August 22, 2024 • 53 mins
Robert and Gare cover a protest at the Israeli Consulate, and Sophie time travels back to 2008 to see Obama.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Cool Zone Media, Kamala Harris and Tim Walls. Little John
didn't mention anything about sweat dripping off his balls.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
He sure did not, And that's the greatest act of
you know, amongst all of the genocide denial, it takes
a lot of cowardice to really stand up in this crowd.
But Little John refusing to talk about sweat dripping down
his balls in the middle of the DNC was a
horrible mistake here.
Speaker 1 (00:29):
I'm sorry. I didn't know he was going to start
that way.
Speaker 2 (00:31):
I knew I was going to start that way. I
think it was in pain. Garrison, do you know the
song we're talking about? What Welcome to What happened here?
Speaker 3 (00:41):
I'm Garrison Davis, annoyed with my bosses, Sophie Lichtman and
Robert Evans.
Speaker 2 (00:46):
Very old, very old. Remember when Lil John was slightly
not He was never really that transgressive. Little John's always
been pretty family friendly. I guess.
Speaker 1 (00:57):
Somebody replied to the video I post of Little John
saying maybe the best lil and you.
Speaker 2 (01:03):
Know, ah, there's I had a soft spot in my
heart for Lil Wayne, not that he was good, but
because he's really funny, Like missus officer. That's that's a
fun song. That's a fun story about pretending he had
sex with a police officer.
Speaker 3 (01:19):
The Democratic National Convention continues inside Chicago, Illinois.
Speaker 2 (01:23):
Lil Wayne not yet present, but maybe night. People say
Swift might show up soon.
Speaker 1 (01:28):
She well, she she had a couple shows and she
could potentially get here by tomorrow.
Speaker 2 (01:34):
Oh okay, that's great, that's great. I was actually about Jonathan Swift.
Oh okay, author of a modest proposal.
Speaker 1 (01:40):
But yeah, but in my heart, I really don't think
she's coming.
Speaker 2 (01:44):
No, why would she? What does she gain from that?
Speaker 1 (01:47):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (01:48):
So Tuesday we spent the day split up, mostly with
me and Robert going to a protest and Sophie entering
the United Center to watch the lib Utopia unveil, complete
with an appearance.
Speaker 4 (02:03):
I'm so happy Lil John I believe is what he's
referred to as.
Speaker 1 (02:07):
Yes, that is that is correct?
Speaker 4 (02:08):
Thank you?
Speaker 2 (02:09):
Yes, just checking as someone currently wearing a mesh shirt.
He is in your line of descendants, like this is
one of your one of your saintedt ancestors.
Speaker 4 (02:17):
I don't know how I feel about that.
Speaker 3 (02:19):
And we will we will get to the Little John
anticks Uh specifically with the State of Georgia, which made
quite a show. Later on in the episode we will
be talking about that, but first we will be talking
about what me and Robert spent a good I don't know,
four hours yesterday doing.
Speaker 2 (02:36):
I was out for closer to eight because I went
out earlier to look at some stuff I went to.
There was a pro Israel Free the Hostages event that
I went to and looked around. Briefly, not a whole
lot to say about it other than some art that
I don't fully know how to think about yet. They
had a massive one of the young women that was
abducted by Hamas that very famously had like blood on
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her grace sweat pants. They had just like a massive
two story tall pair of gray sweatpants covered in blood.
But it wasn't really clear until you got up close
what it was trying to be. So it was just
kind of like it was odd, odd visuals for the event,
I'll say that, but mostly pretty tame. There was maybe
thirty or forty people there, and that was about two
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three blocks down from the plant side of the protest
that you and I went to, which was the Centsure Tower,
which is apparently it's like a mall on the inside
and a metro station and also several floors mini floors
of office space. So I'm guessing that the Israeli Consolate
is a couple of small offices in this big building.
Speaker 3 (03:39):
Yeah, so there was a purchase plan for later this evening.
As me and Sophie were going to get lunch, I saw.
Speaker 2 (03:44):
Like Sophie and I.
Speaker 1 (03:46):
I saw they both just looked at me, deciding who
I was going to give a turney look to.
Speaker 3 (03:51):
I know.
Speaker 2 (03:55):
You were the United Kingdom and me correcting Garrison's grammar,
was the German arm marching into Belgium.
Speaker 3 (04:01):
I saw a whole bunch of police vans driving through
downtown Chicago on the way to the Israeli Consulate. And
we showed up a few hours later for the for
the protest planned that evening. Like usual, we tried to
arrive early and there was a few kind of characters
bumping around the area that a lot of media was
just fascinated by.
Speaker 2 (04:22):
Yeah, the start of it was there was the same
There was had been a Nazi lady out at the
protest the day before as well. She has like bright
purplish hair carried and on the first day, just a
cardboard sign covered in racial slurs, loved shouting the end word. Today,
she had a friend. They unveiled a sign. People confronted them.
Speaker 3 (04:43):
It was like it was like a white genocide, white
like white replacement, great replacement type sign with a URL
to a telegram channel.
Speaker 2 (04:49):
I believe, Yeah, you had a channel. Yeah, I think
she had a friend today.
Speaker 4 (04:54):
Did someone else with her?
Speaker 2 (04:55):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (04:55):
It was shocking news.
Speaker 2 (04:57):
Yeah, I mean they usually have at least one, right, maybe,
and and then uh, I mean kind of the at
one point, sort of while we were all waiting around,
because it was initially just a shitload of press, some
lookie loose from the local area, and a bunch.
Speaker 4 (05:09):
Of cops, well, a bunch of private security, a lot.
Speaker 2 (05:12):
Of private security, mostly for the media. There's a fun
game of spot the concealed handgun, because none of these
guys are very good at concealing their fucking handguns. But
at one point, I'm standing and talking to another media
and I see this like massive circle of cameras fill
up around, and so I'm wondering, Okay, maybe something's happened.
I get over there, and I didn't even think to
like stop myself from you know, using my outside voice.
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I just shouted as soon as I got close, Oh fuck,
it's the MyPillow guy. There's is the least news anything
could possibly be. But for some reason, there was like
maybe like forty cameras. It's just like huddled around this
guy trying to get whatever picture or whatever, letting you talk. Yeah,
a couple of protesters kept engaging him about Gaza, which
(05:57):
I just don't think that there's anything to be gained
from engaging them pillow guy. With the exception of Garrison,
the way you chose to engage the MyPillow.
Speaker 3 (06:04):
Guy, I think there's really only one way to handle this,
and well there's maybe two ways. You can just completely
ignore him, which is probably probably probably the best.
Speaker 4 (06:11):
Ask what I did, because.
Speaker 3 (06:13):
There's there's no reason to engage with this. There's no
reason to give him what he wants. The other option
is just to completely baffle him, just be really confusing.
So I went up and I didn't even ask a question.
I just I just said you said Mike first, which
I left so funny.
Speaker 1 (06:29):
I just want the listeners to know that after a
fourteen hour day yesterday, I get I get back to
the hotel Garrison and Robert have had several drinks in
Garrison is like, did you see my video? Did you
see my video? And what was that video?
Speaker 4 (06:44):
We'll play the audio here. Mike skimbity Biden, skimmity.
Speaker 3 (06:50):
Biden, skimmity Biden, gimty skimmity Biden.
Speaker 4 (06:55):
So no, I was able to get Mike. You know,
we're pretty.
Speaker 3 (07:00):
Let's how you guys talk now, it's around to say
s giveny by, because that's the only way to handle
these guys. It's just like just like just really you're
not even like annoying them, You're just kind of baffling.
Speaker 4 (07:14):
Because all he wants.
Speaker 3 (07:16):
Is attention to take his little piece and trying to
attract whatever media attention, and you just got to kind
of fuck with them.
Speaker 2 (07:22):
And it's it's kind of a good sign that he
did that, because this is not if you think about
where he was in like twenty seventeen, twenty eighteen, him
showing up alone, no visible security escort to just kind
of stand around before a protest and bullshit, is like,
that's a man whose life has fallen apart, like he
has nothing.
Speaker 3 (07:42):
Left, no everything he was saying I'm able to hear
him say at four am on Fox News. Yeah, and
that's that was pretty much the little pre show circus,
and you know, people starting to trickle into the area slowly,
you know, people in Kefia's you know, protesters, medics started
to slowly, slowly enter enter this little like you know,
block radius, and then very very suddenly, from like the
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opposite side of where everyone else was stationed at, we
saw a group of maybe like fifty march in.
Speaker 4 (08:09):
All at the same time.
Speaker 3 (08:10):
Yeah, and this was kind of the start of the
main of the main protests.
Speaker 2 (08:14):
And I would say at that point there were maybe
fifty protesters scattered around within the clumps of media, most
of whom ran over and joined that group. So it
was probably around one hundred or so, maybe as many
as one hundred and fifty.
Speaker 3 (08:25):
And it probably grew to about like two hundred over
the course of the next few hours, although they started
to kind of bleed numbers as well. And I was
I was taking notes on my little personal recorder during
this time, and we put together a little kind of
compilation to hear about what went down, and I'll probably
cut in with some extra narration to kind of fill
in the gaps, so to clarify the audio. You're about
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to hear was recorded over the course of like two
and a half hours. We've cut this down for efficiency
and clarity. So some of the sections you're about to hear,
you know, may have happened a minute or two apart,
but they're just being mushed together to kind of help
the action move along a little bit faster, not including
you know, the sections of the protest where there's ten
minutes of nothing happening. Here's a first hand look at
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what happened during the protest at the Israeli Consulate back
all right, it's just from the it's just past seven.
The behind enemy lines Israeli Consulate protest basically just started.
A whole bunch of people in some form of block
showed up in front of the building, started marching up
the street.
Speaker 4 (09:23):
Very quickly. A three or four.
Speaker 3 (09:26):
Or five layered line of Chicago PD came to block
Clinton Street, so the march could not advance there now
retreating back towards the building, and they might try to
march the other direction. I'm going to be on the
move here, trying to take notes as this progresses. A
central tower is kind of a tricky spot for this
sort of protest. Although it does house the Israeli Consulate.
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From the outside, there's no obvious indicators that this building
is linked to the Israeli government, and it's about two
miles away from the DNC, so this is gonna be
very little impact on DNC attendees. All the way over
here in the West Loop area of Chicago. Chicago, ped
is set up across the other street as well, walking
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both ways in essentially kettling this entire protest. There's a
loud speaker, people are talking in front of the building.
Speaker 2 (10:20):
The purple haired.
Speaker 3 (10:21):
Wig lady from before has moved her Nazi banner closer
to this core of protesters right in front of the
entrance of the building housing the Israeli Consulate. All right,
some of the protesters just announced that they have a
couple of speakers that are going to talk in.
Speaker 4 (10:36):
Front of the Israeli Constant building. As people are now.
Speaker 3 (10:38):
Sandwiched in between two streets right in front of the entrance.
Speeches discussed the genocide in Gaza and the US arms
Deeels sending weapons and bombs to Israel as part of
continuing US imperialism. As the speech is carried on, more
and more police began to arrive. All right, it is
seven pm, About nine or so white vans just showed
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up with tons of chicaga pad and ryagear, helmets, gas masks,
now thicker sleeves, not just the blue button ups that the.
Speaker 4 (11:08):
Regular cops wear.
Speaker 3 (11:11):
All right, we're gonna run into a line of police.
People have banners, bring the war home, shut down the
DNC for Gaza Palestine flags. As they are marching towards
a massive line of riot cops. There's too much media
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in the way.
Speaker 4 (11:34):
And a clash has started. Pushing up against lines.
Speaker 3 (11:42):
Police pulling apart the signs and banners. Sounds familiar, I
bet to anyone who was at twenty twenty. The first
clash lasted about a minute, as protesters tried to march
forwards into the street and police pushed them back. I
was off to the side, but the sheer of mount
of cameras and media in the middle of this scuffle
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prevented either side from gaining or losing much ground. All right,
there was kind of a little bit of a back
and forth. The protest line got pushed back slightly, but
still in the middle of Clinton Street. Protesters telling the
press to get out of the way as many press
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are in between. As press moved slowly out of the way,
police were able to successfully push the protest.
Speaker 4 (12:31):
Back Chicago pedis I mean redirecting some of their push
towards the south. Now looks like some of the protesters
are trying to move onto.
