Operation Pridefall, Groomers, and Kink at Pride: Part 2

Gare talks about the anti-LGBTQ+ hate campaign "Operation Pridefall" and how it mirrors the current groomer trend and kink at pride discourse.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:04):
Welcome back to Get Happen here. This is part two
of our discussion on the oppression Pride fall and they
kick Get Kick get Pride discourse and the grimmer stuff
and how they all combine in this really horrifying really
the way that I wish they didn't because it's pretty frustrating. So, uh,
last episode I talked towards the end, I talked to

(00:25):
a decent amount about tender queers um, and I actually
would like would like to define this term here um
and kind of get into why these why these people
are boosting these specific like talking points that are just
kind of regurgitate old types of homophobic stuff. They claim
it doesn't, but like it does. You're using this exact

(00:47):
same logic, you're just kind of reframing it. So tender
queers are this this the type of like they're kind
of like an in joke for like the queer community
of this personality type. Generally, the tender queers are like
a you know, typically a gen Z or a millennial queer,
more likely to be like fem, whether that be like
a woman non binary or fem person lesbians, uh, you know,

(01:11):
fem bisexuals, pan sexuals, or like queer soft boys kind
of they feature this like combination of personality designation an aesthetic,
and they're known for being especially adapt at using like
watery language of therapy as a means to like get
out of most things. Um Ever, everything's about like holding
space and healing and intimacy, and it's like it's wrapped

(01:34):
up in this like jovial pastel bubbly package. Right. If
you throw in some astrology some like coturoy overalls, shaved
heads and round glasses, and you've got yourself like a
basic tender queer. And a little quote here from an
author named Daisy Jones from an article that they made
quote just like the straight soft boy who uses performative

(01:56):
sensitivity to get away with being a little shit, sometimes
so do the tender queer. Tender queer generally refers to
a trope in the queer community of a queer person
who presents themselves as being sensitive, hyper vocal of their feelings,
sometimes thought of as prioritizing feelings and hyper intentional language
over their own harm and privilege. So they kind of

(02:18):
use like identity politics to avoid accountability. There's like this
um competitive oppression and self victimization. They center themselves and
their feelings in social or political movements that aren't necessarily
about them. They kind of they prioritize in effective methods
of self care. They utilize like gas lighting and dumping

(02:39):
the emotional labor of dealing with your own self onto
onto others. Like tender queers are kind of they're they're
known to like mask toxicity and manipulativeness in the performative
language and aesthetics of social justice. They have this like
performative soft hypersensitivity and use identity politics to kind of

(02:59):
call out avoid things that make them uncomfortable and will
like and will publicly declare those things as problematic in
an attempt to force others to conform with their own will.
So that's why I describe a lot of these like
younger younger teens um who who use these talking points
against against quote unquote kink at pride as tender queers,

(03:21):
because like they're people who are really sensitive about what
makes them comfortable, and they avoid any they try to
avoid or campaign against anything that makes them uncomfortable, and
they use all these like performative turns of phrase and
talking points to to avoid having actual discussions about it.
It's just like weaponization of their marginalized identity as a

(03:43):
shield to avoid accountability or to deflect against people challenging
them for abusive behavior or in in the in the
in like the Pride case, this like internalized homophobia. Uh
there's there's the these little little tweet exchange for some
from some people on the superviral keeck a Pride post
from a month ago. Um, I'm fourteen and I don't

(04:06):
want to see a half naked person in leather straps
and a gag and an event. I take my family too.
And someone replied, like, try glancing Eddie Marty Gras or
even a public beach before you apply homophobic double standards.
And then they the poster replied, you think I'm homophobic,
I'm literally a trans non binary lesbian. So again this

(04:28):
is this is this is this is what I mean
when I when I when I talk about title queers. Right,
there's someone's calling them out for applying this homophobic double
standard on how they view like public semi unity, right,
not even like full nunity, just like how they view
public semi nunity like a bikini or something, right, And
then they respond by saying, I'm literally a trans done

(04:49):
binary lesbian UM and then went out to say, also,
people at those don't wear kinkshit, and it's why I
don't go to Marty Gras or large public beaches. It
makes me uncomfortable sing a bunch of adults and kinkshit
being sexual just physically makes me ill. People at Marty
Gros on public beaches don't act sexual or wear kinkshit,
And so like, I feel like you haven't been to

