September 17, 2024 • 16 mins
A master thief with a good heart, Carmen Sandiego made a huge impact on kids - and continues to do so. From her start as an antagonist in educational games and shows, to a recent reboot, she has evolved and grown a fanbase. We unearth clues around her origins and discuss why we still want to know where in the world is Carmen Sandiego.
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Speaker 1 (00:05):
Hey, this is Sandy and Samantha.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
I'm welcome to stuff I've never told you, Protection by
Heart Radio and welcome to another sub sub subsub sub segment,
pictional Women around the World. Today we are talking about
Carmen San Diego. There are gonna be some spoilers because
(00:28):
there is a new show on Netflix, is there.
Speaker 1 (00:32):
Yeah, I don't know that.
Speaker 2 (00:33):
It's a new animated show. Carmen san Diego is voiced
by Gina Rodriguez, but I'm not gonna go too much
into that because the Lord's deep. My friends, it's pretty new,
so and a lot of I just saw, like, wow,
the canon is changing so rapidly in Carmen San Diego.
(00:56):
But I will talk about it a little bit. What
is what is your experience with Carmen san Diego, Samantha.
Speaker 3 (01:03):
Oh, I grew up in the generation of PBS. Where
in the world is Carmen San Diego. I was just
talking about the fact that TikTok had a video of
the Rockapillas doing the outro song at the end, it's
so good.
Speaker 1 (01:16):
Where in the world is Carmen San Diego?
Speaker 3 (01:20):
Anyway? All that to say, yes, and I remember so well.
I think she was a cartoon. They never actually had
a character of her. You just had to find her
and the kids would find her and get a prize.
It was one of my watches for a little while.
It's so vague. It's right there with Captain Kangaroo, Don't Worry,
(01:40):
Don't't worry about Me, like in that vagueness. As well
as Ghostwriter. It was Ghostwriter and where in the world
is Carmen San Diego. Those are the ones that I
remember the most, but I still don't remember. But man,
it was something.
Speaker 1 (01:54):
It was something, and I don't know any more about her.
Speaker 3 (01:57):
I just know the game show.
Speaker 1 (01:58):
Oh you're gonna learn.
Speaker 2 (02:00):
I'm excited this is This was a fun one. I'd
never really watched the show. Spoiler alert, not really because
it's from the eighties. Uh this she actually started as
a video game character.
Speaker 1 (02:13):
I didn't know that.
Speaker 2 (02:15):
I didn't play any of the games, but I would
have loved them.
Speaker 3 (02:19):
I remember pet playing on the computer. She was a
geography game, and I played that as well. I think
it was in the third grade. Look it was good.
Speaker 1 (02:29):
Oh my gosh. I would have loved it. I would
have loved it.
Speaker 2 (02:33):
But I think OSMOSI she was just so popular that
I somehow knew about her, like I knew the song,
I knew how she was gay queer lore for her.
Speaker 3 (02:43):
Yeah, yeah, I think I remember that coming on later
and I was like, yeah, that makes sense, that makes sense.
Speaker 1 (02:49):
Yeah, sense.
Speaker 2 (02:51):
I will say a lot of I have several friends
who dresses Carmel san Diego for like Halloween and love it.
Speaker 1 (02:58):
A lot of them are queer.
Speaker 2 (03:01):
That doesn't necessarily mean anything, but it is something that
I've noted in pest.
Speaker 3 (03:06):
I just remember that being a thing much later. And
this is again, this was my childhood, so.
Speaker 2 (03:12):
Well, I oh my gosh, this was such a fun one.
And actually I'm gonna call it out later, but there
is a great article you can read about how much
this meant to teachers, especially when it came out in
the eighties. So okay, yes. Carmen san Diego. The character
(03:34):
Carmen san Diego was first introduced in nineteen eighty five
and the first of what would grow to become twenty
two video games and later three TV shows, some of
them Emmy winning multiple board games, books and comics, and
in twenty nineteen, Netflix debuted a new series focused on
Carmen San Diego. There are classroom resources, books, games that
(03:58):
you can use in the class. There's a whole website
carmensan Diego dot com you can look up more about this.
