May 22, 2019 • 67 mins
When Princess Diana died as a result of a horrendous car crash in Paris, the United Kingdom was shaken to the core. As more details emerged, some people became convinced that Diana's death was not an accident. Why?
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is
riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or
learn the stuff they don't want you to know. A
production of I Heart Radios How Stuff Works. Hello, welcome
(00:25):
back to the show. My name is Matt, my name
is Noel. They called me Ben when you're joined as
always with our super producer Paul, mission controlled dec and
most importantly, you are you. You are here so cheerio
that makes this stuff they don't want you to know
a bit of a British episode for us today, we're
going across the pond Pip as they called it in
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the Transatlantic Times, that many people say over the pond
ties days, halle hoo. Sure, Yeah, I love Pip Pip.
People need to bring that back. I've I've I've been
tremendously instrumental in bringing back touch tut, such that some
of my friends banned me from it for a few months. Yeah,
there are times when, in a serious, somber moment in
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someone's life, Matt, they don't need to hear the phrase
tut tut. It's as unhelpful as saying I told you so,
or that reminds me of a thing that happened to me,
you know what I mean. It's just a verbal stand
in for a finger wag, isn't it. It's a bit Yeah,
I feel maybe a little aw SHUXI too, you know,
like if if if a kid is scared of a
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thunderstorm or something, it's like tut tut. I don't know.
I've definitely experienced a few. It's not erroneous tut tuts,
but just tut tuts that appear out of nowhere and
when I'm not expecting them. Really, like in the wild,
in the field, in the wait, doesn't Pooh Bear say
tut tut? It looks like rain Oh, I don't know
it is, Yeah, he does. Tut tut is a small
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admonishment or disappointment. That's That's exactly where I've been hearing it.
I've got a giant book of Winning the Pooh stuff.
I'm reading my son and he totally says, tut tut. Uh, dude,
your kids so cool. You're so cool for bringing the
Pooh Man, bringing the poo, ty to bring the poo Dude.
None of my heroes wear pants, It's true. Uh, why
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are we talking about British nomenclature and terminology. It's a
great question. We can answer it now. It's a little
bit of a downer answer. It turns out that on
August thirty one, Diana, known as the Princess of Wales,
died in a Parisian hospital as the result of injuries
from a car crash. This is something that our fellow
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listeners have been asking us about for but I mean
since we started the show. It's one of the first
suggestions we got, and we just never did it because
again we were originally video only. Yes, and our video
did cover some of the main things we will be
discussing today, but we in this format get to dig deep. Yeah,
it's gonna get weird. Her driver was a guy named
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Henri Paul, her boyfriend was a guy named Dody Fayette,
and her boyfriend's security guard when Trevor Rees Jones were
all in the car when the accident occurred, and we
were not to not to date the three of us
too hard, but we were all alive at this time. UM,
for those of us who were residents of this part
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of the world, that's right after the Olympics, like a
year after the Summer Olympics. UM and maybe we're too
young to remember where we were when we heard about this,
but a lot of people around the planet know exactly
where they were when the news broke. Do you guys remember,
do you have any memories of this? I was fourteen
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at my parents house. I know that for sure. Oh,
you're just doing the math. There were just yeah, we're
we're roughly the same age, I believe, man, I guess so.
I think so. We've never really compared, but it feels
like we are. So. I was probably in the neighborhood
of fourteen. I remember probably being at my neighbor's house.
That's what I'm going to say. I was at my
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neighbor's house heard. Yeah, it's strange. It's for a lot
of people in in the UK or in the Commonwealth,
the impact of the tragedy was similar to that of
nine eleven or Pearl Harbor. They remember exact moment that
they heard this news. And it's strange because the two
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tragedies I just mentioned involved thousands of people and this
involves three deaths and really just one that the public
appeared to care about. But Diana was like a symbol, right,
I mean, she was seen as this she was this
beloved princess. She was seen as the epitome of goodness
and lights, you know, in their country. And then the
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death in and of itself, of course was tragic, but
it also uncovered a bit of scandal that maybe tempered
some of those feelings of affection and admiration for this person.
And both of these instances have another thing in common,
where there are a tremendous number of people who believe
that there is something fishy about them, that perhaps there
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was some kind of inside job at play. Absolutely good
point and well said. So here are the facts. She's
not born the Princess of Wales. Diana is born Diana
Francis Spencer on July one, six one. She's already part
of them, the long running one percent of the UK,
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the aristocracy, the people who own most of the land
and have for hundreds and hundreds of years, which apparently
you're not supposed to talk about there, But that's the
that's one of the huge problems of the country. Everything's fine,
keep going right, right right, don't ask questions. So Diana
was a child of Viscount and Viscountess all Fort in
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February of nineteen eighty one. She becomes engaged to Prince Charles.
He's the oldest son of the British Queen Elizabeth the Second.
In a very Hamilton esque move, Charles had previously been
engaged to Diana's older sister, one Lady Sarah Miccodell, and
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Diana and Charles went on about twelve dates before they
announced their engagement, So it's it's like Vegas style in
terms of the speed of their relationship. And they had
met previously before when she was sixteen and he was
twenty nine. Uh. They were wed five months after announcing
their engagement at St. Paul's Cathedral on July twenty. People
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loved it. People all about the aristocracy and um, the
entire you know, the theater of that system. And so
you can't just say, at the risk of being agists
that that a difference of sixteen is in my mind
personally a little bothersome. But you know, who cares whatever.
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Just for the record, anybody wants to know the code
or the formula, it's half your age plus seven. That's
the official okay to date. I feel that people, and
this is not a deing on you, man, but I
feel I've heard that before and often when I've heard
it recite it that way. It's it's from um, like
we're friends, but it's from someone that I don't trust,
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because my immediate question, especially I don't know them well,
is how many times did you run this formula? How
many are you one of those guys? Well, then, first
of all, I'm being tongue in cheek when I say
that there's a magic formula that tells you who you
are and are not allowed to date. But I agree
with you, Ben. When someone really says that with a
straight face, then yeah, It's like when someone knows the
intricacies of a weird series of laws, like they're they're like, look,
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you know, I mean quayludes and intend to for an
intend to distribute. It's really a lot of people think
it's based just on the weight, but it's also based
on how it's packaged, you know, like cool man, I
just wanted to sprite you didn't want? No? No, shout
out to Church's chicken and shout out to something else
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is completely irrelevant. I know we're gonna gonna get back
on the topic soon, but did you know that seven
up used to have lithium in it? And this up?
It was like represented like an up in your mood.
I did not know that. I knew about cocaine and cocacola,
but I did not know about lithium and seven up
opium as well. It was quite common in a lot
of those curative drinks. We could go ahead and that's
a good episode of Saber. Doesn't beat us to it.
(08:27):
Let's just switch gears, guys, let's talk about just show it.
We'll just go for the rest of the episode and
pretend that it was about that, but not sprite. It
was seven up so uh so, speaking of fantastic segues. Uh,
the Diana and Charles marriage produces two sons, or they
call them having issue. When you're when you're when you're
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you know, you win the genetic lottery and your nobility
and uh these would go on to be the tremendously
popular Princes William and Harry. The mayor Ridge was the
subject of tons of rumor mongering and muck raking in
the local tabloids, which makes sense. What was it was
in the old eleanor Roosevelt quote? Uh that said, small
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minds talk about people, middling minds talk about events, and
great minds talk about ideas. There's always gonna be money
in celebrity reporting. It's the banana stand of journalism. You know,
there's money in it. There's money, and it always so.
