July 20, 2023 • 47 mins
Yenna politely asks the guys to stop ruining seafood; Little Girl on a Little Island raises concerns about US imperialism. Chris from Atlanta might be haunted. Nemesis prompts a conversation about the possibly insidious nature of various online sign-in services. All this and more in this week's listener mail segment.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:24):
Hello, welcome back to the show.
Speaker 3 (00:25):
My name is Matt, my name is Noel.
Speaker 4 (00:27):
They call me Ben. We're joined as always with our
super producer Alexis, code named Doc Holliday Jackson. Most importantly,
you are you. You are here, and that makes this
the stuff they don't want you to know, as the
calindrical prow flies. It is Thursday if you're hearing this,
and it is time for one of our favorite things
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we do on the show. In between our episodes, we
have a listener male segment where we crowdsource with you.
You and your fellow conspiracy realist are the stars of
our weekly listener mail segment. We're going to have some
shout outs around the world. We got a lot of
feedback on our recent Vibes episode. We're going to explore
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that one of our pals in Atlanta might be haunted
and there are some serious worries about signing in online.
Following up as we were talking about earlier. Following up
on our recent conversations regarding privacy. Before we get to that,
I just went to a quick shout out at the top,
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you guys, shout out to our longtime listener Yena. This
is just a really short one. We won't read it
in full, but our pal Yenna, who was a longtime
listener in Maine and actually reached out to us for
using the phrase down sella thanks to our pal Andrew
Howard of follow Maynor. Jenna wrote to us and said,
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since we aired a story about Lobster being potentially late
to a couple of deletorious health conditions in New Brunswick,
they haven't looked at Lobster the same and they say,
I live in Portland, Maine, Lobster is like one of
the best things about living in Portland, Maine. That's true,
and ask if we could follow up on this with
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an update on the show. We will have this on
the way. We've got our eyes and our technacles on it.
But most importantly, Yenna, we want to say, with great affection,
we hope you enjoyed the episode where we ruin caned Seafood.
Speaker 1 (02:33):
If you haven't checked.
Speaker 4 (02:34):
That one out, then give it a listen and tell
us what you think we also got an interesting email.
I think you guys saw it as well, from Little
Girl in a Little Island. It's a great yeah, yeah,
and this person writes to us with some strange news
from Palau, which I don't believe is making a lot
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of a lot of waves here in the US. Essentially,
Little Girl in a Little Island, as a US citizen
who was born and raised in the southern West coast
of the US and liked it for some time, described
their childhood as the epitome of an American dream. And
then when her extended family was growing older, her family
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relocated back to the island. And there's a lot going
on in this part of the world that the US
has huge influence on that the US public is not
generally aware of. You know, we've talked about nuclear experiments
back in the day in the Marshall Islands. We've talked
a little bit in the past about other nefarious activities
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Uncle Sam has engaged with in you know, places like Diego,
Garcia and so on. But this part stood out to me.
Loved to hear everybody's thoughts. Little Girl from a Little
Island says, my country is a quote freely associated state
with the US so pretty much we accept usaid chump change.
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Think like twenty mili a year in exchange for the
chance to be colonized. Uncle Sam is finally gone to
cash his chips. And there are soldiers everywhere. Our once
quiet skies are now filled with noisy military jets are
already crowded, streets are being worn by military vehicles that
are in these streets are not built for heavy equipment.
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There are even a couple of Patriot missile launching systems
and missiles themselves on the island. I'm miserable. It's like
everything I was running from followed me home. I'm devastated.
US military get the out of my country. Being very
polite little girl on a little island, said GTFO. But
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we'll do away with the niceties. When we're talking about imperialism,
What do you guys think about this?
Speaker 3 (04:55):
Off the top of.
Speaker 4 (04:56):
The dome or there's some compelling reasons that the US
would be increasing the militarization of US forces on these
sovereign countries.
Speaker 3 (05:06):
Yeah, strategic perhaps.
Speaker 2 (05:08):
I mean, we're all getting ready for World War three.
Every country in the world is getting ready for it.
We just cluster bombs to Ukraine. That's a great idea.
Speaker 4 (05:20):
Yeah, there are more. There are more toys on the way. Yeah,
and we're doing an episode on the Chip War as
well in the future. It just it seems like the
people of this country, I think it's okay to say
it's plow. The people here are not really being given
an opportunity to say whether or not they want a
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foreign military power occupying slash colonizing their land.
Speaker 2 (05:50):
Isn't that kind of them though? Of you know, of
a force like you know, the United States military and
the Navy, and I've so many other powers like that.
You kind of show up once you establish a base
of any kind there.
Speaker 3 (06:08):
Yeah, I mean I always forget how many countries there
are US military presence in and it's not like on
paper we're quote unquote occupying them, but through you know,
deals that have taken place in the past, those presences
just remain, you know, like like Germany. I mean there's
a huge military presence there and that's where I grew up.
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I literally grew up in Germany because my father was
the choir director at a church on a US military base.
Speaker 4 (06:38):
And it seems reminiscent perhaps of the island hopping strategies
that occurred in World War Two in the Pacific Theater
between Japanese forces and the US forces. It also these
are little chess moves, right, It's kind of like how
France passed that sketchy service valence law, completely cognizant that
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they are going to use that against domestic descent, even
if it's just peaceful protesting this. It seems like a
move little girl on a little island, for the US
to better position itself for a possible hot war or
maritime conflict with China, depending on how things go in Taiwan.
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That's the guess, right, Does that seem like the most
obvious guess, just given the the expense involved in getting
all that stuff out there m m.
Speaker 3 (07:32):
And then once it's there and just kind of set
up shop. You mentioned Ben in your travels abroad as well. You,
but also other friends I have that have been in
the Navy, you know, spend tons of time in Korea
and in Japan. And I mean it really is just
like we kind of police the world in a weird way.
I mean, not police, it's all in ways that benefit
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us or to kind of keep us, you know, unilaterally present.
Speaker 4 (08:00):
The force projection. For a long time post World War Two,
the United States, through the Navy and through various other institutions,
ensured the safety of international shipping lanes, right ensure the
predictability and sustainability financially at least of global trade, and
increasingly this really hot topic in the world of foreign affairs.
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Increasingly the current US administration is seen as pulling away
from that role, kind of deglobalizing its power or its
existence as an ubiquitous superpower. What does that mean for
the world. No one's really sure at this point. And
what does that mean if a global conflict breaks out?
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No one sure either. And that's why there are that's
I would posit, that's why we see various world powers
that want to be the next hedgemon putting their anchor
holes on their anchor their anchor heads, of their footholds
in places far away from home, so that they don't
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have to cross the Pacific to touch you if something
goes wrong. And that's that's a scary thing to think
about it. I think collectively it gives all of us
a bad vibe.
Speaker 3 (09:20):
Because it's like a segue vibes into the film. We're
gonna do some Film Corner with with Ben about the
excellent piece of cinema that is Vibes the movie. It
should be called Vibes the movie, just just to separate
it from Vibes the concepts. Sure, what happened? Why didn't
they make Vibes too? I feel like, didn't it sort
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of have the potential for a sequel? Honestly, I'm sorry
to go Vibes fanboaight for a second, but that movie
is like as good as Ghostbusters. I'm just good. I
will die on that hill. I really like the movie.
Speaker 1 (09:55):
That's nice to say.
Speaker 4 (09:56):
Yeah, it's it's definitely some. It's definitely we something we
enjoy on the show, and we did. I think in
that episode we did a pretty good job of exploring
the concept of Vibes and not going too deep into
that amazing film, And we knew we would get a
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lot of responses, so we just wanted to share a
couple of these responses that we got. One that was
really interesting was from Dan, and Dan says he was
listening to the episode about Vibes and had a theory
or some speculation about that study we cited regarding rating
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professors based on ten seconds of silent video remember that one.
Nsley nuts, Yeah, because what is it If they had
to write down how they would judge the professor beforehand,
their conclusions were less likely to match the conclusions of
the students in the class the entire time. It's very
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weird and counterintuitive. And Dan brings up something that I
had not heard of, a phrase I had not heard of,
and says, could the correlation between their rating and the
rating of the students who had taken the class not
also be explained by both groups making the same jump
to conclusion decisions because of hereditary heuristics or whatever? And
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then the semester long kids not changing their mind appreciably.
You know the old adage about first impressions, just the thought.
Keep it up, guys, Thanks Dan. Hereditary heuristics, it's very interesting.
Speaker 3 (11:37):
That's a great word. There's a Brian Eno song where
he talks about the heuristics of the mystics, and I
just think that's one of the most clever rhyme schemes
I've ever heard.
Speaker 4 (11:48):
Yeah. One of the fiction worlds I write, heuristics are
treated as a superpower. But essentially heuristics is it's a
fancy word for mental short cuts that all human brains
use to solve problems in a quick way that is
not perfect but good enough to work. You know what
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I mean. Someone throws something at you, then you instantly
your brain makes a calculation, can I get this is
just a bottle of the breeze I have here? I'm
sure it's terrible for the world. But someone throws a
bottle of for breeze that you your brain, without much
conscious thought, will quickly make the calculation one, do I
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catch this? Do I flee from it?
Speaker 3 (12:34):
Right?
Speaker 4 (12:34):
And then how do I catch it? And that's that's
an example of like touristics, right, figuring out how to
untie a knot, you know, all these little kind of
programmed psychological and physiological combo moves that we have and
without I couldn't find much on the term hereditary heuristics.
