David Icke and the Rise of the Lizard People

It's one of the most outlandish conspiracy theories in history -- the idea that the world is secretly ruled by a shadowy cabal of half-human, half-alien reptilian creatures. And its most famous proponent has kept this idea in the public eye for decades. So who is David Icke?

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is
riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or
learn the stuff they don't want you to know. M Hello,

(00:24):
and welcome back to the show. My name is Matt,
my name is known. They call me Ben. You are you?
And that makes this stuff they don't want you to know.
A show that looks at say, how would how would
you say? We treat the stuff We look at guys
with contempt everything. Now we look at all things I

(00:48):
believe in a manner which would place us at the
center of them, like thinking about it. Okay, well if well,
if we're talking about witches, we're going to imagine, well,
what if I truly believed that this was true? Uh?
And also what if I believe this is complete hogwash?

(01:09):
What if my mother was a witch? Then you would
be part which right, I'll be pretty sweet. It's like
that old Mr. Show joke where they find out that
somebody's part old m hmm. It's true. Well, we talk
about stuff that would be often things are covered in
the fringes of mainstream society. We talked about mysteries like

(01:32):
lice lamb. We talk about allegations of the paranormal government
cover ups. We talk about, in short, a lot of
things that people would have you believe, our conspiracy theories.
I love that move, by the way, thanks man, that's
her No, you made it up, No, but I'm giving
it to you. It's the people's you know. The word

(01:53):
that comes to mind for me, I hope is not
a reach but is measured, you know. I feel like
we try to see both sides of an issue or
a story or whatever you want to call it, and
try to put ourselves in the shoes of people on
both sides of an argument. And um, we have a
lot of fun doing it. We want to understand like
that guide stone, precept, tempered reasons. Oh so we've we've

(02:17):
looked at some very very strange stuff, whether or not
we believe aspects of it are true or or whether
we believe they're false. And and look behind the curtain here, folks. Uh,
Noel and Matt and I don't always agree on something,
you know, which is hopefully uh something good for the show.

(02:40):
We are friends. We do actually hang out outside of
this studio. You say that, like people don't believe you.
We have a mandatory meet up, right, mandatory morale, but
no man. Today's topic is is is a doozy? Is

(03:01):
a fringy? A fringe e doozy. One thing that we
we get so many emails and tweets and letters about,
or people will find us in a bar and ask
us to do something about is lizard people. We've never
covered it. We've never covered lizard people. What what's the

(03:23):
belief here? What do we mean when we say this, Well,
it's the belief that the controllers of this world. You
can call them anything you like, the Illuminati, sure is
a go a good go to. Well, they're essentially a
group of shape shifting reptilian humanoids let's call them Babylonian Brotherhood,

(03:45):
who are propelling humanity towards this global fascist state of
control over every aspect of the entire planet. Is that all? Yeah? Yeah,
and uh, you know it's called the New World Order.
You have heard of it? It's yeah, so yeah, you
have probably heard of this. No, We're we're very fortunate,

(04:10):
um to have a very diverse group of people who
listened to this show. You know, um, some of you
listening right now probably consider yourself hardcore diet in the
world skeptics. Some of you consider yourselves, you know, uh,
having an insight that a lot of the rest of
the world either ignores or his Brainwashington and not believing.

(04:33):
The point is no matter where you find yourself falling
on that kind of false dichotomy or that spectrum. You
have probably heard of someone saying the lizard people phrase, uh,
usually to try to discredit another conspiracy theory. So someone
a few years ago is saying, well, I think that

(04:55):
there's some pretty rampant corruption in federal level Department of
Justice stuff, right, or I think that HSBC, I use
that example all the time, is running money for drug
cartels and you yeah, in the media, they're like, oh yeah, yeah,
where's your tinfoil at listen, that's an international bank, alright,

(05:19):
not some kind of criminal organization. You I bet you
believe in lizard people to write look at this Jim Oke.
He believes in lizard people. And that's that's a that's
an effort to diminish or discredit the validity of an
unrelated claim. And that's where a lot of people hear
stuff like the lizard people theory. I mean, let's be honest,

(05:42):
it sounds pretty crazy. It does. Indeed, So where did
the idea come from. Have you guys seen that that
TV mini series was actually remade as called V Yes,
I've seen both incarnations. Don't you feel like that's a
on this subject a little bit? Yeah, it's a It's
interesting because that's the listeners who haven't seen it. It's

(06:05):
basically about UH, an invading force of lizard reptilian aliens
who wear human skin and more or less infiltrate society. Yeah,
they're benevolent. People know they're aliens, but they wear human skins.
Make us feel better. Yeah, it's make us feel better.
And they're after the water. I think it's the water thereafter,

(06:27):
do you remember, No, I think it is the water.
The water. There's some line. We're like, you have no idea,
how precious this resource is. Gosh, but the the myth,
the trope of lizard people are serpent men, is even
older than that. The first appearance that I found of

(06:48):
so called serpent men was from this piece of literature
I found called The Shadow Kingdom, which was a story
written by Robert E. Howard, which was published in Weird
Tales in nineteen nine. And this guy Howard, by the way,
he is known for creating Conan the Barbarian, which is
pretty cool and weird tales. By the way, Ben, I

(07:10):
think you've got me onto some of this stuff, of
these old science fiction short stories or collections of stories. Yes,
that is one of the best examples. The Shadow Kingdom
is one of the best examples of modern serpent men
are race serpent men. We have earlier mythological examples that

(07:32):
are usually deities of some sort, and they're reptile ish,
you know, like there's, for instance, a half man, half
snake king of Athens. You know, there's a they're really
creative ones like Typhon, the father of all matt monsters
in Greek mythology. From the waist up, he's a dude.

(07:54):
From the waist down, he's a massive seething vipers. So
we have this melding of mammalian and reptilian things. Um
when it makes sense because the dominant type of animal
on this planet before humans came around, before mammals came around,
were reptiles, right yeah. And then there's the other idea.

(08:16):
There's the very uh, it's very strange idea that came
about in the eighties as well, right yeah. In a
curator at the National Museum of Canada and Ottawa. A.
Dale A. Russell proposed that if the dinosaur genus Troodon,
which is a relatively small group of creepy bird like dinosaurs,

(08:36):
if you guys have told you guys about my bird
a version, oh yes, we're aware. So the more the
more people starts talking about how dinosaurs are probably all birds,
the more I'm like, glad that good job comment. Whatever,
you know. Don't want them, don't need them. Any bird
lovers out there, I feel for you. You be you.
I'm gonna steer clear anyway. So, if that small group

(08:57):
of creepy birdie dinosaurs had not been eliminated sixty five
million years ago, in theory, it could have over that
period of time evolved into a class of intelligent bipedal
humanoids with a body shape similar to human beings. Um
And of course this was just a thought experiment, or

(09:17):
was it. So a lot of his colleagues and people
who worked, you know, in the same field as him,
thought that Mr. Russell was just wrong. Mr dale A.
Russell was wrong because they were saying they would have
involved evolved in a much similar way that it existed
currently or at the time that it existed where it