(05:14):
Marty grass Like you will see way more skinned at
a public beach. Most kinkshit require like requires covering your
body and a lot of extra stuff, like if you're
wearing a harness or like a latex full leather outfit,
you're like showing way less skin than someone wearing a
spiedo or a bikini. So maybe you're just uncomfortable with

(05:36):
people expressing their sexuality, which, in case, don't go to
Pride because that's what Pride is all about, that's the
entire poot. But yeah, little the w I'm literally a
trans non binary lesbian. Like that's like such a perfect
encapsulation of what the tender queer kind of trope is
UM and like not not not not many people like
self self identify as as Tinder queer as it's kind

(05:59):
of this joe that the more kind of punky queer
community has kind of it's like an we're putting a
label on this, this behavioral trend that we've observed, and
it's it's kind of a joke, right, I'm not trying
to call out specific people. I'm not. If you're soft
and emotional sensitive, cool whatever, do whatever you want. I'm fine,

(06:19):
Just don't don't use these things as a shield to
justify forcing your will onto other people. It's cool to
not It's totally fine to like not like people being
publicly affectionate or like doing public like It's perfectly fine
to be uncomfortable with that. It's perfectly like. That doesn't
mean anything bad. It doesn't mean you're a prude, it

(06:39):
doesn't mean there's anything wrong with you. But like, there's
nothing wrong with people wanting to be public with that
at a public event, celebrating the fact that it's they
are now less oppressed for doing that thing, like yeah,
or a beach or Mardi Gras, and like, make sure
you're cognizant if you're engaging in any kind of like

(07:00):
socially normalized ideas of like straight stuff is inherently less
sexual than gay stuff, right, I always, I mean I
advocate people being able to like get into their own
head and figure out why they think certain things like this.
It's it's this idea of meta thoughts, trying trying to
think about why you think about things. Um So, if
you if you're if you're more uncomfortable with two men kissing,

(07:24):
then you are with than one man and a woman kissing,
you should think about that. You should be like even
even as like even as a trans non buyinary lesbian,
if you if you if if you're more if you're
more uncomfortable looking at two men kiss you should think
about why, why, what social conditioning has caused this to happen?
Because that's something that people have been pushing for a

(07:44):
long time, is that, yeah, gay stuff is like more
adult or more mature than queer stuff. I think that's
a big part of of of these types of things
being at prized like pushing back on that idea. Um So,
like I think and the reason why we see more
of these now is like there are these baby tender
queers who grew up in a world where you were
less likely to get fucking assaulted for being gay while

(08:07):
also growing up on the Internet in the age of
tumbler and Instagram. Right, these kids were able to construct
their own comfortable, safe, bubbled versions of reality online, only
being exposed to what they want when they want, right
they get they get to only view it things that
they find esthetically pleasing, and the pandemic certainly heightened this
right with people being forced to solely exist in their

(08:28):
self catered online worlds. So now with the outside world
opening up, some of these soft baby tender queers are
going through puberty and are dealing with their quote unquote
uncomfy feelings UM and the added notion of being exposed
to things that you have specifically not sought out like
that that causes them to be uncomfortable. Right, if if
you're if you're if you're a FEMI person who has

(08:51):
just attracted to other FEMI people, having to having to
look at dudes be affection It may not be your
cup of tea, but and who may not like enjoy it,
But that's like, it's just as queer as you are,
So if you shouldn't. You can't prioritize your queerness over
somebody else's UM. It's it's, it's it's it's. It's like

(09:15):
there's this collection of baby gates that gets uncomfortable being
reminded that people like especially people whom they are not
personally attracted to, have sex. It's like if they're reminded
that this happens and they don't like it. Um, it's
like it feels like they have this sort of like
anxiety just about about just looking at something that they
perceive as sexual in nature. Right, and for this, for them,

(09:37):
this includes other but two differently queer people wearing leather
or being semi nude, like dudes being shirtless or women
being shirtless. For like, I think that that's a whole
other double standard that should be uh pushed back upon. Um.
But like again, it's pride. It's not any more naked
than people at the beach. Uh, So you're not. It's not.