(12:55):
But I think maybe what we're describing, maybe what Dan's
describing here is similar to what we clocked with preconceptions
and prejudice, right, Like what was that is that part
of the conversation where we're saying, well does the professor
have glasses? Because no matter how intelligent people are, you
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do tend to unconsciously attribute more intelligence to people who
wear spectacles. It's so weird, it's so true. So maybe
maybe there are those little subtle signals. I don't know.
It gets ugly when you talk about like perceived gender
or race as well, because of all those preconceptions.
Speaker 2 (13:36):
Very true.
Speaker 4 (13:37):
Do you guys think that explain it?
Speaker 5 (13:38):
Well?
Speaker 2 (13:39):
I just think you could use that for breeze to
smell less fearful and or disgusting. I mean, if we
were doing the test again, might.
Speaker 3 (13:49):
The smell of fear it washes it with a patina
of like fake flowers. You know, everyone, we all know,
we all know what that smell really is.
Speaker 2 (13:58):
It's such a weird study.
Speaker 4 (14:00):
It is a weird study. And I think people, you know,
including de Grout, like the people we were name checking
who are working on this, I think they're still figuring
out the implications of these sorts of things. And yeah,
our answer, though it does seem to be based on
a lot of responses we had as well. Our answer
does seem to be the concept of unconscious smell, perhaps
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even even as important as body language, and a little
bit more secretive, a little bit more conspiratorial, because it's
very rare. It's pretty rare unless someone smells very bad
for you to meet someone and say I don't like
him because he smells. But then again, in English, if
we don't like something, we say it stinks. I don't
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know stuff to think about. We can. We'll keep this
one pretty short. There's one more vibe shout out, and
again there's so we want to thank everybody who wrote
to us or called are hit us up on social
media about vibes. There was one thing we should mention.
It was not specifically related to our episode, but it
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was a great point from our friend Sean or sheen
Sei n apologies and from mispronouncing your name.
Speaker 3 (15:18):
There.
Speaker 4 (15:18):
This conspiracy realist says, I just listened to the Our
Vibes real episode and within minutes I was saying to myself,
I hope they talk about Rastafarian culture and belief about vibes.
So during their time in their adventures, this person was
traveling around Kingston, Jamaica with some musicians and learning about
Rastafarian culture and says quote, the overall message of vibes
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in this culture is vibes are like a communal fire
that we all feed with care and are rewarded with
light and heat.
Speaker 3 (15:49):
Every day.
Speaker 4 (15:50):
We were told to regularly align with the intuition we
feel and how we connect to everything and everyone around us.
Be aware of how great you are to the people
you pass, the message and tone you speak, and the
willingness to connect those vibes. Actual acts and behaviors of
kindness and selflessness will reverberate in making one person feel good.
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In an instance, you will give good vibes, and likewise
that experience will be passed into you. My experience, their
vibes were very real and very much about oneness, and
then shared some great stuff about We haven't done a
ton of stuff about Rastafarian culture, but the culture is fascinating.
In many cultures, selflessness is not in like reward driven cultures,
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let's say very anarcho capitalistic cultures. Then selflessness is not
seen as an action that induces reward, but selflessness should
not be enacted for a reward in the first place.
Speaker 3 (16:52):
To take it a step further, it's often seen in
some anarcho capitalist cultures as a sign of weakness, like
how could you possibly think of anyone other than yourself?
Or like how could you possibly look at portraying yourself
as helping others? As anything but a grift as anything,
but like a means to an end of like getting
what you ultimately want, like very self serving. So I mean,
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you know, it's it's important, I think, to bring ourselves
back to this idea. I mean, it's just referred to things,
you know, like karma or whatever, which I don't know
if I am all in on the spiritual aspect of that.
I think it's more of a functional thing. Like I think,
to me, karma can be measured by like the good
works you do come back to you because your reputation
precedes you, and people know about the things that you've done,
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and they know you to be a person with quote
unquote good vibes, and therefore they'll think of you when
when an opportunity arises.
Speaker 1 (17:43):
You know.
Speaker 3 (17:43):
I don't think it's some mystical force. I think it's
literally just being a good person and training people with respect.
Speaker 5 (17:50):
You know.
Speaker 4 (17:50):
Yeah, I do have mystical force too. It's it's kind
of a cultural framework.
Speaker 3 (17:54):
I mean, any.
Speaker 4 (17:55):
Study of evolution shows that the natural state of the
human being and of the primemates in general is to
attempt to collaborate and attempt to help when possible, you know,
And that's a good positive note for us to end on.
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We would love to hear continuing thoughts about vibes. We
would love to hear your thoughts, of course, about expanding
US imperialism.
Speaker 3 (18:24):
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Speaker 2 (18:44):
And we've returned a couple quick shout outs here. There's
an anonymous so and so that asked about our Cambridge
Analytica Classic episode. Wanted to know when it was originally published,
and that was from late April twenty eighteen, quite a
while ago when that first came out. So people have
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been remarking that in that episode, we're really all three
of us. The stance of it sure seems like Facebook
is listening, but we have no way to prove that
it's listening.
Speaker 3 (19:15):
I think that's the jupiter.
Speaker 2 (19:17):
I think that's still kind of the same thing that
we're in. I mean, we're all kind of in that
same boat, right. Nobody at metas slash Facebook is saying
your phone is listening to you, and then that is directly,
you know, transferring into the ads that you get served.
Speaker 3 (19:32):
But question comes up a lot, the observation comes up.
Speaker 2 (19:35):
A lot, exactly. But in response to that classic episode,
we also had someone named Ryan who wrote to us
who told us about an instance when he was loudly
and we imagine humorously singing Drops of Jupiter in a publix,
only to find himself being served Facebook ads for a
particular wine titled drops of Jupiter, which sure is a
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dang coincidence.
Speaker 3 (19:58):
I think it's from one of the guys from the
and the seminole early two thousand's alt rock country band Train.
Speaker 2 (20:06):
There you go, it's getting Train ads for singing their
song in publics. Or maybe it was just a coincidence.
Speaker 3 (20:13):
Was it in publics or just in public? It was
in public, in public, in published, got it.
Speaker 2 (20:19):
We also received a message from someone named Chris in
Atlanta who is gonna tell us a story. It's almost
the full three minutes, so prepare yourselves to listen closely.
Here is Chris's message.
Speaker 5 (20:31):
Hey guys, how's going? As is Chris from Atlanta? Here,
longtime listener to the show. Love it. I especially love
hearing about ghost stories and anything paranormal. I had an
experienced years ago that will kind of creeps me out.
I'm wondering if I'm haunted. In college, I gave it
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a young woman and she had some odd mannerisms. I
noticed early on she would occasionally pause and stare off
into the distance with the blank stare, and I kept
getting the feeling that maybe she was theen things there
that I could not see. I eventually asked her about this,
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and she revealed to me that she practiced WICCA, and
she in fact considered herself a medium, and that she
could sense spirits and could in some way converse with
them telepathically. Basically, she told me that there was a
little three year old girl a spirit that was somehow
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attached to me and had been following me for several
years since I was a young child. Of course, I
thought this very odd and didn't believe it, and we
eventually broke up. Years later, I'm at a family get
together and my little sister is an old story of
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when we were kids. I was probably ten or eleven.
We were exploring the woods out beside behind a farmhouse
that we lived in in Dylwan Virginia, we unwittingly stumbled
upon a very very old family grave site. These were
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graves that dated back to pre Civil War times. It
was very old, very creepy, and in the process of
exploring this site, my sister and I tripped slid down
a bit of a hill and accidentally knocked over a
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complete headstone. It was the headstone of a three year
old girl who died in the early nineteen hundreds. And
as my sister is recounting the story, I got the
biggest chill up my spine. The hair stood up on
the back of my neck. Oh my god, we desecrated
a grave and this spirit has been haunting me, following
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me around my whole life. I don't know what do
you guys think. Have you ever done a show about
Wickan ideology? Is it possible to actually be a medium
and see spirits? I hope I'm not haunted? But thanks guys,
love the show.
Speaker 2 (23:24):
Oh yeah, sorry it cut off there was right at
the three minute mark. Chris Din call back again and
just to make sure everything will well, And it did,
and we just played it on the air. Chris, so
thank you so much for calling in and telling us
that story. Man my goodness. Questions do you think do
you think knocking over the headstone of a grave site?
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Do you think that is desecration?
Speaker 3 (23:47):
If you did it by accident, I mean intent? Does everything?
Speaker 5 (23:51):
Right?
Speaker 4 (23:51):
The most boring, most accurate answer probably be it depends
on the culture, right, because in some cultures graves are
moved or exhumed after amount of time, you know, and
there are different things one can do to move it
in a respectful manner. And then also, you know, if magic,
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if we accept the idea of magic or the supernatural,
is kind of having a weaponized psychology aspect to it,
you can also perform some active obedience to let like
to apologize. Right, that's fiction and fiction folklore and real
life anecdotes are are full of that. But I think
it's if we're talking about the supernatural, it's about intention.
Speaker 1 (24:36):
Right.
Speaker 4 (24:37):
Did you knock over the gravestone with a malicious intent?
Or was it an accident? Do you feel bad? Et cetera?
Those are starting questions.
