The Kanye Spectacle Ft. Prop: Part 2

Prop, Gare, Robert, and Shereen finish talking about Kanye’s antisemitism and conspiracy theories, while discussing how to cover this topic without falling into media spectacle and exploitation.

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
So look, I ain't gonna hold you. I was not
going to cover this because I feel like it's something
that needs to be discussed at the Domino te what
to cook out, you know, and I just don't want
to feed the machine. But at some point we gotta
decide whose man is this? And somebody gotta come come
get their boy. Yee. We got to decide, okay, when

(00:21):
when did he cross the line? Y'all? And has he
crossed the line? Because you know, the important nuance to
this is is how we've survived as collective you know,
slaves like the you know, we we needed each other
to survive. So when somebody got out of line, we
looked out for each other. You know. The I don't

(00:41):
know if you know this, but corn rows, like the
braids inside of people's hair were maps, you know. The
Negro spirituals you you you sang songs as code for
when it was time to go. Harriet Tubman when she
got free, you know, she escaped herself and then decided,
I'm gonna go back and get as many people as
I can, like this is this is our story. We
take care of each other. So that's why it's hard

(01:01):
for us to just write people off to just cancel,
especially if they're black. It's hard for us because it's like,
we need to take care of each other. We can't
let these white people like tell us what to do
with our folks. But that being said, at some point
we're like, all right, nigga, you are on your own.
You have hurt us too much. And I never so
I didn't want to cover Yea because I still don't

(01:24):
know how I feel. There are some statements that he
said are obviously inexcusable, but I just didn't want to
be a part of that. I want to be a
part of that conversation. The Kanye stands and I'm done
with these people. I just don't want to be a
part of conversation. But Sophie hit me and the good
folks that it can happen here here and was like, yo, uh,
we got to talk about this, and I was like,

(01:45):
all right, I was on the fence. We need to
talk about it. Yo. Whose man's is this, y'all? Somebody
come get their boy. So it's a crossover with the
Tommy Garrison Robert and it could happen here. Team Sharine
and we discussed this stuff. So dropping in our feed
and they feed it could happen here politics, that's rock.

(02:14):
I'm just waiting for Kanye's gnostic phase. That will probably
be good, a good develop good as soon as it
starts being Let stop talking about Sophia, And I'm excited
for when he runs for president uh and then declares
his opponent to be We were on the same track there.

(02:41):
It's gonna be a good day. Welcome to it could
happen here. In the podcast, what are we talking about
Kanye West's inevitable war against the demi urge? Oh my gosh,
we joined again by Shrine and prop So we just
talked about kind kanye S history up towards his most

(03:02):
recent White Lives Matter T shirt stunt and his anti
semitic posts on Instagram and Twitter dot com. And my
main interest in the aftermath of these statements is kind
of mostly how right wing media reacted to what was
going on in to one of their darling's kind of
saying some questionable things, and what that might tell us
about how they'll handle overt anti semitism and fascistic um

(03:26):
kind of consumerism in the future. I'm going to do
a quote from New Republic again about what happened in
the direct aftermath of of Kanye West's posts quote. Fox
News meanwhile posted an article that West merely had been
locked out of his account due to an unspecific violation
of the company's policies. After spending such a fulesome number

(03:49):
of hours providing him with the platform for his White
Lives Matter stunt, the network a shewed coverage of his
anti semitism, other than to point to it as the
product of mental illness. The effort to sweep the second
round of nasty bigotry under the rug after celebrating the
initial outpouring is breathtakingly cynical, but not particularly surprising. The

(04:11):
fact that West was at least for now d platform
from social media accounts that he was using to traffic
hate speech is in itself catnip for far right figures
and unquote, so many a far right grifter has tried
to turn this into a free speech issue. Um. However,
Kanye associate and Fashion Week White Lives Matter buddy Canadas

(04:34):
Owens tried to deny the anti semitism altogether. Within days
of his Twitter rant. Candace Owens on her Daily Wire
podcast was defending Kanye saying quote death Con three should
be interpreted as a move to protect the Jewish people

(04:55):
after all, because because because def con is a defensive
military category, not an offensive military category. See, these are
the words of a deeply un serious person. Exactly, I'll
be in a very a very dangerous one, but deeply
un serious. This is that's this is. It's those things. Okay,

(05:18):
be conservative, I think, however you want. But it's that
stuff that is so infuriating to me where I'm like,
you know, you do not sit across the table from me,
you know, you know, and it's like, okay, just I
just like, like break character once, you know, just just

(05:42):
like no, what did you like? There's no way I
can't take you. There's no way. You believe that. There's
no way, Canda, someone has been playing the long game
for a while, and that kind of reach that that
reaches a culmination towards the end of this episode, which
we'll talk about, um, but let's let's let's let's play
the clip there, because she also does some pretty gross

(06:04):
anti Semitic kind of defensive stuff as well, talking about
how you can't say the word Jewish without people getting
upset if you are an honest person, You did not
think this tweet was anti semitic. You did not think
that he wrote this tweek because he hates or wants
to genocide Jewish people. This is not represent at the
beginning of the Holocaust. That's if you're an honest person,

(06:24):
you'll meet that. You'll admit that right. If you're an
honest person, when you read this tweet, you had no
idea what the hell he was talking about. I had
I had no idea when I read this tweet what
the hell he was talking about. This tweet inspired questions,
not answers. First and foremost, what is death Con three?
Did he mean deaf Con three? Which would be a

(06:47):
military defense position, not an offense for those of you
that are offended, a military defense position. Is he tweeting
this because he's reading the newsweek headline calling him an
anti Semitic? Is he angry because he can't believe that
he's not free to talk about people in his life
who happened to be Jewish right without being accused of

(07:07):
anti Semitism. Is he's saying, I'm not gonna shut up,
and I'm gonna keep tweeting, and I'm gonna keep calling
these people out referring to his friends that he feels
slighted by as he talking about Jared Kushner and Josh Krishner.
If you're a liar, you'll say, I know, I was scared.
Canis I actually thought that Kanye West was going to
launch a military strike in Israel? Because that's the reaction.

(07:28):
Like when I woke up and I looked at the headlines,
of reaction was like Kanye West had gotten together a
military strike and it was going to go forward in
the morning time in Israel. That was that was the
reaction that was met with this sweek. Now, once again,
I want to make this very clear. This is not
a defensive tweet. This is an open question which never

(07:51):
seems to happen anymore. It's like you cannot even say
the word Jewish without people getting upsets in the same
way you're not allowed to say black anymore. So there
is definitely a lot in that clip. Um, I guess
first off, we can talk about talking about the tweet
as simply asking questions about Jewish people. It's like you're

(08:15):
you're just like directly doing the Jewish question, Like what
you can't frame this just ask like you're just asking
questions about Jewish people. Really, and then and and then
Owens tries to link this to like a Zionist position,
implying that attacks on Jewish people and anti Semitism are
only legitimate if they're they're in the form of a

(08:37):
military action against the nation of Israel, which is not
how anti Semitism operates. That's like, that's just that's just
that's just not what that is. Like, that's it's it's
it's pretty gross again. Just it's it's the same daily
wire racism denying stick by you know, it's it's a
it's a it's the same thing they do by saying
racism doesn't exist anymore because they're not racist law is

(09:00):
in America, which first of all isn't even true. But
second of all, that's not what racism is. Like that
that even if there weren't racist laws, that doesn't mean
there's no racism. Um man, she like the man, it's like,
like I'm trying to put my words together, because there's

(09:20):
a certain type of like sinisterness. Yeah, it's a type
of Yeah, it's a type they're both deeply un serious,
but it's also like explicitly complicit in the in the
like the rise of far right Christian fascism, like it's
it's it's so absurd, but in a very dark way,

(09:41):
like it's it's it's. Yeah. I heard Kanye this morning.
This is what days of October October a clip from
Pierce Morgan no less, like trying to call him on
his anti Semitism and yeah, just like I know we're
talking about candidates, but it's like it's in the same
vein of like, ain't no way you believe is is

