January 16, 2024 • 18 mins
Pakistani activist, journalist, documentarian and filmmaker Sharmeen Obaid-Chinoy has made documentaries that have changed policies around gender rights, earned numerous accolades, and is now set to direct a new Star Wars movie.
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Speaker 1 (00:05):
Hey, this is Annie and Smansa and welcome to stuff
I've never told you a prediction of iHeartRadio. And welcome
to another edition a Feminist around the World. And yes,
I'm taking over your segment again, Samantha.
Speaker 2 (00:24):
I dare you, Yes, so I dare I.
Speaker 1 (00:27):
Dare I do want to put a timestamp on this
one because it's changing a lot. Today is January tenth,
twenty twenty four. Happy belated birthday to my friend Marissa.
Speaker 3 (00:40):
If you're listening, Happy belated birthday Marissa.
Speaker 2 (00:43):
Yeap yesterday yesterday.
Speaker 1 (00:45):
So yeah, this one is a bit of a follow
up I mentioned recently. It's a bit of a follow
up on the episode we did my last takeover of
the segment on Nia da Costa and the Marvels. So
today we are talking about the director of the next
Star Wars movie that is going to focus on Daisy
Ridley's character Ray and her Jedi Order. It's supposed to
(01:05):
take place fifteen years after the Rise of Skywalker. It's
set to come out sometime in twenty twenty six. But
this director is Charmine Obeyed Hinoi. She has said she
loves heroes, she loves the lived in esthetic, of the
original trilogy and things like Andora. That's part of why
she was hired. She is the first woman and Pakistani
(01:26):
American to direct a Star Wars movie. So quickly, there's
a reason this story came into my lap, and it
was kind of comical and infuriating. So I was hanging
out with a friend of mine recently and she was
talking about how she works with this guy who is
liberal in some ways but very conservative in other ways,
(01:48):
and she can't quite figure him out. And one of
the examples she brought up was she said he was
talking he didn't understand her point. She was making about
like toxic fandom, women and people of color off of
social media, like all of this, and he didn't know
what she was talking about. But of course he had
(02:09):
a comeback and it was, well, did you hear what
this new director has said? She has said that this
new movie she's making is going to make men uncomfortable,
And I was like, huh, that doesn't sound right. I
feel like I would know about this if that was true.
And sure enough, so I have quite a story for you.
But first let us break down Charmino Bai Chanoi. She
(02:34):
is a Canadian Pakistani activist, journalist, documentarian, and filmmaker, perhaps
best known for her work around honor killings and asset
attacks against girls and women in her home country. She
was born in Karachi, Pakistan, in nineteen seventy eight, and
she later moved to the US, where she received a
bachelor's in economics and government from Smith College and then
(02:54):
two master's degrees from Stanford University and Communication and International
Policy Studies. After she graduated, she moved to Canada with
her husband, where she became a Canadian citizen, But in
two thousand and two she returned to Pakistan to make documentaries.
Her twenty twelve documentary Saving Face traced the harsh history
of acid attacks against women in Pakistan, highlighting the stories
(03:17):
of two survivors of these attacks and bringing to light
how prevalent they were at the time, and as part
of her work, she helped push for changes to address
these attacks. Here's the quote from screen rant. Her works
have been hugely influential, resulting in actual changes of the
law pertaining to honor killings in Pakistan. In twenty twelve,
the government of Pakistan awarded Obeyed Chenoi one of its
(03:38):
highest civilian honors, and time magazine recognized her as one
of its top one hundred most influential people in the world.
In twenty fifteen, she debuted documentary following the story of
Pakistani musicians on their journey to perform at Lincoln's Center
in New York called Song of Lahore, and her twenty
sixteen documentary A Girl in the River The Price of
(03:58):
Forgiveness followed the story of a woman who survived an
attempted honor killing, and in doing so, it shedded light
on the history of this practice in that country. All
of these were acclaimed, and she did a bunch of
other projects too. These are just a taste. Her other
works have looked into issues such as child abuse, gun violence, police,
(04:18):
women's soldiers, education, the trans experience in Pakistan, and scarcity.