Speaker 3 (12:44):
The sidewalk to get out of this massive, massive sandwich
of police, and there's maybe three or four cops trying
to prevent them from moving on the sidewalk. Here.
Speaker 4 (12:53):
We'll see if they get pasted.
Speaker 3 (12:56):
Police have tacklics and people. Police are going in for
a lot of arrests. It's very combative. Police with batons
out attacking people, hitt him on the ground, tackling them.
Police preventing all forward's movement on the sidewalk as well,
not just the street.
Speaker 4 (13:20):
People are people are trying to get out and police are.
Speaker 3 (13:23):
Police are really trying to trap them.
Speaker 4 (13:30):
Police are squashing. We can't we can't move dude, we
can't move back.
Speaker 2 (13:38):
We can't, we can't move back.
Speaker 4 (13:43):
Police are telling people to move back into nothing. They
have us trapped by this building.
Speaker 3 (13:51):
Eventually, police realize that they cannot push all fifty people
into a flat wall and eased off, directing people back
in front of the consulate. Police is pushing us into
a very tiny corner. A small line of police is
separating two crowds, mostly on the sidewalk.
Speaker 4 (14:10):
All right, they're pushing us back towards the building.
Speaker 3 (14:14):
Action now paused for a few minutes as both sides
figured out their next move. Protesters chanted for the release
of detained comrades.
Speaker 4 (14:29):
All right.
Speaker 3 (14:30):
Some of the crowd is trying to regroup as police
continue to push people off.
Speaker 4 (14:33):
Of the sidewalk and back into the street.
Speaker 3 (14:36):
I guess the crowd has kind of been split now
into four sections, police keeping them separate, not letting them reconvene.
The section from the building, there's a section on the corner,
the section behind the police line, and there's a section
close to where people tried to march that it has
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now been cut off from the rest of the crowd,
So we have these kind of four groups. A smaller
group is reforming in the street in front of the building.
This is kind of the section that got trapped by
the building as the rest of the march tried to
move forward, and some of the people from the side
have linked up with them as well, but still mostly
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kind of four sections separated up by police. People channing
to get back in the street. We have little squads
or AG's linking up with their mates again, linking arms,
holding hands, kind of regrouping.
Speaker 4 (15:35):
Right now, Chicago p D is kind of doing the same.
Speaker 3 (15:37):
They're reforming their line, going back more into the middle
of the street. If they did get any detainments or arrests,
probably sorting those out right now as they decide what
to do next. During this loll period, I was able
to hear a decent amount of police comms chatter coming
from their walkie talkies as the police decided on.
Speaker 4 (15:56):
Their next move.
Speaker 3 (15:58):
All right, I just heard on police comms that they're
going to be asking for media to leave. Interesting, Yeah,
they are calling for transport vands. So if they're gonna
start doing arrests, they might try to get media to
leave first then really move in. It sounds like to
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me on the comms they're calling out specific people to
do targeted arrests. On the comms, they're calling out specific outfits,
specific what people are wearing, what people are holding, to
move in and do targeted arrests on the crowd. Some
of the descriptions are very general like black hoodie, red hat,
that kind of stuff. I really did not want to
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get a face full of mace, So as soon as
I saw police carrying mace cans, I perhaps a bit
prematurely decided to don my full face gas mask, which
I then took off like ten minutes later as it
became clear that we weren't in immediate danger of amazing, Well,
I don't think I'm gonna see Barack Obama today. There's
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been enough of a cause that the anticipation keep from growing.
Does everyone knows what's about to happen. We're just waiting
for it to happen, all right.
Speaker 4 (17:11):
The fast time protesters that in front of the building
are not moving towards the Israeli.
Speaker 3 (17:16):
Counter protesters on the other side. As things started to
heap back up, some folks in the crowd opted to
exit the area via a small EVAC route on the
northwest corner of the street. Considering the talk of targeted
arrests on the police scanner, police may have been eyeing
up certain people in the crowd who then got the
hint about what's about to go down next.
Speaker 2 (17:39):
You see that doesn't block just bounced?
Speaker 3 (17:43):
Yeah, No, I think they could spot that they were
about to get targeted for arrests. Be guys, they were
being followed up by some of some of the sergeants
because I honestly.
Speaker 2 (17:54):
I can't name any law breaking other than quote unquote shoving.
Speaker 5 (17:57):
With the path.
Speaker 4 (17:57):
Sure, but I mean, you know they can get you
on some The.
Speaker 3 (18:01):
Protest did not stay still for too long, and a
little less than hour since the last big confrontation, the
crowd once again attempted to march. All right, it is
nearly eight twenty. The crowd that remained in front of
these early consolt building is now moving up again towards
Clinton Street to re engage the confrontation that happened nearly
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an hour ago. Look, there's less cameras in between the
two factions, but not no cameras. The crowd of protesters
is still approaching, and they're turning.
Speaker 4 (18:35):
They're turning. They turned down Clinton Street.
Speaker 3 (18:38):
This is the movement they tried to make before, but
police prevented them from doing so. And now they're so
far able to exit. The section of the protest that
was still facing down the riot line split up into
two smaller groups and then made this same movement down
the sidewalk away from the police. The people that were
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traveling down the sidewalk and Clinton have now reformed on
Moreau Street and they are now marching. The police are
now caught behind the protesters in the march, but sure
enough police quickly arrive to contain the mobile protest. All right,
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bike cops have beat most of the crowd to the intersection,
but they're still slowly arriving. The intersection up here is
a T shape, so only two directions to go.
Speaker 4 (19:31):
Please are going to try to get them to take
a right. It looks like.
Speaker 3 (19:36):
Yep, all right, more please catch it up. I'm gonna say.
You can hear bike cops coming in from both sides. Well,
this is quite the pickle. Unfortunately, because of the T
shape of this intersection, this is now a little bit
of a tighter pinch. They can still get out via
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one path on the side of but they might prefer
a confrontation with some of these police.
Speaker 4 (20:04):
We'll see.
Speaker 3 (20:05):
The march paused at this T shaped intersection for a
few minutes as they decided their next move. All right,
the crowd is standing in front of this very thin
lineup bike cops. The police not not very thick because
they had to move kind of impromptu to adjust to
the movements of the crowd. Small groups of the protests
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keep peeling off. They're slowly bleeding numbers, people chanting let
us through as the police yelled to move back. Police
have the remaining crowd in a pretty tight squeeze the moment.
Speaker 4 (20:43):
Smaller groups keep.
Speaker 3 (20:44):
Peeling off, but now the remaining march is moving forward
as the bike cops slowly back up. Looks like most
of the crowd has been moving onto the sidewalk to
move down the street.
Speaker 4 (20:58):
They don't really have many more move to make.
Speaker 3 (21:01):
There's just a saturation of police in this area that
the cops can adapt to any movement this shrinking crowd makes.
Speaker 4 (21:11):
Police are piling into the sidewalk. Police are making arrests.
Speaker 3 (21:17):
Police are doing targeted arrests. They're grabbing people on the sidewalk.
Farm numbers of arrests are being made. There's at least
at least five from where I'm standing. Police ordering media
out of the way. The protesters are now moving back
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on the sidewalk, backtracking.
Speaker 4 (21:45):
Away from the police.
Speaker 3 (21:47):
The remaining crowd attempted to move away from the police
who were making arrests on the sidewalk, but the only
way left to move was back where they just came from.
Speaker 4 (21:56):
People are linking up with their AG's.
Speaker 3 (21:59):
Arm in arm, trying to move through this very, very
tricky environment.
Speaker 4 (22:05):
Right now. There's so everywhere we go, I see.
Speaker 3 (22:08):
A new battalion of cops. People really just have nowhere
to go. There's just police everywhere. We're just at this
point moving in circles, but not like the regular march circles,
just on the sidewalk, going back and forth, backtracking, looping around.
Speaker 4 (22:26):
They're trying to find somewhere just to get out of
this area.
Speaker 3 (22:29):
Mostly out of options on where to go, the protest
entered a small patio terrace on the corner of the street.
Protesters are now getting into the terrace of this building
at five point twenty five West Monroe. That's probably not
going to end great at this point. Police have the
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remaining much smaller crowd maybe fifty, squeezed in in this
little building terrace corner. They are not letting any protesters leave.
A shoving match just started. Police are moving in and
they're tackling, pushing people on the ground. It's almost nine pm.
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Police have one arrest now They just drag someone out
by their hair from the crowd that is currently just
completely kettled. For the first time tonight, they're providing no
evacuation ruts for protesters. They are trapped on this street corner,
completely surrounded, not letting anyone leave. Eventually, a small hole
opened up, letting a few protesters leave this kettled patio.
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Robert was able to exit with this group, but many
people were not able to make it through, and this
little patio was where a number of arrests were able
to take place as others slowly dispersed throughout the West
Loop neighborhood of Chicago. According to NBC, the police superintendent
Larry Sneeling, which is kind of a great name for
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a cop, praised his officers for quote unquote showing restraint
when no one else did, saying that they quote did
an excellent job responding to violence and vandalism. He made
a similar comment on Wednesday, saying that the protest quote
showed up with the intention of committing acts of violence
and vandalism unquote. Now, there was no vandalism that was
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actually committed during this protest. That did not happen. I'm
not sure how the superintendent was able to infer the
intention of this protest exactly as no vandalism took place
and the only violence that happened was when police started
pushing people who were trying to march forwards in the street.
Speaker 2 (24:39):
Wow, Garrison, that was a gripping story that we're going
to talk about.
Speaker 3 (24:43):
After these services, services, products, okay, products and services.
Speaker 2 (24:49):
Yeah, well maybe we can't know. It's impossible to say
we're back, so I don't know. I guess we should
probably just kind of give some final thoughts on how
we felt about this protest. My overwhelming impression, and I
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really am not saying this to try to be mean,
is that the crowd came with a lot of rhetoric
about this is the protest that matters, We are going
to shut down the DNC, we are going to throw
our bodies upon the machinery of empire. And then after
the first couple of hand to hand clashes with the police,
which were mostly just kind of shoving, people just wanted
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to get home, they wanted to leave, and most of
the night was us following people attempting to get home
and disperse and not being allowed to buy the police
every time they would like do a big push in
where they're all shouting move in unison. They're telling you
to go back, They're telling you to do this or
you'll get arrested. And there's always you're always surrounded on
every side by cops and you know, sometimes by gaggles
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of media. But like it was impossible to comply. I
can't say that I saw any law breaking really, aside
from assuming the cops called an unlawful assembly, which I
did not hear. I don't know how you would have
heard in most of the product protests, but assuming they did,
as that's the law breaker.
Speaker 3 (26:12):
Yeah, there was no like property damage, there was no
there was no no real light activity. Yeah, you know,
people people tried to march and police prevented them with
their bodies. Yep, and you know there's a confrontation that ensues,
like at that point where where the two groups meet.
But besides that, it was it was it was people
trying to march and the cops that prevented them from
doing so.
Speaker 2 (26:32):
And it was a lot. I got stuck at one
point with a group of twenty or so people, a
handful of protesters, couple of media, and then maybe a
dozen or more like I think they were locals. I
guess it's possible they were tourists, but people who had
just seen the march going down the street and thought
that they might follow along and watch for a little
And then the cops moved in so fast. We all
got walled off in the courtyard of a hotel that
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didn't actually have street access, but it wasn't clear that
it didn't, and the police repeated said they were going
to arrest all of us. I had like a discussion
with one about my credentials because he was like, those
are press credential. Eventually they got a cop who could read,
but another journalists got arrested. I think there were at
least four arrested.
Speaker 4 (27:13):
E mean, at least four journalists were arrest at least.
Speaker 2 (27:15):
Four journalists were arrested. Yeah, because after I got out,
they let most of the people in our kettle out,
but they pulled one guy with a helmet that said
press on it out of the kettle. I think his
name was Josh Pacheco. I believe it was Josh that
I was filming. Josh was definitely arrested, and he is
going to be raising money because his camera was broken.
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They tossed his linen like cameras lens first onto the ground.
It did significant damage. If you want to find Josh's
info online at jp Underscore OTG you can find his information.
I'm sure he'll be doing a fundraiser at some point.
Speaker 3 (27:51):
And obviously there were many more protesters arrested. The actual
final number is kind of up in the air. Police
that are saying that twenty two people at least were
arrested and is saying it's closer to admit.
