December 2, 2024 • 56 mins
A tragic airplane crash -- coupled with a series of sinister, earlier explosions -- prompts serious concerns that someone, cough, cough, Russia, may be executing test runs for global espionage. KFC steps back promise to stop using 'Frankenchickens' in the UK. Mobile game Pokémon Go may be in bed with militaries, leveraging data for mass surveillance. Dutch police find a gnome made of MDMA during a drug bust. A new revelation regarding the mysterious 1971 D.B. Cooper skyjacking, and much, much more in this weekly strange news segment.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is
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Speaker 2 (00:26):
Hello, welcome back to the show. My name is Matt,
my name is Noah.
Speaker 3 (00:30):
They call me Bed. We're joined as always with our
super producer Dylan the Tennessee pal Fagan. Most importantly, you
are here. That makes this the stuff they don't want
you to know. If you're listening to this the evening
it comes out, Welcome to December, Monday, December second, the
last month of twenty twenty four. The calendar may stop
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pretty soon, but the news does not. We just credit
where it's due. Dylan is so awesome, you guys. As
we were get ready to record our strange news segment,
Dylan said, Hey, did you guys see that news about
dB Cooper? And I think we all immediately went, what, I.
Speaker 4 (01:09):
Don't know anything about this. Oh my gosh, tell me
more again.
Speaker 3 (01:12):
Gretit to Dylla. But we've learned this just came out
pretty recently this week, I think just yesterday. It's a
new lead on the dB Cooper case, the only unsolved
skyjacking in American history. But it's maybe a lead because
it appears that the children of a guy named Richard McCoy,
the second a convicted skyjacker, have been hiding a modified
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parachute for years, and this modified parachute maybe similar to
the type authorities believe dB Cooper used in his nineteen
seventy one skyjacking. I'm pulling a lot of this from
our pals at Interesting Engineering Capill Kajal.
Speaker 4 (01:53):
What does a modified parachute consist of?
Speaker 3 (01:56):
Unclear at this point. We need to do a little
bit more digging. This is probably one of those do
the reddit kind of situations, but probably the modification for
the harness, I would imagine. I'm just guessing here.
Speaker 4 (02:07):
What does it mean? Ben? Is this guy potentially the
mysterious dB Cooper or just related, perhaps a co conspirator.
Speaker 3 (02:17):
Perhaps? You know, skyjacking is not a typical run of
the mill crime. Thankfully, the FBI says they do know
a little bit more about the parachute modification because they
know the guy who modified parachutes, a guy named Earl
Cossi who's a skydiver working with the FBI until twenty thirteen,
when he was murdered.
Speaker 2 (02:37):
Yeah, and this particular thing was found by this dude
named Dan Grider who's a YouTuber right, and he found
it two years ago in a North Carolina property that
used to be owned by this other person, Richard McCoy
the second, who is he is a known skyheister, convicted skyjacker,
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and he ended up dying in nineteen seventy four. But
just the fact that this parachute was found on property
from this guy he was also a skyjacker, means that
maybe this dude McCoy was the real McCoy the Well,
so maybe the need for modifying a parachute for a
skyjacking have to do with the ability to like carry
more cargo, hold more stuff.
Speaker 3 (03:19):
You know. I just wonder it could be carrying more stuff,
that's a great idea. It could be possibly making it
less conspicuous if you carry it off you on a plane.
Speaker 4 (03:29):
To smuggle in so nobody knows that you've got a
big old hunchback situation going on.
Speaker 3 (03:33):
I'm sure we'll find the answers there. We just we
got this as breaking news deliver if we can get
a breaking news sound cue. Great. Uh, there's another thing
I think Matt, you want to talk about before we
before we really dive in here. We've said it in
the past, the there is a tragic and inspiring world
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record that has has a pretty high turnaround.
Speaker 2 (04:00):
Oh yeah, So back in April of this year, the
oldest man was Juan Vincente Perez. He was one hundred
and fourteen years old, and then he died and then
I know, but he a awesome long life, right now,
that's true, it's true. Nice work, mister Perez. Then it
got or the crown, I suppose, was moved on over
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to a gentleman in England named John Tenniswood, who up
until just a few days ago was one hundred and
twelve years old. Again a nice ripe old age. But
unfortunately the crown has now passed on to somebody new
that we don't know yet.
Speaker 3 (04:35):
Right because they're still searching, and unfortunately, in this particular
world record, there's a non zero chance that the person
who technically holds that record now may pass away before
they get found. It's really tough too, because when we're
talking about someone living that long of a life a centurion,
than what you're seeing is the records get dodgy. The
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further back you go. And I love that we're pointing
out it's the world's oldest and which is rated differently
because women human women tend to live longer than human dudes.
The oldest living person right now is Tonika Etoka, Japanese national,
who is currently one hundred and sixteen years old. Miss Atoka.
We wish you the best. What a life, What stories
(05:18):
you must have?
Speaker 2 (05:19):
All right? What do you say we get to the news, guys.
Speaker 4 (05:21):
Oh man, we should.
Speaker 3 (05:22):
We'll be back after word from our sponsors, and we
have returned. Been holding on to a lot of disturbing
espionage news, particularly in the world of cyber attacks and
China and the EU and the United States. That might
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be something we get to if we have time. First
and foremost, I was thinking, guys, we look at DHL.
I'm sure we all saw the news. There's some excellent
reporting about this. A plane from DHL, a cargo plane,
crashed near the Venilius airport in Lithuania. The investigators are
(06:08):
currently looking into it. But one thing that made this
clock on our radar is huh radar aviation jokes, is
that the the plane left from Germany and Germany's foreign
Minister just in the wee hours on Monday as we're
as we're recording this said this could have been an
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accident or it could have been quote a hybrid attack
in volatile times. The plane itself, swift Air Flight five
nine six zero, was a Boeing, but I get in
front of that. It was a Boeing seven thirty seven.
It was operated by Swift Air on behalf of the
quarrier company DHL. The investigation is ongoing as we record now.
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We do know, unfortunately, there was one fatality, there were
two injuries. We're not sure exactly what went wrong. The
big question right now is was it a technical issue,
which unfortunately can happen with any aircraft, or was someone
purposely messing with the plane or messing with something on
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the plane? Was this an act of belevolence. That's what
is keeping several authorities in the EU up at night
right now. A great primer on this as of now
is a piece from Lee Kemmins McManus, who is writing
for The Daily Beast. Playe operated by DHL downed in
mystery crash that killed one person. Now, this is a
(07:44):
great article because it gives you the timeline the primer
of the tragic events, but it also points us to
the larger context. This was not happening in a vacuum.
Speaker 4 (07:56):
Guys.
Speaker 3 (07:56):
If we go back further in the month, still very
recently to November fifth, shout out V for Vendetta, is
that the right one?
Speaker 4 (08:04):
I think it is. Remember remember the fifth I think
that's right.
Speaker 3 (08:08):
Okay, all right, I'm looking at you guys for all right. So, uh,
if we go to an article by Frank Gardner, who
is a security correspondence for BBC, we see that someone
quote unquote any unnamed Russian intelligence agency may have been
targeting courier companies already in Poland and the United Kingdom
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and in Germany DHL.
Speaker 4 (08:36):
Is is it like consumer facing or is this more
for large freight stuff. It appears to be a very
large private logistics and shipping company. I'm just wondering who's
it for.
Speaker 3 (08:48):
They do express mail, they do package delivery with the
ups etical court. It's like Germany, he says, we have
ups at home. It's it's huge. They do over one
seven billion parcels a year. They are a German logistics company.
So if you were trying to disrupt or test run
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disruption on a Caurier network DHL would be a great
thing to compromise. This is why people are so intensely
curious as to whether the recent Lithuania crash was the
result of a conspiracy, because these parcel fires that have
already been happening. Last month, in September, authorities arrested four
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people in an inter European investigation Western security officials. As
a Western security people anyway, it's their job, is what
we're saying. Those guys told US media that they think
these fires that were occurring as early as this summer
is July, were quote an orchestrated campaign by Russia's military
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intelligence agency that gru Now, let's walk it out, walk
it out, Let's dig up the rubarb on this one. Guys,
why would you, if you were an intelligence agency, why
would you do dry runs on a courier company like this?
I don't know.
Speaker 4 (10:14):
And I'm also like I've always wondered, like how large
these types of courrier planes are. So like a seven
thirty seven that's like a jumbo jet. I mean, that's
the same type of plane that would be before, you know,
transporting passengers. It does appear that the pilot and the
co pilot survived and it was only one crew member
that was killed, So it seems like it would be
about the same level of staff as a commercial flight
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as well.
Speaker 2 (10:38):
Yeah, and yes and no. Right, it is a whole
different operation because we are talking about cargo planes where
it's mostly cargo that's being taken out.
Speaker 4 (10:47):
I'm just saying in terms of like personnel, like you know,
you need a pilot, you need a copilot, and then
obviously there was some additional crew. I'm just wondering about
how many.
Speaker 3 (10:55):
Like that's really it's a great question because typically, I mean,
think of a locomotive here in the United States, they're
going to have a shockingly small staff for the amount
or small crew for the amount of stuff they're carrying.
And often, depending on the nature of the cargo, you'll
see the same thing in aviation as you would in locomotion.
(11:17):
I keep going back to these explosions, guys, because get
this right now, the best guess for the series of
explosions over summer was that someone quote unquote someone had
loaded rigged electric massage machines into cargo, and not all
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of the machines were rigged, just like not every pager
made by that company in one country or another was
rigged to explode. But these these had some sort of
magnesium based thing some sort of to them, right, which
is not what your electric massage machine is supposed to do.
We don't know the nature of the massage machine, but
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we're looking into it. Apparently they had an incendiary device
as well attached, and this led to the things catching
fire or blowing up. So some of them just sort
of caught light and then some of them absolutely exploded.
Speaker 2 (12:21):
Okay, So I want to go back to the question
you asked Ben where like why would they do this?
Speaker 5 (12:25):
Right?
Speaker 2 (12:25):
What's the goal for doing this stuff? So in my mind,
I'm only seeing two scenarios, and maybe I'm wrong, So
tell me what you think. The first one is to
disrupt specific shipments, So get your shipments with the firebomb
things onto other DHL shipments that they know have strategic
either weapons or you know, like aid supplies or food
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or something that one of these courier services is sending
to like a war zone, right sure.
Speaker 3 (12:52):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (12:53):
The second would be to somehow disrupt operations at a
large hub, like in this instance, where it's a huge
DHL hub that you know, then has a massive fire
and crash incident, which means probably most of their stuff
is going to get delayed at least for some period
of time, depending on how bad the situation is, right.
Speaker 3 (13:15):
Right, Yeah, and I think you're getting to one of
the most salient points here in this kind of operation.
If there is an operation afoot, the content of the
cargo may matter less than the infrastructure reach of the carrier. Right, So,
if you are, for instance, compromising FedEx, you're not necessarily
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looking for one truck based on what it carries. You're
looking for a truck based on where it goes. And
so the ability to infiltrate the logistics operations of a
giant like DHL is quite appealing tasymmetric warfare. And before
this sounds too dry, I saw, well, let's go to
New York Post, not my favorite source, but to give
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the human in toll of this, I'd love to briefly
play an audio clip of the Lithuania crash. Is that
all right with you, guys?
Speaker 4 (14:06):
I was going to ask. I just saw that that
was available. Yeah, I'm anxious to hear it.
Speaker 3 (14:10):
Right, Well, this will be short, it may not be
appropriate for all listeners. So so just trigger warning ahead
of time. If this is not your bag of badgers.
Fast forward about a minute and a half.
Speaker 5 (14:22):
When does.