Despite the fact that this marriage was seen as this
continual source of like Kardashian level, reality TV showed vicarious
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train wreck scandals, Diana herself was just as you said,
nol seen as a symbol, a cultural icon. Despite um,
despite the reality of who she was in society and
where she came from. She was respected for her charity work,
which was serious, including using the access to tremendous wealth
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and influence she had to support hospitals to advocate for
the eradication of land minds and to raise awareness of
HIV AIDS, mental illness and cancer. So people people felt,
you know, um, that they identified with her mission. You know,
more than a more than a few folks would hear
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about this work and say, that's what I would do,
you know what I mean, Like, if I had that power,
that's what I would do. And then add the human
element of being stuck in a bad relationship, and now
how could you not care about this stranger a little bit? Oh? Absolutely,
I mean to have royalty care at all you know,
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within the ivory towers of royalty, that that people are
suffering from something, whether it is from from cancer or
family members and friends being under threat of land minds everywhere.
That's one of those those subjects that doesn't, at least nowadays,
get much attention at all. But that's still a thing
across the world, the danger of landlines. And this was
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literally the princess who gave a crap right right, and
so people in general felt felt a little convicted. People
were very uh. You hear this a lot in fiction nowadays,
when we're when we're living through the stories of people
on screen or on a page, you hear someone say,
I'm team whatever, I'm team blah blah blah. There were
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people who were team uh the establishment, you know, Buckingham,
Team Buckingham, let's call it that. And then team Diana.
But everybody pretty much knew all was not well over
and Chuck and Diana's crib. The media was able to
confirm extra marital affairs on both sides of the bed,
and eventually even charles parents got involved. Let's try to
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talk these kids off a ledge. So Charles's parents, Queen
Elizabeth the second, you know, Queen Elizabeth is still kicking around, uh,
and Prince Philip met with the couple for kind of
like a impromptu marriage counseling session and intervention of sorts. Uh.
Philip and Diana exchanged letters, very personal letters um that summer,
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and in which she expressed her disappointment at both her
and Charles's extramarial affairs and asked her to see both
of their slip ups from the other person's point of view.
Interesting and very seemingly progressive for what you would think
would be a very rigid, high society kind of situation,
especially since Prince Philip is a record calling people things
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like spear chuckers. Oh that's right, Philip, isn't he the
one who has a cargo cult? Yeah? But like I
think they recently took away his license to drive because
he was crashing into stuff because he's like or something. Now, Yeah,
he's quite he's quite elderly. He is not he is
not a perfect person, yeah, exactly. At one point Philip
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seemed completely just overwhelmed, ready to give up, and he wrote,
I will always do my utmost to help you and
Charles to the best of my ability, but I am
quite ready to concede that I have no talent as
a marriage counselor um I can I can only imagine, Yeah,
someone who has lived the life of Prince Philip, like
trying to get into those the deep interpersonal relationships in
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that way when you're when the life that you live
is so guarded from other people just by its nature.
That's very empathetic of you, you know what I mean.
I think that's really I think it's really generous of you. Okay, No,
it's true, Matt, because it is hard to even understand
how someone with this much privilege, raised with as much privilege,
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could even wrap their heads around or even attempt to
exercise this kind of understanding, you know what I mean. Yeah,
well that's without me knowing what it what it really is.
But my my, my understanding of just the the schedule
that you must keep, the the rigorous relationships of convenience,
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and uh, just all the things you have to do
to uphold your image, right, you know what I mean. Like,
it doesn't lead to a lot of heartfelt talks. In
my opinion, he does sound like a like a genuinely
concerned kind of parent, you know what I mean. Give
you've ever been on the ounce with a significant other.
I'm sure many of us listening to have been in
that situation where you're like, wow, it's not working out
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with the person and dating, but her or his parents
are amazing, you know what I mean. And then they
like give you advice. You know, it's it's my kid.
Why can I say? They're kind of like that sometimes.
But you'll work it out, you'll work it out, you're young. Yeah,
But in this case they didn't work it out. No,
they did not. Their attempts at reconciliation on all sides
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were unsuccessful. In December, things start to hit the fan.
Prime Minister John Major publicly announces the pairs amicable separation,
reading a statement from the royal family. UH December twenty,
Buckingham Palace announces the Queen has written separate let The
British Queen Elizabeth has written separate letters to the couple
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ordering them to file for divorce as soon as possible.
This was a huge scandal at the time, people were
getting their popcorn in bulk. After considering the present situation,
the Queen wrote to both the Prince and the Princess
earlier this week and gave them her view supported by
the Duke of Edinburgh. That's uh, Philip that an early
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divorce is desirable, and boom boom boom, snap crackle pop.
By August the divorce was official. Isn't that interesting? The
divorce is desirable. Y'all are making us look bad. They
called it an early divorce. I don't drag this out,
just just get it over with. Let's move on. Just
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your your relationship is old, yeller. Where at the end
of the story, just take it out back. Well, you
have to imagine too that I believe it was Charles
that first was discovered to have been cheating on Diana's
correct with Camilla ker Bulls, who he is now married
to um which maybe led Diana to seek her own
extra marital affair. And then maybe at that point it
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kind of becoming under became an understanding between the two
because they were certainly was They were not in it
to win it. They were going to maybe keep it
up for the for the public image of it all.
But even that I think became untenable because you see
pictures of them during these periods and they're sitting at
different tables with their backs to each other. It's a
very cold war unfriendly kind of situation, not any fun
to be in and try to keep up appearances. I'm
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sure there's a sad moment in an interview where they're
talking about their engagement early on and some some reporter,
I don't know if they were in the inner circle, um,
but some reporters says, oh, so you're in love blah
blah blah, and then the Diana characters says, oh, yes,
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we're in love, and then the the Chuck says whatever
that means he dies or something like that, and it's
just it's not a good look. It's a cringe. But yeah, yeah,
you're right there. It's a political alliance as much as
a relationship. The idea of the idea of marrying and
being in a relationship at all for the purposes of
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romance is relatively recent in our history, or it's rather
it's relatively recent for it to be a commonplace thing,
and so the old laws or the old Morey's probably
still hold in a lot of royal families, you know,
and it gets nasty. The public is loving this. Princess
Diana has a tell all interview with the BBC, which
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is very rare for the royal family. At all, because,
as you said, Matt, they function under many constrictions or
I don't know, traditions about how they're supposed to be
regarded or speak to anyone who was again outside of
their inner circle. Yeah. Absolutely. And then that interview was
with Martin Basher, and that's a very memorable interview if
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you were alive then, um, because in it she talks
about all kinds of details. She again she talks about
how she was unfaithful, She talks about Charles affair, and
she has a very famous quote that she gave while
in that interview and she said, there were three of
us in this marriage, so it was a bit crowded.
And to that end, she's talking about Camilla Parker Bulls. Um,
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it's it's pretty tough. Yeah. And again the to Ben's
point about how marriage for love wasn't a thing, I mean,
these two were completely paired up for political reasons between
these families, and Charles and Camilla Parker Bulls had dated
like in the seventies, like they already had a relationship,
and then when he got paired off with Diana, she
ended up marrying her, you know, a former boyfriend of
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hers and then they kind of reconnected. So it's sort
of like it was set up to fail. Yeah, but
Chuck did she was Diana over her sister, right, I
mean that's one of the first things we set up.
I guess I'm just saying here, I'm just saying the
whole system of arranged marriages is a little bit hanky.
There are people would argue that the whole system of
marriage in general is has problems here here Yeah, hey,
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I said there were people who would. It was very
respectful and diplomatic. But yet you're, um, these are these
are great points still despite um, whatever weird traditions or
cultural brainwashing maybe in place in these sorts of systems,
you can't change the fact that people are people, and
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these people are parents. Right, So they have they have
their divorce, but that doesn't mean that just because they're
not spouses doesn't mean they can't be good parents. So
after the divorce, despite all the you know, bad blood,
it's water under the bridge. Charles and Diana work together
to be decent parents to their kids after the divorce,
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and continue to do so up until Diana's death in
August eighteen nine seven. I didn't know how old she
was at the time she was thirty six. Yeah, I
just I guess I thought she was older, because you know,
she was she had done so much with her life,
because you know, she didn't have to have a job,
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or or a mortgage or student loans to loans, or
pay for insurance or um. I didn't have to do anything. No, really,
it's so funny to me too. I think it's your
point as well, Ben, that she's lifted up as being
this model person. But you have to keep in mind
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that she was a model aristocrat who had unlimited resources.
