Companies Run by Cults

From fast food to mass media, it can be tough to know who really runs a company. In today's episode, the guys dive into the true stories of companies that are either founded by or run by groups the average person would consider... cults. They don’t want you to read our book.

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is
riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or
learn the stuff they don't want you to know. A
production of I Heart Radio. Hello, welcome back to the show.

(00:26):
My name is Matt, my name is Noel. They call
me Ben. We're joined as always with our guest producer,
Mr Matt Frederick. Most importantly, you are you. You are here,
and that makes this the stuff they don't want you
to know. This is gonna be one in uh what'll
probably what'll probably end up being a continuing series. If

(00:47):
you saw the headline, it is companies started by cults,
run by cults affiliated with cults. We all know that's
a that's a weird word, so use the phrase religious
sect if you wish when you're talking with your family
and friends over the holidays. Here's the story. A while back,
we delved into the strange, at times intensely troubling story

(01:11):
of a group called Falling Gong. They're a religious sect
out of mainland China. They run quietly run the famous
shen Yan performance group. And this got us thinking, many
many months back, what other companies and corporations might be
associated with or even run by organizations that the average

(01:31):
person would consider a cult. Uh. Here are the facts.
First things. First, we talked about this many many companies
are ultimately owned by the strangest entities, and you would
not know this if you were just walking by them
and your department store. You were clicking and buying stuff online. Um.

(01:52):
I think a lot of it is due to brand acquisitions, right,
so much, so much when when you look at the
manu factured foods businesses and that are out there, and
how many of them got purchased by like Big Tobacco
back in the day when you if you really thought
about that, you might not buy some of the snacks
you go to the store and buy every week now

(02:15):
my jerky, oh man, not just the jerky, the fast
food outfits, cereal companies. I mean so many can look
like their own independent things. I only drink Lipton tea,
someone might say, because it is you know, it is
the tea that I like out of all the teas

(02:36):
in the world. Uh. And you might think this is
an independent thing, right. These companies are like hey Ben
and Jerry. They own the only ice cream that I
will eat. It's somehow different and better Uh, but what
you'll find is a lot of these that seem to
be competitors. They have the same bosses. It's the same

(02:57):
with like craft breweries, right Like you'll have a raft
brewery that does really well and then all of a
sudden Bushmells swoops in and grabs them. But they do
it with very little fanfare because they were lying, nay hoping,
you know that folks won't realize the SWITCHERU has taking
place a hundred percent. You know a great example of
this would be uh corporate behemoth like Uni Lever. They

(03:21):
owned Dove, they own Acts, they own Lipton, They owned
Ben and Jerry's. Uh. They also own Walls, ice cream,
Hellman's everything. Helman's makes vassoline, they owned slim Fast and like,
you can see how it gets so confusing when these
large companies interact. Uni Lever doesn't Uh isn't just the

(03:41):
owner of Lipton, Uh, it is the co owner another
big company, PepsiCo. PepsiCo owns everything, right. Then they owned Tycho,
which was always like the the second run to Lego.
I think Tycho just kind of made like just general
run of the mill kind of children's toys. They were

(04:03):
kind of boxy and lego adjacent, but like not as intricate.
I know that uh Tycho I always associated them with
the sort of military indoctrination toys that are really common
in the US. You build tanks with Tycho, right, just
like g I Joe's, which I always thought were awesome,
are are there to make you very pro military. But

(04:24):
I think another thing PEPSI owns lipped In. Weirdly enough,
they co owned lipped In with Uni Lever, and I
like the point that you have made no about brands
and the power they have. Brands are popular, they command loyalty.
So if you're a corporation and you're buying a brand,
you're buying this image and you want to manage it.

(04:46):
So like the average person isn't walking in and thinking,
oh I love buying Unilever brand ice cream, or hey,
I only drink Uni Lever t right, that's why it's
not on the package. It isn't And like super fine print, Yes,
if you really want to dig for it or do
your homework, you can. You can figure out what these

(05:06):
uh where these threads go. You know what these organ
charts look like. And you know, as as we've discussed
in a lot of corporate conversations that we've had on
this show. Those organ charts usually kind of go back
to one or two or three entities, and it really
starts to make you think about things like political parties,
you know, because it's all kind of what do we
say we were hanging this weekend? Ben uh, fingers on

(05:27):
a glove, you know, like it really is kind of
that same um example here fingers on the hand. Yes, sir,
that's one big funnel. It's one big funnel. It's operative
word being fun Yeah. And sometimes they take the l
as well. I mean this, this isn't necessarily sinister, but

(05:48):
it is misleading. A lot of people only become aware
of these huge portfolios and these ultimate owners when you
see a boycott go viral and start making the rounds. Right,
someone says, hey, we need to boycott Nestley, for instance,
And someone says, okay, that's fine, I can go without
Nestley crunch Bar. And they say, wait, here's the full

(06:09):
list of all the stuff that company owns. And then
you know it's a it's a ephemeral social media posts,
so it usually gets ignored in about forty eight to
seventy two hours like everything else. But it's one of
those things been it. It feels like it's not a
I don't know, a shadow move to not openly promote

(06:30):
brands as the mothership you know, ownership company. But it
does feel I mean you we're right, it's a move, right,
it's a strategic move to diversify the likes of your
consumers so that they do latch onto those things. But
it does feel like it's hidden purposefully. It does it.