(09:58):
Actually if they're very selective in the types of things
that they that they will that they will focus on.
And it plays into this notion that's used by all
like anti gay legislation, that gayness is inherently more sexual
than being straight. Right, It's it's it's it's more sexual,
it's more mature. It's more adult, uh because for a
long time, being gay was exclusively seen as like a

(10:21):
hyper sexual, deving act um, And now, especially among gen
Z baby queers, being queer is now less tied to
specifically the act of sex. Right. Queerness is much more
of an like an overarching personal identity now, especially as
like as an intersex with like gender and stuff, right,
you know, whether that being on binary or this other

(10:42):
stuff like pan sexual, bisexual, what have you. But to
kind of circle back to the Kinker Pride stuff, people
want us dead for being queer. Uh, it doesn't mad
if someone's parading around in a collar. If you're uncomfortable,
you should maybe learned to fight, actually fight back into
people who actually want to kill you. Like Pride was
a riot, you should you should sort out your uncomfy

(11:02):
feelings elsewhere or director or director uncomfy feelings that the
people attacking us. So maybe maybe don't prop up kin
get Pride discourse when accusations of queer people being all
groomers is that is at an all time high and
there's fascists organizing to like shoot us at Pride marches,
So maybe consider that before you do discourse on Twitter

(11:23):
dot com. I'm I'm gonna do one little quote and
then we will have an ad break. Just gonna end
this section with a quote from them dot com again. Quote. Kinks,
sex and protests are all inherent parts of Pride. One
of the core tenets of Pride is liberation and working
against cultural shaming. Calling to quote not perform your kinks
and fetishes at Pride because some miners are there and

(11:45):
King can quote sexualize the event unquote uh implies that
celebrating sexuality and kink is openly bad, and normalizing these
things should be a goal of Pride. B D s
M subversus sexuality and leather culture have enjoyed a long
history within lgbt Q rights movement, and such public space
of sexuality are driven by much more than libido or
countercultural impulses. They're an inherent expression of queer culture and

(12:08):
queer sexuality, and as such deserve a place at Pride
as much as anything else. Okay, and now it's time
to actually get into what the title of these episodes
is about. Uh, the operation Pride fell stuff. We're gonna

(12:32):
talk about this thing that sucks. Um. So, whether you're
looking at the conservative groom or discourse or the tender
Queer can Get Pride discourse. You'll see a lot of
the same logic as well as a lot of the
same photos. We've We've talked a lot about memes on
the show, and I'm not gonna get I'm not gonna
get into like the powder memes very much right now,

(12:54):
but suffice to say that like a picture can stick
in your head a lot easier than a bunch of
words can. Um and throughout the groomware and kick it
pride shit. There are a few select photos that people
use to demonstrate their opinions on how gay people are
a threat to children. Um. Either either there's just pictures
of adults and like kink associated garb, usually like full

(13:17):
latex body suits or pup masks UM or UH. And
there's the specifically like uh. There's these two specific pictures
of kids just like standing next to adults who are
wearing pop masks that get used a lot. There's also
there's also a lot of pictures of like drag queen
story time and whenever whenever I see any of these
very specific pictures, I flashed back to when I first

(13:39):
came across the original Operation Pridefall four Chune thread back
in because these are actually all of all of the
exact same pictures, um so. Operation Pride Fall was a
cyber harassment campaign started on Fourtune targeting the degeneracy of
the LGBTQ community by attempting to sway public opinion against
queer people by linking being gay to grooming and pedophilia,

(14:01):
so checking back in oh boy, oh boy, has has
things happened? So? Initially organized on four Chune, discord and
telegram right before Pride Month, the campaign set out targets
and methods to flood the social media platforms of gay venues,
Pride sponsors, and LGBTQ people or supporters with spam, anti

(14:24):
game memes and media, usually photos intended to imply a
link between being openly queer and the grooming of children
uh and operating online under the banner of Operation Pride Fall.
The campaign started on May ten, when an anonymous four
champ poster posted a thread on poll outlining Operation Pride Fall,
which was pitching it as a crowdsourced campaign aimed at

(14:48):
damaging the LGBTQ community during the month of June. The
plan centered around quote unquote red pilling users in the
commons sections of companies that support l l g B
t Q causes on social media. The four Chum post
read quote every June, hundreds of massive corporations banned together

(15:09):
to smother social media in posts in flavor of Pride Month,
a code word for the degeneracy that is LGBT activism.
Many of these accounts are rather small and get very
little engagement, yet they continue to post without backlashed beginning
on June one. The goal of Operation Pride Fall is
to get on Twitter, Instagram, etcetera, and drop a ship

