November 27, 2013 • 19 mins
After the fall of the Nazi regime, the dirty secrets of WWII-era Germany slowly came to public light. Amid the horrors of the Holocaust and bizarre proof of some official's occult aspirations, researchers discovered a wealth of groundbreaking research on aircraft and rocketry. But how far did the Nazis get? Did they really invent aircraft that could explain the old stories about UFOs? Join Ben and Matt as they delve into the secrets of Nazi aircraft research.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
From UFOs two, ghosts and government cover ups. History is
riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or
learn the stuff they don't want you to know. Welcome
to the show. This is stuff they don't want you
to know. My name is Matt Frederick and my name
is Ben Bolling, and today we're going to talk about
(00:23):
something that's a little out there. It's kind of fun.
I enjoyed a lot fun. Yeah, this is fun, man,
I enjoyed this topic. You don't you know? Yeah, wait, no,
I'm good, I'm good. I'm good with it. I just
I guess I can see how some of it is
is fun because because it's real history, his real history
combined with some of the little crazier stuff. It's exactly
(00:44):
the it's the perfect spot where here there are the facts,
and here's where it gets crazy meat, at least for me. Okay, okay,
I see what you're saying. So let's let the let
the badger out of the bag here, let the cat
out of the got in the bag. Now, let's let
the World War two badger get out of the bag
(01:04):
here and talk about Nazis, the Nazi Party, Uh well,
not specifically, just the Nazis, right something else because you guys,
Matt Night run into Nazi topics fairly often. They're a
bit pervasive in the conspiracy world, right, And one of
the reasons they're so pervasive is that there is often
(01:28):
a grain of truth to the claims. Now, a lot
of the claims may get exaggerated, but it is true
that the Nazis tried a lot of weird stuff. Man,
they got weird with it. And I think that some
of the insanity of the regime there, which did have
catastrophic and tragic consequences um that have scarred the world
(01:51):
the present day, even uh, it came from a kind
of underlying really bis our place and uh and this
all leads us to today's episode, which is not just Nazis,
but one of our mutual favorite topics, Nazi UFOs. You know,
(02:14):
I just realized been. I think that's the longest it's
ever taken for us to get to the actual topic, right,
which you know it's in the title. When someone wanted
to click and listen to this, we could have just
jumped in. It's fun, though I enjulated doing it this way.
So in uh, in World War two, some interesting things happen, uh,
(02:35):
fighter pilots and uh, I guess even some civilian pilots
for the Allies start reporting something they call foo fighters.
Food fighters are these points of light that follow along
with the aircraft or seem to do um do physics
defying aerial maneuvers. Uh. The pilots don't know what they are,
(02:58):
they don't know where they're coming for. Um Well, and
one of the reasons a lot of these pilots thought
it was something otherworldly or something from the Nazis, some
high tech things, because there are all these rumors occurring
at the time about insane Nazi technology in these in
these different areas and propulsion and um planes, short and
(03:20):
even submarines and all this kind of stuff. So I
think the pilots were more I don't know, it was
almost like they were looking for something, so they were
more prone to believe it. Maybe that had a confirmation
bias exactly. Yeah. And the thing is that this leads
us to the these two facts together they lead us
to today's question, did the Nazis really have secret technology?
(03:44):
Did they have something that would be like a UFO.
Before we continue, though, there's one thing that we do
have to point out, and that is that all a
UFO is is an unidentified flying object act. It could
be a bird, it could be Superman, it could it
(04:06):
could be something that came off of a propeller. It
could just be you know, a very confused fish. Yes,
and the but the cool thing about the the food
fighters is that those are trained pilots who would normally
know pretty much anything that's flying near them what it is,
and they could probably tell you exactly, oh this is
a blank right yeah, and they're telling you, I have
(04:30):
no idea what this thing was, and it was doing
things physical that physically defy other planes. That's a very
good point because these are not just green pilots. These
are experienced combat veterans in many cases. But with that
being said that a UFO we often almost always here
it associated with aliens or extra terrestrials. It might just
(04:54):
be a misidentified aircraft. Um. But when we go to
a Nazi technolo, man, I'm gonna I'm gonna give this
one to you, here's where it gets crazy. They absolutely
we're trying secretive technology, new innovative things. You can look
at a lot of inventions or how would the projects
(05:14):
the R and D You can look a lot of
the aren't You can look at a lot of the
R and D projects, like the Horton h O to
two nine, That is my favorite. The Horton brothers, they
were really innovative in Uh. Was that jet propulsion? Yeah,
they were. They were experts in aerodynamic design, jet propulsion.