(06:51):
There's marketing to I mean, like, okay, if you're familiar
with military products or military rations, you know, what's the alternative?
Would everything just be an identical packaging it was stamped
like product zero six twelve a z uh powdered potatoes,
UNI lever or something like that. People wouldn't buy it, right,
And the big you know, corporate overlords PR teams, when

(07:14):
pressed on this, would likely argue, no, no, this is
a service. You know, we're we're serving different segments, We're
we're serving different needs and it's not a one size
fits all thing, so it's not appropriate for us to
brand you know, something that's more specific to uh, you know,
uh women eighteen to thirty two. You know, let's see

(07:36):
um cosmetic product with the lunar Unilever stamp, you know,
because yeah, right exactly, that's its own wing, that has
its own aesthetics and its own consumers that we are
here to appeal to. And we're not obfuscating, we're not
being dishonest. You can totally find that that that we

(07:56):
are in the parent company. But that's sort of missing
the point. Again. I'm speaking on the perspective of the
of the parent company here. Yeah, I think there is
some rationale going into it, but I also like the
phrase of instead of wing, another tentacle, if you will.
But either way still alarmingly Cathulu esque. Uh. This this
thing though, um, now we're talking about guys. I it

(08:17):
makes me yearn for a world where products do have
that backstage information printed right on the front. Like I
want the demographic there. I want to know right, oh,
this is actually for people who are you know, eighteen
two fifty four, who are for some reason very you know,

(08:38):
left handed. I want to do that, like, I want
all that information. Um, this is Unilever real mayonnaise, yes,
exactly exactly, and this, um, is it for the benefit
of the consumer? I would say, maybe, but not necessarily
that's kind of a convenient thing to argue. But it
gets even trickier when we realize that some of these

(09:01):
companies who make things you will run across every single
day in the West, they have association with things that
would surprise you. And it goes far beyond global corporations
trying to play pay no attention to the man behind
the curtain. There are a lot of religious sects that

(09:22):
have incredible influence on products that you buy every day
and therefore incredible influence on you. And it's stuff they
don't want you to know about pretty often because it
might affect their bottom line. And you know, again, real quick,
whenever we talk about these things, we know the c
word cults can be a little dirty, and a lot

(09:43):
of groups that you would consider cults will fund, will
take umbradge, they'll be offended if you call them that.
So we'll go with the phrase religious sex or cults.
We're just using that for the sake of communication in
most cases here, So we're we're saying that out front
just to make sure that if you're a member of

(10:04):
these sex and you're listening, you know that we are.
We're describing statements of critics. We are describing statements of supporters.
But as always here on stuff they don't want you
to know we are, I would say, spiritual libertarians. We
do not detigrate other people's personal beliefs, so long as
you're not hurting other people. Right, that's pretty fair, right,

(10:26):
spiritual libertarian. I don't know if I love that phrase.
Workshop at Universal Unitarian Church of Light for all people
there we go so so we started digging into this,
and we started asking ourselves just how common is this?
What we're gonna do now is introduce you to a

(10:47):
few of these companies, um and maybe at the end
we can answer the question, how many like corporations and
companies are really being rutten or influenced and so way
by cults. Here's where it gets crazy. The answer ton
a ton, tons and tons like way more than even

(11:12):
we would have ever suspected. So many that we're not
going to get to all of them today, But I
say we give it a go. I mean, they're not
all owned by cults, right, Some are just inspired by
or influenced by or yeah, um, founded by, founded by Yes,

(11:32):
let's get started with one that I quite enjoy and
I didn't know anything about the stuff we're about to discuss.
A little tea that I have purchased numerous times in
my life, different types of tea, teas that make me
get all sleepy. This a little thing called Celestial Seasonings.
Great name, great name. Yet the Celestial Seasonings and Sleepy

(11:57):
Time tea. Back in the day, it's nineteen sixty nine,
people are still kind of high, not upon off them
all free love, the Flower Power movement stuff like that,
and they say, hey, maybe if we if we just
put out enough good vibes, we can change the world.
This is something also that made the FBI and the

(12:19):
Alphabet boys super piste and uncomfortable and right, and they
started really doing some some dirty work in in the
Flower Power movements. So these hikers, these are blests, especially
one guy named mo Uh. They're not worried about that.
They are inspired by the natural wilds of Colorado. And

(12:44):
in V. Two they make this stuff that are very
well Matt Frederick gloves Uh. Sleep it's tam t. I
don't know why it sounds so south Park there, but
sleep It's tam te And given me the vapors of
that accample. And they became the most profitable tea outfit
in all of North America. You can find it in

(13:06):
any grocery store, right, Like it's it's all. It's kind
of always in the t section. The bear yeah yeah, yeah, bear,
and and and one of those like old timey night caps,
little dangly boys, you know, and then like the the
gown and he's snuggled up with the good old cuppa. Yeah.
It's so common that it's one of those things you

(13:28):
would where you would be more likely to notice if
it were not in your tea section, sort of like
you'd be in a grocery store and you say, hey,
why don't they have hines catch up? You know, it's
just everywhere. Yeah, it's the sleepy Time lavender. I think
was the one they got me there. There's one. I know,
there's at least one that has a dragon on the
face of it, and I really enjoyed that marketing. How celestial, right,

(13:52):
because what do you think of when you think of
tea dragons? So I do want to say, if anyone's
watched Deadwood, the terms still lest jail is actually used
as a derogatory racial slur for j people in in
in that era. Yeah, I'm not saying there's any connection there.
But it is interesting that I'm sure the dragon is

(14:12):
on some manner of green tea. There's some sort of
you know, capitalizing on like Eastern herbal remedies or whatever.
Interesting to raise the component of racism here and we'll
see why. Okay, this guy most Seagull co founder, and
he's the idea man, right, he's he's the dude who's

(14:34):
bringing together the earths and making these wonderful teas. He
was inspired by his friends and by Colorado, but he
was also inspired by a book, a very long book.
It's two thousand pages. It's called the Urantia Book. Uh
Urantia was first published in n Officially, there's a lot

(14:58):
of speculation about who wrote it, but it's like one
of those um in the world of prophecy. It's something
that would be called a direct speech book. The author,
whomever they are, was divinely communicated with right and the truth,
the metaphysical truth of reality and all that we know

(15:18):
was shared to this person who wanted to illuminate the
rest of not only Earth but the known universe. So
aliens were the ultimate authors through somebody else. Well. Yeah,
and and in the book most of the major characters

(15:38):
from the past from like the Bible, mostly Bible stories,
like everyone from Jesus to Am and Eve. They were
all allegedly aliens, like extraterrestrials who came to share a
specific tail with the Earth. I love it so far,
no notes a mean but but okay, So if we

(15:59):
look a little bit more secular, then you'll see the
majority of folks who have looked into this book in
particular this tone. Uh. They say it was written by
a psychiatrist named William Sadler. Uh. Sadler was inspired by
the Seventh Day Adventist movement. And first off, this book

(16:20):
might not be for you. That's fine, you know, Twilight
isn't for everybody, me included. But there's nothing wrong with
loving a good book, you know, even if your friends
don't like it. The thing is that critics and people
outside of the movement who have read the book say
that it has deep roots in eugenicism and UH eugenics