Speaker 6 (14:26):
Good morning delta the son thousands of four thousand feet
tell me to one zero zero that's apportunately. Remember this is.
Speaker 3 (14:34):
The moment air traffic control realize the loss.
Speaker 5 (14:38):
Of the flight expected ailist runway one night firm and
looking forward to the ailist.
Speaker 2 (14:45):
I think in the shot you can see the plane
weigh in the distance right, Yes, but that's correct, firm.
Speaker 5 (14:52):
Uh if for what he does that, we are all
put the after.
Speaker 6 (15:00):
The centautus to two thousand, seven hundred feet can eat
one two zero greet unless you one manner establish okay
undred six.
Speaker 5 (15:12):
Question too serious here and we have there for the
island will report to fablish postman question the multiple goes.
Cancel your start up, go back to your stand number.
We just got a.
Speaker 2 (15:31):
Crash of aircraft on the finals, so we will need sometime.
Speaker 3 (15:39):
We'll stop there. The first thing to say here is
that we have to commend the control of the professionals involved.
You know, you're hearing people reporting facts. They're not panicking.
We can clearly hear you know, the first forty to
fifty seconds where it's just routine. And I don't know
about you, guys, but in my experience kicking it with
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ATC folks air traffic Control, they already their routine is
already very intense.
Speaker 4 (16:08):
They're all customers.
Speaker 2 (16:09):
Yeah, And in that video you can see the plane
coming in right as everybody's doing, they're getting commps from
the airplane. Airplane pilot and copriter are communicating and saying, yeah,
we're going down to twenty seven hundred feet, we're like
descending now. And then right as it goes over the
top of that DHL building, like in the background, you
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see a huge fireball.
Speaker 4 (16:32):
Yeah, guys, is there any possibility that this is a
you know, nine to eleven esque attack of some sort?
I mean, obviously not from the same personnel that did
that here in this country, but you know, it did
narrowly miss a residential property. I just wonder if it
was like a weaponization of an aircraft.
Speaker 3 (16:50):
That's the question. Right now. We're still in kind of
a fog of war situation as the investigation continues, because
some investigators or some sources have said, we think this
is a technical issue, right Others are saying, clearly, this
occurs within the context of that July arson attack series.
(17:14):
We haven't had too much official statement language from the
aircraft manufacturer Boeing other than condolences for crew members and
families supporting the investigation honestly the boiler plate stuff. But again,
I think it's indicative of the larger milieu here, the
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incredibly high tension right now between NATO and Russia, between
Germany and Russia, that they immediately went public and said, hey,
we don't we don't know, right, we don't want to
accidentally trigger an escalation by making unfounded accusations. One of
the latest updates is that the Lithuanian Special Services during
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they're briefing said there have been at this point no
indications of foul play, so it could have just been
a tragic accident. And with that, I have to ask you, guys,
do you got any Spidey sense tingling on this?
Speaker 4 (18:13):
Just a Boeing can't catch a break?
Speaker 3 (18:17):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (18:17):
This is a weird situation. I think we're going to
have to learn more because it it when you watch
there are other videos that are available of this specific
plane crash where it does look as though it's descending
in a normal flight pattern. And then then at the
end it tail it You can see the tail go
up as though it is going nose DIY, but it
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knows dies within We're talking one hundred something feet two
under very low just all of a sudden just goes
So it could have just been pilot error and we
just don't know yet.
Speaker 3 (18:49):
We do also on a gain of positive notes. You know,
you guys have been trying to look for positive things lately.
The two folks who did survive, it's entirely due to
the action of the first responders and to dark lottery.
Upon impact, the cockpit of the aircraft was separated from
the fuselage and the fuselage ignited. So if these first
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responders had not been as professional and as quick and
competent as they are, and if the cockpit had remained attached,
this would be a very different story. So with this
in mind, fellow conspiracy realist, we want your help. You
don't have to be extensively experienced in aviation or in
sabotaging electric massage machines, I guess, but we'd love to
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hear the larger context. We'd love to hear your theories,
from most plausible to the most out. There is it
possible that we could be watching asymmetrical at least penetration
test or dry runs of such a large supply chain network.
If so, let us know. Conspiracy atiheartradio dot Com won
a three to three STDWYTK t intensia. For now, we're
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more strange news.
Speaker 4 (20:22):
And we've returned after a pretty spirited conversation off air
about these potential tariffs coming our way and what that
might mean in terms of, you know, potential compromand from
the Russians on the US government, on the new incoming administration.
It's something that I think we reserve for an on
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air discussion a little bit later. But it is fascinating stuff.
But in the meantime, you guys remember Pokemon Go to
the joy I.
Speaker 3 (20:51):
Remember specifically a couple of times with Pokemon Go Noel
we would be hanging out somewhere, would have all the
way I kindly requested for people not to point their
cameras at I know that.
Speaker 4 (21:05):
I remember there was a snorlax on your shoulder and
you were like, get that boy, go find a different
find different marks. Yeah, you did say it respectfully, Ben,
and I do appreciate that.
Speaker 2 (21:18):
The ex wife was obsessed and she would travel to
all different places to catch the old Pokemons.
Speaker 4 (21:25):
Well, you know, we see oftentimes here in the fair
metropolis of Metro Atlanta, those Google cars rolling around mapping stuff,
taking photographs. And you know, I'm sure we've all Google
mapped our homes and we see, oh, that picture is
from a year ago, or that picture is from six
months ago, or what have you, because there's a different
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tree or a different bench or something, or it was
before I even lived here.
Speaker 3 (21:51):
I waved to the Waimo driver today who was collecting stuff.
I was running some errands and exercising. I do that
pretty early in the morning now, and I almost got
hit by the Waymo driver, and so I just waved
that we.
Speaker 4 (22:06):
Don't have driverless waymos here yet, though I don't think
right I saw. I saw my first one in Austin,
Texas recently, which I believe is ground z all that
kind of stuff, but it was driverless.
Speaker 3 (22:16):
I looked it looked to have a guy sitting sitting
in there, but not with the hands on the wheel.
Speaker 4 (22:24):
The one I saw in Austin was fully unmanned and
it was freaky. I'd never seen one before and it
was like right next to me, and I was like,
what if it just you know, goes ai, goes bonkers
and just sideswipes us or something.
Speaker 3 (22:36):
So yeah, all to say thank you for not hitting
me this morning, and also.
Speaker 4 (22:41):
All to say thank you for not Pokemon going, Ben
as well. This is a big obsession. I did it
for a bit. It's fun because it capitalized on people's
desire to play games but also to kind of touch grass.
Right before that was as much of a a a
kind of a buzz phrase as it is now. And
so I remember when it first came out. Super smart,
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very very I guess tapped in people that I'm friends with,
We're super into Pokemon Go. Knowing full well the background
of the parent company, Neantic and their ties to Google,
their ties to government programs. I believe there's some personnel
involved in Nantick that had previous connections to the NSA. Ben,
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do you remember what the deal was with that. What
was the Nantic government kind of crossover.
Speaker 3 (23:29):
Yeah, so Niantic is a pretty fascinating case. It is
an American software company, right. I think a lot of
people when you hear Pokemon Go, you assume it's a
Japanese company, makes sense, but Neantic is not. They're based
out of San Francisco, and there are questions about things
like the board and the founding the company had spun out.
(23:53):
It started with Google, but it comes from Google in
twenty fifteen after Google said hey, we're restructuring to Alphabet Incorporated.
Speaker 4 (24:03):
Yes, And if I'm not mistaken, the current senior vice
president of engineering at Nantick also had ties to Google Earth,
formerly a part of Google, where he was the co
creator of Google Earth and street View and Google Maps.
So sorry, a lot of preamble here to say that
your suspicions and concerns Ben along with again many of
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my very smart friends who'd still use the service or
use the free game, were in fact accurate on a
couple of fronts. So there is a recent article from Jalopnik,
which is a site that you guys always used to
cite on car stuff. It's a really really cool site.
Speaker 3 (24:42):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (24:42):
I like jelopnick a lot, and the headline says it
all guys, Pokemon Go was a plot to use your
data to fast track an AI slop Google Maps competitor.
And I don't know if you guys have been seeing
this term flying around a lot more, but I love
the term slop referring to like AI generated garba basically
or kind of like lazy fake art or writing. They
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call it AI slop. So all of those individuals, millions
and millions, chances are you out there probably played the
game at least once. I certainly did all of that
information where you would go out into the world to
catch these Pokemon. You gotta catch them all, and to
go to these places called gyms or there are certain
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like waypoints where you had to like it was like
usually it would be a big, big building or a
target or some kind of like geographical location which is
where you would have to go to fight other Pokemon men.
That was all part of it. So all of the information,
the data generated by all of these people rolling around
and checking in and scanning with their phones. This it's
ultra what do they call it, augmented reality. So you
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got an overlay of the little fella. You know, you
throw the ball at him, you try to catch it,
and in that period of holding your phone up, the
phone is recording what you're pointing it at, likely logging
the GPS data as well as the imagery. So rather
than having to have a some sort of unmanned vehicle
or a Google street View car driving around constantly scanning
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and photographing and mapping spatially all of the different streets,
you've got human beings which are much more nimble, able
to get into much tighter places. And when you combine
all of that into this massive neural network, you get
really good information about about data points related to mapping
the best walking distance because when you would put it
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in I remember, haven't played it in a long time,
you would kind of get walking directions on the thing
to get to the point that you were seeking this pokemon.
They would be like, oh, you so and so a
rare snorlax was found near you, and then it would
map you there.
Speaker 3 (26:45):
And further, you're incentivized to go to very specific places.
Speaker 4 (26:49):
They're telling you they.
Speaker 3 (26:50):
Can put it wherever they want. Yes, specually, you guys know,
I'm on the I'm on the road a lot. Knowing
people who play Pokemon go if they're if they're traveling, uh,
they can actually end up getting Now I'm not fully
sure about the details of this because I don't participate
as a player in this game. They can depending on
their point of origin, they can get different incentives to
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travel different places that a local might not receive. Well, yeah,
and let me just give you this really quick.
Speaker 4 (27:19):
But I mentioned the Jelopnik article and the headlines by
Bradley Brown. Now he says it very very succinctly by
strategically placing poke stops and Pokemon gyms, because the poke stops,
if I'm I'm saying, that's where you'd have to go
to get more stuff, to get more poke balls to
get you get them for free. After the stop replenished
after a period of time, you would then go there again,
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click on it and it would spin around a little
coin thing and you'd get random gear loot drops basically,
so I'm sorry to finish. By strategically placing poke stops
and Pokemon gyms, the gyms being where you'd go to
fight other Pokemon. The company was able to grab images
and scans of locations that even Google doesn't have street
view images of Wow.
Speaker 2 (28:02):
Yeah, So think about your Google Maps car that maybe
many of us have seen, kind of like the Waymo car.
It is on a track, right, it's it's a series
of basically a giant three sixty series of cameras and
it's on that track. It can see everything that is
along that track. What they were able to do is
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take all the cameras off the track, including into your backyard.
Speaker 4 (28:26):
Yes, in your living room, dude, these things would appear
in you on your couch. Sorry.
Speaker 3 (28:31):
Oh yeah.
Speaker 2 (28:31):
But one of the things that they're pointing out here
in their tracking data, which is again gotta say something
we pointed out in twenty sixteen twenty seventeen when we
talked about this. They are able to get not just
in the front of that church that's along the road
they are they can get on the side of it,
in the back of the church because hey, there's a
Pikachu back there. They can now get in like literally
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your backyard, in your sideyard, and have a three D
imaged version of all of that stuff. Google car can't
come into your living room. Google car can't drive into
your backyard, but it's your property.
Speaker 3 (29:08):
You're there.
