September 18, 2024 • 47 mins
Garrison is joined by Mia and James to read from their collection of Heritage Foundation 'Gender Ideology' pamphlets obtained at the RNC.
https://www.latimes.com/opinion/story/2023-03-28/opinion-gender-affirming-care-is-not-new-or-experimental
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9793415/
https://www.cnn.com/2018/02/16/health/ohio-transgender-teen-hearing-judge-decision/index.html
https://themicheab.medium.com/breaking-down-point-5-of-gender-ideology-harms-children-cf1b9beb7d4
https://www.damemagazine.com/2023/08/14/the-gop-has-a-master-plan-to-criminalize-being-trans/
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Cool Zone Media.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
Welcome to it could happen here. My name is Garrison Davis.
I am joined by James Stout and Nia Wong to
talk about some of our favorite people to hate, the
Heritage Foundation. Hello everybody, Hi Garrison.
Speaker 3 (00:18):
Hello, Oh god, I got brought in talk the Heritage Foundation.
Speaker 2 (00:22):
Oh no, what a week? What a week? So I mean,
people have been talking a lot about the Heritage Foundation's
Project twenty twenty five because it is a massive, massive
document that is honestly too long to actually read, but
it does. It does focus on LGBTQ issues for a
decent a decent chunk of the book, mainly finding different
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ways to both legalize and protect discrimination against LGBTQ people
and like banning the public presence of LGBTQ materials deemed
deemed pornographic in public life, especially a schools, libraries, all
that kind of stuff. Right, It's kind of this nationwide
don't say gay bill type thing, along with legalizing it
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and protecting people's people's right to discriminate against for people.
So that's kind of the bulk of the of the
of the tactics that are laid out in the Heritage
Foundation's Project twenty twenty five. But Trump and a whole
bunch of Republicans have been doing a lot of work
to distance themselves from this document. At the RNC, I
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was kind of surprised that, like, I did not hear
a single, a single mention of Project twenty twenty five
unless I was the one to bring it up when
talking with people. They didn't. They didn't like talking about
it because they know it's kind of this, like this
toxic thing.
Speaker 4 (01:41):
Now.
Speaker 2 (01:42):
They kind of showed their power level to use an
ancient phrase.
Speaker 3 (01:47):
Yeah, who could possibly have guessed for the document where
they talk about bringing back the gold standard was going
to be unpopular with literally everyone, including their own base.
Speaker 2 (01:55):
Yeah. I mean, I don't think that's the reason why
it's unpopular. I think it's all of like the dictator
fascism stuff. But the gold standard bit's pretty funny. Even
at the Heritage Foundation booth, not a peep about Project
twenty twenty five. It's like the biggest thing they've done
in like the in the last decade. Arguably, not a
single peep. But they did have a whole bunch of
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other like merch, a whole bunch of little pamphlets. Papers.
I love papers, I love little documents.
Speaker 4 (02:23):
Little ephemera, printed epemera.
Speaker 2 (02:26):
Yeah, I love collecting all this little stuff. And it
just sits on a pile on my desk for like,
way too long. And in this case, it's set on
a pile on my desk for about two months and
the pile became too big and too unruly. And now
we're going to actually go through the pile of stuff,
right and talk about the types of things that the
Heritage Foundation actually did have out on their table, specifically
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relating to gender identity. Oh good, which is their term
of choice for these issues. Now, Like gender identity quote
unquote transgender ism were were frequent talking points at the
Republican National Convention, way more so than the Democratic National Convention,
in which they were kind of just brushed aside as
a political inconvenience. But at the R and C these
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things were front and center. Almost every single person giving
a speech on the main stage at least name dropped
gender ideology in some way to receive thunderous applause from
the crowd. So it certainly was a very common topic
brought up. And here's what the actual literature that was
proliferating at the event had to say about it. So
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let's start. Let's start penphlet number one, how to speak
up about gender identity, Questions and answers driving the debate,
so it's a debate. Is the first thing we want?
We need to know about gender identity? Again, I'm not
just reading out all of their propaganda. I think there
is some use in actually learning what they're saying in
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like their biggest convention and then actually not like debunking
because like, come on, I know who are audiences, but
at least actually laying out what they're saying and how
it relates to like the actual information I think does
does have sub use. So will I will be quoting
from the Heritage Foundation saying some pretty stupid things, but
then we will kind of springboard discussion, and I do
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have some little effect checks on some of the like
these very common lies that you're now seeing like get
repeated so often you may be trying to be tricked
into thinking that they are real. So we're going to
tackle the quote unquote the big questions, what are sex,
gender and gender identity. I'm sure this five page pamphlet
will tell me all I need to know about the
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topics of what our sex gender, gender identity.
Speaker 4 (04:39):
Yeah, I can't wait to learn.
Speaker 2 (04:41):
They figured it out. They figured it out, there's this
Centuries long discussions have been resolved. What do gender dyspory
and transgender mean? And how do gender identity policies affect
me and my community? I think this is largely targeted
towards like I mean, it's turned towards people at the RNC,
so like people in like their sixties, like grandparents.
Speaker 4 (05:03):
Yeah, is this so how to talk to your friend
about the transgenders book? Kind of?
Speaker 2 (05:07):
Kind of it's more so like, oh, no, your grandkids
are maybe a little gay with it?
Speaker 4 (05:16):
Grandchild?
Speaker 2 (05:16):
Exactly? What does that mean? What is that about? I
think that's kind of what the main the main demographic is. Okay, anyway,
here we go. The common understanding that there are only
two sexes and human beings male and female, determined by
each person's biology, has been the cultural norm and the
basis for our laws since our nation's founding. Though, has it?
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That's a good question.
Speaker 4 (05:41):
I'm not going to do this because I will take
fucking an hour, but this isn't true.
Speaker 2 (05:45):
It will? I know. Obviously they're not going to mention
intersex people. They're not going to mention any any of
that stuff.
Speaker 4 (05:50):
Yeah, or that like every indigenous culture has multiple gender words.
Speaker 2 (05:55):
Yeah no, no, no, no, we'll just leave that out because
only recently have we seen a shift away from this
objective and scientific no citation understanding towards an ideology that
says a person's gender is determined by what they believe
they are parenthesis gender identity rather than their biological sex,
and should be legally recognized. The transgender movement has rapidly
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advanced laws and policies that give special rights and protections
to some people while infringing on the rights of others. Now,
this is a talking point that was brought up a
lot when I was a kid around trans people. How
they have special laws that give them more rights than
your average person. And that's why, like a good like
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conservative basis should be opposed to them, even if you're like,
you know, an accepting you may not like agree with them,
but you're not going to kill them, but they shouldn't
have like extra rights. That was a big thing is framing,
Framing things that either protect trans people from discrimination or
framing things that ensure their healthcare as like special extra
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rights not provided to like regular regular Americans.
Speaker 3 (07:06):
Yeah, this is like a huge thing with just the
basis of all political conservatism is they all believe that,
like like, they all believe that immigrants have like a
secret healthcare system that they have access to, and that
like black people have like welfare, and that like indigenous
people get into schools for free.
Speaker 2 (07:21):
And it's just like yep, No, it's all based on
never talking to anyone who isn't like you. Yeah, in
addressing the conflicts that emerge. In addressing the conflicts that emerge,
what are you talking about? The government must protect everyone's
rights and fundamental freedoms. The introduction of the concept of
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gender identity into recent legislation raises concerns about privacy, safety, fairness, liberty,
and its impact on children. It threatens the freedom of
religion and conscience. What the freedom of conscience?
Speaker 4 (07:59):
What is mean?
Speaker 2 (08:02):
Because it's not just a religious objection. My conscience tells
me that trans people are icky.
Speaker 3 (08:09):
Tells me I should have this person's house. Is that
let me have it? I mean it should yeah.
Speaker 4 (08:13):
Yeah, yeah, my gons just tells me a whole lot
of shit. It means you can't not like trans people.
The government's going to come for you if you don't
like trans people.
Speaker 2 (08:21):
Is that what they mean? I think they are legitimately
scared of that. Yeah, okay, but it also threatens freedom
of speech, equal protection, and parental rights. This radical redefinition
of sex could dramatically alter our society, creating significant disadvantages
for some, particularly women and girls. Okay, all right, so
there we go. There that's that's that is. That is
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the introduction. Now onto page two. All individuals have human
dignity and should be treated with respect citation needed, including
those who identify as transgender and know they're very careful
to never actually say trans people a transgender people. There's
people who identify transgender, and there's there's transgender activists and
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gender ideology activists. They take great care to never actually
say trans people are doing this. They say transactivists are
doing this, right, increates this degree of separation. That's one
kind of a little rhetorical tactic that I noticed when
first looking through this.
Speaker 3 (09:22):
Yeah, I think there's this also kind of a legacy
of the sort of trans tipping point and how accepted
things had gotten. We're like, I remember this with like
Alex Jones in like like even like twenty twenty two,
twenty twenty three would say, like the most transphobic thing
you've ever heard, but it would be prefaced with some
trans people are fine people.
Speaker 2 (09:41):
I don't mean this to take people then say like
coming to rape your dog or something. Yeah, yeah, anyway.
But by labeling realistic concerns and scientific objections as oppressive,
transgender activists have shut down open, robust dialogue over the
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consequences of gender ideology and gender identity policies. The serious
real world effects of gender identity policies on individuals and
communities must be taken into consideration. Many treatments promoted by
transgender activists are untested, can cause serious side effects, and
come with irreversible developmental consequences when performed on children. So
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this is this is my first kind of pause, because
this is a claim that we've been seeing, i would say,
at an increasing rate ever since Matt Walsh's documentary. This
is like one thing that he really tried to like
invent specifically that like quote unquote like puberty blockers cause
like sterilization and like, yeah, you can't reproduce when you're
on them, obviously, but you can when you go off them.
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But that's something that like they never talk about. They
frame it as like this permanent thing. Samantha Rosenthal has
an independent piece in the La Times that talks about
like the very long history of trans healthcare in the
United States. Modern trans healthcare goes back to the nineteen sixties,
and hormone therapy has been used to assist cisgender children
in puberty since at least the nineteen forties. These these
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things are not untested. These are medical practices with a
long history. And saying that there's there's irreversible developmental consequences
when performed on children, like the FDA approved hormone blockers
for children back in nineteen ninety three. We've been using
these for quite a long time, and these false claims
are actually causing some like significant harm. I'm going to
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quote from ABC News here. Quote. England's National Health Service
has banned the use of puberty blockers for the treatment
of gendernyspia, or gender incongruence in transgender minors. The NHS
has not stated it will restrict puberty blockers for non
transgender children and young people. An NHS bookesperson told ABC
News the agency hopes to have a study into the
use of puberty blockers in place by December of this year,
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with eligibility criteria yet to be decided unquote. So they
are just like starting to ban these. And of course
we've seen this in the United States as well, but
this is like the National Health Service. This is like
a really a really big organization that's only banning it
for trans people, not for cis gender children. So like
it's really devastating.