(16:43):
parent company white supremacy. It describes these Aryan aliens named
Adam and Eve who are going to arrive on every
planet to purify it. To up step is the phrase
they use to up step the civilizations overall to a newer, better,
purer place and most Segel. You can read interviews or

(17:07):
here interviews with him where he says, initially I thought,
you know, this was out there whatever, but as he
read it, he became so inspired that it guided how
he ran Celestial Seasons. He he was inspired to name
the company based on this stuff he read in this book,

(17:29):
and he had quotes from the book on the products,
and it was like the moral compass for himself and
his employees. This is not us casting aspersion. Mr Siegel
has said this multiple times. He is ted toes down.
He is on board. Uh. We even have a quote
from him where he talks about this, and he seems

(17:51):
very sincere. He says, I had wanted bold, I found bold.
I wanted spiritual adventure, and I was on the ride
of my life if I was searching for truth and
the book was loaded with it. Um. And like you're
getting to Ben, the Urantia book really is fodder for
its own episode. Um. But we'd like to describe it again,

(18:14):
you know, objectively, without imposing any judgment of any kind
on it and misrepresenting the beliefs that are proposed within it. Uh.
So once again, let's let's let's let's Segel himself do
that job for us. He goes on to write, Lucifer, Satan, Meledic, Adam,
and Eve and Jesus are all extraterrestrial beings who have

(18:37):
visited earth. Okay, okay, I love me shout out man.
Is that it's some sort of spirit I imagine or
some sort of like like like a dibbit or something
like what is it? Like a priest of the Most
High God mentioned in the Old Testament, and he was

(19:00):
revered by Abraham. Abraham even like paid ties to this guy,
and he was both a king and a priest. There's
a lot of speculation about this dude, apocryphal uh and um,
I don't know. You see, you see conversations about it
in all three of the Abramaic religions. But uh, I

(19:20):
I have some weird personal takes ondek which are not
for here. For some reason, I was I was misconstruing
that with mar Duck, who is a kind of like, uh,
a god from ancient Mesopotamia and and also has been
you know, looked at as being something of a malevolent spirit. Yeah,

(19:42):
like a lot of the pre Christian gods. That guy
got kind of got his reputation spirit and became a demon. Right.
So so, by the way, I just wanted to really
quickly say that the dragon T is called Tension tamer Um,
so it's it's not you know, there are some kind
of Asian imagery like like like a temple kind of thing,

(20:03):
and like, uh, you know this sort of classic Chinese
looking dragon, but I'm not. I didn't want to imply
there was this apparently any kind of racial undertones in
that name. And it might not have been conscious either,
you know, just because we're talking about passage of of
um a span of decades. But yeah, the strangest strangest

(20:24):
origins right to the most common sounding or innoculous sounding things.
This book is long, as we said, and it's kind
of like think of it in quarters and four parts.
So the first three parts describe, uh, the metaphysical layout
of the universe. They don't mention T. I should say that, uh,

(20:46):
they are more about reality in the universe. And then
the last fourth is the as a recounting of the
life of Jesus Christ in detail. And uh, now the
book has been translated into twenty different languages, so if

(21:07):
you do not um. If you not easily read English,
never fear you will find an Arabic, Croatian, Chinese, Spanish.
Itally you name it, you know what I mean? Yeah, uh,
it's really it's I don't know, it's it seems like
a fun read to me, um in the way a
science fiction novel would be, because you know, it goes

(21:29):
into a lot of stuff. If there's like invisible angel
like preachers, the seraphim right, it it paints a world
that is much more interesting than the somewhat mundane place
that we find ourselves in. That that does have incredible
human beings doing all kinds of cool things and um,
you know, mind blowing animals and plant life. But it's

(21:50):
just it's got this extra layer of excitement. I think
when you add that spiritual layer thinking about what humans
really are, right, this other spiritual side to all of us. Yeah,
in in this philosophy, um, folks like the Jesus Christ

(22:12):
of Christianity are. They're kind of like local representatives. And
there are multiple ones on multiple planets. There are billion worlds,
and when the universe wide evolution is complete, each of
those worlds will have ten a hundred thousand excuse me
local universes, each of which will have ten million inhabited planets.

(22:36):
Earth's real name again in this book is Urantia, and
it's number six hundred and six in a planetary group
called Satania spelled like Satan I A and uh. The
headquarters of this is Jerusalem. And when you die, you
actually get reincarnated on a different planet. You go planet

(22:58):
to planet to planet until you ascend to Paradise. Right.
So there's a little bit of Easter religion in here too,
and that's where you run into the final boss of everything,
known as the deity with a capital D. And uh.
You've been carrying a little piece this deity in you,
you know how. You'll hear other belief systems say everybody

(23:20):
has a piece of God in them, you know, and
that's like the soul. Well, that's your antis answer to this,
your deity that lives inside you, kind of like a
guardian angel or a symbiot, is called a thought adjuster. Uh,
I don't like that one sleepy time. T. Yeah, So

(23:40):
Seguel does you know clearly believe in this. He ultimately
shifted his focus from T altogether. He retired from celestial
seasonings in two thousand two and took over running the
RANTI of Foundation, went all in, went all in, And
at this time there haven't been you know, allegations of

(24:03):
a like gross mistreatment or anything, but they're uh. But
I think a lot of people would be surprised at
the origin story of something that is as uh seemingly
unobjectionable as a t company. And we're kind of easing in.
This is not the weird one. This is not the

(24:24):
weird We're oddly enough. Um, We're gonna pause for word
from our sponsors, and then we'll be back into the
world of education. Right, and we have returned, and we
are jumping into the world of education. We're also jumping

(24:45):
into a world that maybe dealing with some pretty intense
subjects like potential abuse of children. Uh, potential abuse like physical, mental,
and sexual abuse. So just be aware of that as
we jump into this. Uh. Parents out there, we are
talking about um an educational let's say, service piece of software.

