April 24, 2025 • 18 mins
In our current polarized environment, a lot of us are struggling with how to deal with family and friends we don't agree with, especially with misinformation, disinformation and backsliding.
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Speaker 1 (00:05):
Hey, this is Annie and Samantha.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
I'm welcome to stuff. I never told your prediction by
her radio.
Speaker 3 (00:18):
And welcome to another unhappy hour because this is an
unhappy hour.
Speaker 1 (00:23):
So I apologize for in advance.
Speaker 3 (00:27):
If you are drinking anything or doing any adult partaking
of things, do so responsibly, you know, take care of
yourself and others around you. This is not sponsored currently
by anything that we talk about. I don't think. I
don't actually I say that without knowing what you're drinking
or what you're are partaking in any are you are
you drinking anything?
Speaker 2 (00:48):
I've kind of a hot toddy situation.
Speaker 4 (00:50):
Oh, we don't really say brands.
Speaker 2 (00:53):
That's when we have to be very specific.
Speaker 4 (00:56):
If it is a brand we know is sponsoring us,
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So maybe we're calling out to say we like a
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Speaker 1 (01:09):
I don't know who's listening.
Speaker 3 (01:10):
Maybe someone from marketing of those different brands who knows.
Speaker 1 (01:15):
Yeah, yeah, you know, you know all of those things.
Speaker 3 (01:17):
Anyway, Yes, I am slipping on some bubbly water getting
myself hydrated because I've been feeling a little awf lately,
Like I feel like every morning I've been waking up
with a little bit of a headache that feels like
it's almost like a hangover headache, which is weird because
I'm not drinking. And also like I've been doing like
I drink a lot of water now because I feel
like I'm really dehydrated because I'm coughing constantly now because
(01:40):
I feel like I'm just breathing in dust particles all
the time, like it feels like it's just laying on
my throat and tonsiles and such. So I feel like
I need to be drinking water constantly.
Speaker 1 (01:50):
Stupid pollen. It's raining today, so maybe you'll wash a
little bit of a way. Maybe maybe we're just growing
more things. Who knows, But yes, this.
Speaker 3 (02:00):
Is an unhappy hour because yeah, I'm I'm, I'm I'm
gonna have a moment. So I had another moment in
which I asked myself, how do I deal with this
situation with my family for the next four years foreseeable stuff?
Because I see a like a giant difference, like you
and I talked about this any the other day because
(02:23):
I had an incident which I want to kind of
go into a little bit I think a little bit
later down the road, but with the idea of like, Okay,
we're here, this is not a good place.
Speaker 1 (02:34):
I really had seen such.
Speaker 3 (02:36):
Good changes for a little while, and it was definitely
by what was being influenced, what administration was being talked about,
you know, things that were happening in the country or
whatever whatnot, And it felt like there was there's some
upswing to things where we were having good conversations and
it was making sense and everybody seemed to be okay
(02:56):
for a minute, and then we're now back to here
with the administration really pushing forth a lot of misinformation,
a lot of lies, trying.
Speaker 1 (03:06):
To really prove that they are in the right.
Speaker 3 (03:09):
Like this whole administration feels like just a narcissistic administration
that's saying I can't be wrong, so I'll never admit
I'm wrong. Instead, I'll make up more scenarios to make
you think maybe.
Speaker 1 (03:21):
This is true.
Speaker 3 (03:22):
And it's really disheartening to see because the people that
I consider family, people who I have a lot of
loyalty to, are falling for those lies, are falling for
red pill content, minisphere content without knowing that they are,
and I don't know what to do because I've had
(03:43):
many of almost falling outs with my parents, who I
love and adore and appreciate so much. So like that
level of relationship is there, and when we're not talking
about really heated political ideals or conversations, we're doing great.
