The New Wave of Queer Exterminationist Rhetoric

We talk Jordan Peterson's anti-trans supervillain monologue and the past month of increasing rhetoric around queer exterminationism.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:04):
Welcome to it could happen here the podcast that's increasingly
about things that are actually kind of already happening of
and today it's gonna be it's gonna be one of those.
And we're talking about in the kind of the uptick
in rhetoric around queer exterminationism that's happened. Most of the
stuff is what this is discussions and legislative proposal and

(00:29):
rhetoric that was really kicked off last month during Pride months,
specifically because of the Rovy Wade ruling that really opened
the door on a few not good possibilities. Um. But
because we're gonna be talking about some more grim stuff today,
we're gonna we're gonna open with something slightly more funny. UM.

(00:49):
And that's a friend of the pod, Dr Jordan B. Peterson. UM.
Now with with me today is it's Chris and James Greetings.
So Peterson he got he got really mad at Elliott Page.
Um and now does not really have a Twitter account.

(01:11):
And it's pretty funny. Uh. And a few days after
he was banned for continuing to miss gender Elliott Page,
he released a video that can only be described as
a super villain monologue. UM as as a part of
his new partnership with Daily Wire Plus, the hit new
streaming service. Um and just because I think it's funny,

(01:34):
We're just gonna We're just gonna play a few clips
of of this of this evil super villain monologue because
it's really funny, and then it'll circle back to kind
of our topic towards the end. So Ah speaking speaking
a friend of the pod, Peterson, here's here's our here's
our one of the clips. That's you've probably already heard

(01:56):
if you're if you're terminally online, but it's incredible funny.
If I'm required to acknowledge that my tweet violated the
Twitter rules, what rules? You sons of bitches? Good old,
good old Peter said. You know the thing, I've always
been sort of like that clip in particular, It's like,

(02:17):
I don't know if I was trying, I don't know
if I could emulate just the it's sounding like you've
edited together sixteen clips. If you my tweet violated the
Twitter rules, it's like it's his speech pattern is so bizarre.
And also like in the in the video was like

(02:38):
nine minutes long. Like Proceding that line, he explained what
rule he broke around miss gendering and harassment. So like
he explained the exact rule. Ah, but we always get more,
Peter said, if you ask for it, up yours woke moralists,
we'll see who cancels who like extremely funny. He's actually

(03:06):
sneering as well. If you watch the video, like, yeah
he is, he's he's going all in on the bit.
He's doing like Ozzy Mandius but hammed up. It's it's
frankly impressive. This is this one's also also a decent one.
I am employing this awkward and impossible naming style because
it is now apparently mandatory and and probably doing it wrong. Nonetheless,

(03:31):
as you're doing it wrong is the whole point of
what has been made mandatory. But also I'm trying to
make a point. I've essentially been banned from Twitter as
a consequence. I say banned, although technically I have been suspended,
but the suspension will not be lifted unless I delete

(03:53):
the hateful tweet in question, and I would rather die
than do that. That means that you have a healthy
relationship to the platform of Twitter. Um. There's also this
this great clip of him talking about like I'm actually happy,

(04:14):
how my Twitter account is gone. Now Twitter is insignificant
in the final analysis, and you're like, what the fund
does that mean? What? What fun What final analysis are
you talking about? What do you what do you mean?
The final analysis analysis of what? Like? What is? Oh,

(04:36):
it's it's pretty funny. There's there's two more clips from
this rent that I want to do, which kind of
are going to get more to the heart of our
issue today. Um, they're they're not great. They actually are
kind of they kind of suck. So, without further ado,
here's their good doctor friend. And finally, with regard to

(04:57):
the final phrase criminal physician, I must say that I've
had some post coital, so to speak, regrets about that phrase.
It is clearly the case that the surgical operation performed
by the butchers who butchered Elliott slash Ellen was legal,
So was it criminal or not? Were the operations undertaken

(05:20):
by the fascist physicians who carried out the Nazi medical
experiments legal Yes, under the laws of the time, But
were they criminal? I'll leave that question up to you
to answer. So that's pretty gross for a lot of reasons. Um. One,

(05:41):
the kind of historical context of using nazis too compare
to your own transphobia is a little dicey when you
consider how with the Nazis did to trans people into
like queer books, Like, yeah, he's advocating for the Nazi
position here. Yeah. Yeah. There's been so many bands on

(06:05):
queer books this Like just in the past two years, Uh,
the Library Association tracked almost six books that were challenged,
in the highest number since the organization began tracking book
bands in the past twenty years. So talk talking about
like the Nazi scientists, they're like you like you have

(06:28):
is his his historical context of obviously is incredibly lacking,
or he's just or he's just a grifter. I think, honestly,
he's just kind of I think he's just kind of
lost it. I think I don't even think he's fully
a grifter. I think he's just kind of not understanding
what's going on anymore. Of because you can watch like
interviews and stuff where people can try to use reasoning