(15:29):
ton of disturbing red pills on homosexuality on the comments
of the lesser known pages. The bigger pages are okay targets,
but posts tend to get unnoticed in the sea of
other comments. Commenting on smaller pages, ones with less than
one hundred likes and so means anyone who've used it
will see the posts, and companies will reconsider their pro

(15:50):
pride posts afterwards. Unquote. So if you scroll through the
archived initial like Pride Fall thread, you'll see a crowdsourced
collect of pictures that they intended to flood the internet with.
Under in the comment section of posts, discussing Pride or
discussing LGBTQ activism or whatever. Um. So in this, in

(16:13):
this like crowdsourced collection of photos, we see a lot
of drag queen storytime stuff. But many of these pictures
and memes are now the same ones used both in
the recent Groomer thing and in the past two years
of kink Get Pride discourse. It's it's the exact it's
the exact same photos. Um It's there's like, there's there's
hundreds of them. There's hundreds of of photos of like

(16:35):
you know, people in pop masks whatever, like waving waving
Pride flags. It's it's just there's a lot. There's a
lot of them, and the specific ones get used for
so much of the Groomer ship. Uh. And they really
started to gain much more visibility during after the Operation
Pride Fall thing got launched. The Opertion Pride Fall of

(16:56):
four tun' thread also instructed users and how to set
up a fake phone numbers, to make burner accounts to
to comment on these on these social media pages. Um
There's another really interesting part that the Operation Pride Fall
planning stuff detailed was on on on discord on the opertion,
pride fall servers and channels. The users were planning to

(17:20):
repurpose cringe e TikTok videos while relabeling them with anti
lgbt Q captions and hashtags. Uh, here's a here's a
quote from there, from their from their planning planning discord.
An additional idea, we can read pool zoomers on TikTok
and literally build a fucking puppet army to funk the
ship out of millennials. We should expand this operation to

(17:43):
as many social media outlets as possible in order to
maximize effort. Let's operate like this on TikTok, convince any
gen z sibling or relatives to do some kind of
shitty jester charade slash horror dance, and then add lgbt
Q critical captions on top of it and repost it
under trending hashtags. So you see elements of this exact

(18:04):
strategy mirrored one year later in lives of TikTok by
getting videos of people being I don't know kids and
like kind of cringe because kids are kind of cringe e,
but videos of kids on TikTok and mischaracterizing you know,
TikTok videos and adding adding lgbt Q talking points on
top of them, uh, to sway the public opinion of

(18:25):
queer people. It's the It's the exact same strategy as
as a similar idea was also implemented alongside setting up
fake dating app profiles do not only spread their anti
gay kind of grooming memes, but also to farm vital
content by catfishing gay people and getting them to like
be an embarrassing interactions. Uh. Another quote on Tinder, Bumble

(18:45):
and Grinder set up freak profiles with legit convincing images
and descriptions that criticized lgbt So it's this, it's trying
to catfish queer people and like, then I guess span
them with pictures of these like grooming memes, um, and
see what their reaction is then post it. Right. It's
so the whole Operation Pride Fall strategy might appear pretty simple, Right,

(19:08):
it's like basically glorified ship posting, setting up a bunch
of fakes accounts and demonizing queer people in the common
section of small corporations and influencers. There definitely is a
lot more to it than that, right, There was there
was this element of like planned escalation starting off first
as like appearing as reasonable commenters, right, acting in very
good faith, just as somebody concerned by kids being exposed

(19:30):
to to sexual materials would, whether that be you know,
people in drag at a library reading books or people
at a Pride parade. Right. So instead of immediately going
on like full gay bashing, uh, saying that we should
you know, kill all deviant trans people, which a lot
of conservative comment hitters just say now, like Alijah Schaeffer

(19:51):
who just posts memes about wanting to kill trans kids. Um.
These these these board fascists, unfortune tried to coordinate a slow,
more insidious approach, which they would hope would just gradually
turn the tide of public opinion against queer people. Here's
a Here's the snippet from one of the Pride Fall
organizing chats. Quote, keep it normal, palatable, and friendly. This

(20:15):
means no Nazi or Hitler ship. The goal is to
make them question whether what they're supporting is really the
right thing. So as as as Pride Months progressed the
the the Pride Fall participants coordinated on four chane discord
and telegram to slowly increase the frequency and intensity of
the campaign another quote from the organizing chat quote, think

