Griffin McElroy on Groundhog Day

This week Chuck sits down to talk about Groundhog Day with fellow podcaster Griffin McElroy of My Brother, My Brother and Me.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:24):
Hey, folks, and welcome to Movie Crush. This is Chuck
Bryant in the studio at our home at Pont City Market, Atlanta, Georgia,
and bol howdy. I'm excited about this week's interview. It
was so great at Griffin Mcarroy and Griffin. As you
know from the wonderful Hysterical podcast, my brother, my brother
and me. That's his that's his main bag. But as

(00:46):
with all of the mcaroy boys, they do lots of shows.
They also do The Adventure Zone, the really funny show
where they play D and D with their father. Um,
if you haven't heard that and it sounds weird, it
is and it's really really funny. At the same time,
his his awesome brothers, Justin Travis, and they're they're great, Dad,
But I'm gonna have Justin in at some point, Travis

(01:07):
and I'm gonna tackle all the macil roys. Literally. Uh,
if I could. I wanted to have him all at
the same time, but that would have been bedlam. So
I decided to knock him off one at a time.
So they came through town. They did a show in
Atlanta here. I went to that live show. They're really,
really funny on stage, just as funny on actually probably
funnier on stage than even in their podcast. It's a

(01:28):
real treat. So check them out on tour if you haven't,
and subscribe and listen to my brother, my brother and
me on the Max Fun Network. And all their shows
are great actually, so give them a whirl. And Griffin's
pick was Groundhog Day, and God bless him, he's one
of those that had no backup. He was like, dude,
this is easily my favorite movie. And as you will hear,

(01:50):
he said, not only is it my favorite movie of
all time, but I think it is the best movie
of all time. So pretty bold statement. Uh. And we
had a really really good conversation about the awesome, awesome
movie from of course, the Great Bill Murray, directed by
Harold Ramos, also starring Andy McDowell and a host of brothers,
including one Chris Elliott. So here we go this week

(02:11):
with Griffin McElroy and Groundhog Day. So you guys grew
up in West Virginia, So what were your and you
were the youngest of the boys. Um, this is about
movies and I'm curious how this new this is like,
this is not the first episode, right, no, no, no,

(02:33):
this isn't the pilot was this, take two, three? This?
You will be I think twelve? Oh jeez, all right.
I thought I was coming in like I thought it
was a ground floor investor, but that I would say
that the first dozen that's pretty groundfloor, has it? What
are some of the other flecks of people. I was
very self conscious about my choice because I thought that
I would be like, well, I brought an Italian drama

(02:54):
from nineteen. You don't need to worry about that breaking work.
If it makes you feel better, I can publish this
out of order and could be like the third or
fourth game. No, I was being ache um and feel
free to say things like douche because this is one
that we can say bad words a lot. Don't know. Okay,
let whatever you want. Shit. Yeah, I felt great, you're

(03:15):
a douche. Whoa um. Other people have picked head Janet
and Varney m and she went with tron Oh yeah,
the ridge. Um she hates when people asked that too,
That's why I said that, Oh no, she does. I
don't want to be part of the problem. Now you're
not part of the problem. Um. Let's see. I had

(03:36):
on well Hodgeman's coming in next week and he hasn't
told me his yet. It was originally Miller's Crossing, but
now he's hedging. Um, I had Roman Mars, you know Roman. Yeah,
he did Jaws. That's a good one. And um, Kevin
Pollock was in here a couple of days ago. Um
in person because he's in town shooting. Did he do
a movie that he was in because that would be

(03:57):
a lot. Yeah, this was well, this was we did
two movies. We did a few Good Men in Usual Suspects. Okay,
now his was The in Laws, not the remake in
the Nine. I haven't seen It's great, Peter alan Arka,
have you found that? Like everybody has it cemented in
their minds, like, oh, I know what my favorite movie is.
Some people are right off the bat, like Kyle Canane

(04:21):
was you know Kyle, Yeah, Troubling Little China. That's a
very good Kyle Canaane not bad. Uh. And it was
his was immediate. Um, Brandy Posey hers, you know Brandy.
Of course hers was cable guy and hers was immediate.
Romans was immediate. John Ronson's was immediate. I feel like
that's a thing like I probably couldn't tell you what

(04:43):
my favorite song or band, Yes, but I could I've
known my favorite movie for a decade. Well, and that's
one of the reasons I started the show is because
it's not to get to like corny with it. But
it's a deeper question than like, you know, what movie
do you like to watch? A lot? It kind of
says a lot about someone, and the reasons I found,

(05:04):
and this is what I was hoping for from the beginning,
are oftentimes deeper than yeah, it was it was awesome, funny.
In Kyle's case, it was just it was awesome, which
is great. Um, but most of the reasons go a
little deeper. Let's not to say that you have to
I don't know, I have to get all fill us out.
You have to do that. Um. But yeah, it's interesting

(05:24):
and a lot of and but then some people there's
a lot of handwringing about going public with their Yeah.
So there's a lot of like, oh, man, I've got
like ten movies I got to decide, um, like, here's
four you choose. Oh that's no good, that's bullshit. Yeah,
you know, I'm here to make things easy on you, Chuck.
I have one favorite movie at all the time, and
it will never be replaced. Well, and I should say

(05:46):
to um, We'll get to groundhog Day in a minute,
but um, that was the choice of interviewing A. J. Jacobs,
the author A. J. Jacobs in New York next week,
and his pick was groundhog Day. And I told him
I was like, you gotta change it now, But thank
god I could not. I don't think I could think
of my second favorite movie. Yeah, right, you love groundhog
Day and hate everything I know. I have a lot

(06:07):
of movies that could probably fill that spot. Yeah, but
groundhog Days just an echelon above all of them in
my opinion. Yeah, and he's got he had a solid
second choice immediately, so I didn't feel too bad. This
is a case of like, I don't. I don't think
groundhunk Day is my favorite movie of all time. I
think it's the best movie ever. And I think everybody
else who's ever been on this podcast except for A
J is wrong. Right, all right, I just want to

(06:30):
plant that flag in the ground right now. All right.
So you guys growing up, what was your um, what
was your like movie going life like? Early on? Did
you guys go to the movies a ton? Yeah, we
went to we went to a lot and we watched
a lot at at home. I mean we had all
the I mean when I was like young, young, we
had all the disney like clamshell box disneys that are