They were They're essentially aerospace engineers and rocket treatment in
(05:37):
a lot of ways. Uh, The Nazis had real life
rocket scientists who were doing work that was far, far
beyond stuff that Russia, the British, the French, the United States,
even the Japanese were doing. And this this is interesting
because the grain of truth is there. Or the Horton
(06:01):
hoe to to nine was built in a flying wing
design that was revolutionary for the time. It is very,
very difficult to overstate how crazy this thing was. Now
did it work while the Allies won the war? And
there were there was never a fleet of Horton hose
(06:21):
that we know of flying around. But that's not the
only thing. The Nazis also had other attempts to make,
even like flying disc like um the sack A S six.
But what this gives us is this gives us a
couple of things. This gives us the knowledge that, yes,
there really were unorthodox experiments with flying vehicles. And the
(06:46):
question is how many of these made it to the
drawing board, how many of them never made it off
the drawing board, How many of them actually got tested
in flight? Uh? There there a few provable cases of it,
so not very many, but there are provable cases where
we know that Nazi scientists did exhibit this, and of
(07:06):
course let alone. Uh that's not even counting their their
unmanned flight research, their rocketry programs. Now, now here's where
the skeptical side of me comes in. Okay, I've seen
the pictures of the Horton h O and the sax
A s S six and they don't sound anything like
what these food fighters looked like, or at least the
(07:28):
reports of the food fighters. You know, that's a great
that's a great point, and I think that it's a
very important point to make at this time because they
descriptions of the food fighters not sound like terrestrial vehicles.
They sound like some sort of weird sentient light. And um,
we'll see when when I hear it. Just from being
(07:48):
in video production and working with cameras and lenses a
lot It sounds like a weird lens flare to me,
and I would love to see footage of it, just
to really analyze it and look at the angles and
direction where they're light. Yeah, and it's weird because a
lot of the a lot of the pilots of this time,
of course, they didn't have recording equipment. Necessarily, they had audio,
(08:12):
and there might be some records of that audio. But
who knows. What happened to most of them and food
fighters could be explained by any number of let's call
them mundane explanations. I love lens flare. I think that's
a strong candidate. There's also the idea that could be
some sort of electrical discharge, right um or maybe people
were suffering from some sort of disorientation or vertigo um.
(08:36):
Or maybe we can't attribute this to a single cause,
you know, maybe it's looking back in retrospect that gives
us them, gives us the tendency to group all of
these things as one type of events, you know, and
I think I think it's possible. But um. Also, let's
(08:59):
keep in mind there's another role here which I guess
they should have mentioned earlier, and that's wartime propaganda. Both sides. Yeah,
that little guy. Yeah, so both sides um World War two,
the Allies and the access powers. We're just rowing bs
at each other left and right. Uh, doing propaganda for
(09:20):
the citizens when they could get access to radio waves
and stuff, doing um dropping leaflets and then having spies
dispersed rumors about you know, uh anything from American and
Nazi Superman's like real life Captain America's. You know, it's
so weird to me trying to play and trying to
(09:41):
negatively affect the morale of the other side that it's
so interesting to me. It's a strange game of chess
in a way, and it has some um, it has
intangible powerful effects. But with that in mind, we have
to ask ourselves ourselves, is the idea of Nazi secret
tech analogy? Did the exaggeration come from history later or
(10:04):
did it come directly from the Nazis? Did they happen
to play up these claims a little bit more? Um,
I'll tell you what. The one thing we do know
is that where people will say that we're remiss if
we don't mention this. The Brotherhood of the Bell is
um a book that came out in English that comes
(10:26):
from and it was originally the idea was fostered by
a Polish writer. Then this Polish writer claimed that he
had spoken with some ex Polish Intelligence agency members and
that they said they had interviewed some Nazis in the
wake of World War Two, and that one of these Nazis,
a high ranking official in the in the regime, had
(10:49):
had revealed to them that the scientists, the Access scientists,
had cracked the code on what would essentially be anti gravity,
negating the normal effect of gravity, and that they have
built something that looked like a bell, and that this
bell was able to uh, somehow defy the bounds of
(11:09):
physics and travel at incredible speeds, make sharp corners, um.