They would support me momentarily emotionally. If I needed help
(04:04):
with anything, they would be here. I feel the same
way about them, like this is the same thing. And
they've gone through a lot of health crisis and they
are getting older, which is a whole different conversation in itself,
because aging is a in that it's inevitable and it's
hard not to notice, and when it comes upon you
rapidly with things like sicknesses and different things that could
(04:27):
affect you at a young age, and it still would
cause a lot of complications and fears. Seeing that in
my parents today is really scary. But with that, I'm
also trying to balance and maintain my peace. Our family
is not a family that we can and we don't typically.
Speaker 1 (04:45):
Talk about politics to each other.
Speaker 3 (04:47):
Because they know I'm very different, they know my opinions
are very different. Again, we have had a few crash
outs in our conversations to the point that I'm like,
I don't think I can go home for a year.
Speaker 1 (05:00):
And I'm getting there again.
Speaker 3 (05:01):
I'm getting there again because this conversation that we had
in which one of my Famite members just out of
the blue decided they wanted to use their religious ideals
to put a very archaic and really sexist ideal about
women existing for men only. And I was just like,
what the hell is happening because it came out of nowhere.
It came out of nowhere, There was no reason to
(05:22):
even bring it up, but you could tell it's in
bubbling in their minds, and I feel like, this is
only more things to come. And when they sent me
their evidence quote unquote, and I say this in quotes
because it was just like, here, watch this video and
you'll understand what I'm saying. And as I look through
the rest of the video, they have people prominent from
the right winged white supremacist circle being featured in those
(05:44):
videos that I was like, Okay, this absolutely actually verified
my suspicions about where you're getting this content, and again like,
we can't this is not one of those that I
can change their minds. This is not one of those
where we can have a peaceful conversations. I feel like
you know, as much as we've all talked about being
good examples and really talking to our families, you also
(06:06):
have to read the room and understand what's going to
destroy things. So it's a pick and choose of where
do you want to go with this? Do you want
to go where you cannot communicate any longer? Because I
will tell you about hell am. I ten years ago,
I did have a conversation with my mother and my parent,
(06:28):
my father about this is where I am in life.
It's turned very different. They cried, They're very upset, they're
very disappointed in me because I said, religion is not
my thing anymore, like going teenager, it's not a thing.
But like that, I really had done some searching and
understanding and this is not making sense to me anymore.
And I can't do this. And I want you to
(06:48):
know where I'm coming from because I don't want you
to be confused, and I don't want to lie to
you about these things. Oh, it was not a good conversation.
We've had it back and forth. We've had many a
back and forth since then. We've had many back and
forth about the queer community, because you know, we have
some queer family members and they are very unhappy to
hear about this again. They were very scared that I
was a queer person as well, and we had to
(07:10):
have that conversation. Was like, why is that a big deal?
I need you to calm down. I did do some controlling,
which is probably not the best tactic, but whatever. So
I've had these moments and now, like you know, twenty
years later, it's still ask when in circles and it's
gotten worse again. Trump has really done a number in
people's mindsets. And I don't think it's so hard to
(07:31):
see in boomers, especially religious boomers, especially religious boomers, that
religion is based off of feeling rather than understanding and education.
Speaker 1 (07:50):
So I try to find some things.
Speaker 3 (07:53):
I was like, please help me boogle anybody, somebody tell
me what to do. I did find this from very
wellmind dot com. It says, if you have a love
one who says or does racist things, unfortunately, chances are
high that they've always held these beliefs. That means that
it isn't probable that you will change their minds. Suddenly
know this and be clear about it before you approach them.
I think that's the best thing. Like out of all
(08:14):
the things, they gave you a one to one through
ten step process. I was like, I've been there, I've
done that. This is not working, this is not working.
And this again the faltering is back to where a
Project twenty twenty five where the White Supremacess has really
done a number. Read the Minisphere and Red Pill have
really done a number in coming back, coming back full
(08:34):
circle to this ideal of morality and wholesome family, which
was a lie to begin with.
Speaker 1 (08:40):
It was a lie.