(06:53):
apparently worth like fifty dollars. All we threw them in
a dumpster somewhere. Um. Fire, but I DVD player and
we we created a ritual fire for a lot of excesses.
We arranged an a pentagram around the DVD player. Um. Yeah,
we went to We went to a lot of movies.
Like I think it was probably difficult for my parents

(07:15):
to corral three fairly rambunctious young boys and get him
a sit still for a while. Um. But I was
always very I was always very into movies, not as
much as like games, like games where video games were
like my main hobby. And if I had a choice
between like watching a movie at home or playing Final Fantasy, like,
I would always up for the ladder. But yeah, we

(07:36):
went to Well, you grew up in the heyday of
video game greatness. Absolutely, Yeah, the sort of the ne
s s and ne s era that was my that
was my upbringing. So that's a planted I think a
lot of a lot of this My wife, Rachel, is
constantly mystified because I I never I didn't see a
lot of classic movies growing up. Like that was actually

(07:57):
one area of my uh like film education that I
just completely missed. You mean classics from any era? Or
do you mean like old black and whites like or
do you mean really all the President's men. I didn't
see that connection, didn't see that, didn't see that, didn't
see The one that really blew her mind is um
I adore the movie It's a Wonderful Life. That would
probably be a number two. I found it like, just

(08:20):
like that, that's a really good one. Groundhunk days about it.
Though I adore It's a Wonderful Life, Like I think
it's the best holiday movie. And there's some similarities between
those two. Absolutely. I saw it for the first time
when I was like a senior in college because it
was playing at a theater in Huntington's and I was like, Oh,
I'll go to that. I was like twenty two when

(08:41):
I first saw It's a Wonderful Life and seen it. Oh,
you're kidding me, man, isn't that weird? I was here
talking all this yea about how and seeing all these
classes I've never seen it. I feel guilty for having.
If I had known that, I would have made you
watch It's a Wonderful Life. Well, you know what, I'll
watch it this Christmas, say for a holiday episode. It's
really it is. It transcends sort of the time in

(09:03):
which it was made. It is it's super super accessible,
and the romance plotline in that movie is like so sexy,
so sexy, but also like it feels the way that
they talk and the way that they their their relationship develops,
like it feels like a movie that could have made

(09:25):
been made like at any point in history, Like it's
really remarkable. It's I feel like it's almost like a
stubborn thing, even though I've never consciously said I'm not
going to see that movie, but there must be something
going on there, because how can you not have seen
that movie? Yeah, I mean there's a lot of holiday
flicks to choose from, and I think a lot of
the times when I want to watch like a holiday

(09:47):
theme movie, a lot of the time I'll reach for
a jingle all the way. It might be my second Chuck,
that's Arnold. Arnold is in that one. Yeah, and U
sin sin Bad? Well, I think that's probably probably my
face in bad movie. Um, it's but like I reached
for something a little more, you know, jolly, because while

(10:08):
it's a wonderful life is uplifting, it is also thoroughly
sad at times, which is maybe not what you want
to be in. I mean, I know the movie inside
and out. I just haven't seen. Yeah, like I'll usually
I'm definitely a Christmas story guy. Oh yeah, for sure. Um,
like to the extent where we went, and it's not
like we traveled there just for that because Emily's parents

(10:28):
lived in the Greater Cleveland area in Akron. Oh, you
made the pilgrimage and we went to the house and
it's great. I highly recommended. Uh. And then you know,
these days, I'll throw on elf for sure. Yeah, that's
become like a new favorite over the year. This is
a whole different like sub genre, like movie discussions is
holiday because there's people and I get, like, I'll get

(10:50):
I'll get a fight about this because there's some people
who like, I don't like Nightmare before Christmas at all,
and there's some people like that's my favorite. I've never
seen it. Okay, you're you're probably okay, I shouldn't say
stuff like that on a podcast, because I'm going to
just draw the ire of FLDS. I'm very particular about
the holiday movies that So you don't like that one.
I don't love that one. Um, but like see Hodgeman
hates the Christmas Christmas Story. Oh no, that's too bad. Yeah, thanks,

(11:15):
it's something by who's the what's the Geene Shepherd? If
I remember correctly, it's a Geane Shepherd thing. She doesn't like.
Why would he not like a Geane Shepherd thing. It
seems like they would. It seems like they'd really get along. Maybe,
I know, maybe that's maybe that it's too close to home.
He had a story that he wrote, Holiday Tale. Yeah,
Gean Ever beat him to the punch. He's like, wait,

(11:35):
you're you're a great American wreck on tour in words Smith, Yeah,
I hate you. Yeah. Um boy, we're down the holiday
road all of a sudden. Yeah, I didn't mean to
take us. There's Groundhog Day. It's a holiday. So well,
that's true. I think about it. It's a holiday movie
in its own right. So you guys are going to movies,
are watching vhs is a lot. Yeah, but really, let's
be honest, you were playing video that's playing video games

(11:57):
the whole time. Yeah, when did Groundhog Groundhog Day? Hold
are you? I'm thirty, so it came out. It came
out in ninety three. I was six. This was not
like I watched it definitely when I was young, but
I did not like not you didn't see my favorite
movie all time. I love all the existential pondering that
it does, right, So that's kind of cool though. Um, yeah,
you watched it on VHS for the first time. I

(12:19):
imagine then with the family. With the family, we watched
a lot of Bill Murray anything with anybody who had
ever touched Second City, uh second City TV specifically. My
my dad was like, yeah, we're gonna, we're gonna, We're
gonna watch this film. Yeah that's great, man, I get Um,
I met your dad and had dinner with you guys altogether,

(12:39):
and your dad's obviously the greatest and uh so I'm
on your show. Everyone loves your dad. You guys love
your dad. My dad was not a culturist, so there
was never I think literally the last movie my dad
has seen in the movie theater was the Bow Derek
Tarzan movie. And I'm not making that up. I think

(13:03):
I remember my dad taking me to one one movie
in my life, which was actually a good one was
a war movie, The Big Red One with Lee Marvin
and Mark Hambill. So this is so, this is maybe
why you didn't see a lot of these a lot
of these classics. Well, no, because I was into it,
Like I had an older brother, have an older brother,
So that's where the culture came through. Um my mom

(13:27):
wasn't even like they were not super into music that much.
They were like, we love Kenny Rodgers and the Mandrell
Sister Show and he Haw. Um they sound like rednecks
now they're really not, but they just weren't. I don't know,
wasn't a big thing. Like I always want to ask
my parents, like, what were you listening to in like
the sixties, because you guys were young in the sixties,