(10:04):
in in that He was like, listen, I apologize. I
was talking about my experience in the music industry, which
is a verifiable fact ran by Jews. And I was like,
you bro, you ain't no way, ain't no way, and

(10:24):
just areak character like Alex Jones broke character before, like
uh was Tuck Across in both character Tuck Across and
in court was like this entertainment, don't take me serious,
you know, just like let me have that moment where
I'm like, Okay, at least be honest with what I'm
dealing with here, Just break character like this, Just give

(10:45):
me that at least I know what I'm dealing with. No, Yeah,
like saying this is an open question, you cannot say
the word Jewish that people are getting upset, like you
know what you're doing, you know exactly what and with
the with the after the like death calm three tweets
follow up implying that Jewish people emitted cancel culture, like
Robert said, directly referenced that that's that is just directly

(11:07):
ripped from like Nazi theory um like it's it's it's
so blatant. Like even even Cannice Owens boss Ben Shapiro
had to acknowledge that Kanye's tweets were anti Semitic. He
he made He made a tweet saying back from the
Jewish Holiday now, which don't like Ben Shapiro, I know

(11:29):
what you're doing. I know what you're calling it to
the Jewish holiday. Fuck you back from the Jewish Holiday now.
As usual, two things can be true at once. Kanye's
moves towards pro life faith and family conservatism are encouraging
his death com three posts and black Hebrew is the
Light Language are clearly anti Semitic and disturbing. It's like

(11:51):
Ben Shapiro, like the more this is, this is, this
is this, This is basically Ben Shapiro saying the more
he agrees with me, the more he becomes an Nazi.
But I'm sure this is just a coincidence, which which
I did steal from. I did steal that from someone
on Twitter, so wes um, Well, thanks gonna be true? Look, look,

(12:14):
both things, both things canna be Let's say that you
all right? Um, I'm gonna do I'm gonna do a
brief tangent on this guy named Jason Woodlock. So Woodlock
is a sports journalist and podcaster who hosts the show
Fearless Soldiers on Glenn Beck's Blaze Media, where he quote
protects the realm of common sense and challenges the group

(12:37):
think mandated by elites um and he has like over
half a million followers on Twitter dot com. He made
a series of not great statements that are still up
and went extremely viral with a lot of likes, UM saying,
quote Kanye West and Dave Chappelle, is there a pattern
the industry wants both of them canceled? Black efforts and

(13:00):
comedians are free to denigrate to black people and white
men a million different ways, but there's a line they
better not cross, and everyone knows it. I wonder, I
wonder what he's saying. I wonder what he's implying there.
The conflation of this is actually also as person a
member of the black community car carrying that is that

(13:21):
is frustrating, and that we do need to talk about,
you know, among ourselves, like what is acceptable in terms
of how we speak about our own women, how we
speak about you know, our fellow brothers and sisters in
the world. That is something that needs to be discussed.
But you don't get to call it at you know.

(13:43):
So Jason Jason is black, but he similarly works for
a far right media company. Um, I'm gonna give you.
I'm gonna give you a phrase and you could use
this later. Okay, I'm pretty sure Serene knows it too.
It's all scan folk and king folk. So just and
what he's talking about here, saying that there's there's there's

(14:05):
a you're you're free to you know, talk about, you know,
bad things that black people and white people have done.
The line that you better not cross. He's he's obviously
talking about Jewish people. Um, someone some of someone asking him, Hey,
what's what is this line? And then Jason posted you
can't question black entertainers unhealthy relationship with non religious Jewish

(14:27):
power brokers in Hollywood. Yeah okay, yeah uh he this
this was obviously called out as being extremely anti Semitic
um which then he replied, you think I have a
problem with people who speak a Semitic language, Not true.
I have a problem with the secular culture, particularly Hollywood's

(14:49):
promotion of it and black celebrities embrace of it. I
believe those celebs have an unhealthy partnership with non religious
Jewish people. Which is that was a dance again, this
is this is just exactly you're just doing anti semitism
Like you can't. You can't, like it's not about speaking
of a Semitic language, and you know that, like you

(15:10):
know this, You're man, You're you're just doing a bit
like and here's what's crazy, Like you know, in in
my early days of like moving into more like activist
kind of justice circles and and for real, like even
in some of the like church spaces I was in
because again I grew up in like a very different

(15:30):
church tradition than the rest of these foods, is that
the Jewish community was, in a lot of ways upheld
as an example for us in that like, look, they
don't let nobody talk about nobody. They don't let they
don't they don't let it ride. You're not allowed to talk.
And they were like, we need to be like that.

(15:52):
They were like the way that, the way that, like,
look they come in they said, up their community. They
they keep their money within their community, like their dollars
circulated around that and when you look at like statistics,
they were saying among the black communities, like a dollar,
you know, a dollar only circulates once through our community,
what I'm saying, And like I don't have the numbers right,
but they were saying, like within the Jewish community, that

(16:12):
dollar goes around like fifty six seventy eight times because
they support each other, you know. And they were like
that's something that as black people, we need to start
learning how to do, like yo, stop being crabs in
the bucket, like support each other. You know what I'm saying.
Man learned from their community, you know, learned from the
fact that, like you know, they keep their narrative alive.
They don't allow oppression to happen to them. They they

(16:33):
stuck together, how they've accrued wealth. You know what I'm saying.
I don't know how healthy this understanding is but I'm
saying that's what we saw, like look at how they
accrued wealth, like learned from them, you know. So so
when it when when you hear it coming out of
a black entertainer's mouth, something antis, it just it grates
even more because you just like, man, what like I

(16:56):
think one of the acts of that, which we're actually
gonna get to in a bit, is some of that
kind of admiration can be a double edged sword though
it is. That's what I'm saying, Like I don't know
how healthy it is, Like that's what we were taught. Yeah, yeah,
but like like like what you said about like there
you know how a dollar circulates way more. You see
Kanye later starting to use some of that rhetoric in
terms of promoting Jewish people as like controllers of financial engineering,

(17:21):
like you see that type of you see that bridge.
We're gonna talk about that like in a sect. Also
quick piece of history about Jewish Jewish people in banking,
which it's ill like they as a people got into that.
They were basically they were forced to because they weren't
allowed farmland, like you weren't allowed to farm. So they're like, well,

(17:41):
we gotta find a job. Somehow, let's do banking, you maddice.
They're good at it, like you know, I mean, I mean,
like this is this part that's like really can't. I'm like,
you know why, you know why jazz exists? Segregation, naked racism,
that's why blues. Why is there hip hop? Because sep
sect Like we did something with the trash you gave us,

(18:04):
Like so I think that, yeah, anyway, segregation made that happen.
I'm going to read a quote from Yah Rosenberg. Quote
cos tweets exemplify why anti Semitism is so hard to uproot.
It's a self affirming conspiracy theory. The ant the anti
Semite claims that Jews control everything. Then if they're penalized
for their bigotry, they point to that as proof. Heads

(18:26):
they win, tails Jews lose. Kanye posted his second tweet
before the First World was taken down, perfectly demonstrating how
the Jews control everything is a preemptive anti Semitic defense
against consequences for expressing anti Semitism. It's a common misconception
that anti Semitism is just a personal prejudice against Jewish people.
It's not. It's also a conspiracy theory about how the

(18:48):
entire world works, which is why it ropes in conspiracy
theorists from all ideologies and all backgrounds. It creates this
antagonizing catch twenty two for Jews when confronted with anti Semitism.
If we say nothing, the hatred spreads unchecked. If we
say something and it results in any consequences for the
anti Semite, the bigot just uses that as proof of

(19:09):
their anti Semitic worldview. So that's a good kind of
one oh one explainer on how this kind of whole
thing operates. You know, talking about Jewish power brokers in
Hollywood and people called out on that, They're like, oh see,
this is an example of them trying to silence the truth,
and you know, all of this type of ship. Um.