And she has done children's series one including one that's
sort of like Our Female First but in Pakistan, in
an animated film called Satara Let Girls Dream That sounds
really really interesting. She also directed the twenty eighteen documentary
(04:40):
Student Athlete alongside Trish Dawton that was on HBO. She is,
as of January twenty twenty four, the first and only
woman director to win two Academy Awards by thirty seven
years old, and the first Pakistani winner and only one
of eleven women to win an Oscar for a non
fiction film. She's won six Emmy Awards, both at the
(05:00):
International Emmy Awards and News and Documentaries Awards. And that's
really just a handful of what she's won. So here's
a quick run through, but again this is not at
all complete. She was the first non US American person
to win a Livingstone Award for Young Journalist. Twenty fifteen,
she became the first Pakistani person to make a full
(05:21):
length computer animated movie. She was the first artist named
to co chair of the World Economic Forum in twenty seventeen.
That same year, she was awarded the Knight International Journalism
Award by the International Center for Journalist. She's also been
involved in charities. No surprise, she was key in founding
the Citizens' Archive of Pakistan in two thousand and seven,
which is an organization focused on preserving the culture and
(05:43):
heritage of Pakistan. Though a bulk of her work has
been in documentaries, this is not her first foray. Star
Wars will not be her first foray into Hollywood by
any means. In twenty twenty two, She directed two episodes
of the Disney Plus show Miss Marvel before seeing read
in episode five, time and time again. She was the
first Pakistani director to work with Marvel, and this did
(06:07):
give her a really valuable experience working with visual effects
teams who reported enjoying working with her. Cinematographer Jules Olafwin
told screen Rant, the last thing was the director. Sharmino
baie Chenoi is on paper a pretty amazing person. She's
a two time Oscar winning, seven time Any winning documentary director.
Not only that, she's very much involved in a lot
(06:28):
of social programs in Pakistan, highly regarded there. I did
my research, I started delving into her. I was blown away.
She sounded pretty amazing. Then I met her on a
Zoom call and we hit it off immediately. I just
thought I had to work with this woman. She just
sounds so amazing. The rest is history. I've worked with
her and I love her. She is amazing. She's everything
(06:48):
the Google search said she is, but so much more.
She's a really decent, wonderful human being and I loved
working with her every minute. Which, yes, if you haven't
seen that show, Miss Marvel, the host is a big
part of that show. Uh and Charmino Beijani had done
an installation called Home nineteen forty seven and twenty seventeen
(07:09):
all about the ten million Indian and Pakistani families displaced
by the partition, which is something that is part of
the show. Okay, so she's done a lot. Now she's
(07:29):
directing a Star Wars movie with a female lead, Daisy
Ridley with Ray and yes, a quote was circulating that
was going to quote make men uncomfortable. So let's break
this down. This quote is at least eight years old
and was about her film saving face about the.
Speaker 2 (07:51):
Yeah, it wasn't even no.
Speaker 3 (07:53):
It was a dude because he's.
Speaker 1 (07:56):
Yeah, yes, and it wasn't part actually a joke. She
kind of was like, oh, yeah, I like to make
men uncomfortable. And the moderator was Jon Stewart and she
immediately said to him, but not you like it was
kind of a joke, and she was talking about this
subject matter that she documented, which was very traumatic, and yeah,
(08:16):
should probably make you uncomfortable. And I just would like
to put a reminder here if you're mad about this
Star Wars thing, like, maybe take a second and think
about the documentary she's done, Like made me think about that.
But okay, it was eight years old quote, but everyone
was saying, oh, she hates men, she hates Star Wars.
(08:39):
There's like already a ton of articles and internet users
that appiled on claiming she doesn't have any experience to
be working on this movie. I would like to point
out there's a couple things I would like to point out.