So all it took was a little bit of a
streak of kindness that any people in her position could
have done, but the fact is most of them just don't.
So she was kind of like the exception to the
rule because she was an incredibly wealthy person who very
openly was kind to poor people as opposed to it
not seeming like just like a tax write off. She
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was very much in the field and visiting hospitals and
all of this stuff. So I'm just saying I'm not
I'm not diminishing. I don't think you are either been
at all any of the good works that she did.
But it's certainly easier to hold her up as a
shining example of someone of that station, because a lot
of them aren't, you know, pretty self serving and awful
no matter what. She existed in that framework and she was.
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Oh and some of the most influential work she did
was making the Royal family look good for the people
who support their existence. There you go. So it was.
It was as in the people of the United Kingdom
right right, right, right right, and yeah, and all of
the the other territories who also must know at least
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tip their hat. Can you imagine growing up in a
council estate and walking by Buckingham Palace. It takes some
some real uh, some some real well thought out rhetoric
to make that feel like a good idea right for society.
But that's you know what, that's my opinion. I don't
mean to dump on people's choice of tradition. We will
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return after the break because we have gotten to the
pivotal night, the last night that Diana, Princess of Wales
spent on Earth. Travel back with us, folks. It's August
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of Diana's thirty six. She's dating a forty one year
old man named Dodi Fayed. He is the son of
a man named Mohammed Alpha Ed, a billionaire, the former
owner of Herod's department store. As a matter of fact,
he owns a lot of stuff. He owns a yacht
that Doughty and Diana are hanging out on, uh and
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they leave the kind of a vacation excursion thing and
they arrive in Paris and they're hanging out in Sardinia
and they they decided to take off, So Diana leaves
in a private jet earlier on that same day and
she arrives in Paris with Doughty and they're just planning
to stop over briefly on their way to London. In Paris,
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and you know, they spent nine days together on that
yacht and they were hanging out in the French and
Italian riviera, just having a really good time together, spending
some time. And you can see lots of photos surrounding
this time of them from paparazzi and the like, because
you know, whenever, even though she was outside of the royalty,
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she was still one of the most photographed humans on
the planet. Now, their plan was to stay at the
Ritz Parish and this is another property like all the
Herods that Doughty's father owned, and they dined at a
place called ritz El Espardon. I don't know how to
say that correctly. Espaldon and Diana. We know this unfortunately
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because of autopsy and because of you know, just records.
But Diana had dover soul g wald tempora and an
asparagus omelet, and that ladies and gentlemen would prove to
be her final meal. They were continually hunted by the press.
If you've ever read Watership Down, there's a fantastic um
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mythology that the rabbits in that story have about being
the prince with a thousand denemies, you know, and they
were in a kind of Watership Down situation. They were
always being pursued by serious journalists, by tabloid journalists, by
freelance photographers and so on. Terrifying. That's a terrifying thing. Yeah,
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I mean, I can't say that I know what that's like,
but I can imagine because you you're using the word hunted,
and I would agree that that's exactly what it is.
Sometimes they'll say hounded, but it's a synonym at that point. Right.
So now we returned to a man named Enri Paul,
an employee of Alpha Ed's Paris Rits. He is the
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deputy head of purity at the hotel and he has
been entrusted with the task of driving a rented black
Mercedes Bins S two eighty to elude the press. The
idea is this, that they're going to send a decoy
car out first, and that the photographers and the press
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gang will follow that car, and then the chauffeur Paul
will take Doughty and Diana to an apartment owned by
Dowdy's father nearby and they will spend the night in
that apartment, not in the Ritz, before they continue on
to London. So this car, the car they're actually and
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has four passengers, the driver, Dodi and Diana in the
back and the guy Trevor Rhys Jones, a member of
the Fied Family security team ride and shotgun. It's late,
it's around twelve. It's after twelve twelve three or so.
Uh they're they're driving and it turns out the decoy
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did not work as well as they want. The press
is onto them. Picture people in motorcycles like hauling their
keysters off and swerve in Tokyo drift style while there's
another person on the back of the motorcycle leaning out
at weird right angles, try to catch the catch the
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Mercedes in action, hoping against hope that one of the
tented windows is for some reason rolled down, because if
you can get these people's faces in a photograph, you
have you know, you have paid your rent for a
month or so, you know what I mean, Because unlike
the people in the Mercedes, they had jobs and mortgages
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and stuff like that. Do you guys remember the Paparazzi
mission and that Grand Theft auto game. I think it
was the one in Los Antos, the most recent one. Yeah,
you had to ride, you had to do some very
similar stuff. It was like all about you know, literally
stalking people on you know, tailing them in cars, running
alongside with motorcycles that you do in a game like that.
But yeah, I mean it's really really nasty stuff, right,
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like more than just invasion of privacy, literally putting people
at risk absolutely, which comes into play later because the
driver loses control and Repaul loses control of the Mercedes
at the entrance to the Pont de l Alma tunnel.
The car strikes the right hand wall of the tunnel.
It swerves to the left of the two lane road
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before it collides head on with one of the pillars
I think the thirteen pillars supporting the roof of the tunnel.
At this time, it's traveling about a hundred and five
kilometers per hour sixty five miles an hour. The reports
will say between sixty and seventy. The initial reports said
one hundred and five miles per hour. But surprise, surprise,
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somebody was lying to sell more papers and in closed space,
no less that kind of speed, that bad news. You
can see photographs of the Mercedes and it looks ugly.
You would think that everyone in there died instantly, especially
people in the front. Witnesses reported seeing smoke, and there
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were a ton of witnesses. They also reported that the
area was swarming with photographers and they were all over
the car in motorcycles and other other automobiles before the
Mercedes enters the tunnel. This meant that as the victims
lay in the vehicle, the press actually arrives before any
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emergency services. And this is where this is where we
can look at the media in a in an antagonistic way,
because a lot of these folks, a lot of these
photographers panicked. They ran to the crash, you know, dropped
their motorcycles, run out of their cars, and they start
tugging on the doors, trying to save the lives of
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these again human people who have just been in a
terrible car accident. But an other photographers stand back waiting,
hoping against hope that someone pulls open that door of
that Mercedes, because sure, you can pay rent for a
month or two if you get if you get someone's
face in a photo, but if you get the face
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of a dying princess, you might be set. I mean,
that might be a book deal for you. Yeah, which
is horrific. Yeah, that's grim all around, because there's gonna
be I hope, you hope that there's a certain amount
of guilt on anyone who was pursuing that vehicle once
once it crashes, and the feeling of oh, no, I
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need to help, what have I done? Kind of thing.
But you're right. The self preservation in this self, the
desire to, like you said, pay a mortgage something we
hit on early on in this it's such a strong desire,
strong need to you know, pay for rent, pay for whatever,
to survive, that it overtakes and that's what happens, or
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maybe they were just uh, they were just competitive, you know,
there was a cutthroat industry. They didn't want other people
to get the shot that too. Either way. Police later
go on to seize film from seven different photographers on
this scene. Six of them are French, one of them's
from Macedonia. The cops ultimately take twenty rolls of film,
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which have not been seen as morbid. As it may sound,
kind of a good thing to have so many photographs
snapped of a scene as it happened, as it took
place in terms of solving the kind of out that
it was any mystery as to what happened, but in
terms of like evidence that could be entered into the
you know, that's a good that's a very good point.