(13:49):
but they grew up in Tennessee and it wasn't like
they're not like the school former hippies. Um. So I
always get long story short, a little bit envious when
I hear of people like your dad that have great
taste and are funny people and who, like my dad,
doesn't know what Second City is at all. Yeah, I mean,
we definitely got like an education. Like our our dad
was very uh in not intense, It wasn't he was like, yeah,

(14:13):
he strapped us down to make us watch Ranas do
his jokes. It was just like it was always on
the Second City or Kids in the Hall or sw
um Justin. You mentioned your brother Justin was actually I
feel like just because he is the oldest, a big
sort of tastemaker in the family. Like I can remember
a lot of the movies I used to watch, Like
I used to watch Wayne's World a lot, and it's

(14:33):
I think probably one of Justin's favorite movies of all time.
So a lot of I think that is also a
common thing of of of siblings. You know, you're thinking
that the things that they like are cool, and so
you want to follow along with him there. Yeah, because
Justin is how many years older? Six years older than me? Yeah,
I thought it was a little bit more than that.
But yeah, and not that I thought he was older.

(14:55):
I think I thought you were older. It's all the
gray hair that I have. You don't have great hair,
do you. Oh, I have a ton of gray hair, chuck.
But that's very a little on the sides. I mean
it's it's all throughout. It looks sort of light brown,
but it's really dark brown with a sort of bright
gray ombro. It's very severe. Yeah, if you grew a beard,

(15:17):
it would probably be kind of great. If I could
grow a beard, I would do it, no matter what color.
It turned out to look like you could grow a beer.
Come on, no, I can't do this right now. I
can't take it of lack of it. It doesn't grow
right here. And if it's two patches, so it would
be essentially like a chin strap and a mustache. And
that's a tough l to pull off. In two thousands seventeen,
a year of Our Lord a d Yeah, you're right. Um,

(15:39):
if I shave my beard, I look immediately like twelve
years younger. Yeah, it looks good. It's I can't imagine
you without it. Well, just imagine it good. So you guys,
Groundhall Day came into your life then when you were

(16:00):
younger on VHS, and obviously at first it was probably
like walk me through that just just a funny, fun
movie when you don't dive too deep into it. It's
just a funny. It's a it's a very good Bill
Murray comedy. UM that has a very cool, almost sci
fi fantasy premise. Uh. And Andy McDowell is very charming

(16:26):
in it, and that's that's sort of where America does UM.
And that's sort of like when I was younger, like, oh,
these are these I get it. These are the things
that I enjoy about this movie. And it was always
probably my favorite Bill Bill Murray flick. But I didn't
until I was like much older and and watched it again.
I think I like saw it on sale on DVD

(16:49):
somewhere when I was like collecting DVDs. Remember Blockbuster used
to do these sales where you could spend twenty bucks
and get like five movies, and I think I probably
picked up in one of those, and I'm watched him
was just like, Okay, this is the best movie you
ever made. Well. I watched it again last night, and
Emily and I watched it. And it's funny that any
McDowell thing. Um, America does have a crush on her
because she's adorable and sweet and has a bit of

(17:11):
a southern lilt, which do you see magic Mike xx health.
She is extremely good and magic Mike. I didn't know
she was in that. Yeah, she just the the dudes,
stripper dudes just like show up at her house. I
think they're trying to get a car. Their car breaks
down and so uh, and they stay with her and

(17:31):
some of her friends and those There's like a lot
of scenes that take place with just like these strippers
staying in the hand with Andy McDowell, uh, and and
all of her friends. That's great. She didn't play yourself,
does she know? Oh god, that would be even better. Well,
she kind of does though, kind of, I guess a
little bit. But it was funny. I was watching last
night and I was talking about my crush on her,

(17:51):
which Emily of course was like, oh yeah, totally and um,
but it couldn't be anymore like early nineties sweet because
they're literally the only skin and granted it takes place
in the wintertime, but the only skin of hers you
see in that movie is from her chin up. Like
she's literally wearing shirts buttoned all the way to the
top button and heavy sweaters and cuffs down to her wrists.

(18:15):
So that's survival gear from what I understand, Like when
they were making this movie, they they didn't make it
in plunks it, honey, they made it in stock Yeah, Woodstock, Illinois,
which apparently still like celebrates this this film like they
go hard on Groundhog Day actually rolls around um and
a lot of the places that a lot of the
like sets, like they made the Diners set where a

(18:36):
lot of those who take places like actually a restaurant now,
like they just kept it going. Yeah. I did little
research and I saw that like the the Tip Top
Cafe or whatever. They said, Hey, well when they were
making a movie, it was like below freezing every day,
and so that was that was I think a survival
like everybody had to be Yeah, that's true. Yeah, but
it was also just like if they remade that today, though,

(18:57):
it would be they would find some way to put
um to eroticize. Yeah, exactly. She would somehow be wearing
a tank top out in the middle of the cold,
and it wouldn't be Andy McDowell would be I don't
know who's an act who's an actor? Yeah, this is
a morning I was about, say, Amanda Pete. That's the
person that came to my mind, but it probably wouldn't
be her. She'd do good. I agree. I like her.

(19:19):
Um so just for laughs at first, but there's clearly
a lot going on and I used to just watch
this movie, like I think it had been a while
since i'd seen it, and the deeper uh revelations came
out last night when when I was watching it, because
I don't think it ever really hit me when I

(19:42):
was younger and watching it that it was such a
tale of redemption. Uh. And I love that theme and
movies in general, like show me a movie about a
person's redemption, and I'm all over it. It's the best
version of that in my opinion. Like it is it
It tells the most realistic tale of of redemption or
self improvement, uh that I think I've ever seen in

(20:05):
a movie. Um, and it does that end. So anyways,
I mean what I love about the movie is it
because it does not have an explicit message. It doesn't
have an I don't think it has an explicit sort
of uh spiritual allegory in there by design. Um whenever

(20:27):
Harold Ramus and Danny Rubin. Danny Rubin wrote the screenplay
and Harold ram Is directed and did some work on
the screenplay too. What they talked about it's like, yeah,
it's not because a lot of people want to look
for like specific spiritual meaning, like oh, is this perfect
articles about that where people really um have taken it
to deep, deep spiritual levels, but because they don't have
sort of an explicit uh meaning or explicit sort of

