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From how stup works dot com. Hello, and welcome to
the podcast. I'm Kristen and I'm Caroline, and I would
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want like to welcome our listeners at this time to
the two part Mom's Stuff explanation of masturbation. And by
explanation I mean more of a statistical outlook on who
does it, how, everyone, all the time, and whether or
not it affects people's sex lives, because that's a big
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question that is um that's come up from listeners and
just from you know, conversations with friends as we get
older and people are in relationships and are sexually active
things like that. Yeah. Um. There was a twenty ten
National Survey of Sexual Health and Behavior study to kick
this off with numbers um percent of men and eighty
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four percent of women between the ages of twenty five
and twenty nine reported a masturbating solo. Yeah. And masturbating
solo is a term that comes up a lot because
researchers do differentiate between masturbating on one's own and masturbating
in more of a couple situation, right, But don't think
that this is just a young person's game. Um. In
the over seventy set, eighty percent of men and fifty
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eight percent of women reported solo masturbation. Yeah. And then
on the other end of the age spectrum, more than
half of women between eighteen and forty nine reported masturbating
during the previous ninety days, and their rates were highest
among those twenty five to twenty nine, and then started
to dip down a little bit as women got older.
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And back to that over seventy set, solo masturbation was
reported by more than half who were in non cohabitating relationships,
compared with twelve point two percent of the married ladies.
So you know what that means Our grandparents probably masturbated
or might be. Right now, I'm just saying, I'm just
gonna keep staring at you blankly. No, but I think
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you know, UH good to point out that, you know,
even among the elder population, still going on. And this
is not a revelation that American adults are masturbating and
masturbating on a regular basis. UH. From the nineteen fifty
three studies from UH from Mackenzie Institute of Men, and
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sixty of women reported that yes, indeed, they had masturbated.
I should point out that in those two studies it
was focused almost exclusively on white middle class Americans. But nevertheless,
majority of folks even back then, we're, um, we're masturbating solo. Yeah.
Not a lot of these studies really appeared to break
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anything down by race, ethnicity, social class, and a lot
of them were just really men versus women, old versus
young and speaking of young. For what might be the
most awkward revelation of this podcast, this chapter in our
in our two part masturbation series, is that, in fact,
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and this is coming from uh Columbia University's awesome sexual
health site, Go ask Alice. She points out that infants
in children, um, while they are not doing it for
erotic pleasure, do self stimulate, right, just because it feels good. Yeah,
it feels good like playing with your hair or yes. Um.
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And Freud, you know, he has something to say about everything,
of course. And Freud saw no problem with um childhood
self play because he said that it's a practice for
adult sexual encounters, so they're just kind of learning learning
the ropes. It seems like Freud had a bigger problem
with the psychoanalysis of fantasies and masturbation in adulthood. Yeah,
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he basically said that you're a failure if you masturbate
as an adult because you didn't adjust. You didn't Basically,
masturbation as a phase that kids go through. It's just
they experienced stuff and move on with their lives and
grow up. But those of you, those of you who
didn't get out of that phase, just your failure. This
is according to Freud. According to Freud, yeah, we're gonna
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bust that myth. Yeah we are pretty soon. But first
working up from infant and childhood, we get into adolescence.
And that two thousand and ten National Survey of Sexual
Health and Behavior that Caroline mentioned was provides some of
the most illuminating data actually on the masturbation habits of
American adolescence. And here we go. Here's some statistics. Half
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of boys interviewed said they masturbated at least twice a week,
but only twenty three percent of girls reported the same frequency.
Um sixt of younger boys reported masturbating at least once,
and then that number jumps up to among seventeen year olds.
And with this data, as you can already kind of
start to see we have the gender difference in at
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least reported rates of masturbation. It might be that, you know,
girls might be shy or about self reporting. Um. We've
seen in certain instances if it's face to face interviews,
you know, them asking you, Like, if I were to
sit here and start asking you direct questions face to face, Caroline,
you might be a little more hesitant to spill the beans.