(20:37):
about it as waves day one is simply questioning homosexuality,
and then as the days goes on, it will get
worse and worse until the end of Pride Month. So uh.
In terms of physical things that actually had UH, I
believe opportion Pride Fall resulted in a few gay events
getting shut down. There was like this event and I
think it was it was like a like at a

(20:57):
queer nightclub in the UK that that got shut down.
There was a few other like like obviously like material
results that that they had by doing this harassment campaign
against venues and corporations. But I think they's they were
more successful in first of all, spreading specific memetic images
that are now commonly used in their grooming stuff and

(21:18):
in the kink of Pride stuff some some of which
these images were not really used in discourse before but
now are commonplace. I think that that's really where more
of this idea succeeded. So over the course of the month,
they will want to get more regular people to start
associating members at the LGBTQ community with pedophilia. And in
order to do that, the way they see it is

(21:39):
by just gradually shifting this discussion. Uh, and then as
public opinion altars, they hope that brands will distance themselves
from the LGBTQ community and stop doing more more pride shit.
Um right, It's like that was that was another big
part of what their intention was. And they may not
have done all that stuff immediately, Like they may not

(21:59):
may not succeeded in that, but they definitely did succeed
in the prevalence of the images that they were trying
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we are we are back. Wasn't wasn't it fun reading

(22:44):
about Operation Pridefall? Didn't that just bring bring joy to
your ears? Too? Yeah? So, as we mentioned, a big
part of their attempts to sway public opinion, it's by
spamming photos and memes that attempted to showcase just how
dangerous gay people are to children, Whether that be drag

(23:04):
queens doing story time at the library, photos of of
gay people doing quote unquote kin get Pride. Um. You know,
basically basically they're trying to say, how could any reasonable
person or corporation support pride? It's essentially a grooming parade,
right that that's the that's the thing that they were
trying to implant. And one of the things that Oppertion
Pridefel was successful in was popularizing a few of these

(23:26):
can get Pride photos, many of which were then subsequently
used last year during can Get Pride discourse um and
used this year as well, uh, most mostly by some
some like anti sex people on the left, um, and
some of these young tender queers. Uh. And you know
that this this the same photos are used in grooming
stuff and in Pride fall stuff and and can Get

(23:49):
Pride stuff, because it's the same based psychology at play, right,
the idea that sexuality in a queer sense is dangerous
and way more deviant than sexuality in a heterosexual context. Right,
like straight people kissing is rated, gay gay people kissing
is rated PG or PG thirteen. Uh, it's it's it's
that idea, but accelerate it another correlation between the openly

(24:12):
homophobic grimmer talking points and like the tender queer stuff
is this is this idea that I'm only comfortable seeing
expressions of sexuality that I can relate to or also
find attractive. And another interesting thing about a lot of
these photos is that a lot of these photos that
they use aren't actually photos of Pride. A lot of

(24:33):
a lot of the photos that they use are actually
from the Fulsome Street Fair, which is like a kink festival.
It takes place in San Francisco every year. Hard to
exaggerate how horny the Fulsome Street farrist. So it's very horny.
But also, obviously because gay people have sex, gay people
also exist in the Fulsome Street Fair. Um, they may

(24:56):
even wave a Pride flag. Shocking. Um. So a lot
of these photos that that that they use in the
grooming stuff and then they can get Pride stuff are
actually from the Fulsome Street Fair. There are actually photos
of Pride parades, of it's and it's it's and of
course anyone who has been to Pride we kind of
know that because Pride is not like the Fulsome Street Fair.

(25:21):
They are very different to vets. And that's another an
indicator of how a lot of these people who prop
up this discourse online have never been to Pride either,
because they're sharing photos at the fulsome street Fair and
saying it's Pride. Um obviously, lots of these Nazias on fourtune,
I've never been to the Folsome Street Fair or Pride. Uh.
But they they also share these same photos because hey,

(25:43):
it's it's people who look gay doing sexual things in public.
That means it's at Pride and it's a danger to children,
even though a lot of them are actually at the
fulsome street Fair. Um So if then, if if you're
a queer person and you're reposting these fulsome street Fair
pick years and claiming to be from and claiming that
they're from a Pride parade, uh to bash like kinker