Speaker 2 (24:46):
Got you no, okay? My wonder is that the headstone
is a completely separate thing from the actual grave, right,
it is in the same vicinity of it. It's represent
its representative of the remains that are you know, in
the earth six feet down or whatever. But it's not
the same thing as the person, you know, the physical
body and where it is in the grave.
Speaker 3 (25:08):
That was my only questions, Like, well, I mean, is
graffiting a mausoleum, you know, desecrating a grave?
Speaker 2 (25:16):
You know?
Speaker 3 (25:17):
I mean, all of these things technically are kind of
part and parcel of the same thing. Again to your point,
depending on your perspective, like your religious belief or your belief,
and just the burial process, like yeah, I mean, if
you look at history of certain cultures and their burial grounds,
the way they mark the grave is sort of part
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of the whole deal, you know, I mean, and like
and those things can be imbued with some sort of power,
you know, or at the very least be connected to
the departed.
Speaker 2 (25:48):
It's really interesting me just taking the concept that let's
say spirits or whatever lingering energy does remain after death,
and then we'd have to suppose that that energy stays
around the physical remains, right, rather than in a different
place where perhaps a person died, or where a tragedy occurred,
or where their greatest memory, their strongest memory was. It
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would be like where they are physically in space and time,
so you kind of have to take that as that's
what happened. Then you have to take well, this spirit,
for whatever reason, when it was disturbed by the headstone
getting knocked over, chose to basically follow these kids or
one of the two kids throughout life to then one
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day be at least seen in some way by the
significant other of this person. I don't know. That's a
lot for me, but I can totally see, Chris, why
you're into paranormal and you know, these kinds of things
because that having that happened to you, or having someone
tell that to you, right, and then rediscovering this thing
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you did in the past, that's God. I can totally
imagine why the hairs stood up.
Speaker 4 (27:00):
And nobody has proved that these things don't exist. That's
the flip side of the coin that people don't mention.
Speaker 3 (27:06):
And I don't know if there's an answer to like
can someone be a medium or like is wiccan practice?
Does it work? Quote unquote like like a lot of
it is all about what you said, Ben about intent,
and like what does it mean to you and how
how do you use it in your in practice? You
know in ways that like help you with your It's
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the same as religion. To me. I have some people
that are very close to me in my life who
consider themselves to be witches. And it's a thing, you know,
and it is all about the belief.
Speaker 5 (27:37):
You know.
Speaker 3 (27:39):
My cynical side sometimes does a little bit of an
internal eye roll occasionally, but then I sort of have
to slap myself back out of that, you know, high
horse to be frank, because it's about what this person believes.
It's not about what I believe. I don't know if
I believe in like spells or in things working to
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malevolently people or positively. But it's about intent and it's
about in the same way we're talking about vibes. It's
about putting acts out into the world, and it's about
how those acts connect with other people, whether they know
it or not. I don't know. It's a lot to unpack,
it really is, but I do find it fascinating and
I think it all boils down to belief and intent.
Speaker 4 (28:20):
Yeah, well said. There's also there's also Chris an episode
we did not specifically on wicked beliefs, but on the
concept of witchcraft. They're not one, but several wherein we
were fortunate enough to speak with some friends who are
practicing practitioners of bevy of those belief systems, and please
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do check that out. Also, at the risk of sounding
sounding cliche in here, it is very true that you
are you are not alone in these experiences, Donny. People
have contacted us over the years on a regular basis
and they're saying, you know, they're saying very similar things.
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I have encountered something that I cannot explain right, and
I am looking for a way to understand it. And
this is just my personal stance. I believe it is
tremendously unhelpful for folks to automatically dismiss another person's experience
that way, right, because we're not that person, and we're
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not and that's something we you know, I'm very happy
that we never do this on the show, and we
never also, to be clear, our track record of conclusively
explaining some of this stuff, it's not that great because
no one could do it for thousands of years people
have tried.
Speaker 3 (29:47):
I also think the impulse to immediately want to debunk
something that someone is passionate about is a little weird.
It's kind is not cool. It's like the actually guy.
You know, it's just like, who cares? Are they hurting you?
If they're hurting you and and they're like really forcing
something upon you, then okay, game on. But if they're
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just doing their thing and it's just a belief and
it makes them happy or it makes them feel some agency,
some sense of agency in this chaotic world of ours,
why would your initial reaction be to try to convince
them that it's bolted. That just seems really rude at
the very least, and megala maniacal and kind of sociopathic
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at the most.
Speaker 4 (30:28):
Also, those actions can often come from someone's own personal
trauma that they have fully export. So sometimes when people
are being gross to you, it's because something happened to
them yourself.
Speaker 3 (30:45):
We're just asking you to check yourself, like think about that,
you know, Like we've all been through trauma, you know.
But it's it's important to have a little bit of
a semblance of self awareness when you're interacting with other people.
And if you can do that and take a look
at yourself, maybe it'll cause you to not do that.
Maybe you'll have more friends.
Speaker 2 (31:01):
Well, hey, that was Chris's story. Let us know what
you think about it. Chris. If you got anything else
to say let us know, or anything to add to it,
you can always reach us one A three to three
STDWYTK Conspiracy at iHeartRadio dot com. We'll be right back
with more listener meal.
Speaker 3 (31:25):
And we're back with one last piece of correspondence from you, Yes, you,
This one comes from Nemesis, and I'm not going to
read this. There's some really nice, lovely complimentary gushing about
the show at the top, but I'm going to leave
that out lest we sound to self aggrandizing. But I
do love the the intro here the salutation dear esteemed gentlemen,
(31:47):
Gods of podcasting and champions of conspiracy. Apologies if this
has already been covered on a previous episode, as I've
only just started working my way in time on your
back catalog. In the last I've noticed ever increasing attempts
by Google to gain access to my data by requesting
that I log onto websites using my Google credentials rather
(32:09):
than the websites existing username password system. Websites forums that
I have used for years have suddenly logged me out
and up pops a Google prompt hinting that it will
be so much easier to never have to remember multiple
passwords and user names and just use Google for everything.
As far as I can remember, this first happened on eBay,
but it has happened on multiple others. I'm well aware
(32:31):
of many websites giving you the option to use existing
social media credentials when creating a new account, but this
is the first time that I've seen one using an
attempted aggressive takeover. I assume that Google must be offering
the websites a fee for allowing the access, which implies
the websites are complicit in the process. My thoughts are
that this is a reaction to the initiative started by
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Apple when they stopped background app tracking slash tracing via
an iOS update, where you had to opt into being
tracked in the background, and since most didn't realize they
were being tracked, opted out. I read that this had
an immediate effect on the quote value of private data
being quote stolen. This restriction and the chains to the
(33:12):
more widespread use of ad blockers and VPNs means that
previously freely available data streams and hence revenue, have been closed.
The reaction to the loss of covert acquisition was the
more direct approach of offering you a service so uninformed
majority grant them direct access back to the data that
had just been blocked. In the UK, at least, TV
(33:35):
Google adverts had been broadcast with a young man extolling
the virtue of the latest Google phone, with the line,
while you already use Google for mail, maps, searching, browsing, smartphones, etc.
Why not get a Google phone and complete your indoctrination.
I added the last word winky face emoji. Your thoughts.
I am happy for this email to be broadcast if
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deemed interesting enough. Well, it has been deemed best regards Nemesis.
I don't know. This is just kind of like a
roundtable here, fellas. Like I've certainly seen Facebook doing this.
Apple definitely does this. There are certain apps or websites
that all of a sudden will let you log in
(34:16):
using your Apple thing. And it gets confusing because I'll
go to one that I'm pretty sure I've already made
an account on, but I've forgotten what the account is,
and then I'll do the Apple version of it. Then
all of a sudden, I have like this weird, redundant
account that's linked to Apple, and then like all my
stuff from the account that I already created isn't there,
And it's just God, it's a mess. Yea, all the
Internet is a mess. It's become a real trash heap.
(34:39):
What do you guys think about this? Because all of
these things that were just so easily accessible to Google,
they were the king of the mountain. Now they're not
so much anymore, and so they're having to like find
little back doors into getting this data.
Speaker 5 (34:54):
Now.
Speaker 3 (34:54):
Yeah, it was.
Speaker 2 (34:55):
Really popular ten twelve years ago to sign in to
like various places is with your you know, as a
single sign in with one social media thing. It was
usually Facebook, I think.
Speaker 3 (35:06):
But it's back though, Man, I'm seeing it all over
the place.
Speaker 2 (35:09):
But yeah, please, Well it's definitely returned in force, and
it does feel like a reaction to to some of
the tightening, the privacy tightening that's happening all over the place.
But I you know, I don't have anything to directly
point to that.
Speaker 3 (35:22):
Well, I mean, when you agree to do it, there's
a lot of fine print that you probably should read
that many people aren't. And that fine print basically says
that when you log in using that social media account,
the website that you're accessing has access to that. I
always assumed it was to benefit the website or the
other service rather than benefiting Google. But I guess it's
(35:43):
a two way street.
Speaker 2 (35:44):
Yeah, well, I don't know if you guys have been
getting these messages. If I access Gmail on any browser
or in any other way outside of an official Google
app or Chrome, it gives you a pop up message
that says basically like, you should be using this on
Google Chrome. Click here and you can do it right now,
go and switch over to Google Chrome. Do it now
(36:05):
on Google Chrome, which.
Speaker 3 (36:08):
Is you know ful first of all, yeah, yeah, that's.