(19:29):
The one super interesting thing that has happened since all
of these tweets and the actor math and stuff has
has has happened is that we got some leaked video
from the Tucker Carlson and con Gae video. So this
is this, this, this is this is fascinating. Um. So

(19:53):
Vice Vices Motherboard obtained footage of Kanye making big need
statements about Utish people and bizarre clams about fake children
as well as describing visions of connecting of kinetic energy
cities sent to him by God. And uh, we're not
sure how Vice got these unaired clips, but we have

(20:17):
them and they're extremely fascinating both on for like what
Kanye is doing and how he made these statements before
his tweets. Um. Also it's interesting on like what Tucker
is doing, like your explicitly obfus skating direct anti Semitism
but still allowing the dog whistles to be to be present.
Um So Inside their interview that that did air, Carlson

(20:41):
and Kanye together outlined some of Fox's favorite boogeyman from
the Clinton's COVID restrictions, cancel culture and liberal elites. But
what Fox left on the cutting room floor is just
as revealing. The Tucker Carlson Tonight's team decided to edit
out a clip of Kanye saying that he's vaccinated against
COVID nineteen, which is okay yeah. In a segment talking

(21:03):
about black genocide and planned parenthood, they edited out Kanye's
statements about the lost twelve tribes of Judah. Planned parenthood
was made by Margaret Sanger, a known eugenics with the
KKK two control the jew population. When I say ju,

(21:24):
I mean the twelve Lost Tribes of Judah, the Blood
of Christ. Who the race the people known as the
race black really are? This is who are people are
the Blood of Christ. This as a Christian is my belief.
So inside the television broadcast, it has it has those
parts about planned parenthood and the KKK, but then after

(21:48):
he mentions the KKK, it cuts three seconds ahead, so
it skips over all that stuff around Jews and the
lost twelve Tribes of Judah, which kind of get that
is that is some of the type of black Hebrew
Israel stuff that Robert and prop we're talking about in
the previous episode, how they're they're one of the lost
tribes who went south. Um. So that that is that.

(22:10):
But it's interesting, so like he's directly talking about that
way before his tweets that Tucker just completely edited out
now on the on the planned parenthood point. So Sanger
was indeed a racist and the genesist um a stance
that the Planned Parenthood organization has since like obviously denounced um.
But you know, claims about Planned Parenthood specifically operating to

(22:32):
kill unborn black babies are just common rhetoric in the
pro life like circles and conspiracy spaces. It's not that
that part is not really true, but it is a
very common talking point that Margaret Sanger point is is
something that like, yeah, you know, even I like in
my sort of you know, evolution of the way I

(22:55):
think and feel and believe. You know, I'm the child
of a black panther, you know what I'm saying. And
so like when you you you hear things about eugenics
and Margaret Sanger in the connection to planing aired but
and you're like, oh, well, yeah, no, that stuff is evil,
you know what I mean? Um, and you know, obviously
I I'm a I'm assist gendered male, you know. So

(23:18):
there there's definitely holes in the story of understanding the
complications of what it means, what abortion and reproductive rights mean,
because I just I didn't know, you know. And uh,
but as you you know, grow mature, travel for me,
like the the biggest the biggest change in my thinking

(23:39):
has been travel and relationships and just you know what
I used to say reading off the Naughty List, you know, uh,
and you start understanding those complications. But yeah, that was
like that that Margaret sanger note is a note that's
hit often, you know, and it becomes very difficult until
you're like so you till you until you in the situation,

(24:03):
you know what I mean, and like you are like, look,
this is this is this is affordable healthcare and it's
right down the street, you know, And when you're in
that situation, it's like again, like all the boogeyman's and
all the stories and all the warnings, all of it
falls apart, you know, once you actually see this stuff
in practice. So yeah, that but that that market saying
well I was it. That's a tough pill to swallow.

(24:24):
And the Planned Parent Organization has spent a long time
trying to amend for their for their like an initial
inclination and some of the like you genicists starting points
that that they had and making sure that they're not
they're not you know, continuing in that oh yeah, and
like and like actually addressing like hey, is is the

(24:47):
locations of our clinics specifically geared towards like being in
more targeted communities where it's like lower class and people
of color as opposed to white, affluent communities. And they
have they have taken steps to actually like make sure
that they're planning of clinics and locations is not it's
not oversaturated in Yeah. And that being said, I'm like

(25:08):
white communities they got healthcare, so it's like there was
a different story, you know what I'm saying. It's like,
you go where it's needed. I'm like, I ain't got
no healthcare over here. That's why they here, you know.
I mean, this isn't obviously, this isn't a planned parenthood
stand video or podcast. But at the same time, I'm like, well,
of course they got their problems, like every other organization
got their problems. But like the idea that there's this

(25:30):
like sinister plot, you know, is clearly the rantings of
someone who is not well. It does it's it is parenting,
just conspiracy talking points at this point, the way the
way he doesn't, the way he's doing. And in one
of the more blatantly anti semitic sections that were that
was edited out, Kanye complains about Kwanza being taught to

(25:54):
his kids in school and and and says that he
would prefer his kids learned Hanaka because it comes with
financial engineering. Was biting my tongue on my political opinion
because I thought it would be better for my children.
And now you look up and my kids are going
to a school that teaches black kids a complicated kwanza.

(26:16):
I prefer my kids new hanaka the kwanza. At least
it will come with some financial engineering. I'm sorry what wait?
I mean? This is? This is this type of thing,
like you should learn from the Jews because they're good
at controlling money. Like yeah, it makes me feel like
he purposely tweeted that stuff because it was cut out,

(26:37):
like because like maybe uthering his idea of being I mean,
I think I think he tweeted that stuff out. He
tweeted that he tweeted up on Twitter in response to
him getting banned on Instagram, and the stuff on Instagram
was directly against a rapper who was calling him out
on his ship. UM. I don't know if Kanye watched
the Tucker Carlson interview. I don't know. Um. And then,

(27:02):
in one of the more bizarre things that he said,
Kanye West talked about a so called fake child that
had been planted in his home, including he went into
explicit detail talking about the child's name and the parents name.
And this this video clip was not posted to protect
the family's privacy. Um, but he went into great detail,

(27:24):
and we have some we have some like transcripts saying
I actors, professional actors placed into my house to sexualize
my kids. He he He referred to the so called
son of an associate, seemingly implying that the child was fake,
saying that we we we we did not believe that
the person was her son because he was way smarter

(27:46):
than her. Um, and he it's it's the this is
like the most clear example of the ramblings of someone
who like isn't okay, Like it's like like someone having
a mental health episode. Like. He has spoken frequently about
living with bipolar disorder and experiencing manic episodes. In twenty nineteen,
he discussed how experiences these with David Letterman, saying, quote,

(28:09):
when you're in the state, you're hyper apparently about everything
and everyone in my experience, other people have different experiences.
You know, everyone is now an actor, Everything is now
a conspiracy unquote. This is what's happening. You're thinking everyone's
an actor and everyone's conspiracy. You're really I mean, you
can look at gang stocking, which is probably an expression
of people having schizophrenic episodes. Where people believe that, like

(28:33):
crowds of just random folks on the street are like
part of an organized stocking thing, or just there's these
One kind of common thing that happens in psychotic episodes
for some people is a belief that their loved ones,
their spouse, or whatever has been replaced by someone who
looks exactly the sin. There's also certain kinds of like
we call that. We call that Nathan Fielder syndrome. I

(28:58):
was going to say that, but I didn't want to
drag hive it to this. It's I mean, it's one
of those This is I don't know how you actually
would ever study this, but I think one of the
major problems are our civilization has that might actually end
us is the fact that every mental illness on the
planet is vastly exacerbated by the person having a lot

(29:20):
of money, which also happens to make it virtually impossible
to treat because no one around you will admit that
anything's wrong. And this again might someday, combined with the
fact that we have an addiction on this planet to
handing a single individual the keys to a nuclear stockpile,
this might all end in really badly for everybody, and
when you're one of those famous people in the world,

(29:42):
you constantly feel like you're being gang stocked because you
are yes, like watching you like like it's it's not
humans weren't designed to reach that level of fame. That's
not something that we'd like developed it Like, that's that's
you should that should not be possible. Our brains are
not a up for it. Yeah, And then I feel
like it's like they get affirmed in that belief because

(30:05):
a lot of people do rely on them and maybe
they're mania to like make sure they get paid or
make sure like their family. Absolutely they're being Yeah, you're
being you know. I like I have a small list
of like actual like a list like celebrity friends who
have been you know who are like for real celebrities.