(26:05):
Pride stuff. Uh reconsider that because you're basically just doing
the work that neo Nazis wants to do. Uh. Just
you're just doing it on your own time, right Like
it's you're repurposing the exact same photos that they were
that they were putting out there within this context and
just not even not even knowing where these where these
where these pictures are from? Um so stop stop that

(26:29):
I can consider not if if you have to, like
if you're gonna go to all of this work to
denounce queer people for like existing, maybe you should consider
why you're doing that, because wow, that's that sucks. Because
calling the fulsome street fair a pride parade and then
demonizing it because then then and then and then demonizing

(26:51):
pride because there's people who act like pretty kinky is
not not great because that's not what anything is happening.
You're none of none, none of that is accurate. So
that's it's really frustrating to look at to look at
all of all of the ways these things, these things combined,
because you get you get intender queers sharing fulsome street

(27:13):
fair pictures, you get conservative politicians sharing them all calling
them pride stuff. To begin, like, a lot of the
stuff you see there isn't even like a lot of
them isn't like a lot of pictures don't even have
like full nudity. Um, So that's not necessarily like, it's
not it's not even super important, but it's you're conflating
these these things in a really disingenuous way, and you're

(27:37):
just repeating the exact same things that Nazis have been
trying to get you to repeat for years, and you
should consider why that happens. So all of the grimming
stuff obviously has gotten has gotten worse in the in
the past few months. Uh definitely definitely ballooned around the
around the don't say gay bill, and this got tied
into a whole bunch of stuff happening in Florida with

(27:59):
the Disney Core operation, and a lot of the grooming
stuff got tied to conservatives attacking Disney now um and
calling Disney a grooming organization. We've had We've had far
right candidates show up in front of in front of
Disney World to do protests. We've had Nazis show up
in front of Disney World to do protests. You've seen

(28:20):
a lot of mega people show up at Disney World
to do protests, UM, all against Disney's grooming of children
by including anything not street in any of their materials,
which has already like so little um, which is also
extremely funny of like imagining you bring Walt Disney, Disney

(28:41):
come on like it's all on the same side here,
like yeah, and like I don't know, like do you,
I don't know if I really actually think that, like
do you do all these all these people actually think
that millions of teachers, democrats at corporate entertainment creators are

(29:02):
all complicit and it's in a long term planning of
like to to sexually groom miners. Some some might believe that, right,
that that kind of that kind of overlaps with some
to and on stuff in the paranoia around like child trafficking.
But I think others understand that they're kind of being
hyperbolic and they're being inflammatory to get people angry and

(29:24):
to get people like very very like active in their
in their hatred of gay people. Right. They needs to
old school homophobia kind of became a bad look. They
need to find a new way to rebrand it. And
now it's with this groom or stuff and like a
gay teachers, trans teachers, right, gender identity stuff, right, a
lot of it is now wrapped up in like trans issues. Um.

(29:46):
But I I want to read this quote by a
right wing writer named Rod Dreer. It was it was,
it was. It was cited in the Atlantic, and I
think it's actually a really good look at how the
people who are some art on the right, um, how
that they are intentionally using this grooming label. Quote about

(30:07):
the term groomers, it's usually used to describe pedophiles who
are preparing innocent kids for sexual exploitation. I think it
is coming to have a somewhat broader meaning an adult
who wants to separate children from a normative sexual and
gender identity, to inspire confusion in them and to turn
them against their parents and all the normative traditions and

(30:30):
institutions in society. It may not be specifically to groom
them for sexual activity, but it is certainly to groom
them to take them on a sexual slash gender identity
at odds with the norm which really I think that
that quote, that quote really showcases what's going on in
their brains there. Yeah, well, and this is something I

(30:51):
think like Drare, like Rob Drey in particular, doing this,
I think it is a really bad sign because there's
people who don't know who Rob Drere is. He's like
a weirdo Catholic guy. He's been like a right wing
like Catholic. I think he's a writing Catholics calumnist for
a long time, and like you know, if you go
back to like seventeen, his big thing was his whope
was a thing called the benedict adoption, which was basically like, okay,

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so like secular society has become corrupted, like Christians should
just pull out of it, right and go live with
their own communities that can be sort of like like
you know, if we we like we we we we've
we've lost this world. We have to like create a
new world which we can live around and sort of
like Christian truth or whatever. And he he was in