Speaker 3 (12:08):
I think it's important to note too that this is
the exact one of the exact same lines that anti
vaxxers use, and you know that's anti vax campaigns have
been a lot of these sort of model for how
how a tax and TRANSOUTHCIA works. But like, yeah, this
is this is literally the line that these same people
will say about vaccines. It's like, oh, the RNA vaccine
is like untested. Yeah, we tested in a motion of
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population and everyone's fine.
Speaker 4 (12:33):
So you know, I did a clinical trial for COVID
vaccines before they were ready, did thousands of other people?
Speaker 2 (12:41):
Yeah? No. And in terms of puberty blockers, these have
been used and tested for decades, Like these are not
a new technology.
Speaker 3 (12:47):
It's it's even funnier because again it's like, well, well okay,
so like we we will give them to CIST children.
Speaker 2 (12:56):
With this stuff. It shows I think it is I'm
I read one other quote from a s ABC article
quote The Endocrine Society and a national organization of more
than eighteen thousand ender chronologists, calls the medication quote unquote
fully reversible. Once blockers are stopped, puberty continues with little
to no proven side effects, according to health professionals unquote.
And there was a recent study in twenty twenty two
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in the journal Jama which found the use of puberty
blocking drugs did not lead to an increased chance of
receiving gender affirming therapy in the future, and actually we're
slightly less likely to given the extra time to explore
gender in the body without the onset of irreversible effects
of puberty. Possible bone density losses largely remediated upon the
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presence of sex hormones, whether from either just to ceasing
the blockers or starting HRT. And this study also says
at the end that perhaps we should just stop using
the term puberty blocker, because it makes it sound like
it just completely blocks puberty, like from ever happening, like
it just is like now you don't go through puberty,
and instead opts to say, like, maybe we should just
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describe what the drug does mechanistically and clinically, because maybe
maybe puberty blockers is just a it implies something more
than what the drug actually like does temporarily. Yeah, so
I found that to be an interesting note. And the
whole point of of and this something well probably talk
about later. The whole point of this drug is so
that you can have more time to actually decide what
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you want to do with your body and your gender.
And most people that do go on blockers, whether SIS
or not, are doing it to prevent irreversible changes from puberty.
And most people opt to not actually go on cross
sex hormones. And that's like a successful treatment, Like that
is that that is what the drug is supposed to do.
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But there's definitely this idea among these like anti transactivists
that like, if you go on blockers, that means you're
more likely to become quote unquote like fully trends in
the future, which also just like isn't true. But do
you know what is reversible.
Speaker 3 (14:56):
Not liking their products and services and support this podcast.
Speaker 2 (14:59):
You can reverse that and make it so you really
like them, which helps us a little bit. Probably, I assume.
I don't know. I don't think so, I don't. I don't.
I don't do the business thing. Anyway, here are the ads. Okay,
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we are back. Let's uh, let let's continue with this
fine literature from our good enemies at the Heritage Foundation.
Speaker 4 (15:29):
Yeah. Great art and layout.
Speaker 2 (15:31):
That's what I'm noticing. It's it is. It is very
well designed. Yeah, there's these there are some children, these
poor kids, these poor stock photos of children. Yeah. Yeah,
I'm sure they.
Speaker 4 (15:42):
I'm sure they gave the heartfelt consent to being used
in it hate propaganda.
Speaker 2 (15:48):
The next section is called what are sex, gender and
gender identity? The best biology, psychology, and philosophy all support
and understanding that sex is a bodily reality and that
gender is a social manifestation of bodily sex. The best biology.
That's simply the best philosophy. Oh my gods. Now this
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claim actually does have a citation, so it's true. Now
let me check the citation. The citation is oh oh
oh wait, wait wait oh. The citation is when Harry
became Sally responding to the transgender movement, The Anti trans
Book of twenty eighteen by Ryan T. Anderson. Oh God,
that's not a real philosophy, biology or psychology book. Oh okay, well.
Speaker 4 (16:41):
He won best Philosopher anyway, I don't know what you're
talking about.
Speaker 2 (16:45):
The best all agree, that's so good now. Sex Sex
is a biological reality referring to an organism's overall organization
towards sexual reproduction in human beings, just like every other
species that's sexually rep This organism includes the chromosomes we
inherit from our parents and the reproductive organs systems sheenitalia
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and hormones that developed. As a consequence. As there are
two reproductive systems, there are two sexes, just like every
other species that sectually reproduces. This is completely consistent. I
get no citation because that's not That is not how
biology actually works. No, nor is your genitalia necessarily determined
by your chromosomes. Nope? But sure, why not the best biology?
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All support this understanding there, Yeah, the best biology from
a first grade textbook. Ye.
Speaker 3 (17:39):
Actually, that's unfair to first grade textbooks, which are largely
blameless in this matter.
Speaker 2 (17:42):
It is. It is unfair.
Speaker 4 (17:44):
Yeah, No one's sticking genitalia in a first grade textbook.
Speaker 2 (17:48):
This organization. Isn't just the best way to figure out
which sex you are, it's the only way to make
sense of the concepts of male and female. Really really,
yeah the way. Yeah, What an interesting sociological statement made
by the Heritage Foundation that the only differences are purely
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mechanistical and there really is no social basis that determines
what the concepts in male and female relate to. What
an interesting opinion that I'm sure is consistent across all
of the Heritage Foundations.
Speaker 4 (18:20):
And yeah, it's going to say, you can pull out
another booklet and call them on their shit with their
own words.
Speaker 2 (18:26):
Gender, by contrast, is the way one expresses their biological sex.
We shouldn't pretend that there are no differences between male
and female, because biological reality is that there are. We
also shouldn't be trapped in rigid gender stereotypes. Transgender activists
deny that sex is a bodily reality. They argue, once
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it's perceived, gender I entity represents to a person really is,
even if it goes against their biological sex. They deny
their biological reality by suggesting that biological sex was merely
assigned at birth. A little known fun fact, you actually
can like scientifically change your biological sex. Yeah, rules, it
takes a little bit of time, it takes a little
bit of effort, but your biological sex can actually just
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be like a completely changed. This is something that is
not like set.
Speaker 3 (19:11):
Also, there is literally, there is literally physically a document
where your doctor assigns.
Speaker 2 (19:17):
You a sex birth. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (19:21):
No, it is a box that they must tick. It's
not even like a not a line that they get
to write in whatever they want, you know.
Speaker 2 (19:28):
Like no, But the cool thing is is that when
you change with sex hormones your body is dominant in
it actually changes the sex and the functions of your body.
Pretty interesting stuff. Actually, I don't care about my chromosomes,
but as soon as we want to do more gene tampering,
I guess that that could be fun, but I don't
really care. You can also change body parts, so that's cool.
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I know they're working on those womb transplants, but I'm
not into that freaky stuff anyway. According to the American
Psychological Association, gender identity refers to a person's internal sense
of being male, female, or something else, hey, something else nice.
It is distinct from either sex or gender. Activists claim
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that it is a person's internal sense of gender, activists claim.
They also assert that it's more than just male or female.
It's fluid, and there's a spectrum of various options beyond
man and woman, like a gender fluid, intergender, or non binary.
I've never heard the term intergender before.
Speaker 4 (20:28):
That's yeah, that's it's a new one. But I guess
if that knowledge the existence of intersex people, that kind
of fucks up the premise of that whole thing.
Speaker 2 (20:37):
No, this is inter maybe.
Speaker 3 (20:38):
That's yeah, but yeah, maybe maybe that's what it is.
They can't say intersect. Yeah, that destroys their whole ship.
They've trisposed.
Speaker 2 (20:47):
Intersex isn't like an identity, it's like an actual, like
completely like medical thing.
Speaker 4 (20:52):
I don't think that they fully understand this shit, Garrison.
I think it's it's.
Speaker 2 (20:57):
You're right, You're sorry, Sorry, I forgot. I'm reading from
a heritage.
Speaker 4 (21:01):
They may be coming from a place of hate.
Speaker 2 (21:04):
All right, let's talk about gender dysphoria, now, let's gender
dysphoria refers to the distress someone experiences when they have
a disconnection between their bodily sex and internal sense of gender.
The diagnostic label gender identity disorder was used by the
DSM until it's reclassification as a gender dysphoria in twenty
thirteen with the release of the DSM five. They really
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want that old DSM back. They want it so bad
before the DSM went woke. They really want DSM four.
Transgender can refer to a man who identifies as a
woman or a woman who identifies as man some activists.
Some activists go so far as to say that a
trans woman is a woman. Crazy. Not all people who
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suffer from gender dysphoria identify as transgender, Not everyone who
dentifies as transgender except from gender dysphoria. Surprisingly woke statement.
It's a surprisingly controversial and woke statement from Heritage Foundation here,
anti transman, anti truth, coum a foundation, What the fuck base?
Speaker 3 (22:06):
It's the seven people who get that. You're welcome for
everyone else. I swear to God, that's very funny.
Speaker 2 (22:13):
It's a little funny. Oh funny. I was workshopping some
kind of like Tumblr post style joke. But I still
have like two pages of this pamphlet. So now, how
do gender identity policies affect me and my community? The
question on every Republican grandparents mind. The first area of
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concern privacy. Privacy concerns arise when a men who identify
you as women can enter female only spaces, for example,
changing rooms, gym class. They're doing bathroom stuff, that's what
they're doing. The reason we have separate facilities in the
first place is not because of a gender identity, but
because of the bodily difference between males and females. That's interesting.
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I wonder what happens when some of those bodily differences
start to change, or your social rules in mel fem
walill also change, Like a young trans girl going into
the men's bathroom. That could maybe a little bit uncomfortable anyway.
Preventing sexual assault is another major area of concern when
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gender identity determines who may enter a women only space.