Speaker 2 (28:02):
Being the National Lawyer's Guild, they show up at protests
to protect people's rights, primarily in the event of arrest.
Speaker 3 (28:07):
Yeah, so there's kind of some confusion here on how
many people were actually arrested. I'll try to get confirmations
and i'll add that in later tonight. I'll also look
for a bail fund, yeah, to donate as well, because
it is always unfortunate when journalists are arrested, but yeah,
it's equally as unfortunate when people who are protesting, especially
for a cause like this, get arrested as well. Like
this is I think something that it's worth stating.
Speaker 2 (28:29):
Especially since again I can't say anything anyone did to
precipitate arrest. It's not even like they were closing down streets,
because the police had closed down every street they were
on before they showed up. I think the police very
clearly were under orders to keep things peaceful as long
as possible, largely because they didn't want the DNC and
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the city government didn't want the embarrassment of anything really ugly.
So there were no weapons used. There's no mace used.
I didn't even really see the sticks used much.
Speaker 4 (28:59):
They were mostly used like push.
Speaker 3 (29:00):
There was very little in terms of like like like
overhand hitting.
Speaker 2 (29:03):
But they didn't need any of that stuff because there
was no point at which they had less than a
two to one numerical advantage, usually more like three or four.
Speaker 3 (29:11):
And the people that were organizing this protest in the
in the days prior were like announcing part of their
intention was to specifically get beat up by police and
like beat up badly and have this like generate news coverage,
have this you know, this slight Stare organization as well, Yeah,
invoking Chicago nineteen sixty eight, and police largely like denied
them that option. And you know, many of the participants
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also opteds to to not continue, you know, in an
hour's long physical confrontation with police and instead opted to
try to move around them, try to evade them, instead
of trying to you know, push through police lines. You know,
there was a few points where the police lines that
were blocking the street was very sin after people started
to move move around the this kind of area, around
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around the consulate building, and then you know, other times
the police lines were very thick, but consistently people opted
to not continue a long physical engagement with police.
Speaker 2 (30:04):
Yeah, it was a discretion is the better part of
valor kind of night, and I think that's the point
at which the police decided we are going to arrest people.
There was a degree to which it felt like they
were just kind of like trying out tactics. A lot
of what they were doing was splitting up the crowd
then doing targeted arrests and kind of separating, calving off
chunks of it. I don't know. The whole thing I
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kind of couldn't stop myself from being drawn back to
the whole time is like, what is the actual utility
of this really? Because it didn't get attention, not much.
You know, there's some news coverage and stuff, but it's
not a Chicago sixty eight moment. I don't think this
is going to move any needle for anybody, and obviously
that's the goal, right, is to have some kind of
an impact. I mean everyone was saying, like the stated
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goal at all of these protests shut down the DNC,
and the only time that kind of happened was at
the less radical protest police protests yesterday, right, and largely
kind of by accident. I don't know like that. I'm
not trying to be like down on anyone. It just
is one of those what when you're seeing the sheer
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weight of police and the numbers of protesters being generated
is one hundred or two hundred, it just feels like
you're asking people to get fucked up and damage their
lives in a situation in which that's unlikely to actually
lead to any of the things they want to see.
Speaker 4 (31:27):
Hey, this is gare cutting in again.
Speaker 3 (31:29):
The exact number of arrests is still a little bit unclear,
but we have a clearer idea than what we did
a few hours ago. The official number as of Wednesday
evening is that fifty six people were arrested. I'm going
to quote from the AP quote thirty of the people
detained by police were issued citations for disorderly conduct. According
to Chicago Police, one person was arrested on a felony
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charge of resisting police, while nine were charged with misdemeanors
including disorderly conduct, resisting officers, battery, assault, and criminal damage
to property. Police said, unquote for the record, neither myself
nor Robert witnessed any criminal damage to property.
Speaker 2 (32:09):
I guess to kind of conclude a protest that's going
to actually like move the Needler change. Anything has to
overwhelm like the capacity of the state system to deal
with it. It has to be something that the state
is not. We saw this in twenty twenty right like
just over I'm just talking about Portland, just like overall,
the George Floyd up rising was beyond what the state
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was prepared to handle for at least a sizeable chunk,
especially of the early days. It like overwhelmed the capacity
of the resources the state had to respond adequately. The state,
at least everything I've seen so far at the DNC
has been perfectly prepared for everything that people brought to bear.
And that's really the summary I've gotten.
Speaker 3 (32:51):
We're going to go on a quick break and then
be back to hear from Sovie about the Obama festival
inside the Democratic National Convention. All right, we are back
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and as as this protest was happening in this area
around like I think it's called the West Loop, Sophie
was inside the d n C and there was also
people similar to the first day of the DNC who
who snuck in like banners into the DNC and unfurled
them like pro Palestine disarming as royal banners. I believe
the banner from last night just read free Palestine and Sophie.
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What was it like in there exactly? Was it easier
to get into than the than the day previous.
Speaker 1 (33:40):
Well, it was more, it was it was it was
is what I'll say. It wasn't as organized as the
R and C, but it was. It was better than
the day prior. That's a win is a win at
this point. But yeah, the energy was electric, as once
I heard multiple people say throughout the night in the
unass press area that I was in.
Speaker 3 (34:03):
It felt like, at least from watching online afterwards, it
gave really big, like two thousand and eight energy.
Speaker 1 (34:09):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (34:09):
Yeah, And obviously you know, Michelle Obama Barack Obama are
both speaking, so that that kind of carries with it
a little bit, but even just like the general vibe
just felt it felt very two thousand and eight, like
that style of like two thousand and eight optimism.
Speaker 1 (34:22):
Yeah, yeah, I would agree with that. I've been asked
a lot like what the energy is compared to the
rn C, and like the RNC was more like a
WWE event and this was more like a you know,
B level pop star concert, sure where everyone was very
excited to be there, where I only knew a couple
of the songs.
Speaker 4 (34:43):
Sure was.
Speaker 1 (34:45):
That was the general vibe. But the main speed section
of the event started off with Center Majority leader Chuck Schumer.
Speaker 4 (34:54):
And I watched his speech. It was not very good.
Speaker 1 (34:56):
He came out and and was what some would describe
as dancing on stage.
Speaker 4 (35:01):
He was quesetable. His speech was very like robotic. Yeah
it was. He was not good.
Speaker 2 (35:06):
Well, he's the head of the dim Crypto Caucus, so
like he's part robot.
Speaker 1 (35:10):
But it was like people were not super into him.
He was whatever. But then Bertie Sanders came up and
I was actually surprised at the crowd was as into
him as they.
Speaker 4 (35:21):
Were, but not super into No, no, no, oh.
Speaker 1 (35:23):
Don't get me wrong with nothing like nothing like the
Obama's later and then.
Speaker 4 (35:28):
Nothing even like AOC. It seems no, they.
Speaker 1 (35:30):
Definitely loved AOC a lot more than Bernie. I enjoyed
his speech.
Speaker 3 (35:34):
Yeah, he gave like one of the more like economically
sound speeches talking about actual issues facing working people.
Speaker 1 (35:40):
Correct. I would say, you know, a lot of the
other journalists around me were talking during that time. They
were not thoroughly paying attention to him, which was interesting
to know.
Speaker 3 (35:49):
It was the same speech that he's been giving since
twenty sixteen. Essentially, I feel like, fortunately, the economic situation
in the States has not changed all that much.
Speaker 1 (35:57):
I feel like Bertie Sands has been giving the stay
of speech his entire career.
Speaker 3 (36:00):
Sure, Yeah, and like the same stuff he was calling
for back then, with the with the one percent and
the billionaire class and healthcare and all these things that
are still real issues, and in some ways I feel
like they were more talked about back in like, you know,
twenty seventeen, and the fact that they aren't just talked
about now is maybe, you know, to some degree, like
a failing. But no, he gave the speech that he
was expected to make, and yeah.
Speaker 1 (36:20):
He called for an end to his words horrific war
in Gaza and called for a ceasefire. One of the
few this entire week that we've heard actually say that.
AFC said it yesterday.
Speaker 3 (36:32):
Well, and an AOC's specific line was crediting Harris for
working around the clock to make a ceasfire deal was
specifically like the phrasing that AOC used.
Speaker 2 (36:42):
Yeah, I don't buy that, super well.
Speaker 4 (36:44):
No, well, I'm not afraid to admit is that.
Speaker 3 (36:47):
Because I was at the protest, I had the intention
of just watching all the speeches in my hotel afterwards,
and I got up to my room, I turned on CNN.
They were replaying the whole night, and after Bernie's speech,
I completely fell asleep. And then and then I woke
up at eight am. CN was still on my television.
Speaker 4 (37:04):
That is so cursed. I turned it off and I
went back to Staarson.
Speaker 2 (37:07):
You had some nightmares on spooling.
Speaker 3 (37:11):
I don't know what was being subjected to my sleeping body.
Speaker 2 (37:14):
You're never recovering from this.
Speaker 1 (37:16):
After Bertie, you know, i'd say, the only other person
until we get to the second gentleman, Doug m Hoff
and then the Obama's later that I was, you know,
the governor of Illinois, Pritzker.
Speaker 2 (37:25):
Pritzker.
Speaker 1 (37:26):
He he just was very very well received, obviously by
by the crowd, as we are.
Speaker 4 (37:32):
One of the democrats favorite and one of their favorite boys.
Speaker 2 (37:35):
Early on, a favorite for the VP slot. Yeah, he's very.
Speaker 1 (37:38):
Good at attacking Trump and his speeches. He said Trump
is only rich in one thing, stupidity, and the crowd
went fair.
Speaker 3 (37:44):
Yeah, he was definitely the most like a mean out
of many of the speech gis.
Speaker 2 (37:49):
I would say though, like last night was the roasting nights.
Speaker 1 (37:52):
Last night was the roasting Okay, for sure they did.
Speaker 2 (37:55):
Bamba made a dick joke.
Speaker 1 (37:56):
Obama made a dick John. We'll get to We'll get
to that. But yeah, so just like visually, they have
like those light up things that you have at concerts.
Speaker 4 (38:03):
Yeah, you know I do.
Speaker 1 (38:05):
Before I get into taking this back into time to
two thousand and eight, talk a little bit about the
role call sure.
Speaker 3 (38:11):
Sure, And this is where they formerly like ceremonially nominate
Harris and Walls to be the president and vice presidential nominees.
Speaker 1 (38:19):
Correct, And let's just say it was a little bit
different than the RNC. At the RNC, you have speaker
Johnson just telling the delegates that we need to keep
order and there's a proper way to do things. And
then you had people from each state come up and
make speeches like this.
Speaker 5 (38:38):
Fighting for liberty since sixteen seventy where the revolutionary and
all was one. We're in twenty sixteen. Donald Trump won
his first primary victory ever. Let's ring in the Trump
Carol of American histories, the great State of South Carolina,
Crown cares all fifty of its fops.
Speaker 2 (39:01):
Okay, come on.
Speaker 1 (39:04):
And on the flip side at the DNC, and I
had several friends that were watching on TV say it
was translating very well on TV.
Speaker 4 (39:11):
It was.
Speaker 1 (39:11):
It was a little bit more chaotic in person, and
certain states didn't match the same energy. But each state
had had a song. There was a whole playlist thing
and that is now going around and the energy was
of a I would say Teen Choice Awards is brand.
It was a Teen Choice Awards vibe with Garrison. The
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state of Georgia doing this.
Speaker 3 (40:07):
Wow, So that's very cool, Sophie.
Speaker 1 (40:09):
I will say the state of Oregon did not.
Speaker 4 (40:14):
Well, No, that's because organ is allergic to fun.
Speaker 1 (40:16):
Oregan in Wisconsin. Boy, howdy, did they not bring the
good vibes.
Speaker 3 (40:21):
Well, that's because all you can do in Wisconsin is drink,
and all in organ you can do is smoke weed.
Speaker 4 (40:24):
So there you go.
Speaker 1 (40:26):
After the roll call, they cut to VP Harris and
Governor Tim Walls streaming live from Milwaukee.
Speaker 3 (40:34):
The Pfizer Forum, where we all suffered through last month.
Speaker 1 (40:39):
Yes, that was where the RNC was held last month,
to be like, look at us, Donald.