Speaker 4 (29:09):
I would play it sometimes literally in my own home,
so it probably is trying. I mean, it's got a
three hundred and sixty degree three D map of my house.
It knows where you poop, no question about it.
Speaker 3 (29:19):
This other part two, I appreciate the point about getting
off of the road right or getting away from Like,
satellites are terribly clever invention, but they can't get everything.
So this is tremendously valuable data, especially if you can
incentivize to incentivize a user to go to a place
like a you know, a part of East Asia, right,
(29:42):
just say Tokyo for an example, that has a ton
of side streets where you couldn't get that conventional Google
Map car. You might have somebody with that big nerdy
backpack and have them walking around Kapakichi or whatever. But
then extend that later, gentlemen, like as Homer Simpson says
in Bigging it to perhaps some areas of the Middle
(30:02):
East where you might have the same issue getting that
heavy equipment over and keeping it safe in a place
where automobile accidents happened. So now you've just got a
bunch of people on their phones. Hey, US military or
anybody who has the scratch this is how you get
around the side streets in Basra or we're.
Speaker 4 (30:24):
Gonn get to that aspect in just a second, but
I do just want to add to that point when
you're absolutely right. Another great quote here. This is a
statement from Neantik itself basically coppying to everything we're talking
about and say, what what would you think we were doing?
Over the past five years, Niantic is focused on building
our visual positioning system, which uses a single image from
a phone to determine its position and orientation using a
(30:46):
three D map built from people scanning interesting locations in
our games and scan averse.
Speaker 3 (30:53):
I just love it's built from people.
Speaker 4 (30:55):
It's from people. It reminds me of that thing in
Batman and I believe it was the Dark Night, or
maybe it was the original one. Everyone's phone was. They
hacked everyone's phone, reverse engineered them, like it was a
power that no one should have. That was the whole
big thing about it that Lucius Fox said, like, how
can once we do this, we can't ever go back?
Turn everyone's phone into a listening device so they could
(31:16):
find and a three D mapping device so they could
find That's right, so they could find the batty. One
thing I have noticed recently too that other mapping apps
are doing, like Google Maps and Apple Maps, is you
can get more precision in city locations where the GPS
kind of gets a little wonky by using this live
(31:38):
view and scanning around and it'll it'll capture the buildings
and it will then give you an ar augmented reality
overlay of an arrow pointing you in the right direction.
Speaker 3 (31:48):
That is what this is.
Speaker 4 (31:50):
These guys have just been doing it longer.
Speaker 3 (31:51):
I would argue New York once.
Speaker 4 (31:54):
Well, and I know that it's effie, you know, I
get it, But it's also very convenient and it really
does work better. But that information that when we do that,
we are contributing to the ecosystem of all of this.
And there's so much more we could talk about here,
but I do just want to mention what you said
bet the military aspect of this in a I believe
(32:15):
a presentation that was recently captured.
Speaker 3 (32:19):
I believe it broke or it was leaked in some way.
Speaker 4 (32:22):
Four h four Media covered this a presentation by Brian McClendon,
the Anti Senior vice president of Engineering, again also formerly
part of Google, the co creator of Google Earth, street
View and Google Maps essentially did a presentation called Coordinates
of Tomorrow Why spatial computing needs a new map, And
this happened earlier this month. This article came out just
(32:42):
of just like literally two days ago, today being November
the twenty seventh, and that said, I'm just gonna read
from this piece on bleedingcool dot com. During the Q
and A portion, a comment came from Bellingcat's open source
analyst and former British Army officer Nick Waters, saying that
LGM large geospatial models would be unbelievably useful to the
(33:06):
military and asked if it was foreseeable for governments and
militaries to purchase the information from Nantick, Ben, that is
what you were describing, like, how do we find these
secret path paths through these back alleys in places where
we don't have that kind of satellite capability. People play
Pokemon Go all over the world. It's super popular in Asia,
(33:29):
and I don't know exactly how it ports over to
the Middle East or some of the other countries we're
talking about, but I haven't heard of it being banned outright.
Speaker 3 (33:38):
Imagine this spin it out? Okay, this is just the
thought experiment that I think our heads are going the
same place here. Cast aside the general unhelpful stereotypes about
who would or who would not play this sort of
mobile game, let's remember that there might be people in
secure areas who, for one reason or another, and board
(34:01):
because their job is just to push that red button
in a worst case scenario, and now they're looking for
you know.
Speaker 2 (34:07):
Document, Ben, that's brilliant and terrifying.
Speaker 5 (34:10):
Dude.
Speaker 4 (34:10):
You're absolutely right, somebody breaking the rules, obviously breaking the
rules with their own personal device that maybe they got
slipped through whatever. I know there are clearances, and then
you know, these things are not supposed to happen, but
I can see it happening, dude.
Speaker 2 (34:23):
So the first image I got in my head when
you were talking about that, Ben, was the Pentagon. Right,
somebody just like accidentally mapping the entirety of the Pentagon.
But I think it could be. I think you're right.
I think it's like critical infrastructure on a more local scale,
So like those water treatment plants that we've always said
were super vulnerable, or the.
Speaker 4 (34:41):
Data centers whatever.
Speaker 3 (34:43):
Yes, yes, Further, even if the security is up to
snuff in some of those more sensitive locations. Imagine if
you're looking at a foreign power, right and you're officially
front of me's or whatever, but you know the water's boiling,
there might be some shit going sideways on the horizon. Well,
(35:03):
you don't need to have someone foolish enough to use
a personal device in that secure area. You can map
it by the absence of coverage. So what if everybody
is to create a whole game until they get to
this one part? Now, why is there a hole? Let's
send a satellite or it's like, hey, there's a.
Speaker 4 (35:22):
Wild war total in the war room.
Speaker 2 (35:24):
You know, dude, I mean that's how you find those
secret buildings you guys covered. Uh, it's exactly what it is,
like everybody, there's a poke stop somewhere, and we noticed
that some users go into every single one of these
rowhouses except for.
Speaker 4 (35:38):
This one because the game rewards you with that kind
of fastidious obsessive like mapping. That's literally what it is, man,
the ude. We maybe should do an episode on some
of this when information comes out. I think it's time
to drop this one for now. But really, really great
points all around, guys. Let's take a quick break here
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Speaker 3 (36:37):
I speak, I know where you're going. Maybe I'm excited
to find out, Matt, because I swear to god I
almost texted you guys on that group chat where I'm
texting you way too much.
Speaker 2 (36:45):
Oh well, hey, credit where credit is due. I got
this via text for my friend AJ and she just said,
look at this. It is, guys, a four pound garden
gnome fully shaped, looks like it's three D printed, and
it is made of ecstasy slash molly slash MDMA.
Speaker 3 (37:06):
Finally, right, I think I speak for all of us.
Speaker 4 (37:08):
Finally, Can I also just say that ecstasy gnome would
be a sick name for an electro band. Oh yeah, I.
Speaker 3 (37:14):
Feel like I know a guy who goes by that.
But it's one of these one of those nicknames that
I don't, you know, I hate when this happens. I
think it's a nickname that no one uses around him.
Speaker 4 (37:25):
Yeah, he might not even know he has that. Yeah,
I want to know.
Speaker 2 (37:29):
Dyl So check this out in the Southern Netherlands. By
the way, this comes to us via BBC. We'll read
the title so you could find it. Dutch police find
gnome made of M D M A during drug bust
and uh so there is there's a lot of suspected
narcotics in this one area, and hanging out with those
suspected narcotics is a garden nome. It's got its hands
(37:50):
over its mouth and it looks like it's going.
Speaker 4 (37:52):
Gee and it's just as high as crap.
Speaker 2 (37:56):
It's probably it's grinding its teeth because it just popped
its own beam, which is I think a drug slang.
So it is fully made, like formed of this stuff.
And I'm just trying to imagine. I guess you have
to break the whole thing down if you're going to
process those drugs, you know, as somebody who's going to distribute.
Speaker 4 (38:14):
But I want to say there was a subplot, and
I think it was maybe the movie Traffic, where there
was literally a thing formed out of cocaine and then
you see them using some kind of solvent literally dissolve
the entire thing down and then reprocess it and make
it into a paste and what have you dried it?
Speaker 3 (38:31):
And that's based in real world stuff. You can use
those solvents. I mean, like you set this up earlier,
you can clearly shape things, whether that be via cocaine,
like with cocaine as a medium, et cetera. And then
once you get it over the border then or wherever
the end destination is, then you can use totally legal
(38:52):
solvents to derive it into you care you want.
Speaker 2 (38:57):
I just like the idea of somebody with a tiny,
tiny little chiz and hammer like ding ding ding ding,
hammer away.
Speaker 3 (39:04):
That's gotta be a lot of MDMA though, right to
make the garden.
Speaker 2 (39:07):
No, yeah, four pounds of it. I don't know how
much that is? Two kilograms?
Speaker 3 (39:11):
Uh, I don't know what's the typical dose of MDMA.
Speaker 2 (39:15):
Whatever a bean is, that's all I know. So like
a pill.
Speaker 4 (39:18):
Yeah, there's the pills still, and you know, in the
nineties it was ecstasy and they were pressed into these
pills with like pokemon on them or like a Mitsubishi.
There are all kinds of different ones, Buddha double stack,
you know, ferraris or whatever the crap. But they were
cut with all kinds of crazy stuff. Today it seems
like the term is flipped more towards molly or or
you know, flip toward Yeah.
Speaker 3 (39:40):
Sure, I think it is.
Speaker 4 (39:42):
MALLI is meant to be a purer form of the
active ingredient from ecstasy, which is pure MDMA. But I
don't believe that it's still cut with something man like.
There's no way they're not. They're just putting that stuff
out completely unadulttery, and that's not how drug trade works.
Speaker 2 (39:58):
Well, this, this MDMA is cut with a side of magic,
because this gnome is truly magic and whimsy.
Speaker 3 (40:05):
Yes, I I like how the authorities describe them as
visibly startled.
Speaker 2 (40:10):
Yeah, yeah, is on his hands over Oh no, I
can cut me.
Speaker 3 (40:15):
I'm mad drugs. Do we know if there were any.
Speaker 2 (40:17):
Arrest I'm not sure. Probably I'm assuming, but I don't know.
Speaker 4 (40:23):
I know the circumstances in which it was discovered.
Speaker 2 (40:25):
Well, this guy's got to tell you. This BBC article
is pretty it's pretty short, it's not really robust. Let's
say it does mention that MDMA is illegal in the Netherlands,
as it is in many parts of the world. And oh,
as of twenty nineteen, according to the BBC, the Netherlands
(40:45):
is among one of the world's leading producers of MDMA.
Speaker 4 (40:49):
Well, the Netherlands is also, like, you know, the place
where marijuana has been legal for decades.
Speaker 3 (40:55):
They got big freeport vibes. It's the vestiges of their
maritime empire. I'm looking on a source called Mixed mag
which I'm not too familiar with, but apparently there.
Speaker 4 (41:08):
Is a techno website. Okay, it's an electronic.
Speaker 3 (41:11):
Music Oh yeah, well good, I trust them as legitimate
for this. They're saying at a four pound or for
the rest of the world, two kilogram statue of this
size is the equivalent of around eight thousand ecstasy pills.
So at the very least, this is a pretty significant investment, right, which.
Speaker 4 (41:26):
I would guess go for around twenty five bucks a
pop hill. Yeah, I think so wow.
Speaker 3 (41:32):
That brought my Larry David out. No way, pass us
dollars pass step down. What do you have for fifteen man?
Do you have any rhinos statues? We're talking full sized rhinos,
the good rhinos too. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (41:49):
It gets hot in those rhinos.
Speaker 5 (41:51):
Guys.