(25:09):
So you might be very interested in it. You just
probably don't want your kids to be listening. So let's
let's talk about it. Let's talk about education and the
ASELLUS Academy. Yeah, okay, online learning tool made by private
company UH and sold to thousands of school districts across

(25:30):
the United States. And that's pretty common. You know, your
local school districts will always have contracts with third party
private entities that supply stuff a school needs to run,
whether you're talking about Cisco UH supplying food for the cafeteria,
whether you're talking about deals with textbook companies right like

(25:52):
Pearson to get all the biology textbooks out. That kind
of stuff very common. A sellers kind of fits into
that old into that rough category. It's parent company is
something called the International Academy of Science. Both as Cellists
and this International Academy are owned by a fellow named

(26:12):
Roger Billings. You may have never heard of. If you
ask Roger. He is a scientist, he is an entrepreneur,
and he is very much not the leader of an
offshoot of the Mormon Church which is called the Church
of Jesus Christ in Zion. Former members say he's very
much definitely in charge of it, and it is a

(26:35):
polygamist cult. And there's a lot you should know. By
the way, Roger Billings, he's got an honorary doctorate, I
think that's what they called it from the International Academy
of Science, which sounds so legit if you just say
all those words together. I love science. What could go wrong? International?

(26:57):
And it's an academy. Yeah, and he owns it, yeah exactly.
Oh and they developed this thing called Excelis. Yeah, so
he's been He and his organizations have been accused of
some pretty nasty stuff, forcibly separating families, abusing children in

(27:23):
horrific ways, and forcing people to conduct unpaid labor, so
essentially enslaving people, and violently retaliating with any dissent or criticism.
They've got three big communities there, Missouri, and one of them,
how James Bond is this one of them is an

(27:45):
underground cavern system. The guy has an underground cave where
people think he does the majority of running his companies,
including a cellist one of Limestone. Yeah right, uh, people
in their sleep in bunkers. Basically they work for free.
And Billings has been accused of vigilantly scrolling through the

(28:10):
Internet to scrub it of any information that connects him
to Zion the Um religious sect and everybody again like again,
he says, no affiliate, he doesn't lead it or whatever.
But on the other side, everybody else from former members
of the organization to experts on cults say yes, he

(28:34):
still leads it, and the various objection will practices continue today? This? Uh,
this comes out. A lot of it came out, Um,
came to a public light due to some stuff that
went down with him in Hawaii's education system. Is this similar?
Is this in any way related to you know, being
a Zionist? You know he uses the term gets thrown

(28:55):
around a lot these days, and I think a lot
of people don't know what it means. I think it's
used somewhat loosely and offensively at times. Do I would say,
just from what I've read, No, doesn't have anything to
do with Zionism. Um, it's it's very different and it's
very weird. One of the some of those allegations that
the criticism that came up through Hawaii's education system because

(29:15):
it was widely accepted in Hawaii. A lot of that
came from allegations made by one of Billing's children. And
there's a blog post you can find. Uh. The original
one got deleted and then the archive dot org backup
got deleted, but then it got reposted again and you
can still find it. It's some pretty serious allegations, um,

(29:36):
and stuff that we talked about on this show a
lot when it comes to how a cult leader controls
human beings and what they do. But it goes pretty
in depth on some things, just practices of making sure
that the person who's running the show gets to kind
of be with whoever they want to be with, and

(29:58):
everybody else kind of has to tow a line when
it comes to relationships, when it comes to you know,
turning into an adult and the procedures that go down
that are not good. Yeah, and that's I mean, that's
really common. That's one of the more toxic behaviors of
cultic organizations. Right. Please do check out our video. It's

(30:18):
years old now, but it holds up like how to
start a cult, how to run it? Um, you will
you will see that a lot of these organisms, Like
just how fascism can't really be defined by singular ideology
and must be defined by its tactics. Cultic organizations are
best defined by their tactics, their practices. What they do

(30:40):
uh to eliminate the personalities and independence of their followers,
right and and further subsume their egos and their agency
into that of the of the leader. Billings does seem
to be doing this um at least according to his critics.
And again all the survivors, there's no one who's come
out of this. Culton said, hey, it was great. It

(31:01):
was just the scheduling that got me because I go
bowling on Tuesdays. Nothing like that. It's it's much more sinister.
And the Hawaii thing actually came out because Wall Street
Journal ran a piece on this too. Uh, they had
the parents and teachers and why he said, this program,
they're just there a cellist learning accelerator had a lot

(31:25):
of sexist and racist content in it that was being
taught to children, so they weren't like they learned of
the cultic connection after they said, what are you teaching
our children? You know, it's pretty pretty weird weird stuff. Ultimately,

(31:45):
it strikes me as just um, maybe amateurly done, like
some of the animation that's I've seen some videos of
the animation that's in there, of the voiceover work, just
the way it's built. It just feels like wasn't made
by professionals. And that's you know, no, I don't know
who you know, I don't know the individuals who actually

(32:05):
made those things, who recorded those things and animated them.
I just know that it feels like it was kind
of thrown together. Um, and maybe there wasn't a lot
of oversight when it came to some of the content.
That's what it feels to me. But it doesn't feel
like it's trying to indoctrinate anyone like at all. I
would not I would not characterize it as that agreed, right, Um.

(32:28):
One of I mean, for instance, one of the big
things in in the Hawaii case was the way the
history of Hawaii was being presented, like a cellist was
telling children in the islands were discovered by Europeans in
seventeen seventy eight. Anybody who has you know, who has

(32:50):
descended from the people of Hawaii knows that folks were
living there thousands of thousands years before that, right. So
it's um, they got accusations of whitewashing, right. And if
you've ever visited Hawaii, if you have family there, if
you yourself or Hawaiian, you know that is an incredibly,

(33:11):
that is a fundamental part of Hawaiian identity, the true
story of of Hawaiian past. So to sort of whitewash it,
it's a very very sensitive. Not a good look. Um,
But yeah, I think you make an excellent, very fair point, Matt,
that there was not open indoctrination. People were just objecting
to using taxpayer dollars for this, and then they found

(33:35):
out about the cult, so it was very much a
butt weight. There's more moments, and if you want to
read the allegations that were put forward by Aaron Billings,
a child of Roger Billings, you can just search Aaron
Billings blog and hopefully you can find it. We found
it on Google Photos of all things, because someone made

(33:56):
them public and put it back up online right again.
People are you're you're gonna see that. There's a cycle
of stuff about this place getting posted and then removed
and then reposted. There's also a great, uh, a great
investigation by Sarah Emerson and Matthew Giles writing for one zeros.