(09:38):
was still walking around on two legs, but it was
hunched over, you know, like that ninety degree angle that
shows dinosaurs are in and it still would have used
its snout to do most things. Yeah, it just would
have been smart. Well, this is interesting because it shows
people have been thinking about this for a long time
and there there is is uh. There's a group of people,

(10:01):
and we'll talk about this detail who in the modern
day believe that the world is a vampire sent to
drink God. Why am I quoting Smashing Pumpkins. It's just
in the airman, It's just in the air, Okay. But
they they believe that the um the world is to
some degree controlled by this hidden cabal of people who
are either possessed by his spirits or not entirely human. Today,

(10:26):
the person most closely associated with this belief it's a
man named David ike and he is the subject of
today's show. You've probably heard of David ik Er, you
may you you may have heard of him, but not
knowing what he's about. He's a very striking character. You
can find him on YouTube now. He's around. Yeah, he's

(10:47):
got an active Twitter. He is Uh. I actually was
kind of surprised. He is a very anti Trump guy. Yes, Um,
I sort of likened him to a sort of an
Alex Jones figure in a way in my mind. Um,
But as I started digging more into his backstory in
his biography, you know, while they do have similar thought processes,

(11:07):
let's say, it couldn't be more different ideologically, Yeah, they don't.
There there are a lot of things that they fundamentally
disagree upon. Uh. David Ike was born in nineteen fifty two,
in April twenty nine, and uh he was in the
beginning of professional footballer, So for US Yanks that means
he was just a professional soccer player. And since the

(11:31):
nineteen nineties or so, he's made his name as a
professional conspiracy theorists. That's what all the mainstream will call them.
His own phrasing, he describes himself as a full time
investigator into who and what is really controlling the world.
So how do we get there? The answer the t

(11:53):
l d R too long didn't read about it is
ultimately arthritis, And that's weird, but that's where it starts.
Arthritis ended his career as a professional footballer, and then
in ninety three he got a job as a reporter
with a local weekly paper, and then he moved on

(12:14):
and eventually did work with BBC Radio as their soccer reporter,
their football reporter. Then worked his way up until he
was working in radio is a sports broadcasters, a journalist,
and so from the beginning of his career in the
public sphere, he was not known as a conspiracy theorist
quote unquote at all. But then something happened. We go

(12:36):
back to that pesky arthritis and in the nineteen eighties, um,
he he was looking for a way to treat his
arthritis right, so he looked to alternative medicine, as you
do if you're not getting pain relief from the current
established medicine. It happens a lot of people do this. Well.

(12:57):
This led him to the Green Party. Like the Ralph
Nader Green Party is essentially yes, except this time not
in the United States. Now he became pretty prominent amongst
that Green Party. People were calling him the Tony Blair
of his party. Pretty cool. Yeah, and instead of one
uh one head person and they have four principal speakers.

(13:19):
He began to attend high profile events. Is advocating for
you know, Green Party issues like environmental stuff and and
human rights. But despite his success, he was experiencing immense
personal problems, still at arthritis, was in depths of despair,

(13:40):
and he began to feel what he described as a
presence around him. According to Ike, he was in a
hotel room in March of nineteen ninety and finally fed
up with all of these mounting problems and troubles and
you know, emotional concerns, pain that he was in, he

(14:00):
exclaimed to the universe, is there anybody here? Will you
please contact me? Because you are driving me up the
wall quote? And then a response came three in the morning,
go to sleep. The ways of the universe and mysterious indeed,
as well as neighbors. We're kidding about that part, but

(14:21):
the true story is. According to his account, a few
days later, he heard a voice guide him towards some books.
One of these books was called Mind to Mind, written
by a self professed psychic healer named Betty Shine. He
read this book and he wrote to her, eventually requesting
a meeting on the subject of his arthritis. They got on.

(14:45):
He visited Shine several times. There was one meeting in
March of where he says he felt something like a
spider's web on his face, and Shine told him that
that meant she had a message from someone named Wangy
Lee of the spirit world. It seems like a bit
of a Wangy leap to me, a wang quantum leap.

(15:08):
But but here was the message. David ike C was
no ordinary former footballer, no ordinary sports journalist. He had
been sent to heal the earth, she said, Shine said, uh,
and would become famous, but would face opposition. The spirit
world was going to pass ideas to him, which he

(15:29):
would speak about to others. He would write five books
in three years. In twenty years, a new flying machine
would allow people to go wherever they wanted, and time
would have no meaning. There would be earthquakes in unusual
places because the inner Earth was being destabilized by the
resource extraction oil specifically, So things escalated kind of quickly there,

(15:51):
you know. Uh. In February he visited a pre incon
burial ground and Peru, and he felt drawn to a
particular circle of waist high stones, and then he was hit.
He was struck with two thoughts that people would be
talking about this in a hundred years, and that it,
whatever it was, would be over when it rained his body,

(16:12):
he writes, his body shook and all these ideas poured
into him, and then rain started and the experience ended,
and so he felt that this triggered a higher level
of consciousness. Dude, if only something like that would happen
to me. Has never happened to you, not yet. They

(16:33):
never had like a revelation, not like that, not where
rain is involved. And like, my body is physically responding
to some kind of energy three times this week from
what lightning? Yeah, like like was it like see the
singes on the hoodie. I just feel like if you
see somebody violently shaking, then you should help, right, all right,

(16:59):
especially if you're amid what waste high stones in a
special like holy place that is well, this is cool. Well,
let's be fair to this is also in many ways,
this is a revelation and epiphany is an inner event,
you know, And it would be unfair to say that
somebody is. I'm just I'm very hesitant to cast out

(17:24):
or expirasion somebody's inner belief, you know. I'm certainly yeah, no,
I agree, and I'm not I don't mean to cast
out on it in that way. I just mean it's
an incredible thing and you've never like you have an experience,
but I want to we could probably something like that together.
I'm sure I could, you know, save up one of
my bi weekly epiphanies for you all. So inspired by

(17:50):
this in this higher plane of consciousness, Um, I want
to I want to emphasize that we are we are
giving information here without tell you we think it's true
or not. This is his account. So David Ike began
to wear almost exclusively turquoise. He also felt he had

(18:11):
been channeling for some time, and he received a message
via automatic writing. Automatic writing, for anyone who's unfamiliar, is
when you know Noel or Matt or I would take
pen and paper or even you know, typewriter or something
and have ourselves guided by some other worldly presence to

(18:35):
create messages. So we would essentially be another extension of
the pen or the pencil, but the author would be
something else, just sort of using us as an instrument. Yeah.
The ideas you put the pen to the paper or
the fingers to the typewriter and you just go and
whatever happens happens. You don't look at it, you don't

(18:55):
actively trying to write something. And this is this is
very important because for people who will believe this. For
for Ike, then the stuff that arrives via automatic writing
is not his idea. That's very very important. It's not him.
It's something telling him something. So what he found via

(19:17):
automatic writing was this message that he was and this
is another quote, a son of the Godhead. And in
he resigned from the Green Party, and he told them
he was about to be at the center of a
tremendous and increasing controversy. Now the members of the party,
to be fair, did not know maybe what he was

(19:38):
talking about. Perhaps they thought he was going to take
a controversial, hardline stand on an environmental issue or something
something personal in his love life or something like that. Yeah, yeah,
but he could have been anything, you know, because the
stakes are high at that level of politics. But people
admired him and he was met with standing ovation. And