(06:50):
and logic with him, and you can watch his brain
start to process it. But it's just like otherwise, he
just doesn't think in any sort of logical manner, put
his words or his like stream of consciousness into any
historical context. He just says what he wants, and he's
used to people just taking that as a fact. Um,
he's used to like regurgitating bad Joseph Campbell and people

(07:11):
be like, oh, yeah, you sound smart, would know he's
actually not he's um, but man, it's it's yeah. The
whole Germany Nazi scientist experimentation thing is incredibly incredibly frustrating. Um.
I I don't even know what else to like say

(07:32):
about a say about that, because I mean even that
that line, you can focus on it for a while,
like compare how like the history of medical documentation of
like transnis and the Nazis. How that's like such a
big thing is that the Nazis destroyed so much medical
research on gender transitions, losing like like decades and decades

(07:55):
of research that we're only now starting to regain incredib
cred of the grass. But there's this one one, one
last one last clip. I wanted to play of of
of our of our good doctor and are we degenerate,
you know, profoundly threatening manner. I think the answer to
that may well be yes. So that's not great. He

(08:19):
really is just advocating for the Natty position every turn,
Like yes, he's just continuing to advocate for fascistic reasoning
of fascistic views of decadence and degeneracy insomuch as it
is a threat to civilization and a threat to Western society.
And then he goes on in this clip to justify

(08:40):
Russia's invasion of Ukraine because the US is helping Ukraine,
which makes Ukraine degenerate by proxy, So Russia is doing
a war on degeneracy. And that's like, that's his arguments, Like,
that's his level of logical reacting. Yeah, which which is
funny because it's like if you ever heard any of
the like ready, because every once in a while, there

(09:01):
will be video clips of just like Ukrainian Russian soldiers
yelling at each other and it's just both of them
calling each other gay over and over again. It's just like,
really like this bring back that level of discourse to America. Well, Um,

(09:22):
we're gonna take a quick break and then we will
come back to talk about our other really close friend
of the pod, Matthew Walsh, So stay stay tuned for that. God, Okay,

(09:44):
I have I have one question for everyone here. Um
what what how? How? Woman? What? What is what is
that featherless, biped Okay, the whole a woman. So when
we're talking about Matt Walsh, U obviously last month he

(10:08):
released uh, a pretty poorly made transphobic documentary that was
jacsically just a clipse of him getting owned by like
actual doctors for not understanding like basic ontology and medical reasoning. Um.
The documentary was just uh. Other friend of the pol
JK Rolling just expressed support for the documentary. So if

(10:31):
that's if that's on an indicator that like turfism is
just like a direct preamble to open fascism, I don't
know what is because I mean Matt Matt Walsh jokingly
describes himself as a fascist, but that's because his his
beliefs actually are fascistic. Like he said, it's one of
those jokes that only is funny because everyone agrees on
the central premise, like it's it's that, it's that it's

(10:53):
that type of humor. Um. So like J. K. Rowling
just endorsing an open fascist. So I'm not going to
talk about the documentary in depth here because it's not
that good and it doesn't really make any points that
need to be refuted. It it talks about how like
It talks about how how puberty blockers are um sterilization

(11:16):
uh drugs, which is not the case long term when
you're on them, Yes, you cannot. You cannot do that
because it's obviously inhibiting your your hormones. But once you
go off puberty blockers, you can procreate again, which which
also I just want to take a second here to
look at this position, which is that, Okay, so puberty

(11:37):
blockers are sterilization things, right, I like, okay, so this
is their arguments and sterilization, right, Who are you giving
puberty blockers to children? Why the fuck do you care
like children? It's like wait, I mean they arguing it's
like that, but it'll make them, It'll make them permanently sterilized,
Like like you're castrating these kids by giving them pumanity blockers,

(11:58):
which no, that's not how that works. You're you're just
arguing in bad faith. It doesn't matter. But anyway, I
don't want to talk about documentary in length because it's
not interesting enough to talk about. But was this a documentary?
Real quick? Is this the one where he like goes
to like quote unquote the country of Africa and asks people, yeah,
and poor translates extremely racist. Yeah, great to see J

(12:23):
K Rowling, like known non racist lining up. Yeah, like
behind these essentialist tropes of afric creator, the creator of
Kingsley shackle Bolt. Check. Yeah, just the most cringe. Yeah,
that's what we call a rich white woman moment um. Yes,

(12:44):
all right, So but we are to talk about some
other things Matt Walt has been doing, specifically how he
has increased exterminationist rhetoric into his discussions around trans people.
So we're an open talking about de transitioners. So the
vast majority of real de transitions, which are very rare, like,

(13:07):
there's very few of them, especially considering there's already very
few numbers of trans people, but like something, Yeah, it's
it's it's very very few. Um but the vast majority
of people who do make the choice to de transition
are usually due to experiencing aggressive transphobia. Um. And and
the idea of the de transition or has been inflated