You know, Uh, we don't know how much of it
was kept from the public. We just have in this
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case of the confiscated stills, we just have the statements
of the people who said their stuff was stolen. But
there are a few images that you can find, Yes,
there are there are You can see the car when
it's on the back of a tow truck. Well, and
there are a couple shots. This is the one. Well,
I'm just gonna show it. Oh, there's there are a
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couple of shots in particular that look to be from
the car that is in front of their vehicle that's
shooting in and you can see the driver and Trevor
Rees Jones, um, and you can kind of see Princess
Diana's the back of her head. Um. But you can
see just from there that there's flash photography happening in
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the vehicle in front of them. Yeah. Yeah, flash photography.
That's gonna be that's gonna be a huge Part two,
because we have to remember this took place in the
late nineties. So so what happens. We've got the scene
of this car accident swarming with photographers, some helping, some not,
and where the police. So it takes the police ten
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minutes to arrive, and then the ambulance five minutes after that,
So fifteen minutes, uh, and Henry Paul and Dodi Faytte
were both dead or dying. They died at the scene. Um.
Princess Diana was conscious and she was in shock. She
was removed from the car at one am, and when
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she was moved, she went into cardiac arrest, but was
successfully resuscitated there on the scene. She was in the
ambulance by one eighteen and left the scene around and
then finally she made it to the hospital and around
two oh six am. Fatte and Paul were both declared
dead at the scene of the accident. Their bodies were
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not taken to a hospital. They were taken to a
mortuary in Paris, the Institute Medico Legal Diana's internal injuries.
Although she looked relatively okay on the exterior, her internal
injuries were extensive. Her heart had been physically displaced to
the right side of the chest just from impact and
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this were the pulmonary vein and the para cardium. UH.
This means that despite lengthy resuscitation attempts, including internal cardiac
massage and emergency room work UH, the Princess of Wales
passed away at four am on August thirty one, and
an enthusiologist named Bruno Rio announced her death at six
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am at a news conference held at the hospital. And
thus it came to pass that by dawn, bodyguard Trevor
Rhys Jones was the only survivor of the accident, and
as you couldn't imagine, an investigation ensued, a large investigation
and one person who will become One of the primary
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um I guess sources of information and speculation after this
is Mohammad al Fayette, Dody's father. He he came forth,
he game out publicly and stated that his son, Dodi
and Diana were both murdered by the British royal family,
and he started using all of his influence to try
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and find whatever evidence he could find that this was
the case. A billionaire is now facing the royal family,
which is honestly going to be one of the few
forces that would be effective in presenting counter argument. Yeah,
you know what I mean. Absolutely, and eventually alphae Had
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totals up around a hundred and seventy five very specific
claims that support his belief that it was indeed an
inside job by the royal family. The French government follows
up on each of Fayad's claims alphay Had's claims to
the best of their ability. This quickly becomes the most
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expensive road accident investigation in all of French history, counting
the time before the invention of the automobile. Autopsy reports
from the mortuary mentioned earlier found that the driver on
Repall had been impaired while operating the vehicle at point
one seven five grams of alcohol per milli leader of blood.
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He was around three point five times over the legal
limit for driving in France. Additionally, there were antidepressants in
his system if you believe that autopsy. There was also
paint on the car which showed that the Mercedes had
made grazing impact with a white vehicle later identified partially
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due to the chemical composition of the paint as a
Fiat Uno. This French judicial investigation last eighteen months, it concludes,
and it says, here's what happened. We looked over what
you're claiming Mr Alpha had. The crash was caused by
the chauffeur on repall. He lost control of the vehicle
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at high speed because he was intoxicated. We have made
a six thousand page report on this and someone's like,
oh cool, publish it and they're like, non, yeah, they
never did. But British law has to be involved too.
This is a former um member of the government really,
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So the way British law works is it requires an
inquest to be held whenever there's a sudden or unexplained death,
and this leads us to something called Operation Paget or
Operation Paget, depending on how anyone to go with it.
The Metropolitan Police prepared reportty two pages long. This one
is published, it's made available to the public. You can
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read it now. It has sixteen chapters. It goes into
what they see as the sixteen broad categories that Alphaetta
is raising when he says there's something wrong. They were
essentially looking at the stuff that Alpha had said would
be inconsistent with an accident a pure chaotic um interaction
of chance and tragedy were consistent with m I six
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having ordered the assassination, and after this operation concluded, they
handed it over to a British inquest and six years
after demise, Michael Burgess, who was then the coroner for
the Queen's Household. The British Queen's Household held the inquest
two thousand eight inquests wraps up A United Kingdom jury
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with eleven members finds that On Repaul, the driver of
the Mercedes at the time of the crash, was culpable
due to his gross negligence, and that yes, his blood
alcohol level was cartoonishly high, three times higher than a
reasonable driver should have. Yeah, and they also found that paparazzi,
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specifically photographers, were partially responsible for the fatal car accident
by driving dangerously, driving recklessly, by um possibly distracting and
already inebriated driver with flash photography, which goes on to
be incredibly important. The corner for this was a guy
named Lord Justice Scott Baker, and he described these verdicts
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as the equivalent of manslaughter in a criminal court, which
is important. That means someone dies due to maybe negligence,
maybe you don't have the best attentions for them, but
you're not trying to kill them at least did yes,
And in this case it is the driver who wasn't
trying to kill them, as well as the paparazzi, So
no one was was like fully attempting to murder anyone, right,
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that's what That's what he's saying. Yeah, And the French
police cleared photographers are being directly linked to it. But
again the Royal Court of Justice in London heard multiple
eye witnesses talk about blocking cars that were allegedly being
used to try to slow down the Mercedes or or
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funnel it, you know, the way like you funnel cattle
to a slaughterhouse, uh into certain routes that they could predict.
They found the same thing as far as the death
of Dough de Fayette. They said, you know, it's drunk driver.
It's a it's a drunk driver. It's a tragedy. The
paparazzi is unethical, but this is not murder. However, it
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should be no surprise that some people still believe there's
more to this story. Quite a few people in Britain, here,
in the US, Canada, and around the world are convinced
that the official explanation is either somehow inaccurate or purposely
a cover up. More than twenty years after the fact,
this conspiracy seems to continue growing. It raises some fascinating points.
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We'll get to them after a word from our sponsor.
Here's where it gets crazy. What if Diana's car accident
wasn't an accident at all? Yeah, for people who believe
that Princess Diana's death was the rest on a homicide
or a conspiracy rather than an accident, it goes all
(40:04):
the way to Buckingham Palace, to Royalty and you know,
you wonder, well, why in the world would somebody want
to take you know, the former Princess Diana out. She's
no longer in your hair, she's no longer doing anything.
She's not representing you anymore. Why would you want to
take her out? This is so Game of thrones. There's
the idea that Diana was secretly pregnant with dode Fayette's
(40:26):
kid as well as engaged to him, and that the
British Queen was, wait for it, royally p owed by
the idea of a Muslim child being associated with the
family as a racist angle to somehow, yeah, right, some
somehow they were. They were like, look, it's all well
and good, we live in an integrated society, but no,
(40:47):
no Muslims in the inner circle. There's not a lot
of evidence to support that. It's more like an attitude
people assume the Royal family would have. Interesting. Then there's
the one that Charles needed ex wife dead to somehow
clear the way for this new marriage, and many of
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these claims would have faded off of the mainstream radar
probably were it not for Doughty's father, Mohammad al Fayed.
He remains convinced to this day in that the British
Royal family or the forces under their command murdered his son.