(20:02):
a week later he holds a press conference where he
makes the announcement I am the son of a godhead.
And that is not an announcement that goes over easily
for a lot of people. And that's not the only
thing he said. Furthermore, he said he disclosed several other

(20:23):
predictions that had arrived to him via automatic writing. Stuff
like the world's going to end. There will be hurricanes
in the Gulf of Mexico and New Orleans, eruptions in Cuba,
disruption in China, and then an earthquake on the Isle
of man l A will become an island New Zealand.
New Zealand will disappear, and a few more things. This attracted,

(20:46):
as you can imagine, a lot of attention, and Ike
was eventually invited to various interviews and one of them
was a prime time talk show on BBC. Was on
a show called Wogan on April and this was the
most damaging. This was another fulcrum, another crucible for David Ike. Yeah,

(21:10):
this is tough to watch. You can pull up a
clip of it if you want. And this is roughly
what happened. So Wogan introduced the segment with quote, the
world as we know it is about to end. That's
not inflammatory sounding at all, and David I comes out
wearing a turquoise like jump suit of the Well, as

(21:35):
it turns out, the the host was was poking a
little fun at our boy, David Ike, and the audience
responded in kind with uproarious laughter. Um and Ike sort
of hedged around the question of whether or not he
was the son of God, replying that Jesus would have
been laughed at two um and then repeating that Britain

(21:55):
would soon be devastated by tidal waves and earthquakes. And
you can really feel in this interview you feel like
grab it, and you can feel that David Ike seems
to truly believe it, at least when I'm watching it,
and the interviewers hostile very much so, and they're trying
to parade him around like a buffoon, like like meant
to be the subject of derision, you know, ridicule. And

(22:18):
on the same coin, though it does sound crazy, like
it does seem like that's the reaction you should have
as a journalist or you know, the presenter of a thing,
fair enough, but it's opportunistic at best to take a
true believer like that and and parade them around and
make them look foolish. It's it's it, really, it really
feels it's a very hurtful thing to watch. However you

(22:40):
feel about this man in his opinions, Yeah, I think
it's a very fair thing to say. And so Ike
was surviving through this interview and he said laughter was
the best way to remove negativity. The interviewer kept, you know,
kind of bullying him and said, but they're laughing at you,
they're not laughing with you, and yeah, this was Deavin
stating for the guy. Um. The BBC was even criticized

(23:04):
for allowing it to go on, which is, you know,
uh point. I think they felt the same way that
you would pointed out, which was the point about exploitation.
So I disappeared from public life. It was the talk
of the newspapers at the time. This is back when
people you know, would read newspapers, and it was called
a media crucifixion. And I'm not a p on this

(23:29):
or whether this next event was sincere or whether it
was meant to be ironic, in which case it would
be a form of bullying. In May, police were called
to Ike's home because a crowd of over a hundred
people were outside chanting, we want the Messiah and give
us a sign. David. See, this is a known person

(23:50):
right in the public sphere who goes on a show
and makes this big announcement. Then a month later you
have young people who are either hungry for are you know,
something like this to be true, and especially if it's
someone they look up to. I can imagine them being sincere.
The younger people out there doing that. Yeah, well also,

(24:13):
yeah they were younger people. They were youth youths as
they're described. Also, kids can be mean. But either way,
this was another crucial tipping point. Here we had once
a respected mainstream media figure. Now he was set upon
this path to become ultimately one of the world's most
well known fringe commentators, otherwise known as conspiracy theorist. But

(24:37):
when we talk about this, we've okay, so we've looked
at the path that this that this guy took and
the realizations he feels like he had, the the way
that the mainstream media treated him or the way that
his contemporaries treated him. But what what does he actually believe?

(24:59):
What is his that's so crazy? What's going on with
this lizard people thing? We'll find out right after a
word from our sponsor, and we're back David Ike's beliefs.

(25:19):
Let's just start with the biggest one. No need to
stand on ceremony. The biggest one is the idea that
modern civilization is controlled by an elite that is either
comprised of reptilians alien reptilians or people possessed by the
spirits of these creatures. Although Ike is the most well
known popularizer of this concept, most people believe he originally

(25:42):
derived it from a guy named Zacharias Stitching and someone
else named Who's a missoulu credo mutuall bonus points for
the pronunciation, then well, we'll see. Good luck googling that one, guys.
All right, I will put it on our social media
for anybody who's looking for the spelling. According to Ike,

(26:04):
these reptilians are tall, blood drinking, shape shifting reptilian humanoids
from the Alpha Dracona star system, and they're now hiding
an underground basis and in plain sight and in plain sight,
similar in a way to V the series vs. Null mentioned,
or to one of my favorite films, They Live John

(26:28):
Carpenter nineteen eight. Son, that was very impassionate, man, I
thought you were angry at me for a second. No,
you gotta put the sunglass. You guys can't see it.
But not like you guys, seeing all that they live
memes popping around now with the current administration, there's new
they live memes. I think there's just ones like with

(26:49):
you know, Kelly and Conway and you know some of
the spokespeople as the creatures. Yeah, kind of like doing
like a like a flash and then they've they've changed
and then back. You know. I feel like I saw
one with um Hilly Clinton and John Podesta too, but
I'm not sure that one. I'm a huge fan. I'm

(27:11):
a huge fan of the of the they live memes
and also for everyone. Uh, Nolan and I took a
second during our ad break to to hit Matt to
cash me outside. I have never seen it. I've never
heard of it. How about that? Indeed, so so ikes. Uh.

(27:32):
David Ike's belief is that most of the world's leaders
are related to these creatures, these beings, so he said,
you know George W. Bush, other former presidents of course,
and even Queen Elizabeth the second of the United Kingdom.
These theories have supporters and up to forty seven countries,
and he's given lectures, long lectures which he's famous for,

(27:56):
to crowds of thousands of people. And here's I found
an interesting poll. It says registered voters in the US
four percent of the population of the U s or
population registered voters agree with David Ike. They're saying, well
things are already so strange. Why not reptilians? Why you

(28:19):
know what? Why not? And I wonder how many of
those you know, It's it's tough to ascribe motive, like
how many of those people were ironically dare I say,
dick ish lely or just had no idea what it was.
It's I mean, it's tough to account for that those
kinds of numbers. And so one of the things you

(28:40):
may have heard, maybe we buried the lead here is
the idea of shape shifting. Yes, because like we said,
these reptilians can hide in plain sight. According to David Ike,
there is video evidence that he points to of people
shape shifting, and you look at this evidence. In my

(29:02):
opinion as a video editor, what I see are artifacting
in the videos, much like some of the glitching video
stuff you've been working on a knoll, where it's pieces
of an image that then meld into the pixels of
the next images that are coming up. Sometimes it happens
not on purpose, especially if you're doing some kind of

(29:23):
live broadcast which video Sometimes those changes and with can
get choked, you know, and that weird things happen. So
that's what I see when he's talking about shape shifting.
What David Ike believes he's seeing is a human of
like almost peeling away the the human part to see
either reptilian eyes, reptilian teeth, or sometimes in the cheeks