One is the script is written by a man. I
do think that that's important to keep in mind because
I feel like a lot of the criticisms has gotten
(09:00):
as a character is that she's underdeveloped or superficial. She
was written and directed by a man, Like, I think
Daisy really did a great job. But if I feel like,
you know, maybe just keep that in the back of
your head. I also kind of feel like I get
that critique, but I feel like she's in every person
character and a lot of male heroes are that character
(09:21):
and they don't get the same critique. And I don't
think this. I don't know this guy. I'm not saying
he's gonna do a bad job at all. I'm just saying, like,
that's something to keep in mind, and I want success,
so I'm not like I hope he veils and I
can point him, No, I want like something.
Speaker 2 (09:36):
I want a good movie. And you can see.
Speaker 1 (09:41):
Our book and the chapter I did on Mary Suis
for more about this whole thing with Ray's character and
a lot of the critiques she has already gotten, and
a lot of them very sexist in nature. Obey Chnoi
even as a quote about the importance of having male
champions in your life. But she did say this will
be a women centered in feminist movie. She said, quote,
(10:02):
it's about time we had a woman shaped Star Wars,
which got everybody really mad, and a lot of people
I feel like we're being disingenuous with their critique of
this because they were like, well, women, have you know
what about the Brackett or whatever, and like yeah, but
this is the first woman directing the Star Wars movie,
like ah, And if you type in her name and YouTube,
(10:25):
all the first results were like Star Wars hates men,
Go away, Star Wars is two woke, a Star Wars
movie by a man hating feminists. The new Star Wars
director really hates men. Star Wars director has ties to
Hillary Clinton without respect we reject.
Speaker 3 (10:45):
I'm very specific. It was very Hillary Clinton.
Speaker 2 (10:53):
The thumbnail was very funny. I must say, I thought.
Speaker 3 (10:56):
Really find it hilarious that feminist is now coincided with
I don't know, stopping honored this. I mean, I guess,
I mean technically yes, yeah, but it's a bad thing.
Speaker 1 (11:12):
Yeah, question, trust me. I want to come back and
do a whole episode on this. I do not want
to because otherwise this episode is gonna be way too long.
But yes, I have a lot of thoughts about this.
I personally don't think Adam Driver is helping. I can't
tell if he's joking or not, but he's like, Wokeness
killed Han Solo Because every apparently everybody comes up to him,
it's like, why did you kill Han Solo?
Speaker 2 (11:33):
He says, Wokeness killed Oh yeah.
Speaker 3 (11:35):
That doesn't help when they misquote everything. So if they're
taking a quote that was not even reference to this movie,
and then she said it may not gonna be uncomfortable
because of what she does for this movie, which is
not true. They're going to take that quote and run
with it.
Speaker 2 (11:50):
Oh, they were so happy to run with it. Oh
my gosh.
Speaker 1 (11:53):
But it was really funny because when my friend said
that at the story I told at the top, I
immediately looked up, looked it up, and I was like,
that's what thought, That's exactly what I thought.
Speaker 3 (12:01):
So only were you really wrong, but you're really like
telling on yourself.
Speaker 2 (12:07):
Yes, and they don't know.
Speaker 1 (12:10):
Either they don't know or willfully are misrepresenting it right.
And today, just today I saw a headline that they
are now they announced that the Mandalorian Grogu are getting
their own movie by Jean Favreau and Dave Filoni and
all of these same people are like good damage control.
Maybe they'll never make this movie at all, which does happen,
(12:31):
So it could be this movie never comes out, we'll.
Speaker 3 (12:34):
See or they'll do the same thing where they ruin it.
Speaker 1 (12:36):
Yeah, that's true, that's true. And we did talk about
that with the Marvels about like with a huge company
like this, sometimes like the editing is out of the
director's control. Sometimes like pieces of it are out of
your control. And Star Wars notoriously like a look at
our episodes we did on the sequel trilogy with how
literally every movie changed the story completely from the last
(12:58):
one because of toxic fandom and the company like caving
into it. So you can have legitimate critiques on something
Lord knows. I have very I have some critiques on
Star Wars and Marvel stuff, but again, this movie hasn't
even come out yet, so can we stop. But I
hate that so much of these criticisms are tied up
in sexism and racism and what have you, and women
(13:21):
and people of color are punished more for a movie
that isn't perfect, which of course it won't be again,
especially if it's this huge company like Disney. Again, your
beautiful Darling film Imparta Strikes Back, which is my favorite,
was largely financed outside the studio, so it wasn't subject
to Disney, but now it is, and there's all of
these people like, well, we can't make these people.