Speaker 4 (40:44):
We're able to fill both venues at the same time.
Speaker 1 (40:47):
We are so hip and cool and of course the
crowd lost their minds.
Speaker 4 (40:52):
Ate it up.
Speaker 1 (40:53):
They love they love so.
Speaker 2 (40:56):
Pretty good. Burn it's it's.
Speaker 3 (40:57):
It's not a bad is this was You're getting kind
of a glimpse. Ever since, like the Republicans are weird stuff,
they've been realizing that it's actually really useful to be
kind of mean in politics. Yeah, for so long this
party has been like linked to when they go low,
we go high. You know, we're gonna we're gonna make
a compromise, We're gonna gona We're going to reach across
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the aisle.
Speaker 1 (41:20):
Yeah, I mean last night it was not they go low,
we go high. It was definitely they go low, we
also go low, and you know that was interesting to
observe because the crowd loved it.
Speaker 4 (41:33):
It plays very well.
Speaker 1 (41:34):
It plays very well. Before the Obamas, we got a
speech from the second Gentleman, which is very fun to say,
Kabla Harris's husband, Doug. Doug, I like that.
Speaker 4 (41:45):
Let's let's keep trying that again.
Speaker 2 (41:46):
You can't.
Speaker 1 (41:52):
But they introed him with a video from his son
and it was very TV movie of the Week, heartwarming.
And then he came out on stage and introduced his
dad and there was hugging La La Lah and the
crowd was allowed, as it did Ben that night, and
I was like, wow, I love families, but I was like, wow,
the crowd is so loud. And then like ten minutes later,
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Michelle Obama came out and I was like, the crowd
was very quiet for Doug and Poff. In comparison, she
is by far the most popular Democrat in the world.
Speaker 2 (42:23):
There is an Obama derangement syndrome. It ignites something in
millennials and.
Speaker 4 (42:29):
Makes them really love the Obama.
Speaker 2 (42:30):
They really love their mamas, lose their minds.
Speaker 1 (42:33):
Doug's speech primarily focused on painting a picture of his
wife as a family, family woman, and talking about how
great she is with their with their kids. He has
two kids from his first marriage and they call her
Mama La.
Speaker 2 (42:49):
But she's not a real mom, you know, Robert Roberts. Look,
I've been listening to a lot of Matt. This is
a real scandal. They're not her born children. You know,
you can't adopt kids.
Speaker 3 (43:00):
You gotta stop listening to Matt Walsh podcasts when you're
doing your workout.
Speaker 2 (43:04):
I do love that the right has entirely chosen the
line of attack on Kamala to be that like.
Speaker 4 (43:09):
She's a fake mom.
Speaker 2 (43:10):
She's a fake mom. She raised Pamala.
Speaker 4 (43:14):
No, because we're quoting Matt Wall.
Speaker 2 (43:15):
Oh okay, that's how he says.
Speaker 1 (43:19):
That's absolutely by the way, Matt Walsh was like in
a disguise.
Speaker 2 (43:22):
Also, they're all in disguise walking around the.
Speaker 1 (43:24):
DNC doing something that doesn't matter.
Speaker 3 (43:26):
See that Matt Wall showed up in his like what
is a woman liberal disguise with the with the little
pony tails, Dude, Harry, I showed up.
Speaker 4 (43:36):
I showed up kind of it.
Speaker 3 (43:37):
Well, my disguise just being a regular black suit, which
I also wear regularly all the time. I'm pretty sure
whals she was trying to get some extra clips for
his new like how racism Isn't real documentary that they're
playing ads for in theaters in front of like queer
and trans movies, like specifically to like fuck with people.
So I'm pretty sure they're they're here collecting some kind
of some kind of some kind of foot for that
(43:57):
because he had a little love mic attached to his
attached to his lapel, so he's doing some kind of hijinks.
Speaker 2 (44:03):
But Yeah, it's interesting to me how much of the
attacks on Kamala right now are focused on her family
not being a real family. It strikes me as kind
of a sign of desperation because I'm not saying it
get any traction. It's the same as like the tim
Wall stuff, where it's like nothing sticking that they're trying
right now, And I think they've just gotten so far
(44:24):
into their own fever swamps that they have completely forgotten
how to connect with a hit, which is an interesting
place for the Republicans to be because that's all they have.
Speaker 1 (44:33):
Yeah, Duck, read the teleprompter. It's fun being able to
see the teleprompter because you can see where they have
bolded words or underlied words or capitalized words, and any
bold or capitalized word. He really went for it, and
I personally thought that was funny to observe. But the
crab liked him, and I was like, wow, they really
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like Doug m Hoff. Wow. And then I was like, no,
that's not who they actually like, because then Michelle Obama
came out and the crowd standing ovations. I can't even
tell you it was louder than like I've seen Beyonce concert,
same exact amount of loudness, but yeah, it was just
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very two thousand and eight, very twenty twelve. Her speech
was incredible.
Speaker 4 (45:21):
What did she actually talk about?
Speaker 1 (45:23):
Nothing, but it was incredible, is what I'm saying. She
just basically talked about how important it is to do
things without saying anything. She was able to resonate with
every single person in the crowd. Every single person in
the crowd was just enamored.
Speaker 2 (45:40):
What it's been so many bad months in a row
of news and just getting constantly beat down in every
news cycle and war and genocide overseas, and a lot
of people. As soon as Biden stepped down, it was
like a rubber band breaking and everyone just went from
what this was host did not happen as a convention.
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They were serious efforts by the DNC when Biden was
still a candidate to like, we don't even need to
do a real convention because like, what is the benefit
of sticking him in front of people for longer? And
they broke a pinata full of party energy and that's
that's what this has all been inside and honestly not
a lot of energy outside in the streets, you know,
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energy from the people who were there. But like, I
think there would have been much larger crowds if Biden
had stayed.
Speaker 1 (46:29):
I one hundred percent agree with you. You know, Michelle
Obama brought back, you know, one of the key things
from two thousand and eight, Hope. She said, Hope is
making it come back, and the crowd lost it.
Speaker 4 (46:42):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (46:43):
I think that's really part of what made last night
have so much of that two thousand and eight energy
beyond you know, like all of like all of like
the pop songs beyond like the Obamas. It's like this
this messaging of like there's actually there's actually like a
good future to look towards, like hope, you know, that's.
Speaker 1 (46:56):
As long as we defeat Donald Trump. Sure, Hope is
available was the mean theme of the night, and then
she introduced President Obama. He came out, hammed it up,
told his little jokes. He was so excited. You could
tell he was like so excited to be able to
tell his material to that larger crowd. He was like
very excited to be up there. We got yes we
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can chance, then later yes she can chance. At one
point the crowd started chanting thank you Joe, as they
do when Joe Biden was referenced, and he directly said
that the torch has been passed. There we go, and
that is generally the summary of the night. Lib Topia,
as I'm calling the DNC was very excited.
Speaker 3 (47:42):
Yeah that sounds thrilling. It's really making me optimistic about
the future.
Speaker 2 (47:46):
Yeah, I mean I am more optimistic of the future
than I was. But also what I do foresee from
this is that we are heading into a future assuming
the dims win, especially if they win by a sizable margin,
where they get meaner to everyone. The thing they learned
from Trump is you should call people names and be shit.
And you know that'll get turned on the left because
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the left it already has, Yeah, as it already has.
But also the left is going to continue not having
much of an impact on the broader situation until people
have any sort of ability to actually get folks out
and have a clear understand like a clear plan for
something to do that the system cannot easily easily contain
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and withstand right like little marches and demonstrations. Not only
is the police prepared for them, but the Democratic Party,
I think is increasingly prepared for how you isolate and
sort of deflect attention from that sort of thing, like
a lot of what we've seen on the floor at
the DNC with the Yeah, we'll have Bernie come up
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and he'll talk about a ceasefire. We'll have AOC have
or ceasefire like Joe, we'll say that the protesters have
a point. You should listen to them now, not going
to He's not going to draw any other attention if
you were to like come down an attack or you know,
the protesters for you know, whatever bad piece of messaging
or something happened outside that actually does draw some attention,
you know, Like the DIMS have not just been smart
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in what they've signaled, but in how they've made sure
that that really hasn't become part of the story of
the DNC and heading into this that was a huge
fear a lot of people had, and a huge expectation
a lot of people had. It was part of the
planning that a lot of the protests that came in
with that we are going to disrupt and damage this
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kind of coronation process in order to make it very
clear that the Democratic Party has not made any meaningful
movement on Gaza. And I think what we've seen here
is the start of a replicable strategy that, unless there's
an alteration in how people are organizing, is going to
allow the DIMS to continue to sideline radical voices pushing
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for things that matter.
Speaker 3 (49:57):
Yeah, and I think one trend that we're going to
see continuing, especially if someone like Kamala wins, I'm starting
to see a growing kind of reclamation of liberal patriotism.
Speaker 1 (50:09):
Yes, there were USA signs last.
Speaker 3 (50:12):
Night and USA chance and I think this will be
something I'll proably talk a little bit more tomorrow or
the next day after, like Kamala's like big speech, and if.
Speaker 4 (50:21):
They do win, I think this.
Speaker 3 (50:22):
I think there actually is a decent bit of like
two thousand and eight energy and like, yes, people are excited.
There's the quote unquote vibe shift. But things didn't go
great after Obama was elected. Famously, like everything just kind
of yeah, like the hope was mostly unfounded, like a.
Speaker 1 (50:37):
Lot of war crimes.
Speaker 4 (50:38):
There's a lot of war crimes and just not that
much good stuff.
Speaker 2 (50:42):
Yeah, I mean, the the ACA mattered. There are some
things that got better after it, but the whole fight
to get there was so dispiriting, and I think that
that kind of broke Obama the actual like interested in
pushing radical change, and then the Republicans absolute lutely swept
midterms to such a catastrophic extent, and I foresee Kamala
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getting stuck in the same thing that Obama did in
terms of like it is actually very hard to make
any substantive progress that helps people. I don't know that
she's going to have to deal with a Republican party
that is capable of doing what the Republicans did during
like the Tea Party mini terms.
Speaker 3 (51:19):
That's just that's a very different Republican party. And then
the one that exists now.
Speaker 2 (51:23):
The one that exists now has been lobotomized by Trump,
and well, he's going if he's alive, he's going to
run in twenty twenty eight. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (51:31):
But this, this kind of this growing reclamation of like patriotism.
We've already seen it with how like you know, the
NFL is gone woke. All these things that have kind
of been more affiliated with like you know, conservatism or
like you know, like traditional Americana is slowly getting swept
up more with like the liberal majority, and you know,
those types of things that have kind of been gate
kept from liberals for a while, especially especially that kind
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of style of patriotism. And this isn't this isn't necessarily
a good thing. That's not what I'm saying. I'm just
saying that this is gonna be a trend that I
think is going to be increasing, and it will also
lead to, I think a bit more open hostility from
liberals towards people that are more progressive, towards people more
on the left, especially protesters, especially protesters who are not
just doing protests that are big parades and marches. And
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we've already seen that here with a decent bit of
conflict between you know, more radical attendees and the big
coalitions with their safety teams. We were seeing a lot
of fighting over you know, who is more justified, what's
more valid what should you be allowed to do at
a protest like this? And those debates are going to continue.
I think we'll seeing more pressure on that front, even
from liberals as well. And that's kind of the big
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the big trends that I'm seeing right now as we're
about like halfway through the DNC.
Speaker 2 (52:40):
Yeah, well, I'm going to finally go to the DNC tonight,
so that'll be fun.
Speaker 1 (52:44):
I'll show you around.
Speaker 2 (52:45):
Yeah, you can show me around.
Speaker 4 (52:48):
We're gonna meet Daddy Walls.
Speaker 2 (52:49):
I'll take my my anti PTSD meds, all overdose on
those meds. You can take me to the hospital. Gonna
be a nice night, Sophe.
Speaker 1 (52:58):
The good news is there's two more days of this.
Speaker 2 (53:01):
All right, as news i've heard in a while.
Speaker 4 (53:04):
I'm turning off this record.
Speaker 2 (53:05):
I'm gonna go leap out of the window.
Speaker 3 (53:06):
Yeah all right, bye, bye bye.