Speaker 2 (41:51):
We're moving on to the next update. This one comes
to us via the Guardian. We're just hanging out in
the UK right now. Jolly good guys. What's a franken chicken?
If you had to describe what a franken chicken is
or what you think a franken chicken is, it's that
chicken that is made of nothing but drumsticks. Oh interesting, Yeah, it's.
Speaker 3 (42:11):
A I believe the idea that that's the old like
back in the days of analog. That's the old food
conspiracy theory urban legend chickens that were just breasted legs
with no no heads. I believe they're I believe the
real version. There's sometimes called broiler chickens. They're the ones
that are huge victims of the livestock industry. Also, we
(42:34):
got a nice letter from Peta. Unrelatedly, yes, it was
very kind.
Speaker 6 (42:37):
Thank you.
Speaker 3 (42:38):
Wes uh and on the same page. But they're I
think they're very large eugenics practice. They're they're modified to
grow faster. Is that correct?
Speaker 2 (42:47):
Yes, The way I understand the franken chicken term is
just as you said, ben used to be one thing.
Now it is the real chickens that are grown and
mass so in tight little cages. But think way too
many chickens per cage and given all kinds of sometimes
hormones to grow them faster, often antibiotics. Because they're in
(43:10):
such close quarters, they get sick all the time.
Speaker 3 (43:12):
They can a lot of them can't walk, I believe.
Speaker 2 (43:14):
Oh yeah, not enough area to move around often, not
enough natural light to even have a semblance of existence
and understanding of where they are in space and time.
Speaker 3 (43:24):
I mean like with body mass, though I think several
like it's not infrequent for them to physically be incapable
of walking even with the space.
Speaker 4 (43:32):
Chick exactly at their best are pretty big boys up
top with little tiny legs. These would probably just atrophy
to the point of being, you know, completely useless.
Speaker 2 (43:42):
It is a pretty disgusting thing, but it is an
evolution based on a necessity for the amount of chicken
that is sold to every thing of every grocery store,
every place that sells chicken, and the fast food joined
every other place that sells chicken, and so each one
of these individual restaurants and chains has to source their
(44:04):
chicken from somewhere. This story is about sourcing of chickens.
Back in twenty nineteen, KFC Kentucky Fried Chicken or just
KFC specifically in the United Kingdom made a pledge, Hey,
by twenty twenty six, we are going to stop using
these types of chickens. We are going to source our
(44:24):
chickens from places that have enough space to move around,
that have natural light, that have all of these things
basically the way you would want a chicken to live.
Even if that chicken from the moment of birth is
going to be killed and eaten, that chicken is going
to have a better life right now. That doesn't mean
it's a good thing for that chicken necessarily, right, But
(44:46):
it does mean if human beings are going to be
eating chicken, at least the people who make those chickens
into food can treat them well.
Speaker 3 (44:55):
Right.
Speaker 2 (44:56):
Kind of an awesome move. KFC got a lot of accolades,
or at least a lot of tips of the hat like, hey,
good on you for at least treating the chickens while
or pledging to do it. But they just came out
and said, hey, everybody, there is just no way that
we can meet this stuff. Because of the demand for
chicken and the amount of chicken that's being produced and
(45:17):
the type of producers that are out there, we cannot
source enough chicken.
Speaker 3 (45:21):
Like even if we raised the prices right the people
the past, what people are willing to pay, even if
we satisfied every other variable and obstacle, the supply chain
itself is already so dependent upon this pattern that there's
no way to alter it. You'd have to kind of
build out a new chain of chicken chain.
Speaker 4 (45:40):
Yep.
Speaker 2 (45:41):
They they were gonna get slower growing breaths. They were gonna,
you know, have chickens that lived in light where they
can move around. And they just said, no, we can't
do We have to buy We have to buy chicken.
So sorry, it's just kind of awful.
Speaker 4 (45:54):
And then that foresee these potential roadblocks, like people want chicken.
People aren't gonna stop wanting chicken. You made a pledge,
but that's why.
Speaker 2 (46:01):
In twenty nineteen. It was a pledge rather than a
here is what we're doing next year or something like that. Right,
hopefully the stars will align or you know, the circumstances
will change such that we can meet these goals. It
just looks like they didn't.
Speaker 4 (46:18):
It's declaration of intent, like a rose colored glasses pr
move more than anything.
Speaker 3 (46:24):
I mean, did they did? When did they know the facts?
The sad reality is they see it right about the
economics of scale and the chickens. Versus to your question, no,
when did they decide, oh, we'll hold off a second
and just let this good pr wash over us.
Speaker 5 (46:42):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (46:43):
Well, here's a quote from Ruth Edge e Edge. She
is the head of sustainability at KFC UK and Ireland.
She was talking to the Egg and Poultry Industry Conference,
or at the Egg and Poultry Industry Conference in Wales
and this is actually as of last well maybe a
(47:03):
week and a half ago as we're recording this. She said, quote,
we're not saying we're never going to but we're saying
for twenty twenty six and the way the market has
developed or lack of, we're not going to be able
to do it.
Speaker 4 (47:18):
I guess I just don't fully understand what these unforeseen
market forces were. It just seems like it's business as usual,
Like what is the big surprise.
Speaker 2 (47:29):
I'll give you just more from this VBC article we
mentioned at the top. KFC says there's an inadequate supply
to meet the commitment because farmers are not switching in
big enough numbers to slower growing.
Speaker 3 (47:39):
Breeds, probably because they can't afford to.
Speaker 2 (47:42):
To be honest, yes, yes, according to KFC, they're working
to source chickens from farms with quote lower stocking densities,
but they're just having issues. They're not finding enough basically
chicken growers, which is kind of a weird thing to
think about, who are switching to the practices that they
want to switch to because there's just literally not enough chicken.
Speaker 4 (48:02):
Okay, well, I get it. I guess that makes sense.
I just don't know how they thought that things were
going to be so much different.
Speaker 3 (48:10):
It's a weird one because it's again it's economy of scale.
And it's also interesting that this is a UK specific
situation right now for them, because I wonder, you know,
and this is very tangentially related, but I wonder if
the scope of this has anything to do with the
EU Brexit situation, if there are maybe laws in the
(48:33):
EU that are different or more amenable to this kind
of pledge or appearance of a pledge, or.
Speaker 4 (48:42):
If economic hardships brought on by Brexit led to a
slow down, and what maybe was seeming to be.
Speaker 3 (48:50):
In the in the car it chicken industry is so
crazy too, Like there's this whole middle passage for chickens
grown in the US getting taken over to China for
processing sent back to the US, that some parts of
that chicken are also re sold over the Pacific.
Speaker 4 (49:04):
Where the laws allow right where Like, yeah.
Speaker 3 (49:08):
It's bigger than the I know the British hate to
hear it, but it's bigger than England.
Speaker 2 (49:12):
Let's do a big chicken episode. I think, have we
not know we've had a livestock, livestock, but let's do
like just chicken.
Speaker 3 (49:21):
Sure, so yeah, big chickens.
Speaker 2 (49:24):
And I got one last thing, well, two last things
to mention that we're not going to actually cover today.
The first one is a missing person's case. Hannah Kobayashi.
This is somebody that again I think we need a
full episode on. This is somebody who went missing on well,
she didn't go missing on November eighth, but it's the
story of her going missing when she flew from Hawaii
(49:47):
to Los Angeles began on November eighth of this year.
And there's a bunch of twists and turns that are
happening right now, specifically stuff that happened with her father
pretty recently. It's very strange and I think it's worth
our time. We just we won't have enough time to
cover in one of these episodes. But yeah, definitely look
up Hannah Kobyashi if you have time, and you can
(50:07):
also look up Ryan Kobyashi, who is Hannah's father who
recently passed away as well. So missing person and then
father missing person who was looking for her passed away.
Very sad messed up, but it seems like a human
trafficking situation, so something at least to keep her eye on.
Last thing to mention is the DEA has decided to
(50:28):
stop doing that whole civil asset forfeiture thing at airports
where they quote randomly search people.
Speaker 3 (50:35):
And shack your stuff check out in English exactly. And
a big part of that, by the way, is all
the all the successful legal proceedings, yes that have taken place,
but civil asset forfeiture still applies to other agencies and
other situations. Folks, be careful.
Speaker 4 (50:51):
Can I just say I've been really enjoying this TV
series on Peacock called Lions that is about a CIA
program of betting women in with like basically the close
relatives or girlfriends or wives of terrorists targets. But one
thing that I thought was really interesting in an episode,
there's a part where they have a joint operation with
the DEA, and it feels like it's a show that
(51:14):
has a lot of research behind it, but it really
shows how certain agencies are not created equal in terms
of the resources they get, and the DEA does not
have the level of resources as say.
Speaker 3 (51:26):
The CIA or even the FBI. Wow.
Speaker 4 (51:29):
Yeah, And the way they show it in the episode
that I'm talking about is really stark and fascinating.
Speaker 3 (51:34):
Atf is in a similar situation to what you're describing. Also,
I would say, in addition to unequal resources, some have
more flexibility in their rules than others, or at least
have historically.
Speaker 4 (51:47):
Wasn't it some agency couldn't recently like justify where a
gazillion dollars went, and they.
Speaker 3 (51:53):
Are like a Pentagon every year.
Speaker 4 (51:54):
Yeah, but there was a specific story happen. I wish
I had better memory of which agency this was, but
it was a big headline of a certain amount of
money and discretionary funds, which basically is up to supervisors
to determine where it goes. That they couldn't justify or
couldn't exactly say where it went. And that's not that
big a deal in some situations.
Speaker 3 (52:12):
Oh gosh, looks like the Pentagon is set to again
fail its annual audit.
Speaker 4 (52:17):
That's what it was, Thank you, Ben, That's what it was. Yep,
as simple as that. But again, not big news in general.
No one's gonna get in trouble exactly. It's just a
pass the buck kind of situation. And these discretionary budgets
are a very real thing.
Speaker 3 (52:30):
Well, I gotta say again, attempting to keep things positive,
the Pentagon is setting a track record for the largest
entity of its type to repeatedly fail its annual audit.
Oh shit, they've got their numbers up there.
Speaker 2 (52:47):
Yes, and I found a story from a month ago. Guys.
This is from New York Posts, So okay, whatever, but
here's the title, World Bank Bureaucrats lost track of at
least twenty four billion dollars in funds fighting climate change.
And here's a quote from one of the officials. It
could be twice or ten times more.
Speaker 4 (53:09):
When you say fighting climate change, do you mean fighting
the concept of climate change?
Speaker 5 (53:15):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (53:15):
Yeah, yeah, Okay, they were just bought. They put on
like gloves and they were just fighting the concept.
Speaker 3 (53:20):
No, no, no, no no no.
Speaker 4 (53:21):
Truly though, is this like anti climate change propaganda or
are they literally attempting to combat the effects of climate change?
And just that that headline is vague.
Speaker 3 (53:31):
It lends to check out our episode on greenwashing. It
lends to that idea with somebody laundry money. Were they
funding initiatives or inngos? Look, it's hard to it's hard
to rock with most individuals because most individuals technically are
not billionaires, but a lot of money goes through the
(53:51):
cracks every year. If you go to American Military News
for a comp here, you can see that just a
few days ago the Pentagon failed its seventh in a
row and they cannot account for eight hundred and twenty
four billion dollars.
Speaker 4 (54:04):
Bro you mentioned refly the Macy's thing. Some employee, an
individual managed to conceal one hundred and fifteen roughly million dollars,
and it didn't affect them paying any of their suppliers,
because you know, that was just a drop in the
bucket of their billions of dollars and it's just it
just disappeared.