Speaker 2 (13:43):
Man, we can't do this. We can't do this, we
can do this, can't have nice things?
Speaker 1 (13:47):
Yeah, and I know I talked about this before, but
I hate being in anywhere near the Vinn diagram of.
Speaker 2 (13:52):
Of these people.
Speaker 1 (13:53):
So I feel like I have to be more outspoken
about something that maybe I don't like that much either,
but I'm like, no, oh, I'm not going to be
on your side because you're gross.
Speaker 3 (14:03):
You're not wrong, but I'm definitely not taking sides with
you exactly.
Speaker 1 (14:07):
And I will defend things I don't like a Star
Wars universe. I absolutely will, because sometimes you just don't
like something but other people do and that's okay.
Speaker 2 (14:15):
That's okay. Sometimes I like parts of it and not
all of it, and that's okay, Like, oh okay. That's
why being a fan is. Did you find the things
you like and you let people like what they like.
Speaker 3 (14:27):
Yes.
Speaker 1 (14:28):
So it's just like I feel annoyed because obviously for
a lot of reasons, but I feel annoyed because they're
already angry about something. It hasn't come out. They were
always going to say the same thing, but now I
feel like I won't even say fans because I won't
call them that, but like they'll say they have a
(14:49):
legitimate critique as a disguise to hide that they're actually
just being sexist, are racist, and they were never going
to like it in the first place. They were never
going to like it, and then they get angry when
they get called out on it because they point to
other people who maybe agree.
Speaker 2 (15:06):
But not for the same terrible reasons.
Speaker 1 (15:09):
It's just them, like they're using you for their bullshit
to justify how they are. Like that's why I hesitate.
That's why I've been so protective of some things. I
don't even like that much because.
Speaker 2 (15:21):
I'm like, I'm not gonna let you be this bad man.
Speaker 1 (15:24):
I will not stand for it. It is.
Speaker 2 (15:29):
And look, can I recommend fan fiction to you if
you don't like it. There's a old world. There are books,
you can read, tons of comics. There's so much out there.
You're fine.
Speaker 1 (15:42):
You can have a headcanon. You keep it to yourself,
but it's beautiful.
Speaker 2 (15:45):
I have fun.
Speaker 3 (15:47):
It's great.
Speaker 1 (15:48):
A bunch of people like me are able to do
that instead of being hateful and driving people off social media.
And I promise you we have more reason to be
angry than you do. So I'm tired of it.
Speaker 2 (16:02):
And they are so emotional, and you know it.
Speaker 1 (16:08):
Might actually be a good movie of this thing you
say you're a fan of, So maybe just wait and
see and be open minded about it. Just calm down,
and like, I'm somebody who get I get emotional about
fan things.
Speaker 2 (16:20):
But I also know when it's like, all right, I
didn't like it wasn't for me. That's my right, that's it,
and you move on.
Speaker 3 (16:26):
You don't collection if I have to watch every day.
Speaker 2 (16:29):
Exactly moving on.
Speaker 1 (16:30):
See see all right, well I'm looking forward to it. Yes,
and this has been like I honestly, and I feel
a little shamed about this. I didn't know all of
this stuff about obeyed Chanoi and this is amazing stuff
like some of those I think we should put in
our movies and our books, like absolutely anyway, Sorry, got
(16:55):
a little emotional.
Speaker 2 (16:55):
I like it, but get them. I'm so annoyed by this. Well, listeners, if.
Speaker 1 (17:02):
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That st We do think it's not about some ideas
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Hey, this is Annie and Smansa and welcome to stuff
I've never told you a prediction of iHeartRadio. And welcome
to another edition a Feminist around the World. And yes,
I'm taking over your segment again, Samantha.
Speaker 2 (00:24):
I dare you, Yes, so I dare I.