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Cool Zone Media, Kamala Harris and Tim Walls. Little John
didn't mention anything about sweat dripping off his balls.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
He sure did not, And that's the greatest act of
you know, amongst all of the genocide denial, it takes
a lot of cowardice to really stand up in this crowd.
But Little John refusing to talk about sweat dripping down
his balls in the middle of the DNC was a
horrible mistake here.
Speaker 1 (00:29):
I'm sorry. I didn't know he was going to start
that way.
Speaker 2 (00:31):
I knew I was going to start that way. I
think it was in pain. Garrison, do you know the
song we're talking about? What Welcome to What happened here?
Speaker 3 (00:41):
I'm Garrison Davis, annoyed with my bosses, Sophie Lichtman and
Robert Evans.
Speaker 2 (00:46):
Very old, very old. Remember when Lil John was slightly
not He was never really that transgressive. Little John's always
been pretty family friendly. I guess.
Speaker 1 (00:57):
Somebody replied to the video I post of Little John
saying maybe the best lil and you.
Speaker 2 (01:03):
Know, ah, there's I had a soft spot in my
heart for Lil Wayne, not that he was good, but
because he's really funny, Like missus officer. That's that's a
fun song. That's a fun story about pretending he had
sex with a police officer.
Speaker 3 (01:19):
The Democratic National Convention continues inside Chicago, Illinois.
Speaker 2 (01:23):
Lil Wayne not yet present, but maybe night. People say
Swift might show up soon.
Speaker 1 (01:28):
She well, she she had a couple shows and she
could potentially get here by tomorrow.
Speaker 2 (01:34):
Oh okay, that's great, that's great. I was actually about Jonathan Swift.
Oh okay, author of a modest proposal.
Speaker 1 (01:40):
But yeah, but in my heart, I really don't think
she's coming.
Speaker 2 (01:44):
No, why would she? What does she gain from that?
Speaker 1 (01:47):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (01:48):
So Tuesday we spent the day split up, mostly with
me and Robert going to a protest and Sophie entering
the United Center to watch the lib Utopia unveil, complete
with an appearance.
Speaker 4 (02:03):
I'm so happy Lil John I believe is what he's
referred to as.
Speaker 1 (02:07):
Yes, that is that is correct?
Speaker 4 (02:08):
Thank you?
Speaker 2 (02:09):
Yes, just checking as someone currently wearing a mesh shirt.
He is in your line of descendants, like this is
one of your one of your saintedt ancestors.
Speaker 4 (02:17):
I don't know how I feel about that.
Speaker 3 (02:19):
And we will we will get to the Little John
anticks Uh specifically with the State of Georgia, which made
quite a show. Later on in the episode we will
be talking about that, but first we will be talking
about what me and Robert spent a good I don't know,
four hours yesterday doing.
Speaker 2 (02:36):
I was out for closer to eight because I went
out earlier to look at some stuff I went to.
There was a pro Israel Free the Hostages event that
I went to and looked around. Briefly, not a whole
lot to say about it other than some art that
I don't fully know how to think about yet. They
had a massive one of the young women that was
abducted by Hamas that very famously had like blood on
(02:59):
her grace sweat pants. They had just like a massive
two story tall pair of gray sweatpants covered in blood.
But it wasn't really clear until you got up close
what it was trying to be. So it was just
kind of like it was odd, odd visuals for the event,
I'll say that, but mostly pretty tame. There was maybe
thirty or forty people there, and that was about two
(03:19):
three blocks down from the plant side of the protest
that you and I went to, which was the Centsure Tower,
which is apparently it's like a mall on the inside
and a metro station and also several floors mini floors
of office space. So I'm guessing that the Israeli Consolate
is a couple of small offices in this big building.
Speaker 3 (03:39):
Yeah, so there was a purchase plan for later this evening.
As me and Sophie were going to get lunch, I saw.
Speaker 2 (03:44):
Like Sophie and I.
Speaker 1 (03:46):
I saw they both just looked at me, deciding who
I was going to give a turney look to.
Speaker 3 (03:51):
I know.
Speaker 2 (03:55):
You were the United Kingdom and me correcting Garrison's grammar,
was the German arm marching into Belgium.
Speaker 3 (04:01):
I saw a whole bunch of police vans driving through
downtown Chicago on the way to the Israeli Consulate. And
we showed up a few hours later for the for
the protest planned that evening. Like usual, we tried to
arrive early and there was a few kind of characters
bumping around the area that a lot of media was
just fascinated by.
Speaker 2 (04:22):
Yeah, the start of it was there was the same
There was had been a Nazi lady out at the
protest the day before as well. She has like bright
purplish hair carried and on the first day, just a
cardboard sign covered in racial slurs, loved shouting the end word. Today,
she had a friend. They unveiled a sign. People confronted them.
Speaker 3 (04:43):
It was like it was like a white genocide, white
like white replacement, great replacement type sign with a URL
to a telegram channel.
Speaker 2 (04:49):
I believe, Yeah, you had a channel. Yeah, I think
she had a friend today.
Speaker 4 (04:54):
Did someone else with her?
Speaker 2 (04:55):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (04:55):
It was shocking news.
Speaker 2 (04:57):
Yeah, I mean they usually have at least one, right, maybe,
and and then uh, I mean kind of the at
one point, sort of while we were all waiting around,
because it was initially just a shitload of press, some
lookie loose from the local area, and a bunch.
Speaker 4 (05:09):
Of cops, well, a bunch of private security, a lot.
Speaker 2 (05:12):
Of private security, mostly for the media. There's a fun
game of spot the concealed handgun, because none of these
guys are very good at concealing their fucking handguns. But
at one point, I'm standing and talking to another media
and I see this like massive circle of cameras fill
up around, and so I'm wondering, Okay, maybe something's happened.
I get over there, and I didn't even think to
like stop myself from you know, using my outside voice.
(05:35):
I just shouted as soon as I got close, Oh fuck,
it's the MyPillow guy. There's is the least news anything
could possibly be. But for some reason, there was like
maybe like forty cameras. It's just like huddled around this
guy trying to get whatever picture or whatever, letting you talk. Yeah,
a couple of protesters kept engaging him about Gaza, which
(05:57):
I just don't think that there's anything to be gained
from engaging them pillow guy. With the exception of Garrison,
the way you chose to engage the MyPillow.
Speaker 3 (06:04):
Guy, I think there's really only one way to handle this,
and well there's maybe two ways. You can just completely
ignore him, which is probably probably probably the best.
Speaker 4 (06:11):
Ask what I did, because.
Speaker 3 (06:13):
There's there's no reason to engage with this. There's no
reason to give him what he wants. The other option
is just to completely baffle him, just be really confusing.
So I went up and I didn't even ask a question.
I just I just said you said Mike first, which
I left so funny.
Speaker 1 (06:29):
I just want the listeners to know that after a
fourteen hour day yesterday, I get I get back to
the hotel Garrison and Robert have had several drinks in
Garrison is like, did you see my video? Did you
see my video? And what was that video?
Speaker 4 (06:44):
We'll play the audio here. Mike skimbity Biden, skimmity.
Speaker 3 (06:50):
Biden, skimmity Biden, gimty skimmity Biden.
Speaker 4 (06:55):
So no, I was able to get Mike. You know,
we're pretty.
Speaker 3 (07:00):
Let's how you guys talk now, it's around to say
s giveny by, because that's the only way to handle
these guys. It's just like just like just really you're
not even like annoying them, You're just kind of baffling.
Speaker 4 (07:14):
Because all he wants.
Speaker 3 (07:16):
Is attention to take his little piece and trying to
attract whatever media attention, and you just got to kind
of fuck with them.
Speaker 2 (07:22):
And it's it's kind of a good sign that he
did that, because this is not if you think about
where he was in like twenty seventeen, twenty eighteen, him
showing up alone, no visible security escort to just kind
of stand around before a protest and bullshit, is like,
that's a man whose life has fallen apart, like he
has nothing.
Speaker 3 (07:42):
Left, no everything he was saying I'm able to hear
him say at four am on Fox News. Yeah, and
that's that was pretty much the little pre show circus,
and you know, people starting to trickle into the area slowly,
you know, people in Kefia's you know, protesters, medics started
to slowly, slowly enter enter this little like you know,
block radius, and then very very suddenly, from like the
(08:04):
opposite side of where everyone else was stationed at, we
saw a group of maybe like fifty march in.
Speaker 4 (08:09):
All at the same time.
Speaker 3 (08:10):
Yeah, and this was kind of the start of the
main of the main protests.
Speaker 2 (08:14):
And I would say at that point there were maybe
fifty protesters scattered around within the clumps of media, most
of whom ran over and joined that group. So it
was probably around one hundred or so, maybe as many
as one hundred and fifty.
Speaker 3 (08:25):
And it probably grew to about like two hundred over
the course of the next few hours, although they started
to kind of bleed numbers as well. And I was
I was taking notes on my little personal recorder during
this time, and we put together a little kind of
compilation to hear about what went down, and I'll probably
cut in with some extra narration to kind of fill
in the gaps, so to clarify the audio. You're about
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to hear was recorded over the course of like two
and a half hours. We've cut this down for efficiency
and clarity. So some of the sections you're about to hear,
you know, may have happened a minute or two apart,
but they're just being mushed together to kind of help
the action move along a little bit faster, not including
you know, the sections of the protest where there's ten
minutes of nothing happening. Here's a first hand look at
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what happened during the protest at the Israeli Consulate back
all right, it's just from the it's just past seven.
The behind enemy lines Israeli Consulate protest basically just started.
A whole bunch of people in some form of block
showed up in front of the building, started marching up
the street.
Speaker 4 (09:23):
Very quickly. A three or four.
Speaker 3 (09:26):
Or five layered line of Chicago PD came to block
Clinton Street, so the march could not advance there now
retreating back towards the building, and they might try to
march the other direction. I'm going to be on the
move here, trying to take notes as this progresses. A
central tower is kind of a tricky spot for this
sort of protest. Although it does house the Israeli Consulate.
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From the outside, there's no obvious indicators that this building
is linked to the Israeli government, and it's about two
miles away from the DNC, so this is gonna be
very little impact on DNC attendees. All the way over
here in the West Loop area of Chicago. Chicago, ped
is set up across the other street as well, walking
(10:10):
both ways in essentially kettling this entire protest. There's a
loud speaker, people are talking in front of the building.
Speaker 2 (10:20):
The purple haired.
Speaker 3 (10:21):
Wig lady from before has moved her Nazi banner closer
to this core of protesters right in front of the
entrance of the building housing the Israeli Consulate. All right,
some of the protesters just announced that they have a
couple of speakers that are going to talk in.
Speaker 4 (10:36):
Front of the Israeli Constant building. As people are now.
Speaker 3 (10:38):
Sandwiched in between two streets right in front of the entrance.
Speeches discussed the genocide in Gaza and the US arms
Deeels sending weapons and bombs to Israel as part of
continuing US imperialism. As the speech is carried on, more
and more police began to arrive. All right, it is
seven pm, About nine or so white vans just showed
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up with tons of chicaga pad and ryagear, helmets, gas masks,
now thicker sleeves, not just the blue button ups that the.
Speaker 4 (11:08):
Regular cops wear.
Speaker 3 (11:11):
All right, we're gonna run into a line of police.
People have banners, bring the war home, shut down the
DNC for Gaza Palestine flags. As they are marching towards
a massive line of riot cops. There's too much media
(11:31):
in the way.
Speaker 4 (11:34):
And a clash has started. Pushing up against lines.
Speaker 3 (11:42):
Police pulling apart the signs and banners. Sounds familiar, I
bet to anyone who was at twenty twenty. The first
clash lasted about a minute, as protesters tried to march
forwards into the street and police pushed them back. I
was off to the side, but the sheer of mount
of cameras and media in the middle of this scuffle
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prevented either side from gaining or losing much ground. All right,
there was kind of a little bit of a back
and forth. The protest line got pushed back slightly, but
still in the middle of Clinton Street. Protesters telling the
press to get out of the way as many press
(12:23):
are in between. As press moved slowly out of the way,
police were able to successfully push the protest.
Speaker 4 (12:31):
Back Chicago pedis I mean redirecting some of their push
towards the south. Now looks like some of the protesters
are trying to move onto.