Her story has recently gone through some retconning, so please
feel free to write in if I make mistake. I
would actually love to hear about it. I know one
of our listeners has.
Speaker 1 (04:15):
Written about this. Okay, yeah, love it.
Speaker 2 (04:18):
I love it, yes, okay looking at the game. In
nineteen eighty three, game programmer Dane Bigham started work on
what would eventually become the video game Where in the
World Is Carmen San Diego. In these early stages, it
was really just a framework. It was a graphic based
game for kids that was like literally all they knew
(04:40):
what they wanted. Eventually, he and his team settled on
cops and robbers as a theme because they wanted to
differentiate themselves from like a dungeon based game that was
really common at the time. So this would have you
you would have a clear objective instead of like wandering
around to dungeon and maybe not knowing what you're doing.
(05:02):
Bigham's boss came up with the idea to include a
hard copy of the world Almanac and book of facts
with the game.
Speaker 1 (05:10):
This was new, This was like a new thing.
Speaker 2 (05:14):
This edition also spurred on the idea that the game
could add elements of the almanac into it, and this
led to the international bit. But the programmers wanted to
avoid the educational label because those types of games were
not great at the time.
Speaker 1 (05:29):
They weren't cool.
Speaker 2 (05:31):
So they were like, how do we add in this
almanac but not make it too education at least on
the front of it. It doesn't look like that. And
a lot of these games at the time relied on
blocks of text, like a digital version of a choose
your own adventure game, so you like do you go
this way or do you go that way? Which wasn't
(05:53):
always the clearest for kids. So this game added images
to make it more accessible, along with multiple choices of options.
So if you haven't seen it and you're a nerd
like me, I really recommend looking it up. But it's
essentially like a picture of somewhere in a different country,
(06:13):
like in Prague, and it'll say, like you find a clue,
it's a red whatever for whatever, and it gives you
four like multiple choice Like I searched this, so I
talked to this person.
Speaker 1 (06:26):
I do like all these things. I would have loved it.
I tell you I would have ate this up.
Speaker 2 (06:34):
In the game, Carmen san Diego is your main nemesis.
She was the leader of the villain's International League of
Evil or Vile. She and her crew would steal famous
works of art or landmarks. The player who worked for
Interpol and later something else but Interpol. It first, oh
(06:55):
Acme Acme would use the almanac to interpret clues to
figure out where is Carmen san Diego. Basically, plot wise,
the player would investigate thefts around the world fine clues
that would lead them to the criminals next target, until
they caught the criminals, although you could make a mistake
(07:17):
and then you would have to backtrack and you would
lose time, so there's a time element as well. As
the player catches her henchman Carmen. Though she ducks, she alludes.
Her wit and ability to evade capture made her something
of an anti hero to girls and Latina folks at
the time, and in the writing process she went from
(07:39):
a minor character to the mastermind. Her character was portrayed
as a thief with a heart or a thief who
wanted a challenge, but wouldn't hurt anyone. She's more of
a prankster than a criminal, and that was a deliberate
choice that they made. And you know, I love this.
Her henchman had pun names like kin hardly read and
(08:02):
polyester fabric. There I almost just read a pole list
and then they're so good.
Speaker 1 (08:19):
It first came out on a floppy disc. Wow, yep, wow.
Speaker 3 (08:25):
I'm pretty sure I've played that.
Speaker 2 (08:28):
It took a minute, but sales really took off in
nineteen eighty six. It was popular and burgeoning school computer labs.
So this is around the time when schools were starting
to get those and here comes this game that you
could use in those computer labs. Within a decade, it
had sold four million copies and it led to so
(08:51):
many other games, some of them very specific, like where
in time is Carmen San Diego? Where in North Dakota
is Karmen San Diego? Now that one is the one
that I mentioned. You can find a really long article
about how it got made. So essentially, teachers in North
Dakota were like, this game is great.
Speaker 1 (09:14):
We love this.