Speaker 3 (08:41):
People were miserable, women were miserable, women were dying, women
are still dying. Like it's just a constant, and I
think for me it's right now trying to find a
balance on what to do because again, my parents' health
is declining. They're not they're not bad, they're they're better
off than most. Let me say that this way. But
my parents did have a baby health scare with like
(09:03):
a pretty giant diagnosis, and I was like, oh my god,
what are we gonna do. Lost a lot of aunts
and uncles throughout the last five years, like really really
tragic stuff that I really am trying to get a
grasp on this because I don't want to have regrets.
I will feel guilty if things were to come and
any you made a really great point when we were
talking about this. You're like, it doesn't matter no matter what,
(09:26):
even if you do have a good relationship and everything's
patched up, that death is gonna have a lot of
hurt and.
Speaker 1 (09:33):
Regret no matter what.
Speaker 3 (09:34):
And I'm like, yeah, you're right, You're right, so either way,
and then I want, yeah, either way, it sucks.
Speaker 1 (09:41):
And but like in the on the top of that is.
Speaker 3 (09:42):
Like the guilt that I will hold and feeling like
I didn't try my best or I didn't care about
them as much because I didn't agree with them. Not
that that's the case, but it is this balance also
not seeing them often. But I'm all like having that
interaction really like only kind of solidified my reasoning, Like
(10:05):
this is I cannot have this because this is gonna
make our relationship worse. Like there's nothing for me to
say here, because not only is ingrained in this level
of victimization, it's ingrained in religion, which you cannot fight
against feeling and faith like literally being told if you
believe this way, you're not doing godly ways, or that
you're you don't have faith, like that's the basis of
(10:28):
the whole thing, and there's nothing really to do that.
And I chose not to go home for East Europe
because I did have family over and and the fact
that like it was just too much I did not
I could not stand in front of them holding hands
praying about how God had forgiven them after Jesus rose
from the dead to forgive them of their sins, and
then as the next breath talking about how they were
(10:50):
glad people are being sold to El Savador and getting
out of here and not getting their jobs, and when
none of these people, like a very minute number of
people are actually quote unquote criminals, which by the way,
way again may have every basis on just being the
fact they are here in the US making them criminals,
which is really really extreme ideal to send them to
an encampment out of the country where they have no
(11:11):
rights to being enslaved into a work camp. Also for
the fact that there's no actual like due process. Again,
all those things goes over their head. And I know this,
but that level of hypocrisy I cannot stomach. I cannot
stomach that level. So I'm trying to really figure out
(11:31):
what to do. What am I to do for the
next four years with this rhetoric only getting worse and
watching that it for my point to be proven right.
But he is not a good person and he is
not here for the betterment of people. Is for them
to go through and suffer the consequences. A mean all
of us will, but even more so as an older
(11:53):
person that is based on the benefits of the country
that was in place at one point in time.
Speaker 1 (11:59):
It's kind of still in place.
Speaker 3 (12:00):
The fact that we're about to lose all kinds of
any kind of guidelines and rules and or like overseeing
of I don't know, chemicals and products and all of that.
Like I'm hearing things about milk, and I'm like, well,
what the hell am I going to do about that?
You know, like all these things for me to prove
my point, which I don't want him, is to have
the find out portion of people have been saying happen, And.
Speaker 1 (12:23):
That feels even worse.
Speaker 3 (12:26):
I don't want to see people suffer, no matter how
ignorant they are. That hurts me too, you know. And
we're still a part of the find out situation. Do like,
it's not like we're benefitting anything from this at all.
I hell no, hell no. So it's just it's just
a lot of conversations through my head and like with
(12:48):
my partner, who he's been amazing and trying to help decipher,
and I think they like they love and respect him,
like he's come in pretty heavy swinging and being like
this doesn't make sense, your rationale doesn't make sense.
Speaker 1 (13:02):
You need to think about it this way.
Speaker 3 (13:03):
And they've been like, oh yeah, okay, but I feel
like those days are gone because they are so infiltrated
by this new administration that once upon a time where
the people they would once say, you know, maybe it's
not so much they you know, they just want to
love people.
Speaker 1 (13:17):
Okay.