Speaker 3 (12:44):
The sidewalk to get out of this massive, massive sandwich
of police, and there's maybe three or four cops trying
to prevent them from moving on the sidewalk. Here.
Speaker 4 (12:53):
We'll see if they get pasted.
Speaker 3 (12:56):
Police have tacklics and people. Police are going in for
a lot of arrests. It's very combative. Police with batons
out attacking people, hitt him on the ground, tackling them.
Police preventing all forward's movement on the sidewalk as well,
not just the street.
Speaker 4 (13:20):
People are people are trying to get out and police are.
Speaker 3 (13:23):
Police are really trying to trap them.
Speaker 4 (13:30):
Police are squashing. We can't we can't move dude, we
can't move back.
Speaker 2 (13:38):
We can't, we can't move back.
Speaker 4 (13:43):
Police are telling people to move back into nothing. They
have us trapped by this building.
Speaker 3 (13:51):
Eventually, police realize that they cannot push all fifty people
into a flat wall and eased off, directing people back
in front of the consulate. Police is pushing us into
a very tiny corner. A small line of police is
separating two crowds, mostly on the sidewalk.
Speaker 4 (14:10):
All right, they're pushing us back towards the building.
Speaker 3 (14:14):
Action now paused for a few minutes as both sides
figured out their next move. Protesters chanted for the release
of detained comrades.
Speaker 4 (14:29):
All right.
Speaker 3 (14:30):
Some of the crowd is trying to regroup as police
continue to push people off.
Speaker 4 (14:33):
Of the sidewalk and back into the street.
Speaker 3 (14:36):
I guess the crowd has kind of been split now
into four sections, police keeping them separate, not letting them reconvene.
The section from the building, there's a section on the corner,
the section behind the police line, and there's a section
close to where people tried to march that it has
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now been cut off from the rest of the crowd,
So we have these kind of four groups. A smaller
group is reforming in the street in front of the building.
This is kind of the section that got trapped by
the building as the rest of the march tried to
move forward, and some of the people from the side
have linked up with them as well, but still mostly
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kind of four sections separated up by police. People channing
to get back in the street. We have little squads
or AG's linking up with their mates again, linking arms,
holding hands, kind of regrouping.
Speaker 4 (15:35):
Right now, Chicago p D is kind of doing the same.
Speaker 3 (15:37):
They're reforming their line, going back more into the middle
of the street. If they did get any detainments or arrests,
probably sorting those out right now as they decide what
to do next. During this loll period, I was able
to hear a decent amount of police comms chatter coming
from their walkie talkies as the police decided on.
Speaker 4 (15:56):
Their next move.
Speaker 3 (15:58):
All right, I just heard on police comms that they're
going to be asking for media to leave. Interesting, Yeah,
they are calling for transport vands. So if they're gonna
start doing arrests, they might try to get media to
leave first then really move in. It sounds like to
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me on the comms they're calling out specific people to
do targeted arrests. On the comms, they're calling out specific outfits,
specific what people are wearing, what people are holding, to
move in and do targeted arrests on the crowd. Some
of the descriptions are very general like black hoodie, red hat,
that kind of stuff. I really did not want to
(16:40):
get a face full of mace, So as soon as
I saw police carrying mace cans, I perhaps a bit
prematurely decided to don my full face gas mask, which
I then took off like ten minutes later as it
became clear that we weren't in immediate danger of amazing, Well,
I don't think I'm gonna see Barack Obama today. There's
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been enough of a cause that the anticipation keep from growing.
Does everyone knows what's about to happen. We're just waiting
for it to happen, all right.
Speaker 4 (17:11):
The fast time protesters that in front of the building
are not moving towards the Israeli.
Speaker 3 (17:16):
Counter protesters on the other side. As things started to
heap back up, some folks in the crowd opted to
exit the area via a small EVAC route on the
northwest corner of the street. Considering the talk of targeted
arrests on the police scanner, police may have been eyeing
up certain people in the crowd who then got the
hint about what's about to go down next.
Speaker 2 (17:39):
You see that doesn't block just bounced?
Speaker 3 (17:43):
Yeah, No, I think they could spot that they were
about to get targeted for arrests. Be guys, they were
being followed up by some of some of the sergeants
because I honestly.
Speaker 2 (17:54):
I can't name any law breaking other than quote unquote shoving.
Speaker 5 (17:57):
With the path.
Speaker 4 (17:57):
Sure, but I mean, you know they can get you
on some The.
Speaker 3 (18:01):
Protest did not stay still for too long, and a
little less than hour since the last big confrontation, the
crowd once again attempted to march. All right, it is
nearly eight twenty. The crowd that remained in front of
these early consolt building is now moving up again towards
Clinton Street to re engage the confrontation that happened nearly
(18:22):
an hour ago. Look, there's less cameras in between the
two factions, but not no cameras. The crowd of protesters
is still approaching, and they're turning.
Speaker 4 (18:35):
They're turning. They turned down Clinton Street.
Speaker 3 (18:38):
This is the movement they tried to make before, but
police prevented them from doing so. And now they're so
far able to exit. The section of the protest that
was still facing down the riot line split up into
two smaller groups and then made this same movement down
the sidewalk away from the police. The people that were
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traveling down the sidewalk and Clinton have now reformed on
Moreau Street and they are now marching. The police are
now caught behind the protesters in the march, but sure
enough police quickly arrive to contain the mobile protest. All right,
(19:21):
bike cops have beat most of the crowd to the intersection,
but they're still slowly arriving. The intersection up here is
a T shape, so only two directions to go.
Speaker 4 (19:31):
Please are going to try to get them to take
a right. It looks like.
Speaker 3 (19:36):
Yep, all right, more please catch it up. I'm gonna say.
You can hear bike cops coming in from both sides. Well,
this is quite the pickle. Unfortunately, because of the T
shape of this intersection, this is now a little bit
of a tighter pinch. They can still get out via
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one path on the side of but they might prefer
a confrontation with some of these police.
Speaker 4 (20:04):
We'll see.
Speaker 3 (20:05):
The march paused at this T shaped intersection for a
few minutes as they decided their next move. All right,
the crowd is standing in front of this very thin
lineup bike cops. The police not not very thick because
they had to move kind of impromptu to adjust to
the movements of the crowd. Small groups of the protests
(20:27):
keep peeling off. They're slowly bleeding numbers, people chanting let
us through as the police yelled to move back. Police
have the remaining crowd in a pretty tight squeeze the moment.
Speaker 4 (20:43):
Smaller groups keep.
Speaker 3 (20:44):
Peeling off, but now the remaining march is moving forward
as the bike cops slowly back up. Looks like most
of the crowd has been moving onto the sidewalk to
move down the street.
Speaker 4 (20:58):
They don't really have many more move to make.
Speaker 3 (21:01):
There's just a saturation of police in this area that
the cops can adapt to any movement this shrinking crowd makes.
Speaker 4 (21:11):
Police are piling into the sidewalk. Police are making arrests.
Speaker 3 (21:17):
Police are doing targeted arrests. They're grabbing people on the sidewalk.
Farm numbers of arrests are being made. There's at least
at least five from where I'm standing. Police ordering media
out of the way. The protesters are now moving back
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on the sidewalk, backtracking.
Speaker 4 (21:45):
Away from the police.
Speaker 3 (21:47):
The remaining crowd attempted to move away from the police
who were making arrests on the sidewalk, but the only
way left to move was back where they just came from.
Speaker 4 (21:56):
People are linking up with their AG's.
Speaker 3 (21:59):
Arm in arm, trying to move through this very, very
tricky environment.
Speaker 4 (22:05):
Right now. There's so everywhere we go, I see.
Speaker 3 (22:08):
A new battalion of cops. People really just have nowhere
to go. There's just police everywhere. We're just at this
point moving in circles, but not like the regular march circles,
just on the sidewalk, going back and forth, backtracking, looping around.
Speaker 4 (22:26):
They're trying to find somewhere just to get out of
this area.
Speaker 3 (22:29):
Mostly out of options on where to go, the protest
entered a small patio terrace on the corner of the street.
Protesters are now getting into the terrace of this building
at five point twenty five West Monroe. That's probably not
going to end great at this point. Police have the
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remaining much smaller crowd maybe fifty, squeezed in in this
little building terrace corner. They are not letting any protesters leave.
A shoving match just started. Police are moving in and
they're tackling, pushing people on the ground. It's almost nine pm.
(23:15):
Police have one arrest now They just drag someone out
by their hair from the crowd that is currently just
completely kettled. For the first time tonight, they're providing no
evacuation ruts for protesters. They are trapped on this street corner,
completely surrounded, not letting anyone leave. Eventually, a small hole
opened up, letting a few protesters leave this kettled patio.
(23:38):
Robert was able to exit with this group, but many
people were not able to make it through, and this
little patio was where a number of arrests were able
to take place as others slowly dispersed throughout the West
Loop neighborhood of Chicago. According to NBC, the police superintendent
Larry Sneeling, which is kind of a great name for
(23:59):
a cop, praised his officers for quote unquote showing restraint
when no one else did, saying that they quote did
an excellent job responding to violence and vandalism. He made
a similar comment on Wednesday, saying that the protest quote
showed up with the intention of committing acts of violence
and vandalism unquote. Now, there was no vandalism that was
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actually committed during this protest. That did not happen. I'm
not sure how the superintendent was able to infer the
intention of this protest exactly as no vandalism took place
and the only violence that happened was when police started
pushing people who were trying to march forwards in the street.
Speaker 2 (24:39):
Wow, Garrison, that was a gripping story that we're going
to talk about.
Speaker 3 (24:43):
After these services, services, products, okay, products and services.
Speaker 2 (24:49):
Yeah, well maybe we can't know. It's impossible to say
we're back, so I don't know. I guess we should
probably just kind of give some final thoughts on how
we felt about this protest. My overwhelming impression, and I
(25:11):
really am not saying this to try to be mean,
is that the crowd came with a lot of rhetoric
about this is the protest that matters, We are going
to shut down the DNC, we are going to throw
our bodies upon the machinery of empire. And then after
the first couple of hand to hand clashes with the police,
which were mostly just kind of shoving, people just wanted
(25:34):
to get home, they wanted to leave, and most of
the night was us following people attempting to get home
and disperse and not being allowed to buy the police
every time they would like do a big push in
where they're all shouting move in unison. They're telling you
to go back, They're telling you to do this or
you'll get arrested. And there's always you're always surrounded on
every side by cops and you know, sometimes by gaggles
(25:56):
of media. But like it was impossible to comply. I
can't say that I saw any law breaking really, aside
from assuming the cops called an unlawful assembly, which I
did not hear. I don't know how you would have
heard in most of the product protests, but assuming they did,
as that's the law breaker.
Speaker 3 (26:12):
Yeah, there was no like property damage, there was no
there was no no real light activity. Yeah, you know,
people people tried to march and police prevented them with
their bodies. Yep, and you know there's a confrontation that ensues,
like at that point where where the two groups meet.
But besides that, it was it was it was people
trying to march and the cops that prevented them from
doing so.
Speaker 2 (26:32):
And it was a lot. I got stuck at one
point with a group of twenty or so people, a
handful of protesters, couple of media, and then maybe a
dozen or more like I think they were locals. I
guess it's possible they were tourists, but people who had
just seen the march going down the street and thought
that they might follow along and watch for a little
And then the cops moved in so fast. We all
got walled off in the courtyard of a hotel that
(26:54):
didn't actually have street access, but it wasn't clear that
it didn't, and the police repeated said they were going
to arrest all of us. I had like a discussion
with one about my credentials because he was like, those
are press credential. Eventually they got a cop who could read,
but another journalists got arrested. I think there were at
least four arrested.
Speaker 4 (27:13):
E mean, at least four journalists were arrest at least.
Speaker 2 (27:15):
Four journalists were arrested. Yeah, because after I got out,
they let most of the people in our kettle out,
but they pulled one guy with a helmet that said
press on it out of the kettle. I think his
name was Josh Pacheco. I believe it was Josh that
I was filming. Josh was definitely arrested, and he is
going to be raising money because his camera was broken.
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They tossed his linen like cameras lens first onto the ground.
It did significant damage. If you want to find Josh's
info online at jp Underscore OTG you can find his information.
I'm sure he'll be doing a fundraiser at some point.