(30:29):
And also like yeah, my uh, my last accountant stole
two hundred thousand dollars from me, Like and I didn't
even know, you know, uh, this person, you know, I
had this person on tour with me and you know
they robbed this guy robbed the opener, Like just all
these like stories to where you're like, well, yeah, the
people you do have around you, So even if you

(30:51):
didn't have mental health issues, you would get paranoid. You
would still get paranoid. Yeah, it's for example, to get paranoid.
I mean, yeah, it's I yeah, all of it's all
of this is very obvious as a problem. But and
what's unsettling to me, Sorry, I just want to say

(31:13):
really quickly, one of the things that the fact that Kanye,
as you you pointed out years earlier, very astutely talked
about the things that happened to him when he is
having an episode in a very lucid way, makes me
wonder and maybe this is a little conspiratorial where they
are people listening who are like, well, shit, if we
can just play into that stuff, we might be able

(31:33):
to get him to we might be able to push
him in whatever direction we want. Because there's definitely a
whole bunch of people. I mean, I can totally see
Kendae someone's doing that because because she's she's been playing
him like a fiddle for a long time, and that's
a long time that's gonna reach a tipping point at
the end, at the end, end end of this episode.
So one one could ask, how could you be so heartless?

(31:57):
How could you be so it wasn't how could you
be there evil? But also I didn't get that along
the same thread of a tortured artist thinking they have
to be depressed, yes, make art. I think there's an
element of that even for Kanye, Like I don't think,
I mean, I think it was if he's medicated or not,
you know what I mean, Like I think he is.

(32:18):
He has said that sometimes he goes auf medication. Yeah, exactly,
you know, and I and yeah, the tortured artist thing.
I know some like New York Times bestsellers authors who
are like, yes, I know I'm bipolar, and I know
when I have to write this book, I'm going to
get off these pills. I'm going to write it in
in two days. I'm going to turn in. That's that's

(32:40):
made worse by people like tying, like people in doing
my research for this episode, a lot of people talk
to us in person and like talk about like his genius,
And I think this idea of his genius mixed in
with his mental state can create a really volatile reaction
someone's brain when they feel like certain altered states of

(33:00):
consciousness are what makes you have your genius. And that's
really the way people have talked about this to Conning
in person. I think it's really unhealthy. Yeah. I would
argue that telling a child they're a genius is abusive,
and it's probably true for telling an adult. It's one
of the worst things you can ever tell anybody. Don't don't,
No one's a genius. Stop using that word. It's poison.

(33:24):
You think your illness is your genius? Yeah, going back
to this, like to these leaked unused Tucker Carlson videos,
something like this in a better world would like completely

(33:44):
tank Tucker forever. Like, yeah, it should, But none of
that matters because in any other yeah, in any other universe,
at that point you should be like, yo, we gotta
stop the cameras man. No, yeah, Yeah. This leak reveals
unequivocally how Carlson uses this form to sanitize anti Semitism
and other conspiracy theories for a general audience. Carlson cuts

(34:05):
out just enough to claim plausible deniability. This will not
impact him professionally at all. Um, he makes his he
makes a living manipulating people on Fox News. Um, this
should tank him. It won't, but it does reveal how
he works with extreme clarity, having these behind the scenes
glimpses and then Also having having the added context of

(34:27):
these cut segments also shines a light on some of
the more dog whistle the aspects that did make it
into the aired interview. Uh like this bit that started
with that that that that started with Kanye talking about
his grievances with Jared Kushner, you know, or he made
these peace treaties? Where was that? Do you know the
facts on this right here? So I'm like, well, I
think that was between Israel and some of the Arab nations.

(34:50):
I just think it was to make money. I don't know,
is that is that too heavy handed to put in
this platform? No, that's that's your opinion. We're not in
a censorship business, thank you. And I just think that
that's what they're about, is making money. I don't think
that they have the ability to make anything on their own.

(35:10):
I think they were born into money. So when Kanye
said I don't think they have the ability to make
anything on their own and talking about, you know, peace
treatise with the intention to make money, Carlson knew that
Kanye was just talking about like the Jews, Like that's
like he he knew that's what was going on and
decided to keep those dog whistling aspects. It's yeah, I'm

(35:33):
I'm going to quote from a lad near ry. This
provides uncontrovertible proof that Carlson knew Kanye was being anti
Semitic during the interview. In other words, Tucker Carlson and
his team purposely edited their footage to make Kanye's comments
into a dog whistle instead of a foghorn. He purposely
coded Kanye's anti semitism. Carlson knows how to spread anti

(35:54):
semitism while avoid getting called out. He did it here.
This itself should be far bigger scandal than anything Condie
has said. Carlson knowingly spreaded this code anti semitism and
knowingly kept the anti semitism that he knew he wouldn't
get called out on, and knowingly cut the part that
he knew would get him in trouble. Carlson has spent

(36:14):
has spent years spreading anti Semitic conspiracy theories, from a
full documentary about George Sorrows destroying Western civilization to multiple
uses of the Great Replacement conspiracy theory, to anti Semitic
guests talking about globalist elites ruling in d C. This
is who Tucker Carlson is America's leading purveyor of mainstream
anti Semitism. He also showed everybody the the ultra light

(36:39):
beam to the genitals. He did one of good things
and it was more based moments. That was pretty Uh
that was the thing. I was like, all right, man,
okay did genital tannin? Got it? Uh? But yeah, that's
his that's his particular Like mutant power is saying something

(37:03):
without saying something, and all of us know what you're saying,
but you ain't say it. So when I go, what
then did you just say? You could say? What are
you talking about? Nothing? You know it? I mean he's
got I mean he's he's the Picasso. It at like
just and it's and it's so inferiorating and speaking of

(37:24):
kind of dog whistles and stuff, similar to Kanye has
been about the Jews creating canceler culture by doing the whole.
I don't think they have the ability to make anything
on their own statement. Kanye isn't playing another kind of
classic an anti Semitic trope that or that originates with
Nazi propaganda. Um that you know, Jews are incapable of
physical labor or making things. This comes up a lot.

(37:47):
In the nineteen forty Nazi propaganda film The Eternal Jew,
one of the most vile films ever, made a quote
from Mike Rothschild, so and now, I I don't think
Kanye Kandie is not seeing the Eternal Jew. All the
only people most weird not see nerds who referenced the

(38:08):
Eternal Jew haven't seen the Eternal Jew. Like But but
the point is that you don't need to see it.
These these these stereotypes are so ingrained to how many
people see Jewish people that there's things that you can
believe without the slightest consideration or like a deep thought. Well,
and they were, you know, the The Eternal Jew was
influential in anti Semitic propaganda, but a lot of what

(38:30):
it was doing was kind of codifying, almost, if you will,
the most popular stereotypes and racialist attacks of the day.
Like it. It didn't invent stuff so much as it
was like, all right, we're going to we're going to
boil it all down in kind of the most iconic form. Yeah,
there's house today years old. I had no idea what

(38:50):
you sum up, uh, But but I can see how
that concept has such source material because as somebody who you, oh,
I have just anti Semitism is just has never been
on the menu for me. Um. Some of the the

(39:11):
tropes that come with that, in my mind seems so
bizarre from like what are you talking what did that
come from? What did you talking about? They did what? Now?
You know? So like someone like so to know that, like,
well there is source material, there's there's stuff that comes
from it comes from this time. It was because it
is because this was like an intentional thing that people