Speaker 3 (13:17):
I get it to know that they're pushing it in
our faces, in which I'm like, so you're watching news
that keep telling you about these people, which they don't
have to. If they just left them alone, you wouldn't
hear about it. You wouldn't know anything about it, and
it would be fine. I don't understand how this is
other people's agenda to push it on you. No one
(13:40):
wants you to be gay.
Speaker 1 (13:41):
They'll be gay. Stay with you people. We want you
to stay in your corner too.
Speaker 2 (13:45):
Likes.
Speaker 1 (13:45):
It's not a thing.
Speaker 3 (13:48):
Anyway, it's just it's knowing that we are regressing to
this point. I was having this conversation with another woman
when I was She was like, I cannot believe we're
going backwards. I'm like, We're not going backwards. This is
this is a cycle and we've seen it. Unfortunately, this
cycle has made it all the way to the one
eighty of the nineteen fifties. Like we are all at
(14:09):
the opposite point of where we were before.
Speaker 1 (14:11):
It feels like.
Speaker 3 (14:13):
As the Supreme Court is listening to some of the
anti trans rhetoric and have made a lot of really dangerous,
dangerous footnotes to what's happening in that conversation. But if
Trump doesn't have to listen to the Supreme Court, why
do we He's already proven that he's not. He's going
(14:36):
He's not going to so them people's I'm just kidding.
But yeah, Like, there's a lot of dangerous rhetoric happening,
and I don't know what to do at this point,
other than not that I would want this. The thing
that saved us from the first Trump administration was literally
(14:58):
the pandemic, and I did not have to see my
family for three years, you know what I mean for
two to three years because everybody was sick and we
didn't know what this was and everybody was being cautious.
I was very glad. I hated that moment. Don't get
me wrong, I don't want another one of those. That's
not what I'm saying. But what I'm saying is like,
(15:18):
that's the difference now is that I can't not face them.
It feels like without feeling guilty for not spending time
with them, and if something goes down, all those things,
it's a lot. I am not happy. Maybe this is
a part of my headache.
Speaker 1 (15:38):
Could be And.
Speaker 3 (15:40):
I know, and I know I don't I'm not the
only one.
Speaker 1 (15:43):
I know. I'm not the only one. I know.
Speaker 3 (15:45):
A lot of people have gone to the point that
I like, no, I have to have no contact, I
have to like not see them.
Speaker 1 (15:50):
This is this is breaking me. And I understand that.
Speaker 3 (15:53):
I understand that I'm hoping to hear more stories as
we had talked about in the previous happy hour of
like good news of people coming round yeah, to be
like oh no, this is bad it's just that's just
not my family yet.
Speaker 1 (16:08):
If ever, that would be nice. It would be nice,
That would be nice.
Speaker 2 (16:13):
I mean, we're still kind of screwed, but that would
be nice.
Speaker 1 (16:17):
Right right.
Speaker 3 (16:17):
I mean, what is in places in place in the
larger scale, but for my minute family, intimate circle, it
would be absolutely to be able to kind of bond
with them, to be like, Okay, see this is not
this is not the way to go.
Speaker 1 (16:33):
Mm hmmm.
Speaker 2 (16:33):
I did have a friend that happened for and.
Speaker 4 (16:35):
It's very nice for her, and I'm very happy about it.
Speaker 1 (16:39):
So hopefully I love that. I love that for her.
I wish it was me.
Speaker 3 (16:43):
I will say again, my partner's family has been kind
of a breath of fresh air because they aren't and
we are more on the same page, and so being
there and having moments with them and being kind of
envious that it's not my family, but having people that
I can count on us family as well. Doing this
(17:04):
it does feel like, you know, a nice pause to
what feels like an innertartarm oil when it comes to
my finding my identity and family.
Speaker 1 (17:15):
Mm hmm.
Speaker 3 (17:18):
Yeah. Anyway, I'm sorry, y'all. I hope is better for y'all.
If you do have the good stories, send them with me, yes.
Or if you have suggestions about how I should.
Speaker 1 (17:29):
Deal with my family, please let me know.