Speaker 3 (27:51):
And obviously there were many more protesters arrested. The actual
final number is kind of up in the air. Police
that are saying that twenty two people at least were
arrested and is saying it's closer to admit.
Speaker 2 (28:02):
Being the National Lawyer's Guild, they show up at protests
to protect people's rights, primarily in the event of arrest.
Speaker 3 (28:07):
Yeah, so there's kind of some confusion here on how
many people were actually arrested. I'll try to get confirmations
and i'll add that in later tonight. I'll also look
for a bail fund, yeah, to donate as well, because
it is always unfortunate when journalists are arrested, but yeah,
it's equally as unfortunate when people who are protesting, especially
for a cause like this, get arrested as well. Like
this is I think something that it's worth stating.
Speaker 2 (28:29):
Especially since again I can't say anything anyone did to
precipitate arrest. It's not even like they were closing down streets,
because the police had closed down every street they were
on before they showed up. I think the police very
clearly were under orders to keep things peaceful as long
as possible, largely because they didn't want the DNC and
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the city government didn't want the embarrassment of anything really ugly.
So there were no weapons used. There's no mace used.
I didn't even really see the sticks used much.
Speaker 4 (28:59):
They were mostly used like push.
Speaker 3 (29:00):
There was very little in terms of like like like
overhand hitting.
Speaker 2 (29:03):
But they didn't need any of that stuff because there
was no point at which they had less than a
two to one numerical advantage, usually more like three or four.
Speaker 3 (29:11):
And the people that were organizing this protest in the
in the days prior were like announcing part of their
intention was to specifically get beat up by police and
like beat up badly and have this like generate news coverage,
have this you know, this slight Stare organization as well, Yeah,
invoking Chicago nineteen sixty eight, and police largely like denied
them that option. And you know, many of the participants
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also opteds to to not continue, you know, in an
hour's long physical confrontation with police and instead opted to
try to move around them, try to evade them, instead
of trying to you know, push through police lines. You know,
there was a few points where the police lines that
were blocking the street was very sin after people started
to move move around the this kind of area, around
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around the consulate building, and then you know, other times
the police lines were very thick, but consistently people opted
to not continue a long physical engagement with police.
Speaker 2 (30:04):
Yeah, it was a discretion is the better part of
valor kind of night, and I think that's the point
at which the police decided we are going to arrest people.
There was a degree to which it felt like they
were just kind of like trying out tactics. A lot
of what they were doing was splitting up the crowd
then doing targeted arrests and kind of separating, calving off
chunks of it. I don't know. The whole thing I
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kind of couldn't stop myself from being drawn back to
the whole time is like, what is the actual utility
of this really? Because it didn't get attention, not much.
You know, there's some news coverage and stuff, but it's
not a Chicago sixty eight moment. I don't think this
is going to move any needle for anybody, and obviously
that's the goal, right, is to have some kind of
an impact. I mean everyone was saying, like the stated
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goal at all of these protests shut down the DNC,
and the only time that kind of happened was at
the less radical protest police protests yesterday, right, and largely
kind of by accident. I don't know like that. I'm
not trying to be like down on anyone. It just
is one of those what when you're seeing the sheer
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weight of police and the numbers of protesters being generated
is one hundred or two hundred, it just feels like
you're asking people to get fucked up and damage their
lives in a situation in which that's unlikely to actually
lead to any of the things they want to see.
Speaker 4 (31:27):
Hey, this is gare cutting in again.
Speaker 3 (31:29):
The exact number of arrests is still a little bit unclear,
but we have a clearer idea than what we did
a few hours ago. The official number as of Wednesday
evening is that fifty six people were arrested. I'm going
to quote from the AP quote thirty of the people
detained by police were issued citations for disorderly conduct. According
to Chicago Police, one person was arrested on a felony
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charge of resisting police, while nine were charged with misdemeanors
including disorderly conduct, resisting officers, battery, assault, and criminal damage
to property. Police said, unquote for the record, neither myself
nor Robert witnessed any criminal damage to property.
Speaker 2 (32:09):
I guess to kind of conclude a protest that's going
to actually like move the Needler change. Anything has to
overwhelm like the capacity of the state system to deal
with it. It has to be something that the state
is not. We saw this in twenty twenty right like
just over I'm just talking about Portland, just like overall,
the George Floyd up rising was beyond what the state
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was prepared to handle for at least a sizeable chunk,
especially of the early days. It like overwhelmed the capacity
of the resources the state had to respond adequately. The state,
at least everything I've seen so far at the DNC
has been perfectly prepared for everything that people brought to bear.
And that's really the summary I've gotten.
Speaker 3 (32:51):
We're going to go on a quick break and then
be back to hear from Sovie about the Obama festival
inside the Democratic National Convention. All right, we are back
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and as as this protest was happening in this area
around like I think it's called the West Loop, Sophie
was inside the d n C and there was also
people similar to the first day of the DNC who
who snuck in like banners into the DNC and unfurled
them like pro Palestine disarming as royal banners. I believe
the banner from last night just read free Palestine and Sophie.
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What was it like in there exactly? Was it easier
to get into than the than the day previous.
Speaker 1 (33:40):
Well, it was more, it was it was it was
is what I'll say. It wasn't as organized as the
R and C, but it was. It was better than
the day prior. That's a win is a win at
this point. But yeah, the energy was electric, as once
I heard multiple people say throughout the night in the
unass press area that I was in.
Speaker 3 (34:03):
It felt like, at least from watching online afterwards, it
gave really big, like two thousand and eight energy.
Speaker 1 (34:09):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (34:09):
Yeah, And obviously you know, Michelle Obama Barack Obama are
both speaking, so that that kind of carries with it
a little bit, but even just like the general vibe
just felt it felt very two thousand and eight, like
that style of like two thousand and eight optimism.
Speaker 1 (34:22):
Yeah, yeah, I would agree with that. I've been asked
a lot like what the energy is compared to the
rn C, and like the RNC was more like a
WWE event and this was more like a you know,
B level pop star concert, sure where everyone was very
excited to be there, where I only knew a couple
of the songs.
Speaker 4 (34:43):
Sure was.
Speaker 1 (34:45):
That was the general vibe. But the main speed section
of the event started off with Center Majority leader Chuck Schumer.
Speaker 4 (34:54):
And I watched his speech. It was not very good.
Speaker 1 (34:56):
He came out and and was what some would describe
as dancing on stage.
Speaker 4 (35:01):
He was quesetable. His speech was very like robotic. Yeah
it was. He was not good.
Speaker 2 (35:06):
Well, he's the head of the dim Crypto Caucus, so
like he's part robot.
Speaker 1 (35:10):
But it was like people were not super into him.
He was whatever. But then Bertie Sanders came up and
I was actually surprised at the crowd was as into
him as they.
Speaker 4 (35:21):
Were, but not super into No, no, no, oh.
Speaker 1 (35:23):
Don't get me wrong with nothing like nothing like the
Obama's later and then.
Speaker 4 (35:28):
Nothing even like AOC. It seems no, they.
Speaker 1 (35:30):
Definitely loved AOC a lot more than Bernie. I enjoyed
his speech.
Speaker 3 (35:34):
Yeah, he gave like one of the more like economically
sound speeches talking about actual issues facing working people.
Speaker 1 (35:40):
Correct. I would say, you know, a lot of the
other journalists around me were talking during that time. They
were not thoroughly paying attention to him, which was interesting
to know.
Speaker 3 (35:49):
It was the same speech that he's been giving since
twenty sixteen. Essentially, I feel like, fortunately, the economic situation
in the States has not changed all that much.
Speaker 1 (35:57):
I feel like Bertie Sands has been giving the stay
of speech his entire career.
Speaker 3 (36:00):
Sure, Yeah, and like the same stuff he was calling
for back then, with the with the one percent and
the billionaire class and healthcare and all these things that
are still real issues, and in some ways I feel
like they were more talked about back in like, you know,
twenty seventeen, and the fact that they aren't just talked
about now is maybe, you know, to some degree, like
a failing. But no, he gave the speech that he
was expected to make, and yeah.
Speaker 1 (36:20):
He called for an end to his words horrific war
in Gaza and called for a ceasefire. One of the
few this entire week that we've heard actually say that.
AFC said it yesterday.
Speaker 3 (36:32):
Well, and an AOC's specific line was crediting Harris for
working around the clock to make a ceasfire deal was
specifically like the phrasing that AOC used.
Speaker 2 (36:42):
Yeah, I don't buy that, super well.
Speaker 4 (36:44):
No, well, I'm not afraid to admit is that.
Speaker 3 (36:47):
Because I was at the protest, I had the intention
of just watching all the speeches in my hotel afterwards,
and I got up to my room, I turned on CNN.
They were replaying the whole night, and after Bernie's speech,
I completely fell asleep. And then and then I woke
up at eight am. CN was still on my television.
Speaker 4 (37:04):
That is so cursed. I turned it off and I
went back to Staarson.
Speaker 2 (37:07):
You had some nightmares on spooling.
Speaker 3 (37:11):
I don't know what was being subjected to my sleeping body.
Speaker 2 (37:14):
You're never recovering from this.
Speaker 1 (37:16):
After Bertie, you know, i'd say, the only other person
until we get to the second gentleman, Doug m Hoff
and then the Obama's later that I was, you know,
the governor of Illinois, Pritzker.
Speaker 2 (37:25):
Pritzker.
Speaker 1 (37:26):
He he just was very very well received, obviously by
by the crowd, as we are.
Speaker 4 (37:32):
One of the democrats favorite and one of their favorite boys.
Speaker 2 (37:35):
Early on, a favorite for the VP slot. Yeah, he's very.
Speaker 1 (37:38):
Good at attacking Trump and his speeches. He said Trump
is only rich in one thing, stupidity, and the crowd
went fair.
Speaker 3 (37:44):
Yeah, he was definitely the most like a mean out
of many of the speech gis.
Speaker 2 (37:49):
I would say though, like last night was the roasting nights.
Speaker 1 (37:52):
Last night was the roasting Okay, for sure they did.
Speaker 2 (37:55):
Bamba made a dick joke.
Speaker 1 (37:56):
Obama made a dick John. We'll get to We'll get
to that. But yeah, so just like visually, they have
like those light up things that you have at concerts.
Speaker 4 (38:03):
Yeah, you know I do.
Speaker 1 (38:05):
Before I get into taking this back into time to
two thousand and eight, talk a little bit about the
role call sure.
Speaker 3 (38:11):
Sure, And this is where they formerly like ceremonially nominate
Harris and Walls to be the president and vice presidential nominees.
Speaker 1 (38:19):
Correct, And let's just say it was a little bit
different than the RNC. At the RNC, you have speaker
Johnson just telling the delegates that we need to keep
order and there's a proper way to do things. And
then you had people from each state come up and
make speeches like this.
Speaker 5 (38:38):
Fighting for liberty since sixteen seventy where the revolutionary and
all was one. We're in twenty sixteen. Donald Trump won
his first primary victory ever. Let's ring in the Trump
Carol of American histories, the great State of South Carolina,
Crown cares all fifty of its fops.
Speaker 2 (39:01):
Okay, come on.
Speaker 1 (39:04):
And on the flip side at the DNC, and I
had several friends that were watching on TV say it
was translating very well on TV.
Speaker 4 (39:11):
It was.
Speaker 1 (39:11):
It was a little bit more chaotic in person, and
certain states didn't match the same energy. But each state
had had a song. There was a whole playlist thing
and that is now going around and the energy was
of a I would say Teen Choice Awards is brand.
It was a Teen Choice Awards vibe with Garrison. The
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state of Georgia doing this.
Speaker 3 (40:07):
Wow, So that's very cool, Sophie.
Speaker 1 (40:09):
I will say the state of Oregon did not.
Speaker 4 (40:14):
Well, No, that's because organ is allergic to fun.
Speaker 1 (40:16):
Oregan in Wisconsin. Boy, howdy, did they not bring the
good vibes.
Speaker 3 (40:21):
Well, that's because all you can do in Wisconsin is drink,
and all in organ you can do is smoke weed.
Speaker 4 (40:24):
So there you go.
Speaker 1 (40:26):
After the roll call, they cut to VP Harris and
Governor Tim Walls streaming live from Milwaukee.
Speaker 3 (40:34):
The Pfizer Forum, where we all suffered through last month.