Speaker 1 (00:27):
Dare I do want to put a timestamp on this
one because it's changing a lot. Today is January tenth,
twenty twenty four. Happy belated birthday to my friend Marissa.
Speaker 3 (00:40):
If you're listening, Happy belated birthday Marissa.
Speaker 2 (00:43):
Yeap yesterday yesterday.
Speaker 1 (00:45):
So yeah, this one is a bit of a follow
up I mentioned recently. It's a bit of a follow
up on the episode we did my last takeover of
the segment on Nia da Costa and the Marvels. So
today we are talking about the director of the next
Star Wars movie that is going to focus on Daisy
Ridley's character Ray and her Jedi Order. It's supposed to
(01:05):
take place fifteen years after the Rise of Skywalker. It's
set to come out sometime in twenty twenty six. But
this director is Charmine Obeyed Hinoi. She has said she
loves heroes, she loves the lived in esthetic, of the
original trilogy and things like Andora. That's part of why
she was hired. She is the first woman and Pakistani
(01:26):
American to direct a Star Wars movie. So quickly, there's
a reason this story came into my lap, and it
was kind of comical and infuriating. So I was hanging
out with a friend of mine recently and she was
talking about how she works with this guy who is
liberal in some ways but very conservative in other ways,
(01:48):
and she can't quite figure him out. And one of
the examples she brought up was she said he was
talking he didn't understand her point. She was making about
like toxic fandom, women and people of color off of
social media, like all of this, and he didn't know
what she was talking about. But of course he had
(02:09):
a comeback and it was, well, did you hear what
this new director has said? She has said that this
new movie she's making is going to make men uncomfortable,
And I was like, huh, that doesn't sound right. I
feel like I would know about this if that was true.
And sure enough, so I have quite a story for you.
But first let us break down Charmino Bai Chanoi. She
(02:34):
is a Canadian Pakistani activist, journalist, documentarian, and filmmaker, perhaps
best known for her work around honor killings and asset
attacks against girls and women in her home country. She
was born in Karachi, Pakistan, in nineteen seventy eight, and
she later moved to the US, where she received a
bachelor's in economics and government from Smith College and then
(02:54):
two master's degrees from Stanford University and Communication and International
Policy Studies. After she graduated, she moved to Canada with
her husband, where she became a Canadian citizen, But in
two thousand and two she returned to Pakistan to make documentaries.
Her twenty twelve documentary Saving Face traced the harsh history
of acid attacks against women in Pakistan, highlighting the stories
(03:17):
of two survivors of these attacks and bringing to light
how prevalent they were at the time, and as part
of her work, she helped push for changes to address
these attacks. Here's the quote from screen rant. Her works
have been hugely influential, resulting in actual changes of the
law pertaining to honor killings in Pakistan. In twenty twelve,
the government of Pakistan awarded Obeyed Chenoi one of its
(03:38):
highest civilian honors, and time magazine recognized her as one
of its top one hundred most influential people in the world.
In twenty fifteen, she debuted documentary following the story of
Pakistani musicians on their journey to perform at Lincoln's Center
in New York called Song of Lahore, and her twenty
sixteen documentary A Girl in the River The Price of
(03:58):
Forgiveness followed the story of a woman who survived an
attempted honor killing, and in doing so, it shedded light
on the history of this practice in that country. All
of these were acclaimed, and she did a bunch of
other projects too. These are just a taste. Her other
works have looked into issues such as child abuse, gun violence, police,
(04:18):
women's soldiers, education, the trans experience in Pakistan, and scarcity.
And she has done children's series one including one that's
sort of like Our Female First but in Pakistan, in
an animated film called Satara Let Girls Dream That sounds
really really interesting. She also directed the twenty eighteen documentary
(04:40):
Student Athlete alongside Trish Dawton that was on HBO. She is,
as of January twenty twenty four, the first and only
woman director to win two Academy Awards by thirty seven
years old, and the first Pakistani winner and only one
of eleven women to win an Oscar for a non
fiction film. She's won six Emmy Awards, both at the
(05:00):
International Emmy Awards and News and Documentaries Awards. And that's
really just a handful of what she's won. So here's
a quick run through, but again this is not at
all complete. She was the first non US American person
to win a Livingstone Award for Young Journalist. Twenty fifteen,
she became the first Pakistani person to make a full
(05:21):
length computer animated movie. She was the first artist named
to co chair of the World Economic Forum in twenty seventeen.