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Speaker 2 (00:06):
I'm welcome to stuff. I never told your prediction by
her radio.
Speaker 3 (00:18):
And welcome to another unhappy hour because this is an
unhappy hour.
Speaker 1 (00:23):
So I apologize for in advance.
Speaker 3 (00:27):
If you are drinking anything or doing any adult partaking
of things, do so responsibly, you know, take care of
yourself and others around you. This is not sponsored currently
by anything that we talk about. I don't think. I
don't actually I say that without knowing what you're drinking
or what you're are partaking in any are you are
you drinking anything?
Speaker 2 (00:48):
I've kind of a hot toddy situation.
Speaker 4 (00:50):
Oh, we don't really say brands.
Speaker 2 (00:53):
That's when we have to be very specific.
Speaker 4 (00:56):
If it is a brand we know is sponsoring us,
then we have to or else that we'll be fined.
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So maybe we're calling out to say we like a
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I don't know who's listening.
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Maybe someone from marketing of those different brands who knows.
Speaker 1 (01:15):
Yeah, yeah, you know, you know all of those things.
Speaker 3 (01:17):
Anyway, Yes, I am slipping on some bubbly water getting
myself hydrated because I've been feeling a little awf lately,
Like I feel like every morning I've been waking up
with a little bit of a headache that feels like
it's almost like a hangover headache, which is weird because
I'm not drinking. And also like I've been doing like
I drink a lot of water now because I feel
like I'm really dehydrated because I'm coughing constantly now because
(01:40):
I feel like I'm just breathing in dust particles all
the time, like it feels like it's just laying on
my throat and tonsiles and such. So I feel like
I need to be drinking water constantly.
Speaker 1 (01:50):
Stupid pollen. It's raining today, so maybe you'll wash a
little bit of a way. Maybe maybe we're just growing
more things. Who knows, But yes, this.
Speaker 3 (02:00):
Is an unhappy hour because yeah, I'm I'm, I'm I'm
gonna have a moment. So I had another moment in
which I asked myself, how do I deal with this
situation with my family for the next four years foreseeable stuff?
Because I see a like a giant difference, like you
and I talked about this any the other day because
(02:23):
I had an incident which I want to kind of
go into a little bit I think a little bit
later down the road, but with the idea of like, Okay,
we're here, this is not a good place.
Speaker 1 (02:34):
I really had seen such.
Speaker 3 (02:36):
Good changes for a little while, and it was definitely
by what was being influenced, what administration was being talked about,
you know, things that were happening in the country or
whatever whatnot, And it felt like there was there's some
upswing to things where we were having good conversations and
it was making sense and everybody seemed to be okay
(02:56):
for a minute, and then we're now back to here
with the administration really pushing forth a lot of misinformation,
a lot of lies, trying.
Speaker 1 (03:06):
To really prove that they are in the right.
Speaker 3 (03:09):
Like this whole administration feels like just a narcissistic administration
that's saying I can't be wrong, so I'll never admit
I'm wrong. Instead, I'll make up more scenarios to make
you think maybe.
Speaker 1 (03:21):
This is true.
Speaker 3 (03:22):
And it's really disheartening to see because the people that
I consider family, people who I have a lot of
loyalty to, are falling for those lies, are falling for
red pill content, minisphere content without knowing that they are,
and I don't know what to do because I've had
(03:43):
many of almost falling outs with my parents, who I
love and adore and appreciate so much. So like that
level of relationship is there, and when we're not talking
about really heated political ideals or conversations, we're doing great.
They would support me momentarily emotionally. If I needed help
(04:04):
with anything, they would be here. I feel the same
way about them, like this is the same thing. And
they've gone through a lot of health crisis and they
are getting older, which is a whole different conversation in itself,
because aging is a in that it's inevitable and it's
hard not to notice, and when it comes upon you
rapidly with things like sicknesses and different things that could
(04:27):
affect you at a young age, and it still would
cause a lot of complications and fears. Seeing that in
my parents today is really scary. But with that, I'm
also trying to balance and maintain my peace. Our family
is not a family that we can and we don't typically.