And another thing, I know, I'm going kind of off
the deep ends here, Matt. Another thing that's really interesting
is in some ancient Indian myths there are descriptions of
flying machines that were understood to work off of some
(11:31):
yeah yeah, good call and that I can't remember. Is
this the Punisha where these are at? Okay, Well, somebody
will tell us if we're wrong, and I will I
will look back and correct that. But the the story here,
um becomes a game of connecting very tenuous dots or
making very tenuous connections between dots. Uh, there's another thing
(11:53):
called the Kecksburg incident which people can look up for
more information. And don't know if we touch on that
in our video. I don't think we did. Okay, Well,
that is something that we will probably return to in
the future. Then. But with all this, what I'm saying
here is, with with all of this, a lot of
the emphasis on Nazi UFOs entered the mainstream after the
(12:14):
publication of these books. Now, of course the Polish author
doesn't have um tangible proof that he can offer, and
of course a lot of the people who make claims
about the so called Nazi bell and stuff don't have
the most credibility, let's put it that way, the most. Yeah,
they don't have the most credibility in the world. And uh,
(12:36):
there is a site, Uh, there is a site in Europe, however,
that is a flooded mine. Yeah. You remember the concrete
structure the allegedly housed. Yes, and that was again allegedly
a secret testing ground. Now, because the mind is flooded,
(12:56):
people haven't been able to secure access to the I
guess the the entirety of the mind. So people really
don't know what's down there, and who knows, Man, who
knows what they would find down there. I'm going to
say probably a lot of corpses and mining equipment, but
there could be something else. The only way to know
(13:17):
is to go down there. Oh, man, what that would
be so awesome if that was actually there, hidden deep
inside that mine and some divers went in there, and
I guess what, we're making a movie. We're making a movie.
They're gonna make a movie about that? Is it Nicolas
Nicolas Cage? Nicolas Cage? In the Nazi minds, it would
be a sequel. It would be a sequel to National Treasure, Yeah,
(13:40):
the third or fourth one. Yeah, I don't know if
you can even call it the sequel at that point,
it's just like fifth in the series. And would a
Nazi bell, remnants of the Nazi bell really be a
national treasure? I guess it depends on the nation. So
the one thing that we can say that is a
that is a little bit more of the grain of
truth stuff. So we've mentioned some of the more provocative claims,
(14:04):
and we've also mentioned I think that while there is
some proof, it seems that a lot of the A
lot of the grain of truth aspect of this has
been exaggerated. So let's talk about one of the strangest things. Um. Oh,
We're gonna get to the closest that we know approvable
(14:24):
Nazi UFOs, however indirectly, and that starts with a little
something called Operation paper Clip. Yewah. This is when scientists,
German scientists, after the war, after Worlar two, they came
over to the US and they started working for US
agencies like NASA UM or was it NASA at the time.
(14:45):
I guess it wasn't. Well, they started working for UM
the War Department directly. They also started working with some
private arms contractors, defense contractors. And the Operation paper Clip
was top secret because let's remember that after the close
of the war and the discovery of various acts of
genocide on the part of Nazi Germany, people were not
(15:11):
trying to invite anyone affiliated with the regime into any
sort of safety, you know, And so Operation paper Clip
was conducted in secret, and the OSS, precursor to the CIA,
worked too craft identities for these German scientists, um, several
of whom were yes, working against their will. Uh So
(15:33):
I'm not saying that all of these people were you know,
trigger happy murderers or something. Um. But they they were
affiliated with this regime. They were doing work for the
Nazi government. Uh. The United States did uh cast that aside,
give them some form of immunity, UH, take them away
(15:54):
to the United States and have them continue their rocketry research. Um. Directly,
I would think of Verna von Braun, who was one
of the leading researchers in the US and rocketry after
his time with the Nazis. This uh, this stuff that
they worked on allowed them to advance U S rocketry,
(16:18):
of course, way past where it was when they began,
and way faster than anybody thought they would, which leads
us to ultimately the descendants of the secret Nazi technology,
in particular that flying Wington at least that's the one
that I think of as the best example, which then
(16:39):
became stealth bomber. Yeah. Yeah, the principles behind that used there.