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Then if you are filling out a survey, you mentioned
the percent of younger boys who masturbate jumping once they
hit you know, the late teen area, and it's the
same for for girls. That percentage rose with age from
to fifty eight percent. And Cynthia Robbins, who is from
Indiana University, Indianapolis, uh, stress you're an article and she
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stressed the importance of communicating with teens about masturbation because
it's actually you know, and you know, it's the major
way in which they express themselves sexually. More of them
are masturbating than are having sex. Yeah, And in a
lot of these um like sexual health studies that we found,
especially focusing on the masturbation habits of teen girls and
even girls in their um late teens in early twenties.
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It's something that sexual health educators stress is something that's
so important because a lot of times, like girls are
socialized to think of masturbation as a thing that only
boys do, or that it's gross or dirty, or that yeah,
or that your genitals are gross or dirty, just sort
of somehow ingrained studies have shown that that women who
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masturbate have a better outlook on a healthier outlook on
their own body image, are better able to um or
typically report higher rates of sexual satisfaction because they simply
know their bodies better, They know what turns them on
and things like that. UM And if it can be
worked in to comprehensive sex education, a lot of these
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UM health researchers think that it could be a really
good thing. Um And for instance, so teens who masturbate
seem to be more likely to have sex with a partner,
but at the same time, they're more likely to practice
safe sex. Yeah, maybe it's just that they're they're more
familiar with their own bodies. And I can understand how
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this correlation between UH team masturbation and teen sex could
could be a giant red flag for a lot of people.
But it seems like it goes hand in hand with
safer sex practices as well. And moving on from teens,
we really seem to hit our masturbation strip in adulthood.
You know, we've talked about some of the percentages and
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adults ages eighteen to fifty nine are more likely to
masturbate than adolescents. And British evolutionary biologist Robin Baker and
Mark Bellis actually found that male university students masturbate every
seventy two hours. Jesse Bearing from Scientific American explains such
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frequent masturbation um as a way to sort of a
I guess, empty out old sperm, to put it. To
put it lightly, because you would think from an evolutionary perspective,
you would think that guys would go as long as
possible without masturbating before they have intercourse. Tore up all
those little soldiers exactly. But those older those little soldiers
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don't really have that long of a shelf life. They
only sperm only lasts about five to seven days after production.
And seems that men produce three million every day. You've
got to clear the shelves. Yeah, masturbation. Bearing at least
asserts that masturbation frequent masturbation is the way that men
keep the keep the production lines going right. And Baker
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and Bellis sort of brought up the question of do
women's bodies seek out newer sperm, you were stronger sperm,
And they did a study of postcoital bodily fluids and
found that when a man had not ejaculated for a
couple of days, more of his sperm was rejected by
the woman's body. And since we are talking about about
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intercourse and masturbation, why don't we talk about the relationship,
like because you might think there's this social idea that
people only masturbate because they are lonely and they have
no other outlet. And if you are masturbating, especially if
you're a woman, if you're masturbating while you have are
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in a relationship and have sex available to you, something
is dreadfully wrong, right, But that's not the case. These
studies found that people in relationships, whether you're married or
dating or whatever, actually masturbate more often. And it seems
to go along with the more sexual fantasies you have,
the more sex you have, the more you masturbate. And
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some people call it just a compulsion. Some people say that, um,
the more you have it, the more you want it. Yeah,
And there was I think it was from Psychology Today. Uh.
One guy was breaking down a study on adult masturbation
habits and was saying that if you're in a relationship
that is sex less a lot of times, you won't
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be masturbating at all either. It seems like there's a
positive correlation between having sex in a relationship and solo
masturbation and then the negative relationship. If one goes down,
so does the other. Um. But here is one one
instance when um, women's rates of masturbation will go down
is if we are in poorer health. Whereas with men,
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a keep on masturbating even when they're sick, right through
a cold. I wonder if that applies to they didn't specify.
I wonder if that applies to just like I have
the flu or if it's you know, some life threatening illness.