Speaker 1 (04:45):
Talk about politics to each other.
Speaker 3 (04:47):
Because they know I'm very different, they know my opinions
are very different. Again, we have had a few crash
outs in our conversations to the point that I'm like,
I don't think I can go home for a year.
Speaker 1 (05:00):
And I'm getting there again.
Speaker 3 (05:01):
I'm getting there again because this conversation that we had
in which one of my Famite members just out of
the blue decided they wanted to use their religious ideals
to put a very archaic and really sexist ideal about
women existing for men only. And I was just like,
what the hell is happening because it came out of nowhere.
It came out of nowhere, There was no reason to
(05:22):
even bring it up, but you could tell it's in
bubbling in their minds, and I feel like, this is
only more things to come. And when they sent me
their evidence quote unquote, and I say this in quotes
because it was just like, here, watch this video and
you'll understand what I'm saying. And as I look through
the rest of the video, they have people prominent from
the right winged white supremacist circle being featured in those
(05:44):
videos that I was like, Okay, this absolutely actually verified
my suspicions about where you're getting this content, and again like,
we can't this is not one of those that I
can change their minds. This is not one of those
where we can have a peaceful conversations. I feel like
you know, as much as we've all talked about being
good examples and really talking to our families, you also
(06:06):
have to read the room and understand what's going to
destroy things. So it's a pick and choose of where
do you want to go with this? Do you want
to go where you cannot communicate any longer? Because I
will tell you about hell am. I ten years ago,
I did have a conversation with my mother and my parent,
(06:28):
my father about this is where I am in life.
It's turned very different. They cried, They're very upset, they're
very disappointed in me because I said, religion is not
my thing anymore, like going teenager, it's not a thing.
But like that, I really had done some searching and
understanding and this is not making sense to me anymore.
And I can't do this. And I want you to
(06:48):
know where I'm coming from because I don't want you
to be confused, and I don't want to lie to
you about these things. Oh, it was not a good conversation.
We've had it back and forth. We've had many a
back and forth since then. We've had many back and
forth about the queer community, because you know, we have
some queer family members and they are very unhappy to
hear about this again. They were very scared that I
was a queer person as well, and we had to
(07:10):
have that conversation. Was like, why is that a big deal?
I need you to calm down. I did do some controlling,
which is probably not the best tactic, but whatever. So
I've had these moments and now, like you know, twenty
years later, it's still ask when in circles and it's
gotten worse again. Trump has really done a number in
people's mindsets. And I don't think it's so hard to
(07:31):
see in boomers, especially religious boomers, especially religious boomers, that
religion is based off of feeling rather than understanding and education.
Speaker 1 (07:50):
So I try to find some things.
Speaker 3 (07:53):
I was like, please help me boogle anybody, somebody tell
me what to do. I did find this from very
wellmind dot com. It says, if you have a love
one who says or does racist things, unfortunately, chances are
high that they've always held these beliefs. That means that
it isn't probable that you will change their minds. Suddenly
know this and be clear about it before you approach them.
I think that's the best thing. Like out of all
(08:14):
the things, they gave you a one to one through
ten step process. I was like, I've been there, I've
done that. This is not working, this is not working.
And this again the faltering is back to where a
Project twenty twenty five where the White Supremacess has really
done a number. Read the Minisphere and Red Pill have
really done a number in coming back, coming back full
(08:34):
circle to this ideal of morality and wholesome family, which
was a lie to begin with.
Speaker 1 (08:40):
It was a lie.
Speaker 3 (08:41):
People were miserable, women were miserable, women were dying, women
are still dying. Like it's just a constant, and I
think for me it's right now trying to find a
balance on what to do because again, my parents' health
is declining. They're not they're not bad, they're they're better
off than most. Let me say that this way. But
my parents did have a baby health scare with like
(09:03):
a pretty giant diagnosis, and I was like, oh my god,
what are we gonna do. Lost a lot of aunts
and uncles throughout the last five years, like really really
tragic stuff that I really am trying to get a
grasp on this because I don't want to have regrets.