(29:46):
or the entire face looks reptilian and strange. That's a
big thing in V. Two. Just want to bring that
back again, and that is what they do. They literally
have these human masks and they peel them off and
they reveal their reptilian true forms. So rather than explaining
what David Ike believes about shape shifting reptilians, We're just
going to play a clip from a video called how

(30:08):
shape Shifting Works that's posted on David Ike's YouTube channel,
not on how stuff works dot com. Correct. Now, one
of the hardest things that people have to understand, and
I completely appreciate it, is this idea of shape shifting. Now,
it's an ancient It's an ancient thing in terms of
accounts all over the world, not just shape shifting between

(30:30):
human and reptilian, but shape shifting between human and many
different forms, animal forms, et cetera. People perceive it because
we're so locked into this this reality is real. It's like,
are you physical, solid human body transforming into a solid
reptilian body and then back again. Because I spoken to
people all over the world, vast numbers now who have

(30:53):
seen this phenomenon of seeing someone a human suddenly transform
into a reptilian figure and then come back again. And
the ancient accounts talk about the same thing. And people
think it's impossible, mate, how could you? How could a
body change into another body? I mean, the person to die,
wouldn't they? Well, that's not what's happening. The only place

(31:17):
that the physical reptilian form and the physical human form
exists is in here when their energetic form is decoded
into a holographic apparently physical form. So when something shape shifting,
it shifts in the decoding mechanism by which we decode

(31:40):
different energy fields. It's literally like changing a television channel.
So it's it's a it's in the decoding that shape
shifting takes place because there is no physical form out there.
It's in here. That's where it all goes on. Okay,
So that's for me a little tough to wrap my
head around. Um, the idea of our brains are constantly

(32:01):
decoding the energy messages that are coming or the energy
fields around us, which is true with light, light goes
in your eye, your brain is telling you what is
You know that Ben Bolonen and Noel Brown are sitting
in front of me, same thing with everything we hear
and touch and taste, all of our senses. Yes, So
the argument that he is making, or the position that

(32:23):
he appears to be taking here is that the the
entity or the object of regard, whatever is being sensed
or perceived is the same. It doesn't actually change. What
changes where the shape appears to shift is because of

(32:46):
a change in the perceptible perception abilities of the brain. Right, yes,
but in this case, a lot of times we're talking
about a video signal, which is the next the next
interesting part, because if it were a change in perception
of the viewer, then logically what would follow would be

(33:08):
that three the three of us could watch the same
video and had our perceptive ability shifted see three different things.
And that's I mean, that's an interesting proposition and gets
into a little bit of philosophy, but it doesn't completely
explain like unless the camera, the recording equipment also experiences

(33:34):
some kind of perceptive shift, then you know, the next
question would be let's let's assume that happens. The next
question would be, well, why is it still out there?
If these people are that powerful? Is YouTube like the
last bastion of humanity? I don't know. Again, we've talked

(33:58):
about it before. There's a big difference. I mean, don't
be evil and be good? Yeah, yeah, well that you
know you're you're right about that, certainly. Why would they
allow it to be there? Maybe because it seems ridiculous,
you know, like maybe if it is true, the way
you stop it for being a thing is by letting
people think it. Or maybe you're one of them. Well,

(34:23):
I mean I don't. I've seen my face in a
black light and it is truly horrifying. Why do you
fall asleep whenever we're in the sun, Well, I mean
it's cozy. Why do you have that clutch of weirdly
shaped eggs under your desk? My babies don't miss my
But this, this is, you know, our attempt to show

(34:46):
from his perspective what he's saying, because you know, a
lot of people would would assume, and I certainly assumed
in the beginning before we dug into this, I assumed
that he meant that people were, you know, in some
like like anthropic style, similar to like in three like anthropy. Um,
I guess would be her pantherapy if they're changing into snakes.

(35:08):
I don't know. Well, he when he goes into discussing
why this is happening and how it's been happening, he
discusses ancient depictions of like anthropy and how you know
we there are there are records of humans shape shifting
over the years that are written down in all of
these native you know, languages, negative native tongues. So what

(35:29):
what exactly gives the reptilian people a leg up over humanity?
I mean, I know there's this idea that they've been
around for longer and perhaps had more time to evolve technologically,
because that is that the basis of what we're talking
about here. Yeah, the idea would be that it ties
into ancient mythology. So whether it's Eric von Dannikin or

(35:51):
um any number of ancient alien typewriters, the argument is
very similar. In the argument there is that the theme
is that were mistaken for deities or gods or angels
or demons were ultimately extra dimensional or extraterrestrial beings. So
sometimes both sometimes both, and so the argument that Ike

(36:14):
is making is that these reptilians were function is what
we would call the Ananaki in Abramaic literature, and that
and and other myths around the world, and that what
they were doing was creating hybrid races of man or
creating you know, half lizard half human things. Uh. And

(36:39):
this ties into something that that you probably know the
most about amidst the Three of Us Matt which is
another one of his beliefs, the Saturn Cult Control System
or SCCS. Okay, I gotta tell you. I can attest
that I've only watched about in our here of of

(37:01):
stuff on this that David Ike has has put out there.
He's got his YouTube channel on his YouTube channel again
trying to study it as though I'm taking a class
or something, and my goodness, taking notes. You go down
the rabbit hole quickly when you're watching one of these.
Should we play a little snippet? Sure this is from

(37:23):
the videos. Saturn isn't what you think it is either,
Just to reminder, saturn Um may appear to be what
it is in the holographic world that but actually again
it's an information field. It is a consciousness um. Everything
is aware, everything has a consciousness. So these um planets,
the sons, they have consciousness, they have awareness, They are

(37:43):
entities in their own light. Saturn is the key to
understanding uh so much. It was known as the Old Son.
It is known in occult as the Old Son, the
Dark Sun, and the Dark Lord, the Lord of the rings,
and the massive penny dropped for me, WHOA The colleidoscope

(38:05):
moved when I started to realize that at least so many,
if not all, the ancient sun gods were not gods
of the sun we know today, but of the Saturn
Sun that was focused on before because it was in
a different position. I suggest that there are rings that

(38:27):
we can see, but there are sound rings that we
can't see, that are coming out across and we're picking
them up. They make something appear to happen that does
not actually happen. They can induce a virtual reality experience.
The Saturn matrix, as I call it, is a frequency
band which we are decoding as a fake reality. And

(38:52):
I suggest, my view, we will find that the edge
of that frequency band is what we call the speed
of light. Beyond it, you go out of the matrix. Okay,
so what I'm getting from that is that he believes
all these religion, secret societies, banking institutions, everything, it's all

(39:12):
ruled quote astrologically by Saturn, and that these ancient sun
gods were not actually gods of the Sun, but of
Saturn because Saturn was essentially in a different position. Uh. Basically, Saturn, Mars,
and Earth were much closer together. They were aligned in
some way to where eclipses looked differently. The our Sun,

(39:33):
the one we know as a son, interacted differently with
this other son that was Saturn. It's a lot to
wrap your head around. But it sounds like some of
those philosophy classes I used to take in college kind of.
But he is matching it up with symbols at least,
I guess, I just mean in terms of like representation
versus physicality, you know what I mean, Like how maybe