They're running like a hundred and four degree fever. Yeah,
they're just delirious, having all sorts of weird fantasy. But
this Michael Castleman, the guy who wrote for Psychology Today,
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he actually linked masturbation with increased education, greater frequency of
sexual thoughts, sexual experimentation before puberty and larger numbers of
lifetime sexual partners. And I mean because of all that, like,
there's I can see both sides of the coin where
all of those that collection of correlations could really freak
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some people out who might see masturbation as this sort
of gateway to just getaway, gateway to unbridled sexual behavior.
But at the same time, again from a sexual health perspective,
a lot of educators see it as a positive thing
and reiterate over and over again, people don't worry. There
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is no such thing as too much masturbation or abnormal
masturbation unless it's unless it's disordered and attached to you,
unless you never leave your house and end up hurting yourself. Right. Um,
And that gets into more of conversations about sex addiction
and porn addiction and things like that. But in terms
of just masturbating and using vibrators all of that, that's no.
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We we did not find a single person who said, well,
if you're doing it more than X times a day
or week or months, then you better watch out, right.
But I think that the statistics do point out very
clearly though, that there is there is a gender gap. Yeah,
and it's either in just reporting or actual behavior masturbation behavior.
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Right now, my own research that I have done talking
to friends of mine, it does seem like the guys
I talked to are much more focused on that activity
than the ladies. So yeah, for whatever reason, Well, again,
like you mentioned earlier, Caroline, and a lot of different cultures,
women have been led to believe that that vaginas are
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are not to be touched. Yeah, because you know, we
we have the stereotypes. As you know, women's sex role
is to be the dependent, submissive one, and so you
might be considered loose and threatening if you're if you're
just taking care of your own business. Right. And one
example of of how that that cultural mindset can shift
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in a positive way, um comes from a study we
found interviewing younger women in China. Because in the nine
there's sexual revolution in China, and as a byproduct of it,
the perception of female masturbation really shifted from one of
repression to embracing it as as an acceptable, normal, healthy
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behavior and also a way to quote make love to
oneself in a way to enhance the quality of sexual
relationships with which is a really positive and and well
rounded view of female masturbation in general, because just since
male masturbation is such a normalized sexual behavior. So I
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guess that's I mean, that's masturbation by the numbers. It
is there any numbers? Oh, there are, there's one set
of numbers. I haven't dropped. What's that? All right? We
said everybody masturbates, not everybody, No, it's true or not
everybody from this is from study, So I just should
have pulled the numbers from the two thousand and ten survey.
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But I have a feeling it's probably the same ballpark.
Five percent of men and eleven percent of women reported
having never masturbated. Hmm. And there are a lot of
reasons that could be. One study talked about, you know,
if you're from a certain background, like maybe a really
religious background, you're you're less likely to experiment with your
body than otherwise. Um. But while not everyone does, a
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lot of us do, A lot of old everyone in between.
And in the next episode will go more into how
it can affect relationships. Right, So I hope you'll tune in,
and I hope you will send us your thoughts. I'm
well nice g rated PG rates as always, Uh, remember
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our span filters. So our email addresses mom Stuff at
how stuff works dot com, and we have one email
here from Elsie, and speaking of getting to know your bodies,
she was sending in a request for us to talk
a little bit more about UH exams that none of
us want to take, such as pelvic exams, rectual exams,
rest exams, mammograms, etcetera. She says. When I was in
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the Air Force, one of my jobs was to call
up active duty females who had not had their annual
PAP smears and schedule an appointment for them. It was
no easy task, since most of these women didn't want
to come in in the first place. I was usually
able to schedule about fifty percent of them, and I
would hand the list over to my supervisor or officer
in charge, who would then call the patient again and
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call their supervisors, who then had to tell or command
the women to come in for a PAP smere I
also encountered a lot of women who thought that just
because the results of their paths mirror were abnormal, they
had HPV and would get cervical cancer, which is not true.
I think most of these women were just scared because
they didn't know about the various procedures, and it would
be great to shine some light all these procedures and
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the various types of results that a woman can expect
to get. And that is an excellent suggestion, Um, and
I also wanted to give a quick shout out to
the women at My Little Pony Friendship is Magic animated
TV show, specifically Cat Stenson. You guys, um wrote on
our Facebook wall in response to a blog post about bronies,
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and I thought it was really cool, so too that
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