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and used as a straw man to attack the trans
community just by and large, with with many documented cases
of turfs or far right activists creating like fake stalk
pop accounts pretending to be de transitioners to write horrifying
but fictional stories that that that happens a lot. There's
a really famous case on Reddit of an alleged de

(13:50):
transitioner who has found out to just be like an
alt right troll um. And this all really sucks because
the people who do de transition because they realize it's
just not for them, are generally pretty rad people who
continue to be very much pro trans because they do
understand the fluid nature of gender and gender expression through

(14:11):
this entire process. Like but and anyways, when quote tweeting
an alleged detransition or expressing regret of medical decisions that
they made, Matt Walsh said this quote, we can't just
oppose the transition of children. Yes, that's particularly evil, but
it's also evil to do it to anyone of any age.
This young woman was nineteen, a legal adult when she

(14:34):
was mutilated. Does that make it okay? Obviously not. Put
it another way, it should be illegal for doctors to
do this to anyone of any age. It should be
illegal for anyone of any age to transition, period. So
this demonstrates the jump from no one's like that that
the rhetoric of no one should transition until they're an

(14:56):
adult to no one should be alloged to transition at all,
and came just as quickly as the trans community was
telling you it would. This this jump is not a
big one. It is very easy to say no no
hormones until you're eighteen to saying no no hormones at all, um.

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And that's that's what we're entering into. Walsh's rhetoric is
increasingly exterminationist, um and eliminationist, just saying that, like his
all of his preferred policies would result in the total
prohibition of trans identity and the criminalization of any gender
firm in care. Um. These people are fundamentally opposed to
having any agency of your own body, whether that's hormones,

(15:39):
whether that's aborsheit, right, Like, all of these people get
mad just when they see someone with colored hair, Like
they don't like someone's ability to have bodily autonomy. That's there,
that's one of their core politics. And you see this
a lot, especially when it comes to like trans men,
because there's this notion that there that their bodies exist

(16:00):
in service of CIS straight men, right, and anything that
gets in the way of that is an attack on
CIS men in general. And all a patriarchal society. It's
like very very very much like regular misogyny, but with
an added bonus of transphobia. Conservative activist Christopher Ruffo made
a tweet a few days ago with a picture of
Elliott Page pre transition, with the caption that says, this

(16:23):
is what they took from you, right, it's it's like
this notion that their bodies belong to you assists man,
and by them choosing to change their bodies as they
see fit, that's an attack on their body's access to you. Um,
it's it's, it's it's it redes a whole bunch of misogyny,

(16:43):
does it does a whole bunch of really bad transphobia. Um,
it's a really gross package, but it it it hits
on a lot of points of like this type of
patriarchal conservative brain. And I think this, this this even
carries out until like hatred of trans women as you know,

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as trans women are seen as predators, so they hate
trans women to protect siss women, right, like you see,
it's all of this like possession, right it's it's it's
this possession of the body of a female, so you
need to protect it against the creepy trans women, right,
It's like it's it's all of this idea of like
owning women's bodies is central to a lot of these

(17:25):
ideas of transphobia. So we're gonna see a lot more
stuff about how it's going to change from no hormones,
no transition until you're eighteen, to no hormones, no transition
until you're twenty five, to no hormones, and no transition
at all. This past year, we've seen many proposed felony
healthcare bands for trans youth. Um said bills have passed

(17:46):
in multiple states like Alabama, which means that it's going
to forcibly de transition teens across the state. In Missouri,
there's a similar bill in the works titled the Save
Adolescence from Experimentation Act UM, which currently applies to individuals
younger than eight teen, but Missouri physicians and healthcare providers
under the bill would be prevented from recommending gender firming

(18:06):
care to patients who are under eighteen, and there's already
been discussion in legislative sessions to extend the bill past
the age of eighteen. While debating the bill, seeking to
restrict access to gender firm and care. Some lawmakers suggested
that the medical interventions like hormones be withheld from transgender
and non barinary individuals until they're twenty five years old,

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and during a public hearing for the House Bill to
six nine, a psychologist, Lorie Hayes testified that she believes
in adults under the age of twenty five are unable
to fully comprehend the traumatic and drastic and irreparable quote
unquote changes to their bodies that will they will undergo
if they receive gender affirming medical treatments like purity blockers

(18:49):
and hormone therapies. Also, while testifying, Hayes, Uh, the psychologist
said that she supported conversion therapy. So that's surprising too, nobody, Uh,
or it shouldn't be. It also takes those people to
the point where they're not necessarily eligible for their parents healthcare, right, So,

(19:09):
like I think twenty six is the time when you
can do your you age out. Yeah, so it's it's
again like it's a backdoor like prohibition on transitioning for
a lot of people. Yeah, yes, it's it's just trying
to stop it at all. It's you can't you can't
take their word for it. They just they just don't
want you around. That's it. Like they want you to