(20:52):
message that they're trying to get across. Uh. With that,
like you can really take out of it whatever you want,
and there's a one that you can take out of it. Um.
I I adored that this movie got made the way
that it got made. I think it's a I think
it's a miracle because it could have been so many
other things. It could have been way corny er and
like book ended with sugary sweet voiceover or like reinforcement

(21:19):
of this is what we've all learned, right. Uh. And
I know you probably know all this tribute too. But
early on, um, it was like a gypsy curse type
of thing. It originally uh well, the the original plot
was Danny Rubin, who wrote the screenplay, just wanted to
tell a story about a dude who live forever and
what that would mean, like what you go through, what

(21:41):
your day looks like when you live forever. And it
sort of turned into the Groundhog Day time loop, which
this movie sort of turned into the Troper, you know,
storytelling mechanic that that it is today. Um. But then
the studio was like, oh yeah, we want we wanted
to be more or three act structure, more more of

(22:02):
a straight up and down Bill Murray comedy. And so yeah,
they had a plot line where in the first scene
in the movie, Bill Murray dumps his his girlfriend I
think while they're like shooting the weather report, and then
she cast a magic spell on him to make him
live the same day for ten thousand years. And then
it's just Bill Murray comedy all throughout, and I'm so

(22:23):
glad it did not go in that direction. Yeah, it
says this said a disaffected ex lover named Stephanie, Stephanie
the Wizard. I guess she has a spell on him
to teach him lesson to make h to make sweet
love to groundhogs all over the land. While reading Charles Dickens,
I'm not sure what that even means. Yeah, I don't
think so either, But I think that's one of the

(22:43):
things that stuck out to me last night, was like
they didn't, um, and now that it doesn't work, I
was like, in big it certainly worked. That it was
the Zoltar machine, and that was kind of fun. But
it's never explained in Groundhog Day yeah at all ever,
which is unusual I think for a Hollywood movie. Yeah,
the the original uh script before they went through all
these changes went even harder, and that the movie opened

(23:05):
up and you just see Phil Bill Murray's character living
out this day and he knows everything that's going on,
and you the viewer looking at this because it starts
in media az like what, which I think would have
been cool. But they walked it back a little bit
from that. Yeah, And I think they even went back
after they were done to even shoot the weatherman scenes
at the beginning. Yeah, just so people would know, like

(23:27):
what whose characters were. Yeah. Um, A lot of like
the tone of the movie based on stuff I've I've
I've read, and like reports from the cast that I've
seen came from the fact that like they had this
this this script that they kind of found this middle road.
Harold Ramos was like fighting the studios to make not
this dumb slapstick comedy, which still would have been good,

(23:48):
but it wouldn't have been the best movie ever made. Um.
And they had this script and then Bill Murray was
going through some marital problems at the time, was like
really difficult to work with, was genuinely like bummed out
most of the time, and he did not want it
to be a comedy at all. And so that because
of that, like they went through another round of of

(24:09):
rewrites and and Bill Murray helped helped out with those,
and then I think that's how it landed on the
tone that it had now, uh, which is a little
bit more contemplative than I think this movie would have
been if it was made by anybody else totally. And
that's why it works because it strikes that middle ground. Um,
do you know, I assume you know, because you're you

(24:31):
clearly know your you know, the whole deal with he
and Ramos. Yeah, I got, they like broke bad after that. Yeah.
So for those of you out there that don't know this,
it's kind of sad. He was, like you said, going
through marital issues. Um, very difficult on set, hard to
work with, a very tough time in his life, and
was bothering Ramos so much that about the tone of

(24:52):
the movie that Ramos eventually and this was his like
partner and best friend, you know, through Stripes and Caddy
check and gos Susters and previous with the National Lampoon
or The Harbor Lampoon, I guess, or maybe it was
National Lampoon. Um cast him off to his uh, to Ruben,
the other writer basically and said deal with him. I

(25:14):
can't deal with you anymore. And they didn't speak until
he died for decades. Yeah, they didn't. They didn't reconcile
that it was on his deathbed. Yeah, it's very sad
like that was going on while this is being made.
Is just I didn't know, and that until afterward that
I watched it last night and I did all this research,
and it's just it's weird to look at it through
that lens. Now. It's hard to read anything into it

(25:36):
without because I don't know Bill Murray, I didn't know
Harold Ramus, and this obviously I think this would this
seemed like a pretty personal thing. I can absolutely understand
sort of the frustration that I think there was probably
a lot of frustration around this specific movie in general,
because they had to go through so many different things,
and it was obviously a genius idea, but there was

(25:57):
constant struggling to figure out what it was going to be,
constant fighting over what it was going to be, and
then I think to have it done, to have the
studios and the screenwriters to say, Okay, here's the thing,
and then Bill Murray comes in and says, well, I
wanted to be a little sadder. I can't. Like that's
probably extremely frustrating for for Harold Ramos. There had to

(26:18):
be other stuff going on, though you don't not speak
for twenty one years Bill Murray because of the movie.
I feel like Bill Murray is a very intense dude.
He's one of my my favorite like actors in general. Um,
but every time I see him, I'm like, there's a
lot going There's a lot going on in there. I
bet there's a lot of pain underneath it. Yeah, sure,

(26:40):
and and yeah, and it's very very sad. I mean,
I'm still very sad about Harold Ramos is passing, just
sort of in general, this is this is obviously also
very sad. Yeah. So his brother Brian Doyle Murray, who
was in the movie as well. Um, I guess I
see the mayor or uh yeah, I don't. I don't
know if the very least he's the guy that leads

(27:00):
the the Puxetani Field ceremony. Um, but he's the one
who was like, you know, you gotta go see Harold
like he's dying. And uh, of course no one knows
what exactly what was said in that room, but Bill
had a nice sort of tribute to him. I think
of the Oscars maybe um very better sweet though man.
And he's the whole death ped reconciliation that's happened a

(27:22):
few times in the past few years with some of
my favorite artists and uh like bands and stuff, and
uh it's always just like heartbreaking that that's what it
takes to to work it out. That's super sid you know.
He he originally wasn't uh supposed to be in the movie,
right they had now they talked to Tom Hanks. I
mean there's which would have been something. There's a long

(27:43):
list and I couldn't decide if you never know when
you see a long list like this, they were originally
considered or I think Hanks might have been actually offered
the part and turned it down. Yeah, but this is
the list I have, Michael Keaton, Tom Hanks, Michael Key.
It would have done all right, I could I've seen that.
But you know, like back in the day, this was

