
it like that, that's the way it is used in
this space. Like if you go to like speeches where
people who are involved in any level as contractors in
the military industrial complex making arms working for like, it
is all about when they're talking about like improving efficiency
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within the Air Force, it's about lethality, right, we are
increasing lethality, like that is our goal. That's what we're
doing here today, because that is the measure by which
you determine the success of the organization. So what I
saw Harris as doing by using that specific terminology was
not I am trying to talk extra hard in order
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to burnish my credentials because conservatives are going to attack me.
It was Trump is actually kind of weak on the
national security stuff, especially within the community of people who
are like Natsek Gools. Yeah.
Speaker 6 (21:33):
Right.
Speaker 5 (21:33):
The people who are members who are born and raised
members like my family, a lot of them, of the
military industrial complex, the people who have their professions in
that space, right, they actually don't all like Trump a lot.
And some evidence of that was recently he made some
statements where he essentially insulted Medal of Honor recipients that
like the VFW came out and attacked Trump, which is wild,
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like absolutely unpropsed.
Speaker 2 (21:59):
I do think it's a little but I definitely agree
with you, Robert, but I do think it's a little
bit of what Gar and I were talking about as well.
Another another thing that I'm just thinking of, as Robert
saying that, it's just how how often Trump has said that,
you know, the war, the war in Ukraine wouldn't happen
if he was in office, that like, he putn't scared
of him, and things like that, as like one of
his main reasons why we should reelect him is because
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he commands authority and nobody, nobody did anything bad when
he was in power. And I think a lot of
that has to do with Kamala's language choice.
Speaker 5 (22:35):
I mean, it's it's she said what she said, because
it was a way of expressing like.
Speaker 3 (22:41):
Like an internal signifier to other people in the natsock space.
Speaker 5 (22:44):
Yeah, yeah, it was. It was. It was a way
of saying that I am not just I'm not an outsider,
I am a professional. I understand and speak about this
the same way that you guys do.
Speaker 4 (22:52):
Yeah yeah, yeah, right, no, I can I can see that.
Speaker 5 (22:55):
You know, the whole speech I kind of saw in
those terms. It was very much calculated. I could see
who they were trying to get with that speech. There
was a bit in there for everybody, and they were
trying to get kind of those moderate chunks of every
gurban crisin, moderate chunks of the people whose primary issue
is Gaza, right, because there is a chunk of the
people who's who are mostly concerned this election with what
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the fuck we're going to do about Gaza, but also
are not you know, hardline communists or whatever. You know,
are people who, like the uncommitted folks, really want to
embrace the Democratic Party and are maybe.
Speaker 4 (23:31):
People who still believe in the system what want to.
Speaker 5 (23:33):
Just need a little bit of a lie that they
can go along with to vote right, Like Kamala was
attempting to kind of give because she didn't announce a
substantive change in policy. Now, her verbiage on Gaza in
this speech was the same as the kind of stuff
that like Obama was saying honestly, like ten years ago.
Speaker 1 (23:51):
Sure, Gary, do you have a quote of what she said?
Speaker 4 (23:54):
Yeah, let's talk about it.
Speaker 1 (23:56):
But first of let's head to our last ad break
real quick.
Speaker 3 (24:07):
All right, let's talk about her closing remarks relating on
foreign policy and Palestine. I guess there's a few other
kind of general foreign policy things, yeah, saying that under
her watch, quote, we will lead the world into the
future on space and artificial intelligence. America, not China, will
win the competition for the twenty first century unquote. She
framed Trump as an ally of Russia and Putin, and
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she claimed that she will help us quote stand strong
with Ukraine and our NATO allies. And then finally, one
of the last things she talked about was Israel Palestine, saying, quote,
President Biden and I are working around the clock. Now
is the time to get a hostage deal done and
a ceasefire deal done. This had a decent sized cheer.
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She followed this up by saying, quote, we will always
stand for Israel's right to defend itself and ensure Israel
has the ability to defend itself.
Speaker 4 (24:58):
Unquote.