(19:30):
to kill yourself they or they want you just to
go away or not be tread like that's that's that's
what they want. It's obviously I'm going to do a
few just Journal of American Medical Associations found the gender
affirming healthcare include including puberty blockers and hormones between the
ages of thirteen and twenty, was associated with lower odds

(19:53):
of moderate or severe depression and sevent lower odds of suicidality.
Now they study published last year by the Trevor Project
found that among transgender non binary miners, hormone therapy associated
with nearly lower odds of recent depression and suicide attempts.
So they just want to ban the things that make
you more likely to live, right, They just don't want

(20:13):
you around. That's the actual message. So back back to
just kind of speaking of just not wanting you around.
Um that we're gonna do some updates on Protect Texas Kids.
The extremely open, extremely transphobic, openly Christian Fascists that their

(20:34):
words not mine group based in Texas who organized a
lot of events to harass either drag shows or harass
Pride events last month. It's leader Kelly Needered. I'm gonna
that's what I'm gonna say it, Um tweeted a few
weeks ago. Quote let's start rounding up people who participate

(20:55):
in Pride events. Ha. I wonder what she means by that.
I wonder, I wonder what. I wonder what that means.
Surely doesn't mean she just wants to kill all gay people.
Oh oh, it does, okay, um. And another tweet from
the main Protect Texas Kids account was today's protest went well.

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No children seemed to be in the dreg show, but
there were a bunch of adults wearing mouse ears and
watching the men dressed up as Disney princesses dance around.
Totally normal and not weird. Right, So it's obviously not
about protecting kids, right, Like, it's they that's not the focus.
That's not even that's not the focus of their tweet.
That's not the focus of what they want, right, Protecting

(21:40):
kids quote unquote is a cheap excuse just to want
to hate gay people and want gay people to go away.
That's that's all. That's all it is. We've been like,
it's we're kind of retrunning the same ground here. But man,
it's it's so. It is still frustrating how many people
like fall for the bit it's not. It's not not

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about protecting kids, not about saving kids from groomers. You
can look at all of the sexual abuse in Evangelical churches,
Catholic churches, it's Christian summer camps, whatever, it's not it's
not about protecting kids. They don't give a single fuck.
It's about wanting gay people to go away. Now. Both
Kelly Needers and protect Texas Kids accounts which they used

(22:22):
to organize their Christian fascist events. Both of those got
banned in mid June. Kelly has got banned for saying,
let's start rounding up people who participate in Pride events.
But this, this extends beyond Texas, extends beyond Twitter dot com. Right,
Obviously these people were just using Twitter to organize, so
it are already stended out into the real world. But
it's not, it's it's not. It's not just Texas either.

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See I think it's A congressional candidate Mark Burns, who
is a pro Trump pastor, was running for South Carolina
House district. He called for the execution of LGBTQ and
transpeople by using grooming rhetoric, and then he laid out
exactly how executions could legally be done. So this type

(23:04):
of like state enforced the genocide. Let's let's play this.
Let's play a clip. The LGBT transgender grooming our children's
minds is a national security threat because it is ultimately
designed to destabilize the republic we called the United States
of America. That's why when I'm elected, I don't want

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to just vote. I want to start holding people accountable
for treason to the Constitution. I am going to push
to reenact WHOAC. WHOAC is the House of an American
Activities Committee. It was a real committee that was formulated
back in the fifties, and it's a committee that we
should re enact that starts holding these people accountable for treason.

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You need to hold people for treason, start having some
public hearings, and start executing people who are found guilty
for their treasonous acts against the Constitution of the United
States of America, just like they did back in seven
Ta SI. You know what, South Carolina, this is our guy.

(24:08):
That was an amazing the way he misspoke and called
it the House of an American activities. It's like a
fun place. So that's not ideal, is it? Of that
kind of sucks. Yeah, that was really out there. He's
yeah side advocating. It's just it's just it's mainstream. It's

(24:31):
trying they're trying to mainstream the political ability to advocate genocide, right,
and some of them, it's not some of them, it's
not fully catching on yet. Right, it's we're on the
on ramp to this um. The South Carolina pastor was
defeated by the incumbent Representative William Timmins in the GOP
primary for the state's fourth congressional district, but Pastor Mark

(24:55):
Burne's still received of the vote, So that's still a
lot of people. It's still a lot of people voting
for that, and that number, I don't think it's gonna shrink. Yeah,
and like and it's also it's also worth doing that,
like everyone loses him, Like it is so unbelievably hard
to beat the incumbents in primary. Like it's just it's yeah,

(25:17):
so like like even even if he was just a
normal guy with like regular politics, you would have lost
the election. So still, yes, it's not actually a referendum
on his popularity, like the popularity of what you're saying,
it's of the vote. Yeah, it's worth noting that. Like
even here in southern California, right where it's supposedly like