Speaker 2 (09:16):
What if we could make it North Dakota based. They
also loved that it was it wasn't so male and
boy focused. The reward for success wasn't a princess or
anything like that. They love that, and so they kind
of came together. They wrote to the creators, and these
teachers came together, like, we love this, we love using
(09:38):
it in classrooms, we make lesson plans around it. Can
we make this work in North Dakota? And the teachers
pretty much did it, Like they came up with all
this trivia and worked on it and made it happen.
And I believe there was a recent kind of exhibit
of it and students who had played it it came
(10:00):
in or like I remember loving this game. I have
such fond memories of it.
Speaker 1 (10:07):
It's a great article.
Speaker 2 (10:07):
I highly recommend looking it up because it's really fun
to hear how they work together to make it happen.
The live TV show that you mentioned, Samantha on PBS,
ran from nineteen ninety one to nineteen ninety five, and
then yes, in twenty nineteen, the Netflix series came out.
And in this Carmen was born in Buenos Aires, where
(10:28):
she went to study to be a criminal at the
Vile Academy for Criminals. Actually, well, I think this is
a retcon. Recently, it was revealed she was kidnapped. Oh,
and that's why she was at vile Academy for criminals.
But anyway, during her time there, she eventually decided to
become a force for good and now fights against her
old classmates. She is an expert in stealth, an excellent
(10:52):
problem solver, proficient at gadgets, and a pro at disguise.
I would say in the Netflix show, she's more of
a Robin Hood figure, steals from bad people and gives
up to good people. I suppose she has your typical
spy skills, but like really talented. She doesn't know or
doesn't reveal her birth name. She goes by code name
(11:14):
Black Sheep. Her father was assassinated trying to protect her
as a baby, and she was taken to file and
she loses her memories, gets them back.
Speaker 1 (11:23):
That's the whole thing.
Speaker 3 (11:24):
And it is.
Speaker 2 (11:25):
I think it's in season four, so it's been around,
and a lot of the reviews.
Speaker 1 (11:31):
I read of it really enjoyed it. I know I
believe it was.
Speaker 2 (11:33):
Listener Taylor wrote in and said that it was pretty good,
except for like some of the more recent episodes, but
people that do seem to be enjoying it, and I
think like.
Speaker 1 (11:48):
This character has brought a lot of joy.
Speaker 2 (11:51):
I think a lot of people have these fond memories
of playing the game or watching the show or what
have you. But like you would, you would open the
it was really fun reading. One of the creators was like, yeah,
people like being right, So you know, you'd open the
almanac and you'd be like searching what the right answer
(12:14):
is to where is Carmen san Diego. But people were
kind of learning through this when they wanted to be
or not. I think they said the the kids were
more likely to use the almanac, the adults were more
likely to just guess anyway, There's been a lot written
about it. I think it's really fun and really cool.
(12:36):
I'm fascinated by the fact she's had this lasting impact.
But I think people do like a character like that.
She was just fun. She always like managed to escape you.
But she was kind of more of a prankster than
a villain. Yeah, she was a fun She's a really
fun character. And I did find a lot of stories
of kids of all backgrounds and genders having really fond
(12:58):
memories of her, of thinking she represented how powerful leaders
women could be.
Speaker 1 (13:03):
How smart.
Speaker 3 (13:04):
I think.
Speaker 2 (13:05):
Gina Rodriguez has a really good story about this where
she's talking to her nephew and she's I don't know
how it came up, but she was kind of saying, yeah,
you know, women, unfortunately, you often don't have the same
power or like whatever, and her nephew was like, but
put in Karma san Diego. She's the leader, she's the head.
(13:26):
She's like just like believing. Well, but here I see
and I believe in the In the show the Netflix show,
most of the white male characters that are working with
Interpol are kind of portrayed as like they don't take
Carmen san Diego seriously and that is their doubtful.
Speaker 1 (13:48):
That is their doubtful.
Speaker 3 (13:51):
Oh.
Speaker 1 (13:53):
I had a great time researching this one.