Public safety experts such as Kenneth V. Lanning, former FBI
Supervisory Special Agent assigned to the Behavioral Science Unit. They're
doing the Buffalo Bill at the National Center for the
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Analysis of Violent Crime at the FBI Academy for over
twenty years. It is just the Buffalo Bill. Guy explains
that predators abuse gender and the policies to gain access
to victims. While victims law enforcement become less likely to
report incidents for fear of having misunderstood and being accused
of discrimination. The primary concern is not that people who
identify as trends will victimize women, but that predators will
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exploit to gender identity policies to do so. So this
is interesting. They're actually not doing all trans women are
secretly rapists. They are doing the what is actually more
like more legit is that no, like men will be
fucked up and men will like do fucked up shit.
The thing is they don't need those policies to do
fucked up shit. Men will do it regardless.
Speaker 3 (24:24):
You are the Heritage Foundation, your your base, your entire
base are chuck is composed of churches who do this
literally every day, Like come on, what are we doing here?
Speaker 2 (24:33):
But I find it interesting that they take this line
of approach.
Speaker 3 (24:37):
I will say, this pamphlet feels like a much more
sort of moderate So this feels like a gateway thing
versus like the stuff that they're so that they actually believe,
or like the sort of like more hardcore stuff that
they they distribute.
Speaker 2 (24:51):
Well, I'm not sure how to how to segue to
an ad break from this one. I'll be honest, you know,
what else the Heritage Foundation supports. Oh well, that is
true capitalism and these ads that help fuel the turning
machine of death and suffering. Haha, Okay, we are back.
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Let's talk about fairness. Gener Entity creates an unfairness when
biological males. Biological males compete against females in sports and
other activities. It also reduces girdle chances of winning athletic scholarships.
Speaker 4 (25:35):
The idea fucking title nine defense every.
Speaker 2 (25:39):
Time scholar I'm sure all those trends girls are taken
of all the scholarships.
Speaker 4 (25:45):
Yeah, let's just let's just see where the Heritage Foundation
stood on fucking title nine, shall we when that came in.
Speaker 2 (25:50):
I'm sure they were totally supportive. Already, several high school
girls have lost state championships. Is to quote boys who
were allowed to compete against them. These two boys have
won fifteen girls state championships that were held by ten
females in the previous year. I tried to search some
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of these keywords to find exactly what they were talking about.
The first result was from the reputable news publication the
Daily Signal, which is a Heritage Foundation puppet site, and
the article is just listing like a handful of like
trans girls across the country who participated in school sports.
And that's like, that's like all it is. And then
of particular interest to James this next sentence, Oh, god,
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fucking man who identifies this some transgender? Well that's that's
an interesting one. A man who identifies as a transgender
has also won the women's cycling World's title.
Speaker 4 (26:51):
I know who they're talking about here. This is someone
called for Runica Ivy. She was formerly known as Raychel
mccannon when she won the world title. Okay, she won
a UCI Women's Master's Track World Championship. If you want
to find an event where gender affirming hormones are used
on a regular basis, I suggest you check out the
Men's Masters World Championship because every fucking year one of
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those dudes gets popped for using testosterone. And like, I
don't see that in the Heritage Foundation's complaints, Like this
is just asshole, really, they've she has been a particular
target for these people. Cycling has been a particular target
for these people for a very long time, and it's
very funny that they continue to like put out this
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propaganda which completely misunderstands, like the things that let you
win the Master's track World Championship are having money and
having time, Like it is inherently unfair. It's it's a
hobby sport, right, thirty five to forty four. There are
not professional athletes in that age group, like the people
doing this. So the people who have the time and
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the money, they buy the fancy bikes, they travel to
the race. It's if you care, If you care about
fairness in master's cycling, there are a million other places
to go after it.
Speaker 2 (28:07):
This is bullshit. Well it's so it's so transparent because
now the biggest trans sports controversy has been over a
cist gender woman who just is appearing too masculine, right
like, like the biggest thing, the biggest controversy in this whole
trans women and sports thing at the Olympics ear earlier
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this year is just actually a cist gender woman.
Speaker 4 (28:31):
Yeah, but that's the whole thing, right Like, policing the
way people present their gender is what this is about
for them.
Speaker 2 (28:38):
Yeah, and they're willing to throw anyone under the bus
as long as it like puts forward like whatever disinformation
they want with the soul purpose of just changing public opinion,
not actually like caring about any of the people involved here.
Speaker 4 (28:51):
Yeah, but like a return to like I don't even
think traditional gender roles, but like, let's just say nineteen
thirties gender roles, not even nineteen thirties, right, women fighting
in the spanishl War in the nineteen thirty.
Speaker 2 (29:02):
It's Victorian England gender rules.
Speaker 4 (29:04):
Yeah, totally, Like it is what they want, and like
they're not throwing imonically funded a bus so much. She
is part of a target because she's not a girly
enough girl, right, she's a woman who punches other people
in the face, and like that's not collateral damage to me.
Like that is part of their thing, right, Yeah, it's
(29:24):
not coincidental, but it was a boxer.
Speaker 2 (29:27):
It's part of their larger political project. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (29:30):
Yeah, and obviously it's also their conception of womanhood is
also highly racialized, yes, obvious reasons.
Speaker 4 (29:37):
Yeah, it's not coincidental there's an African woman, right.
Speaker 2 (29:40):
No, many of the trans girls who are listed in
the Daily Signal article or transgirls of color that, yeah,
that is who they're going after. They're going after like
the most oppressed person and you can be in the country. Yeah.
Now onto onto one of our final chapters how transgenderism
affects your personal liberty transgenderism. That's a good one. Trans
Gender policies also violate our freedom of speech and freedom
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of conscience by forcing people to speak or act in
ways contrary to their personal judgment and deeply held beliefs.
In New York City, you can be fined up to
two hundred and fifty thousand dollars for misgendering. What's the
citation that they do have a citation? Okay, hit me,
they do, go to the NYC Commission, and this isn't true.
(30:25):
Despite the citation, they're trying to take like a city
ordinance and twist it to make it sound like you
will be fined a quarter of a million dollars for
calling someone the wrong pronouns. And that's not what the
audience is. Yeah, it's employment law, right correct. It was
first written in the early two thousands. It was then
revised in twenty fifteen. I'm going to quote from Snopes
quote discrimination it gets a transgender individual could resultant finds
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to up to two hundred and fifty thousand dollars. But
these fines won't be handed out for accidentally misusing pronouns.
According to the new guidelines, the Commission can impose civil
penalties up to one hundred and twenty five thousand dollars
for violations of the law, and extreme circumstances two hundred
and fifty thousand for violations that are the result of wilful,
wanton and malicious conduct. Yeah, this is for like employment discrimination.
Speaker 3 (31:10):
Yeah, employment discrimination happens literally all the time, and it
never there's almost ever conspluses for it.
Speaker 2 (31:16):
Yeah, but that's where this number comes from, right.
Speaker 4 (31:19):
And it's completely misleading to suggest it like the work
police to get to find you.
Speaker 2 (31:24):
Correct, And it's not for misusing pronouns. It's for like
extreme cases of like continuous harassment or like like like
legal discrimination. The next sentence is, quote, both a high
school teacher and a college professor have been sanctioned by
their employers for using biologically correct terms with their students.
Speaker 4 (31:44):
Se Jordan Peterson.
Speaker 2 (31:46):
Now, obviously those terms are not biologically correct because you
can scientifically change your biological sex. And what they're talking
about here is no just teachers who are just like
harassing their students, who are like calling them by like
the wrong name, calling them by the wrong pronouns, like
if you did that like assist person over time. Yeah,
you would also get in trouble because that's just like harassment.
Speaker 4 (32:05):
Yeah yeah, and like you're just a shit teacher. If
you're fucking going after your students for who they are,
then yeah, you probably shouldn't be a teacher.
Speaker 2 (32:14):
They then talk about how transactivists are trying to get
medical providers to provide like gender firming health care. They're
complaining how Catholic hospitals are getting in trouble for not
wanting to do gender firming health care. They talk about
like an Obama mandate that forces health care plans to
cover gender firming health care and making sure that physicians
(32:37):
actually have to do it even if they personally like
don't want to be like no, this is like your job.
You have to provide health care. So they complain about
all that kind of stuff, and then the last section
of the pamphlet is on child development. TRANSNT ideology is
now promoted in schools where children are taught that gender
is fluid, falls along a spectrum, and is detached from
bodily sex. In addition, activists seek to punish anyone who
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expresses anyone'serveces about radical treatment plans for gender dysphoric children.
These plans can include socially transitioning children as young as four,
administering puberty blocking drugs as young as nine, cross sex
hormones as a young as fourteen, and surgery as young
as eighteen. This ideology threatens parental rights. In Ohio, a
Catholic family lost custody of their daughter when they oppose
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treatment of gender dysphoria with cross sex hormones. So, actually,
this is actually a pretty good breakdown of like how
gender like affirming healthcare could work. Is Yeah, if a
kid wants to like socially start transitioning very young and
they want to, yes, that's great, there's no harm in that.
If getting on puberty blockers at around nine, that makes sense,
(33:42):
hormones as a teenager, yeah, and surgery maybe a little
bit later. Yeah, that all seems quite quite reasonable. And
in terms of this Catholic family, So a transfer of
parents lost custody of their seventeen year old trans son
in twenty eighteen after inducing suicidal idea for refusing to
let their child receive hormone therapy prescribed by a medical
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team who had been treating the child for two years.
Custody was transferred to his grandparents. So this wasn't the
state just like stealing this child away. It's like, no,
you're like basically abusing this kid, So we're going to
move custody over to the grandparents. Also, like you're opposing
this for a seventeen year old, this is almost like
a full legal adult. I'm going to qute from CNN here. Quote.
The parents' attorney had argued that the child was not
(34:25):
even quote close to being able to make such a
life altering decision at this time. Unquote. The county prosecuting
attorney argued that the parents wanted to stop the treatment
because it violated their religious beliefs unquote. So yeah, you're
so scared that this seventeen year old is going to
make a choice that you personally find a little bit icky,
Like ka'bah.
Speaker 4 (34:43):
Yeah, I'm pretty sure you can legally I emantipate yourself
at seventeen, right.
Speaker 2 (34:47):
Yeah, and usually you have like medical freedom, at least
in an Oregon you have medical freedom at sixteen. I
don't know what the case by case basis is in
a lot of states. Yeah, but that's that's pretty fucked up. Now,
there is nothing in coverage about this family being Catholic
heritage might be conflating this other story from Indiana where
Catholic family lost custody of their transkid in twenty twenty
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one for alleged child abuse, and then earlier this year,
the Supreme Court declined to hear the parents' case. So
so there you go, big health for them. They then
talk about quote unquote research, what the research says about transition.