And I'm thinking even more, if we want to go
to space with it, if we want to take the
alien idea of a UFO, then the rocketry work by
these former Nazi scientists ultimately led to the ability to
(17:00):
you create the rockets that we would need to take
human beings into space, which means that NASA created something
uh a ufo I guess descended from Nazi technology. So
weirdly enough, space shuttles are one of the best examples
(17:21):
of secret Nazi technology doing amazing things. It is pretty crazy,
but it's also, um, it's also kind of work in
progress because we have to realize that at this point
a lot of the story is still classified, which which
just baffles me. But you know, um, information about Pearl
(17:42):
Harbor is still classified to a degree haven't been released. Yeah. Sorry, no,
it's fun. It's literally stuff they don't want you to know. Uh.
So we've explored some of the some of the claims
about Nazi UFOs, and we have a pretty exciting time
(18:02):
ahead of us, I think for anybody who's interested in
this topic, because there is so much more speculation out there,
but there's also so much more to discover. Who knows,
who knows what files might be rotting in a filing
cabinet somewhere in Eastern Europe, you know, who knows what's uh,
what's sitting there in a bank basement in the Kremlin,
(18:23):
And we're in a flooded mine right exactly in a
flooded mind. And with that we will will tie up
this episode and thank you guys as always for listening.
We do hope that you enjoyed our exploration of the
strange story of Nazi UFOs. You know what I'd like
to ask for, Matt, if we have anybody who feels
(18:43):
they've had an experience with a food fighter, I'd love
to hear that description. Now I'm not talking about Dave Girl, okay,
because I've had one of those. You have have have
one of those? Uh. The the things that we'd like
to hear about our your thoughts on see great Nazi technology?
Has it been suppressed or has it simply been exaggerated? Uh?
(19:06):
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(19:26):
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From UFOs two, ghosts and government cover ups. History is
riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or
learn the stuff they don't want you to know. Welcome
to the show. This is stuff they don't want you
to know. My name is Matt Frederick and my name
is Ben Bolling, and today we're going to talk about
(00:23):
something that's a little out there. It's kind of fun.
I enjoyed a lot fun. Yeah, this is fun, man,
I enjoyed this topic. You don't you know? Yeah, wait, no,
I'm good, I'm good. I'm good with it. I just
I guess I can see how some of it is
is fun because because it's real history, his real history
combined with some of the little crazier stuff. It's exactly
(00:44):
the it's the perfect spot where here there are the facts,
and here's where it gets crazy meat, at least for me. Okay, okay,
I see what you're saying. So let's let the let
the badger out of the bag here, let the cat
out of the got in the bag. Now, let's let
the World War two badger get out of the bag
(01:04):
here and talk about Nazis, the Nazi Party, Uh well,
not specifically, just the Nazis, right something else because you guys,
Matt Night run into Nazi topics fairly often. They're a
bit pervasive in the conspiracy world, right, And one of
the reasons they're so pervasive is that there is often
(01:28):
a grain of truth to the claims. Now, a lot
of the claims may get exaggerated, but it is true
that the Nazis tried a lot of weird stuff. Man,
they got weird with it. And I think that some
of the insanity of the regime there, which did have
catastrophic and tragic consequences um that have scarred the world
(01:51):
the present day, even uh, it came from a kind
of underlying really bis our place and uh and this
all leads us to today's episode, which is not just Nazis,
but one of our mutual favorite topics, Nazi UFOs. You know,
(02:14):
I just realized been. I think that's the longest it's
ever taken for us to get to the actual topic, right,
which you know it's in the title. When someone wanted
to click and listen to this, we could have just
jumped in. It's fun, though I enjulated doing it this way.