(39:55):
everything we see is just being projected on a screen,
you know, yeah, exactly, you know what I mean? Just
like that, yeah kind of but but yeah, but what
are he's saying that these all of these different symbols,
they all match up from these ancient civilizations, but they
go right up to nowadays, with like the Great Seal
of the United States, with the United Nations, their their Seal,

(40:18):
the Rothschild family, Freemasons, the Catholic Church, even Madonna when
she's performing at Super Bowl halftime shows. Um, and I'm sure,
I'm sure I have not seen anything yet from him
about that perfection. Alex Jones said it set was a
Luminati Satanic ritual. When he was on The Rogan Show, boy,
he was he was ruck. The euphemism we like to

(40:42):
use his charming. Yes, I was gonna say turned. Yeah,
he was a little too charming to drive. Dude straight
up brought up interdimensional aliens. I've never heard him talking
about that before. Well, now it's now, it's out there. Yeah,
I'm tune in and check that out if you're if
you're a fan of this show, you'll probably joy the
Joe Rogan Show as well. Furthermore, I had asked why

(41:03):
you haven't checked it out yet, because we're we're fans
of we're fans of that show. What are some exact
so there's the argument is that ultimately there's a secret
religion here, Yes, So what are some examples of the
symbols that he's common. Oh, yeah, those symbols he brings out.
There's the Crescent, and circle, circle and cross, six pointed star,
twin pillars, horns of any sort that are used as

(41:26):
a symbol, spiders, black cubes, and the numbers six, eight,
and fifteen, and there's probably twenty others that he goes
through and list in the beginning of that video and
shows you how they match up with these ancient symbols
and how they represented Saturn and now they continue to
represent Saturn. But they're even like the Bentley logo with

(41:49):
the wings. I'm just okay. So here's the thing. Those symbols,
while while sure are commonplace in different parts of the
world and in parts of our timeline, are symbols that
could stand for a variety of things, you know what
I mean. It's just like the swastika, you know, is

(42:13):
now forever in the minds of Westerners going to be
uh symbol of atrocity, but for thousands of years before
it was pretty much a philosophical nice peaceful things again. Yeah,
you can find it in theosophy too, nasophy. Alright, alright,

(42:34):
we'll do theosophy. We'll do it later. We'll do it later,
We'll do it later. So these are these are some
of his beliefs. These are some of the ones that
the world at large would say are the most strange.
And we know from the interview that that we've mentioned,
we know from some of the clips, what most of
the world or what people would call the mainstream media

(42:57):
um think of David Ike. But what's the fringe of inion. Uh,
it shouldn't be a surprise to when anyone who follows
this stuff that there are people who would consider themselves
conspiracy theorists that accuse him of being active disinformation. And
this is the same thing that's been leveled at Alex Jones. Um.
Alex Jones, as as Nuel pointed out earlier, is ideologically

(43:21):
very very different in comparison to David Ike, but they
both received those criticisms. There's no art, there's no arguing
that Ike has massive support or at least massive attention.
He's a prolific author. His publishing proceeds alone number in
the millions of pounds, which is why some people would say,
you know, do you believe what you're saying? Do you

(43:43):
honestly believe it? Or is this some sort of performance
to make a buck. Let's not forget too that like
typically the term conspiracy theorists is not one of endearment,
but one of abuse, and no one would of or
call themselves a conspiracy theorist. It is diminutive, you know,

(44:06):
and it sort of takes away from whatever work you're
you're doing. Right, ever since, ever since the US federal
government put out secret documents, this has proven. You can
google it now. I mean, don't do it if you're
driving or whatever. But they put out secret documents to
media media outlets in the wake of the jfk assassination

(44:28):
saying this is the official story. Anybody violence the official story,
make sure to call them a conspiracy theorist. That is
where it began becoming a pejorative, was in pr I
think at most we've called ourselves conspiracy realist. But but yeah,
you're absolutely right. Now it's a it's a pejorative and
to the majority of the world, David Ike is not

(44:50):
taken seriously, and critics have painted him as everything from
someone who cynically exploits the credulous, playing on their fears
and concerns to make cash, to someone who is genuinely deluded.
You know, someone who might have They would say that
he might have a mental problem, But the thing is

(45:15):
he's not always wrong. No, I think we should dig
into that bit after a quick sponsor break. Yes, ladies
and gentlemen, here's where it gets crazy. The rumors are true.

(45:36):
There are times where people believe that David I was correct.
Many of his supporters contend that he's been correct about
several different events over the course of his conspiratorial or
fringe commentating career. One would be people believe that he
predicted nine eleven. What he actually said was that there
was going to be a disaster in the US. It's

(46:00):
sometime in like a two or three year span, So
he predicted a disaster. But that's a world away from
predicting nine eleven or something to that specificity, right, And
then it's kind of like the what I sometimes call
the nostro damist problem. I mean, you can call up

(46:20):
a real bad storm a disaster. Anything that requires humanitarian
aid could be considered a disaster. To not be specific
enough in saying two planes will be hijacked and hit
two specific buildings, you know what I mean? Like you
could call like your least favorite artists next album a disaster.
The super Bowl was a disaster. The super Bowl is

(46:43):
a disaster. I don't even care about football, and that
was an awful day. You know. Somebody bet one bet
five million dollars on the Falcons. Apparently the first half
of the game. They were out there on three chat
and stuff talking about how they had it in the bag.

(47:03):
If you're a fan of the show Man, my heart
goes out to you or what passes for one and
with my anatomy um the other thing. So there's this
nostre damis problem, this vague prediction, what like, how do
we define a disaster? Nostradamis, of course um popularly known
for his uh the quadrains he wrote, which, depending on

(47:23):
how they are translated, that's a big thing. Uh purport
to predict important events. I think we talked about it
in the past and previous episodes. But I read one
translation where one of the quatrains was in nine hundred
and nineties six build your house with wooden sticks for

(47:44):
war and fire will sweep over the land. Life will
be safer nary a man or something like that. That's
from the Three Little Pigs. Dude, that's fin Three Little Pigs,
the Copla version Three Little Pigs arm again. Um. The uh,
the point is, um, you know, I read that I

(48:04):
was a kid, and I was like, I wonder. I thought,
oh man, it's the end. I'm not even going to
get a shot at anything. I'm not gonna ever like
make out or like do cool drugs or smuggle anything,
you know. Not that I uh that, not that I'm

(48:26):
I'm saying people should go out and do that stuff.
But the point is that I was credulous, I was gullible,
and I was misled, and there was something that was
pretty vague, even if they translated to sound more specific.
And so it's easy for us to think a vague
thing is a specific prediction if we want it to
be so. But again, and this is the extra twist.