(28:04):
like like Mr Mom talk. Well actually that was eighties
but he was still in that zone Chevy Chase. No,
there's no way Steve Martin I could have seen. Yeah,
Bill Murray is just such a sad dude that like,
Bill Murray is very funny, but it's also very sad.
And I feel like that is the well if, I mean,
if Bill Murray hadn't been in this movie, it would

(28:24):
have been significantly different. You're just the performance that was given,
but the tone of the film in general. Yeah, and
and he was, I mean, he was an asshole in
this period, which is how you have that great character arc,
the redemptive qualities of it. I don't know that Steve
Martin could have pulled that off. He's never been like
a big dick in a movie, has he? I mean,

(28:45):
dirty rotten scoundrels shop Girl to a lesser extent. Yeah,
I forgot about shop Girl. That was good. Um, Alec Baldwin,
No way, Oh my god, Howie Mandel? All right? I
feel like this list is from the Sanka bull It.
Maybe Billy Crystal, Robin Williams, Kevin Line, Harrison, Ford, mel
Gibson and Kevin Costner and John Traba would love to

(29:05):
see the mel Gibson kind of this one. Yeah, no,
it's it's it couldn't it's this movie is it's it's
kind of a perfect summation of of Bill Murray in
my mind, almost in a similar way that lost in translation.
Is like, these are the two movies I think of
when I think of Bill Murray, not not Stripes, Not
which is love Stripes. It's it's it's just a big

(29:27):
kind of goofy, goofball comedy, uh and and weird kind
of a two part thing. Yeah, this is this is
this is more than that. And that's it's the more
than that. It's that little bit of salt that you
put on the cake to make the sugar taste sweeter. Well,
I mean, now that I know the backstory, it definitely
all comes together in my mind like that he was

(29:48):
going through a very hard time because there's so much
more going on in this movie than what, like you said,
what it could have been, which is just I mean,
it is sort of a feel good movie in the end,
but it takes a long time to get there, and
it doesn't take a straight path there. That's my favorite
thing about it is that it doesn't have this this
three act structure has like a nine act structure where

(30:08):
you think, even when I rewatch it and I've seen
it a hundred times, there are peaks and valleys throughout
the whole movie, and I keep I'll forget about them, like, oh,
he's he's, you know, finally had the good day with
Andy McDowell, and then this is where it turns. But no,
it gets very bad again after that for a long time.

(30:29):
And then there's the whole scene of him trying to
save the homeless man in the alleyway, which is so
rough and you're like, oh my god, we got to
be close to the end now, And that happens so
much that it feels like, once he finally gets on
that final upswing, like it really means something and really
it it's a movie about like fighting to improve yourself

(30:52):
and to like put together the best day possible. And
because of the weird sign wave of a path that
it takes to get to that point, like it really
feels like he earns it at the at the at
the very end. Oh totally man, because in in another
version of this movie, a very kind of hollywoody version,
he could have been like, oh I get it. I

(31:14):
have to be a good version of myself. And but
I just keep screwing it up a little bit, like
it takes him a long time, and a holly more
hollywoody version of this movie, there wouldn't be an extended
sequence where he kills himself over and over. Yeah, I
mean that's so dark. It's extremely dark, and it's it.
It harkens back to sort of the original idea that
Danny Rubin had, what if there was a person who

(31:35):
was immortal? Like, like, what does that do to you?
What does that do to you? I? I am prone
to spells of like immense existential dread sometimes, like I
get I get very very freaked out thinking about just time,
like the infinite nature of time, and like when I
think about that ship like it, it genuinely freaks me out.
And so I feel like I'm drawn to media where, uh,

(31:58):
that is an element and characters are trying to find
their their path or a way to just like live
when confronted with that sort of existential dread. And there
has never been a movie that has been made that
does that even close to as as as well as
as Groundhog Day does. Dude, where do you get into

(32:18):
your mid forties? Oh, dude, you're going to be a mess.
Just tell Rachel, like send me an email or something.
I like, I really I enjoyed the conversations about how
long the movie takes place, like how how many many
days of loops that there were? Because there's no like
official company line on that, No, I have a little

(32:41):
bit of information on that, so it ranges, um, everywhere
from ten thousand years was like the original the second
version of the script sort of saying, but that seems wild,
that's that's an extremely long time. Well, so thirty eight
days are actually depicted in the movie. So that's just
the real you what we see. But obviously we know

(33:01):
a lot goes on, right, he learns to play the pianoulture.
I think he learns like French or something like that.
He learns, Yeah, and he knows all the backstory of
everyone in town. Um. But on the DVD Harold Ramos said,
and you might know this that it's about ten years,
but then other people it ranges from days to twelve

(33:22):
thousand days, thirty something years. I saw was that in
order to do all these things, we envisioned it to
take a lifetime, which is, you know, a little bit
more ambiguous. I know there was also a good way
to say it. Though, some scientific like study dove into
like how long would actually take to do all these things,
and they came up with like thirty four years, two

(33:43):
months some rays. Um, that's really kind of fun stuff
to think about that. Yeah, sure, but getting back a
second to um, when you're talking about what would you
do if you knew, yeah, that you could live forever?
And um in true true to the character, the first

(34:05):
thing he does is like, well, I'm gonna try and
sleep with as many ladies as possible. And it never
shows it because I think it's maybe even PG is it. Yeah,
I mean there's no explicit Bill Murray nudity. They're also
familiar with, uh, but that's the first thing he does.
And I remember Ruben in an interview said something about that,
like the first thing most guys would do is see
like how can I game the system with women? Um,

(34:27):
which he did. And there's still never any schmaltzy scene
where he's like, oh, well that's not satisfying me. It's
just sort of underneath the surface, like through his actions,
you get that he's eventually to where it builds to
me like the climax is the characters is the old
man stuff, and it's just so sad, It's extremely sad.