The view that social medical transition is the appropriate treatment
for people, including children, who feel at odds with their
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biological sex, is becoming more widely accepted. However, transitioning treatment,
including puberty blocking hormones for children and sex change surgeries
for teens and adults, come with serious consequences. Today, parents
are told that puberty blockers and cross sex hormones may
be the only way to prevent their child from committing suicide. However,
according to the DSM five, as many as ninety eight
(35:52):
percent of gender confused boys and eighty eight percent of
gender confused girls eventually accept their biological sex after naturally
passing through puberty. Okay, let's go over this because there's
some weird phrasing here, Because no, that's not it. That's
all with the DSM, actually, says A writer named Micah
b broke down this claim in a medium post from
twenty eighteen. This exact sentence has been reusing a lot
(36:15):
of like writing publications over time, so accept their biological
sex after naturally passing through puberty. It's a very like
loaded phrase. Like a child who suffers from genitusphoria may
receive like treatment, whether that's through like like speech therapy
like talking about it with with the therapist, or hormone blockers,
(36:35):
and they may then choose to cease treatment and go
through their natural puberty. Right like that is, but yeah,
that's not them like like qu one unquote like naturally
passing through puberty. Like no, that that also involves a
degree of treatment. Now, the reason why these numbers are
might be a little bit kind of odd and also
they're just false, like the way that they're like being
framed here. But in particular for kids, like the criteria
(36:59):
for children and having genitysphoria is different from the criteria
for teens and adults, right, those mean different things. They
also say as many as ninety eight percent as many
reason I'm saying because the DSM five actually says that
quote in natal males, persistence has ranged from two point
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two percent to thirty percent. In natal females, persistence has
ranged from twelve percent to fifty percent. So they took
the lowest possible number and switched the stat around by
saying that as many as ninety eight percent eventually accept
their quote unquote biological sex. So that's that's a cute
little little flip around. And then also, according to the DSM,
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a majority of boys sixty three to one hundred percent
who quote unquote grow out of gend dysphoria just later
turn out to be gay. Right, there is a difference
between like gender dysphoria versus like gender deviance. That's why you, yeah,
you should like work with an actual medical team if
you have like a kid who's like pre puberty, who
has a degree of gender variance, because yeah, that could
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result in a whole bunch of a whole bunch of things,
and the fact that some of them just grow up
to be like gay kids is like the result of
like successful medical treatment, and like it's like like a
loving family, Like that is a good outcome. Similarly, the
DSM says that thirty two to fifty percent of girls
whose gender dysphoria does not persist later identify as gay.
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So there we go. That's pretty pretty pretty average stuff.
They then go onto list all of the quote unquote
side effects of gender affirming treatment, saying quote meanwhile, radical
gender affirming therapies post serious medical risks, including disfiguring acne,
high blood pressure, weight gain, abnormal glucose tolerance, breast cancer,
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liver disease, thermioprosis, and cardiovascular disease. These are all the
consequences of just puberty. Yeah, like, depending on what puberty
you go through, Yeah, it's gonna have different effects. That's
just how puberty worries. They also include uh, and of
course sterility, and this is this is still a hotly
(39:10):
debated topic. There are some recent studies that show that
there's actually a pretty good chance of people who go
on estrogen being able to like regain fertility after after
like a six months of ceasing treatment. It's not consistent, right,
everyone who everyone who goes on like HRT has an
understanding that it can affect how they reproduce in the future.
(39:32):
You're definitely encouraged to, like, if you want to have
kids or think you might want to have kids in
the future, Like you can save your sperms, you can
save your eggs, you can you can get that stuff
ahead of time. Yeah, but this is also something that
people are like working on of being able to like
maintain the ability to have kids even like during or
like after. Gender affirming health care treatment has like commenced.
(39:54):
So that's cool. Finally, quote puberty blocking therapies and cross
sex hormones non reversible, largely untested, and highly dangerous, especially
for children. We've already we've already talked about how all
of that is not true. We've already gone through all
of that. Sex assignment surgeries have not been shown to
reduce the extraordinarily high rate of suicide attempts among people
who identify as transgender forty one percent compared to the
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general population's four point six percent. So this is also
just like not true, Like everything, it's just not true. Also,
there's no there's no citation here. A pear of you
studying the Journal of adlast in Health found that hormone
therapy for trans youth reduced the rate of depression and
suicide by forty percent. It also found that having like
parental support during this process also like heavily impacts the
(40:40):
effectiveness of this treatment, specifically on depression and suicide. Like
if if you're going through this treatment and your parents
still hate you, yeah, that's going to actually, it's going
to hurt the ability of this healthcare to actually be
effective mentally. An investigation by doctors of the University of
Washington found that trans youth who received gender if herming
healthcare reduced their risk of suicide by seventy three percent
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compared to those who do not receive care, and a
policy brief in the VA wrote quote. Since in nineteen
seventy five, more than two thousand scientific studies have examined
gender affirming care, supported by over thirty leading medical associations,
including the World Health Organization and the American Medical Association,
gender affirming care is deemed evidence based and effective at
reducing suicide rates. This is all widely understood. This is
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such like a non objectionable stance that even famous woke institution,
the VA, is like, yeah, no, it's actually really effective. Okay,
And now actually, finally, for this pamphlet quote, the most
helpful therapies for children experiencing gender dysphoria do not try
to remake the body to conform with thoughts and feelings,
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which is impossible, not impossible, but rather but rather to
help people find healthy ways to manage their tension and
move towards accepting the reality of their bodies. Unfortunately, fifteen
states have passed laws of banning talk therapy for miners
who struggle with gender dysphoria, and there's a bill in
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Congress which would do the same. There's no bill banning
talk therapy. This is a conversion therapy, bann This isn't
This isn't like actual talk therapy, which is a part
of like actual healthcare treatment. This is against like conversion therapy.
That is what they're actually talking about. So that is
the bulk of the pamphlet. I also got given this
this other kind of I think it's called a fact sheet,
(42:29):
which is ironic by the Heritage Action Group, which is
the kind of lobbying activist arm branch of Heritage. It
goes over a whole bunch of like the same stuff.
They particularly don't like that the Department of Education released
a report banning the use of offensive and inappropriate terms
like mother and father in school. This isn't true. What
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they're talking about is that there's been a push to
include this more gender neutral language, like instead of saying
your mom and dad, just say parents. Like, yeah, that
makes sense. That's specifically what they're complaining about. They complain
about like books and schools. They call The Gender Queer
a graphic novel, a book riddled with pornographic and pedophilic content.
(43:12):
Not true. It's just simply isn't true. All these kind
of old lies that we have talked about on the show,
like many times before. And then they also just rehash
a whole bunch of the claims from the other pamphlet.
They talk about the claim that in Virginia a girl
was actually assaulted by a teen boy pretending to be
a girl, and this is not an isolated incident. We've
talked about that claim before. This was a fake story
(43:33):
invented by the Daily Wire. This person was not trans.
This was someone who was in a relationship with this
girl who's actually assaulted her in a bathroom. Not a
trans person, just a regular CIS gender male. And then
they talk about sports. They talk about how men have
more upper body mass and that puberty blockers do not
change height, organ sized, skeletal structure, muscle mass or any
(43:56):
of the biological characteristics that make men unequal. Opponents absolutely
do hormones. Literally, they just list all the things that
hormones actually change, like, they actually famously do change all
of those things, height, skeletal structure, organ size, and muscle mass.
Those are the main things. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (44:12):
I mean, if that wasn't the case, you could just
take testosterone and it wouldn't affect you.
Speaker 2 (44:17):
Apparently, Yeah, famously testosterone never changes your muscle mass.
Speaker 4 (44:22):
Yeah, just and sounds stronger man who never benefited.
Speaker 2 (44:25):
They also complained about how the biing administration is want
of people to use preferred pronouns if you work in government,
which again is just trying to stop people from like
harassing by using the wrong pronouns. It's it's all just
ways to prevent harassment. And they complain about all that
kind of stuff as well. So it's a lot a
lot of the same stuff from the pamphlets. A it's
a pretty fun little fact sheet. Those are the two
main pamphlets that were going around the R and C
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about gender ideology. That was kind of the most in
depth it ever got. Most of the speeches did not
even get into any specifics. They just like threw out
keywords fractual like discussion, this is, this is this is
the most in depth stuff they have, So this is
largely like the bulk of like the average RNC attendees knowledge.
This is actually probably more in depth than most average
RNC attendees, at least in terms of what Heritage is
(45:10):
putting out publicly, that is, their talking points, Any any
kind of closing thoughts.
Speaker 4 (45:14):
Here, just dog shit. I don't know what to say.
Speaker 2 (45:18):
Yeah, it's really quite bad. It's not my favorite. But honestly,
I think it's just so poorly written, and I don't
know how effective this is. It could be a lot
more transphobic. Oddly enough, they have a lot of like
the same lies that the right has been like workshopping
around certain claims around like trans healthcare and specifically how
it relates to like kids. But I honestly don't see
this as a very effective messaging for Heritage. Yeah, I
(45:42):
think it is that like.
Speaker 4 (45:45):
It's that pathway to hate thing, you know that, like
your grandchild has a nose pacing.
Speaker 2 (45:50):
How do you deal with this? Yes, that like it.
Speaker 4 (45:54):
It's it's not if you come at it too hard,
people are going to be like what the fuck, but
it gets people.
Speaker 2 (46:00):
Yeah, I mosto want to go over this because like
we're gonna be entering the holiday season pretty soon, so
whatever whatever Thanksgiving or Christmas dinners you're forced to attend. Yeah,
you know, if if people start talking with that kind
of stuff, it's probably gonna be claims that are similar
to some of the stuff in here. And these things
are like very easy to like research, especially all of
(46:22):
the like puberty blocking stuff like that. There's that's it's
so easy to be like this just isn't true. And
most of them just have no idea because if the
information they're getting is in line with this kind of thing,
it's it is just an alternate reality that that they
are living in. Yeah, and some of them are fueled
by like actual ideological hatred, and some of them are
just actually like legitimately just like misinformed. And that's something
(46:42):
like I can't tell you how your family thinks because
I don't know your family, but it is it is
a good thing to to like keep in mind that
there is ways to talk about some of the sort
of things. There's also if you just want to avoid
avoid it all together and play Nintendo in the basement
during Thanksgiving dinner with your cousins. That's also yeah sometimes
the move yep support that. Well, this has been exciting.