Speaker 3 (25:00):
I think this signals mostly to people that it's unlikely
she will adopt anything resembling an arms embargo. And there
was a lot of internal pressure from the uncommitted folks,
people who got into the DNC trying to push on
this topic, specifically because Democrats are now kind of adopted
kind of vague ceasefire rhetoric. Now, the goalpost does need
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to be shifted towards something that will actually stop the
bombing of families inside Gaza, and that is an arms embargo,
some kind of conditions on the way that bombs and
weapons are going to be used. And I think this
line signified that that is probably not going to take
place at least before the election.
Speaker 1 (25:40):
No, definitely not before the election.
Speaker 5 (25:42):
Wait, that's very clear at this point.
Speaker 4 (25:44):
And she kind of both sides this issue.
Speaker 3 (25:46):
Yeah, Her last quote was quote what has happened in
Gaza over the past ten months is devastating. So many
innocent lives lost, desperate, hungry people fleeing for safety over
and over again. The scale of suffering is heartbreaking.
Speaker 5 (26:01):
Whom is making them do this.
Speaker 3 (26:02):
President Biden and I are working to end this war
such that Israel is secure, the hostages are released, the
suffering in Gaza ends, and the Palestinian people can realize
their right to dignity, security, freedom, and self determination unquote.
And this was followed by what I would call the
biggest cheers of the entire night.
Speaker 2 (26:23):
Yeah, I was about I was about to say, the
crowd reaction was massive to.
Speaker 3 (26:27):
That people lost it so much bigger cheers than saying
we will ensure Israel has the ability to defend itself.
This closing line about dignity, security, freedom, and self determination
for the Palestinian people got by far the biggest cheers.
Speaker 4 (26:40):
But like, what does it mean? Like what are you
actually saying?
Speaker 1 (26:42):
It means nothing?
Speaker 5 (26:43):
I mean what all of that means to me is
that like Democrats, because they are normal people, they're not Republicans,
they know how bad all this is.
Speaker 4 (26:53):
They hate it, they are mad at it, and Yahoo,
you only really.
Speaker 5 (26:56):
Need to see a couple of war crime videos to
know that, like what happened is happening over there is ghastly.
They also aren't willing to like nuke their lives and
a lot of other people's lives to let Trump back in, right.
Speaker 3 (27:11):
And I do believe they genuinely view Israel as an
extremely important ally in the Middle East.
Speaker 5 (27:16):
Yeah, and they think that this could be fixed, right
because like we did some awful stuff in Iraq, but
then we elected Bobama and everything got better, right or
something like that. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (27:25):
No, I mean like they don't like Netan Yahoo. The
Badian admin doesn't like that Yahoo because he's not efficient
at war. He's efficient at doing like like an ethnic cleansing,
he's efficient at doing wide civilian casualties, but he's not
good at actually like fighting this war very well. This
is something that like Biden's team has consistently not been
thrilled by, but they're not going to do much about it.
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Kind of the last foreign policy line that she had was, quote,
I will never hesitate to take whatever action is necessary
to defend our forces and our interests against Iran and
Iran backed terrorists, and will not cozy up to irants
and dictators like Kim Jong un who are rooting for
Trump unquote. And I think basically this ties into a
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whole bunch of rhetoric that I've seen throughout the DNC
including from speakers, speakers who are either vets or active military.
That seems to be kind of slowly preparing the Democratic
Party for another war, for some kind of on the
ground activity in the Middle East, whether that be in Lebanon,
whether that be in Iran. It's like they're slowly just
prepping us for the possibility of war or invasion.
Speaker 1 (28:31):
Oh, that does seem likely.
Speaker 3 (28:34):
This is a big part of like the Democratic Party's
official like a policy platform on Palestine, which they did
release during the DNC, and a big part of that
is about is talking about how important Israel is as
a Middle East ally.
Speaker 5 (28:47):
Where will we fly our planes over.
Speaker 3 (28:49):
If they ever need to put troops on the ground.
And I think that is so much of why they're
unwilling to budge on anything resembling like an actual ceasefire
or an arms embargo is because they view this as
like a real possibility. Anyway, that was that was this speech.
The balloons dropped. Everyone lost their minds. Yep, it's not
a cult in the same way.
Speaker 5 (29:09):
But there's there's you can see one building.
Speaker 3 (29:12):
Maybe the party is a cult, but it's not a
Kamala cult the same way the GOP is now a
Trump cult, right, like the Republicans are now a Trump cult.
Speaker 4 (29:19):
It is.