(25:38):
very liberal, we had a candidate for sheriff's office who
is that was a deputy city attorney and was endorsed
by the Union Tribune just openly spewing like transphobic groom
and stuff. Yeah, public meetings and getting endorsed by the
local newspaper. They was rescinded their endorsement later. But this
isn't just like a red eight thing. If people think

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that that is that No, that's obviously that'd be a
lot more common the people who run for sheriff, who
generally tend to be more conservative because they're running for sheriff. Um. True.
All right, well, let's let's have an add break and
then we'll come back to talk about Wait, talk about
Roe v. Wade and the attack on future rights, including

(26:25):
the ability to have same sex relationships. Oh wow, what
a fun time we have today. All right, we are
we are back. So after the Supreme Court overturned to
rov Wade last month, there was an immediate push for

(26:46):
anti gain, anti trans legal challenges using the same legal
logic against the right to privacy based off of the
the traditions deeply rooted in our nation's history quote unquote,
So this was like undoubtedly gonna happen, right, We've been
We've been proposing that this was a possibility for a while,
but it was definitely made worse by Justice Clarence Thomas,

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front of the POD, who argued in a concurring opinion
that the Supreme Court should quote reconsider its past rulings
codifying rights such as the right to use contraception, the
right to have a same sex relationship, and same sex marriage.
Invoking Griswold, Lawrence and Oberfeld, three cases having to do
with americans fundamental right to privacy, due process, and equal protection,

(27:33):
Thomas wrote, quote, we have a duty to correct the
error regarding these established in those precedents, which pretty grim,
pretty grim framing there, because that's a bad sign um,
and we are already seeing stuff like this in effect.
Actually we don't need to wait for the Supreme Court

(27:54):
to make rulings. States that are starting to do this
exact thing um In an ongoing Alabama lawsuit that's sites
dabs over turning Roe v Wade about medically detransitioning all
trans teenagers. There is this deeply threatening turn of phrase quote,
no one adult or child has the right to transitioning
treatments not deeply rooted in our nation's history and tradition.

(28:17):
Ha ha, interesting how they put adult or child there
isn't that isn't that intriguing? And it's also fun how
the deeply red our nation's history thing is now just
sort of like here here is the word that you
say to let you do fascism, And it's like, oh, hey,
do you know what? It is deeply rooted in our
in our nation's uh traditional history, shooting congressman. This is

(28:37):
the thing that has been done many times, Like I
mean again, like like this it's like this is this
is the whole like this whole thing. It's just like
it's it's so the whole thing is it's so incredibly
sort of nakedly transparent and cynical and like this is
you know, it's it's a centerd fascist thing. Right. We're
like we're going to create some sort of mythical past
and then we're gonna like resurrect whatever fucking things existed
back then. It's like, oh, hey, what actually existed back then?

(28:59):
I don't know. People try to kill the government all
the time. They're really they're really playing from like the
lower key s T traditionalist framework here. Um, they're they're
doing all the bits we thought they would do. It's
not great. Uh. Late last month, during the end of Pride,
Texas Republican Party unveiled its updated official position on lgbt

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Q issues, defining homosexuality as quote an abnormal lifestyle choice unquote,
and also opposing quote all efforts to validate transgender identity.
The party's new official stance on lgbt Q issues wasn't
veiled during Pride month, and as advocates fight against record
number of anti lgbt Q bills introduced in states across

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the country this year, more than three hundred and forty bills,
according to the Human Rights Campaign, the nation's largest lgbt
Q advocacy group on the legal front. Thousands of Republican
activists met at the party's biennial convention in Houston in
mid June to agree to the party's platform on a
range of issues, including the rejection of the election results

(30:05):
and a call to a repeal the nineteen Voting Rights Act,
which was an acted to prevent discrimination against black voters. Ah,
this is I would say this is a mask off moment,
but they've never had the mask on in the first
People like, that's that's like that that's specific one. That
is a thing, like like half of the Republican Party's

(30:29):
platform has been people suing about the Voting Rights Act
exact exactly. It's not actually a mask off, it's just
that they're doing it louder than they were doing it before.
The section titled Homosexuality and Gender Issues UM had the
party stating that LGBTQ people should have no legal protection
from discrimination and in fact suggested intent to ensure people's

(30:51):
ability to do hate speech and hate crimes. Part of
the forty page resolution reads, quote, homosexuality is an abnormal
lifestyle choice. We believe there should be no granting of
special legal entitlements or creation of special status for homosexual behavior,
regardless of state of origin. And we oppose any criminal
or civil penalties against those who oppose homosexuality out of faith, conviction,

(31:14):
or belief in traditional values. Ham I just I just
want to put it on the record here that like
the number of a number of my friends who have
been attacked like in the last three months. Is it's
a lot. I got, I got called, I got, I