Speaker 1 (40:39):
Yes, that was where the RNC was held last month,
to be like, look at us, Donald.
Speaker 4 (40:44):
We're able to fill both venues at the same time.
Speaker 1 (40:47):
We are so hip and cool and of course the
crowd lost their minds.
Speaker 4 (40:52):
Ate it up.
Speaker 1 (40:53):
They love they love so.
Speaker 2 (40:56):
Pretty good. Burn it's it's.
Speaker 3 (40:57):
It's not a bad is this was You're getting kind
of a glimpse. Ever since, like the Republicans are weird stuff,
they've been realizing that it's actually really useful to be
kind of mean in politics. Yeah, for so long this
party has been like linked to when they go low,
we go high. You know, we're gonna we're gonna make
a compromise, We're gonna gona We're going to reach across
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the aisle.
Speaker 1 (41:20):
Yeah, I mean last night it was not they go low,
we go high. It was definitely they go low, we
also go low, and you know that was interesting to
observe because the crowd loved it.
Speaker 4 (41:33):
It plays very well.
Speaker 1 (41:34):
It plays very well. Before the Obamas, we got a
speech from the second Gentleman, which is very fun to say,
Kabla Harris's husband, Doug. Doug, I like that.
Speaker 4 (41:45):
Let's let's keep trying that again.
Speaker 2 (41:46):
You can't.
Speaker 1 (41:52):
But they introed him with a video from his son
and it was very TV movie of the Week, heartwarming.
And then he came out on stage and introduced his
dad and there was hugging La La Lah and the
crowd was allowed, as it did Ben that night, and
I was like, wow, I love families, but I was like, wow,
the crowd is so loud. And then like ten minutes later,
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Michelle Obama came out and I was like, the crowd
was very quiet for Doug and Poff. In comparison, she
is by far the most popular Democrat in the world.
Speaker 2 (42:23):
There is an Obama derangement syndrome. It ignites something in
millennials and.
Speaker 4 (42:29):
Makes them really love the Obama.
Speaker 2 (42:30):
They really love their mamas, lose their minds.
Speaker 1 (42:33):
Doug's speech primarily focused on painting a picture of his
wife as a family, family woman, and talking about how
great she is with their with their kids. He has
two kids from his first marriage and they call her
Mama La.
Speaker 2 (42:49):
But she's not a real mom, you know, Robert Roberts. Look,
I've been listening to a lot of Matt. This is
a real scandal. They're not her born children. You know,
you can't adopt kids.
Speaker 3 (43:00):
You gotta stop listening to Matt Walsh podcasts when you're
doing your workout.
Speaker 2 (43:04):
I do love that the right has entirely chosen the
line of attack on Kamala to be that like.
Speaker 4 (43:09):
She's a fake mom.
Speaker 2 (43:10):
She's a fake mom. She raised Pamala.
Speaker 4 (43:14):
No, because we're quoting Matt Wall.
Speaker 2 (43:15):
Oh okay, that's how he says.
Speaker 1 (43:19):
That's absolutely by the way, Matt Walsh was like in
a disguise.
Speaker 2 (43:22):
Also, they're all in disguise walking around the.
Speaker 1 (43:24):
DNC doing something that doesn't matter.
Speaker 3 (43:26):
See that Matt Wall showed up in his like what
is a woman liberal disguise with the with the little
pony tails, Dude, Harry, I showed up.
Speaker 4 (43:36):
I showed up kind of it.
Speaker 3 (43:37):
Well, my disguise just being a regular black suit, which
I also wear regularly all the time. I'm pretty sure
whals she was trying to get some extra clips for
his new like how racism Isn't real documentary that they're
playing ads for in theaters in front of like queer
and trans movies, like specifically to like fuck with people.
So I'm pretty sure they're they're here collecting some kind
of some kind of some kind of foot for that
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because he had a little love mic attached to his
attached to his lapel, so he's doing some kind of hijinks.
Speaker 2 (44:03):
But Yeah, it's interesting to me how much of the
attacks on Kamala right now are focused on her family
not being a real family. It strikes me as kind
of a sign of desperation because I'm not saying it
get any traction. It's the same as like the tim
Wall stuff, where it's like nothing sticking that they're trying
right now, And I think they've just gotten so far
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into their own fever swamps that they have completely forgotten
how to connect with a hit, which is an interesting
place for the Republicans to be because that's all they have.
Speaker 1 (44:33):
Yeah, Duck, read the teleprompter. It's fun being able to
see the teleprompter because you can see where they have
bolded words or underlied words or capitalized words, and any
bold or capitalized word. He really went for it, and
I personally thought that was funny to observe. But the
crab liked him, and I was like, wow, they really
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like Doug m Hoff. Wow. And then I was like, no,
that's not who they actually like, because then Michelle Obama
came out and the crowd standing ovations. I can't even
tell you it was louder than like I've seen Beyonce concert,
same exact amount of loudness, but yeah, it was just
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very two thousand and eight, very twenty twelve. Her speech
was incredible.
Speaker 4 (45:21):
What did she actually talk about?
Speaker 1 (45:23):
Nothing, but it was incredible, is what I'm saying. She
just basically talked about how important it is to do
things without saying anything. She was able to resonate with
every single person in the crowd. Every single person in
the crowd was just enamored.
Speaker 2 (45:40):
What it's been so many bad months in a row
of news and just getting constantly beat down in every
news cycle and war and genocide overseas, and a lot
of people. As soon as Biden stepped down, it was
like a rubber band breaking and everyone just went from
what this was host did not happen as a convention.
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They were serious efforts by the DNC when Biden was
still a candidate to like, we don't even need to
do a real convention because like, what is the benefit
of sticking him in front of people for longer? And
they broke a pinata full of party energy and that's
that's what this has all been inside and honestly not
a lot of energy outside in the streets, you know,
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energy from the people who were there. But like, I
think there would have been much larger crowds if Biden
had stayed.
Speaker 1 (46:29):
I one hundred percent agree with you. You know, Michelle
Obama brought back, you know, one of the key things
from two thousand and eight, Hope. She said, Hope is
making it come back, and the crowd lost it.
Speaker 4 (46:42):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (46:43):
I think that's really part of what made last night
have so much of that two thousand and eight energy
beyond you know, like all of like all of like
the pop songs beyond like the Obamas. It's like this
this messaging of like there's actually there's actually like a
good future to look towards, like hope, you know, that's.
Speaker 1 (46:56):
As long as we defeat Donald Trump. Sure, Hope is
available was the mean theme of the night, and then
she introduced President Obama. He came out, hammed it up,
told his little jokes. He was so excited. You could
tell he was like so excited to be able to
tell his material to that larger crowd. He was like
very excited to be up there. We got yes we
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can chance, then later yes she can chance. At one
point the crowd started chanting thank you Joe, as they
do when Joe Biden was referenced, and he directly said
that the torch has been passed. There we go, and
that is generally the summary of the night. Lib Topia,
as I'm calling the DNC was very excited.
Speaker 3 (47:42):
Yeah that sounds thrilling. It's really making me optimistic about
the future.
Speaker 2 (47:46):
Yeah, I mean I am more optimistic of the future
than I was. But also what I do foresee from
this is that we are heading into a future assuming
the dims win, especially if they win by a sizable margin,
where they get meaner to everyone. The thing they learned
from Trump is you should call people names and be shit.
And you know that'll get turned on the left because
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the left it already has, Yeah, as it already has.
But also the left is going to continue not having
much of an impact on the broader situation until people
have any sort of ability to actually get folks out
and have a clear understand like a clear plan for
something to do that the system cannot easily easily contain
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and withstand right like little marches and demonstrations. Not only
is the police prepared for them, but the Democratic Party,
I think is increasingly prepared for how you isolate and
sort of deflect attention from that sort of thing, like
a lot of what we've seen on the floor at
the DNC with the Yeah, we'll have Bernie come up
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and he'll talk about a ceasefire. We'll have AOC have
or ceasefire like Joe, we'll say that the protesters have
a point. You should listen to them now, not going
to He's not going to draw any other attention if
you were to like come down an attack or you know,
the protesters for you know, whatever bad piece of messaging
or something happened outside that actually does draw some attention,
you know, Like the DIMS have not just been smart
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in what they've signaled, but in how they've made sure
that that really hasn't become part of the story of
the DNC and heading into this that was a huge
fear a lot of people had, and a huge expectation
a lot of people had. It was part of the
planning that a lot of the protests that came in
with that we are going to disrupt and damage this
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kind of coronation process in order to make it very
clear that the Democratic Party has not made any meaningful
movement on Gaza. And I think what we've seen here
is the start of a replicable strategy that, unless there's
an alteration in how people are organizing, is going to
allow the DIMS to continue to sideline radical voices pushing
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for things that matter.
Speaker 3 (49:57):
Yeah, and I think one trend that we're going to
see continuing, especially if someone like Kamala wins, I'm starting
to see a growing kind of reclamation of liberal patriotism.
Speaker 1 (50:09):
Yes, there were USA signs last.
Speaker 3 (50:12):
Night and USA chance and I think this will be
something I'll proably talk a little bit more tomorrow or
the next day after, like Kamala's like big speech, and if.
Speaker 4 (50:21):
They do win, I think this.
Speaker 3 (50:22):
I think there actually is a decent bit of like
two thousand and eight energy and like, yes, people are excited.
There's the quote unquote vibe shift. But things didn't go
great after Obama was elected. Famously, like everything just kind
of yeah, like the hope was mostly unfounded, like a.
Speaker 1 (50:37):
Lot of war crimes.
Speaker 4 (50:38):
There's a lot of war crimes and just not that
much good stuff.
Speaker 2 (50:42):
Yeah, I mean, the the ACA mattered. There are some
things that got better after it, but the whole fight
to get there was so dispiriting, and I think that
that kind of broke Obama the actual like interested in
pushing radical change, and then the Republicans absolute lutely swept
midterms to such a catastrophic extent, and I foresee Kamala
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getting stuck in the same thing that Obama did in
terms of like it is actually very hard to make
any substantive progress that helps people. I don't know that
she's going to have to deal with a Republican party
that is capable of doing what the Republicans did during
like the Tea Party mini terms.
Speaker 3 (51:19):
That's just that's a very different Republican party. And then
the one that exists now.
Speaker 2 (51:23):
The one that exists now has been lobotomized by Trump,
and well, he's going if he's alive, he's going to
run in twenty twenty eight. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (51:31):
But this, this kind of this growing reclamation of like patriotism.
We've already seen it with how like you know, the
NFL is gone woke. All these things that have kind
of been more affiliated with like you know, conservatism or
like you know, like traditional Americana is slowly getting swept
up more with like the liberal majority, and you know,
those types of things that have kind of been gate
kept from liberals for a while, especially especially that kind
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of style of patriotism. And this isn't this isn't necessarily
a good thing. That's not what I'm saying. I'm just
saying that this is gonna be a trend that I
think is going to be increasing, and it will also
lead to, I think a bit more open hostility from
liberals towards people that are more progressive, towards people more
on the left, especially protesters, especially protesters who are not
just doing protests that are big parades and marches. And
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we've already seen that here with a decent bit of
conflict between you know, more radical attendees and the big
coalitions with their safety teams. We were seeing a lot
of fighting over you know, who is more justified, what's
more valid what should you be allowed to do at
a protest like this? And those debates are going to continue.
I think we'll seeing more pressure on that front, even
from liberals as well. And that's kind of the big
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the big trends that I'm seeing right now as we're
about like halfway through the DNC.
Speaker 2 (52:40):
Yeah, well, I'm going to finally go to the DNC tonight,
so that'll be fun.
Speaker 1 (52:44):
I'll show you around.
Speaker 2 (52:45):
Yeah, you can show me around.
Speaker 4 (52:48):
We're gonna meet Daddy Walls.
Speaker 2 (52:49):
I'll take my my anti PTSD meds, all overdose on
those meds. You can take me to the hospital. Gonna
be a nice night, Sophe.
Speaker 1 (52:58):
The good news is there's two more days of this.
Speaker 2 (53:01):
All right, as news i've heard in a while.
Speaker 4 (53:04):
I'm turning off this record.
Speaker 2 (53:05):
I'm gonna go leap out of the window.
Speaker 3 (53:06):
Yeah all right, bye, bye bye.
Speaker 1 (53:11):
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