Speaker 3 (29:20):
It is not a cult of like who is the
leader in the DNC, but it is more of a
cult of like ideology, which I guess the Republicans just
don't even have anymore.
Speaker 5 (29:27):
It's not even that it's it's a cult of uh.
I think I would describe it as defensive cult making.
Democrats have been so bewildered and frightened by the momentum
that Trump and his people have had over the last decade,
and they have like responded in part by adapting some
aspects of like the cultic milieu to wrap around these
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ideas that like are are safe to them like that.
That's a big part of the appeal of that don't
go back champ right, which I think is a smart
bit of politics, and I think actually it has the
potential to save quite a bit of lives, particularly at
least of like queer trans people in the United States.
So I'm not saying this is bad politics, but there
is a level of cultiness to that where you are
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kind of enrapturing people with this possibility of constant forward
motion that we all know doesn't feel as true as
it felt in twenties fifteen or fourteen. You know, it
doesn't feel as possible as it felt in twenty twelve
or two thousand and eight, that they're kind of trying
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to sell people on if we can just get over
the hurdle of these Republicans, right, we can get back
to the period where like things felt like we were
all moving in the right direction, and that's magical thinking, Yeah.
Speaker 4 (30:46):
We can get back to a period of steady progress.
Speaker 5 (30:49):
I try to be even about this because as I
wrote that episode, the fucking don't panic episode, because I
was looking at people's talking on Reddit and in Twitter
and just in real life and being like, I think
some folks might kill themselves soon, yeah, out of fear
of the Republicans. So I really hope no one reads
what I'm saying is like, Ah, these stupid libs and
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their hope fetish. It's like no, no, no, But it's
still a cultic belief. It's not rational. It may be
necessary sometimes irrational beliefs are necessary, sure, but there's not
a good reason for it yet. And don't fall too far,
like fall, try not to fall further down that hole.
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Then you need to fall in order to keep yourself
alive for the next eight months.
Speaker 3 (31:36):
So, even though Trump has spoke a lot the past
eight years, his speech at the ERNC, I think was
important because it was the first one post assassination. His
viewership for that speech peaked at twenty eight point four million.
Viewership for Kamala's speech Thursday night peaked at twenty eight
point nine million. So she edged him out barely, at
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least in terms of peak numbers, by about five hundred
thousand views.
Speaker 1 (32:03):
Very even, very even, yeah.
Speaker 4 (32:06):
Very even.
Speaker 3 (32:06):
And again, like Khan was not spoken tons, there's a
lot of people of tuning in to see what she
sounds like, kind of for the first time on a
big national platform. And meanwhile, I think people are just
briefly tuning into Trump just to see what he's like
after getting shot in the head. And I will read
a few of Trump's tweets of well.
Speaker 5 (32:23):
He's not doing well. He's not doing well at all.
Speaker 1 (32:26):
Man, was he spiraling?
Speaker 3 (32:28):
Oh my god, from combless speech he just started by
all caps?
Speaker 4 (32:33):
Is she talking about me?
Speaker 5 (32:35):
Excellent? Incredible stuff. Donald, buddy, I can tell you're slipping
because four years ago you'd tried to tweet that out.
You wouldn't have had to hear it from someone. There
would have been a voice in your own head before
you press sin that would have been like, don't do that, Donnie,
come on, Donnie, come on, come on, You're better than.
Speaker 3 (32:52):
This quote too many thank yous, too rapidly said what's
going on with her? Followed by one minute later in
all caps, where's hunter see again?
Speaker 5 (33:05):
That his prime It would have been something. It would
have been something like loopy hair or shit, some shit.
He would have made some sort of insulting remark about
her personal appearance and ignored the rest of the speech.
Speaker 3 (33:17):
One one minute later, Walls was an assistant coach, not
a coach.
Speaker 5 (33:22):
That's such a weak.
Speaker 2 (33:24):
Very funny, very funny, oh thing.
Speaker 5 (33:29):
Most American men have been on a sports team, and
we all know you just call them all coach.
Speaker 1 (33:35):
Everyone is like coach.
Speaker 5 (33:36):
They're just all coach. You don't say assistant coach. No
player in a football team is everything like, hey, assistant coach,
could you come over here? Like that's just not the
way people are.
Speaker 1 (33:47):
No wow, anything else.