(31:37):
got called a faggot for the first time in the
Straits of Portland a few months ago. It's it's it's, it's,
it's it's it's accelerating, it's it's going, it's it's it's going. Um.
But yeah, I mean, specifically, I think a lot of
this the last part of that resolution there about you know,
opposing any civil penalties against those who oppose homosexuality out

(31:58):
of faith. I think that's that's probably definite, referencing Steadfast
Baptist Church, the church that just opens that openly advocates
the genocide of queer people, which we've talked about in
our in our last City of Hate episode. I think
I think they're also trying to go back to like
the whole like cake bullshit thing. Oh yeah, obviously stuff

(32:19):
like that. It's like, it's we, honestly, we are so
past the cake problem now because now they just want
to they just wanted to like mass, they just want
to do mass. Gend a side like I'm so over cakes.
Like and in the trend of increasing the age barrier,
of gender affirming healthcare into adulthood. The Texas Republicans called

(32:41):
for the ban of gender affirming healthcare, including the distribution
of huberty blockers or hormones supressing therapies and the h
and the performance of gender affirming surgeries to anyone under
the age of twenty one. So that is the new
Texas Republican official position is that these things should be banned,
uh for under the edge of twenty one. And that's
not a that's not a hard cap. They're gonna keep

(33:03):
raising that cap as often as they can. And as proof,
I will offer up the past thirty five minutes an episode,
like everything we've said in the past thirty five minutes
is supporting the opinion that that cap they wanted to
go up. Yeah. Usual. They also simultaneously advocate for like
heterosexual relationship age of consent to just dromp oh yeah,

(33:27):
twelve years old. Yeah um. Speaking of speaking of Texas.
Near the end of June, Texas Attorney General Ken Paxton,
who sent us office home in the celebration of the
overturning of Roe v. Wade, said that he will defend
Texas anti sodomy law. It's a Supreme Court re visits
Lawrence view Texas. I'm gonna play extremely frustrating clip here.

(33:52):
Here's a fun time. I'm sure you read uh Justice
Thomas's concurrence where he said that there were a number
of other of these issues Grizzwald, uh Lawrence and Ogofell
that he felt needs to be looked at again. Obviously,
the Lawrence case came from Texas, that was what outlawed sodomy.

(34:13):
Would you, as attorney general be comfortable defending a law
that once again outlawed sodomy that questioned Lawrence again, or
Griswold or gay marriage that came from the state legislature
to to put to the test with Justice Thomas said, yeah,
I mean, there's all kinds of issues here, but certainly
the Supreme Court has stepped into issues that I don't

(34:35):
think there was any constitutional provision dealing with. They were
legislative issues, and this is one of those issues, and
there may be more. So it would depend on the
issue and depending on what state law has says at
the time, And just just for the sake of time here,
you wouldn't rule out that if the state legislature passed
the exact same law that that lawrence overturned on sodomy.

(34:57):
You wouldn't have any problem then defending that and take
in that case back to the Supreme Court. Yeah. Look,
my job is a defense fate law and I'll continue
to do that. That is my job out of the Constitution,
and I'm so First of all, in this clip of
Ken Paxton, he looks like a zombie. I don't know

(35:21):
what's going on with his face, but his eye keeps
twitching in a way that looks really uncaddy. He looks
like he like, look at look at this man's face.
Look at what is going on. That's an unfortunate pause. No,
he looks aget in motion too. It's not a unfortunate plause.

(35:42):
He just looks. There is something going wrong with Ken Paxton.
We need to to the bottom of this. But also
all of that stuff about make enforcing laws against uh
sodom me, making gay sex illegal. They don't want gay
people to fuck, is what they're actually saying. Um. And

(36:03):
if you do, they want to send you to jail. Um.
So that's something that can fact and what's what's to do? Um?
Wrapped in very flowery language about defending the laws on
record that laws that you are enforcing. Therefore you're making
the laws in effect. Um ha. So one one aspect

(36:27):
of this that I want to touch on again before
we close out in our in Our City of Hate
episodes about the Christian fascists in Dallas attacking drag shows
and Steadfast Baptist Church, and even then some of the
stuff that we've gone over in this episode. Right, there's
a lot of talk about like government approved extermination um,
whether that be like for treason, for un American acts,

(36:49):
executions based off Biblical law, rounding up people for degenerate
or deviant behavior, arresting doctors for performing gender affirming surgeries.
There's there's a lot of like talk around like the
government's ability to legally genocide people. Um. But the other

(37:11):
aspect of this is like the vigilante justice ankle of
people wanting to just do physical violence themselves. And there's
a way that these two things can intersect in a
really interesting way. I'm gonna play one one last clip here.
You know some teachers pushing sex values on your third grader.
Why aren't you going to thrash the teacher talk to
an orongal person's kids about sex in kindergarten, you get

(37:34):
beaten up, you should be beating up. Please. If I
was a parent and my fifth grade daughter had had
to sleep and shower in some kind of cabin at
some summer camp that I paid money to send my
child to, and there was a man calling himself a
woman sleeping in her cabin, my husband would have beat
him into the ground. Where are the men actually standing
up against these men who think they are women that