That same year, she was awarded the Knight International Journalism
Award by the International Center for Journalist. She's also been
involved in charities. No surprise, she was key in founding
the Citizens' Archive of Pakistan in two thousand and seven,
which is an organization focused on preserving the culture and
(05:43):
heritage of Pakistan. Though a bulk of her work has
been in documentaries, this is not her first foray. Star
Wars will not be her first foray into Hollywood by
any means. In twenty twenty two, She directed two episodes
of the Disney Plus show Miss Marvel before seeing read
in episode five, time and time again. She was the
first Pakistani director to work with Marvel, and this did
(06:07):
give her a really valuable experience working with visual effects
teams who reported enjoying working with her. Cinematographer Jules Olafwin
told screen Rant, the last thing was the director. Sharmino
baie Chenoi is on paper a pretty amazing person. She's
a two time Oscar winning, seven time Any winning documentary director.
Not only that, she's very much involved in a lot
(06:28):
of social programs in Pakistan, highly regarded there. I did
my research, I started delving into her. I was blown away.
She sounded pretty amazing. Then I met her on a
Zoom call and we hit it off immediately. I just
thought I had to work with this woman. She just
sounds so amazing. The rest is history. I've worked with
her and I love her. She is amazing. She's everything
(06:48):
the Google search said she is, but so much more.
She's a really decent, wonderful human being and I loved
working with her every minute. Which, yes, if you haven't
seen that show, Miss Marvel, the host is a big
part of that show. Uh and Charmino Beijani had done
an installation called Home nineteen forty seven and twenty seventeen
(07:09):
all about the ten million Indian and Pakistani families displaced
by the partition, which is something that is part of
the show. Okay, so she's done a lot. Now she's
(07:29):
directing a Star Wars movie with a female lead, Daisy
Ridley with Ray and yes, a quote was circulating that
was going to quote make men uncomfortable. So let's break
this down. This quote is at least eight years old
and was about her film saving face about the.
Speaker 2 (07:51):
Yeah, it wasn't even no.
Speaker 3 (07:53):
It was a dude because he's.
Speaker 1 (07:56):
Yeah, yes, and it wasn't part actually a joke. She
kind of was like, oh, yeah, I like to make
men uncomfortable. And the moderator was Jon Stewart and she
immediately said to him, but not you like it was
kind of a joke, and she was talking about this
subject matter that she documented, which was very traumatic, and yeah,
(08:16):
should probably make you uncomfortable. And I just would like
to put a reminder here if you're mad about this
Star Wars thing, like, maybe take a second and think
about the documentary she's done, Like made me think about that.
But okay, it was eight years old quote, but everyone
was saying, oh, she hates men, she hates Star Wars.
(08:39):
There's like already a ton of articles and internet users
that appiled on claiming she doesn't have any experience to
be working on this movie. I would like to point
out there's a couple things I would like to point out.
One is the script is written by a man. I
do think that that's important to keep in mind because
I feel like a lot of the criticisms has gotten
(09:00):
as a character is that she's underdeveloped or superficial. She
was written and directed by a man, Like, I think
Daisy really did a great job. But if I feel like,
you know, maybe just keep that in the back of
your head. I also kind of feel like I get
that critique, but I feel like she's in every person
character and a lot of male heroes are that character
(09:21):
and they don't get the same critique. And I don't
think this. I don't know this guy. I'm not saying
he's gonna do a bad job at all. I'm just saying, like,
that's something to keep in mind, and I want success,
so I'm not like I hope he veils and I
can point him, No, I want like something.
Speaker 2 (09:36):
I want a good movie. And you can see.