Speaker 2 (36:10):
A mouthful, but just the concept of they want you
on their platform as well, not only using their services,
but do it on their platform because they've got stuff
built in they you know, they can track for their
own purposes.
Speaker 3 (36:23):
What do you think then?
Speaker 4 (36:24):
It's absolutely true, Nemesis. The the things that you're looking
at are not occurring in a vacuum. What Matt and
Miller describing here has accelerated and will continue to accelerate
in the future. Talking a little bit about this off air,
the age of privacy in the modern sense is a
short lived historical fad. The Internet will not retain the
(36:50):
illusor the illusion of anonymity for much longer. The data
that you generate by your movements, including your psychological movements,
are valuable in an aggregate form to these private entities
that simply are too new to be effectively regulated by
(37:10):
old school legislation. Now, why is every place insisting on
a sandbox? Why does every large company of this sort
want to be the doorway that you have to walk
through to access the wider web. Well, it's because right
now there are a lot of big players, but there's
(37:30):
not a single there's not a single ring to rule
them all.
Speaker 3 (37:35):
Yet.
Speaker 4 (37:36):
That's what the race is about. It's an arms race
for data, and it's an arms race for control of
the door. And you're going to see it like it's
going to be related to things like sesame credit. We
called it. That started as opt in. Now it's very
much can't opt out. And what we're seeing is history
being made in real time. It's just going to continue.
(37:57):
There's not a way to stop it.
Speaker 3 (37:58):
Well, it's the idea of the Internet, you know, initially
the open Internet, like the pipes of the Internet being
content agnostic, meaning that like whatever flowing through the Internet,
you can't throttle it or like mess with it, depending
on what it is, like, nobody gets a better deal necessarily.
So this is like different megaith megalithic providers or services
(38:20):
that are essentially becoming the largest, you know, sources of
traffic on the Internet, trying to become that thing right
and to be able to like police you and control,
maybe not control you, but the very least have access
to like everything that you're putting out there, you know,
whether it be your data, whether it be you know,
how you do commerce, because a lot of these platforms
(38:42):
also offer like e commerce solutions and like you know,
and and I don't know this for a fact, but
I have a feeling that a lot of these like
pay later services, they're probably owned by a company that
has interests in all of these particular you know, platforms,
and they're pushing one over the other for a very
(39:02):
self serving reason. So I mean, it's like all of
this is to try to like push back the hands
of time on the idea of open internet. To me,
maybe I'm like overthinking it or like overstating it, oversimplifying,
but that's how it feels. That's why I just said
the Internet's a mess, like with you know, it's just
not what it used to be. I hate to be that,
like you know, Boomer saying things used to be better
(39:24):
or whatever. But it's getting so cluttered. The same with
like the streaming wars or we don't know what service
a certain show is on. This is bouncing all over
the place, and like everyone is just vying for supremacy
and in doing so, diluting everything. Like everybody is so
fed up with all this stuff.
Speaker 4 (39:42):
Right, I don't know. No, Yeah, I agree. I tend
to agree with that. There's also there's a larger existential
threat here, nemesis, and it's one one that keeps me
up sometimes. Which is which is the following? And I
think we've talked about it a little bit previously on
the show. And the best comparison is an OS update right,
(40:04):
planned obsolescence of your favorite overpriced gadget, right, which isn't
proven exactly, it is proven, it's been proven, and it's
under the guise of like they learned the lesson from
the Phoebus cartel, so now it's under the guise of
maximizing performance. Right, that's why we're slowly bricking your late
(40:26):
model iPhone. But this is useful as an analogy because
I posit to you that the human brain, the operating system,
and the hardware of the human brain, wasn't prepared for television,
much less social media, much less the Internet. Human species
is running into a technological limit and may not have
(40:50):
the cognitive hardware to interact with this technology in a productive,
non harmful way. But to your point, Noel, turning back
the clock there, screwing the lid back on Pandora's jar
is a herculean, if not impossible effort, and you're gonna
see the erosion of privacy continue, Nemesis. What's going to
(41:12):
happen unless there is a catastrophic event. What's going to
happen is that in successive generations, after a couple of
backlash reactions to this kind of invasion, successive generations are
going to grow up with this id that never leaves
you know what I mean, the online version of your
social Security number, a unique identifier, and that will follow
(41:36):
them like a shadow all the days of their digital lives.
Speaker 3 (41:39):
I mean, it's only one step removed from the way
things already are been. I mean, like my kid and
her cohort, they have no illusions of privacy, like I mean, well, okay,
they you know, they try to. They try to control
it in as much as they can and keep their
Internet interneting to a certain close knit thing. It is
the reason that things like Isstagram stories for close friends
(42:01):
as a thing, right. But they also have no illusions
that like this stuff is out there and it's not
causing them to like shrink away in horror and like
not put anything out there because it's so fun and
it's literally how they do business, it's how they make friends,
it's how they do all of this stuff. So yeah,
they don't have any illusions of this. And honestly, for them,
(42:25):
they don't know what a social Security card is or
it ideas or whatever. For them to all of a
sudden be told, yeah, this is also on the Internet forever,
they'd be like, cool, can I keep looking at TikTok?
All right? Cool, I'm good. I don't care. Like I
think there's a that generation doesn't care. And I would
argue in certain ways, it doesn't matter because that stuff
can be found, it can be hacked, it can be stolen,
(42:46):
So why not just have it out there. I don't know,
I'm sorry, I'm being nihilistic, And maybe flippant. But seeing
my kid in the way she lives her life on
the Internet, it's different than the way we grew up
because we came into internet one point oh, already kind
of grown, you know what I mean. Like, I think
we probably all had AOL and stuff when we were
like in our late teens, and then DSL modems didn't
(43:08):
come out until we were in our late teens early
twenties maybe, and we had to kind of adapt, you know,
we were sort of like standing astride to eras of
this stuff. These kids are growing up with it at
its like peak, you know, and now it's like it's
this whole shuffle, you know. I don't know, it's just
very interesting. It fascinates me. It scares me, but it
(43:32):
also fascinates me. But I'm also like, I think in
the way we were talking about showing gorillas TikTok videos
and how that like you could like screw up their brains,
gorillas are designed to work in a very old school model.
When I say old school, I just mean a primal
model of like, you know, how they interact. Our kids
(43:53):
are growing up with a completely different model. So it's true,
I think if they're smart about it. It's not wrecking
their brains, it's changing their brains. But I don't think
that means they're all totally they're adapting, you know, you
have to adapt because this does not going away.
Speaker 2 (44:08):
Yeah, they're not ft because of that, They're ft because
of the planet's dying.
Speaker 3 (44:12):
Oh there you going and think the show with me
wanting to jump off a pier. Sorry for Jesus. So
you're right, man, where we're focusing on that, we're asking
the wrong questions. Should we be showing gorillas TikTok videos? Yeah?
The real genie that's out of the bottel isn't a
technological one. It's a existential you know, like actual facts
(44:35):
one to quote Lauren vocal Boon.
Speaker 4 (44:37):
Also, it's important to realize that if you're hearing this,
you have agency. Your personal decisions do matter, right, and
we're very glad you're here. It is easy, of course,
for us to fall into nihilism. It is dangerously, delightfully
easy to practice optimistic nihilism. Nothing matters, Everything's going to
(44:59):
be okay. But we cannot remove ourselves from the equation, folks.
And this doesn't mean that you're gonna end up being
the future version of a boomer saying, back in my day,
we're had to use our hands to touch buttons to
talk to the internet.
Speaker 3 (45:17):
And destined for that fate unfortunately, I.
Speaker 4 (45:20):
Mean, but it doesn't have to be curmudgeonly nor cantankerous.
The future is as exciting as it is terrified, and
there are amazing things on the way. So please, please,
please do your best to stick around.
Speaker 3 (45:35):
And do your best to reach out to us via
the Internet. Yeah, because that's the way.
Speaker 4 (45:42):
The rumors are true. You can find us all over
this early version of the Internet, and they're still more
than one door to walk through to reach us. We're
talking Instagram, we're talking TikTok, we're talking Friends to, We're
talking Pinterest, we're talking Farmers Only. We're talking for Square.
Remember for Square, Back before people were a little more
(46:06):
cognizant of the dangers. They were like, I do want
people to know, when I'm not at home, exactly what
it was where I'm at.
Speaker 3 (46:12):
I thought four screw was like a restaurant y kind
of thing. It was sort of like about reviewing places.
But I guess it was geo. Yeah, tagged that was
the whole deal, wasn't it.
Speaker 4 (46:22):
Yeah, And then you could become like the mayor of
a certain place. Anyway, you can find us all over there.
We still keep our venerable YouTube channel up. You can
see some of the I think objectively really good work
we've done there. And if this internet conversation, these conversations
about big data have put the capital F fear into
(46:44):
you and you prefer to go a little more old school,
there are two other ways you can always contact us.
Speaker 3 (46:50):
That's right. You can give us a telephone call and
you might hear your voice if you give us permission
on one of these weekly listener mail episodes. Our number
is one eight three three syk. Give yourself a clever nickname.
Whatever you want, have fun with it, go crazy, and
please do let us know if it's okay to use
your voice on the show. If you don't want to
(47:12):
do that, you can also get in touch with us
the old fashioned way by sending us a good old email.
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Speaker 2 (00:24):
Hello, welcome back to the show.
Speaker 3 (00:25):
My name is Matt, my name is Noel.