Speaker 3 (13:55):
I love Carmon sand like, I really did. She was
one of those that I remember growing up being like,
this is a really fun game. There's nothing like, there's
nothing concerning, there's nothing problematic about it. And I was like, yeah,
then the kids have been doing the show, and yeah,
I think we've competed for computer time to get to
play this game. I did not look up Almanacs.
Speaker 1 (14:19):
I was just right, you just knew.
Speaker 3 (14:22):
I just knew with what I knew it now hell no.
Speaker 2 (14:27):
Listen, listeners, look it up. But it is fun, Like
I was getting into it just looking at screenshots.
Speaker 1 (14:33):
I said, oh yeah, worries. It really was a whole thing.
Speaker 3 (14:36):
I can't even remember, and I'm not gonna tell you,
like if I remember anything about the game, I just
know I played it, and I just know I loved it.
I remember Peggy Carter's outfit was so reminiscent of common
San Diego. I didn't know if that was on purpose,
m because she is a spy as well, and she
travels the world and she's one of the few women
(14:57):
like do it like so in my head, they could
have been paralleled by obviously not one's Latina and that
there's not so right, but she had brown hair.
Speaker 1 (15:05):
You know, people do things anyway.
Speaker 3 (15:08):
But yeah, it was so significant that that's who I
thought maybe they had modeled. I didn't realize Marble. I
was like, oh dud, that would never but they were
so similar in like the hats and the clothes and
all like huh huh.
Speaker 2 (15:19):
Yeah yeah, And a bunch of people did bring up
like her style was on point.
Speaker 3 (15:25):
Oh yeah, even toodles today at one.
Speaker 2 (15:29):
Point, yes, yeah, and there are people still writing about this.
I found very in depth studies that I was like,
oh wow, okay, studying the music music.
Speaker 3 (15:42):
I'm telling you that I remember it clearly.
Speaker 2 (15:45):
Mm hmm, I do too, And like I said, I
to my knowledge, I didn't even watch it.
Speaker 1 (15:51):
I didn't play the game, but it got to me
even so.
Speaker 2 (15:55):
As But yes, listeners, we would love to hear from
you if you have fond memories of this, or just
memories at all, if you play the game, watch the show.
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Hey, this is Sandy and Samantha.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
I'm welcome to stuff I've never told you, Protection by
Heart Radio and welcome to another sub sub subsub sub segment,
pictional Women around the World. Today we are talking about
Carmen San Diego. There are gonna be some spoilers because
(00:28):
there is a new show on Netflix, is there.
Speaker 1 (00:32):
Yeah, I don't know that.
Speaker 2 (00:33):
It's a new animated show. Carmen san Diego is voiced
by Gina Rodriguez, but I'm not gonna go too much
into that because the Lord's deep. My friends, it's pretty new,
so and a lot of I just saw, like, wow,
the canon is changing so rapidly in Carmen San Diego.
(00:56):
But I will talk about it a little bit. What
is what is your experience with Carmen san Diego, Samantha.
Speaker 3 (01:03):
Oh, I grew up in the generation of PBS. Where
in the world is Carmen San Diego. I was just
talking about the fact that TikTok had a video of
the Rockapillas doing the outro song at the end, it's
so good.
Speaker 1 (01:16):
Where in the world is Carmen San Diego?
Speaker 3 (01:20):
Anyway? All that to say, yes, and I remember so well.
I think she was a cartoon. They never actually had
a character of her. You just had to find her
and the kids would find her and get a prize.
It was one of my watches for a little while.
It's so vague. It's right there with Captain Kangaroo, Don't Worry,
(01:40):
Don't't worry about Me, like in that vagueness. As well
as Ghostwriter. It was Ghostwriter and where in the world
is Carmen San Diego. Those are the ones that I
remember the most, but I still don't remember. But man,
it was something.
Speaker 1 (01:54):
It was something, and I don't know any more about her.
Speaker 3 (01:57):
I just know the game show.
Speaker 1 (01:58):
Oh you're gonna learn.
Speaker 2 (02:00):
I'm excited this is This was a fun one. I'd
never really watched the show. Spoiler alert, not really because
it's from the eighties. Uh this she actually started as
a video game character.