Speaker 1 (09:41):
Our book and the chapter I did on Mary Suis
for more about this whole thing with Ray's character and
a lot of the critiques she has already gotten, and
a lot of them very sexist in nature. Obey Chnoi
even as a quote about the importance of having male
champions in your life. But she did say this will
be a women centered in feminist movie. She said, quote,
(10:02):
it's about time we had a woman shaped Star Wars,
which got everybody really mad, and a lot of people
I feel like we're being disingenuous with their critique of
this because they were like, well, women, have you know
what about the Brackett or whatever, and like yeah, but
this is the first woman directing the Star Wars movie,
like ah, And if you type in her name and YouTube,
(10:25):
all the first results were like Star Wars hates men,
Go away, Star Wars is two woke, a Star Wars
movie by a man hating feminists. The new Star Wars
director really hates men. Star Wars director has ties to
Hillary Clinton without respect we reject.
Speaker 3 (10:45):
I'm very specific. It was very Hillary Clinton.
Speaker 2 (10:53):
The thumbnail was very funny. I must say, I thought.
Speaker 3 (10:56):
Really find it hilarious that feminist is now coincided with
I don't know, stopping honored this. I mean, I guess,
I mean technically yes, yeah, but it's a bad thing.
Speaker 1 (11:12):
Yeah, question, trust me. I want to come back and
do a whole episode on this. I do not want
to because otherwise this episode is gonna be way too long.
But yes, I have a lot of thoughts about this.
I personally don't think Adam Driver is helping. I can't
tell if he's joking or not, but he's like, Wokeness
killed Han Solo Because every apparently everybody comes up to him,
it's like, why did you kill Han Solo?
Speaker 2 (11:33):
He says, Wokeness killed Oh yeah.
Speaker 3 (11:35):
That doesn't help when they misquote everything. So if they're
taking a quote that was not even reference to this movie,
and then she said it may not gonna be uncomfortable
because of what she does for this movie, which is
not true. They're going to take that quote and run
with it.
Speaker 2 (11:50):
Oh, they were so happy to run with it. Oh
my gosh.
Speaker 1 (11:53):
But it was really funny because when my friend said
that at the story I told at the top, I
immediately looked up, looked it up, and I was like,
that's what thought, That's exactly what I thought.
Speaker 3 (12:01):
So only were you really wrong, but you're really like
telling on yourself.
Speaker 2 (12:07):
Yes, and they don't know.
Speaker 1 (12:10):
Either they don't know or willfully are misrepresenting it right.
And today, just today I saw a headline that they
are now they announced that the Mandalorian Grogu are getting
their own movie by Jean Favreau and Dave Filoni and
all of these same people are like good damage control.
Maybe they'll never make this movie at all, which does happen,
(12:31):
So it could be this movie never comes out, we'll.
Speaker 3 (12:34):
See or they'll do the same thing where they ruin it.
Speaker 1 (12:36):
Yeah, that's true, that's true. And we did talk about
that with the Marvels about like with a huge company
like this, sometimes like the editing is out of the
director's control. Sometimes like pieces of it are out of
your control. And Star Wars notoriously like a look at
our episodes we did on the sequel trilogy with how
literally every movie changed the story completely from the last
(12:58):
one because of toxic fandom and the company like caving
into it. So you can have legitimate critiques on something
Lord knows. I have very I have some critiques on
Star Wars and Marvel stuff, but again, this movie hasn't
even come out yet, so can we stop. But I
hate that so much of these criticisms are tied up
in sexism and racism and what have you, and women
(13:21):
and people of color are punished more for a movie
that isn't perfect, which of course it won't be again,
especially if it's this huge company like Disney. Again, your
beautiful Darling film Imparta Strikes Back, which is my favorite,
was largely financed outside the studio, so it wasn't subject
to Disney, but now it is, and there's all of
these people like, well, we can't make these people.
Speaker 2 (13:43):
Man, we can't do this. We can't do this, we
can do this, can't have nice things?
Speaker 1 (13:47):
Yeah, and I know I talked about this before, but
I hate being in anywhere near the Vinn diagram of.