(39:33):
have been pushing towards for hundreds of years, like this
is it's it's yes, this didn't just happen, this is
like people are trying to make this a reality like
it's it's it has been a propaganda project and a
hate campaign that's been genocidal for hundreds of years. Yeah,
because I'm like okay, you know at sometimes okay, I'm

(39:58):
trying to say what up? Let me try figure out
what I'm trying to SA. Sometimes you can track yeah,
like the protocols, Like the protocols. I was like, until
you understand those protocols, Like some of the anti Semitic
thought and rhetoric is like, man, what are you talking about?
Like what you know, text like that don't just like
pop into existence. Someone wrote that with a specific intent,
with an intent for something. But what I'm the point

(40:20):
I'm trying to get at is like there are some
racist sentiments and tropes that I I'm following your logic
as to why you're saying that about them, Like, clearly
it's a racist shrope. But black men are violent, And
I'm like, well, okay, I mean, if all you know

(40:40):
of us is gang violence, if that's all you've seen,
and I'm following your logic, you've just never been exposing
any other stuff. Now, once you get exposing and stuff,
you still feel like that. It's like, all right, you
just you just trash, You just you just trash. But
I'm like, I'm following, I'm following you. You know what
I mean. You only know rap music, Okay, that's all
you know of us? Okay, then you think that this
is what we all are racist because clearly most people

(41:02):
are more than everybody's more than the one thing you're
trying to put them in, you know, But I'm following that.
It's just for me again, like I said, since like
anti Semitism was never on the menu, like it was
never just it just wasn't a part of my world.
When you hear things like the Protocols of Zion and
and some of this stuff, even even learning about the Holocaust,

(41:23):
Like if you're a black person, you like, what's your deal?
Like why what what you? What is so wrong with them?
Like I don't understand why you don't like them so much?
Like it it's just it's like I can't even follow
your logic, you know, because it's not even personal hatred
of all people, right, It's it's framed within this conspiratorial thing.

(41:47):
But like, no, I don't hate Jewish people. I'm just
questioning the Jewish power brokers in Hollywood, and I think
that they have too much influence. Right, That's how it's framed,
and that's how people That's how someone like Kandie might
actually like might actually feel because he works in Hollywood.
Yeah right, but but that but that is the only
way you get there is because of decades of anti Semitism.

(42:08):
Like that, that's it's it's it's it's that's that's the
kind of point I was trying. Yeah, J k Rowling,
Banker Goblins didn't just like exists by itself exactly like nothing.
None of these things are made in a vacuum. They
thought of that to you said it, oh ship, oh yeah,
there's a start of David on the floor of the bank.
I didn't even notice it. That the point out it's yeah, one.

(42:33):
I mean, one of the things people will point out
that is true is that that was not a set.
They were filming in an actual building and they chose
to have that there, and and the building had a
star of David in the floor and they chose to
film there. Yes, it seems like that would have been
something people might have noticed, Yeah, at least somebody who
had not even over it, not even just like yo yo,

(42:57):
maybe maybe listen, maybe we don't mean anything by it,
but it could be seen as you know, yeah, and
just like just like, none of these things that are
in a vacuum, and Kanye's own statements are not in
a vacuum. After Kanye made these tweets, uh, you know,
fourth Chan was quick to take it, was quick to

(43:20):
eat up the Kanye pill. There Kanye Kanye threads took
up of took up most of polls posts for for days.
There's there's just there's screenshots of of poll just Kanye
post after Kanye post, all of all of the trending
ones are all about Kanye uh. Nick Frentz and his
like Graper followers were celebrating the tweets and they see

(43:43):
this as an opportunity took on a mainstream you know
there their brand of horrible anti Semitic fascism um, and
I hope people are prepared to take on you know,
fake Kanye stand accounts that are gonna pop up everywhere
to defending it any semitism, you know, and defending and
talking about anti Semitism from the point of quote unquote

(44:04):
being a Kanye fan. It's there's a lot of Yeah.
I was like, we've been a lot of fascist trolling
is gonna it's gonna come in the mask of Kanye
West now. And we have been Yeah, we've I mean,
we've been enduring among black Twitter. We have been enduring
Kanye stands for a while. You know what I'm saying
that are just like, no, you're just a genius. You

(44:25):
don't understand he's playing three D. We've been enduring this
for a while. It's actually been very interesting in the
sphere of the Internet. I existed of seeing people being
like uh, yeah, no, I got nothing. Yeah, there has
been a good amount of people that are finally tapped out.
And I think, well, I think, what does that type

(44:45):
of vacuum opens up space for bad actors to use
the mask of Kanye to then just promote fascism under
under this mask now like Trump? Sure, I mean like,
and I think this creates a more specific type of
dog whistle think because Mega's obviously way more way more broad.

(45:06):
I meant, like like Kanye's use of as absolutely, I mean,
we have you know, Nick Frentees posted the tweets and
his in his telegrams saying no way, we are so back.
Do you trust the plan? Baked Alaska? Do you trust
the plan? Baked Alaska posted his telegram this is real

(45:27):
vindicated and one of my least favorite telegram channels zoomer Waffen,
which god, just god, it's called every every time I
talked about Zoomerwaffen, I like, I lose five years of life.
So people again, because folks who are not terminally online
or like, what are you guys talking about? Waffen means

(45:50):
weapon in German. The reason that it is a thing
the Nazis talk about is that the s S had
like a bunch of different things the s S did,
but one of the things they had a unit that
existed within kind of the traditional hierarchy called the Waffen
s S, which means the Weapons SS. They committed a
shipload of war crimes. Ever since, Waffen has been a
thing that you can kind of like stick to the

(46:11):
end of the name of a group and you're signifying
that you think the SS was based Adam. Waffen is
kind of the most prominent terrorist group in the United
States and other countries. That's been a big thing. And
you know, it's not like Zoom, like you get what
they're saying, Zoom or Waffen, Right, it's the thing anyway,
That's that's what you need to know. I just I

(46:31):
just I get so pissed because I'm like these fucking nerds,
dangerous sucking nerds. It sucks. Yeah, I hate you. Yes,
I'm just like you, just you. God, if you weren't
so dangerously violent, you know, just locking nerds. Ye, that's that.

(46:55):
That is the recurring statement on this show, yes, is
that if it weren't dangerous, they would be much more funny. Um. So, yeah,
the Zoomerwafins posted the tweet and not not not all
heroes wear capes somewhere easy gap merch and with its anyway. So,
just two days after the anti semitic posts on his

(47:18):
social media accounts which got him banned, Conye then attended
the Nashville premier of Candice Owens Daily Wire documentary project
The Greatest Lie Ever Sold George Floyd and the Rise
of BLM. And just imagine being one of the most
famous people on the planet and choosing to hang out

(47:40):
with the Daily Wire. Yeah, it's like like the like
they like the word grooming obviously means nothing now, but
like they they groomed him into this ship. Like basically
they and groomed him into this nonsense. It's Kanye made
a lot of choices here, and those choices were like

(48:01):
very selfish and based in narcissism. And while he is sick,
he's not a victim fundamentally, but he also is being
taken advantage of, right, Like that's that's fair to say.
That doesn't exculpate him from his guilt in this. But
Mr West another another Kanye reference, Wake up Mr West

(48:22):
and like like real quick, the the part that is
so well, obviously it's all inferiorating. But I'm like, you're
you're you're going out of your way to purposefully tear
down black people when they suffering. You don't have to,

(48:48):
you don't You could even say, like, hey, you know,
which is true, Like there are some in the organization
of Black Lives Matter as an organization, there's some problematic
stuff that needs to be discussed and worked out, you
know what I'm saying in and being like, Okay, well,
let's get some oversight here. What are we doing here,
Let's have some accountability and why are you why are
you into man well, because this is this is this

(49:09):
is Kenneth Owens like explicit grift exactly. That's she Her
job is to conflate the Black Lives Matter nonprofit organization
with the Black Lives Matter movement and and and and
use criticisms of the nonprofit organization to basically say that
any form of advocacy by people of color in you know,

(49:31):
using the Black Lives Matter movement banner is is discredited
because of the issues with the formal nonprofit organization in Portland,
I have never I've never seen a single thing related
to the Black Lives Matter organization, not a single thing.
I mean, I guess maybe the signs like are solved
by them. I don't know that. But like, it's it's
not it's not a president. We're talking about up risings.