Speaker 4 (00:27):
They call me Ben. We're joined as always with our
super producer Alexis, code named Doc Holliday Jackson. Most importantly,
you are you. You are here, and that makes this
the stuff they don't want you to know, as the
calindrical prow flies. It is Thursday if you're hearing this,
and it is time for one of our favorite things
(00:49):
we do on the show. In between our episodes, we
have a listener male segment where we crowdsource with you.
You and your fellow conspiracy realist are the stars of
our weekly listener mail segment. We're going to have some
shout outs around the world. We got a lot of
feedback on our recent Vibes episode. We're going to explore
(01:11):
that one of our pals in Atlanta might be haunted
and there are some serious worries about signing in online.
Following up as we were talking about earlier. Following up
on our recent conversations regarding privacy. Before we get to that,
I just went to a quick shout out at the top,
(01:32):
you guys, shout out to our longtime listener Yena. This
is just a really short one. We won't read it
in full, but our pal Yenna, who was a longtime
listener in Maine and actually reached out to us for
using the phrase down sella thanks to our pal Andrew
Howard of follow Maynor. Jenna wrote to us and said,
(01:56):
since we aired a story about Lobster being potentially late
to a couple of deletorious health conditions in New Brunswick,
they haven't looked at Lobster the same and they say,
I live in Portland, Maine, Lobster is like one of
the best things about living in Portland, Maine. That's true,
and ask if we could follow up on this with
(02:17):
an update on the show. We will have this on
the way. We've got our eyes and our technacles on it.
But most importantly, Yenna, we want to say, with great affection,
we hope you enjoyed the episode where we ruin caned Seafood.
Speaker 1 (02:33):
If you haven't checked.
Speaker 4 (02:34):
That one out, then give it a listen and tell
us what you think we also got an interesting email.
I think you guys saw it as well, from Little
Girl in a Little Island. It's a great yeah, yeah,
and this person writes to us with some strange news
from Palau, which I don't believe is making a lot
(02:57):
of a lot of waves here in the US. Essentially,
Little Girl in a Little Island, as a US citizen
who was born and raised in the southern West coast
of the US and liked it for some time, described
their childhood as the epitome of an American dream. And
then when her extended family was growing older, her family
(03:21):
relocated back to the island. And there's a lot going
on in this part of the world that the US
has huge influence on that the US public is not
generally aware of. You know, we've talked about nuclear experiments
back in the day in the Marshall Islands. We've talked
a little bit in the past about other nefarious activities
(03:46):
Uncle Sam has engaged with in you know, places like Diego,
Garcia and so on. But this part stood out to me.
Loved to hear everybody's thoughts. Little Girl from a Little
Island says, my country is a quote freely associated state
with the US so pretty much we accept usaid chump change.
(04:07):
Think like twenty mili a year in exchange for the
chance to be colonized. Uncle Sam is finally gone to
cash his chips. And there are soldiers everywhere. Our once
quiet skies are now filled with noisy military jets are
already crowded, streets are being worn by military vehicles that
are in these streets are not built for heavy equipment.
(04:29):
There are even a couple of Patriot missile launching systems
and missiles themselves on the island. I'm miserable. It's like
everything I was running from followed me home. I'm devastated.
US military get the out of my country. Being very
polite little girl on a little island, said GTFO. But
(04:49):
we'll do away with the niceties. When we're talking about imperialism,
What do you guys think about this?
Speaker 3 (04:55):
Off the top of.
Speaker 4 (04:56):
The dome or there's some compelling reasons that the US
would be increasing the militarization of US forces on these
sovereign countries.
Speaker 3 (05:06):
Yeah, strategic perhaps.
Speaker 2 (05:08):
I mean, we're all getting ready for World War three.
Every country in the world is getting ready for it.
We just cluster bombs to Ukraine. That's a great idea.
Speaker 4 (05:20):
Yeah, there are more. There are more toys on the way. Yeah,
and we're doing an episode on the Chip War as
well in the future. It just it seems like the
people of this country, I think it's okay to say
it's plow. The people here are not really being given
an opportunity to say whether or not they want a
(05:44):
foreign military power occupying slash colonizing their land.
Speaker 2 (05:50):
Isn't that kind of them though? Of you know, of
a force like you know, the United States military and
the Navy, and I've so many other powers like that.
You kind of show up once you establish a base
of any kind there.
Speaker 3 (06:08):
Yeah, I mean I always forget how many countries there
are US military presence in and it's not like on
paper we're quote unquote occupying them, but through you know,
deals that have taken place in the past, those presences
just remain, you know, like like Germany. I mean there's
a huge military presence there and that's where I grew up.
(06:30):
I literally grew up in Germany because my father was
the choir director at a church on a US military base.
Speaker 4 (06:38):
And it seems reminiscent perhaps of the island hopping strategies
that occurred in World War Two in the Pacific Theater
between Japanese forces and the US forces. It also these
are little chess moves, right, It's kind of like how
France passed that sketchy service valence law, completely cognizant that
(07:03):
they are going to use that against domestic descent, even
if it's just peaceful protesting this. It seems like a
move little girl on a little island, for the US
to better position itself for a possible hot war or
maritime conflict with China, depending on how things go in Taiwan.
(07:24):
That's the guess, right, Does that seem like the most
obvious guess, just given the the expense involved in getting
all that stuff out there m m.
Speaker 3 (07:32):
And then once it's there and just kind of set
up shop. You mentioned Ben in your travels abroad as well. You,
but also other friends I have that have been in
the Navy, you know, spend tons of time in Korea
and in Japan. And I mean it really is just
like we kind of police the world in a weird way.
I mean, not police, it's all in ways that benefit
(07:55):
us or to kind of keep us, you know, unilaterally present.
Speaker 4 (08:00):
The force projection. For a long time post World War Two,
the United States, through the Navy and through various other institutions,
ensured the safety of international shipping lanes, right ensure the
predictability and sustainability financially at least of global trade, and
increasingly this really hot topic in the world of foreign affairs.
(08:24):
Increasingly the current US administration is seen as pulling away
from that role, kind of deglobalizing its power or its
existence as an ubiquitous superpower. What does that mean for
the world. No one's really sure at this point. And
what does that mean if a global conflict breaks out?
(08:46):
No one sure either. And that's why there are that's
I would posit, that's why we see various world powers
that want to be the next hedgemon putting their anchor
holes on their anchor their anchor heads, of their footholds
in places far away from home, so that they don't
(09:07):
have to cross the Pacific to touch you if something
goes wrong. And that's that's a scary thing to think
about it. I think collectively it gives all of us
a bad vibe.
Speaker 3 (09:20):
Because it's like a segue vibes into the film. We're
gonna do some Film Corner with with Ben about the
excellent piece of cinema that is Vibes the movie. It
should be called Vibes the movie, just just to separate
it from Vibes the concepts. Sure, what happened? Why didn't
they make Vibes too? I feel like, didn't it sort
(09:40):
of have the potential for a sequel? Honestly, I'm sorry
to go Vibes fanboaight for a second, but that movie
is like as good as Ghostbusters. I'm just good. I
will die on that hill. I really like the movie.
Speaker 1 (09:55):
That's nice to say.
Speaker 4 (09:56):
Yeah, it's it's definitely some. It's definitely we something we
enjoy on the show, and we did. I think in
that episode we did a pretty good job of exploring
the concept of Vibes and not going too deep into
that amazing film, And we knew we would get a
(10:16):
lot of responses, so we just wanted to share a
couple of these responses that we got. One that was
really interesting was from Dan, and Dan says he was
listening to the episode about Vibes and had a theory
or some speculation about that study we cited regarding rating
(10:40):
professors based on ten seconds of silent video remember that one.
Nsley nuts, Yeah, because what is it If they had
to write down how they would judge the professor beforehand,
their conclusions were less likely to match the conclusions of
the students in the class the entire time. It's very
(11:01):
weird and counterintuitive. And Dan brings up something that I
had not heard of, a phrase I had not heard of,
and says, could the correlation between their rating and the
rating of the students who had taken the class not
also be explained by both groups making the same jump
to conclusion decisions because of hereditary heuristics or whatever? And
(11:23):
then the semester long kids not changing their mind appreciably.
You know the old adage about first impressions, just the thought.
Keep it up, guys, Thanks Dan. Hereditary heuristics, it's very interesting.
Speaker 3 (11:37):
That's a great word. There's a Brian Eno song where
he talks about the heuristics of the mystics, and I
just think that's one of the most clever rhyme schemes
I've ever heard.
Speaker 4 (11:48):
Yeah. One of the fiction worlds I write, heuristics are
treated as a superpower. But essentially heuristics is it's a
fancy word for mental short cuts that all human brains
use to solve problems in a quick way that is
not perfect but good enough to work. You know what
(12:09):
I mean. Someone throws something at you, then you instantly
your brain makes a calculation, can I get this is
just a bottle of the breeze I have here? I'm
sure it's terrible for the world. But someone throws a
bottle of for breeze that you your brain, without much
conscious thought, will quickly make the calculation one, do I
(12:30):
catch this? Do I flee from it?
Speaker 3 (12:34):
Right?
Speaker 4 (12:34):
And then how do I catch it? And that's that's
an example of like touristics, right, figuring out how to
untie a knot, you know, all these little kind of
programmed psychological and physiological combo moves that we have and
without I couldn't find much on the term hereditary heuristics.