(47:07):
We will see you again probably tomorrow for more breaking news.
And it is news that breaks you slowly that that
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Speaker 2 (00:05):
Welcome to it could happen here. My name is Garrison Davis.
I am joined by James Stout and Nia Wong to
talk about some of our favorite people to hate, the
Heritage Foundation. Hello everybody, Hi Garrison.
Speaker 3 (00:18):
Hello, Oh god, I got brought in talk the Heritage Foundation.
Speaker 2 (00:22):
Oh no, what a week? What a week? So I mean,
people have been talking a lot about the Heritage Foundation's
Project twenty twenty five because it is a massive, massive
document that is honestly too long to actually read, but
it does. It does focus on LGBTQ issues for a
decent a decent chunk of the book, mainly finding different
(00:44):
ways to both legalize and protect discrimination against LGBTQ people
and like banning the public presence of LGBTQ materials deemed
deemed pornographic in public life, especially a schools, libraries, all
that kind of stuff. Right, It's kind of this nationwide
don't say gay bill type thing, along with legalizing it
(01:07):
and protecting people's people's right to discriminate against for people.
So that's kind of the bulk of the of the
of the tactics that are laid out in the Heritage
Foundation's Project twenty twenty five. But Trump and a whole
bunch of Republicans have been doing a lot of work
to distance themselves from this document. At the RNC, I
(01:28):
was kind of surprised that, like, I did not hear
a single, a single mention of Project twenty twenty five
unless I was the one to bring it up when
talking with people. They didn't. They didn't like talking about
it because they know it's kind of this, like this
toxic thing.
Speaker 4 (01:41):
Now.
Speaker 2 (01:42):
They kind of showed their power level to use an
ancient phrase.
Speaker 3 (01:47):
Yeah, who could possibly have guessed for the document where
they talk about bringing back the gold standard was going
to be unpopular with literally everyone, including their own base.
Speaker 2 (01:55):
Yeah. I mean, I don't think that's the reason why
it's unpopular. I think it's all of like the dictator
fascism stuff. But the gold standard bit's pretty funny. Even
at the Heritage Foundation booth, not a peep about Project
twenty twenty five. It's like the biggest thing they've done
in like the in the last decade. Arguably, not a
single peep. But they did have a whole bunch of
(02:18):
other like merch, a whole bunch of little pamphlets. Papers.
I love papers, I love little documents.
Speaker 4 (02:23):
Little ephemera, printed epemera.
Speaker 2 (02:26):
Yeah, I love collecting all this little stuff. And it
just sits on a pile on my desk for like,
way too long. And in this case, it's set on
a pile on my desk for about two months and
the pile became too big and too unruly. And now
we're going to actually go through the pile of stuff,
right and talk about the types of things that the
Heritage Foundation actually did have out on their table, specifically
(02:48):
relating to gender identity. Oh good, which is their term
of choice for these issues. Now, Like gender identity quote
unquote transgender ism were were frequent talking points at the
Republican National Convention, way more so than the Democratic National Convention,
in which they were kind of just brushed aside as
a political inconvenience. But at the R and C these
(03:11):
things were front and center. Almost every single person giving
a speech on the main stage at least name dropped
gender ideology in some way to receive thunderous applause from
the crowd. So it certainly was a very common topic
brought up. And here's what the actual literature that was
proliferating at the event had to say about it. So
(03:31):
let's start. Let's start penphlet number one, how to speak
up about gender identity, Questions and answers driving the debate,
so it's a debate. Is the first thing we want?
We need to know about gender identity? Again, I'm not
just reading out all of their propaganda. I think there
is some use in actually learning what they're saying in
(03:53):
like their biggest convention and then actually not like debunking
because like, come on, I know who are audiences, but
at least actually laying out what they're saying and how
it relates to like the actual information I think does
does have sub use. So will I will be quoting
from the Heritage Foundation saying some pretty stupid things, but
then we will kind of springboard discussion, and I do
(04:15):
have some little effect checks on some of the like
these very common lies that you're now seeing like get
repeated so often you may be trying to be tricked
into thinking that they are real. So we're going to
tackle the quote unquote the big questions, what are sex,
gender and gender identity. I'm sure this five page pamphlet
will tell me all I need to know about the
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topics of what our sex gender, gender identity.
Speaker 4 (04:39):
Yeah, I can't wait to learn.
Speaker 2 (04:41):
They figured it out. They figured it out, there's this
Centuries long discussions have been resolved. What do gender dyspory
and transgender mean? And how do gender identity policies affect
me and my community? I think this is largely targeted
towards like I mean, it's turned towards people at the RNC,
so like people in like their sixties, like grandparents.
Speaker 4 (05:03):
Yeah, is this so how to talk to your friend
about the transgenders book? Kind of?
Speaker 2 (05:07):
Kind of it's more so like, oh, no, your grandkids
are maybe a little gay with it?
Speaker 4 (05:16):
Grandchild?
Speaker 2 (05:16):
Exactly? What does that mean? What is that about? I
think that's kind of what the main the main demographic is. Okay, anyway,
here we go. The common understanding that there are only
two sexes and human beings male and female, determined by
each person's biology, has been the cultural norm and the
basis for our laws since our nation's founding. Though, has it?
(05:40):
That's a good question.
Speaker 4 (05:41):
I'm not going to do this because I will take
fucking an hour, but this isn't true.
Speaker 2 (05:45):
It will? I know. Obviously they're not going to mention
intersex people. They're not going to mention any any of
that stuff.
Speaker 4 (05:50):
Yeah, or that like every indigenous culture has multiple gender words.
Speaker 2 (05:55):
Yeah no, no, no, no, we'll just leave that out because
only recently have we seen a shift away from this
objective and scientific no citation understanding towards an ideology that
says a person's gender is determined by what they believe
they are parenthesis gender identity rather than their biological sex,
and should be legally recognized. The transgender movement has rapidly
(06:19):
advanced laws and policies that give special rights and protections
to some people while infringing on the rights of others. Now,
this is a talking point that was brought up a
lot when I was a kid around trans people. How
they have special laws that give them more rights than
your average person. And that's why, like a good like
(06:42):
conservative basis should be opposed to them, even if you're like,
you know, an accepting you may not like agree with them,
but you're not going to kill them, but they shouldn't
have like extra rights. That was a big thing is framing,
Framing things that either protect trans people from discrimination or
framing things that ensure their healthcare as like special extra
(07:02):
rights not provided to like regular regular Americans.
Speaker 3 (07:06):
Yeah, this is like a huge thing with just the
basis of all political conservatism is they all believe that,
like like, they all believe that immigrants have like a
secret healthcare system that they have access to, and that
like black people have like welfare, and that like indigenous
people get into schools for free.
Speaker 2 (07:21):
And it's just like yep, No, it's all based on
never talking to anyone who isn't like you. Yeah, in
addressing the conflicts that emerge. In addressing the conflicts that emerge,
what are you talking about? The government must protect everyone's
rights and fundamental freedoms. The introduction of the concept of
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gender identity into recent legislation raises concerns about privacy, safety, fairness, liberty,
and its impact on children. It threatens the freedom of
religion and conscience. What the freedom of conscience?
Speaker 4 (07:59):
What is mean?
Speaker 2 (08:02):
Because it's not just a religious objection. My conscience tells
me that trans people are icky.
Speaker 3 (08:09):
Tells me I should have this person's house. Is that
let me have it? I mean it should yeah.
Speaker 4 (08:13):
Yeah, yeah, my gons just tells me a whole lot
of shit. It means you can't not like trans people.
The government's going to come for you if you don't
like trans people.
Speaker 2 (08:21):
Is that what they mean? I think they are legitimately
scared of that. Yeah, okay, but it also threatens freedom
of speech, equal protection, and parental rights. This radical redefinition
of sex could dramatically alter our society, creating significant disadvantages
for some, particularly women and girls. Okay, all right, so
there we go. There that's that's that is. That is
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the introduction. Now onto page two. All individuals have human
dignity and should be treated with respect citation needed, including
those who identify as transgender and know they're very careful
to never actually say trans people a transgender people. There's
people who identify transgender, and there's there's transgender activists and
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gender ideology activists. They take great care to never actually
say trans people are doing this. They say transactivists are
doing this, right, increates this degree of separation. That's one
kind of a little rhetorical tactic that I noticed when
first looking through this.
Speaker 3 (09:22):
Yeah, I think there's this also kind of a legacy
of the sort of trans tipping point and how accepted
things had gotten. We're like, I remember this with like
Alex Jones in like like even like twenty twenty two,
twenty twenty three would say, like the most transphobic thing
you've ever heard, but it would be prefaced with some
trans people are fine people.
Speaker 2 (09:41):
I don't mean this to take people then say like
coming to rape your dog or something. Yeah, yeah, anyway.
But by labeling realistic concerns and scientific objections as oppressive,
transgender activists have shut down open, robust dialogue over the
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consequences of gender ideology and gender identity policies. The serious
real world effects of gender identity policies on individuals and
communities must be taken into consideration. Many treatments promoted by
transgender activists are untested, can cause serious side effects, and
come with irreversible developmental consequences when performed on children. So
(10:24):
this is this is my first kind of pause, because
this is a claim that we've been seeing, i would say,
at an increasing rate ever since Matt Walsh's documentary. This
is like one thing that he really tried to like
invent specifically that like quote unquote like puberty blockers cause
like sterilization and like, yeah, you can't reproduce when you're
on them, obviously, but you can when you go off them.
(10:46):
But that's something that like they never talk about. They
frame it as like this permanent thing. Samantha Rosenthal has
an independent piece in the La Times that talks about
like the very long history of trans healthcare in the
United States. Modern trans healthcare goes back to the nineteen sixties,
and hormone therapy has been used to assist cisgender children
in puberty since at least the nineteen forties. These these
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things are not untested. These are medical practices with a
long history. And saying that there's there's irreversible developmental consequences
when performed on children, like the FDA approved hormone blockers
for children back in nineteen ninety three. We've been using
these for quite a long time, and these false claims
are actually causing some like significant harm. I'm going to
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quote from ABC News here. Quote. England's National Health Service
has banned the use of puberty blockers for the treatment
of gendernyspia, or gender incongruence in transgender minors. The NHS
has not stated it will restrict puberty blockers for non
transgender children and young people. An NHS bookesperson told ABC
News the agency hopes to have a study into the
use of puberty blockers in place by December of this year,
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with eligibility criteria yet to be decided unquote. So they
are just like starting to ban these. And of course
we've seen this in the United States as well, but
this is like the National Health Service. This is like
a really a really big organization that's only banning it
for trans people, not for cis gender children. So like
it's really devastating.