(37:56):
are trying to compete in these females. Sports shouldn't put
up with it anymore. You need to intervene. You need
to show up to the sporting a man like this
is not happening. Actually, there is almost nothing that can
be done. Uh that is uh, that is over the
line to stop that. It's disgusting. There was a time
in this country of just a little more decency where
if someone even voiced the idea of taking your kid
to a drag show to be arrested. They are underqualified

(38:19):
to have children. They should have their children taken away
from them because it's child abuse. So that's a lot
of stuff, but rent you know, it fluctuates between talking
about people taking this into their own hands in a
very like obviously like misogynistic and transphobic way. Again, it's
about like the access to you know, protecting access to

(38:40):
the feminine body. Um. And then a lot of other
stuff around you know, the government arrested people and such. Right,
it's about it. It's a mix between like doing stuffy yourself,
you know, in a form of like the vigilante is
um um or you know, eventually advocating for the for
the government's ability to do this. Now, we we've covered

(39:00):
a number of incidents of like a violence or of
things that that were escalating to the point of that
right before it stopped. UM. Across you know, the Dallas area,
we talked about stuff in Boise, Idaho with Patriot Front.
We talked about the Proud Boys who stormed the library
outside of San Francisco. UM. I think those are in

(39:22):
our in our I think I talked about most of
those across a few of the city of eight episodes. UM.
Then we have uh, there's but there there is other
incidents outside of just those cities. UM. In Atlanta, a
youth justice group was forced to cancel their rally in
support of trans rights after an organizer received a specific

(39:43):
quote vulgar death threat in Calama, Washington, a school was
put on lockdown after an anti transit student threatened a
mass shooting following a broad student walkout in support of
a trans classmate who had been assaulted. UM people graffited
pervs work here on an elementary school in Venture County, California,

(40:03):
following a local right wing papers story about a third
grade teacher who affirmed a trans students name and pronouns
in the lead up to Pride Month, and anti LGBTQ
activist named Ethan Schmidt Crockett vowed to hunt gay people
and trans people and their allies at Target stores. UM
following the story's decision to celebrate Pride, he made the

(40:25):
same threat a month before. In June, he attended the
counter protest of a pro gun control March for Our
Lives demonstration carrying an a R fifteen. In Kiel, Wisconsin,
schools are forced to shut down and go virtual after
bomb threats were made in response to the district's investigation
of anti trans harassment by three students. Something I've been

(40:45):
thinking about a lot the past few weeks is that
even before Roevwade was overturned, multiple states enacted laws for
like vigilante bounty hunters to do the work of the
state that the state wasn't legally allowed to do yet,
like directly, right, And so they were getting regular people
to combat and intimidate providers into not doing abortion procedures.

(41:09):
And we're already seeing an increase in physical attacks targeting
queer people, and I think many more regular people are
waiting for the state government's permission to do the same thing.
We don't need to wait for the Supreme Court to
say gay sex can be made illegal, right. States can
already start doing this stuff now, And there's already people
waiting in the wings, and as soon as they get

(41:30):
to go ahead, they will jump at this opportunity. I'm
gonna play one final clip that is pretty pretty grim.
I just saw the man tell me in public that
he can't wait until he's legally able, until he's legally able,

(41:59):
and oh yeah, wait until you can legally hunt us down.
This is not okay, This is not okay. So that

(42:20):
was a queer person who lives in Oklahoma talking about
something that happened to them last month. And I try
to when I make these episodes, I try to not
just lay out a whole bunch of bad things to
be like, here's a problem, all right by everybody, like
because that sucks, but also I don't know what the

(42:40):
solution here is because this sucks. Of The California House
and Senate just passed bill h s B one oh seven.
This bill would provide many protections for families fleeing states
like Texas and Alabama. It would protect them from extradition,
from out of state investigations, from out of state custody

(43:01):
judgments based on providing gender affirming healthcare. The bill is
currently in review by the California Committee on Appropriations and
then it would need to be signed by the governor.
If your state doesn't have a trans sanctuary law on
the docket, maybe it's time to ask your representative about that, UM,
preferably maybe when they're like out at dinner or at church. UM.