Speaker 1 (02:13):
I didn't know that.
Speaker 2 (02:15):
I didn't play any of the games, but I would
have loved them.
Speaker 3 (02:19):
I remember pet playing on the computer. She was a
geography game, and I played that as well. I think
it was in the third grade. Look it was good.
Speaker 1 (02:29):
Oh my gosh. I would have loved it. I would
have loved it.
Speaker 2 (02:33):
But I think OSMOSI she was just so popular that
I somehow knew about her, like I knew the song,
I knew how she was gay queer lore for her.
Speaker 3 (02:43):
Yeah, yeah, I think I remember that coming on later
and I was like, yeah, that makes sense, that makes sense.
Speaker 1 (02:49):
Yeah, sense.
Speaker 2 (02:51):
I will say a lot of I have several friends
who dresses Carmel san Diego for like Halloween and love it.
Speaker 1 (02:58):
A lot of them are queer.
Speaker 2 (03:01):
That doesn't necessarily mean anything, but it is something that
I've noted in pest.
Speaker 3 (03:06):
I just remember that being a thing much later. And
this is again, this was my childhood, so.
Speaker 2 (03:12):
Well, I oh my gosh, this was such a fun one.
And actually I'm gonna call it out later, but there
is a great article you can read about how much
this meant to teachers, especially when it came out in
the eighties. So okay, yes. Carmen san Diego. The character
(03:34):
Carmen san Diego was first introduced in nineteen eighty five
and the first of what would grow to become twenty
two video games and later three TV shows, some of
them Emmy winning multiple board games, books and comics, and
in twenty nineteen, Netflix debuted a new series focused on
Carmen San Diego. There are classroom resources, books, games that
(03:58):
you can use in the class. There's a whole website
carmensan Diego dot com you can look up more about this.
Her story has recently gone through some retconning, so please
feel free to write in if I make mistake. I
would actually love to hear about it. I know one
of our listeners has.
Speaker 1 (04:15):
Written about this. Okay, yeah, love it.
Speaker 2 (04:18):
I love it, yes, okay looking at the game. In
nineteen eighty three, game programmer Dane Bigham started work on
what would eventually become the video game Where in the
World Is Carmen San Diego. In these early stages, it
was really just a framework. It was a graphic based
game for kids that was like literally all they knew
(04:40):
what they wanted. Eventually, he and his team settled on
cops and robbers as a theme because they wanted to
differentiate themselves from like a dungeon based game that was
really common at the time. So this would have you
you would have a clear objective instead of like wandering
around to dungeon and maybe not knowing what you're doing.
(05:02):
Bigham's boss came up with the idea to include a
hard copy of the world Almanac and book of facts
with the game.
Speaker 1 (05:10):
This was new, This was like a new thing.
Speaker 2 (05:14):
This edition also spurred on the idea that the game
could add elements of the almanac into it, and this
led to the international bit. But the programmers wanted to
avoid the educational label because those types of games were
not great at the time.
Speaker 1 (05:29):
They weren't cool.
Speaker 2 (05:31):
So they were like, how do we add in this
almanac but not make it too education at least on
the front of it. It doesn't look like that. And
a lot of these games at the time relied on
blocks of text, like a digital version of a choose
your own adventure game, so you like do you go
this way or do you go that way? Which wasn't
(05:53):
always the clearest for kids. So this game added images
to make it more accessible, along with multiple choices of options.
So if you haven't seen it and you're a nerd
like me, I really recommend looking it up. But it's
essentially like a picture of somewhere in a different country,
(06:13):
like in Prague, and it'll say, like you find a clue,
it's a red whatever for whatever, and it gives you
four like multiple choice Like I searched this, so I
talked to this person.
Speaker 1 (06:26):
I do like all these things. I would have loved it.
I tell you I would have ate this up.
Speaker 2 (06:34):
In the game, Carmen san Diego is your main nemesis.