There's something interesting here, because you know, we have to
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we have to be very human again, and remember that
no parents should ever have to bury their child. So
of course you want to find reasons for such a
horrific catastrophe to occur. So you'll hear people say, sometimes diplomatically,
sometimes in in a somewhat callous manner, that this man
(41:52):
is just grasping at straws because he can't believe that
something as simple and chaotic as an accident could have
taken his child's life. But then we see these strange
breadcrumbs people have put together, and we're gonna give you
a couple of those to hear and hear what you think,
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and we'd love to hear from you afterwards as well,
to let us in your fellow listeners know where where
you find yourself in this story. Diana, Princess of Wales,
may have predicted her own death, at least that's where
her former butler, Paul Burrell believes. When he came forward
in two thousand three, he claimed that the princess had
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given him a note, a dated, signed note, ten months
before her death as an insurance policy. It was written
two months after her divorce from Chuck. Diana claimed in
the note she believed there was a plan for an
accident in my car, break failure, and serious head injury
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to clear the way for her ex husband to marry
their son's nanny, Tiggy leg Bork. This letter is not
universely accepted. It's got a lot of press. Came forward
in a book that the butler wrote. But there are
people who will claim that Burl, as her longtime butler,
knew her handwriting well and was capable of forging it. Yeah,
(43:14):
and at that point, it's who do you believe? That's
really what it comes down to. I wanted to ask,
you know, what it would a DNA tests be worthwhile
on that thing, because I would assume it doesn't necessarily
prove anything since they were probably in close contact. That
that's interesting, and whoever has handled it since then, who
knows how it was kept. But also, you know handwriting analysis,
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I haven't actually seen a full investigation into it. Yeah, yeah,
that's true. There are other there are other big claims too. Yeah. Well,
just the last thing with that is that just because
she was she had some fears about her ex husband
um with this other person, does not mean that he
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killed her for this reason and or I don't It's
one of those tough. It's it's a tough thing. Just
because her personal belief was there, even if it was
her sincere personal belief, it doesn't mean that that's what
happened exactly. That's a fantastic point. I think that's something
that many of us accidentally glaze over. But if we're
thinking critically, then we have to we have to acknowledge that.
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We also have to acknowledge a lot of the I
would say the bulk of the conspiratorial claims on all
Faid's part concern secret connections to M I six the
intelligence services. His argument is essentially that the royal family
wanted his his son and uh and Princess Diana dead,
(44:49):
but that you know, the Queen's not going to be
out there with a sniper rifle. You know, Prince Charles
isn't gonna show up and in like a weird mech
or some they are pop tires. So they say m
M I six did their dirty work. Well, yes, and
and it let's just let's game here really fast. If
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you are going to murder a former princess and her lover,
you cannot make it not look like an accident because
it will be such a high profile case immediately no
matter how the death occurs. Um, if if you were
going to take out a princess or royalty, you would
have to make it look like an accident. Right. So
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that's that's one of the other big things that comes
into play here because you've got people talking about i
mean spies literally, like the British people paying basically with
their taxes to have the princess murder. But are there
any theories surrounding like it with the paparazzi were plants
and they were trying to distract the driver and trying
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to force them off the road, Like do we have
any concrete was there? You know, supposedly any um manipulation
shouldn't done with the car, and he like tampering with
I mean I've never really seen anything like any of
those claims. Well, well, the claim is you don't have
to tamper with the car if you've got the driver
on your payroll, right that that's that's when he goes
back to Andre Paul and did you know, did he
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or did he not have any kind of contacts with
the world of intelligence or with you know, people who
conduct espionage. Yeah, theorists as well as his friends and
people who personally knew him will claim that he had
extensive contacts in the world of intelligence and spycraft. And
they'll claim this because of the nature of his employment
at the Ritz. The Ritz is a place where important
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people hang out. It's good to have access there behind
the curtain, was he in the pay of an intelligence agency.
The evidence to support this theory, or that purports to
support this theory, comes mainly from an unusual amount of
money that was found in his possession at the time
of his death, as well as his personal wealth, which
doesn't People will argue he makes more money than his
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position would imply, and then the argument falls he was
essentially framed for this, or possibly drugged or had the
results of his autopsy doctored. I'm sorry, I couldn't help it.
Uh to the idea that he was not drunk of
his own volition. But he was not drunk of his
own free will, right right, So another and his his
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friends and family said he liked a beer, but he
you know, he would love to have a night on
town with the boys, but he wasn't like a problematic drinker.
Another allegation concerns the reliability of the blood tests that
were carried out. The French investigator's conclusion that he was
drunk was made on an analysis of blood samples, and
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this was according to a September report. A British pathologist
hired by Alpha I had challenged these results and the
French authorities carried out more tests, but every time and
they said, we see that he is at approximately three
three and a half times over the limit and taking antidepressants.
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That's the thing. This is a point counterpoint opinion war
between Alpha ED and the French government, or as he
would say, the royal family. There's another there's a more
interesting angle though than Henri Paul. We're not going to
get the answers for that, but maybe we can find
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out more from Richard Tomlinson. Very interesting character. Reminds me
of some of the kind of wild West oss dudes
we talked about with the U S Intelligence Services. Tomlinson
worked for m I six. He was a He's someone
who gave testimony to the French inquiry in May of
n He said, under oath mind you m I six
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was involved in the crash. The security service has documentation
which will help you figure out what's going on. You
have to ask them. Furthermore, I believe that Henri Paul
was working for security services, maybe am I six, I
don't know. They were working for someone, one of the
spook squads, and that this Trevor Rees Jones guy was
(49:16):
a contact for British intelligence. He goes on to say
m I six was monitoring Diana before her death. Uh.
He told Mohammad al Fayed himself that Henri Paul was
an m I six agent, and he said to the guy,
he said, Ali Fay ed the death of Princess Diana
and your son mirrors plans I saw a few years
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ago back in for the assassination of then President of
Serbia Sloba Don Molosovich. They used a strobe light to
blind his chauffeur. That was their plan. Wow, and it's
crazy too. We're talking about the strobe light idea. That
image you were talking about earlier in the show. Um,
that is presumable one of these paparazzi images that was
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taken through the front windshield of the car incredibly close. Um,
it does look like you can see the flash bulb
in the driver's eyes, but he also has a very
odd look on his face, like a little doped up
looking Yeah, I would concur with your assessment there, And
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it does definitely feel strange. You gotta remember that the
lens could be you know, pretty telephotos, so they couldn't.
Maybe the vehicle isn't as close as it appears. But
that flash, and that's the big thing here. The flash
is troublesome no matter how far away they are, if
it's coming directly in front of them. And if you're
a photographer, if you know anything about photography, you probably
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wouldn't use a flash in that situation, would you. What
do you think, well, from that far away, like, why
would you use a flash in a tunnel, Like I
guess you would if you're moving really fast, you might
need to use a flash to get to capture an
image and not have that be blurry. Still seems odd
to use it from so far way on glass, because
if you're shooting through you know a window, flash is
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gonna reflect and mess up your shot, right, But ultimately
your goal is to illuminate the interior of the vehicle. Right.
So initially in I six doesn't doesn't dame this worthy
of response, but a source and m I six later
confirms that there were. In fact, this is interesting here's
their problem with with the guy's testimony. They say, no,
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of course we had no plans for that. Our own
government cleared us after their investigation. Uh. And this guy
is lying about this crazy cockamami plan to cause car
accidents through strobe light weaponization and they're like, oh, you
never did that, and they're like, well, yeah we did,
but it wasn't with slobad On Milosovich. So clear you
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can't believe this guy at all. That was That was
a different, uh, sketchy European dude that we were trying
to kill. Anyway, this interview was over, so Tomlinson's claims
were never a fishly corroborated. It's just off the record
m I six and alleged m I six members backing
him up. However, he was imprisoned in seven for breaking
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the Official Secrets Act. He sent a snopsis of a
book that he wanted to write about his career with
m I six to an Australian publisher. He served six
months of a one year sentence, got paroled and then
immediately skipped the country. The inquiry concluded by dismissing his claims.