(48:49):
If we're looking at this from a matter of our
brains perceptions being the defining characteristic of the world, then
does that make it true. Then if our perception is
just changed, you know, it's it's a very it's a
very different mindset. It's placing the hierarchy of inner opinion

(49:10):
above the hierarchy of the outside world, which could lead
into another Deckart kind of allegorical Plato conversation. But the
point is there are people who believe it was right
about nine eleven. There are people who believe it was
right about the holographic universe theory, which is something that
we briefly touched on the show and something you introduced

(49:32):
me to, Matt. Yeah. You just google Dr James Gates
and that's literally all you have to do, Dr James
Gates Jr. And you will find all kinds of information
about proving through string theory that well, not proving yet
but getting pretty darn close to it, that everything in

(49:53):
the universe is made up of code that was written
on Earth and like the A forget when in the
mid nineteen hundreds. Really yeah, yeah, I mean, well, you know,
he's it's it's hard to paraphrase this because I don't
understand half of it. Again, we're talking about particle physics,

(50:15):
we're talking about supersymmetry. Uh, it's it's stuff that's beyond
my understanding. But this guy does a pretty good job
of discussing it and helping you understand. So Dr James
Gates is the person who believes that he found computer

(50:36):
code and quantum strings. Is that, yes, they went down
far enough into the architecture of reality to find the
building blocks, and those building blocks were close to computer code. Yes,
that was written on Earth that you know that existed
to create a computer, the which you know begs the question, well, hey,

(50:57):
if that's true, then who made that stuff? And how
are we in some kind of weird time warp where
we were created or time loop where we were created,
then created ourselves, then created ourselves, then created ourselves. And
that's an interesting question because it ties into the idea
of whether the universe happened or was created. Yeah, there

(51:19):
you go. So it's it leads to very interesting things.
Which have we done an episode on a holographic universe?
We did an episode on jam and the Holograms did
an episode. I can't wait till that one comes out.
Synergy was a bad Mama Jamma. Synergy was that the
computer as the computer. I don't you know. We did

(51:39):
a video on it. But what we can do is
go through and do an audio version. And I'm just
I just found this talk from April of last year
at the Isaac Asimov Memorial Debate, and it was all
about is the universal simulation? So I think we can
use that and start running. I just figured out how
the Mandela effect works. Smart alec jerks like me say

(52:01):
something exists as a joke and then people remember having
heard that and then get to a place where they
believe that it actually happened. Done you mean, like how
New Zealand doesn't exist exactly. We're sorry, guys, We're sorry.
We made up New Zealand. It was on the we
when we originally put it on the map as a joke.

(52:22):
It was on the wrong side of Australia. Yeah. Yeah, well,
you know, you win some, you lose some. You definitely
don't want to be on the wrong side of Australia.
No no, no, no, no, no no no. Oh. And
by the way, thank you to everyone who wrote in Melbourne,
Brisbane and one other thing. This this is very unpleasant,

(52:42):
but this is something that we do need to talk about.
So nine eleven predictions, maybe just a little bit of
confirmation bias um holographic universe. It's a very fascinating subject.
We'd like to touch on audio. One thing that he

(53:03):
did talk about that was true, and you can call it.
You can call it something that finally couldn't be denied anymore,
or you could chalk it up to a broken clock
being right twice a day. For the younger folks in
the crowd, that's an analog clock, not a digital one,

(53:23):
because they would stop if you get the pictures. You know,
and that is that there was a widespread, widespread, organized
pedophilia or child abuse rings in the UK and the US.
A lot of people have written to us asking us
to look at the Franklin cover up. A lot of
people have written, especially in the wake of the monstrous

(53:47):
actions Jimmy Saville uh. He maintains that he had been
saying this um for a long time since the nineties,
that there was it concerted there was not only organized
abuse of children, but that there were concerted efforts by
people to cover it up. There is darn near smoking

(54:12):
gun evidence that Margaret Thatcher's organization, her her government was
aware of high ranking members of parliament abusing children and
kept the knowledge secret, most likely to blackmail them or
to ensure they played ball, sort of the way that
the n s A could possibly keep information on high

(54:37):
value targets that didn't wanted to influence, the same way
it's alleged that the BBC allowed Savile to do his
stuff when because they're making so much money off the guy. Yeah, yeah,
very similar. So people people will contend that he did
not people will contend that David I is pretend being

(55:00):
that he blew the whistle on Saville when he only
did it after the guy died. But if we don't
focus on that one person, if we focus on the
idea of these organized abuse networks, then the unfortunate truth
is that something like them. The unfortunate truth is that
there is a truth somewhere within that. And we're not

(55:23):
saying that all the more alarming tales of vast satanic
networks are true, but we are saying they are organized
like organized crime is not a conspiracy theory. The mafia
is not a conspiracy theory, right, The idea of powerful
people covering up for each other is not a conspiracy theory.
It is a conspiracy, but not a theory. Oh absolutely.

(55:46):
I mean that's the idea that you look out for
like minded criminals. Yeah, you know, whatever your crime, maybe right,
you still mustard. There's somebody else in your mustard thieving gang.
And I'm not you know, I'm not by any way
saying those things are equal to murder or whatever. But
the problem is that it is true. The citizens of

(56:07):
European countries, particularly the UK and Belgium, do commonly believe
on the valid belief to that they're well connected, highly protected.
Child abuse rings in both countries. So consider Mark d
True in Belgium. The case that first off, we talked

(56:27):
about this a little bit in the past, but this
guy was convicted ultimately of kidnapping two kids who starved
to death. He had probably kidnapped and killed more. He
was working for other people who never really got in
trouble h the I think was sentenced maybe thirty years

(56:49):
or something uh recently, and his trial was going to
a standstill. Witnesses were disappearing, somebody died in a mattress fire.
That was going to talk about larger network, and the
thirty thousand people protested in the streets because they thought
that someone was covering this up. One of the judges

(57:10):
felt their life was threatened and left the case to
save their family. I mean that that's stuff, is that
that stuff is not theoretical, as horrible and frightening and
disgusting as it is and as crazy as some people
might think. David Ike is on that level. He was

(57:32):
onto something that sounds like a whole another episode. And
I know we just covered that type of abuse and
cover ups in the Catholic Church, but that sounds like
a whole Another one I'm not very familiar with that.
Ben was another one that you keep hearing about Hollywood
and that you know, there are forts that have been
you know, years and years old. I believe Corey Feldman

(57:55):
is one that wrote about it in his biography and
kind of blames Corey Hames death on right and Elijah
Would I think is even. He might not have exactly
come out and said that there are cabals of rich
and powerful men, but he has said that he felt
he saw as a child actor, got the sense of
young young actors being passed around at the parties, at

(58:15):
the parties and stuff, which you know, I'm not I
don't know exactly if this is true, but it would
make sense. It's this idea of privileged, rich, powerful men
typically you know, colluding with one another to get what
they want. It's not the most uncommon thing in the world. Yes, unfortunately,

(58:37):
so those are cases where people have said that David
Ike was either onto something they feel he was correct.
He is not, as you can tell through this episode
without controversy. One of the big accusations that he gets
aside from you know, people thinking he has deluded her
accusations of anti Semitism, and this was interesting. There's a book, yeah,

(59:01):
considered a hoax document called The Protocols of Zion. This
book purports to be a genuine account of a conspiracy
to take over the world by by Jewish people, and
an account by like high place powerful Jewish people to
take over the world. For a long time, people would

(59:24):
treat this as though it were real. It's not. It's
it's a hoax. It's a fake and unfortunately it was
used by a lot by many people, including governments, to
discriminate against and to um rationalized torture murder of innocent people.