(49:55):
It's not a fit. Like it's the the conflation of
the of the nonprofit organization with the movement is the
specific thing that Canadasaons has focused on for the past
five years of her career. That's that's what she makes
money on, is exploiting this little thing. And it's the
thing that Tucker has adopted, and this is the thing
that she is convinced. It's just so it's just so

(50:15):
like what do you do, Like, okay, so any anything, okay,
talk about talk about globalism you okay, that's your little thing.
That's your little thing. Okay. Uh, you know you don't
like that, you don't like the Democrats, you know, you know,
Brandon whatever. But it's like, Okay, a man died and

(50:37):
and that's and the cop was proven guilty and that
that's that's the most gross part. Because Kanye is embrace
of conpc theories now a right like, but his ambracive
conspiracy theories is not just limited to anti is not
just limited to anti Semitism. He now openly denies the
proven facts of the events that led to the most
recent international uprising in the Black Lives Matter movement. He

(50:59):
jumped on board his pal Kendas owens absurd quote unquote
documentary that claims the sequence of events proven in court
and witnessed by the world via self and footage, did
not actually happen. Um. That's why I'm like, you're going
out of your way now. It's like you you're you're
on a path, and I'm like, you're purposefully going out

(51:20):
of your way to hurt us. And that's the part
that I'm like what I said. I don't use the
word cone often, but I'm like, like, why are you
doing Why are you doing this? Like you're you're well
because we know why you're doing it. And it's just
like Candice come home, Like Cape Cape for the Republicans,

(51:40):
do what you gotta do. If you honestly think the
solutions for our community comes from the conservative world, Cape
for him, do what you gotta You don't have to
go out of your way like this is you're going
to like you're taking the scenic route to just like Okay,
it's they it's because I don't They don't actually believe

(52:04):
that that's what the solutions are. They're just they're just
living a really wealthy, extravagant lifestyle. Candaons gets to travel
with Kanye West to Paris Fashion Week, she gets to
have a red Caver premier with Kanye West, Kid Rock
and ray J. Like that's that's the life that she
has been able to create by exploding this thing. And
of course she's going to do it because that's how

(52:26):
you become a millionaire. Two kinds of people get successful
on the right. One kind is fuck you got mine.
I'm gonna get what I can as quickly as I can. Uh.
And the other is I want to create a Christian
fascist ethno state. UM. Like those are the two kinds,
and one feeds into the other. And Candas Owens has decided,

(52:47):
I'm fine with helping the other kind of prominent conservative
accomplish their goals because it won't get too bad, you know,
during my lifetime. I can make enough money. I'm one
of the good ones. They're like, this is this is
this is the same thing with someone like Blair White
for you know, for um, for trans issues, there's there's
there's a specific tokenized figures Dave Reuben with you know

(53:12):
with gay people, like if they align as one of
the good ones and they think that things won't get
bad enough in their lifetime, and they'll they'll they'll just
they'll just be able to profit. Yeah. Wait, wait, just
to make sure, is Dave Reuben the dude that was like, well,
scientifically speaking, a mermaid couldn't be that dark. No, that's uh,

(53:36):
that feels like a Ben Shapiro or crowd or bit.
I I don't remember specifically, Okay, I thought that was
the way. It was hilarious. It was one of those clowns.
They scientifically speaking, they're all paid by the same dude.
It doesn't matter. It's like, I still need to get
this joke off. So it's rushing that Kanye not only

(53:57):
just attended the premiere, but it's now actually pair the
disinformation and the and the talking points that Kenneth Owens
used in her faux documentary. So just a few days
after he went to the Red Carpet, he started spreading
the disinformation on the police's murder of George Floyd on
a podcast. I watched the George Floyd documentary at Candice

(54:17):
Owen's put up. One of the things that his two
roommates said was, they want a tall guy like me,
they want a talk guy like me. And the day
when he died, he said a prayer for you know,
eight minutes. He said a prayer for eight minutes. They
hit him with the fence and all if you look

(54:40):
at the guy's knee wasn't even on his neck like
that when he said Mama, mama, his is his girlfriend?
He said, he's screamed for his mama. Mama was his
girlfriend is in the documentary. So that's pretty bad. Um.
And after after that he starts talking about other kind
of random conspiracy theory stuff that another leads him to

(55:01):
making more comments about the Jews. Um, So here's that clip.
They blocked me out, the Jewish media block me out.
This ship lit right, I'm lit right, I'm lit I'm
lit You know what I'm saying. JP Morrigan, I put
a hundred forty million dollars and the JP Morgan and
they treated me like ship. So if JP Morgan Chase

(55:24):
is treating me like that, how they treating the rest
of you? And this Chase accounts. That's what I'm saying,
I am outraged by the time. People always they want
to calm it down because no matter what, you didn't
break no law. I didn't break a law anything, But
this is it's like a social contract. Candis has a

(55:45):
word for them forgetting. But it's basically like they told
Candis and she couldn't hang out with me for the
Jewish people. What I'm doing is I'm me too in
the Jewish culture. I'm saying, y'all gotta stand up and
admit to what you've been doing one and y'all just
got away with it for so long did y'all don't
even realize what you're doing. And it's like, I can't

(56:08):
funk with me either, because y'all behind that gate of fish,
y'all soft, Your hands got soft. You ain't out here
getting beat up every day like me. You ain't out
here getting called crazy every day like me. I'm not
gonna play anymore of that podcast because honestly, this is
where it starts getting into the territory where it's just
kind of exploiting someone's mental health issues for entertainment, and

(56:30):
it gets like this is where it gets very disjointed.
Connie starts talking about how the Louis Vatan company killed
one of his friends, Yeah, who actually died of cancer. Um,
it's a it's a conspiracy that Connie's developed the past year.
And he also talked about this for seven minutes UM
in the unused Tucker Carlson segments, which I'm also not

(56:51):
going to include because it's also for context, like Virgil
is like royalty among our community, like what he did
being the verst black like head designer at Louis Batton. Um,
and I think a lot of us, think a lot
of us I sound like Trump. A lot of people

(57:11):
are saying no, but there is an understanding that um
like in a lot of ways Kanye was jealous of him,
Um in the in the way that he was able
to succeed and Louis Batton. And then now that he's
gone and and clearly Kanye doesn't grieve well yea. And

(57:32):
another segment of the Tucker leak includes a clip where
Kanye is discussing visions from God on how to build
free energy and fully kinetic energy communities and kinetic energy cities.
So this combine, like this is where I'm not going
to actually include any more clips of Kanye, because it's
just it's it's just the laughing at the person who's

(57:53):
not doing okay. But and that's not cool. Now obviously,
like mental illness is not cannot be used as an
excuse for bigotry or anti semitism. Um. But exploding someone's
suffering through like up a manic episode to score political
points is also like immoral. Um. And we're seeing a

(58:14):
lot of like false choices being presented towards mental illness
and anti semitism, And the answer can actually be both. Um.
You know, those struggling with mental illness do not kind
of they don't originate these types of bigotry, right um.
But in but when you're manic, you can latch onto
things and reflect them. Um. And I's not saying it's okay,

(58:37):
but that also it's we should not deny that. Like
I have seen a lot of people saying like, mentally
ill people don't say racist things, which are like, that's
not true. Like if like if you, if you, if
you've been around a lot of mentally ill people, they
cannot they can. It's it's it's it's the same thing
with people when people's brains are deteriorating on dementia. One

(58:58):
of the last things they can say are curse words. Yeah,
it's it's, it's it's it's one of those weird like
like vector points inside our brain. So yeah, you you
actually can be be racist when you're not usually racist
if you're experiencing a severe mental health episode, and that's
not that's not excusing you for your behavior. But also
we shouldn't create this false division, and we shouldn't like