(12:55):
But I think maybe what we're describing, maybe what Dan's
describing here is similar to what we clocked with preconceptions
and prejudice, right, Like what was that is that part
of the conversation where we're saying, well does the professor
have glasses? Because no matter how intelligent people are, you
(13:16):
do tend to unconsciously attribute more intelligence to people who
wear spectacles. It's so weird, it's so true. So maybe
maybe there are those little subtle signals. I don't know.
It gets ugly when you talk about like perceived gender
or race as well, because of all those preconceptions.
Speaker 2 (13:36):
Very true.
Speaker 4 (13:37):
Do you guys think that explain it?
Speaker 5 (13:38):
Well?
Speaker 2 (13:39):
I just think you could use that for breeze to
smell less fearful and or disgusting. I mean, if we
were doing the test again, might.
Speaker 3 (13:49):
The smell of fear it washes it with a patina
of like fake flowers. You know, everyone, we all know,
we all know what that smell really is.
Speaker 2 (13:58):
It's such a weird study.
Speaker 4 (14:00):
It is a weird study. And I think people, you know,
including de Grout, like the people we were name checking
who are working on this, I think they're still figuring
out the implications of these sorts of things. And yeah,
our answer, though it does seem to be based on
a lot of responses we had as well. Our answer
does seem to be the concept of unconscious smell, perhaps
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even even as important as body language, and a little
bit more secretive, a little bit more conspiratorial, because it's
very rare. It's pretty rare unless someone smells very bad
for you to meet someone and say I don't like
him because he smells. But then again, in English, if
we don't like something, we say it stinks. I don't
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know stuff to think about. We can. We'll keep this
one pretty short. There's one more vibe shout out, and
again there's so we want to thank everybody who wrote
to us or called are hit us up on social
media about vibes. There was one thing we should mention.
It was not specifically related to our episode, but it
(15:09):
was a great point from our friend Sean or sheen
Sei n apologies and from mispronouncing your name.
Speaker 3 (15:18):
There.
Speaker 4 (15:18):
This conspiracy realist says, I just listened to the Our
Vibes real episode and within minutes I was saying to myself,
I hope they talk about Rastafarian culture and belief about vibes.
So during their time in their adventures, this person was
traveling around Kingston, Jamaica with some musicians and learning about
Rastafarian culture and says quote, the overall message of vibes
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in this culture is vibes are like a communal fire
that we all feed with care and are rewarded with
light and heat.
Speaker 3 (15:49):
Every day.
Speaker 4 (15:50):
We were told to regularly align with the intuition we
feel and how we connect to everything and everyone around us.
Be aware of how great you are to the people
you pass, the message and tone you speak, and the
willingness to connect those vibes. Actual acts and behaviors of
kindness and selflessness will reverberate in making one person feel good.
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In an instance, you will give good vibes, and likewise
that experience will be passed into you. My experience, their
vibes were very real and very much about oneness, and
then shared some great stuff about We haven't done a
ton of stuff about Rastafarian culture, but the culture is fascinating.
In many cultures, selflessness is not in like reward driven cultures,
(16:38):
let's say very anarcho capitalistic cultures. Then selflessness is not
seen as an action that induces reward, but selflessness should
not be enacted for a reward in the first place.
Speaker 3 (16:52):
To take it a step further, it's often seen in
some anarcho capitalist cultures as a sign of weakness, like
how could you possibly think of anyone other than yourself?
Or like how could you possibly look at portraying yourself
as helping others? As anything but a grift as anything,
but like a means to an end of like getting
what you ultimately want, like very self serving. So I mean,
(17:14):
you know, it's it's important, I think, to bring ourselves
back to this idea. I mean, it's just referred to things,
you know, like karma or whatever, which I don't know
if I am all in on the spiritual aspect of that.
I think it's more of a functional thing. Like I think,
to me, karma can be measured by like the good
works you do come back to you because your reputation
precedes you, and people know about the things that you've done,
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and they know you to be a person with quote
unquote good vibes, and therefore they'll think of you when
when an opportunity arises.
Speaker 1 (17:43):
You know.
Speaker 3 (17:43):
I don't think it's some mystical force. I think it's
literally just being a good person and training people with respect.
Speaker 5 (17:50):
You know.
Speaker 4 (17:50):
Yeah, I do have mystical force too. It's it's kind
of a cultural framework.
Speaker 3 (17:54):
I mean, any.
Speaker 4 (17:55):
Study of evolution shows that the natural state of the
human being and of the primemates in general is to
attempt to collaborate and attempt to help when possible, you know,
And that's a good positive note for us to end on.
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We would love to hear continuing thoughts about vibes. We
would love to hear your thoughts, of course, about expanding
US imperialism.
Speaker 3 (18:24):
You can reach us.
Speaker 4 (18:25):
We read every email we get where we're conspiracy at
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Speaker 2 (18:44):
And we've returned a couple quick shout outs here. There's
an anonymous so and so that asked about our Cambridge
Analytica Classic episode. Wanted to know when it was originally published,
and that was from late April twenty eighteen, quite a
while ago when that first came out. So people have
(19:04):
been remarking that in that episode, we're really all three
of us. The stance of it sure seems like Facebook
is listening, but we have no way to prove that
it's listening.
Speaker 3 (19:15):
I think that's the jupiter.
Speaker 2 (19:17):
I think that's still kind of the same thing that
we're in. I mean, we're all kind of in that
same boat, right. Nobody at metas slash Facebook is saying
your phone is listening to you, and then that is directly,
you know, transferring into the ads that you get served.
Speaker 3 (19:32):
But question comes up a lot, the observation comes up.
Speaker 2 (19:35):
A lot, exactly. But in response to that classic episode,
we also had someone named Ryan who wrote to us
who told us about an instance when he was loudly
and we imagine humorously singing Drops of Jupiter in a publix,
only to find himself being served Facebook ads for a
particular wine titled drops of Jupiter, which sure is a
(19:56):
dang coincidence.
Speaker 3 (19:58):
I think it's from one of the guys from the
and the seminole early two thousand's alt rock country band Train.
Speaker 2 (20:06):
There you go, it's getting Train ads for singing their
song in publics. Or maybe it was just a coincidence.
Speaker 3 (20:13):
Was it in publics or just in public? It was
in public, in public, in published, got it.
Speaker 2 (20:19):
We also received a message from someone named Chris in
Atlanta who is gonna tell us a story. It's almost
the full three minutes, so prepare yourselves to listen closely.
Here is Chris's message.
Speaker 5 (20:31):
Hey guys, how's going? As is Chris from Atlanta? Here,
longtime listener to the show. Love it. I especially love
hearing about ghost stories and anything paranormal. I had an
experienced years ago that will kind of creeps me out.
I'm wondering if I'm haunted. In college, I gave it
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a young woman and she had some odd mannerisms. I
noticed early on she would occasionally pause and stare off
into the distance with the blank stare, and I kept
getting the feeling that maybe she was theen things there
that I could not see. I eventually asked her about this,
(21:17):
and she revealed to me that she practiced WICCA, and
she in fact considered herself a medium, and that she
could sense spirits and could in some way converse with
them telepathically. Basically, she told me that there was a
little three year old girl a spirit that was somehow
(21:40):
attached to me and had been following me for several
years since I was a young child. Of course, I
thought this very odd and didn't believe it, and we
eventually broke up. Years later, I'm at a family get
together and my little sister is an old story of
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when we were kids. I was probably ten or eleven.
We were exploring the woods out beside behind a farmhouse
that we lived in in Dylwan Virginia, we unwittingly stumbled
upon a very very old family grave site. These were
(22:22):
graves that dated back to pre Civil War times. It
was very old, very creepy, and in the process of
exploring this site, my sister and I tripped slid down
a bit of a hill and accidentally knocked over a
(22:43):
complete headstone. It was the headstone of a three year
old girl who died in the early nineteen hundreds. And
as my sister is recounting the story, I got the
biggest chill up my spine. The hair stood up on
the back of my neck. Oh my god, we desecrated
a grave and this spirit has been haunting me, following
(23:06):
me around my whole life. I don't know what do
you guys think. Have you ever done a show about
Wickan ideology? Is it possible to actually be a medium
and see spirits? I hope I'm not haunted? But thanks guys,
love the show.
Speaker 2 (23:24):
Oh yeah, sorry it cut off there was right at
the three minute mark. Chris Din call back again and
just to make sure everything will well, And it did,
and we just played it on the air. Chris, so
thank you so much for calling in and telling us
that story. Man my goodness. Questions do you think do
you think knocking over the headstone of a grave site?
(23:45):
Do you think that is desecration?
Speaker 3 (23:47):
If you did it by accident, I mean intent? Does everything?
Speaker 5 (23:51):
Right?
Speaker 4 (23:51):
The most boring, most accurate answer probably be it depends
on the culture, right, because in some cultures graves are
moved or exhumed after amount of time, you know, and
there are different things one can do to move it
in a respectful manner. And then also, you know, if magic,
(24:12):
if we accept the idea of magic or the supernatural,
is kind of having a weaponized psychology aspect to it,
you can also perform some active obedience to let like
to apologize. Right, that's fiction and fiction folklore and real
life anecdotes are are full of that. But I think
it's if we're talking about the supernatural, it's about intention.
Speaker 1 (24:36):
Right.
Speaker 4 (24:37):
Did you knock over the gravestone with a malicious intent?
Or was it an accident? Do you feel bad? Et cetera?
Those are starting questions.