Speaker 3 (12:08):
I think it's important to note too that this is
the exact one of the exact same lines that anti
vaxxers use, and you know that's anti vax campaigns have
been a lot of these sort of model for how
how a tax and TRANSOUTHCIA works. But like, yeah, this
is this is literally the line that these same people
will say about vaccines. It's like, oh, the RNA vaccine
is like untested. Yeah, we tested in a motion of
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population and everyone's fine.
Speaker 4 (12:33):
So you know, I did a clinical trial for COVID
vaccines before they were ready, did thousands of other people?
Speaker 2 (12:41):
Yeah? No. And in terms of puberty blockers, these have
been used and tested for decades, Like these are not
a new technology.
Speaker 3 (12:47):
It's it's even funnier because again it's like, well, well okay,
so like we we will give them to CIST children.
Speaker 2 (12:56):
With this stuff. It shows I think it is I'm
I read one other quote from a s ABC article
quote The Endocrine Society and a national organization of more
than eighteen thousand ender chronologists, calls the medication quote unquote
fully reversible. Once blockers are stopped, puberty continues with little
to no proven side effects, according to health professionals unquote.
And there was a recent study in twenty twenty two
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in the journal Jama which found the use of puberty
blocking drugs did not lead to an increased chance of
receiving gender affirming therapy in the future, and actually we're
slightly less likely to given the extra time to explore
gender in the body without the onset of irreversible effects
of puberty. Possible bone density losses largely remediated upon the
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presence of sex hormones, whether from either just to ceasing
the blockers or starting HRT. And this study also says
at the end that perhaps we should just stop using
the term puberty blocker, because it makes it sound like
it just completely blocks puberty, like from ever happening, like
it just is like now you don't go through puberty,
and instead opts to say, like, maybe we should just
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describe what the drug does mechanistically and clinically, because maybe
maybe puberty blockers is just a it implies something more
than what the drug actually like does temporarily. Yeah, so
I found that to be an interesting note. And the
whole point of of and this something well probably talk
about later. The whole point of this drug is so
that you can have more time to actually decide what
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you want to do with your body and your gender.
And most people that do go on blockers, whether SIS
or not, are doing it to prevent irreversible changes from puberty.
And most people opt to not actually go on cross
sex hormones. And that's like a successful treatment, Like that
is that that is what the drug is supposed to do.
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But there's definitely this idea among these like anti transactivists
that like, if you go on blockers, that means you're
more likely to become quote unquote like fully trends in
the future, which also just like isn't true. But do
you know what is reversible.
Speaker 3 (14:56):
Not liking their products and services and support this podcast.
Speaker 2 (14:59):
You can reverse that and make it so you really
like them, which helps us a little bit. Probably, I assume.
I don't know. I don't think so, I don't. I don't.
I don't do the business thing. Anyway, here are the ads. Okay,
(15:21):
we are back. Let's uh, let let's continue with this
fine literature from our good enemies at the Heritage Foundation.
Speaker 4 (15:29):
Yeah. Great art and layout.
Speaker 2 (15:31):
That's what I'm noticing. It's it is. It is very
well designed. Yeah, there's these there are some children, these
poor kids, these poor stock photos of children. Yeah. Yeah,
I'm sure they.
Speaker 4 (15:42):
I'm sure they gave the heartfelt consent to being used
in it hate propaganda.
Speaker 2 (15:48):
The next section is called what are sex, gender and
gender identity? The best biology, psychology, and philosophy all support
and understanding that sex is a bodily reality and that
gender is a social manifestation of bodily sex. The best biology.
That's simply the best philosophy. Oh my gods. Now this
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claim actually does have a citation, so it's true. Now
let me check the citation. The citation is oh oh
oh wait, wait wait oh. The citation is when Harry
became Sally responding to the transgender movement, The Anti trans
Book of twenty eighteen by Ryan T. Anderson. Oh God,
that's not a real philosophy, biology or psychology book. Oh okay, well.
Speaker 4 (16:41):
He won best Philosopher anyway, I don't know what you're
talking about.
Speaker 2 (16:45):
The best all agree, that's so good now. Sex Sex
is a biological reality referring to an organism's overall organization
towards sexual reproduction in human beings, just like every other
species that's sexually rep This organism includes the chromosomes we
inherit from our parents and the reproductive organs systems sheenitalia
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and hormones that developed. As a consequence. As there are
two reproductive systems, there are two sexes, just like every
other species that sectually reproduces. This is completely consistent. I
get no citation because that's not That is not how
biology actually works. No, nor is your genitalia necessarily determined
by your chromosomes. Nope? But sure, why not the best biology?
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All support this understanding there, Yeah, the best biology from
a first grade textbook. Ye.
Speaker 3 (17:39):
Actually, that's unfair to first grade textbooks, which are largely
blameless in this matter.
Speaker 2 (17:42):
It is. It is unfair.
Speaker 4 (17:44):
Yeah, No one's sticking genitalia in a first grade textbook.
Speaker 2 (17:48):
This organization. Isn't just the best way to figure out
which sex you are, it's the only way to make
sense of the concepts of male and female. Really really,
yeah the way. Yeah, What an interesting sociological statement made
by the Heritage Foundation that the only differences are purely
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mechanistical and there really is no social basis that determines
what the concepts in male and female relate to. What
an interesting opinion that I'm sure is consistent across all
of the Heritage Foundations.
Speaker 4 (18:20):
And yeah, it's going to say, you can pull out
another booklet and call them on their shit with their
own words.
Speaker 2 (18:26):
Gender, by contrast, is the way one expresses their biological sex.
We shouldn't pretend that there are no differences between male
and female, because biological reality is that there are. We
also shouldn't be trapped in rigid gender stereotypes. Transgender activists
deny that sex is a bodily reality. They argue, once
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it's perceived, gender I entity represents to a person really is,
even if it goes against their biological sex. They deny
their biological reality by suggesting that biological sex was merely
assigned at birth. A little known fun fact, you actually
can like scientifically change your biological sex. Yeah, rules, it
takes a little bit of time, it takes a little
bit of effort, but your biological sex can actually just
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be like a completely changed. This is something that is
not like set.
Speaker 3 (19:11):
Also, there is literally, there is literally physically a document
where your doctor assigns.
Speaker 2 (19:17):
You a sex birth. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (19:21):
No, it is a box that they must tick. It's
not even like a not a line that they get
to write in whatever they want, you know.
Speaker 2 (19:28):
Like no, But the cool thing is is that when
you change with sex hormones your body is dominant in
it actually changes the sex and the functions of your body.
Pretty interesting stuff. Actually, I don't care about my chromosomes,
but as soon as we want to do more gene tampering,
I guess that that could be fun, but I don't
really care. You can also change body parts, so that's cool.
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I know they're working on those womb transplants, but I'm
not into that freaky stuff anyway. According to the American
Psychological Association, gender identity refers to a person's internal sense
of being male, female, or something else, hey, something else nice.
It is distinct from either sex or gender. Activists claim
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that it is a person's internal sense of gender, activists claim.
They also assert that it's more than just male or female.
It's fluid, and there's a spectrum of various options beyond
man and woman, like a gender fluid, intergender, or non binary.
I've never heard the term intergender before.
Speaker 4 (20:28):
That's yeah, that's it's a new one. But I guess
if that knowledge the existence of intersex people, that kind
of fucks up the premise of that whole thing.
Speaker 2 (20:37):
No, this is inter maybe.
Speaker 3 (20:38):
That's yeah, but yeah, maybe maybe that's what it is.
They can't say intersect. Yeah, that destroys their whole ship.
They've trisposed.
Speaker 2 (20:47):
Intersex isn't like an identity, it's like an actual, like
completely like medical thing.
Speaker 4 (20:52):
I don't think that they fully understand this shit, Garrison.
I think it's it's.
Speaker 2 (20:57):
You're right, You're sorry, Sorry, I forgot. I'm reading from
a heritage.
Speaker 4 (21:01):
They may be coming from a place of hate.
Speaker 2 (21:04):
All right, let's talk about gender dysphoria, now, let's gender
dysphoria refers to the distress someone experiences when they have
a disconnection between their bodily sex and internal sense of gender.
The diagnostic label gender identity disorder was used by the
DSM until it's reclassification as a gender dysphoria in twenty
thirteen with the release of the DSM five. They really
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want that old DSM back. They want it so bad
before the DSM went woke. They really want DSM four.
Transgender can refer to a man who identifies as a
woman or a woman who identifies as man some activists.
Some activists go so far as to say that a
trans woman is a woman. Crazy. Not all people who
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suffer from gender dysphoria identify as transgender, Not everyone who
dentifies as transgender except from gender dysphoria. Surprisingly woke statement.
It's a surprisingly controversial and woke statement from Heritage Foundation here,
anti transman, anti truth, coum a foundation, What the fuck base?
Speaker 3 (22:06):
It's the seven people who get that. You're welcome for
everyone else. I swear to God, that's very funny.
Speaker 2 (22:13):
It's a little funny. Oh funny. I was workshopping some
kind of like Tumblr post style joke. But I still
have like two pages of this pamphlet. So now, how
do gender identity policies affect me and my community? The
question on every Republican grandparents mind. The first area of
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concern privacy. Privacy concerns arise when a men who identify
you as women can enter female only spaces, for example,
changing rooms, gym class. They're doing bathroom stuff, that's what
they're doing. The reason we have separate facilities in the
first place is not because of a gender identity, but
because of the bodily difference between males and females. That's interesting.
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I wonder what happens when some of those bodily differences
start to change, or your social rules in mel fem
walill also change, Like a young trans girl going into
the men's bathroom. That could maybe a little bit uncomfortable anyway.
Preventing sexual assault is another major area of concern when
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gender identity determines who may enter a women only space.