(59:19):
in some ways, it's like you're like a gate keeping
mental illness by saying no, no real mentally ill person
could say these bad things, which actually in supportive people
experiencing mental distress. Yeah, it's on that same lane as
like the you know, the mass shooters and stuff like that. Exactly,
if you just gonna call it mental illness, then like

(59:40):
you can oviscate any responsibility. But also refusing to acknowledge
that mental health can play a factor inside some mass
shootings also misses the point exactly because it can play
a very large factor, especially in the wave of like
skitz Awave inspired shootings exactly. That's that's what I was
gonna say, that that that can inflation of something that

(01:00:02):
really is real and really is important. You know, uh
you see that. I see that with Like I've known
people who've worked in like, um, you know, like legit
human trafficking, like not like the dog Whistlee version, but
like actual rescuing you know, traffic girls from the sex

(01:00:26):
industry who were like pulled from a village you know
what I'm saying and put into a brothel, like people
that are like really out here, like actually doing the work,
you know, where trafficking is a thing, you know, and
then you conflated with these you know, conspiracies, and then

(01:00:46):
like and of course a person who really works in
this thing, you're like you finally feel like you're getting
some traction with people to actually care about the stuff
you care about, you know what I'm saying. And now
now it's like if you mentioned trafficking, it's like, yeah,
you can't. It's like how do I It's like, no, serious,
it's really a thing, Guy's really it is, you know.

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But trying to disentangle it from yeah, that's what you're saying,
is like to to do a one or the other
thing is missing the point of both situations. Yeah, yeah,
because because obviously, like Kanye isn't someone who's dealing with
like a temporary mental health episode where he's yelling slurs
on the side of a sidewalk. Kanye is like an
affulent man who's making calculated and financially driven choices. But

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that still doesn't mean that stuff like bipolar does not
play a factor in the types of impulsive decision making
he's making and the types of people that he surrounds
himself with, which influences this pattern of behavior. Combined with
like social media and combined with his celebrity status christ
the cycle of really unhealthy choices. Um. Like when when

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you're talking about like fake children being planted in your home,
like that's like, yeah, that's not like it's that's that's
not dismissing that as being no way related to mental illness,
I think is kind of a misstep. Um. I mean,
it's It's one of the things that's tough about this
is that it hits all of the areas that, like

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the primary places where conversation takes part socially are worst
at dealing with. Because like, as we've said, mental illness
is a major factor in this. It also does not
exculpate him from bad behavior. It doesn't make what he's
saying not racist, um. But it's also tied into like
this deep manipulation campaign that the right is because they've

(01:02:33):
been looking for a guy like this forever. And you
can see like that that's why Tucker and all these
folks were so quickly to spin up when he wound
up being like amenable to that, like and it's yeah,
because he's he's very clearly being encouraged to keep doing
these sort of things for like entertainment and clout um.
And I think a lot of the responses to this

(01:02:56):
kind of show how stigmatized that more severe personality disorders
are compared to stuff like anxiety or depression or a
d H d UM. Because you also don't want to
like villainize bipolar disorder instinct and stigmatize it further because
a lot of people can live with bipolar disorder. I've
known I've known people that live with with bipolar disorder
who are not going on anti semitic rants like it's

(01:03:18):
like it manifests different and lots of other people. So
it's you should not use this as an example to
stigmatize other people with this or say it's just this
um it creates you have to talk about you have
to kind of think of with this in a multi
in a multifaceted fashion where someone's not just good or
not just bad. It's actually you have to get you know,
less in too like puritanical, you know, perfectly unblemished victims

(01:03:43):
and you know evil e like like evil intention depressors
like it. It's it's more complicated than that. And the
the Internet is bad with bad bad of nuance. One
of the turns out the Internet sucks at nuance. To

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close this off, we're gonna talk about how Kanye really
has kind of been played by by people like Candace
Owens because a little over a week after his banishment
from the two big mainstream social media platforms, this past Monday,
Kandie announced that he has entered a deal to buy
the failed far right social media platform Parlor. Parlor CEO

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George Farmer said that his wife, conservative influencer Candace Owens
approached Kanye about a Parlor deal while attending his Paris
Fashion Week show where about where the payer of Them
wore the Black wore the White Lives Matter shirts. So
Candace Owens has been playing Kanye this entire time and
is and is convinced Kanye to buy her husband's failing business,

(01:04:55):
like she's just playing him. Like like Parlor has currently
only and daily active users. Even gab get Her and
Trump's and Trump's Truth Social have way more daily users
than Parlor, and Kennis Owens has convinced has convinced to
buy the platform. I'm sorry, did you say her husband

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owns Parlor? Yes, her husband is the CEO of Partner. Okay,
And for an idea of how failed it is, the
people I know who spend a lot of their time
hanging out in far right spaces don't even get on
Parlor anymore. Like it's it's it's it's not, it doesn't matter,
it's yes, it's the CEO is Kennys Owens husband. I

(01:05:42):
am a clint. I didn't. I mean it's an obvious grift,
right yeah, I'm like, see this is a bad one.
She's a very smart this is she's a successful grifter.
She that is. I can't believe it, Like she finally
broke character. What I've been asking for these last to this,

(01:06:03):
these these two hours, is give me a moment of clarity.
You just gave it to me, right like she Oh,
there it is, this is what I've been waiting for
got it I have, I've I've one more page before
we before we close out. So okay, alright, I feel
I don't know how. I can't explain this, the sense
of relief. I feel like it's so weird to say that,

(01:06:25):
but I feel so relieved that I'm like, no, it's
it's it's it's it's extremely telling and it confirms a
lot of the things that we've been thinking about what's
been going on between her and Kanye for the past
like five years. Um. So, Kanye has been hit with
a with a two d and fifty million dollar lawsuit
by the family of George Floyd. The lawsuit was filed
by Roxy Washington on behalf of her and George Floyd's

(01:06:46):
a daughter, Gina. In a statement, Washington's lawyers confirmed that
she's doing Kanye West and his business partners for defamation, harassment, misappropriation,
and infliction of emotional distress. Um and the legal team
is allegedly considered or a number of other possible defendants
in the case, including Candace Owens. So it sucks that

(01:07:07):
that's happening, but I like that, like that that's just
like re traumatizing to the entire family. Um that they're
having to dredge up all this stuff to sue fucking
Kanye West and Candace Owen's that sucks. But I hope
that they get all of their money, Like I hope
that they get to live forever on the money of

(01:07:28):
Kanye West. Um, it's like, look, dude, like again, it's
just that like that oh saying it's like, you ain't
gotta like me, but just you you don't. You also
don't have to be in my way, you know. So
even when I look at somebody like a Candice or whatever,
this like this fhear of of specifically persons of color

(01:07:50):
in this right wing grivet that I'm like, you don't, like,
you don't have to help me, but you also don't
have to hurt me, you know. And that's and that's
the part to me in I keep coming back to that,
it's like you're going out of your way to hurt us,
Like that's that's I'm like, I don't get it, man,
Like you don't, you don't have to do There is

(01:08:10):
so much money. Here's the thing. And this is gonna
sound terrible, but I mean it to be terrible. There
is so much money to be made off white people,
like you can make so much money from them. We
have a lot of it. We took it from everywhere else. Yes,
you can make so much from them without destroying without

(01:08:31):
tearing us down, you know, just it's like get your money. Okay, Yeah,
I'm gonna I'm now gonna read like my thesis on this,
because again I did, I did. I did not. I
initially did not want to cover this. I thought we
probably shouldn't. I thought that it's it's kind of explitting
the same media cycles that encourages this type of healthy

(01:08:51):
behavior in the first place. But I have a thesis
on this that I want to kind of go through,
and then we can and and and in this discussion.
Though in an online economy based on shock ad driven
head to discourse and data collecting online engagement, Kanye's outbursts
are useful to be deployed as ready made ammunition for

(01:09:12):
culture wars, even though what he said is so obviously
beyond the pale. Quoting New Republic. West's celebrity, still existent
despite the years of controversy and alienation, is simply too
valuable for the right. After decades of being denied the
endorsement of of predominant celebrities, with the exception of like
Clint Eastwood, UM and and and someone like Donald Trump