So in uh, in World War two, some interesting things happen, uh,
(02:35):
fighter pilots and uh, I guess even some civilian pilots
for the Allies start reporting something they call foo fighters.
Food fighters are these points of light that follow along
with the aircraft or seem to do um do physics
defying aerial maneuvers. Uh. The pilots don't know what they are,
(02:58):
they don't know where they're coming for. Um Well, and
one of the reasons a lot of these pilots thought
it was something otherworldly or something from the Nazis, some
high tech things, because there are all these rumors occurring
at the time about insane Nazi technology in these in
these different areas and propulsion and um planes, short and
(03:20):
even submarines and all this kind of stuff. So I
think the pilots were more I don't know, it was
almost like they were looking for something, so they were
more prone to believe it. Maybe that had a confirmation
bias exactly. Yeah. And the thing is that this leads
us to the these two facts together they lead us
to today's question, did the Nazis really have secret technology?
(03:44):
Did they have something that would be like a UFO.
Before we continue, though, there's one thing that we do
have to point out, and that is that all a
UFO is is an unidentified flying object act. It could
be a bird, it could be Superman, it could it
(04:06):
could be something that came off of a propeller. It
could just be you know, a very confused fish. Yes,
and the but the cool thing about the the food
fighters is that those are trained pilots who would normally
know pretty much anything that's flying near them what it is,
and they could probably tell you exactly, oh this is
a blank right yeah, and they're telling you, I have
(04:30):
no idea what this thing was, and it was doing
things physical that physically defy other planes. That's a very
good point because these are not just green pilots. These
are experienced combat veterans in many cases. But with that
being said that a UFO we often almost always here
it associated with aliens or extra terrestrials. It might just
(04:54):
be a misidentified aircraft. Um. But when we go to
a Nazi technolo, man, I'm gonna I'm gonna give this
one to you, here's where it gets crazy. They absolutely
we're trying secretive technology, new innovative things. You can look
at a lot of inventions or how would the projects
(05:14):
the R and D You can look a lot of
the aren't You can look at a lot of the
R and D projects, like the Horton h O to
two nine, That is my favorite. The Horton brothers, they
were really innovative in Uh. Was that jet propulsion? Yeah,
they were. They were experts in aerodynamic design, jet propulsion.
They were They're essentially aerospace engineers and rocket treatment in
(05:37):
a lot of ways. Uh, The Nazis had real life
rocket scientists who were doing work that was far, far
beyond stuff that Russia, the British, the French, the United States,
even the Japanese were doing. And this this is interesting
because the grain of truth is there. Or the Horton
(06:01):
hoe to to nine was built in a flying wing
design that was revolutionary for the time. It is very,
very difficult to overstate how crazy this thing was. Now
did it work while the Allies won the war? And
there were there was never a fleet of Horton hose
(06:21):
that we know of flying around. But that's not the
only thing. The Nazis also had other attempts to make,
even like flying disc like um the sack A S six.
But what this gives us is this gives us a
couple of things. This gives us the knowledge that, yes,
there really were unorthodox experiments with flying vehicles. And the
(06:46):
question is how many of these made it to the
drawing board, how many of them never made it off
the drawing board, How many of them actually got tested
in flight? Uh? There there a few provable cases of it,
so not very many, but there are provable cases where
we know that Nazi scientists did exhibit this, and of
(07:06):
course let alone. Uh that's not even counting their their
unmanned flight research, their rocketry programs. Now, now here's where
the skeptical side of me comes in. Okay, I've seen
the pictures of the Horton h O and the sax
A s S six and they don't sound anything like
what these food fighters looked like, or at least the
(07:28):
reports of the food fighters. You know, that's a great
that's a great point, and I think that it's a
very important point to make at this time because they
descriptions of the food fighters not sound like terrestrial vehicles.