I will feel guilty if things were to come and
any you made a really great point when we were
talking about this. You're like, it doesn't matter no matter what,
(09:26):
even if you do have a good relationship and everything's
patched up, that death is gonna have a lot of
hurt and.
Speaker 1 (09:33):
Regret no matter what.
Speaker 3 (09:34):
And I'm like, yeah, you're right, You're right, so either way,
and then I want, yeah, either way, it sucks.
Speaker 1 (09:41):
And but like in the on the top of that is.
Speaker 3 (09:42):
Like the guilt that I will hold and feeling like
I didn't try my best or I didn't care about
them as much because I didn't agree with them. Not
that that's the case, but it is this balance also
not seeing them often. But I'm all like having that
interaction really like only kind of solidified my reasoning, Like
(10:05):
this is I cannot have this because this is gonna
make our relationship worse. Like there's nothing for me to
say here, because not only is ingrained in this level
of victimization, it's ingrained in religion, which you cannot fight
against feeling and faith like literally being told if you
believe this way, you're not doing godly ways, or that
you're you don't have faith, like that's the basis of
(10:28):
the whole thing, and there's nothing really to do that.
And I chose not to go home for East Europe
because I did have family over and and the fact
that like it was just too much I did not
I could not stand in front of them holding hands
praying about how God had forgiven them after Jesus rose
from the dead to forgive them of their sins, and
then as the next breath talking about how they were
(10:50):
glad people are being sold to El Savador and getting
out of here and not getting their jobs, and when
none of these people, like a very minute number of
people are actually quote unquote criminals, which by the way,
way again may have every basis on just being the
fact they are here in the US making them criminals,
which is really really extreme ideal to send them to
an encampment out of the country where they have no
(11:11):
rights to being enslaved into a work camp. Also for
the fact that there's no actual like due process. Again,
all those things goes over their head. And I know this,
but that level of hypocrisy I cannot stomach. I cannot
stomach that level. So I'm trying to really figure out
(11:31):
what to do. What am I to do for the
next four years with this rhetoric only getting worse and
watching that it for my point to be proven right.
But he is not a good person and he is
not here for the betterment of people. Is for them
to go through and suffer the consequences. A mean all
of us will, but even more so as an older
(11:53):
person that is based on the benefits of the country
that was in place at one point in time.
Speaker 1 (11:59):
It's kind of still in place.
Speaker 3 (12:00):
The fact that we're about to lose all kinds of
any kind of guidelines and rules and or like overseeing
of I don't know, chemicals and products and all of that.
Like I'm hearing things about milk, and I'm like, well,
what the hell am I going to do about that?
You know, like all these things for me to prove
my point, which I don't want him, is to have
the find out portion of people have been saying happen, And.
Speaker 1 (12:23):
That feels even worse.
Speaker 3 (12:26):
I don't want to see people suffer, no matter how
ignorant they are. That hurts me too, you know. And
we're still a part of the find out situation. Do like,
it's not like we're benefitting anything from this at all.
I hell no, hell no. So it's just it's just
a lot of conversations through my head and like with
(12:48):
my partner, who he's been amazing and trying to help decipher,
and I think they like they love and respect him,
like he's come in pretty heavy swinging and being like
this doesn't make sense, your rationale doesn't make sense.
Speaker 1 (13:02):
You need to think about it this way.
Speaker 3 (13:03):
And they've been like, oh yeah, okay, but I feel
like those days are gone because they are so infiltrated
by this new administration that once upon a time where
the people they would once say, you know, maybe it's
not so much they you know, they just want to
love people.
Speaker 1 (13:17):
Okay.
Speaker 3 (13:17):
I get it to know that they're pushing it in
our faces, in which I'm like, so you're watching news
that keep telling you about these people, which they don't
have to. If they just left them alone, you wouldn't
hear about it. You wouldn't know anything about it, and
it would be fine. I don't understand how this is
other people's agenda to push it on you. No one
(13:40):
wants you to be gay.