Speaker 2 (24:46):
Got you no, okay? My wonder is that the headstone
is a completely separate thing from the actual grave, right,
it is in the same vicinity of it. It's represent
its representative of the remains that are you know, in
the earth six feet down or whatever. But it's not
the same thing as the person, you know, the physical
body and where it is in the grave.
Speaker 3 (25:08):
That was my only questions, Like, well, I mean, is
graffiting a mausoleum, you know, desecrating a grave?
Speaker 2 (25:16):
You know?
Speaker 3 (25:17):
I mean, all of these things technically are kind of
part and parcel of the same thing. Again to your point,
depending on your perspective, like your religious belief or your belief,
and just the burial process, like yeah, I mean, if
you look at history of certain cultures and their burial grounds,
the way they mark the grave is sort of part
(25:37):
of the whole deal, you know, I mean, and like
and those things can be imbued with some sort of power,
you know, or at the very least be connected to
the departed.
Speaker 2 (25:48):
It's really interesting me just taking the concept that let's
say spirits or whatever lingering energy does remain after death,
and then we'd have to suppose that that energy stays
around the physical remains, right, rather than in a different
place where perhaps a person died, or where a tragedy occurred,
or where their greatest memory, their strongest memory was. It
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would be like where they are physically in space and time,
so you kind of have to take that as that's
what happened. Then you have to take well, this spirit,
for whatever reason, when it was disturbed by the headstone
getting knocked over, chose to basically follow these kids or
one of the two kids throughout life to then one
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day be at least seen in some way by the
significant other of this person. I don't know. That's a
lot for me, but I can totally see, Chris, why
you're into paranormal and you know, these kinds of things
because that having that happened to you, or having someone
tell that to you, right, and then rediscovering this thing
(26:53):
you did in the past, that's God. I can totally
imagine why the hairs stood up.
Speaker 4 (27:00):
And nobody has proved that these things don't exist. That's
the flip side of the coin that people don't mention.
Speaker 3 (27:06):
And I don't know if there's an answer to like
can someone be a medium or like is wiccan practice?
Does it work? Quote unquote like like a lot of
it is all about what you said, Ben about intent,
and like what does it mean to you and how
how do you use it in your in practice? You
know in ways that like help you with your It's
(27:26):
the same as religion. To me. I have some people
that are very close to me in my life who
consider themselves to be witches. And it's a thing, you know,
and it is all about the belief.
Speaker 5 (27:37):
You know.
Speaker 3 (27:39):
My cynical side sometimes does a little bit of an
internal eye roll occasionally, but then I sort of have
to slap myself back out of that, you know, high
horse to be frank, because it's about what this person believes.
It's not about what I believe. I don't know if
I believe in like spells or in things working to
(27:59):
malevolently people or positively. But it's about intent and it's
about in the same way we're talking about vibes. It's
about putting acts out into the world, and it's about
how those acts connect with other people, whether they know
it or not. I don't know. It's a lot to unpack,
it really is, but I do find it fascinating and
I think it all boils down to belief and intent.
Speaker 4 (28:20):
Yeah, well said. There's also there's also Chris an episode
we did not specifically on wicked beliefs, but on the
concept of witchcraft. They're not one, but several wherein we
were fortunate enough to speak with some friends who are
practicing practitioners of bevy of those belief systems, and please
(28:45):
do check that out. Also, at the risk of sounding
sounding cliche in here, it is very true that you
are you are not alone in these experiences, Donny. People
have contacted us over the years on a regular basis
and they're saying, you know, they're saying very similar things.
(29:08):
I have encountered something that I cannot explain right, and
I am looking for a way to understand it. And
this is just my personal stance. I believe it is
tremendously unhelpful for folks to automatically dismiss another person's experience
that way, right, because we're not that person, and we're
(29:31):
not and that's something we you know, I'm very happy
that we never do this on the show, and we
never also, to be clear, our track record of conclusively
explaining some of this stuff, it's not that great because
no one could do it for thousands of years people
have tried.
Speaker 3 (29:47):
I also think the impulse to immediately want to debunk
something that someone is passionate about is a little weird.
It's kind is not cool. It's like the actually guy.
You know, it's just like, who cares? Are they hurting you?
If they're hurting you and and they're like really forcing
something upon you, then okay, game on. But if they're
(30:07):
just doing their thing and it's just a belief and
it makes them happy or it makes them feel some agency,
some sense of agency in this chaotic world of ours,
why would your initial reaction be to try to convince
them that it's bolted. That just seems really rude at
the very least, and megala maniacal and kind of sociopathic
(30:27):
at the most.
Speaker 4 (30:28):
Also, those actions can often come from someone's own personal
trauma that they have fully export. So sometimes when people
are being gross to you, it's because something happened to
them yourself.
Speaker 3 (30:45):
We're just asking you to check yourself, like think about that,
you know, Like we've all been through trauma, you know.
But it's it's important to have a little bit of
a semblance of self awareness when you're interacting with other people.
And if you can do that and take a look
at yourself, maybe it'll cause you to not do that.
Maybe you'll have more friends.
Speaker 2 (31:01):
Well, hey, that was Chris's story. Let us know what
you think about it. Chris. If you got anything else
to say let us know, or anything to add to it,
you can always reach us one A three to three
STDWYTK Conspiracy at iHeartRadio dot com. We'll be right back
with more listener meal.
Speaker 3 (31:25):
And we're back with one last piece of correspondence from you, Yes, you,
This one comes from Nemesis, and I'm not going to
read this. There's some really nice, lovely complimentary gushing about
the show at the top, but I'm going to leave
that out lest we sound to self aggrandizing. But I
do love the the intro here the salutation dear esteemed gentlemen,
(31:47):
Gods of podcasting and champions of conspiracy. Apologies if this
has already been covered on a previous episode, as I've
only just started working my way in time on your
back catalog. In the last I've noticed ever increasing attempts
by Google to gain access to my data by requesting
that I log onto websites using my Google credentials rather
(32:09):
than the websites existing username password system. Websites forums that
I have used for years have suddenly logged me out
and up pops a Google prompt hinting that it will
be so much easier to never have to remember multiple
passwords and user names and just use Google for everything.
As far as I can remember, this first happened on eBay,
but it has happened on multiple others. I'm well aware
(32:31):
of many websites giving you the option to use existing
social media credentials when creating a new account, but this
is the first time that I've seen one using an
attempted aggressive takeover. I assume that Google must be offering
the websites a fee for allowing the access, which implies
the websites are complicit in the process. My thoughts are
that this is a reaction to the initiative started by
(32:52):
Apple when they stopped background app tracking slash tracing via
an iOS update, where you had to opt into being
tracked in the background, and since most didn't realize they
were being tracked, opted out. I read that this had
an immediate effect on the quote value of private data
being quote stolen. This restriction and the chains to the
(33:12):
more widespread use of ad blockers and VPNs means that
previously freely available data streams and hence revenue, have been closed.
The reaction to the loss of covert acquisition was the
more direct approach of offering you a service so uninformed
majority grant them direct access back to the data that
had just been blocked. In the UK, at least, TV
(33:35):
Google adverts had been broadcast with a young man extolling
the virtue of the latest Google phone, with the line,
while you already use Google for mail, maps, searching, browsing, smartphones, etc.
Why not get a Google phone and complete your indoctrination.
I added the last word winky face emoji. Your thoughts.
I am happy for this email to be broadcast if
(33:56):
deemed interesting enough. Well, it has been deemed best regards Nemesis.
I don't know. This is just kind of like a
roundtable here, fellas. Like I've certainly seen Facebook doing this.
Apple definitely does this. There are certain apps or websites
that all of a sudden will let you log in
(34:16):
using your Apple thing. And it gets confusing because I'll
go to one that I'm pretty sure I've already made
an account on, but I've forgotten what the account is,
and then I'll do the Apple version of it. Then
all of a sudden, I have like this weird, redundant
account that's linked to Apple, and then like all my
stuff from the account that I already created isn't there,
And it's just God, it's a mess. Yea, all the
Internet is a mess. It's become a real trash heap.
(34:39):
What do you guys think about this? Because all of
these things that were just so easily accessible to Google,
they were the king of the mountain. Now they're not
so much anymore, and so they're having to like find
little back doors into getting this data.
Speaker 5 (34:54):
Now.
Speaker 3 (34:54):
Yeah, it was.
Speaker 2 (34:55):
Really popular ten twelve years ago to sign in to
like various places is with your you know, as a
single sign in with one social media thing. It was
usually Facebook, I think.
Speaker 3 (35:06):
But it's back though, Man, I'm seeing it all over
the place.
Speaker 2 (35:09):
But yeah, please, Well it's definitely returned in force, and
it does feel like a reaction to to some of
the tightening, the privacy tightening that's happening all over the place.
But I you know, I don't have anything to directly
point to that.
Speaker 3 (35:22):
Well, I mean, when you agree to do it, there's
a lot of fine print that you probably should read
that many people aren't. And that fine print basically says
that when you log in using that social media account,
the website that you're accessing has access to that. I
always assumed it was to benefit the website or the
other service rather than benefiting Google. But I guess it's
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a two way street.
Speaker 2 (35:44):
Yeah, well, I don't know if you guys have been
getting these messages. If I access Gmail on any browser
or in any other way outside of an official Google
app or Chrome, it gives you a pop up message
that says basically like, you should be using this on
Google Chrome. Click here and you can do it right now,
go and switch over to Google Chrome. Do it now
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on Google Chrome, which.