(34:50):
There are very few points in the like the movie
is not explicit about anything. What the loop is, what
the what the meaning behind it is? Uh? And and
you're right there. There are very few scenes where except
for the one where Bill Bill Murray has just had
the series of failures with Andy McDowell and I think
he had all the series where he kills himself and
they have that scene in the Tiptop Cafe where he
says I've been He like just sits her down and says,

(35:13):
I've been, you know, doing this thing. I've been looping
and there's nothing I can do about it, and she
finally gives him that piece of of of wisdom. Uh.
But there's other than that. There's no you're right. There's
no scene where it's like, you know what, casual sex
is not doing it for me, and he is not
doing it for me, so yeah, maybe I should, you know,
try to be a good person. Yeah. Well, and then

(35:36):
after she has that talk, which I think is just
basically like, you know, it's all in your frame of mind,
like this could be the greatest thing ever. And that's
when he wakes up the next day and he's like OK,
and it's hugging the guy in the hallway and it's
so friendly to the lady downstairs. But again I don't
even know because that's before like the homeless, that he's

(35:56):
the thing where he tries to save the homeless. You
keep thinking like, all right, he's got he's there at
it now, but he doesn't have it now. The best scene,
my favorite, I crack up every time, and it's a
single line that has delivered and he has the loop
with Annie mcdowwarre. He kind of tricks her into falling
in love with him by going through just like then,

(36:17):
against this series of loops where he asks uh. And
this is where we see like the most rapid fire
repetition of of days, what are you drinking? We'll all
have uh for I forget what the drink is, but
he memorizes her drink. And then the next week sweet
Vermouth on the rocks with a twist, and the next
day he knows it and knows what to cheers to

(36:38):
world peace. I always see a short prayer for world pease.
It's extremely funny the way that he takes that information
and sells it I say a short prayer. But the
best is he finally makes it to that loop. They
have this fun snowball fight in the after they make
a snowman with some kids fall to the snow and
kiss and it's very romantic. And then he botches it

(36:58):
right at the very end, and then he tries to
recapture that one perfect loop and he's getting super impatient,
and he's like really frantic with the snowball, and when
he's having this frantic snowball fight with the kids, just
completely lost it at this point and he's cackling. He's like,
I love you kids, and up for adoption is the
funniest line in the entire film. Dude, I love that

(37:20):
line because he sells it with this frantic like it's working.
It worked one yeah, yeah, it's so great, man. And
the pacing of the whole thing, like it's just masterful pacing,
because it vacillates between taking its time and then like
it'll pick up with that series of of the loops

(37:40):
kind of happening really quickly, and then it will slow
back down again. It really it is just a bit
of a miracle of a movie. It is, you know,
And I never looked at it that way until last night.
And you know, when I watched the movies for this show,
take a bit of a deeper look at stuff. And
that's last night. I was just like, oh my god,
there's so much going on here that I really realized, Yeah,

(38:01):
there's it's it could have been so many movies and
all but one of those would have been a good
Bill Murray comedy. Yeah, but you still get a little
bit of just a good Bill Murder funny movie. Chris
Elliot is also very good in this In this movie, uh,
he's not in a whole lot, but and and there's

(38:22):
there's a lot of really great performances. But it it is.
It's my favorite movie of all time because while it
is funny, it is also like deeply contemplative, uh in
a way sort of uh an examination of like spirituality
in some senses, like transcendence in some ways that just
like there's a lot to there's a lot to to

(38:45):
get out of it. I yeah, and there's no like
there's no mentor like a lot of times you would
uh in a movie like this, there's like the yse sage.
Uh that by all accounts, it would have been the
bartender that they see over and over or like God,
like God straps down from the heavens just like straight
up comes down and it's like you have been tested,

(39:07):
movie ruined, like done. There is no mentor. He has
to do this all on his own, and I think
that's why it takes him so long. It's because he
innately is not a good dude, so he's gonna keep
sucking it up over and over. Yeah, and also, like
baseline level, it's a genius premise for a movie that
now has like you know, Edge of Tomorrow and there's

(39:28):
a new movie out that actually really want to see
if I could still go to movies, The Happy Happy
Death Day. I saw that when I was researching this.
I haven't heard of it, but yeah, apparently it's a
sort of this that's a screen queen slasher flick. But
she keeps repeating the same day and is trying not
to get murdered in the day, which sounds like a
neat premise. There's there's a there's infinite examples of it

(39:49):
now and this was the this was, if not the
first sort of exploration of that idea, like obviously the
best I think, and the sort of one that established
the the a conceit well, and it's it's become like
the term groundhog day has almost replaced deja vu in
some ways, Like it's part of the lexicon now and

(40:10):
I love that all that comes from. Uh. Brian Rubin
had written this script about a guy who was reliving
the same day and wanted a day for it. And
it was January when he was trying to figure this out.
So he opened up his calendar and the first holiday
he came to his Groundholliday. And he thought, like, you know,
groundhog Day is a holiday, but there's really no pomp
and circumstances around it. There's no like, there's not really

(40:32):
a whole lot of stuff other than they pulled the
groundhog out of the ground. So I think I could
really own this holiday. Did he should be definitely definitely did? Yeah.
I mean, I mean, I know groundhog Day was a
thing before this, but this is definitely like ramped up,
absolutely aware of recognition of groundhog Day. I'm trying to
see if there's any more trivia that I know that

(40:53):
you know, Um, what are some of your favorite lines,
by the way, uh, your favorite moments? I mean the
any time where Bill Murray starts to like part the
curtain a little bit and explained to Chris Elliott and
Nanny McDowell that he I'm I'm a god, the god
at least I don't think. So I goes to the

(41:16):
entire diner in that scene and like says, this is
Susan and she's going through a divorce. And that scene
is so good. It's extremely good, like at any time
where like he uses his his his day loop as
like almost like a superpower, so like kind of refreshing. Um.
I think I love the parts, uh most where he
is that Bill. I mean he's the greatest dead pan

(41:40):
actor of all time. Yeah we can probably say that, right.
Um so when he is at his wits end, uh,
like that one moment where he wakes up and you
need to see him on the corner gust of wind
dog bark time. I remember, you're so god. This is
a good movie. The part where he's sitting in the
lobby of the hotel with all the old women and

(42:02):
they're watching Jeopardys and he starts answering the questions and
he does turns to him just like like titty cockle.
I was just looking at him like, well, and that
it is the moment at the end of that, the
last one he answers, he literally just turns his head
to the side, and at the very beginning of the
question answers, it's so dead band, And they give him

(42:23):
like a little round of applause, and none of them
are like, wait a minute, that's kind of impossible. They
just all buy it because they're old. Um god, I
could I love a lot of things about this about
this movie. Apparently on set when oh god, I forgot
these lines too, um, when he was talking about like
what day he could have lived over and over and