(43:24):
But also like even getting to the point where we're
making plans to flee to other states, when trans people
are forced to make plans to flee out of country,
when you're investigating what kind of citizenship you can get
based on your ancestral family history. Once we're at that point,

(43:45):
it's really hard, like it's it's and in my discussions
with queer friends the past few like the past few weeks,
we've been having more and more conversations about that, more
and more plans about when things really do fully breakdown,
where do we go? What do we do? Like? And
it sucks because there's so many people who live in

(44:06):
states like Oklahoma, like Texas right where that's people's homes,
that's where that's where these queer people are living and
they shouldn't be forced to leave like they that that
shouldn't happen. And we have great folks like the Elm
Fork John Brown Gun Club to think I'm providing a
really good example of how queer people can work together
to start doing community defense in your own areas. Uh,

(44:28):
to say no, this is our home too, and we're
gonna fucking walk around with rifles to defend it if
we have to. Um. Obviously not everyone mentally is able
to do that, right, But there's there's there's other ways
to get in, get more connected to your local community,
to strengthen like queer areas inside you know, states where

(44:49):
these things are happening. The other thing I see a
lot with queer people that makes me really sad is
that fighting the state right. Fighting these types of big
homophobicaust its Usians who want to kill us. That's hard
and scary. We feel so powerless. We we want to
feel like we have any agency. I want to feel
like we have any power at all, because there's so

(45:09):
many people with power who are hurting us, and it's
hard to actually fight back against those. But we feel powerless,
so we want to feel like we're able. So instead
we turn on other people who are within our own
communities because it's easier to attack people who are like us.
It's it's it's it's easier to to to do to
do that right, it still gives you a sense of

(45:29):
having agency. But they're trying to murder us all like
personally disagreements on politics or whatever aside, Like it would
be really nice if we stop just doing nonsense fighting
with each other and doing dumb like click drama, dumb
discourse like they're trying to they're trying to kill us.

(45:50):
Can we not? Can we not do that? I know
you want to find some way to push back on
something so you feel like you have an ability to
do anything, and wing against the police, doing against your
state government, doing against the Supreme Court, that's much harder, right,
It's easier to do it against you know, a friend
of yours or someone who used to be friends with
that's so much easier. But that's not helping in their

(46:18):
attempts to just do genocide. So I think making plans
to get out of where you are, if you have to,
making plans is necessary. Sometimes I've I've thought of this,
I've been even me in the Pacific Northwest have had
have have had many thoughts about that. It's also very
important to start strengthening your relationships with other queer people

(46:42):
in your communities and starting to put together ways to
work with them. Um to make a show force and
say hey, we're here, we're not gonna we're here to
stay right now. You can't you can't scare us out
right now, because there needs to be some way to
combat it. Because these people they're trying to do, they're

(47:02):
trying to be regressive right like there, we are already
at a point that we progressed far enough that they're
they are scared of how much progress has happened, so
they're trying to turn the clock back. Our challenge is
to keep the change coming and push back against these people.
Who are trying to hold on to the dead twentieth century, right,

(47:23):
the fear of change and the fear of the future
is driving their return to the past. We don't need
to just run away because we should. We should be
winning this fight in some ways because we already hold
we already hold the ground that they want to take
away from us. So, yeah, bad stuff is coming. But
just because bad things happened in history doesn't mean they

(47:44):
need to happen again, like we there is ways to
intervene to stop this. Um. Should you keep your passports renewed? Yes,
you obviously should, um. But we don't just need to
run away because we actually have ground to stand on here.
So yeah, And I think I think one thing is
also important to remember is that the people who got

(48:06):
us here we're facing way, way worse solids than we are. Yeah,
people who had to do this. Yeah, And so like,
like the job that we have is incredibly intimidating, it
is also easier than the stuff that has already been done.
We already we already got to this point facing extremely
harsh conditions, and we already got there. Um. I don't know,

(48:31):
it's just it's always struggling to try to find ways
to think about this that gives you a little bit
of like, you know, it's just like it's so easy
to be a duomer. It's so easy just to say
we're all funcked, we all need to move away. That's
the simple solution. But there's most simple things are also
usually incomplete and wrong. So just trying to find other

(48:51):
ways to think about this problem. Because we don't need
to tell for people to run away, um, and you
don't need to tell them they have to fight either, um.
You know, people can make their own decisions and offer
their own resources and start operating in a network that
helps the survival of all of us and increasingly challenging times.

(49:15):
And I should also say, like non queer people like, look,
the defining characteristic of this moment is that there is
a silent, silent majority that supports crew rights. Yeah, and
if if the the the the the only way that
we actually lose this is if is if that majority
does nothing. But if that if that majority moves, if
this is people who actually believe in this stuff, and

(49:37):
if the non queer people who actually believe that we
should have rights and we should be able to live
our lives do stuff. We will fucking crush these people.
They will be remembered as a fucking grain of dust
in the sand that was crushed by the tide of history.
And we can do that. We can destroy them. We can,
we can, we can, we can make it for We
can make this moment in history a incredibly brief blip

(49:58):
where people are like, oh hey, that was wasn't it
weird and Homefulibi came back for like three years and
then it was just gone again. That that that that
is in our power. We just have to do it. Yep,
all right, well, strength and community relations. Stop stop doing
nonsense in fighting for no good reason because you want

(50:20):
to feel powerful, put that effort into actually fighting the
people that are trying to hurt you, or put that
effort into making friends. That does it for us today.
That was my episode on the increase in queer extermination
is um um Yeah, see you on the other side.

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