Speaker 3 (36:08):
Is you know ful first of all, yeah, yeah, that's.
Speaker 2 (36:10):
A mouthful, but just the concept of they want you
on their platform as well, not only using their services,
but do it on their platform because they've got stuff
built in they you know, they can track for their
own purposes.
Speaker 3 (36:23):
What do you think then?
Speaker 4 (36:24):
It's absolutely true, Nemesis. The the things that you're looking
at are not occurring in a vacuum. What Matt and
Miller describing here has accelerated and will continue to accelerate
in the future. Talking a little bit about this off air,
the age of privacy in the modern sense is a
short lived historical fad. The Internet will not retain the
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illusor the illusion of anonymity for much longer. The data
that you generate by your movements, including your psychological movements,
are valuable in an aggregate form to these private entities
that simply are too new to be effectively regulated by
(37:10):
old school legislation. Now, why is every place insisting on
a sandbox? Why does every large company of this sort
want to be the doorway that you have to walk
through to access the wider web. Well, it's because right
now there are a lot of big players, but there's
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not a single there's not a single ring to rule
them all.
Speaker 3 (37:35):
Yet.
Speaker 4 (37:36):
That's what the race is about. It's an arms race
for data, and it's an arms race for control of
the door. And you're going to see it like it's
going to be related to things like sesame credit. We
called it. That started as opt in. Now it's very
much can't opt out. And what we're seeing is history
being made in real time. It's just going to continue.
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There's not a way to stop it.
Speaker 3 (37:58):
Well, it's the idea of the Internet, you know, initially
the open Internet, like the pipes of the Internet being
content agnostic, meaning that like whatever flowing through the Internet,
you can't throttle it or like mess with it, depending
on what it is, like, nobody gets a better deal necessarily.
So this is like different megaith megalithic providers or services
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that are essentially becoming the largest, you know, sources of
traffic on the Internet, trying to become that thing right
and to be able to like police you and control,
maybe not control you, but the very least have access
to like everything that you're putting out there, you know,
whether it be your data, whether it be you know,
how you do commerce, because a lot of these platforms
(38:42):
also offer like e commerce solutions and like you know,
and and I don't know this for a fact, but
I have a feeling that a lot of these like
pay later services, they're probably owned by a company that
has interests in all of these particular you know, platforms,
and they're pushing one over the other for a very
(39:02):
self serving reason. So I mean, it's like all of
this is to try to like push back the hands
of time on the idea of open internet. To me,
maybe I'm like overthinking it or like overstating it, oversimplifying,
but that's how it feels. That's why I just said
the Internet's a mess, like with you know, it's just
not what it used to be. I hate to be that,
like you know, Boomer saying things used to be better
(39:24):
or whatever. But it's getting so cluttered. The same with
like the streaming wars or we don't know what service
a certain show is on. This is bouncing all over
the place, and like everyone is just vying for supremacy
and in doing so, diluting everything. Like everybody is so
fed up with all this stuff.
Speaker 4 (39:42):
Right, I don't know. No, Yeah, I agree. I tend
to agree with that. There's also there's a larger existential
threat here, nemesis, and it's one one that keeps me
up sometimes. Which is which is the following? And I
think we've talked about it a little bit previously on
the show. And the best comparison is an OS update right,
(40:04):
planned obsolescence of your favorite overpriced gadget, right, which isn't
proven exactly, it is proven, it's been proven, and it's
under the guise of like they learned the lesson from
the Phoebus cartel, so now it's under the guise of
maximizing performance. Right, that's why we're slowly bricking your late
(40:26):
model iPhone. But this is useful as an analogy because
I posit to you that the human brain, the operating system,
and the hardware of the human brain, wasn't prepared for television,
much less social media, much less the Internet. Human species
is running into a technological limit and may not have
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the cognitive hardware to interact with this technology in a productive,
non harmful way. But to your point, Noel, turning back
the clock there, screwing the lid back on Pandora's jar
is a herculean, if not impossible effort, and you're gonna
see the erosion of privacy continue, Nemesis. What's going to
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happen unless there is a catastrophic event. What's going to
happen is that in successive generations, after a couple of
backlash reactions to this kind of invasion, successive generations are
going to grow up with this id that never leaves
you know what I mean, the online version of your
social Security number, a unique identifier, and that will follow
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them like a shadow all the days of their digital lives.
Speaker 3 (41:39):
I mean, it's only one step removed from the way
things already are been. I mean, like my kid and
her cohort, they have no illusions of privacy, like I mean, well, okay,
they you know, they try to. They try to control
it in as much as they can and keep their
Internet interneting to a certain close knit thing. It is
the reason that things like Isstagram stories for close friends
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as a thing, right. But they also have no illusions
that like this stuff is out there and it's not
causing them to like shrink away in horror and like
not put anything out there because it's so fun and
it's literally how they do business, it's how they make friends,
it's how they do all of this stuff. So yeah,
they don't have any illusions of this. And honestly, for them,
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they don't know what a social Security card is or
it ideas or whatever. For them to all of a
sudden be told, yeah, this is also on the Internet forever,
they'd be like, cool, can I keep looking at TikTok?
All right? Cool, I'm good. I don't care. Like I
think there's a that generation doesn't care. And I would
argue in certain ways, it doesn't matter because that stuff
can be found, it can be hacked, it can be stolen,
(42:46):
So why not just have it out there. I don't know,
I'm sorry, I'm being nihilistic, And maybe flippant. But seeing
my kid in the way she lives her life on
the Internet, it's different than the way we grew up
because we came into internet one point oh, already kind
of grown, you know what I mean. Like, I think
we probably all had AOL and stuff when we were
like in our late teens, and then DSL modems didn't
(43:08):
come out until we were in our late teens early
twenties maybe, and we had to kind of adapt, you know,
we were sort of like standing astride to eras of
this stuff. These kids are growing up with it at
its like peak, you know, and now it's like it's
this whole shuffle, you know. I don't know, it's just
very interesting. It fascinates me. It scares me, but it
(43:32):
also fascinates me. But I'm also like, I think in
the way we were talking about showing gorillas TikTok videos
and how that like you could like screw up their brains,
gorillas are designed to work in a very old school model.
When I say old school, I just mean a primal
model of like, you know, how they interact. Our kids
(43:53):
are growing up with a completely different model. So it's true,
I think if they're smart about it. It's not wrecking
their brains, it's changing their brains. But I don't think
that means they're all totally they're adapting, you know, you
have to adapt because this does not going away.
Speaker 2 (44:08):
Yeah, they're not ft because of that, They're ft because
of the planet's dying.
Speaker 3 (44:12):
Oh there you going and think the show with me
wanting to jump off a pier. Sorry for Jesus. So
you're right, man, where we're focusing on that, we're asking
the wrong questions. Should we be showing gorillas TikTok videos? Yeah?
The real genie that's out of the bottel isn't a
technological one. It's a existential you know, like actual facts
(44:35):
one to quote Lauren vocal Boon.
Speaker 4 (44:37):
Also, it's important to realize that if you're hearing this,
you have agency. Your personal decisions do matter, right, and
we're very glad you're here. It is easy, of course,
for us to fall into nihilism. It is dangerously, delightfully
easy to practice optimistic nihilism. Nothing matters, Everything's going to
(44:59):
be okay. But we cannot remove ourselves from the equation, folks.
And this doesn't mean that you're gonna end up being
the future version of a boomer saying, back in my day,
we're had to use our hands to touch buttons to
talk to the internet.
Speaker 3 (45:17):
And destined for that fate unfortunately, I.
Speaker 4 (45:20):
Mean, but it doesn't have to be curmudgeonly nor cantankerous.
The future is as exciting as it is terrified, and
there are amazing things on the way. So please, please,
please do your best to stick around.
Speaker 3 (45:35):
And do your best to reach out to us via
the Internet. Yeah, because that's the way.
Speaker 4 (45:42):
The rumors are true. You can find us all over
this early version of the Internet, and they're still more
than one door to walk through to reach us. We're
talking Instagram, we're talking TikTok, we're talking Friends to, We're
talking Pinterest, we're talking Farmers Only. We're talking for Square.
Remember for Square, Back before people were a little more
(46:06):
cognizant of the dangers. They were like, I do want
people to know, when I'm not at home, exactly what
it was where I'm at.
Speaker 3 (46:12):
I thought four screw was like a restaurant y kind
of thing. It was sort of like about reviewing places.
But I guess it was geo. Yeah, tagged that was
the whole deal, wasn't it.
Speaker 4 (46:22):
Yeah, And then you could become like the mayor of
a certain place. Anyway, you can find us all over there.
We still keep our venerable YouTube channel up. You can
see some of the I think objectively really good work
we've done there. And if this internet conversation, these conversations
about big data have put the capital F fear into
(46:44):
you and you prefer to go a little more old school,
there are two other ways you can always contact us.
Speaker 3 (46:50):
That's right. You can give us a telephone call and
you might hear your voice if you give us permission
on one of these weekly listener mail episodes. Our number
is one eight three three syk. Give yourself a clever nickname.
Whatever you want, have fun with it, go crazy, and
please do let us know if it's okay to use
your voice on the show. If you don't want to
(47:12):
do that, you can also get in touch with us
the old fashioned way by sending us a good old email.
Speaker 2 (47:18):
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(47:40):
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