Speaker 3 (54:23):
One hundred and fifty four million dollars.
Speaker 4 (54:25):
Geez.
Speaker 3 (54:26):
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Speaker 2 (00:26):
Hello, welcome back to the show. My name is Matt,
my name is Noah.
Speaker 3 (00:30):
They call me Bed. We're joined as always with our
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are here. That makes this the stuff they don't want
you to know. If you're listening to this the evening
it comes out, Welcome to December, Monday, December second, the
last month of twenty twenty four. The calendar may stop
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pretty soon, but the news does not. We just credit
where it's due. Dylan is so awesome, you guys. As
we were get ready to record our strange news segment,
Dylan said, Hey, did you guys see that news about
dB Cooper? And I think we all immediately went, what, I.
Speaker 4 (01:09):
Don't know anything about this. Oh my gosh, tell me
more again.
Speaker 3 (01:12):
Gretit to Dylla. But we've learned this just came out
pretty recently this week, I think just yesterday. It's a
new lead on the dB Cooper case, the only unsolved
skyjacking in American history. But it's maybe a lead because
it appears that the children of a guy named Richard McCoy,
the second a convicted skyjacker, have been hiding a modified
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parachute for years, and this modified parachute maybe similar to
the type authorities believe dB Cooper used in his nineteen
seventy one skyjacking. I'm pulling a lot of this from
our pals at Interesting Engineering Capill Kajal.
Speaker 4 (01:53):
What does a modified parachute consist of?
Speaker 3 (01:56):
Unclear at this point. We need to do a little
bit more digging. This is probably one of those do
the reddit kind of situations, but probably the modification for
the harness, I would imagine. I'm just guessing here.
Speaker 4 (02:07):
What does it mean? Ben? Is this guy potentially the
mysterious dB Cooper or just related, perhaps a co conspirator.
Speaker 3 (02:17):
Perhaps? You know, skyjacking is not a typical run of
the mill crime. Thankfully, the FBI says they do know
a little bit more about the parachute modification because they
know the guy who modified parachutes, a guy named Earl
Cossi who's a skydiver working with the FBI until twenty thirteen,
when he was murdered.
Speaker 2 (02:37):
Yeah, and this particular thing was found by this dude
named Dan Grider who's a YouTuber right, and he found
it two years ago in a North Carolina property that
used to be owned by this other person, Richard McCoy
the second, who is he is a known skyheister, convicted skyjacker,
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and he ended up dying in nineteen seventy four. But
just the fact that this parachute was found on property
from this guy he was also a skyjacker, means that
maybe this dude McCoy was the real McCoy the Well,
so maybe the need for modifying a parachute for a
skyjacking have to do with the ability to like carry
more cargo, hold more stuff.
Speaker 3 (03:19):
You know. I just wonder it could be carrying more stuff,
that's a great idea. It could be possibly making it
less conspicuous if you carry it off you on a plane.
Speaker 4 (03:29):
To smuggle in so nobody knows that you've got a
big old hunchback situation going on.
Speaker 3 (03:33):
I'm sure we'll find the answers there. We just we
got this as breaking news deliver if we can get
a breaking news sound cue. Great. Uh, there's another thing
I think Matt, you want to talk about before we
before we really dive in here. We've said it in
the past, the there is a tragic and inspiring world
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record that has has a pretty high turnaround.
Speaker 2 (04:00):
Oh yeah, So back in April of this year, the
oldest man was Juan Vincente Perez. He was one hundred
and fourteen years old, and then he died and then
I know, but he a awesome long life, right now,
that's true, it's true. Nice work, mister Perez. Then it
got or the crown, I suppose, was moved on over
(04:20):
to a gentleman in England named John Tenniswood, who up
until just a few days ago was one hundred and
twelve years old. Again a nice ripe old age. But
unfortunately the crown has now passed on to somebody new
that we don't know yet.
Speaker 3 (04:35):
Right because they're still searching, and unfortunately, in this particular
world record, there's a non zero chance that the person
who technically holds that record now may pass away before
they get found. It's really tough too, because when we're
talking about someone living that long of a life a centurion,
than what you're seeing is the records get dodgy. The
(04:56):
further back you go. And I love that we're pointing
out it's the world's oldest and which is rated differently
because women human women tend to live longer than human dudes.
The oldest living person right now is Tonika Etoka, Japanese national,
who is currently one hundred and sixteen years old. Miss Atoka.
We wish you the best. What a life, What stories
(05:18):
you must have?
Speaker 2 (05:19):
All right? What do you say we get to the news, guys.
Speaker 4 (05:21):
Oh man, we should.
Speaker 3 (05:22):
We'll be back after word from our sponsors, and we
have returned. Been holding on to a lot of disturbing
espionage news, particularly in the world of cyber attacks and
China and the EU and the United States. That might
(05:45):
be something we get to if we have time. First
and foremost, I was thinking, guys, we look at DHL.
I'm sure we all saw the news. There's some excellent
reporting about this. A plane from DHL, a cargo plane,
crashed near the Venilius airport in Lithuania. The investigators are
(06:08):
currently looking into it. But one thing that made this
clock on our radar is huh radar aviation jokes, is
that the the plane left from Germany and Germany's foreign
Minister just in the wee hours on Monday as we're
as we're recording this said this could have been an
(06:29):
accident or it could have been quote a hybrid attack
in volatile times. The plane itself, swift Air Flight five
nine six zero, was a Boeing, but I get in
front of that. It was a Boeing seven thirty seven.
It was operated by Swift Air on behalf of the
quarrier company DHL. The investigation is ongoing as we record now.
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We do know, unfortunately, there was one fatality, there were
two injuries. We're not sure exactly what went wrong. The
big question right now is was it a technical issue,
which unfortunately can happen with any aircraft, or was someone
purposely messing with the plane or messing with something on
(07:19):
the plane? Was this an act of belevolence. That's what
is keeping several authorities in the EU up at night
right now. A great primer on this as of now
is a piece from Lee Kemmins McManus, who is writing
for The Daily Beast. Playe operated by DHL downed in
mystery crash that killed one person. Now, this is a
(07:44):
great article because it gives you the timeline the primer
of the tragic events, but it also points us to
the larger context. This was not happening in a vacuum.
Speaker 4 (07:56):
Guys.
Speaker 3 (07:56):
If we go back further in the month, still very
recently to November fifth, shout out V for Vendetta, is
that the right one?
Speaker 4 (08:04):
I think it is. Remember remember the fifth I think
that's right.
Speaker 3 (08:08):
Okay, all right, I'm looking at you guys for all right. So, uh,
if we go to an article by Frank Gardner, who
is a security correspondence for BBC, we see that someone
quote unquote any unnamed Russian intelligence agency may have been
targeting courier companies already in Poland and the United Kingdom
(08:33):
and in Germany DHL.
Speaker 4 (08:36):
Is is it like consumer facing or is this more
for large freight stuff. It appears to be a very
large private logistics and shipping company. I'm just wondering who's
it for.
Speaker 3 (08:48):
They do express mail, they do package delivery with the
ups etical court. It's like Germany, he says, we have
ups at home. It's it's huge. They do over one
seven billion parcels a year. They are a German logistics company.
So if you were trying to disrupt or test run
(09:09):
disruption on a Caurier network DHL would be a great
thing to compromise. This is why people are so intensely
curious as to whether the recent Lithuania crash was the
result of a conspiracy, because these parcel fires that have
already been happening. Last month, in September, authorities arrested four
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people in an inter European investigation Western security officials. As
a Western security people anyway, it's their job, is what
we're saying. Those guys told US media that they think
these fires that were occurring as early as this summer
is July, were quote an orchestrated campaign by Russia's military
(09:56):
intelligence agency that gru Now, let's walk it out, walk
it out, Let's dig up the rubarb on this one. Guys,
why would you, if you were an intelligence agency, why
would you do dry runs on a courier company like this?
I don't know.
Speaker 4 (10:14):
And I'm also like I've always wondered, like how large
these types of courrier planes are. So like a seven
thirty seven that's like a jumbo jet. I mean, that's
the same type of plane that would be before, you know,
transporting passengers. It does appear that the pilot and the
co pilot survived and it was only one crew member
that was killed, So it seems like it would be
about the same level of staff as a commercial flight
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as well.
Speaker 2 (10:38):
Yeah, and yes and no. Right, it is a whole
different operation because we are talking about cargo planes where
it's mostly cargo that's being taken out.
Speaker 4 (10:47):
I'm just saying in terms of like personnel, like you know,
you need a pilot, you need a copilot, and then
obviously there was some additional crew. I'm just wondering about
how many.
Speaker 3 (10:55):
Like that's really it's a great question because typically, I mean,
think of a locomotive here in the United States, they're
going to have a shockingly small staff for the amount
or small crew for the amount of stuff they're carrying.
And often, depending on the nature of the cargo, you'll
see the same thing in aviation as you would in locomotion.
(11:17):
I keep going back to these explosions, guys, because get
this right now, the best guess for the series of
explosions over summer was that someone quote unquote someone had
loaded rigged electric massage machines into cargo, and not all
(11:39):
of the machines were rigged, just like not every pager
made by that company in one country or another was
rigged to explode. But these these had some sort of
magnesium based thing some sort of to them, right, which
is not what your electric massage machine is supposed to do.
We don't know the nature of the massage machine, but
(12:00):
we're looking into it. Apparently they had an incendiary device
as well attached, and this led to the things catching
fire or blowing up. So some of them just sort
of caught light and then some of them absolutely exploded.
Speaker 2 (12:21):
Okay, So I want to go back to the question
you asked Ben where like why would they do this?
Speaker 5 (12:25):
Right?
Speaker 2 (12:25):
What's the goal for doing this stuff? So in my mind,
I'm only seeing two scenarios, and maybe I'm wrong, So
tell me what you think. The first one is to
disrupt specific shipments, So get your shipments with the firebomb
things onto other DHL shipments that they know have strategic
either weapons or you know, like aid supplies or food
(12:48):
or something that one of these courier services is sending
to like a war zone, right sure.
Speaker 3 (12:52):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (12:53):
The second would be to somehow disrupt operations at a
large hub, like in this instance, where it's a huge
DHL hub that you know, then has a massive fire
and crash incident, which means probably most of their stuff
is going to get delayed at least for some period
of time, depending on how bad the situation is, right.
Speaker 3 (13:15):
Right, Yeah, and I think you're getting to one of
the most salient points here in this kind of operation.
If there is an operation afoot, the content of the
cargo may matter less than the infrastructure reach of the carrier. Right, So,
if you are, for instance, compromising FedEx, you're not necessarily
(13:37):
looking for one truck based on what it carries. You're
looking for a truck based on where it goes. And
so the ability to infiltrate the logistics operations of a
giant like DHL is quite appealing tasymmetric warfare. And before
this sounds too dry, I saw, well, let's go to
New York Post, not my favorite source, but to give
(13:59):
the human in toll of this, I'd love to briefly
play an audio clip of the Lithuania crash. Is that
all right with you, guys?
Speaker 4 (14:06):
I was going to ask. I just saw that that
was available. Yeah, I'm anxious to hear it.
Speaker 3 (14:10):
Right, Well, this will be short, it may not be
appropriate for all listeners. So so just trigger warning ahead
of time. If this is not your bag of badgers.
Fast forward about a minute and a half.
Speaker 5 (14:22):
When does.
Speaker 6 (14:26):
Good morning delta the son thousands of four thousand feet
tell me to one zero zero that's apportunately. Remember this is.
Speaker 3 (14:34):
The moment air traffic control realize the loss.
Speaker 5 (14:38):
Of the flight expected ailist runway one night firm and
looking forward to the ailist.