They said it was an embellishment. It's not a lie,
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but an embellishment, and he said, you know, they said, furthermore,
his embellishment is dangerous because it's one of the primary
reasons people have these theories still that the um, the
British elite murdered one of their own. Tomlinson was also
arrested by French authorities in two thousand and six when
they were doing their inquiry into the death. French police
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at the time seized computer files and uh, personal papers
from his home and can and then eventually kinda he
kind of got away. They said he wasn't worth prosecuting.
In two thousand seven, he would have had him published
the book The Big Breach. People describe him as kind
of an arrogant James Bond esque character. Yeah, I'd say
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that seems about rain based on everything we know. So
he was allowed to return to Britain in two thousand
nine get royalties from his book. They dropped the threat
of charges against him as long as he had sort
of a gentleman's agreement to stop exposing the skeletons in
the m I six closet. Is that they were like
stopped talking to the press, stop talking about your old job,
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which you know, naturally leads us to conclude that he
probably had something on him. You know what I mean,
they didn't know what else he might have astely because
they basically just said, just leave it alone. We'll leave
you a loan. Let's just stop. Um, that's crazy. Let's
do let's do one Let's do one more thing. What
do you say, one more thing? Let's talk about that
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Fiat you mentioned. Heck, yeah, Fiat, that white, that white paint,
real smoke, show those things. Remember, I see white Fiat
in print. I can't help but think of the Starbucks beverage,
the flat white, because Fiat looks like flat on paper.
That's when I didn't know that was a third of
a flat white. No, Is it just milk? No, it's
like an espresso with milk on top of us, like
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a little dot of milk kind of What about that
white Fiat. Well, there were witnesses who were there, obviously,
there are a lot of people who were in that
tunnel at the time, and seven of them, uh said
they saw a white Fiat Uno, the one we mentioned
earlier that may or may not have made contact with
the vehicle and a motorcycle speeding out of the tunnel
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just seconds after after the crash, and there was a
lot of testing afterwards. The forensics basically confirmed that a
white Fiat Uno collided with the Mercedes carrying Diana and
Doughty and everyone else, and this collision was definitely a
significant factor in the crack. Now that's big, that's really big.
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And then there are other eyewitnesses who told police that
they saw a powerful flash of light just seconds before
the crash, before the not the crash itself, like the
impact flash impact flash. Think about it this way, flash
swerve impact, which is you know that blinding that we
were talking about, which it most certainly would in a
dark and tunnel like that, if you had essentially headlights
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coming right at you all of a sudden, there would
be a blinding effect. Here's the thing. The police say
they have been unable to locate either the vehicles, either
the Fiat or the motorcycle, or identify the drivers or
the passengers. However, there's a guy, Jean Paul James Andenson
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who is closely associated with his white Fiat. Oh and
we should we should point out they might sound strange.
They were able to find a specific make model of
car based just on a pigment. Uh, they were able
to find that because it was a factory pigment from Fiats.
They were able to match samples together. There are things
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like that that are occurring all over manufacturing these days,
where you could easily identify a certain vehicle, a certain
table even, or a pencil or any of that. Still,
don't print out ransom notes on your printer. He's supposed
to use this magazine cut out any printer that any
printer that you can commercially buy is going to have
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identifying pixels that are that are there for a reason.
The world is probably a slightly better place that they're there.
I'm not totally against it, to be honest, only slightly,
slightly slightly, but but so back to this guy, James Anderson,
Jean Paul James Anderson. Uh, he is linked with this.
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He's linked with this White Fiat. People who believe there
was a conspiracy, no homicide, are convinced that he was
intimately involved with this. He had been threatening to write
an expose a an explosive book. UH. He had links
with the Secret Service. Apparently he met with an author
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named Frederic Dard to discuss this book he said would
blow the lid off a conspiracy, and then he was
found in a torched car, allegedly with two bullet wounds
in his head, and the authorities ruled that it was suicide. Okay,
Dart also died torch your own car, the junction man.
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So the so he and the author both died, yes, yep,
uh and Mohammed al Fayed urged police to reopen the
investigation into Anderson's death. But at this point it didn't happen.
And you know this, this story goes on and on
and on like the uh, the British public, if you
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were listening to this in the United Kingdom, you are
a member of the most one of the most heavily
surveiled populations on the planet. There are more closed circuit
television cameras or CCTV cams in the UK per person
than there are anywhere else on the planet. So why
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didn't these catch more of the accident? That's when Alpha
adds questions. It's a fair question. The problem is that's
that number we just gave you about, you know, being
the most highly observed or surveilled. It's it's tricky. It's
number of cameras per person, but most of those are private,
so they're not looking out on the street. They're looking
out at the door of the business, the off license
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or whatever, which is their name for liquor stores that
I that, you know, so that they can identify a burglar.
They're not there to monitor traffic. Yeah, the traffic monitors
come much later and we're still talking. So you're absolutely right.
So without without going into the entire we would have
to do a mini series and all the screwy things
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about this tragedy without going into it entirely, I have
to say, still, there's one big problem with this, which
is that there are other more certain ways to kill anyone. Yeah,
that wouldn't be plastered all over the news and have
a gazillion photographs of it. What an airplane crash? But okay, yeah,
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there would still be photos everywhere, but you wouldn't be
able to prove it, would be it would be easier
to just say, oh, it was an accident, I guess maybe,
or I mean, you know the classic tal as old
as time movie devices fake somebody's suicide. There was strife
in this relationship. They could have written off a princess
dies suicide. Yeah, say, I don't know, execute someone with
(59:50):
bullets in a car and then burn that vehicle and
still not as weird as the guy who uh got
who got his fixated locked up a duffel bag. Suicide. Yeah,
suicide is is a huge cause of death for intelligence
service operatives, and it appears but but yeah, I wonder
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about that too. It seems a little bit not not
to be automatically dismissive. It seems first blushed, kinda Rube
Goldberg esk, you know, unnecessarily complicated. It's why play mouse trap?
Why introduce all these other variables? There are other people
on the street, it's a public street. Why flash strobe
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lights or other devices at people just in the hopes
that there's a chance that it causes an accident, and then, furthermore,
hope that there's a chance that of the four people
in the car, one of the ones who dies will
be the person you're quote unquote trying to get Like
I can. I can see the sides of this, and
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I can see how the details are screwy. But what
do you guys think? Yeah, I'm definitely with you. Occam's
razors pretty darn strong with this. Just the pressure that
the paparazzi was putting on on the driver who was
intoxicated or at least his his blood, especially when they
tested his eye fluid, because originally they were testing just
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you know, blood, they took blood symbols, they test that
for blood alcohol. But then they were using the I
figeret what they call it's not ocular fluid, but it's
your eyes, and that gave an even truer uh or
in in even harder to fake or introduce, like falsely alcohol,
right because of the way it travels through the capillaries
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and everything to get to your eye. Um. Anyway, once
once that occurred, you can all in my mind he
was definitely drunk. The driver on re and the paparazzi
were definitely taking flash photographs, and they were definitely speeding,
and you put all that together, in my mind, you
get accident and and that to me is really all
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you need. However, it's not that I'm not intrigued by
some of the some of the claims that Muhammad alf
I had had. They all though seem to be coming
or stemming from that Tomlinson character has he still has these.
But it's like you said, Ben, I mean, it's grief
manifests itself in all kinds of ways, and like you said, Matt,
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one of them can be I need someone to blame
for this, and you can. It can become an obsession.
Sometimes there's something at the other end of that obsession.