Speaker 1 (13:41):
They'll be gay. Stay with you people. We want you
to stay in your corner too.
Speaker 2 (13:45):
Likes.
Speaker 1 (13:45):
It's not a thing.
Speaker 3 (13:48):
Anyway, it's just it's knowing that we are regressing to
this point. I was having this conversation with another woman
when I was She was like, I cannot believe we're
going backwards. I'm like, We're not going backwards. This is
this is a cycle and we've seen it. Unfortunately, this
cycle has made it all the way to the one
eighty of the nineteen fifties. Like we are all at
(14:09):
the opposite point of where we were before.
Speaker 1 (14:11):
It feels like.
Speaker 3 (14:13):
As the Supreme Court is listening to some of the
anti trans rhetoric and have made a lot of really dangerous,
dangerous footnotes to what's happening in that conversation. But if
Trump doesn't have to listen to the Supreme Court, why
do we He's already proven that he's not. He's going
(14:36):
He's not going to so them people's I'm just kidding.
But yeah, Like, there's a lot of dangerous rhetoric happening,
and I don't know what to do at this point,
other than not that I would want this. The thing
that saved us from the first Trump administration was literally
(14:58):
the pandemic, and I did not have to see my
family for three years, you know what I mean for
two to three years because everybody was sick and we
didn't know what this was and everybody was being cautious.
I was very glad. I hated that moment. Don't get
me wrong, I don't want another one of those. That's
not what I'm saying. But what I'm saying is like,
(15:18):
that's the difference now is that I can't not face them.
It feels like without feeling guilty for not spending time
with them, and if something goes down, all those things,
it's a lot. I am not happy. Maybe this is
a part of my headache.
Speaker 1 (15:38):
Could be And.
Speaker 3 (15:40):
I know, and I know I don't I'm not the
only one.
Speaker 1 (15:43):
I know. I'm not the only one. I know.
Speaker 3 (15:45):
A lot of people have gone to the point that
I like, no, I have to have no contact, I
have to like not see them.
Speaker 1 (15:50):
This is this is breaking me. And I understand that.
Speaker 3 (15:53):
I understand that I'm hoping to hear more stories as
we had talked about in the previous happy hour of
like good news of people coming round yeah, to be
like oh no, this is bad it's just that's just
not my family yet.
Speaker 1 (16:08):
If ever, that would be nice. It would be nice,
That would be nice.
Speaker 2 (16:13):
I mean, we're still kind of screwed, but that would
be nice.
Speaker 1 (16:17):
Right right.
Speaker 3 (16:17):
I mean, what is in places in place in the
larger scale, but for my minute family, intimate circle, it
would be absolutely to be able to kind of bond
with them, to be like, Okay, see this is not
this is not the way to go.
Speaker 1 (16:33):
Mm hmmm.
Speaker 2 (16:33):
I did have a friend that happened for and.
Speaker 4 (16:35):
It's very nice for her, and I'm very happy about it.
Speaker 1 (16:39):
So hopefully I love that. I love that for her.
I wish it was me.
Speaker 3 (16:43):
I will say again, my partner's family has been kind
of a breath of fresh air because they aren't and
we are more on the same page, and so being
there and having moments with them and being kind of
envious that it's not my family, but having people that
I can count on us family as well. Doing this
(17:04):
it does feel like, you know, a nice pause to
what feels like an innertartarm oil when it comes to
my finding my identity and family.
Speaker 1 (17:15):
Mm hmm.
Speaker 3 (17:18):
Yeah. Anyway, I'm sorry, y'all. I hope is better for y'all.
If you do have the good stories, send them with me, yes.
Or if you have suggestions about how I should.
Speaker 1 (17:29):
Deal with my family, please let me know.
Speaker 4 (17:32):
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My and.
Speaker 2 (17:52):
Our Contrbutter Joey.
Speaker 1 (17:53):
Thank you.
Speaker 2 (17:54):
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