Public safety experts such as Kenneth V. Lanning, former FBI
Supervisory Special Agent assigned to the Behavioral Science Unit. They're
doing the Buffalo Bill at the National Center for the
(23:39):
Analysis of Violent Crime at the FBI Academy for over
twenty years. It is just the Buffalo Bill. Guy explains
that predators abuse gender and the policies to gain access
to victims. While victims law enforcement become less likely to
report incidents for fear of having misunderstood and being accused
of discrimination. The primary concern is not that people who
identify as trends will victimize women, but that predators will
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exploit to gender identity policies to do so. So this
is interesting. They're actually not doing all trans women are
secretly rapists. They are doing the what is actually more
like more legit is that no, like men will be
fucked up and men will like do fucked up shit.
The thing is they don't need those policies to do
fucked up shit. Men will do it regardless.
Speaker 3 (24:24):
You are the Heritage Foundation, your your base, your entire
base are chuck is composed of churches who do this
literally every day, Like come on, what are we doing here?
Speaker 2 (24:33):
But I find it interesting that they take this line
of approach.
Speaker 3 (24:37):
I will say, this pamphlet feels like a much more
sort of moderate So this feels like a gateway thing
versus like the stuff that they're so that they actually believe,
or like the sort of like more hardcore stuff that
they they distribute.
Speaker 2 (24:51):
Well, I'm not sure how to how to segue to
an ad break from this one. I'll be honest, you know,
what else the Heritage Foundation supports. Oh well, that is
true capitalism and these ads that help fuel the turning
machine of death and suffering. Haha, Okay, we are back.
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Let's talk about fairness. Gener Entity creates an unfairness when
biological males. Biological males compete against females in sports and
other activities. It also reduces girdle chances of winning athletic scholarships.
Speaker 4 (25:35):
The idea fucking title nine defense every.
Speaker 2 (25:39):
Time scholar I'm sure all those trends girls are taken
of all the scholarships.
Speaker 4 (25:45):
Yeah, let's just let's just see where the Heritage Foundation
stood on fucking title nine, shall we when that came in.
Speaker 2 (25:50):
I'm sure they were totally supportive. Already, several high school
girls have lost state championships. Is to quote boys who
were allowed to compete against them. These two boys have
won fifteen girls state championships that were held by ten
females in the previous year. I tried to search some
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of these keywords to find exactly what they were talking about.
The first result was from the reputable news publication the
Daily Signal, which is a Heritage Foundation puppet site, and
the article is just listing like a handful of like
trans girls across the country who participated in school sports.
And that's like, that's like all it is. And then
of particular interest to James this next sentence, Oh, god,
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fucking man who identifies this some transgender? Well that's that's
an interesting one. A man who identifies as a transgender
has also won the women's cycling World's title.
Speaker 4 (26:51):
I know who they're talking about here. This is someone
called for Runica Ivy. She was formerly known as Raychel
mccannon when she won the world title. Okay, she won
a UCI Women's Master's Track World Championship. If you want
to find an event where gender affirming hormones are used
on a regular basis, I suggest you check out the
Men's Masters World Championship because every fucking year one of
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those dudes gets popped for using testosterone. And like, I
don't see that in the Heritage Foundation's complaints, Like this
is just asshole, really, they've she has been a particular
target for these people. Cycling has been a particular target
for these people for a very long time, and it's
very funny that they continue to like put out this
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propaganda which completely misunderstands, like the things that let you
win the Master's track World Championship are having money and
having time, Like it is inherently unfair. It's it's a
hobby sport, right, thirty five to forty four. There are
not professional athletes in that age group, like the people
doing this. So the people who have the time and
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the money, they buy the fancy bikes, they travel to
the race. It's if you care, If you care about
fairness in master's cycling, there are a million other places
to go after it.
Speaker 2 (28:07):
This is bullshit. Well it's so it's so transparent because
now the biggest trans sports controversy has been over a
cist gender woman who just is appearing too masculine, right
like, like the biggest thing, the biggest controversy in this whole
trans women and sports thing at the Olympics ear earlier
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this year is just actually a cist gender woman.
Speaker 4 (28:31):
Yeah, but that's the whole thing, right Like, policing the
way people present their gender is what this is about
for them.
Speaker 2 (28:38):
Yeah, and they're willing to throw anyone under the bus
as long as it like puts forward like whatever disinformation
they want with the soul purpose of just changing public opinion,
not actually like caring about any of the people involved here.
Speaker 4 (28:51):
Yeah, but like a return to like I don't even
think traditional gender roles, but like, let's just say nineteen
thirties gender roles, not even nineteen thirties, right, women fighting
in the spanishl War in the nineteen thirty.
Speaker 2 (29:02):
It's Victorian England gender rules.
Speaker 4 (29:04):
Yeah, totally, Like it is what they want, and like
they're not throwing imonically funded a bus so much. She
is part of a target because she's not a girly
enough girl, right, she's a woman who punches other people
in the face, and like that's not collateral damage to me.
Like that is part of their thing, right, Yeah, it's
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not coincidental, but it was a boxer.
Speaker 2 (29:27):
It's part of their larger political project. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (29:30):
Yeah, and obviously it's also their conception of womanhood is
also highly racialized, yes, obvious reasons.
Speaker 4 (29:37):
Yeah, it's not coincidental there's an African woman, right.
Speaker 2 (29:40):
No, many of the trans girls who are listed in
the Daily Signal article or transgirls of color that, yeah,
that is who they're going after. They're going after like
the most oppressed person and you can be in the country. Yeah.
Now onto onto one of our final chapters how transgenderism
affects your personal liberty transgenderism. That's a good one. Trans
Gender policies also violate our freedom of speech and freedom
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of conscience by forcing people to speak or act in
ways contrary to their personal judgment and deeply held beliefs.
In New York City, you can be fined up to
two hundred and fifty thousand dollars for misgendering. What's the
citation that they do have a citation? Okay, hit me,
they do, go to the NYC Commission, and this isn't true.
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Despite the citation, they're trying to take like a city
ordinance and twist it to make it sound like you
will be fined a quarter of a million dollars for
calling someone the wrong pronouns. And that's not what the
audience is. Yeah, it's employment law, right correct. It was
first written in the early two thousands. It was then
revised in twenty fifteen. I'm going to quote from Snopes
quote discrimination it gets a transgender individual could resultant finds
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to up to two hundred and fifty thousand dollars. But
these fines won't be handed out for accidentally misusing pronouns.
According to the new guidelines, the Commission can impose civil
penalties up to one hundred and twenty five thousand dollars
for violations of the law, and extreme circumstances two hundred
and fifty thousand for violations that are the result of wilful,
wanton and malicious conduct. Yeah, this is for like employment discrimination.
Speaker 3 (31:10):
Yeah, employment discrimination happens literally all the time, and it
never there's almost ever conspluses for it.
Speaker 2 (31:16):
Yeah, but that's where this number comes from, right.
Speaker 4 (31:19):
And it's completely misleading to suggest it like the work
police to get to find you.
Speaker 2 (31:24):
Correct, And it's not for misusing pronouns. It's for like
extreme cases of like continuous harassment or like like like
legal discrimination. The next sentence is, quote, both a high
school teacher and a college professor have been sanctioned by
their employers for using biologically correct terms with their students.
Speaker 4 (31:44):
Se Jordan Peterson.
Speaker 2 (31:46):
Now, obviously those terms are not biologically correct because you
can scientifically change your biological sex. And what they're talking
about here is no just teachers who are just like
harassing their students, who are like calling them by like
the wrong name, calling them by the wrong pronouns, like
if you did that like assist person over time. Yeah,
you would also get in trouble because that's just like harassment.
Speaker 4 (32:05):
Yeah yeah, and like you're just a shit teacher. If
you're fucking going after your students for who they are,
then yeah, you probably shouldn't be a teacher.
Speaker 2 (32:14):
They then talk about how transactivists are trying to get
medical providers to provide like gender firming health care. They're
complaining how Catholic hospitals are getting in trouble for not
wanting to do gender firming health care. They talk about
like an Obama mandate that forces health care plans to
cover gender firming health care and making sure that physicians
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actually have to do it even if they personally like
don't want to be like no, this is like your job.
You have to provide health care. So they complain about
all that kind of stuff, and then the last section
of the pamphlet is on child development. TRANSNT ideology is
now promoted in schools where children are taught that gender
is fluid, falls along a spectrum, and is detached from
bodily sex. In addition, activists seek to punish anyone who
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expresses anyone'serveces about radical treatment plans for gender dysphoric children.
These plans can include socially transitioning children as young as four,
administering puberty blocking drugs as young as nine, cross sex
hormones as a young as fourteen, and surgery as young
as eighteen. This ideology threatens parental rights. In Ohio, a
Catholic family lost custody of their daughter when they oppose
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treatment of gender dysphoria with cross sex hormones. So, actually,
this is actually a pretty good breakdown of like how
gender like affirming healthcare could work. Is Yeah, if a
kid wants to like socially start transitioning very young and
they want to, yes, that's great, there's no harm in that.
If getting on puberty blockers at around nine, that makes sense,
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hormones as a teenager, yeah, and surgery maybe a little
bit later. Yeah, that all seems quite quite reasonable. And
in terms of this Catholic family, So a transfer of
parents lost custody of their seventeen year old trans son
in twenty eighteen after inducing suicidal idea for refusing to
let their child receive hormone therapy prescribed by a medical
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team who had been treating the child for two years.
Custody was transferred to his grandparents. So this wasn't the
state just like stealing this child away. It's like, no,
you're like basically abusing this kid, So we're going to
move custody over to the grandparents. Also, like you're opposing
this for a seventeen year old, this is almost like
a full legal adult. I'm going to qute from CNN here. Quote.
The parents' attorney had argued that the child was not
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even quote close to being able to make such a
life altering decision at this time. Unquote. The county prosecuting
attorney argued that the parents wanted to stop the treatment
because it violated their religious beliefs unquote. So yeah, you're
so scared that this seventeen year old is going to
make a choice that you personally find a little bit icky,
Like ka'bah.
Speaker 4 (34:43):
Yeah, I'm pretty sure you can legally I emantipate yourself
at seventeen, right.
Speaker 2 (34:47):
Yeah, and usually you have like medical freedom, at least
in an Oregon you have medical freedom at sixteen. I
don't know what the case by case basis is in
a lot of states. Yeah, but that's that's pretty fucked up. Now,
there is nothing in coverage about this family being Catholic
heritage might be conflating this other story from Indiana where
Catholic family lost custody of their transkid in twenty twenty
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one for alleged child abuse, and then earlier this year,
the Supreme Court declined to hear the parents' case. So
so there you go, big health for them. They then
talk about quote unquote research, what the research says about transition.