(31:34):
this long running kind of like battle with a sort
of like I guess like openly philangious kind of like
openly fascists. I mean that quite openly fascist, but like
people people who are reading uh like what's his name, uh,
people who are reading Schmidt, and like the Nazi lawyers
who were like, okay, well we you know, instead of

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as opposed to this thing of like we're Catholics, we're
gonna pull back from the world, their thing was we're
going to use We're going to use like the states
to enforce Christian doctrine. And Drere had sort of like
fought that. And the fact that Drere is now just
full on in this grooming ship right that is really
bad yep. And and looking again. And you know, even

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if you want to go back into history, right, like,
this is this is the kind of flip that happened
that brought the evangelicals into the political scene. Right, Like,
you have this flip from like people being like while
the raptures coming insidees and peers who are not gonna
become be politically engaged too. Oh hey, look we can
use the state to just like destroyer political enemies and
create the kingdom of heaven on earth. And yeah, this
is this is not good. This is yeah. But I

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think specifically that quotes a really good insight the smart
conservatives who know what they're doing, Like they know it's
not actual grooming, but it's if they can if they
can use that word within the context of being like,
it's about getting it's about getting kids to adopt a
non normative sexual identity. Again, it's like non normative. Right,

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It's it's confusion in them turning them against the institutions
in society. Right, all of all of these things that
is that is mirrored across lots of the groomy discourse,
the kinker pride discourse, all this kind of stuff. It's
it's it's the same it's the same thing. It's like
a non normative sexuality is more sexual than a normative sexuality.

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It's this whole idea, man. And it's not great because
it's not gonna stop with kids either. Uh, it's not
gonna we we I talked with I've talked with this
a lot. How how once they ban you know, trans
health care for miners, they're gonna bump it up to
then they're gonna bump it up to no one has
it at all. And I have, I got I got

(33:46):
an update on that front. Um. So, first of all,
for a recent legislation, there's the Alabama Felony Healthcare Band
for TRANSUTH which forcibly detransitions teams across the state. UM.
That that that that that that's gonna enacted. And in
Missouri there's a similar bill in the works, officially titled
the Save Adolescents from Experimentation Act um. And it applies

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to into individuals younger than nineteen years old. UM and
it would it would inhibit Missouri UH physicians and healthcare
providers and prevent them from providing gender affirming healthcare to patients.
And it turns out Missouri la Is lawmakers a few
weeks ago, we're debating the bill seeking to restrict access
to gender firm and care for miners and and they

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also suggested that access to medical interventions like hormones be
withheld from transgender and non binary individuals until at least
their twenty fifth birthday. During public in Missouri's for House
Bill to six four nine, Lorie Haynes, a psychologist, testified
that she believes young adults under the age of twenty
five are unable to fully comprehend the dramatic and drastic

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and irreparable changes their body will go under they receive
gender affirming medical treatments like community blockers or hormone therapies.
Hayes also said that she's supported getting conversion therapy for
trans kids. Yeah, I'll bet she thinks that eighteen year
old should be able to buy at join the military,

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join the So it's already happening. We already have lawmakers
and we have psychologists being brought into testify that this
is the case. People they want that this is going
to be the next thing. They want this to happen.
Um now, I'm just gonna say, obviously, uh recent study
published in the Journal of America in the Journal of
the American Medical Association found that receiving gender affirming care

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including beauty blockers and hormones between the ages thirteen and
twenty associated with six lower odds of moderate or severe
depression and seventy three lower are odds of suicidality. Another
study published late last year by the Trevor Project found
that among transgender and non binary miners, hormone therapy was
associated with nearly lower odds of recent Russian or a

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suicide attempt over the last year, and a lot of
the effects of permonty blockers and even hormonal placement therapy
actually are reversible and are not damaging. Um so, I mean,
but we we all know that there's that horrible uh
Matt Walsh trans documentary coming out soon. Yeah, yeah, and

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you definitely I know. In the trailer, he says that, uh,
one of the drugs used to give puberty blockers to
miners is also used as a chemical castration for sexual
assault perpetrators, uh, which is kind of true. But it's
castration in the sense that you need to take the

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drug always for its to work. It's like it's a
hormone blocker. It stops sasterone from from being produced. If
you go off of it, it's gonna happen again. It's
not a permanent castration. It's gonna suppress testosterone. You know,
a popular medication for people with heart problems is also
a highly explosive compound. Oh no, can be used in