(59:45):
Henry Ford, by the way, a big fan of that.
But David I believes that it's a real book. But
he believes here's the thing. He believes it's written in code.
He believes that the every time the book uses the
phrase Jews or Jewish, it's code for lizard people. At
least that's his defense. So he says he's not anti

(01:00:07):
Semitic at all, he's anti elite lizard people. Have you
guys seen that episode in the most recent season of
Black Mirror Um where it's sort of about soldiers that
are deployed to take out these reptilian like more like
insect um. Spoilers, spoilers, spoilers, spoilers, spoilers, This part will

(01:00:33):
spoil it. You've been warning don't write to us. Well,
it turns out it was a spoiler. It turns out
that the soldiers have been conditioned to see basically refugees
are people of a different race as these zombie creatures
through some sort of hypnosis or drugging or I can't
remember exactly. I think it's hypnosis. Actually, I mean they're

(01:00:53):
decoding was different exactly exactly. So this seems like a
little bit of a hollow argument here for him to
say that the Jews are really lizard people. Oh yeah,
there's been all. I was looking through Google just to
see what is the latest news about him, Mr Reike,
and what comes up the top hit if you search

(01:01:16):
right now as we're recording. This is from a website
called Jewish News dot Times of Israel dot com, and
it's the headline is calls for Manchester Venue to be
fined for hosting David Ike because he has this is
this is like the biggest other than people saying, you know,

(01:01:36):
calling the guy unbalanced or deluded. This is the biggest
controversy and the biggest question is, Okay, does he really
believe that argument that he's making or is he like
trying to backpedal from something, you know what I mean?
And I'm I'm with I'm with Nolan it. I don't
think it doesn't match a lot of the other arguments

(01:01:59):
that he made throughout the course of his career, you
know what I mean. But does he have a history
of anti Semitism, Like it doesn't seem like in the
early days and the stuff we talked about that that
was necessarily on the table. When did this aspect of
his uh person, Well, yeah, this came after the the
after the path switched in the in the nineties. There

(01:02:22):
he also, you know, he very much has um what
some people call a new age side, right, Yeah, that's
how he struck me. It's almost more like like like
you said, like he was into all the green you know, um,
alternative medicines and all that stuff. Like he struck me
as much more of a peace live and let live

(01:02:42):
kind of dude. Yeah. And that's another thing that makes
and that's something that does seem to come across I
got that sense to when I was reading about this.
That's another thing that UM people find controversial about him.
So they'll say, oh, you're supporting these treatments that aren't working.
So then the idea, you know, like the strongest criticism

(01:03:05):
would be people saying, you know, this doesn't work, and
you're selling it to people in place of or you're
recommending it in place of something that could work. Unmost
like some in our argument that might be made against
anti vexer's right, right, Like, yeah, very similar argument. And
so now the current news which Matt just reported for us, well,

(01:03:26):
that's one piece of it. The other one is that
he's come out against Trump pretty hard, saying that Donald
Trump is part of the Illuminati, which I guess is
expected on one side, but then on the other side,
just as we I think we mentioned last week, maybe
that Alex Jones is totally for Trump and he said

(01:03:48):
he would die for Trump. He said He's ready to
die for Trump. So they would not be hosting your
show together. But how interesting would it be if they did.
I wonder what they would I wonder what their conversation
would be like. There is a video you can find
of David Ike hanging out with Alex Jones on Into Wars.
If you want to look that up, you can find it.
That's cool. I might check that out. I wanna see

(01:04:09):
what they talking about it. I say, political ideology, opinions aside.
If we've had a president, it's probably a member of
the illuminati. I would say Trump is is that guy?
It's funny because a lot of people were saying, you
know a lot of Trump supporters were saying that there
is an Illuminati. The people who believe in it were
saying that there is one, and that he is being

(01:04:31):
vilified because he's not a member of that status quo.
That's exactly what Alex Jones said on on Rogan. He's
like he's fighting against it. I just want look, I've guys,
I searched stuff about the illuminati so often. I even
go to libraries and look at real books, which I
know people don't do enough anymore. And like, if members

(01:04:53):
of the Illuminati are listening right now, can you guys
please just get a decent website. I just want something
that I can go, like, let me go click on
the plan. I'll even turn off my my my proxy
things that keep the cookies from showing up. I just
I just want to know, and I just want you know.
If you're in charge of so much, just take on

(01:05:15):
one more responsibility and that would be a decent website
speaking of weird energy and fantastic seguys. We hope that
we have we We hope that we've explained a little
bit of David Ike's origin story, the controversies and the
things he believes, his supporters, his opponents, and his critics. Uh,

(01:05:37):
we'd also like to hear from you, so let us
know what you think. Is there sand to David Ike's theories?
Is he um? Is he on the money about some stuff?
Is he absolutely wrong about everything? Is he exploiting people?
Is he being exploited any of the questions that we
brought up today, and especially if you want to get

(01:05:58):
into one of the specific beliefs or ideas that exists
in one of the what ten books that are available
now on his website or hundreds of videos on the
YouTube channel, There's so much there. We want to talk
with you about it. Well, what do you say? We? Uh?
We get some listener feedback via the old shot at Corners.

(01:06:23):
First message comes from Grace, who says, my late grandfather
was an n s a code breaker at Fort Meade
during the fifties and sixties, but for obvious reasons, he
didn't talk about it until much later in his life.
He passed on a few years ago, and while he
never gave away any top secret info, one story will
always stick with me. One day, he was filling in

(01:06:45):
for a coworker, breaking foreign codes like a boss when
he intercepted and deciphered intelligence coming from the Russians are
either line of defense on the Chinese border. Well, China
had no idea until the United States informed them, giving
them enough time to respond to Russia's advances. He quite
humbly believed that finding this piece of intelligence was the

(01:07:07):
first step towards improved relations between China and the US.
While I can't confirm that Grandpa was right about that,
I've always enjoyed the story, and I thought you guys
might like it too. Well, that's awesome, you know, thank
you for writing in it. Sounds like your grandfather was
very good, very humble person. Um. Yeah, that story steaks

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with me. Yeah. Well, that's the thing, you know, We
we so often forget that one person really can make
an astonishing difference for good or for ill. And also
that the n s A is doing work with with
you know what I mean. Like a lot of times
when I think about the n s A, I have
negative thoughts about it because of internal well in internal

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spying and all the things that are in the news
and in the zeit. Guys, then you remember, oh, yeah,
they are actually doing their best to stop bad things
from happening everywhere on the planet. Hey, guys, check out
this sweet thirty second degree Mason certificate that a buddy
of mine sent belonged to his grandfather. Whoa nice Yeah,

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it's a legit one too, pretty cool? On are you
going to post it on instance? I don't know. I'm
I mean if I could, if I blur out the names,
I think that'd be okay. Um, I'll ask a friend
of the show, Wesley. It's not official shout out, but
it's a preliminary pre shout out. Okay, it's a wave.
It's a wave before you say something, a wink and

(01:08:39):
a nod. Who's next next? We have a shout out
for Andrew? Or are these shout outs for people are
from people? I don't know what nature from shouting out
to Andrew? So a shout out to Andrew from Andrew,
we go both ways. It's a two way street here
on stuff they don't want you to know. Um, Hey guys,
I work in a hotel. Uh and by the way,