Speaker 2 (13:52):
Of these people.
Speaker 1 (13:53):
So I feel like I have to be more outspoken
about something that maybe I don't like that much either,
but I'm like, no, oh, I'm not going to be
on your side because you're gross.
Speaker 3 (14:03):
You're not wrong, but I'm definitely not taking sides with
you exactly.
Speaker 1 (14:07):
And I will defend things I don't like a Star
Wars universe. I absolutely will, because sometimes you just don't
like something but other people do and that's okay.
Speaker 2 (14:15):
That's okay. Sometimes I like parts of it and not
all of it, and that's okay, Like, oh okay. That's
why being a fan is. Did you find the things
you like and you let people like what they like.
Speaker 3 (14:27):
Yes.
Speaker 1 (14:28):
So it's just like I feel annoyed because obviously for
a lot of reasons, but I feel annoyed because they're
already angry about something. It hasn't come out. They were
always going to say the same thing, but now I
feel like I won't even say fans because I won't
call them that, but like they'll say they have a
(14:49):
legitimate critique as a disguise to hide that they're actually
just being sexist, are racist, and they were never going
to like it in the first place. They were never
going to like it, and then they get angry when
they get called out on it because they point to
other people who maybe agree.
Speaker 2 (15:06):
But not for the same terrible reasons.
Speaker 1 (15:09):
It's just them, like they're using you for their bullshit
to justify how they are. Like that's why I hesitate.
That's why I've been so protective of some things. I
don't even like that much because.
Speaker 2 (15:21):
I'm like, I'm not gonna let you be this bad man.
Speaker 1 (15:24):
I will not stand for it. It is.
Speaker 2 (15:29):
And look, can I recommend fan fiction to you if
you don't like it. There's a old world. There are books,
you can read, tons of comics. There's so much out there.
You're fine.
Speaker 1 (15:42):
You can have a headcanon. You keep it to yourself,
but it's beautiful.
Speaker 2 (15:45):
I have fun.
Speaker 3 (15:47):
It's great.
Speaker 1 (15:48):
A bunch of people like me are able to do
that instead of being hateful and driving people off social media.
And I promise you we have more reason to be
angry than you do. So I'm tired of it.
Speaker 2 (16:02):
And they are so emotional, and you know it.
Speaker 1 (16:08):
Might actually be a good movie of this thing you
say you're a fan of, So maybe just wait and
see and be open minded about it. Just calm down,
and like, I'm somebody who get I get emotional about
fan things.
Speaker 2 (16:20):
But I also know when it's like, all right, I
didn't like it wasn't for me. That's my right, that's it,
and you move on.
Speaker 3 (16:26):
You don't collection if I have to watch every day.
Speaker 2 (16:29):
Exactly moving on.
Speaker 1 (16:30):
See see all right, well I'm looking forward to it. Yes,
and this has been like I honestly, and I feel
a little shamed about this. I didn't know all of
this stuff about obeyed Chanoi and this is amazing stuff
like some of those I think we should put in
our movies and our books, like absolutely anyway, Sorry, got
(16:55):
a little emotional.
Speaker 2 (16:55):
I like it, but get them. I'm so annoyed by this. Well, listeners, if.
Speaker 1 (17:02):
You have any thoughts about this, if you have any suggestions,
clearly I do. I'm going to go back and talk
about this war excited. You can email us any suggestions
for this segment. I didn't finish my sentence.
Speaker 2 (17:16):
You can email.
Speaker 1 (17:17):
Us step Media mom Stuff at iHeartMedia dot com. You
might us on Twitter at mom stuff Podcasts, or on
Instagram and TikTok and stuff. I never told you. We
do have a book you can get wherever you get
your books. We have a t paolog store you can
get some stuff there. We need to add some more
stuff to.
Speaker 3 (17:30):
That st We do think it's not about some ideas
and we haven't done anything about it.
Speaker 2 (17:35):
Yes, that's that's on my New Year's list.
Speaker 1 (17:39):
So all right, Well, thanks it's always to our super
produced Christine or executive producer Maya and a contributor Joey.
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