Sometimes it's just an obsession and it's like you're chasing ghosts,
you know, you're punching it shadows it. Also, regardless of
what we think about this personally, it also absolutely does
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not help that for all all uh virtual, practical, forget
it all literal purposes, the royal family is above the law,
you know what I mean. There are no consequences and
the you know, if if the um PR turns bad
(01:03:06):
for them, they can just uh have like a Megan
Markle take over the celebrity news for a while and
then some of the under leans and m I six
will you know, will take the fall for it. Yeah,
this is life without consequences. That's so it's it's pretty
(01:03:27):
It absolutely doesn't mean that they were like, hey, why
let's fake a suicide and then it doesn't mean it's
one turned around was like, no, let's be weird with it.
It just means that, um it just means that unlike
the vast majority of people on these this planet. Uh
they would not go to jail for a murder. They
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just wouldn't. Yeah, they would have plausible deniability no matter what.
M I five and m I six do have licenses
to kill. Remember we did an episode on that that
was really depressed, not just a clever catchphrase. It turns
out and we're no different. But thank you for checking
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(00:25):
back to the show. My name is Matt, my name
is Noel. They called me Ben when you're joined as
always with our super producer Paul, mission controlled dec and
most importantly, you are you. You are here so cheerio
that makes this stuff they don't want you to know
a bit of a British episode for us today, we're
going across the pond Pip as they called it in
(00:46):
the Transatlantic Times, that many people say over the pond
ties days, halle hoo. Sure, Yeah, I love Pip Pip.
People need to bring that back. I've I've I've been
tremendously instrumental in bringing back touch tut, such that some
of my friends banned me from it for a few months. Yeah,
there are times when, in a serious, somber moment in
(01:08):
someone's life, Matt, they don't need to hear the phrase
tut tut. It's as unhelpful as saying I told you so,
or that reminds me of a thing that happened to me,
you know what I mean. It's just a verbal stand
in for a finger wag, isn't it. It's a bit Yeah,
I feel maybe a little aw SHUXI too, you know,
like if if if a kid is scared of a
(01:29):
thunderstorm or something, it's like tut tut. I don't know.
I've definitely experienced a few. It's not erroneous tut tuts,
but just tut tuts that appear out of nowhere and
when I'm not expecting them. Really, like in the wild,
in the field, in the wait, doesn't Pooh Bear say
tut tut? It looks like rain Oh, I don't know
it is, Yeah, he does. Tut tut is a small
(01:49):
admonishment or disappointment. That's That's exactly where I've been hearing it.
I've got a giant book of Winning the Pooh stuff.
I'm reading my son and he totally says, tut tut. Uh, dude,
your kids so cool. You're so cool for bringing the
Pooh Man, bringing the poo, ty to bring the poo Dude.
None of my heroes wear pants, It's true. Uh, why
(02:12):
are we talking about British nomenclature and terminology. It's a
great question. We can answer it now. It's a little
bit of a downer answer. It turns out that on
August thirty one, Diana, known as the Princess of Wales,
died in a Parisian hospital as the result of injuries
from a car crash. This is something that our fellow
(02:33):
listeners have been asking us about for but I mean
since we started the show. It's one of the first
suggestions we got, and we just never did it because
again we were originally video only. Yes, and our video
did cover some of the main things we will be
discussing today, but we in this format get to dig deep. Yeah,
it's gonna get weird. Her driver was a guy named
(02:56):
Henri Paul, her boyfriend was a guy named Dody Fayette,
and her boyfriend's security guard when Trevor Rees Jones were
all in the car when the accident occurred, and we
were not to not to date the three of us
too hard, but we were all alive at this time. UM,
for those of us who were residents of this part
(03:18):
of the world, that's right after the Olympics, like a
year after the Summer Olympics. UM and maybe we're too
young to remember where we were when we heard about this,
but a lot of people around the planet know exactly
where they were when the news broke. Do you guys remember,
do you have any memories of this? I was fourteen
(03:39):
at my parents house. I know that for sure. Oh,
you're just doing the math. There were just yeah, we're
we're roughly the same age, I believe, man, I guess so.
I think so. We've never really compared, but it feels
like we are. So. I was probably in the neighborhood
of fourteen. I remember probably being at my neighbor's house.
That's what I'm going to say. I was at my
(04:00):
neighbor's house heard. Yeah, it's strange. It's for a lot
of people in in the UK or in the Commonwealth,
the impact of the tragedy was similar to that of
nine eleven or Pearl Harbor. They remember exact moment that
they heard this news. And it's strange because the two
(04:23):
tragedies I just mentioned involved thousands of people and this
involves three deaths and really just one that the public
appeared to care about. But Diana was like a symbol, right,
I mean, she was seen as this she was this
beloved princess. She was seen as the epitome of goodness
and lights, you know, in their country. And then the
(04:44):
death in and of itself, of course was tragic, but
it also uncovered a bit of scandal that maybe tempered
some of those feelings of affection and admiration for this person.
And both of these instances have another thing in common,
where there are a tremendous number of people who believe
that there is something fishy about them, that perhaps there
(05:04):
was some kind of inside job at play. Absolutely good
point and well said. So here are the facts. She's
not born the Princess of Wales. Diana is born Diana
Francis Spencer on July one, six one. She's already part
of them, the long running one percent of the UK,
(05:27):
the aristocracy, the people who own most of the land
and have for hundreds and hundreds of years, which apparently
you're not supposed to talk about there, But that's the
that's one of the huge problems of the country. Everything's fine,
keep going right, right right, don't ask questions. So Diana
was a child of Viscount and Viscountess all Fort in
(05:49):
February of nineteen eighty one. She becomes engaged to Prince Charles.
He's the oldest son of the British Queen Elizabeth the Second.
In a very Hamilton esque move, Charles had previously been
engaged to Diana's older sister, one Lady Sarah Miccodell, and
(06:09):
Diana and Charles went on about twelve dates before they
announced their engagement, So it's it's like Vegas style in
terms of the speed of their relationship. And they had
met previously before when she was sixteen and he was
twenty nine. Uh. They were wed five months after announcing
their engagement at St. Paul's Cathedral on July twenty. People
(06:32):
loved it. People all about the aristocracy and um, the
entire you know, the theater of that system. And so
you can't just say, at the risk of being agists
that that a difference of sixteen is in my mind
personally a little bothersome. But you know, who cares whatever.
(06:56):
Just for the record, anybody wants to know the code
or the formula, it's half your age plus seven. That's
the official okay to date. I feel that people, and
this is not a deing on you, man, but I
feel I've heard that before and often when I've heard
it recite it that way. It's it's from um, like
we're friends, but it's from someone that I don't trust,
(07:18):
because my immediate question, especially I don't know them well,
is how many times did you run this formula? How
many are you one of those guys? Well, then, first
of all, I'm being tongue in cheek when I say
that there's a magic formula that tells you who you
are and are not allowed to date. But I agree
with you, Ben. When someone really says that with a
straight face, then yeah, It's like when someone knows the
intricacies of a weird series of laws, like they're they're like, look,
(07:44):
you know, I mean quayludes and intend to for an
intend to distribute. It's really a lot of people think
it's based just on the weight, but it's also based
on how it's packaged, you know, like cool man, I
just wanted to sprite you didn't want? No? No, shout
out to Church's chicken and shout out to something else
(08:06):
is completely irrelevant. I know we're gonna gonna get back
on the topic soon, but did you know that seven
up used to have lithium in it? And this up?
It was like represented like an up in your mood.
I did not know that. I knew about cocaine and cocacola,
but I did not know about lithium and seven up
opium as well. It was quite common in a lot
of those curative drinks. We could go ahead and that's
a good episode of Saber. Doesn't beat us to it.
(08:27):
Let's just switch gears, guys, let's talk about just show it.