(34:18):
Just through their names and one zero spelled written out
and you will you'll find it. And that might be
it might be an episode of its own. Um, it
might be an episode that finally lands us and papers
of note like the Washington Times, not to be confused
with the Washington Post. He has we've used the Washington
Types as a source before. Yeah, if they are, because

(34:41):
they're they're conservative paper out of d C. And they
have an emphasis on US politics. So sometimes so in
the past, I can't remember which stories it was specifically,
we were looking into, I think some controversies with some
US politicians, and they had some pretty good report on this.
I mean it was definitely slanted. They definitely have you know,

(35:04):
their agenda or their horse in the race, but they
had some good reporting and they have been considered a
paper of note. But they're they're pretty clear um in
terms of their focus and there the way they framed
perspectives right, like these are not the folks who are
going to be warning about the dangers of climate change
so much as the folks will be saying climate change

(35:27):
that's a little over hyped. It's that kind of paper. Uh.
It was also founded by the Unification Church. That sounds familiar.
What is that moon Moon Uh. It is an organization
that does not like being called a cult one. Uh.
It is not based in the US. It is based

(35:48):
in Korea. It was founded by a guy named Son
Young Moon in ninety four. The Moonies. The Moonies owned
the Washing ten times. The movie It's kind of like
a sort of a dated organization. You hear you hear
it like referenced in like eighties movies a lot, but

(36:08):
you don't really hear it come up much. You know
these days, Am I right? They're they're still active, but yeah,
they're not in pop culture as much as they definitely were.
Like you don't you know in the days of Carson
you would hear moonies and had Krishna's referenced right often
in the same jokes for like passing out pamphlets at
the airport and stuff stuff like that. And uh, this

(36:32):
this group is probably during that time too, and there
were more in the zeitgeist. They were best known for
mass arranged marriages and you can see photos like tons
and tons, like more than a hundred couples getting married
at once. Uh. This is also a you could call
it new religious movement if you don't want to use

(36:54):
the word culture sect. Uh. This is what's called a
messiah claimant movement, which is the more academic way of
saying the purse the dude or duds the person in
charge thinks that they are the Messiah, usually the second
Coming of Christ in some in some variety also just

(37:15):
for the record. I feel like dude is a unisex
a unisex term here in American English. Yeah, I mean, well,
you know, the joke used to be dude and do
dat dudes and du dads, But now due ad is
like diminutive and kind of offensive. So I think I
think we can always say do you know, yeah, I
think it's even my kid confirms that she believes it's
non gendered. But what about bros Bro. It depends on

(37:39):
how you use it in the context. He does it
really does a lot of it has to do with Conda.
Can I say, really Coolly? You know my favorite Messiah
is I've been digging back into some some Stephen King's
short stories. Remember he who walks behind the rose Yeah, yeah, yeah,
adapted the Children in the Corn That that's the character
that the I mean the story was that a chy corps,

(38:00):
but he walks by the roses the the local can talk.
I think, you know, weirdo, you know demon Messiah that
these like feral uh fundamentalist children worship being sacrifice tourists too.
Yeah this, oh it's canto. Sorry, can talk in the

(38:21):
Stephen King universe is a big god. I think canto
is like a smaller. Well, we'll figure it out. It's
all cause a wheel. Uh yeah, no, I love that
stuff too. Like it's it's strange with this because we
see that colts often do kind of try to portray

(38:41):
their leader or their figurehead at least as divinely inspired
and possessed of supernatural abilities. And and the the Unification Church,
especially during Moon's lifetime, was very much in step with that.
He was based in the Christian by bole originally, but

(39:01):
then you know, kind of did his own thing very fleet,
went back, go your own way when you start a cult. Absolutely,
So this this isn't uh, this isn't a story the
Washington Times will tell you very often, you know, because
just like just like how Uni Lever would rather you

(39:22):
think Ben and Jerry's is its own thing. You know.
The key in journalism. The ideal in journalism is that
something should be relatively independent like Pro Publica. Look at
all the excellent work they do. But the reality is
a lot of these papers of note can be heavily
influenced by three big things. One, the political ideas and

(39:44):
other investments of their owners shout out to the hearst
enterprise to uh, the economic heft of their advertisers. That's
a huge thing. And then of course three, the one
that people don't like to talk about, even in the States,
were freedom of press is a big thing. Uh, the
FBI C I A. I'll they have this network of

(40:04):
contacts where they go to the editors, or they go
to the shareholder, they go to the board and they say, Okay,
you guys are a free press, so you're totally it's
we'd rather you not report some things, but if you must,
this is the way you're going to talk about them.
And they do it. Well, Um, just quickly, let's talk

(40:25):
about how this organization, this kind of strange organization, ended
up creating a right wing newspaper. Well, there were missionaries,
the Moonies or moon himself sent to the United States
back in those times, the nineties sixties, when mines were
a little malleable in these ways at least over here. Uh,

(40:48):
and they established a pretty strong following in the US.
And then they they've moved into basically I guess it's news.
I guess it's more of a media organization right then,
where they're they're doing all kinds of stuff, but mostly
propaganda for themselves. Right, Yeah, Yeah, they want to have
a megaphone, They want to have allowed speaker right in

(41:11):
the field of public discourse. They've been pretty successful to
just through The Times for instance. As of last year,
the paper at a daily circulation of fifty people are
reading it, you know, and um, they can become a
thought leader in this space, especially with their demographic. But
still you have to ask yourself, Okay, is this just

(41:33):
a money making endeavor? Is this just a financial decision
to you know, support the continuation of the organization, which
happens all the time, or is this a way for
the message to spread? Right? What's the end goal? Is
it to make money or is it to grow the
organization or is it both? Um, that's that's the concern,

(41:56):
especially when you're talking about news. Right, Willed Washington Times
ever report a scandal in their parent organization? Maybe not?
Maybe not? And with that we're going to pause. These
are still not the weirdest ones, by the way, folks.
These are just kind of obstucating, uh, their ultimate owners.