She was the leader of the villain's International League of
Evil or Vile. She and her crew would steal famous
works of art or landmarks. The player who worked for
Interpol and later something else but Interpol. It first, oh
(06:55):
Acme Acme would use the almanac to interpret clues to
figure out where is Carmen san Diego. Basically, plot wise,
the player would investigate thefts around the world fine clues
that would lead them to the criminals next target, until
they caught the criminals, although you could make a mistake
(07:17):
and then you would have to backtrack and you would
lose time, so there's a time element as well. As
the player catches her henchman Carmen. Though she ducks, she alludes.
Her wit and ability to evade capture made her something
of an anti hero to girls and Latina folks at
the time, and in the writing process she went from
(07:39):
a minor character to the mastermind. Her character was portrayed
as a thief with a heart or a thief who
wanted a challenge, but wouldn't hurt anyone. She's more of
a prankster than a criminal, and that was a deliberate
choice that they made. And you know, I love this.
Her henchman had pun names like kin hardly read and
(08:02):
polyester fabric. There I almost just read a pole list
and then they're so good.
Speaker 1 (08:19):
It first came out on a floppy disc. Wow, yep, wow.
Speaker 3 (08:25):
I'm pretty sure I've played that.
Speaker 2 (08:28):
It took a minute, but sales really took off in
nineteen eighty six. It was popular and burgeoning school computer labs.
So this is around the time when schools were starting
to get those and here comes this game that you
could use in those computer labs. Within a decade, it
had sold four million copies and it led to so
(08:51):
many other games, some of them very specific, like where
in time is Carmen San Diego? Where in North Dakota
is Karmen San Diego? Now that one is the one
that I mentioned. You can find a really long article
about how it got made. So essentially, teachers in North
Dakota were like, this game is great.
Speaker 1 (09:14):
We love this.
Speaker 2 (09:16):
What if we could make it North Dakota based. They
also loved that it was it wasn't so male and
boy focused. The reward for success wasn't a princess or
anything like that. They love that, and so they kind
of came together. They wrote to the creators, and these
teachers came together, like, we love this, we love using
(09:38):
it in classrooms, we make lesson plans around it. Can
we make this work in North Dakota? And the teachers
pretty much did it, Like they came up with all
this trivia and worked on it and made it happen.
And I believe there was a recent kind of exhibit
of it and students who had played it it came
(10:00):
in or like I remember loving this game. I have
such fond memories of it.
Speaker 1 (10:07):
It's a great article.
Speaker 2 (10:07):
I highly recommend looking it up because it's really fun
to hear how they work together to make it happen.
The live TV show that you mentioned, Samantha on PBS,
ran from nineteen ninety one to nineteen ninety five, and
then yes, in twenty nineteen, the Netflix series came out.
And in this Carmen was born in Buenos Aires, where
(10:28):
she went to study to be a criminal at the
Vile Academy for Criminals. Actually, well, I think this is
a retcon. Recently, it was revealed she was kidnapped. Oh,
and that's why she was at vile Academy for criminals.
But anyway, during her time there, she eventually decided to
become a force for good and now fights against her
old classmates. She is an expert in stealth, an excellent
(10:52):
problem solver, proficient at gadgets, and a pro at disguise.
I would say in the Netflix show, she's more of
a Robin Hood figure, steals from bad people and gives
up to good people. I suppose she has your typical
spy skills, but like really talented. She doesn't know or
doesn't reveal her birth name. She goes by code name
(11:14):
Black Sheep. Her father was assassinated trying to protect her
as a baby, and she was taken to file and
she loses her memories, gets them back.
Speaker 1 (11:23):
That's the whole thing.
Speaker 3 (11:24):
And it is.
Speaker 2 (11:25):
I think it's in season four, so it's been around,
and a lot of the reviews.
Speaker 1 (11:31):
I read of it really enjoyed it. I know I
believe it was.
Speaker 2 (11:33):
Listener Taylor wrote in and said that it was pretty good,
except for like some of the more recent episodes, but
people that do seem to be enjoying it, and I
think like.
Speaker 1 (11:48):
This character has brought a lot of joy.