Speaker 2 (14:45):
I think in the shot you can see the plane
weigh in the distance right, Yes, but that's correct, firm.
Speaker 5 (14:52):
Uh if for what he does that, we are all
put the after.
Speaker 6 (15:00):
The centautus to two thousand, seven hundred feet can eat
one two zero greet unless you one manner establish okay
undred six.
Speaker 5 (15:12):
Question too serious here and we have there for the
island will report to fablish postman question the multiple goes.
Cancel your start up, go back to your stand number.
We just got a.
Speaker 2 (15:31):
Crash of aircraft on the finals, so we will need sometime.
Speaker 3 (15:39):
We'll stop there. The first thing to say here is
that we have to commend the control of the professionals involved.
You know, you're hearing people reporting facts. They're not panicking.
We can clearly hear you know, the first forty to
fifty seconds where it's just routine. And I don't know
about you, guys, but in my experience kicking it with
(16:02):
ATC folks air traffic Control, they already their routine is
already very intense.
Speaker 4 (16:08):
They're all customers.
Speaker 2 (16:09):
Yeah, And in that video you can see the plane
coming in right as everybody's doing, they're getting commps from
the airplane. Airplane pilot and copriter are communicating and saying, yeah,
we're going down to twenty seven hundred feet, we're like
descending now. And then right as it goes over the
top of that DHL building, like in the background, you
(16:29):
see a huge fireball.
Speaker 4 (16:32):
Yeah, guys, is there any possibility that this is a
you know, nine to eleven esque attack of some sort?
I mean, obviously not from the same personnel that did
that here in this country, but you know, it did
narrowly miss a residential property. I just wonder if it
was like a weaponization of an aircraft.
Speaker 3 (16:50):
That's the question. Right now. We're still in kind of
a fog of war situation as the investigation continues, because
some investigators or some sources have said, we think this
is a technical issue, right Others are saying, clearly, this
occurs within the context of that July arson attack series.
(17:14):
We haven't had too much official statement language from the
aircraft manufacturer Boeing other than condolences for crew members and
families supporting the investigation honestly the boiler plate stuff. But again,
I think it's indicative of the larger milieu here, the
(17:36):
incredibly high tension right now between NATO and Russia, between
Germany and Russia, that they immediately went public and said, hey,
we don't we don't know, right, we don't want to
accidentally trigger an escalation by making unfounded accusations. One of
the latest updates is that the Lithuanian Special Services during
(18:00):
they're briefing said there have been at this point no
indications of foul play, so it could have just been
a tragic accident. And with that, I have to ask you, guys,
do you got any Spidey sense tingling on this?
Speaker 4 (18:13):
Just a Boeing can't catch a break?
Speaker 3 (18:17):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (18:17):
This is a weird situation. I think we're going to
have to learn more because it it when you watch
there are other videos that are available of this specific
plane crash where it does look as though it's descending
in a normal flight pattern. And then then at the
end it tail it You can see the tail go
up as though it is going nose DIY, but it
(18:38):
knows dies within We're talking one hundred something feet two
under very low just all of a sudden just goes
So it could have just been pilot error and we
just don't know yet.
Speaker 3 (18:49):
We do also on a gain of positive notes. You know,
you guys have been trying to look for positive things lately.
The two folks who did survive, it's entirely due to
the action of the first responders and to dark lottery.
Upon impact, the cockpit of the aircraft was separated from
the fuselage and the fuselage ignited. So if these first
(19:14):
responders had not been as professional and as quick and
competent as they are, and if the cockpit had remained attached,
this would be a very different story. So with this
in mind, fellow conspiracy realist, we want your help. You
don't have to be extensively experienced in aviation or in
sabotaging electric massage machines, I guess, but we'd love to
(19:37):
hear the larger context. We'd love to hear your theories,
from most plausible to the most out. There is it
possible that we could be watching asymmetrical at least penetration
test or dry runs of such a large supply chain network.
If so, let us know. Conspiracy atiheartradio dot Com won
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(20:01):
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more strange news.
Speaker 4 (20:22):
And we've returned after a pretty spirited conversation off air
about these potential tariffs coming our way and what that
might mean in terms of, you know, potential compromand from
the Russians on the US government, on the new incoming administration.
It's something that I think we reserve for an on
(20:42):
air discussion a little bit later. But it is fascinating stuff.
But in the meantime, you guys remember Pokemon Go to
the joy I.
Speaker 3 (20:51):
Remember specifically a couple of times with Pokemon Go Noel
we would be hanging out somewhere, would have all the
way I kindly requested for people not to point their
cameras at I know that.
Speaker 4 (21:05):
I remember there was a snorlax on your shoulder and
you were like, get that boy, go find a different
find different marks. Yeah, you did say it respectfully, Ben,
and I do appreciate that.
Speaker 2 (21:18):
The ex wife was obsessed and she would travel to
all different places to catch the old Pokemons.
Speaker 4 (21:25):
Well, you know, we see oftentimes here in the fair
metropolis of Metro Atlanta, those Google cars rolling around mapping stuff,
taking photographs. And you know, I'm sure we've all Google
mapped our homes and we see, oh, that picture is
from a year ago, or that picture is from six
months ago, or what have you, because there's a different
(21:47):
tree or a different bench or something, or it was
before I even lived here.
Speaker 3 (21:51):
I waved to the Waimo driver today who was collecting stuff.
I was running some errands and exercising. I do that
pretty early in the morning now, and I almost got
hit by the Waymo driver, and so I just waved
that we.
Speaker 4 (22:06):
Don't have driverless waymos here yet, though I don't think
right I saw. I saw my first one in Austin,
Texas recently, which I believe is ground z all that
kind of stuff, but it was driverless.
Speaker 3 (22:16):
I looked it looked to have a guy sitting sitting
in there, but not with the hands on the wheel.
Speaker 4 (22:24):
The one I saw in Austin was fully unmanned and
it was freaky. I'd never seen one before and it
was like right next to me, and I was like,
what if it just you know, goes ai, goes bonkers
and just sideswipes us or something.
Speaker 3 (22:36):
So yeah, all to say thank you for not hitting
me this morning, and also.
Speaker 4 (22:41):
All to say thank you for not Pokemon going, Ben
as well. This is a big obsession. I did it
for a bit. It's fun because it capitalized on people's
desire to play games but also to kind of touch grass.
Right before that was as much of a a a
kind of a buzz phrase as it is now. And
so I remember when it first came out. Super smart,
(23:03):
very very I guess tapped in people that I'm friends with,
We're super into Pokemon Go. Knowing full well the background
of the parent company, Neantic and their ties to Google,
their ties to government programs. I believe there's some personnel
involved in Nantick that had previous connections to the NSA. Ben,
(23:24):
do you remember what the deal was with that. What
was the Nantic government kind of crossover.
Speaker 3 (23:29):
Yeah, so Niantic is a pretty fascinating case. It is
an American software company, right. I think a lot of
people when you hear Pokemon Go, you assume it's a
Japanese company, makes sense, but Neantic is not. They're based
out of San Francisco, and there are questions about things
like the board and the founding the company had spun out.
(23:53):
It started with Google, but it comes from Google in
twenty fifteen after Google said hey, we're restructuring to Alphabet Incorporated.
Speaker 4 (24:03):
Yes, And if I'm not mistaken, the current senior vice
president of engineering at Nantick also had ties to Google Earth,
formerly a part of Google, where he was the co
creator of Google Earth and street View and Google Maps.
So sorry, a lot of preamble here to say that
your suspicions and concerns Ben along with again many of
(24:26):
my very smart friends who'd still use the service or
use the free game, were in fact accurate on a
couple of fronts. So there is a recent article from Jalopnik,
which is a site that you guys always used to
cite on car stuff. It's a really really cool site.
Speaker 3 (24:42):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (24:42):
I like jelopnick a lot, and the headline says it
all guys, Pokemon Go was a plot to use your
data to fast track an AI slop Google Maps competitor.
And I don't know if you guys have been seeing
this term flying around a lot more, but I love
the term slop referring to like AI generated garba basically
or kind of like lazy fake art or writing. They
(25:04):
call it AI slop. So all of those individuals, millions
and millions, chances are you out there probably played the
game at least once. I certainly did all of that
information where you would go out into the world to
catch these Pokemon. You gotta catch them all, and to
go to these places called gyms or there are certain
(25:24):
like waypoints where you had to like it was like
usually it would be a big, big building or a
target or some kind of like geographical location which is
where you would have to go to fight other Pokemon men.
That was all part of it. So all of the information,
the data generated by all of these people rolling around
and checking in and scanning with their phones. This it's
ultra what do they call it, augmented reality. So you
(25:46):
got an overlay of the little fella. You know, you
throw the ball at him, you try to catch it,
and in that period of holding your phone up, the
phone is recording what you're pointing it at, likely logging
the GPS data as well as the imagery. So rather
than having to have a some sort of unmanned vehicle
or a Google street View car driving around constantly scanning
(26:08):
and photographing and mapping spatially all of the different streets,
you've got human beings which are much more nimble, able
to get into much tighter places. And when you combine
all of that into this massive neural network, you get
really good information about about data points related to mapping
the best walking distance because when you would put it
(26:31):
in I remember, haven't played it in a long time,
you would kind of get walking directions on the thing
to get to the point that you were seeking this pokemon.
They would be like, oh, you so and so a
rare snorlax was found near you, and then it would
map you there.
Speaker 3 (26:45):
And further, you're incentivized to go to very specific places.
Speaker 4 (26:49):
They're telling you they.
Speaker 3 (26:50):
Can put it wherever they want. Yes, specually, you guys know,
I'm on the I'm on the road a lot. Knowing
people who play Pokemon go if they're if they're traveling, uh,
they can actually end up getting Now I'm not fully
sure about the details of this because I don't participate
as a player in this game. They can depending on
their point of origin, they can get different incentives to
(27:14):
travel different places that a local might not receive. Well, yeah,
and let me just give you this really quick.
Speaker 4 (27:19):
But I mentioned the Jelopnik article and the headlines by
Bradley Brown. Now he says it very very succinctly by
strategically placing poke stops and Pokemon gyms, because the poke stops,
if I'm I'm saying, that's where you'd have to go
to get more stuff, to get more poke balls to
get you get them for free. After the stop replenished
after a period of time, you would then go there again,
(27:42):
click on it and it would spin around a little
coin thing and you'd get random gear loot drops basically,
so I'm sorry to finish. By strategically placing poke stops
and Pokemon gyms, the gyms being where you'd go to
fight other Pokemon. The company was able to grab images
and scans of locations that even Google doesn't have street
view images of Wow.
Speaker 2 (28:02):
Yeah, So think about your Google Maps car that maybe
many of us have seen, kind of like the Waymo car.
It is on a track, right, it's it's a series
of basically a giant three sixty series of cameras and
it's on that track. It can see everything that is
along that track. What they were able to do is
(28:22):
take all the cameras off the track, including into your backyard.
Speaker 4 (28:26):
Yes, in your living room, dude, these things would appear
in you on your couch. Sorry.
Speaker 3 (28:31):
Oh yeah.
Speaker 2 (28:31):
But one of the things that they're pointing out here
in their tracking data, which is again gotta say something
we pointed out in twenty sixteen twenty seventeen when we
talked about this. They are able to get not just
in the front of that church that's along the road
they are they can get on the side of it,
in the back of the church because hey, there's a
Pikachu back there. They can now get in like literally
(28:55):
your backyard, in your sideyard, and have a three D
imaged version of all of that stuff. Google car can't
come into your living room. Google car can't drive into
your backyard, but it's your property.
Speaker 3 (29:08):
You're there.
Speaker 4 (29:09):
I would play it sometimes literally in my own home,
so it probably is trying. I mean, it's got a
three hundred and sixty degree three D map of my house.