(42:19):
But after a word from our sponsor, we're gonna go
to the dinner table. Yeah, maybe your grandmother's dinner table
and the deli, yeah, and the deli we're back. Okay, Onita,
New York. This one's for you. If you were from

(42:42):
this area, you already know what we're going to talk about.
But tell yourself it's because you have psychic powers instead
of you know, knowing one of the biggest stories to
come out of that part of the US. Onita Silverware
they make cutlery, knives, forks, spoons. You've probably seen sports,

(43:03):
maybe sports and I don't know class. Yeah, they're they're upscale,
but they're kind of stayed, you know what I mean,
Like maybe like those serrated knives that come in kind
of a wooden case, you know, uh, set that you
see in like really fancy um table spread, photo, photography
for magazines, a lot of stuff like that. Yeah, And

(43:25):
you can go to their website which is just Onita
dot com and you can see any number of stuff
they make, like just just for a quick snapshot. You know.
They got different levels of sets you can buy. They're
Michelangelo fifty three piece flatwear set. Uh is apparently supposed

(43:45):
to be six hundred something dollars and now it's three
hundred just in time for the holidays. Uh Yeah, silverware
currently in my house. Thank you for the support. Yeah,
twenty piece set though of a fine flatwear service for
four for a mere one and fifty four dollars. That's

(44:08):
on the lower end. Know, yeah, they've they've they've got
something for everybody in the market, right, that's their idea.
And you know, sometimes the silverware sets are wedding gifts, right,
this is the kind of thing you might see on
a wedding registry. Uh. They're very well established there everywhere.
But I would say they're nice. They're like, as you said, Matt,

(44:30):
they can be upscale. It's kind of like a little
run in the mill, a bit stayed nowadays. It's it's
nice the way like a a Lincoln car might be, right,
you say, Okay, this is cool, but it might be
a little bit of an older crowd, right, maybe more
of a grandmother Lee demographic, you know. Yeah, for surely
they also have like you know, serving sets and things

(44:52):
like that, a little bit more old school, right. And
I was even what I was saying earlier was was
not even quite on the mark those serrated And I
didn't eve and sell stake knives really. They mainly just
sell your traditional kind of table set and stuff. Yeah,
And they have you know, knife sets, and and they've
they've expanded because they've been around for so long. Uh.

(45:13):
They were actually founded as a result of a crisis,
because when the folks who would end up creating this
silverware company got together, they were not concerned with the
state of cutlery in the United States. They were way
more into radicalizing fundamental opinions about relationships. Starch a guy

(45:38):
named John Humphrey Noise. Sadly that's noise in oh y
e s. I think Noise would be a cool last name,
just like sound. But he created this group, a commune
called the Oneita Community. This is probably its own episode.
May have did something like this in ridiculous history. The
group never got really big at its height. We're talking

(46:02):
around three people, and they were scandalous in their day
because they practiced what they called complex marriage. Uh. Noise
also point free love. Yeah. As I say, complex marriage,
sounds like a bit of a diplomatic term for something else. Yeah, right,

(46:24):
it sounds like something the Uh like a royal biographer
who would be afraid of pissing off the crown. He
would say it was often noted that the king and
his bride had a complex marriage. Yeah, it's like that
Facebook status. It's complicated. Oh yeah, so complex marriage is

(46:44):
the idea that love is great and you shouldn't restrict
your affection to just one person, you know, society he's
got all these rules. Let's do free love, you know. Uh.
And that meant that anyone could have a sexual relationship
with any other consenting person. In fact, monogamy was frowned upon.

(47:08):
Monogamy was seen as kind of like selfish and self limiting. Uh.
But despite saying they were going to fight against the
rules of the establishment, they they didn't go super free.
Actually they created their own system, a very complex and
highly enforced rules. Uh. And it was in full disclosure.

(47:30):
It would be considered incredibly predatory and abusive today. If
you're an adolescent boy, you were told to engage in
sexual behavior with women over forty who function as mentors
to you, so they would teach you religious principles, who
would also initiate you into the world of sex. And
the reason the women were supposed to be over forty

(47:52):
is because, in John Humphrey Noise's opinion, that minimize the
chance of the relationship resulting in pregnancy. And then older
men were doing the same thing with adolescent females, and
as the head Haunt show noises, the one who often
declared who could sleep with whom? Yeah, that's also a

(48:15):
hallmark of the cult leader, isn't it. Mm hmmm. So,
as we see, there's this emphasis on controlling not just romance,
but controlling procreation. Right, So they practice a couple of
different methods. You may have heard the phrase coitus interrupt
us a k. The pullout method before right any number

(48:37):
of times um as a lot of people can ensure
you from personal experience, that is not effective method. But
they also practice something that I think stood out to
us called coitas reservist coitas reservatis weird Harry Potter spell.
So it sounds like expect rowneus coite just interrupt this.

(49:03):
That's a really fun thing to yell out though in
that moment, Oh, in that moment exactly. Yeah, try to
cast a list. But but so this reservotist idea was
it was kind of based on these older religious or

(49:27):
spiritual beliefs. I would I would say that m dude's ejaculation,
a man's ejaculation was part of his virility, right, and
so by reserving that, by not actually reaching ejaculation. The

(49:47):
the person who practiced this, uh practice, this would stay
even more virile. Yeah. This is like the same concept
as like tan tric sex or whatever in the Eastern
some Eastern cultures. Yes, of course. Yeah, the idea that

(50:09):
by withholding or or holding back, I guess you are
in fact increasing your sexual prowess and strength. Yeah, so
they were. They were into that. They had a lot
of rules. Let's say, you do you do want to
have a child, right, and you met someone you just
know it's the perfect match. Well, then you and your

(50:29):
partner have to go to a committee. They loved committees
in this community. You have to apply for permission. It
was a whole thing. They also had these mutual criticism meetings,
which were just like they sound, another effective way of
controlling the minds of cult members. Uh so you might say, hey, guys,

(50:49):
you're going into a lot of detail about this and
so far has nothing to do with silverware. Right. It
wasn't until the start of the Civil War that the
group realized they were in hot water. This is all
before the Civil War. This all happened. Yes, yes, uh
so they had a lot of members. But when you

(51:11):
join the organization, you give up the vast majority of
your of your personal property, right, all but the basics
and another hallmark of a cult. Absolutely, And they had
these members, but they had a huge financial problem. They
didn't have a lot of cash. People had already given
up their stuff, so they didn't have, you know, necessarily