They sound like some sort of weird sentient light. And um,
we'll see when when I hear it. Just from being
(07:48):
in video production and working with cameras and lenses a
lot It sounds like a weird lens flare to me,
and I would love to see footage of it, just
to really analyze it and look at the angles and
direction where they're light. Yeah, and it's weird because a
lot of the a lot of the pilots of this time,
of course, they didn't have recording equipment. Necessarily, they had audio,
(08:12):
and there might be some records of that audio. But
who knows. What happened to most of them and food
fighters could be explained by any number of let's call
them mundane explanations. I love lens flare. I think that's
a strong candidate. There's also the idea that could be
some sort of electrical discharge, right um or maybe people
were suffering from some sort of disorientation or vertigo um.
(08:36):
Or maybe we can't attribute this to a single cause,
you know, maybe it's looking back in retrospect that gives
us them, gives us the tendency to group all of
these things as one type of events, you know, and
I think I think it's possible. But um. Also, let's
(08:59):
keep in mind there's another role here which I guess
they should have mentioned earlier, and that's wartime propaganda. Both sides. Yeah,
that little guy. Yeah, so both sides um World War two,
the Allies and the access powers. We're just rowing bs
at each other left and right. Uh, doing propaganda for
(09:20):
the citizens when they could get access to radio waves
and stuff, doing um dropping leaflets and then having spies
dispersed rumors about you know, uh anything from American and
Nazi Superman's like real life Captain America's. You know, it's
so weird to me trying to play and trying to
(09:41):
negatively affect the morale of the other side that it's
so interesting to me. It's a strange game of chess
in a way, and it has some um, it has
intangible powerful effects. But with that in mind, we have
to ask ourselves ourselves, is the idea of Nazi secret
tech analogy? Did the exaggeration come from history later or
(10:04):
did it come directly from the Nazis? Did they happen
to play up these claims a little bit more? Um,
I'll tell you what. The one thing we do know
is that where people will say that we're remiss if
we don't mention this. The Brotherhood of the Bell is
um a book that came out in English that comes
(10:26):
from and it was originally the idea was fostered by
a Polish writer. Then this Polish writer claimed that he
had spoken with some ex Polish Intelligence agency members and
that they said they had interviewed some Nazis in the
wake of World War Two, and that one of these Nazis,
a high ranking official in the in the regime, had
(10:49):
had revealed to them that the scientists, the Access scientists,
had cracked the code on what would essentially be anti gravity,
negating the normal effect of gravity, and that they have
built something that looked like a bell, and that this
bell was able to uh, somehow defy the bounds of
(11:09):
physics and travel at incredible speeds, make sharp corners, um.
And another thing, I know, I'm going kind of off
the deep ends here, Matt. Another thing that's really interesting
is in some ancient Indian myths there are descriptions of
flying machines that were understood to work off of some
(11:31):
yeah yeah, good call and that I can't remember. Is
this the Punisha where these are at? Okay, Well, somebody
will tell us if we're wrong, and I will I
will look back and correct that. But the the story here,
um becomes a game of connecting very tenuous dots or
making very tenuous connections between dots. Uh, there's another thing
(11:53):
called the Kecksburg incident which people can look up for
more information. And don't know if we touch on that
in our video. I don't think we did. Okay, Well,
that is something that we will probably return to in
the future. Then. But with all this, what I'm saying
here is, with with all of this, a lot of
the emphasis on Nazi UFOs entered the mainstream after the
(12:14):
publication of these books. Now, of course the Polish author
doesn't have um tangible proof that he can offer, and
of course a lot of the people who make claims
about the so called Nazi bell and stuff don't have
the most credibility, let's put it that way, the most. Yeah,
they don't have the most credibility in the world. And uh,
(12:36):
there is a site, Uh, there is a site in Europe, however,
that is a flooded mine. Yeah. You remember the concrete
structure the allegedly housed. Yes, and that was again allegedly
a secret testing ground. Now, because the mind is flooded,
(12:56):
people haven't been able to secure access to the I
guess the the entirety of the mind. So people really
don't know what's down there, and who knows, Man, who
knows what they would find down there. I'm going to
say probably a lot of corpses and mining equipment, but
there could be something else. The only way to know
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is to go down there. Oh, man, what that would
be so awesome if that was actually there, hidden deep
inside that mine and some divers went in there, and
I guess what, we're making a movie. We're making a movie.