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this is h re the at least a LAMB episode.
Hey guys, I work in a hotel by the Philadelphia Airport.
Every guest had to go through a lobby and there
were a minimum of three cameras that could see each
guest walking in. My question is where are the door
videos to see what other people walked in or may

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have been in the lobby of the hotel. If the
hotel is so CD, then wouldn't they have more videos
of the hotel? I don't know, not necessarily right. I mean,
if it's like a low rent joint, maybe they're getting
by on the minimum security. That's part of what makes it.
If you've got videos in uh, in the elevator like that,

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you've definitely got some more CCTV cameras somewhere. And that's
a good way. If you have an inside the elevator shot,
there's gonna be something in the hallway is going to
be at least a canful at least the lobby for Yeah,
but they don't have to give us that footage. They
released this, you know, I mean, they released this of
their own listen to kind of probably in a way

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give a sense of like, Okay, there was something up
with this girl. We were not at fault. We did
our job, we were doing something. Yeah, that's you know,
that's that's a great question, Andrew, And that got me.
That got me thinking as well. And I'm kind of
on the same page with Mike Patriots here. I think
they just the l a p. D just chose what
to release. I threw us a bone, you know. Um,

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I and not usually that guy, but I I am
probably of the three of us, it was the most
creeped by that episode and feel like maybe there was
some serious potential for some some spell works, some weirdness.
But I also think that between the three of us,
we had the sense that there could have been some
amount of covering up going on as to how what

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led this young woman to be where she ended up,
um meeting her end so tragically. So uh yeah, I
think the fact that only that one camera was released
was trying to place the blame on the victim. And
we we shall also take a moment to think not
just Andrew, Thank you Andrew. But all the people who

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wrote in, uh, in the hospitality industry who were telling
us stuff about how this works. Uh, we had some
great information about what hotel liability is. Uh. And I
won't see your name on the air, my friends, but uh,
the the person who wrote to us and said, well,

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you know, I'm in the UK and at our hotel,
we often get ladies who walk up and just go
to a guest room. Yeah, and the bad things happen sometimes, right,
and to what degree the hotel is liable. We'll we'll
follow up with some of that in the future. In
the meantime, are are very lash out of for today. Uh,

(01:11:55):
we're not sure if this is Kate or Katie, but HI,
we'll we'll go with only because it's spelled k A
y t E, which really pronounce it both ways. Depending Well,
we're hooked on phonics kids, so we'll we'll try for Katie. Um,
Katie says, my name is Katie. I live in southeast
Ohio with my fifteen year old son, who is on

(01:12:17):
the autism spectrum. We don't have television or internet other
than my phone. I stumbled onto your podcast and my
son comes out to listen to. He laughs and he smiles,
He shares comments with me, and we talked for hours
on your topics. He loves listening to you, and he
is excited to see what he finds. This is the
land that time forgot on purpose, and my son and
I are both thinkers. Another note, I love that you

(01:12:39):
were open minded. I am a practicing pagan on a
wicked path, and the lack of immediate judgment is a
breath of fresh air. Finally, I listened to one of
your live broadcast regarding the advancement of technology in our world.
You've addressed how it is becoming more likely that people
integrate technology into self and life. My thought is, has
anyone taken the darker side of human nature and the
likelihood uh of any small portion of the population going

(01:13:02):
the other way? Hunters gathers human prey to the technically
improved Praying on the week. I mean, I think if
you want to see an example of that and pop culture,
look no further than Black Mirror. We bring it up
all the time, or at least I do. I'm hooked
on the thing. Charlie Brooker, who is the creator of
the show and is also kind of like a you
can call him a media critic. He sort of looks

(01:13:24):
at the zeitgeist and does a really good job of
like pulling out tropes and trends and things that have happened. Um,
he's very funny, but he also clearly has a dark streak,
and that showed to me is all about the dark
side of technology. You know, we focus on how it
improves our lives, how it makes us you know, more connected,
whereas this show talks more about the hidden, uh flip

(01:13:48):
side of all of this technology and how in many
ways it makes us more disconnected and alienated and alone
and scared and makes enemies of friends, you know what
I mean. So I really recommend you checking that out,
not for your son. I wouldn't think it's got some
very intense themes, but it's a it's a very very

(01:14:09):
well done show. Yes, Influx And and further, I would
go even even further with the question Katie, which you
talked about the possibly the bad possibilities. Black Mirror is
a great example of various dystopian possibilities in the very
near future. How are the technologically uh technologically advantage not

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already praying on people totally you know what I mean, like,
how how is someone from a wealthy country with all
these amazing things that their fingertips not in some way
participating in exploitation of people who live in countries that
suffer resource extraction just to get the rare minerals right, right,

(01:14:56):
or you know, there's a there's a reason that the
Banana no Wars happened, and it wasn't for any high
faluting ideal about human rights, no matter how it's packaged
for the masses. And it's so easy to forget that
even the least of us in this country, you know,
who might consider ourselves lower middle class, we probably still
have smartphones. You know, we probably still have an Internet connection.

(01:15:19):
We have access to these things, and we sometimes forget
that other countries and people who are much much much
worse off than we are just don't. And and you know,
it's I guess the first world problem kind of thing,
right where it's like, why I want the nicer smartphone
or I want the faster internet connection. But I mean,
we are so absurdly privileged that at times it's a

(01:15:42):
little dizzy ng and it's and people can live in
such bubbles the way the technology that could unite us,
tends to make the species sort of divide. You have
to wonder if that's purposeful or if that's just a
sad effect of our um group psychology. But um, you know.
Another example is Gadaica. That's a pretty good example, right

(01:16:03):
where right where, If you've got the money, you can
afford to pay for the gene therapy. For lack of
a better term, I guess it's really more gene manipulation. Yeah, yeah,
And then sorry, spoiler about from spoiler about Gatica. That's
not really like as the trailers in the It's in

(01:16:25):
the tagline of the movie. Oh boy, okay, thank you
for writing in everyone. And this concludes gosh. This also
concludes our episode, but it does not conclude our show.
Not yet. Not yet. Well, I guess it depends on
what happens. Right. We will be back. We'll be back

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next week, but we will be online all the time.
You can find us on Facebook and Twitter and Instagram.
We are Conspiracy Stuff on the first two and Conspiracy
Stuff Show on the third. One last thing before we
get out of here. We will be in Brooklyn, New York,
at the Bell House on April eight. That's this year.
April eight, we have a show there with the Majority

(01:17:11):
Report with Sam Cedar for the NYC Podfest. We will
be live, we will be podcasting in your face and
you will be right in front of front of us.
You should come out. It's uh, it's gonna be extreme.
It's gonna be so extreme, not that expensive, and so
much fun because we'll get to hang out, take a date.
We'll make you look good. And we're even thinking about
doing a little a little meat up. So if the

(01:17:32):
thought of kicking it with Benn and Nole and Matt.
I just referred to myself from a first name as
though I was some kind of king, spelled n O
l L by the way, not not not true. Yes,
we spelled k in oh w as in the grassy God.

(01:17:53):
I don't even remember where we were. We were talking
about how people should let us know if they want
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um and you know, if you want to do it
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