(01:09:35):
and the rights gritting their teeth through how celebrities don't
really matter to them. The right cherishes the affection it
receives from controversial crossover figures such as Elon Musk and
Kanye West, and doesn't want to lose them to disrepute,
or at least wants to continue using them in spite
of it. West's willingness to lend his imper mater to

(01:09:55):
the pet causes of people like Carlson and kind of
Swan's makes him invaluable and un jettisonable. To pick up
a quote from the from uh Washington Post, Polling has
repeatedly shown that white Republicans view themselves as targets of
discrimination equivalent to non majority groups. Carlson and Trump sharing

(01:10:16):
in that sense, highlight anecdotes that reinforce that sense and
push back against the group that's most forcefully calling for
the playing field to be leveled, the left, the new elite.
So Carlson sees Kanye wearing a shirt that explicitly casts
whites as victims and understands the opportunity. Here's a member
of the inner circle of the elite, a black man

(01:10:38):
who's willing to elevate the idea that white lives are
disadvantaged in an equivalent way to Black lives. To validate
the victimization and discomfort, let's set up an interview unquote,
so for Carlson's purposes, West did not have to be
Holy coherent. He can easily edit out the parts where
he's ranting about the Jews, visions of kinetic energy cities,

(01:10:59):
and fake children. Carlson was able to present to his
viewers a famous black man who is being punished for
holding views abhorred by the gate keeping cultural elites. In
the podcast, West combined his anti semitism and anti black
infantilization into slander that Jewish people have owned the black voice.
But it's Kanye whose voice and platform is being used

(01:11:22):
by far right grifters for profit by stoking white populist
racism against both Jews and Black people, and now to
buy their failed social media apps. The conservative Christian right
that has grown to use Kanye as a token won't
be so quick to disown him for overtly conspiratorial or
biggest statements. One of the lessons that the right has

(01:11:43):
learned from Donald Trump is that there's no advantages to
be gained from criticizing one zone as long as they're
remaining loyal to the fundamental causes of the movement, especially
when it comes to exploiting white grievance. West is then
permitted to be as blatantly anti Semitic as he wants
with out fear of sanction. He's clearly bigoted and clearly suffering,
but the Right clearly considers him to be the most

(01:12:05):
useful idiot, or perhaps one of the brave few people
who's willing to say the things that others may think
but don't yet dare utter. Some have argued that there's
no point in searching for meaning in Kanye's almost decades
long descent, that there's no deeper insight here, just the
truth that that anti Semitism is noxious and we're a

(01:12:26):
tragically long way from defeating it. But I think that
misses the relatively clear trajectory that Kanye has been on
since ultra life, being to this now Christian identity but
black shit, and the very real danger and influence that
a relatively small and unknown weirdos like Canadas, owens can
have on like countrywide politics. And finally, to paraphrase from

(01:12:48):
the Columbia Journalism Review, Kanye West's statements are not of
no consequence, but anyone who spends time thinking about them
and talking about them needs to not be complicit in
ex ascerbating those consequences, whether that be platforming, bigotry or
stigmatizing mental health issues. If the media and the press
must cover Kanye, they should do so with context and

(01:13:09):
with an eye towards accuracy, reality, history, and motivation. At minimum,
coverage should isolate what's important to Kanye's and the story
and describe it clearly for what it is, rather than
mining him for controversy and then performing ignorance or agnosticism
about the substance of what he's saying. Sadly, too much

(01:13:30):
top line coverage of Kanye's recent outbursts did the latter,
with several mainstream outlets referring to the tweets and headlines
as alleged anti semitic posts, or wrote that the posts
have been widely deemed to be anti Semitic language that
clearly reveals more about the authors than its subject, so
that that's kind of my thesis on why this is
worth talking about and all of the moving aspects about

(01:13:53):
what's going on here between Canadas, Owens, Tuck, Tucker, Carlson,
and Kanye West. So yeah, good word, that's really good.
Let's all go be sad. Yeah, there's not really a
solution here except besides celebrity. Like, I mean, you know,

(01:14:14):
all of this has at its root the same problems,
which is that when you allow money to equivalentate like
social and political power or equal social and political power,
and when you then hand certain individuals huge amounts of money, um,
a lot of them will either be outright evil or

(01:14:34):
out of their minds, or a combination of the two,
and they can cause tremendous damage to society as a
result of it. Um. So it's good. Yeah, I think
that there's two you know, from from my perspective, there's
the the metaphorical question of like, okay, is he disinvited
to the barbecue? Like, which is a you know, again

(01:14:56):
a metaphorical question. I don't know if you guys know
what I mean when we say that, was like can
he come to the barb few? Yeah, so like yeah,
you know what I mean, Like So the question we
need to ask as a community as the culture, like
he so lovingly decides to mock um, but is that okay?
So as a community, what does it take for us
to finally disavow somebody's statements and just be like, all right, brother,

(01:15:20):
you're gone, you know, because right now it's up for debate.
You know, there are people that like, you know, we
checked out long time ago. You know, there are other
people that are like still like, you know, we love
the old Kanye and that genius is still in there. Yeah,
but this album slaps Okay, I know he problem back.
I know he put the red hat on, but you know,
the Sunday services were so dope, you know what I'm saying. Like,
so you have that discussion continually happening. But I think

(01:15:44):
that that's something as for for our community, we need
to learn how to We need to really discuss, you know,
what does it take for us to like finally let
somebody go Like again, I I keep going back to
our Kelly because I'm like, dog, we knew, we knew
since Aliyah that like his brother had problems. You know.
I mean, I think if if there's a way to

(01:16:04):
not alienate him fully so that his only friend is Canadas.
Owens that would be great exactly. That's that's why it's
up for debate. It's like, you, I don't know how
that process works. That's what I'm trying to say. That's
part of the part. That's part of the problem. It's like,
but you know why we why it hasn't had why
it doesn't happen so fast? Like I said, like our
defenses normally, our collective identity is the community. That's how

(01:16:26):
we defend each other and protect each other from falling
off the edge, either from the police or from yourself.
It's like you bring them in and just be like,
oh baby, we need to have a talk, you know. Um.
But at some point you're like, all right, family done,
you know. And that's what happened with R. Kelly. It
was like, all right, dog, we tried you know, uh,

(01:16:46):
we we tried you We can't do this no more,
you know. UM. I think there's that, and I think
there's also another question. Obviously, the the American evangelical with
you know, statistically speaking, still only represents nine to eleven
percent of christian as a whole across the world. So

(01:17:09):
you really like it's a this is a specific to
us in America problem, And I just wonder that's another
question to me, Like y'all like they always looking for
whether it was Tim Tebow or you always looking for champions,
you know, and and this keeps happening to you, keeps
happening to you, and y'all end up looking like assholes,

(01:17:30):
you know what I'm saying, And just not like the
faith you say you profess, Like when are y'all gonna
stop looking for champions, Like when you're gonna stop looking
for your and just be like, let's just do the
ship our book says, you know, like for better or
for worse, Like, you know, I just think that these
are again, these are interesting cultural questions. See, you don't

(01:17:52):
need no celebrity, Like why y'all always think you need
a celebrity because you just because again you're just trying
to be cool while at the same time saying that
you stand against the culture. It's like, well, well, funk,
will you stand against the culture? Why are you always
trying to have somebody from the culture to be oh hero,
you know, like well ship, Like I don't know, I'm
just saying, like I think I do think that again,

(01:18:13):
I don't have no answers either, but I think that
these are like questions that everybody that this fool affected
y'all really need to ask yourself, Like you need to
ask yourself, you know, like you said, like the mental
health stuff, the problem of celebrity, which is a bigger problem.
But to me, these are he he he made. He's
making us inadvertently ask ourselves these big systemic questions that

(01:18:38):
we still are afraid to reckon with. I feel like
I think that's a good note to end. Well, everybody
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