It knows where you poop, no question about it.
Speaker 3 (29:19):
This other part two, I appreciate the point about getting
off of the road right or getting away from Like,
satellites are terribly clever invention, but they can't get everything.
So this is tremendously valuable data, especially if you can
incentivize to incentivize a user to go to a place
like a you know, a part of East Asia, right,
(29:42):
just say Tokyo for an example, that has a ton
of side streets where you couldn't get that conventional Google
Map car. You might have somebody with that big nerdy
backpack and have them walking around Kapakichi or whatever. But
then extend that later, gentlemen, like as Homer Simpson says
in Bigging it to perhaps some areas of the Middle
(30:02):
East where you might have the same issue getting that
heavy equipment over and keeping it safe in a place
where automobile accidents happened. So now you've just got a
bunch of people on their phones. Hey, US military or
anybody who has the scratch this is how you get
around the side streets in Basra or we're.
Speaker 4 (30:24):
Gonn get to that aspect in just a second, but
I do just want to add to that point when
you're absolutely right. Another great quote here. This is a
statement from Neantik itself basically coppying to everything we're talking
about and say, what what would you think we were doing?
Over the past five years, Niantic is focused on building
our visual positioning system, which uses a single image from
a phone to determine its position and orientation using a
(30:46):
three D map built from people scanning interesting locations in
our games and scan averse.
Speaker 3 (30:53):
I just love it's built from people.
Speaker 4 (30:55):
It's from people. It reminds me of that thing in
Batman and I believe it was the Dark Night, or
maybe it was the original one. Everyone's phone was. They
hacked everyone's phone, reverse engineered them, like it was a
power that no one should have. That was the whole
big thing about it that Lucius Fox said, like, how
can once we do this, we can't ever go back?
Turn everyone's phone into a listening device so they could
(31:16):
find and a three D mapping device so they could
find That's right, so they could find the batty. One
thing I have noticed recently too that other mapping apps
are doing, like Google Maps and Apple Maps, is you
can get more precision in city locations where the GPS
kind of gets a little wonky by using this live
(31:38):
view and scanning around and it'll it'll capture the buildings
and it will then give you an ar augmented reality
overlay of an arrow pointing you in the right direction.
Speaker 3 (31:48):
That is what this is.
Speaker 4 (31:50):
These guys have just been doing it longer.
Speaker 3 (31:51):
I would argue New York once.
Speaker 4 (31:54):
Well, and I know that it's effie, you know, I
get it, But it's also very convenient and it really
does work better. But that information that when we do that,
we are contributing to the ecosystem of all of this.
And there's so much more we could talk about here,
but I do just want to mention what you said
bet the military aspect of this in a I believe
(32:15):
a presentation that was recently captured.
Speaker 3 (32:19):
I believe it broke or it was leaked in some way.
Speaker 4 (32:22):
Four h four Media covered this a presentation by Brian McClendon,
the Anti Senior vice president of Engineering, again also formerly
part of Google, the co creator of Google Earth, street
View and Google Maps essentially did a presentation called Coordinates
of Tomorrow Why spatial computing needs a new map, And
this happened earlier this month. This article came out just
(32:42):
of just like literally two days ago, today being November
the twenty seventh, and that said, I'm just gonna read
from this piece on bleedingcool dot com. During the Q
and A portion, a comment came from Bellingcat's open source
analyst and former British Army officer Nick Waters, saying that
LGM large geospatial models would be unbelievably useful to the
(33:06):
military and asked if it was foreseeable for governments and
militaries to purchase the information from Nantick, Ben, that is
what you were describing, like, how do we find these
secret path paths through these back alleys in places where
we don't have that kind of satellite capability. People play
Pokemon Go all over the world. It's super popular in Asia,
(33:29):
and I don't know exactly how it ports over to
the Middle East or some of the other countries we're
talking about, but I haven't heard of it being banned outright.
Speaker 3 (33:38):
Imagine this spin it out? Okay, this is just the
thought experiment that I think our heads are going the
same place here. Cast aside the general unhelpful stereotypes about
who would or who would not play this sort of
mobile game, let's remember that there might be people in
secure areas who, for one reason or another, and board
(34:01):
because their job is just to push that red button
in a worst case scenario, and now they're looking for
you know.
Speaker 2 (34:07):
Document, Ben, that's brilliant and terrifying.
Speaker 5 (34:10):
Dude.
Speaker 4 (34:10):
You're absolutely right, somebody breaking the rules, obviously breaking the
rules with their own personal device that maybe they got
slipped through whatever. I know there are clearances, and then
you know, these things are not supposed to happen, but
I can see it happening, dude.
Speaker 2 (34:23):
So the first image I got in my head when
you were talking about that, Ben, was the Pentagon. Right,
somebody just like accidentally mapping the entirety of the Pentagon.
But I think it could be. I think you're right.
I think it's like critical infrastructure on a more local scale,
So like those water treatment plants that we've always said
were super vulnerable, or the.
Speaker 4 (34:41):
Data centers whatever.
Speaker 3 (34:43):
Yes, yes, Further, even if the security is up to
snuff in some of those more sensitive locations. Imagine if
you're looking at a foreign power, right and you're officially
front of me's or whatever, but you know the water's boiling,
there might be some shit going sideways on the horizon. Well,
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you don't need to have someone foolish enough to use
a personal device in that secure area. You can map
it by the absence of coverage. So what if everybody
is to create a whole game until they get to
this one part? Now, why is there a hole? Let's
send a satellite or it's like, hey, there's a.
Speaker 4 (35:22):
Wild war total in the war room.
Speaker 2 (35:24):
You know, dude, I mean that's how you find those
secret buildings you guys covered. Uh, it's exactly what it is,
like everybody, there's a poke stop somewhere, and we noticed
that some users go into every single one of these
rowhouses except for.
Speaker 4 (35:38):
This one because the game rewards you with that kind
of fastidious obsessive like mapping. That's literally what it is, man,
the ude. We maybe should do an episode on some
of this when information comes out. I think it's time
to drop this one for now. But really, really great
points all around, guys. Let's take a quick break here
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Speaker 3 (36:37):
I speak, I know where you're going. Maybe I'm excited
to find out, Matt, because I swear to god I
almost texted you guys on that group chat where I'm
texting you way too much.
Speaker 2 (36:45):
Oh well, hey, credit where credit is due. I got
this via text for my friend AJ and she just said,
look at this. It is, guys, a four pound garden
gnome fully shaped, looks like it's three D printed, and
it is made of ecstasy slash molly slash MDMA.
Speaker 3 (37:06):
Finally, right, I think I speak for all of us.
Speaker 4 (37:08):
Finally, Can I also just say that ecstasy gnome would
be a sick name for an electro band. Oh yeah, I.
Speaker 3 (37:14):
Feel like I know a guy who goes by that.
But it's one of these one of those nicknames that
I don't, you know, I hate when this happens. I
think it's a nickname that no one uses around him.
Speaker 4 (37:25):
Yeah, he might not even know he has that. Yeah,
I want to know.
Speaker 2 (37:29):
Dyl So check this out in the Southern Netherlands. By
the way, this comes to us via BBC. We'll read
the title so you could find it. Dutch police find
gnome made of M D M A during drug bust
and uh so there is there's a lot of suspected
narcotics in this one area, and hanging out with those
suspected narcotics is a garden nome. It's got its hands
(37:50):
over its mouth and it looks like it's going.
Speaker 4 (37:52):
Gee and it's just as high as crap.
Speaker 2 (37:56):
It's probably it's grinding its teeth because it just popped
its own beam, which is I think a drug slang.
So it is fully made, like formed of this stuff.
And I'm just trying to imagine. I guess you have
to break the whole thing down if you're going to
process those drugs, you know, as somebody who's going to distribute.
Speaker 4 (38:14):
But I want to say there was a subplot, and
I think it was maybe the movie Traffic, where there
was literally a thing formed out of cocaine and then
you see them using some kind of solvent literally dissolve
the entire thing down and then reprocess it and make
it into a paste and what have you dried it?
Speaker 3 (38:31):
And that's based in real world stuff. You can use
those solvents. I mean, like you set this up earlier,
you can clearly shape things, whether that be via cocaine,
like with cocaine as a medium, et cetera. And then
once you get it over the border then or wherever
the end destination is, then you can use totally legal
(38:52):
solvents to derive it into you care you want.
Speaker 2 (38:57):
I just like the idea of somebody with a tiny,
tiny little chiz and hammer like ding ding ding ding,
hammer away.
Speaker 3 (39:04):
That's gotta be a lot of MDMA though, right to
make the garden.
Speaker 2 (39:07):
No, yeah, four pounds of it. I don't know how
much that is? Two kilograms?
Speaker 3 (39:11):
Uh, I don't know what's the typical dose of MDMA.
Speaker 2 (39:15):
Whatever a bean is, that's all I know. So like
a pill.
Speaker 4 (39:18):
Yeah, there's the pills still, and you know, in the
nineties it was ecstasy and they were pressed into these
pills with like pokemon on them or like a Mitsubishi.
There are all kinds of different ones, Buddha double stack,
you know, ferraris or whatever the crap. But they were
cut with all kinds of crazy stuff. Today it seems
like the term is flipped more towards molly or or
you know, flip toward Yeah.
Speaker 3 (39:40):
Sure, I think it is.
Speaker 4 (39:42):
MALLI is meant to be a purer form of the
active ingredient from ecstasy, which is pure MDMA. But I
don't believe that it's still cut with something man like.
There's no way they're not. They're just putting that stuff
out completely unadulttery, and that's not how drug trade works.
Speaker 2 (39:58):
Well, this, this MDMA is cut with a side of magic,
because this gnome is truly magic and whimsy.
Speaker 3 (40:05):
Yes, I I like how the authorities describe them as
visibly startled.
Speaker 2 (40:10):
Yeah, yeah, is on his hands over Oh no, I
can cut me.
Speaker 3 (40:15):
I'm mad drugs. Do we know if there were any.
Speaker 2 (40:17):
Arrest I'm not sure. Probably I'm assuming, but I don't know.
Speaker 4 (40:23):
I know the circumstances in which it was discovered.
Speaker 2 (40:25):
Well, this guy's got to tell you. This BBC article
is pretty it's pretty short, it's not really robust. Let's
say it does mention that MDMA is illegal in the Netherlands,
as it is in many parts of the world. And oh,
as of twenty nineteen, according to the BBC, the Netherlands
(40:45):
is among one of the world's leading producers of MDMA.
Speaker 4 (40:49):
Well, the Netherlands is also, like, you know, the place
where marijuana has been legal for decades.
Speaker 3 (40:55):
They got big freeport vibes. It's the vestiges of their
maritime empire. I'm looking on a source called Mixed mag
which I'm not too familiar with, but apparently there.
Speaker 4 (41:08):
Is a techno website. Okay, it's an electronic.
Speaker 3 (41:11):
Music Oh yeah, well good, I trust them as legitimate
for this. They're saying at a four pound or for
the rest of the world, two kilogram statue of this
size is the equivalent of around eight thousand ecstasy pills.
So at the very least, this is a pretty significant investment, right, which.
Speaker 4 (41:26):
I would guess go for around twenty five bucks a
pop hill. Yeah, I think so wow.
Speaker 3 (41:32):
That brought my Larry David out. No way, pass us
dollars pass step down. What do you have for fifteen man?
Do you have any rhinos statues? We're talking full sized rhinos,
the good rhinos too. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (41:49):
It gets hot in those rhinos.
Speaker 5 (41:51):
Guys.
Speaker 2 (41:51):
We're moving on to the next update. This one comes
to us via the Guardian. We're just hanging out in
the UK right now. Jolly good guys. What's a franken chicken?