They're gonna make a movie about that? Is it Nicolas
Nicolas Cage? Nicolas Cage? In the Nazi minds, it would
be a sequel. It would be a sequel to National Treasure, Yeah,
(13:40):
the third or fourth one. Yeah, I don't know if
you can even call it the sequel at that point,
it's just like fifth in the series. And would a
Nazi bell, remnants of the Nazi bell really be a
national treasure? I guess it depends on the nation. So
the one thing that we can say that is a
that is a little bit more of the grain of
truth stuff. So we've mentioned some of the more provocative claims,
(14:04):
and we've also mentioned I think that while there is
some proof, it seems that a lot of the A
lot of the grain of truth aspect of this has
been exaggerated. So let's talk about one of the strangest things. Um. Oh,
We're gonna get to the closest that we know approvable
(14:24):
Nazi UFOs, however indirectly, and that starts with a little
something called Operation paper Clip. Yewah. This is when scientists,
German scientists, after the war, after Worlar two, they came
over to the US and they started working for US
agencies like NASA UM or was it NASA at the time.
(14:45):
I guess it wasn't. Well, they started working for UM
the War Department directly. They also started working with some
private arms contractors, defense contractors. And the Operation paper Clip
was top secret because let's remember that after the close
of the war and the discovery of various acts of
genocide on the part of Nazi Germany, people were not
(15:11):
trying to invite anyone affiliated with the regime into any
sort of safety, you know, And so Operation paper Clip
was conducted in secret, and the OSS, precursor to the CIA,
worked too craft identities for these German scientists, um, several
of whom were yes, working against their will. Uh So
(15:33):
I'm not saying that all of these people were you know,
trigger happy murderers or something. Um. But they they were
affiliated with this regime. They were doing work for the
Nazi government. Uh. The United States did uh cast that aside,
give them some form of immunity, UH, take them away
(15:54):
to the United States and have them continue their rocketry research. Um. Directly,
I would think of Verna von Braun, who was one
of the leading researchers in the US and rocketry after
his time with the Nazis. This uh, this stuff that
they worked on allowed them to advance U S rocketry,
(16:18):
of course, way past where it was when they began,
and way faster than anybody thought they would, which leads
us to ultimately the descendants of the secret Nazi technology,
in particular that flying Wington at least that's the one
that I think of as the best example, which then
(16:39):
became stealth bomber. Yeah. Yeah, the principles behind that used there.
And I'm thinking even more, if we want to go
to space with it, if we want to take the
alien idea of a UFO, then the rocketry work by
these former Nazi scientists ultimately led to the ability to
(17:00):
you create the rockets that we would need to take
human beings into space, which means that NASA created something
uh a ufo I guess descended from Nazi technology. So
weirdly enough, space shuttles are one of the best examples
(17:21):
of secret Nazi technology doing amazing things. It is pretty crazy,
but it's also, um, it's also kind of work in
progress because we have to realize that at this point
a lot of the story is still classified, which which
just baffles me. But you know, um, information about Pearl
(17:42):
Harbor is still classified to a degree haven't been released. Yeah. Sorry, no,
it's fun. It's literally stuff they don't want you to know. Uh.
So we've explored some of the some of the claims
about Nazi UFOs, and we have a pretty exciting time
(18:02):
ahead of us, I think for anybody who's interested in
this topic, because there is so much more speculation out there,
but there's also so much more to discover. Who knows,
who knows what files might be rotting in a filing
cabinet somewhere in Eastern Europe, you know, who knows what's uh,
what's sitting there in a bank basement in the Kremlin,
(18:23):
And we're in a flooded mine right exactly in a
flooded mind. And with that we will will tie up
this episode and thank you guys as always for listening.
We do hope that you enjoyed our exploration of the
strange story of Nazi UFOs. You know what I'd like
to ask for, Matt, if we have anybody who feels
(18:43):
they've had an experience with a food fighter, I'd love
to hear that description. Now I'm not talking about Dave Girl, okay,
because I've had one of those. You have have have
one of those? Uh. The the things that we'd like
to hear about our your thoughts on see great Nazi technology?
Has it been suppressed or has it simply been exaggerated? Uh?
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