Speaker 2 (11:51):
I think a lot of people have these fond memories
of playing the game or watching the show or what
have you. But like you would, you would open the
it was really fun reading. One of the creators was like, yeah,
people like being right, So you know, you'd open the
almanac and you'd be like searching what the right answer
(12:14):
is to where is Carmen san Diego. But people were
kind of learning through this when they wanted to be
or not. I think they said the the kids were
more likely to use the almanac, the adults were more
likely to just guess anyway, There's been a lot written
about it. I think it's really fun and really cool.
(12:36):
I'm fascinated by the fact she's had this lasting impact.
But I think people do like a character like that.
She was just fun. She always like managed to escape you.
But she was kind of more of a prankster than
a villain. Yeah, she was a fun She's a really
fun character. And I did find a lot of stories
of kids of all backgrounds and genders having really fond
(12:58):
memories of her, of thinking she represented how powerful leaders
women could be.
Speaker 1 (13:03):
How smart.
Speaker 3 (13:04):
I think.
Speaker 2 (13:05):
Gina Rodriguez has a really good story about this where
she's talking to her nephew and she's I don't know
how it came up, but she was kind of saying, yeah,
you know, women, unfortunately, you often don't have the same
power or like whatever, and her nephew was like, but
put in Karma san Diego. She's the leader, she's the head.
(13:26):
She's like just like believing. Well, but here I see
and I believe in the In the show the Netflix show,
most of the white male characters that are working with
Interpol are kind of portrayed as like they don't take
Carmen san Diego seriously and that is their doubtful.
Speaker 1 (13:48):
That is their doubtful.
Speaker 3 (13:51):
Oh.
Speaker 1 (13:53):
I had a great time researching this one.
Speaker 3 (13:55):
I love Carmon sand like, I really did. She was
one of those that I remember growing up being like,
this is a really fun game. There's nothing like, there's
nothing concerning, there's nothing problematic about it. And I was like, yeah,
then the kids have been doing the show, and yeah,
I think we've competed for computer time to get to
play this game. I did not look up Almanacs.
Speaker 1 (14:19):
I was just right, you just knew.
Speaker 3 (14:22):
I just knew with what I knew it now hell no.
Speaker 2 (14:27):
Listen, listeners, look it up. But it is fun, Like
I was getting into it just looking at screenshots.
Speaker 1 (14:33):
I said, oh yeah, worries. It really was a whole thing.
Speaker 3 (14:36):
I can't even remember, and I'm not gonna tell you,
like if I remember anything about the game, I just
know I played it, and I just know I loved it.
I remember Peggy Carter's outfit was so reminiscent of common
San Diego. I didn't know if that was on purpose,
m because she is a spy as well, and she
travels the world and she's one of the few women
(14:57):
like do it like so in my head, they could
have been paralleled by obviously not one's Latina and that
there's not so right, but she had brown hair.
Speaker 1 (15:05):
You know, people do things anyway.
Speaker 3 (15:08):
But yeah, it was so significant that that's who I
thought maybe they had modeled. I didn't realize Marble. I
was like, oh dud, that would never but they were
so similar in like the hats and the clothes and
all like huh huh.
Speaker 2 (15:19):
Yeah yeah, And a bunch of people did bring up
like her style was on point.
Speaker 3 (15:25):
Oh yeah, even toodles today at one.
Speaker 2 (15:29):
Point, yes, yeah, and there are people still writing about this.
I found very in depth studies that I was like,
oh wow, okay, studying the music music.
Speaker 3 (15:42):
I'm telling you that I remember it clearly.
Speaker 2 (15:45):
Mm hmm, I do too, And like I said, I
to my knowledge, I didn't even watch it.
Speaker 1 (15:51):
I didn't play the game, but it got to me
even so.
Speaker 2 (15:55):
As But yes, listeners, we would love to hear from
you if you have fond memories of this, or just
memories at all, if you play the game, watch the show.
You can email us at Stephaniemil stuff at i heeartmedia
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Speaker 1 (16:17):
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Speaker 2 (16:18):
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as always to our super producer Christina, executive producer and
our contributor Joey.
Speaker 1 (16:26):
Thank you, and thanks to you for listening.
Speaker 2 (16:29):
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