Speaker 3 (33:50):
A few months ago we did an episode talking about
kind of polls that it is now largely outdated because
Biden's no longer in the race, but we did talk
about how most people's pick for president was literally anybody else.
We saw one booth at the DNC protest that was
literally anyone else themed booth, And oh boy, do I
have news for you, buddy, the news. But we do
have some polling data kind of on how satisfied people
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feel based on their choices for this presidential election. Now,
obviously that there's a small post convention bump for Harris,
but that that kind of usually tapers off.
Speaker 4 (34:23):
But in terms of their satisfaction.
Speaker 3 (34:25):
Of the candidacy options, in May, only fifty five percent
of Democrats said they were satisfied. Now seventy nine percent
say they're satisfied. Massive And for Republicans, back in May,
sixty eight were satisfied and now seventy four are satisfied.
So but both are moving towards higher satisfaction. And obviously
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the giant shift in Democrat numbers is is because of
Kamala now and they're more satisfied with her than Republicans
seem to be with Trump, which is which is an
interesting stat and this is based on a New York
Times to see in a College poll of registered vote
in Arizona, Georgia, Nomada, Michigan, Pennsylvania, and Wisconsin. So that's
just a few interesting a few interesting little notes there
(35:08):
as we close out this week talking about the DNC.
And then finally I have one kind of little funny anecdote.
As we were leaving the DNC after Kamala's speech, means
so iph he was walking around this area of Chicago
trying to get far enough away from the convention center
to get newber And I saw this guy maybe in
his like oh so funny, probably in his twenties, who
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was either about to block up or just de blocked.
And you can tell because he's wearing the pants he's wearing.
Speaker 5 (35:37):
Doc martins Garrison is referring to someone who has just
taken off their black block as in the traditional kind
of anarchist protest garb, and put on normal street clothes
so as to escape from a police cordon.
Speaker 4 (35:49):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (35:50):
So this this guy was walking around either about to
go to the protest or just left still had the
Doc martins On had like the backpack full of his stuff.
And as he walked by me, I just almost instinctively,
like without thinking at all, this was this was this
wasn't on purpose, just instinctively, I kind of muttered to myself,
I know what you are and and he heard this
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and like turned around looking kind of like confused or concern,
and I just had to I had to turn around.
I just gave him a smile and a thumbs up,
and he smiled back and kept and kept walking on.
And that was my last interaction at the DNC, just
just a little bit of using to me. There was
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a protest of around similar numbers to Mondays, so maybe
like three thousand, two thousand people for kind of the
last march on the DNC last Thursday. So there was
another one of these big kind of coalition led marches Uly.
Speaker 5 (36:45):
It was not far from Monday's numbers actually, which was
which was impressive.
Speaker 3 (36:49):
Pretty close, pretty close, but they did not reach the
fence on like last time. A small section of them
did not break off from the protest marshals and bypass
a section of the fence on like like Monday, which
did cause significant disruptions, but disruptions were not needed because
the DNC disrupted itself by overbooking the venue and having
way too many people.
Speaker 4 (37:08):
So there you go. That was the DNC I'm really
glad it's over. Me too.
Speaker 5 (37:13):
I'm really glad it's over too, And I can't wait
until twenty twenty eight when we all get to be
together again to cover the next election. If there is.
Speaker 3 (37:24):
One, Comrade AOC proudly takes control. She raises the red
flag on stage.
Speaker 5 (37:31):
Comrade AOC with her vice presidential candidate, the literal bones
of Leon Trotsky running versus just an open chasm to
the pit of Hell, an actual crack in the earth
through which you can see the ephemeral forms of demons
roiling in the magma below. That's gotta be a great
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gotta be a great one. Really excited for those conventions.
Speaker 1 (37:56):
And or Donald Trump Junior.
Speaker 5 (37:59):
Eric Trump and Donald Trump finally the dream team.
Speaker 4 (38:03):
I believe they could open up a chasm to Hell.
I do.
Speaker 5 (38:07):
I think what would be more likely is if Eric
Trump and Donald Trump Junior are on the same team
with a bunch of secret Service agents, that we finally
finally have a presidential election decided from a fentanyl overdose.
They get some tampered coke.
Speaker 1 (38:23):
Anyways, the podcast is over. I'm gonna go dine out.
Speaker 5 (38:26):
Goodbye.
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