(51:33):
rich benefactors they could be brainwashed into footing the bill.
So they said, we're gonna move as a unit. We're
gonna exercise the power of the commune. Uh. They tried
to grow and sell fruit, but they were an upstate
New York and the harsh winters made that difficult, so
they tried out some other things. They made leather bags, Uh,

(51:54):
they made different kinds of sort of fine fabrics, and
then because the fur trade was really big, they made
metal traps. No, it goes without saying that the the
people of the community often weren't going to wear this
finery themselves. Right, Just like how a lot of a
lot of the regions of the world that produced the

(52:15):
best coffee, the folks who actually work on those finka's
or plantations, they rarely, if ever get to taste the
coffee that they're growing. Same thing with chocolate. Uh, so
they're kind of in a situation like that. Anyway, it's
eighteen seventy seven. This stuff is helping him get by,
but it's not really working out. And the communes and
danger and there's a guy who was a member of

(52:37):
the commune, Robert Whyland Smith. I want to say. He's
sitting on this river bank while in away the day
and before while he meant partying hard, he's just in
a state arrest and more like the scarecrow. While in
a way the hour is consulting with the flowers just so,
and he sees a silverware factory nearby and he literally thinks, hey,

(53:00):
a we're on the same river. I thought we could
make silverware. You know, we already make metal traps, we
work with metal. Why not? And shortly thereafter Anita is
full time into the silverware business and they're reaching a
lot of success. But with their financial success came social unrest.

(53:23):
The community collapsed because this was a controversial approach to romance. Uh.
And you know, not to mention his child abuse. Uh.
Local authorities started passing laws that explicitly banned the Anita
Communes approach to relationships. Well, adultery was a crime, right, Yeah,

(53:46):
so literally any of the activities outside of their marriage
and with anyone in that community would have they could
have gotten some in some serious trouble. Yeah. Yeah, here's
here's the The leader skips town. He's already not doing
well health wise, who's actually deaf by this time. He

(54:10):
just leaves, he ghost and he moves to Canada. Former
members know something's in the wind. They know the thing
is starting to things that are starting to fall apart.
The center cannot hold you know, Falcon's purning, and a
guy or and so on, and uh, they say, okay,
let's just have more traditional relationships. And so they partner

(54:30):
up and they leave and they you know, start their
own lives outside of this. Ultimately afterward people decide, hey,
we're going to start a corporation for the silverware which
is still doing gangbusters. We're not a commune anymore. We're
a silverware company. And so they they say, okay, let's see,
let's figure out shares of this corporation. Uh, and it

(54:53):
will be based on how much you originally contributed to
the community when you joined and gave up all your
money and possessions, and then how hard you've worked at
the silverware interest while you were a member, and in
eighteen eighty Onita Community Limited was born. In all fairness,

(55:13):
right now, if you go on the website, what you'll
see is the company now has absolutely nothing to do
with the practices of the commune. How hard you worked?
Is that based on a specific metric of productivity or
is that up to the bosses to determine. It's a
little tough, because it's a good question. It's a little

(55:34):
tough because a lot of folks were only working just
a few hours a day, So you would have to
without getting two into the nuts and bolts, uh, you
would have to assume that they had a little bit
of corruption or a little bit of nepotism. I'm thinking
that the shares were probably more predicated, at least in

(55:54):
most cases, on how much money somebody bought him when
they joined nice. It's like scientology role. You know. You
should be noted that when they were when the factory
was up and running early on, the actual community members
wouldn't be the ones working in the factory at least
at most times, it would be hired help they came
through and was actually running all the stuff. So it's

(56:17):
interesting to think about. I wonder how much ownership everybody
actually had, or you know, how much hard work everybody
actually put in. It's interesting and this again maybe uh
maybe a story that we've joined later. We do have
to again note like unlike the Washington Times, unlike a

(56:37):
couple of other companies are in conversation today, Anita by
itself just has its origins in a religious sect. It
is no longer doing that today. But let's say, let's
go to something different. Since we're already at a at
a dinner table or a lunch table, and we're already
met a you know, thinking of cutlery, Uh, why don't

(56:58):
we think about sandwiches? Who does and love a good deli?
Ever been to the Yellow Deli website? We mentioned this
briefly in a in a past conversation. Reminds me of
the Hello Deli, which is next to where the ten
where the the Late Show David Letterman was shot, and
he would always go down there and didn get you know,
mess with the guys at the Hello Deli. This is
not that the Yellow Deli. Um, yeah, it's it just

(57:22):
kind of, you know, on first glance, seems like sort
of a hippie themed delicatessen vibe Um, which wouldn't be
too far off if you read there about us section
on their website, which reads as follows, one day in
nineteen seventy two, a few zealous people have the thought
they could open a little place where people could come
and sit down, not feel rushed to leave. People could

(57:45):
ask questions if they wanted to, and could find a
little refuge from the pressures of life. Well, sometimes it
is hard to even find someone to talk to about
our troubles being believers, these young zella's does that word again? Uh?
Knew that there really are answers to the troubles of many. Wait,
this doesn't sound what This isn't a deli. This is

(58:06):
a deli talk. But what do they do? They have
boar's head, do they have their own other proprietary types
of meats? It's yellow deli talk. Yeah they are. I
like that they put this on their on their website
because what they're saying is they're acknowledging, yes we are
we are a deli, but we are a community, a

(58:28):
commune right of people united by the same belief. And
they even address how the employees lived together in addition
to working together, and it goes into some detail on
the scriptural basis of their beliefs. Because the Yellow Deli
was established by the leaders of a religious sect called

(58:48):
the Twelve Tribes. Twelve Tribes comes out of an earlier
thing called the Jesus Movement, which was very focused on
the Book of Acts and the Twelve Tribes. Vibes says, Look,
we're gonna try to accelerate the return of the Messiah,
or I should say, we're gonna hopefully make the return

(59:09):
of the Messiah more welcoming by recreating the twelve ancient
tribes of Israel. How do you recreate that? He had
a lot of locations. Yeah, there's one in Brunswick, Georgia.
There's one, I think. Yeah, you don't see Savanna. I see,
Chattanooga is real close to here. Chattanyuga is the one