(42:45):
at sunset we made love like sea otters like it,
and I lived that day. But apparently when he got
to set every day he would uh to Ramus and
of course I don't know the backstory. They may not
have had a lot of great interactions, but he would
just say good Phil or bad Phil, like which because
he would get a little confused, shooting it out of order,
and it's a bit of a confusing movie anyway. As

(43:07):
an actor, I would imagine just like which dude am?
I I like that the groundhog used in the film
is not actually a Punksutani. An official Punks Atani Phil
because they really when they didn't shoot the movie in
Punks of Tani, people the like officials in Punks Tani
got a little miffed um and refused to let them
use Punks of Honni Phil, but sent representatives to Woodstock

(43:28):
to make sure that like everything that was being shown
to like represent like Gobbler's Knob and the whole ceremony
was all accurate. And they were very happy with how
it turned out. But there was some bad blood there
and they're like, how are you gonna make a groundhogs
Day movie? This is all we have? You can't even
shoot it here because their downtown scene wasn't like, didn't

(43:48):
look like they wanted to look. It didn't look like
Punks Atani And if I guess, Hollywood is sometimes kind
of bogus, where it was like, your town doesn't look
like your town, so we're gonna do a different town
make it look like your town. Do you know who
loves this movie? I found this morning David oh Russell. Um.
I read an article in the Atlantic and there are
a lot of deep dive articles about Groundhog Day Um,

(44:10):
which is delightful if you're researching the stuff but there
was one in The Atlantic, I think in David or
Russell when the interviewer called him, answered in the voice
of the character that Stephen Tobolowski played that yeah, ned
the intern sky and he answered in that voice and
the guy I thought he had the wrong number. And
then he went bang, just David or Russell hamming it

(44:33):
up on the phone and just like talked ad nauseum
and at length about just like we're doing, like how
much he loves this movie. It's gotta be as a filmmaker,
a storyteller of any sort, Like all stories are about
a improvement of some sort, learning something and then using
using that information to better yourself for your situation. Most

(44:54):
stories are about that. The best ones, the best ones
are about that. And this, this is this is a
this is a beautiful case study in in that entire
concept that shows up in almost all creative works in
a way to do it that is not cheap and
not easy and and not straightforward, but still like remarkably

(45:15):
satisfying because it's not cheap and easy and straightforward. Yeah,
it ends up being so sweet, but it's not manufactured.
It's like you said, it's earned. It's they didn't corn
it up at all, which could have very easily happened. Um. Alright,
So we finish up here with a couple of segments
every week, one called what Ebert said, This movie is

(45:38):
a complete disappointed because I always like to go back
and this one's actually interesting. Yeah. Well he gave it
four stars. Um, I think this is one of the ones.
And Ebert did this quite a few times where he
would go back years later and write a second review. Um.
And it's not like he didn't like groundhog Day at first.
I thought I gave it three stars. I thought he

(45:59):
did not give it that he did he three stars
is pretty good, but he gave it a good review
at first, and then I think in two thousand three,
is this next review? Um, it's one of those that
grew on him and he saw the deeper meanings as well.
So it's kind of cool. It was sort of critically
like it's a good Bill Murray flick when it came out.
Why does this happen so often? Where like, uh, movies

(46:20):
only reached sort of genius level American classic status like
a decade after they are released. I don't know, Well, maybe,
especially in a case like this, it is under the
guise of a very light Yeah. I'm at the point
you go to it thinking like, oh, it's gonna be
a fun bill movie. Yeah, it's not like h Like
you go into Blade Run, You're like, all right, I'm

(46:41):
ready to start digesting. So I want to So I
got last time we traveled for the live shows? Uh,
we did you all go to movies? We all went
to a movie because we were all it was all
just me and Dad and Justin Travis, or like, let's
go see Spider Man finds. The last movie I've the
most recently home Coming. Yeah that was good. Did you

(47:04):
like it? I loved it? Yeah, me too. So here's
what Eber had to say in the in the re review,
groundhog Day is a film that finds its note in
purpose so precisely that its genius may not be immediately noticeable.
There you have it. It unfolds so inevitably, it is
so entertaining, so apparently effortless, that you have to stand
back and slap yourself before you see how good it

(47:24):
really is. Certainly I underrated it in my original review.
I enjoyed it so easily that I was seduced into
cheerful moderation. But there are a few films, and this
is one of them that burrow into our memories and
become reference points when you find yourself needing the phrase, uh,
this is like groundhog Day to explain how you feel
a movie has accomplished something pretty good. Yea, and totally

(47:47):
what I thought, which is, yeah, it took a little while,
even for the great Roger ebertfully get it. Uh. And
then finally we end with five questions you can just
answer it with brevity. The actor's studio. What is your
favorite sound? Um? No, first movie you remember seeing in
the theater? Uh, Drassic Park? Fell asleep? I was young.

(48:11):
I was like, well, Dress Park, it was right around
this movie actually felt right, felt right there. And that's
an impressive sleeping feet, by the way, because there's a
lot of Dino yelling. Did you fall asleep before the Dinosaurs? Yeah?
I think I musta. I remember waking up and the
TRX was pushing the jeep through the gate. You're like,

(48:32):
what the movie about camping? Yeah? Uh? First R rated
movie that you saw, Oh god, do you remember uh?
In theaters or either on? The first star rated movie
I saw was at home? It was brave heart. Ah yeah,
not as a not as a first that's a that's

(48:56):
a hard arsome at certain points. Yeah, like also boring
as hell yeah, except like a great historical epic, right.
I would watch it and think like this is so
boring wire people watching this movie, And then the fighting
was starting, like hell yeah, fighting, but then they'd start
decapitating each time, but like, oh no, fighting, not that

(49:16):
fighting us. The first one I saw in theaters was
that Horrible. It was that black comedy that Tom Hanks
was in about all the five people who were trying
to uh no, no, no, it was later. It was
a later film because I was quarantine. Uh. He was
trying to like these five people are trying to con
this old woman out of their money. That was it.