If you had to describe what a franken chicken is
or what you think a franken chicken is, it's that
chicken that is made of nothing but drumsticks. Oh interesting, Yeah, it's.
Speaker 3 (42:11):
A I believe the idea that that's the old like
back in the days of analog. That's the old food
conspiracy theory urban legend chickens that were just breasted legs
with no no heads. I believe they're I believe the
real version. There's sometimes called broiler chickens. They're the ones
that are huge victims of the livestock industry. Also, we
(42:34):
got a nice letter from Peta. Unrelatedly, yes, it was
very kind.
Speaker 6 (42:37):
Thank you.
Speaker 3 (42:38):
Wes uh and on the same page. But they're I
think they're very large eugenics practice. They're they're modified to
grow faster. Is that correct?
Speaker 2 (42:47):
Yes, The way I understand the franken chicken term is
just as you said, ben used to be one thing.
Now it is the real chickens that are grown and
mass so in tight little cages. But think way too
many chickens per cage and given all kinds of sometimes
hormones to grow them faster, often antibiotics. Because they're in
(43:10):
such close quarters, they get sick all the time.
Speaker 3 (43:12):
They can a lot of them can't walk, I believe.
Speaker 2 (43:14):
Oh yeah, not enough area to move around often, not
enough natural light to even have a semblance of existence
and understanding of where they are in space and time.
Speaker 3 (43:24):
I mean like with body mass, though I think several
like it's not infrequent for them to physically be incapable
of walking even with the space.
Speaker 4 (43:32):
Chick exactly at their best are pretty big boys up
top with little tiny legs. These would probably just atrophy
to the point of being, you know, completely useless.
Speaker 2 (43:42):
It is a pretty disgusting thing, but it is an
evolution based on a necessity for the amount of chicken
that is sold to every thing of every grocery store,
every place that sells chicken, and the fast food joined
every other place that sells chicken, and so each one
of these individual restaurants and chains has to source their
(44:04):
chicken from somewhere. This story is about sourcing of chickens.
Back in twenty nineteen, KFC Kentucky Fried Chicken or just
KFC specifically in the United Kingdom made a pledge, Hey,
by twenty twenty six, we are going to stop using
these types of chickens. We are going to source our
(44:24):
chickens from places that have enough space to move around,
that have natural light, that have all of these things
basically the way you would want a chicken to live.
Even if that chicken from the moment of birth is
going to be killed and eaten, that chicken is going
to have a better life right now. That doesn't mean
it's a good thing for that chicken necessarily, right, But
(44:46):
it does mean if human beings are going to be
eating chicken, at least the people who make those chickens
into food can treat them well.
Speaker 3 (44:55):
Right.
Speaker 2 (44:56):
Kind of an awesome move. KFC got a lot of accolades,
or at least a lot of tips of the hat like, hey,
good on you for at least treating the chickens while
or pledging to do it. But they just came out
and said, hey, everybody, there is just no way that
we can meet this stuff. Because of the demand for
chicken and the amount of chicken that's being produced and
(45:17):
the type of producers that are out there, we cannot
source enough chicken.
Speaker 3 (45:21):
Like even if we raised the prices right the people
the past, what people are willing to pay, even if
we satisfied every other variable and obstacle, the supply chain
itself is already so dependent upon this pattern that there's
no way to alter it. You'd have to kind of
build out a new chain of chicken chain.
Speaker 4 (45:40):
Yep.
Speaker 2 (45:41):
They they were gonna get slower growing breaths. They were gonna,
you know, have chickens that lived in light where they
can move around. And they just said, no, we can't
do We have to buy We have to buy chicken.
So sorry, it's just kind of awful.
Speaker 4 (45:54):
And then that foresee these potential roadblocks, like people want chicken.
People aren't gonna stop wanting chicken. You made a pledge,
but that's why.
Speaker 2 (46:01):
In twenty nineteen. It was a pledge rather than a
here is what we're doing next year or something like that. Right,
hopefully the stars will align or you know, the circumstances
will change such that we can meet these goals. It
just looks like they didn't.
Speaker 4 (46:18):
It's declaration of intent, like a rose colored glasses pr
move more than anything.
Speaker 3 (46:24):
I mean, did they did? When did they know the facts?
The sad reality is they see it right about the
economics of scale and the chickens. Versus to your question, no,
when did they decide, oh, we'll hold off a second
and just let this good pr wash over us.
Speaker 5 (46:42):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (46:43):
Well, here's a quote from Ruth Edge e Edge. She
is the head of sustainability at KFC UK and Ireland.
She was talking to the Egg and Poultry Industry Conference,
or at the Egg and Poultry Industry Conference in Wales
and this is actually as of last well maybe a
(47:03):
week and a half ago as we're recording this. She said, quote,
we're not saying we're never going to but we're saying
for twenty twenty six and the way the market has
developed or lack of, we're not going to be able
to do it.
Speaker 4 (47:18):
I guess I just don't fully understand what these unforeseen
market forces were. It just seems like it's business as usual,
Like what is the big surprise.
Speaker 2 (47:29):
I'll give you just more from this VBC article we
mentioned at the top. KFC says there's an inadequate supply
to meet the commitment because farmers are not switching in
big enough numbers to slower growing.
Speaker 3 (47:39):
Breeds, probably because they can't afford to.
Speaker 2 (47:42):
To be honest, yes, yes, according to KFC, they're working
to source chickens from farms with quote lower stocking densities,
but they're just having issues. They're not finding enough basically
chicken growers, which is kind of a weird thing to
think about, who are switching to the practices that they
want to switch to because there's just literally not enough chicken.
Speaker 4 (48:02):
Okay, well, I get it. I guess that makes sense.
I just don't know how they thought that things were
going to be so much different.
Speaker 3 (48:10):
It's a weird one because it's again it's economy of scale.
And it's also interesting that this is a UK specific
situation right now for them, because I wonder, you know,
and this is very tangentially related, but I wonder if
the scope of this has anything to do with the
EU Brexit situation, if there are maybe laws in the
(48:33):
EU that are different or more amenable to this kind
of pledge or appearance of a pledge, or.
Speaker 4 (48:42):
If economic hardships brought on by Brexit led to a
slow down, and what maybe was seeming to be.
Speaker 3 (48:50):
In the in the car it chicken industry is so
crazy too, Like there's this whole middle passage for chickens
grown in the US getting taken over to China for
processing sent back to the US, that some parts of
that chicken are also re sold over the Pacific.
Speaker 4 (49:04):
Where the laws allow right where Like, yeah.
Speaker 3 (49:08):
It's bigger than the I know the British hate to
hear it, but it's bigger than England.
Speaker 2 (49:12):
Let's do a big chicken episode. I think, have we
not know we've had a livestock, livestock, but let's do
like just chicken.
Speaker 3 (49:21):
Sure, so yeah, big chickens.
Speaker 2 (49:24):
And I got one last thing, well, two last things
to mention that we're not going to actually cover today.
The first one is a missing person's case. Hannah Kobayashi.
This is somebody that again I think we need a
full episode on. This is somebody who went missing on well,
she didn't go missing on November eighth, but it's the
story of her going missing when she flew from Hawaii
(49:47):
to Los Angeles began on November eighth of this year.
And there's a bunch of twists and turns that are
happening right now, specifically stuff that happened with her father
pretty recently. It's very strange and I think it's worth
our time. We just we won't have enough time to
cover in one of these episodes. But yeah, definitely look
up Hannah Kobyashi if you have time, and you can
(50:07):
also look up Ryan Kobyashi, who is Hannah's father who
recently passed away as well. So missing person and then
father missing person who was looking for her passed away.
Very sad messed up, but it seems like a human
trafficking situation, so something at least to keep her eye on.
Last thing to mention is the DEA has decided to
(50:28):
stop doing that whole civil asset forfeiture thing at airports
where they quote randomly search people.
Speaker 3 (50:35):
And shack your stuff check out in English exactly. And
a big part of that, by the way, is all
the all the successful legal proceedings, yes that have taken place,
but civil asset forfeiture still applies to other agencies and
other situations. Folks, be careful.
Speaker 4 (50:51):
Can I just say I've been really enjoying this TV
series on Peacock called Lions that is about a CIA
program of betting women in with like basically the close
relatives or girlfriends or wives of terrorists targets. But one
thing that I thought was really interesting in an episode,
there's a part where they have a joint operation with
the DEA, and it feels like it's a show that
(51:14):
has a lot of research behind it, but it really
shows how certain agencies are not created equal in terms
of the resources they get, and the DEA does not
have the level of resources as say.
Speaker 3 (51:26):
The CIA or even the FBI. Wow.
Speaker 4 (51:29):
Yeah, And the way they show it in the episode
that I'm talking about is really stark and fascinating.
Speaker 3 (51:34):
Atf is in a similar situation to what you're describing. Also,
I would say, in addition to unequal resources, some have
more flexibility in their rules than others, or at least
have historically.
Speaker 4 (51:47):
Wasn't it some agency couldn't recently like justify where a
gazillion dollars went, and they.
Speaker 3 (51:53):
Are like a Pentagon every year.
Speaker 4 (51:54):
Yeah, but there was a specific story happen. I wish
I had better memory of which agency this was, but
it was a big headline of a certain amount of
money and discretionary funds, which basically is up to supervisors
to determine where it goes. That they couldn't justify or
couldn't exactly say where it went. And that's not that
big a deal in some situations.
Speaker 3 (52:12):
Oh gosh, looks like the Pentagon is set to again
fail its annual audit.
Speaker 4 (52:17):
That's what it was, Thank you, Ben, That's what it was. Yep,
as simple as that. But again, not big news in general.
No one's gonna get in trouble exactly. It's just a
pass the buck kind of situation. And these discretionary budgets
are a very real thing.
Speaker 3 (52:30):
Well, I gotta say again, attempting to keep things positive,
the Pentagon is setting a track record for the largest
entity of its type to repeatedly fail its annual audit.
Oh shit, they've got their numbers up there.
Speaker 2 (52:47):
Yes, and I found a story from a month ago. Guys.
This is from New York Posts, So okay, whatever, but
here's the title, World Bank Bureaucrats lost track of at
least twenty four billion dollars in funds fighting climate change.
And here's a quote from one of the officials. It
could be twice or ten times more.
Speaker 4 (53:09):
When you say fighting climate change, do you mean fighting
the concept of climate change?
Speaker 5 (53:15):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (53:15):
Yeah, yeah, Okay, they were just bought. They put on
like gloves and they were just fighting the concept.
Speaker 3 (53:20):
No, no, no, no no no.
Speaker 4 (53:21):
Truly though, is this like anti climate change propaganda or
are they literally attempting to combat the effects of climate change?
And just that that headline is vague.
Speaker 3 (53:31):
It lends to check out our episode on greenwashing. It
lends to that idea with somebody laundry money. Were they
funding initiatives or inngos? Look, it's hard to it's hard
to rock with most individuals because most individuals technically are
not billionaires, but a lot of money goes through the
(53:51):
cracks every year. If you go to American Military News
for a comp here, you can see that just a
few days ago the Pentagon failed its seventh in a
row and they cannot account for eight hundred and twenty
four billion dollars.
Speaker 4 (54:04):
Bro you mentioned refly the Macy's thing. Some employee, an
individual managed to conceal one hundred and fifteen roughly million dollars,
and it didn't affect them paying any of their suppliers,
because you know, that was just a drop in the
bucket of their billions of dollars and it's just it
just disappeared.
Speaker 3 (54:23):
One hundred and fifty four million dollars.
Speaker 4 (54:25):
Geez.
Speaker 3 (54:26):
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