(59:31):
I've seen before him. Yeah, but then there then they
got some in Argentina as one in Australia, Brazil, British Columbia. Um,
let's see Manitoba, lots in Canada, there's one in Japan.
They've got too, in Spain and in quite a few,
you know, just one in the United Kingdom in Honiton,
in the UK wherever the hell that is. Uh, and

(59:52):
then you know tons and not tons about you know
ten or twelve or so in the in the US. Yeah.
As of just a couple of years ago, the Twelve
Tribes the movement had about three thousand members acknowledged in
fifty different communities around the world. Uh. They have been

(01:00:12):
under fire, unfortunately for some things, including allegations that they
have mistreated children, not the way the Anita Commune did,
but more by um practicing a spare of the rod
spoiled the child approach to education and discipline. There have
been accusations of daily beatings, of forced labor unpaid in factories,

(01:00:36):
and they respond to this on their about page UM
the way that sounds pretty nice, saying sadly, fear of
evil or perverse behavior going on among us has caused
some to circulate unfounded rumors about us, thinking we must
have bad motives. We hope that through having an open
and hospitable place like our Yellow Deli, people will be

(01:00:59):
able to see that are not really strange and scary,
but just friendly folks who love God and our neighbors.
We're just friendly and scary. It's strange, not strange at all. Uh,
They've got some cute little little logos at the bottom
of their page. Two, they've got one that's like two
sheep holding hands and the arms trying to That's kind

(01:01:19):
of weird, that's sheep, given the reputation of sheep as animals,
you know, being like you know, blind followers or whatever.
And then they've got another one that's like a rocking
chair with an acoustic guitar and a mandolin draped over it,
and like an old pair of boots, worn laced boots
at the bottom of it. Very it is very homey um.

(01:01:40):
And they emphasize that their sandwiches are are freshly hot
steamed sandwiches, which is an old school style of of
of Delhi service. And the menu really has that sixties
seventies aesthetic vibe. I do want to say, also, you
know what, this reminds me of some of some similar

(01:02:01):
outfits here in Atlanta, Like I have a long time
been a customer of a place called Soul Vegetarian, which
got which has two outfits here that I remember in
in our fair metropolis. And Soul Vegetarian is an extension
of the Hebrew Israelites. You guys, have you guys been

(01:02:26):
to soul Vegetarian? I have, I would have heard of it,
and I've heard actually quite good things about it. There
are several um vegetarian vegan restaurants in this city that
have an interesting connection to a very small religious movement. Yes, yeah,
that's true. And um this uh soul vegetarian. They are

(01:02:47):
vegan comfort food basically were in Virginia Highlands, right, there's
one there, there's one on the west side, and they're
out of the Hebrew Israelite community of Jeru s that's
what it's called. There is a very sectarian UM church
in Augusta where I'm from, called the International House of

(01:03:10):
Prayer for All People. Um, it is a Christian you know,
themed the wrong word, but it is is a Christian sect.
But but there's a leader and they there's all this.
They are all these like portraits of this guy and
he got really long nails. He doesn't cut his nails.
And apparently there's I don't know, I haven't confirmed this,
but like they they'll wash his feet and bottle the water,

(01:03:34):
uh and and sell the foot water. But here's the thing.
It has the most incredible soul food cafe. That's open
to the public connected to it with the best corn
bread and like collars and just really really amazing Southern food.
And it's obviously a gateway in, you know, for for
the public at large. You know, you go in wanting

(01:03:57):
to get some shrimp and grits, and maybe he leaves
slightly indoctrinated. Checkers was right, you gotta eat you You
get people through those appeals to universal needs and commonalities.
I do want to go back and just say real quick, yeah,
I um, there have been multiple accusations of anti Semitism

(01:04:18):
on the on the Black Hebrew Israelite community. Uh, when
I've been there, it's been perfectly fine. As a matter
of fact, my only complaint is that is that there's
not ice in the water. You know, on the list
of problems, I understand it's a very low priority. I've
just said it gets hot here in the summer. But

(01:04:39):
that's so that's interesting because in justin talking about Yellow Delli,
we have already found two examples, We've had personal experience
with two examples of other the other organizations they're doing
something very similar. This shows you how common it can
be for a religious sect to reach out to people

(01:05:00):
in that way or to support themselves. Now, there's so
many we didn't get to. We Um talked about Narconon previously,
will probably save that for a part two. Uh. And
in just a few examples we've explored today, we've seen
to have some commonalities that should be addressed. First, is
there anything wrong with a company being found out on

(01:05:22):
spiritual and religious principles? No, it's fine. Millions of groups
across the world do this every day, a ton of them,
I would even say the majority probably completely above board.
And you can't discriminate against anyone for their personal beliefs,
unless again they're harming someone else or they're trying to

(01:05:43):
force those beliefs on you. Then just don't don't mess
with them. It's not worth it. And then secondly, you
know what I was thinking, a lot of the folks
who were employees with these companies, especially the bigger ones,
it's highly likely they're not member of an organization, and
they might not even know about the affiliation or the

(01:06:05):
origin story. But one thing that's for sure is there
are a lot of companies like this out here, and
in many cases, their true affiliations right now remain the
stuff they don't want you to know. Also, godn't want
a sandwich now about you guys, Yeah, I'm hungry. I
don't know if you guys have been through LaGuardia Airport recently,

(01:06:25):
but like for a while, it was just this endless
um construction, Like it seems suspicious how long that play
has been in a construction. But they finally finished Terminal C,
and they've got like some legit New York food options
there now. And there's this one place that's like a
like a classic you can get like a classic Italian
HOGI with like you know, sesame seeds and the provolone

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and all the things with like rugula and like broccoli
rob and mean whatever. It's Oh my god, it's a
whole new ballgame at LaGuardia, y'all. It's great. I was
at LaGuardia just yesterday and they had it was so
much smoother, you know. I was I was thinking, like,
what kind of dangerous game am I playing? With the
New York airports here? Right? You still have to take

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a tram to to the taxi station and the ubers
and stuff, and now it's just right outside. I was like,
I've been flying into JFK because Lagaria was such a show,
but now it's like, might just change that up? I think,
I like, yeah, I think the move is to go
with Laguardi because constructions started at JFK. The reason we're
mentioning LaGuardia is because we wanted to end on this. Uh.

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As you probably know, folks, LaGuardia is wholly owned by
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