(37:06):
different ways. It's yeah, like like cancer victims are found
with dihydrogen mono oxide in their system. Like so, but yeah, anyway,
we're gonna see a lot of We're gonna see a
lot of lives about HRT coming up soon because that
this Matt Walsh talking about it is going to be stupid.
But again he doesn't understand the science. Obviously he's a propagantist. Um.
But the last thing I want to talk about, here's

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what's gonna be happening in cort aline idaho. Um So,
taking taking their cue from the I'm gonna be I'm quoting,
I'm going to quote an article here by by Daily Costs. Uh.
They did a really a really really good write up.
David Newars wrote it. David David NewART for the record,

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Like the thing that he has been this beat that
that we're in, like writing about these people, David's been
doing it for like thirty years. He's he's amazing, He's incredible.
So I'm gonna I'm gonna quote from him here. This
is the last thing we'll We'll close with um taking
a queue from the incoming tide of far right fearmongering
about grooming and an lgbt Q agenda in schools and libraries.

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A group of Idaho biker militiamen are planning to show
up to confront people celebrating pride at an event in
downtown quarter Laine, Idaho, and in a public park next month.
Two men from the leadership of Panhandle Patriots, a militia
oriented bikers club based in northern Idaho. Justin Allen, the
group's vice president, and Jeff White, it's sergeant at arms,

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told a recent gathering at a church hosted by Republican
state house member Heather Scott that they plan to have
a gun driven event next month in Quarterly in Idaho,
the same day as this city's pride celebration at a
park less than a mile away, and they planned a confrontation. UM.
I'm going to play a clip of them announcing this, uh,

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and yeah, give it a listen. These parades or government
funded many of you aren't aware right now. In court Alaine,
on the tenth of June, there is Family Day, and
in Family Day they are promoting family values, activities and everything.
The very following day, they're having Gay Pride Day in

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the very same park the very next day, where they
will be allowed to parade through all of Court a lane, drag,
queen dancers, education, our making all this material available for
all the kids in a park that is designed for kids.
We are having an event the very same day. That

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very same day, we actually intend to go head to
head with these people. A line must be drawn in
the sand. Good people need to stand up. As she
was talking about the repercussions, we say, damn the repercussions.
Stand up, take it to the head, go to the
fight if you can possibly. We know a lot of

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you are monitored. We live in Bonner County. We are
fighting in multiple counties. We are asking for all of
you to come stand with us. Our event is advertised
as gun to Lane because it's an anniversary of when
we stood to protect our community. We're standing again to
protect our community. We shifted our date to be available

(40:32):
to go head to head with these people. They are
trying to take your children. This fight is not just paper,
it's not just words, it's not just politicians. They have
to see people standing in their facing no more so. Wow,
that sucked, uh and is entirely entirely expected. Um so.

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The the meeting at the at this church, read by
a Republican House member, was titled the Game Plan to
Remove inappropriate Materials in our Schools and Libraries. It was
It was held at a Calvary chapel in a small
town north of Sandpoint, Idaho. Scott is a long history

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associations and identifications with the far right patriot movement, specifically
in Idaho, and it was bad um. Heather Scott, the
Republican state house member. About an hour into the night, Uh.
Scott invited the two militia dudes up to the podium
to speak, and they said that so yeah, it's in

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In a flyer posted by the Panhandle Patriots advertising their
planned conversation at at at at Pride at at a
flyer that they made shows shows a drag queen reading
at a public library and urges people to join in
and standing up against the indoctrination and grooming of our children.
And if you don't protect children. You are part of
the problem them. So yeah, they're planning to take a

(42:02):
hole bunch of guns the same day as a Pride parade,
and we'll see what happens. Um. I love that. That's that,
We're just going to see what happens. You and I
jenuine very incredibly deeply hope we're not reporting on the
result of that, because yep. So anyway, before you share

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can get Pride discourse. I think this is what happens.
This is what happens when you engage this in this
type of rhetoric, that queer sexuality is inherently more dangerous
to kids. Because anyway, I'm sad. Now, yeah, this isn't
really an upper of an episode. Um, you don't say,

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but it's it is important to talk about. Um. So
if you're going to Pride this year, please be careful
because there's a lot of a lot of worsening attacks
on queer people. Bring a knife back. You shouldn't have to,
You shouldn't have to do this. But this is anyway,

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