The view that social medical transition is the appropriate treatment
for people, including children, who feel at odds with their
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biological sex, is becoming more widely accepted. However, transitioning treatment,
including puberty blocking hormones for children and sex change surgeries
for teens and adults, come with serious consequences. Today, parents
are told that puberty blockers and cross sex hormones may
be the only way to prevent their child from committing suicide. However,
according to the DSM five, as many as ninety eight
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percent of gender confused boys and eighty eight percent of
gender confused girls eventually accept their biological sex after naturally
passing through puberty. Okay, let's go over this because there's
some weird phrasing here, Because no, that's not it. That's
all with the DSM, actually, says A writer named Micah
b broke down this claim in a medium post from
twenty eighteen. This exact sentence has been reusing a lot
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of like writing publications over time, so accept their biological
sex after naturally passing through puberty. It's a very like
loaded phrase. Like a child who suffers from genitusphoria may
receive like treatment, whether that's through like like speech therapy
like talking about it with with the therapist, or hormone blockers,
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and they may then choose to cease treatment and go
through their natural puberty. Right like that is, but yeah,
that's not them like like qu one unquote like naturally
passing through puberty. Like no, that that also involves a
degree of treatment. Now, the reason why these numbers are
might be a little bit kind of odd and also
they're just false, like the way that they're like being
framed here. But in particular for kids, like the criteria
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for children and having genitysphoria is different from the criteria
for teens and adults, right, those mean different things. They
also say as many as ninety eight percent as many
reason I'm saying because the DSM five actually says that
quote in natal males, persistence has ranged from two point
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two percent to thirty percent. In natal females, persistence has
ranged from twelve percent to fifty percent. So they took
the lowest possible number and switched the stat around by
saying that as many as ninety eight percent eventually accept
their quote unquote biological sex. So that's that's a cute
little little flip around. And then also, according to the DSM,
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a majority of boys sixty three to one hundred percent
who quote unquote grow out of gend dysphoria just later
turn out to be gay. Right, there is a difference
between like gender dysphoria versus like gender deviance. That's why you, yeah,
you should like work with an actual medical team if
you have like a kid who's like pre puberty, who
has a degree of gender variance, because yeah, that could
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result in a whole bunch of a whole bunch of things,
and the fact that some of them just grow up
to be like gay kids is like the result of
like successful medical treatment, and like it's like like a
loving family, Like that is a good outcome. Similarly, the
DSM says that thirty two to fifty percent of girls
whose gender dysphoria does not persist later identify as gay.
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So there we go. That's pretty pretty pretty average stuff.
They then go onto list all of the quote unquote
side effects of gender affirming treatment, saying quote meanwhile, radical
gender affirming therapies post serious medical risks, including disfiguring acne,
high blood pressure, weight gain, abnormal glucose tolerance, breast cancer,
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liver disease, thermioprosis, and cardiovascular disease. These are all the
consequences of just puberty. Yeah, like, depending on what puberty
you go through, Yeah, it's gonna have different effects. That's
just how puberty worries. They also include uh, and of
course sterility, and this is this is still a hotly
(39:10):
debated topic. There are some recent studies that show that
there's actually a pretty good chance of people who go
on estrogen being able to like regain fertility after after
like a six months of ceasing treatment. It's not consistent, right,
everyone who everyone who goes on like HRT has an
understanding that it can affect how they reproduce in the future.
(39:32):
You're definitely encouraged to, like, if you want to have
kids or think you might want to have kids in
the future, Like you can save your sperms, you can
save your eggs, you can you can get that stuff
ahead of time. Yeah, but this is also something that
people are like working on of being able to like
maintain the ability to have kids even like during or
like after. Gender affirming health care treatment has like commenced.
(39:54):
So that's cool. Finally, quote puberty blocking therapies and cross
sex hormones non reversible, largely untested, and highly dangerous, especially
for children. We've already we've already talked about how all
of that is not true. We've already gone through all
of that. Sex assignment surgeries have not been shown to
reduce the extraordinarily high rate of suicide attempts among people
who identify as transgender forty one percent compared to the
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general population's four point six percent. So this is also
just like not true, Like everything, it's just not true. Also,
there's no there's no citation here. A pear of you
studying the Journal of adlast in Health found that hormone
therapy for trans youth reduced the rate of depression and
suicide by forty percent. It also found that having like
parental support during this process also like heavily impacts the
(40:40):
effectiveness of this treatment, specifically on depression and suicide. Like
if if you're going through this treatment and your parents
still hate you, yeah, that's going to actually, it's going
to hurt the ability of this healthcare to actually be
effective mentally. An investigation by doctors of the University of
Washington found that trans youth who received gender if herming
healthcare reduced their risk of suicide by seventy three percent
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compared to those who do not receive care, and a
policy brief in the VA wrote quote. Since in nineteen
seventy five, more than two thousand scientific studies have examined
gender affirming care, supported by over thirty leading medical associations,
including the World Health Organization and the American Medical Association,
gender affirming care is deemed evidence based and effective at
reducing suicide rates. This is all widely understood. This is
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such like a non objectionable stance that even famous woke institution,
the VA, is like, yeah, no, it's actually really effective. Okay,
And now actually, finally, for this pamphlet quote, the most
helpful therapies for children experiencing gender dysphoria do not try
to remake the body to conform with thoughts and feelings,
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which is impossible, not impossible, but rather but rather to
help people find healthy ways to manage their tension and
move towards accepting the reality of their bodies. Unfortunately, fifteen
states have passed laws of banning talk therapy for miners
who struggle with gender dysphoria, and there's a bill in
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Congress which would do the same. There's no bill banning
talk therapy. This is a conversion therapy, bann This isn't
This isn't like actual talk therapy, which is a part
of like actual healthcare treatment. This is against like conversion therapy.
That is what they're actually talking about. So that is
the bulk of the pamphlet. I also got given this
this other kind of I think it's called a fact sheet,
(42:29):
which is ironic by the Heritage Action Group, which is
the kind of lobbying activist arm branch of Heritage. It
goes over a whole bunch of like the same stuff.
They particularly don't like that the Department of Education released
a report banning the use of offensive and inappropriate terms
like mother and father in school. This isn't true. What
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they're talking about is that there's been a push to
include this more gender neutral language, like instead of saying
your mom and dad, just say parents. Like, yeah, that
makes sense. That's specifically what they're complaining about. They complain
about like books and schools. They call The Gender Queer
a graphic novel, a book riddled with pornographic and pedophilic content.
(43:12):
Not true. It's just simply isn't true. All these kind
of old lies that we have talked about on the show,
like many times before. And then they also just rehash
a whole bunch of the claims from the other pamphlet.
They talk about the claim that in Virginia a girl
was actually assaulted by a teen boy pretending to be
a girl, and this is not an isolated incident. We've
talked about that claim before. This was a fake story
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invented by the Daily Wire. This person was not trans.
This was someone who was in a relationship with this
girl who's actually assaulted her in a bathroom. Not a
trans person, just a regular CIS gender male. And then
they talk about sports. They talk about how men have
more upper body mass and that puberty blockers do not
change height, organ sized, skeletal structure, muscle mass or any
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of the biological characteristics that make men unequal. Opponents absolutely
do hormones. Literally, they just list all the things that
hormones actually change, like, they actually famously do change all
of those things, height, skeletal structure, organ size, and muscle mass.
Those are the main things. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (44:12):
I mean, if that wasn't the case, you could just
take testosterone and it wouldn't affect you.
Speaker 2 (44:17):
Apparently, Yeah, famously testosterone never changes your muscle mass.
Speaker 4 (44:22):
Yeah, just and sounds stronger man who never benefited.
Speaker 2 (44:25):
They also complained about how the biing administration is want
of people to use preferred pronouns if you work in government,
which again is just trying to stop people from like
harassing by using the wrong pronouns. It's it's all just
ways to prevent harassment. And they complain about all that
kind of stuff as well. So it's a lot a
lot of the same stuff from the pamphlets. A it's
a pretty fun little fact sheet. Those are the two
main pamphlets that were going around the R and C
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about gender ideology. That was kind of the most in
depth it ever got. Most of the speeches did not
even get into any specifics. They just like threw out
keywords fractual like discussion, this is, this is this is
the most in depth stuff they have, So this is
largely like the bulk of like the average RNC attendees knowledge.
This is actually probably more in depth than most average
RNC attendees, at least in terms of what Heritage is
(45:10):
putting out publicly, that is, their talking points, Any any
kind of closing thoughts.
Speaker 4 (45:14):
Here, just dog shit. I don't know what to say.
Speaker 2 (45:18):
Yeah, it's really quite bad. It's not my favorite. But honestly,
I think it's just so poorly written, and I don't
know how effective this is. It could be a lot
more transphobic. Oddly enough, they have a lot of like
the same lies that the right has been like workshopping
around certain claims around like trans healthcare and specifically how
it relates to like kids. But I honestly don't see
this as a very effective messaging for Heritage. Yeah, I
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think it is that like.
Speaker 4 (45:45):
It's that pathway to hate thing, you know that, like
your grandchild has a nose pacing.
Speaker 2 (45:50):
How do you deal with this? Yes, that like it.
Speaker 4 (45:54):
It's it's not if you come at it too hard,
people are going to be like what the fuck, but
it gets people.
Speaker 2 (46:00):
Yeah, I mosto want to go over this because like
we're gonna be entering the holiday season pretty soon, so
whatever whatever Thanksgiving or Christmas dinners you're forced to attend. Yeah,
you know, if if people start talking with that kind
of stuff, it's probably gonna be claims that are similar
to some of the stuff in here. And these things
are like very easy to like research, especially all of
(46:22):
the like puberty blocking stuff like that. There's that's it's
so easy to be like this just isn't true. And
most of them just have no idea because if the
information they're getting is in line with this kind of thing,
it's it is just an alternate reality that that they
are living in. Yeah, and some of them are fueled
by like actual ideological hatred, and some of them are
just actually like legitimately just like misinformed. And that's something
(46:42):
like I can't tell you how your family thinks because
I don't know your family, but it is it is
a good thing to to like keep in mind that
there is ways to talk about some of the sort
of things. There's also if you just want to avoid
avoid it all together and play Nintendo in the basement
during Thanksgiving dinner with your cousins. That's also yeah sometimes
the move yep support that. Well, this has been exciting.
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We will see you again probably tomorrow for more breaking news.
And it is news that breaks you slowly that that
is our demo news that breaks you.
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