(49:39):
That was the one. No, five people trying to con
a woman. Oh, the Lady Killers, The Lady Killers. That
was the first Star movie I saw him. Yeah, and
I did not enjoy that one. Yeah, well that's definitely
like probably super bad. I think it's not going to
super bad because I wasn't enough to see it yet.
You were much younger than me. Yeah. Uh. Number three,

(50:02):
do you walk out of a bad movie and do
you remember doing so I've done it. I did it once. Uh,
And I was on like a kind of like a
friend date, like a group of our friends all just
sort of went to see Crazy Beautiful with Gunts. I
don't know if it was a good or bad movie,
but we were just not really feeling it. So everyone's like,

(50:25):
let's get then we're at the mall. It was at
a mall theater, and so like when you're at a
mall theater and you're seeing a movie with like a
big group of friends and you're all not feeling it,
there's you could go to, you know, because you can
walk out and do anything you want to, walk out
and be in a yeah yeah uh. Number four, do
you have a guilty pleasure that you find you return
to a lot of people don't, so don't feel the

(50:48):
need to. You know, I probably do, um m hmm.
And if you remember later you can text me, you know,
imitate your voice and dub it in. I mean, this
is more of a TV thing than a movie thing.
That's because when I feel like I want to just
like watch something and not like, well you have a

(51:11):
podcast on the Bachelor, Well not anymore. We've changed, We've
since changed directions because yeah, that that that pleasure got
a little too guilty. Now now it's you do a
show on Nova. Yeah, a show on on BBC classics. Um, so,
like shows like d O C, was simultaneously a guilty
pleasure and also my favorite, one of my favorite shows

(51:32):
ever made. Um I never saw that as a good one. Uh. Yeah,
I can't really, I can't really think too much. I'm
sure there's a lot of terrible movies that I counts.
I mean, for this purpose, I'm basically saying, embarrass yourself, Griffin. Uh.
There was a movie I loved a lot when we

(51:53):
were kids called Kung Pao Into the Fist, starring Steve
Odin Kirk. Yeah, I remember that, and it was him
green screening himself into old Kung Fu movie. I never
saw that was a good I mean, no, so I'm
bringing up here, but there was. I mean, if you,

(52:13):
if you enjoyed infantile comedy because you were a you know,
sixteen year old infant, uh, then it's it's going to
hit a lot of the hit a lot of the
right notes for you, I would be I would be
terrified to watch it today. I have not seen this
movie in many many many years. Alright, Ajean, it does
not hold up to seventeen scrutiny. Right, it's not a

(52:33):
groundhog Day. Um. So finally number five, I just call
this movie going one on one. I know you haven't
been in a while, but when you do go to movies,
what is your ritual? Like? Um, find that people generally
kind of do the same thing. I mean, I'm gonna
sound like such a snob, but like this is the
Alamo Drafthouse kind of got me here. They that this

(52:57):
is the way that I watch a a movie now,
and I have a hard time watching it anywhere else.
I the Great Drafthouse in Austin. It's well, they're all
over now, They're they're in many many cities. Yeah, but
I assume the original is where you go. Yeah, well
there's like five or six in Austome. We live two

(53:19):
hundred and fifty yards away from a draft house. It
is extremely good. Um. I you know, I like snacks.
I'll get a sour patch kid large diet diet coke
of some sort, usually maybe some popcorn. But that's very
hit or miss for me. Um, But at draft house
it's like I'll get dinner. Yeah, so you can eat
in the theater, I'll get a keen wap bowl. Like

(53:42):
if you don't mean the draft House, you just order.
You have menus at the table and you write them
down on little piece of paper and you put them
up on the little placards and they come and they
bring your your food or your drinks, um and so so.
Now like I my my like processes. I will get
like a tasty meal and a couple of beers and

(54:03):
they bring these uh they bring they have candy on
the menu, but they bring them in little like Chinese
takeout boxes. That's very very cute. But like my big
thing is like I get righteously fear and I think
probably everybody says this, but I genuinely like it. Guess
to the point where I can't enjoy the movie anymore
if anybody talks um, because it's like why are you?

(54:25):
Why are you here? Why did you decide to come
here today and pay the forty dollars for the ticket?
If you're going to talk and draft House? If you
do that, they kick you the funk out. Yeah, I
would think that they take it pretty seriously. They take
extremely seriously. Before every movie they show this same warning,
which is if you talk or arrive late, you don't
get to watch the movie. You will be removed. And

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this is God's House, no joke, that level of intent.
There's scary music that they play under it, uh, and
they take it super super seriously. And so like all
of these things, like I've always I worked at a
movie theater for a little while and I had to
kick out a few people for talking, and I despite,
like it makes me so angry because it's so selfish.

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So like, oh, I'm going to be I'm going to
ruin the experience of everybody here who every time you
like talk loudly in a theater, think about, like, if
there's a hundred people there who paid fifteen dollars like
you are, you're ruining fifteen hundred dollars worth of enjoyment.
Why like stop stop it? And so draft House like

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has all this stuff just unlock. And the worst is
when you can tell they're doing it because they're just
not into it. They're bored. And that's the worst. I mean,
if someone is legitimately whispering something to a friend, that's
one thing. But if someone just like this movie now,
even the whispering to a friend, if I hear that ship.
You know, you can raise an order card like that,

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you write your food on. That's what you're supposed to
do to tattle on talkers. I am always at the
ready because I can't. I I literally start thinking, why
are they talking? I'm out of the movie, I'm done.
Where do you sit? I'll see? Okay, I have a
very small bladder, and so I so like, you know,

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middle of the theaters as close as I can, in
the in the in the aisle, got anything else other
things just in general? Oh no, not really. Alright, go
watch It's a wonderful life. I think you'll really really
enjoy it. I will do that. And sir, I hope
you get to the movie theater soon. Yeah, played running
before it's gone at the very least. Yeah, Like I

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don't know how to block out five hours of my
day to go see Blade. Yeah, but um, good luck
to you, sir, Thank you. This is great. Yeah all right,
see Bud, that was a sheer delight. I did not
know how it was going to go recording in the

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morning like this, because Griffin and I are are dudes
who who warm up in the afternoon with the comedy.
But it ended up being really fun and funny and
insightful as well, um as you could tell. You know,
groundhog Day is as a much deeper movie than you
might think from sort of a lighter Bill Murray comedy.
But there's a lot going on in that film, and

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I'm glad we got a chance to dive deep, really
really fun. So check out my brother and my brother
and me go watch groundhog Day again because why not.
And thanks for listening in on Movie Crush this week,
and we will see you next time. And until then,
here's a tip. Mix some peanut Eminem's in with your
buttered popcorn and just get ready to feast on a
delightful trip. Movie Crush is produced, edited, engineered, and scored

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by Noel Brown from our podcast studio at Pond City Market, Atlanta, Georgia.