We'll just go for the rest of the episode and
pretend that it was about that, but not sprite. It
was seven up so uh so, speaking of fantastic segues. Uh,
the Diana and Charles marriage produces two sons, or they
call them having issue. When you're when you're when you're
(08:50):
you know, you win the genetic lottery and your nobility
and uh these would go on to be the tremendously
popular Princes William and Harry. The mayor Ridge was the
subject of tons of rumor mongering and muck raking in
the local tabloids, which makes sense. What was it was
in the old eleanor Roosevelt quote? Uh that said, small
(09:14):
minds talk about people, middling minds talk about events, and
great minds talk about ideas. There's always gonna be money
in celebrity reporting. It's the banana stand of journalism. You know,
there's money in it. There's money, and it always so.
Despite the fact that this marriage was seen as this
continual source of like Kardashian level, reality TV showed vicarious
(09:40):
train wreck scandals, Diana herself was just as you said,
nol seen as a symbol, a cultural icon. Despite um,
despite the reality of who she was in society and
where she came from. She was respected for her charity work,
which was serious, including using the access to tremendous wealth
(10:01):
and influence she had to support hospitals to advocate for
the eradication of land minds and to raise awareness of
HIV AIDS, mental illness and cancer. So people people felt,
you know, um, that they identified with her mission. You know,
more than a more than a few folks would hear
(10:24):
about this work and say, that's what I would do,
you know what I mean, Like, if I had that power,
that's what I would do. And then add the human
element of being stuck in a bad relationship, and now
how could you not care about this stranger a little bit? Oh? Absolutely,
I mean to have royalty care at all you know,
(10:46):
within the ivory towers of royalty, that that people are
suffering from something, whether it is from from cancer or
family members and friends being under threat of land minds everywhere.
That's one of those those subjects that doesn't, at least nowadays,
get much attention at all. But that's still a thing
across the world, the danger of landlines. And this was
(11:07):
literally the princess who gave a crap right right, and
so people in general felt felt a little convicted. People
were very uh. You hear this a lot in fiction nowadays,
when we're when we're living through the stories of people
on screen or on a page, you hear someone say,
I'm team whatever, I'm team blah blah blah. There were
(11:30):
people who were team uh the establishment, you know, Buckingham,
Team Buckingham, let's call it that. And then team Diana.
But everybody pretty much knew all was not well over
and Chuck and Diana's crib. The media was able to
confirm extra marital affairs on both sides of the bed,
and eventually even charles parents got involved. Let's try to
(11:53):
talk these kids off a ledge. So Charles's parents, Queen
Elizabeth the second, you know, Queen Elizabeth is still kicking around, uh,
and Prince Philip met with the couple for kind of
like a impromptu marriage counseling session and intervention of sorts. Uh.
Philip and Diana exchanged letters, very personal letters um that summer,
(12:14):
and in which she expressed her disappointment at both her
and Charles's extramarial affairs and asked her to see both
of their slip ups from the other person's point of view.
Interesting and very seemingly progressive for what you would think
would be a very rigid, high society kind of situation,
especially since Prince Philip is a record calling people things
(12:35):
like spear chuckers. Oh that's right, Philip, isn't he the
one who has a cargo cult? Yeah? But like I
think they recently took away his license to drive because
he was crashing into stuff because he's like or something. Now, Yeah,
he's quite he's quite elderly. He is not he is
not a perfect person, yeah, exactly. At one point Philip
(12:56):
seemed completely just overwhelmed, ready to give up, and he wrote,
I will always do my utmost to help you and
Charles to the best of my ability, but I am
quite ready to concede that I have no talent as
a marriage counselor um I can I can only imagine, Yeah,
someone who has lived the life of Prince Philip, like
trying to get into those the deep interpersonal relationships in
(13:19):
that way when you're when the life that you live
is so guarded from other people just by its nature.
That's very empathetic of you, you know what I mean.
I think that's really I think it's really generous of you. Okay, No,
it's true, Matt, because it is hard to even understand
how someone with this much privilege, raised with as much privilege,
(13:39):
could even wrap their heads around or even attempt to
exercise this kind of understanding, you know what I mean. Yeah,
well that's without me knowing what it what it really is.
But my my, my understanding of just the the schedule
that you must keep, the the rigorous relationships of convenience,
(14:00):
and uh, just all the things you have to do
to uphold your image, right, you know what I mean. Like,
it doesn't lead to a lot of heartfelt talks. In
my opinion, he does sound like a like a genuinely
concerned kind of parent, you know what I mean. Give
you've ever been on the ounce with a significant other.
I'm sure many of us listening to have been in
that situation where you're like, wow, it's not working out
(14:22):
with the person and dating, but her or his parents
are amazing, you know what I mean. And then they
like give you advice. You know, it's it's my kid.
Why can I say? They're kind of like that sometimes.
But you'll work it out, you'll work it out, you're young. Yeah,
But in this case they didn't work it out. No,
they did not. Their attempts at reconciliation on all sides
(14:43):
were unsuccessful. In December, things start to hit the fan.
Prime Minister John Major publicly announces the pairs amicable separation,
reading a statement from the royal family. UH December twenty,
Buckingham Palace announces the Queen has written separate let The
British Queen Elizabeth has written separate letters to the couple
(15:04):
ordering them to file for divorce as soon as possible.
This was a huge scandal at the time, people were
getting their popcorn in bulk. After considering the present situation,
the Queen wrote to both the Prince and the Princess
earlier this week and gave them her view supported by
the Duke of Edinburgh. That's uh, Philip that an early
(15:25):
divorce is desirable, and boom boom boom, snap crackle pop.
By August the divorce was official. Isn't that interesting? The
divorce is desirable. Y'all are making us look bad. They
called it an early divorce. I don't drag this out,
just just get it over with. Let's move on. Just
(15:46):
your your relationship is old, yeller. Where at the end
of the story, just take it out back. Well, you
have to imagine too that I believe it was Charles
that first was discovered to have been cheating on Diana's
correct with Camilla ker Bulls, who he is now married
to um which maybe led Diana to seek her own
extra marital affair. And then maybe at that point it
(16:07):
kind of becoming under became an understanding between the two
because they were certainly was They were not in it
to win it. They were going to maybe keep it
up for the for the public image of it all.
But even that I think became untenable because you see
pictures of them during these periods and they're sitting at
different tables with their backs to each other. It's a
very cold war unfriendly kind of situation, not any fun
to be in and try to keep up appearances. I'm
(16:28):
sure there's a sad moment in an interview where they're
talking about their engagement early on and some some reporter,
I don't know if they were in the inner circle, um,
but some reporters says, oh, so you're in love blah
blah blah, and then the Diana characters says, oh, yes,
(16:49):
we're in love, and then the the Chuck says whatever
that means he dies or something like that, and it's
just it's not a good look. It's a cringe. But yeah, yeah,
you're right there. It's a political alliance as much as
a relationship. The idea of the idea of marrying and
being in a relationship at all for the purposes of
(17:12):
romance is relatively recent in our history, or it's rather
it's relatively recent for it to be a commonplace thing,
and so the old laws or the old Morey's probably
still hold in a lot of royal families, you know,
and it gets nasty. The public is loving this. Princess
Diana has a tell all interview with the BBC, which
(17:34):
is very rare for the royal family. At all, because,
as you said, Matt, they function under many constrictions or
I don't know, traditions about how they're supposed to be
regarded or speak to anyone who was again outside of
their inner circle. Yeah. Absolutely. And then that interview was
with Martin Basher, and that's a very memorable interview if
(17:57):
you were alive then, um, because in it she talks
about all kinds of details. She again she talks about
how she was unfaithful, She talks about Charles affair, and
she has a very famous quote that she gave while
in that interview and she said, there were three of
us in this marriage, so it was a bit crowded.
And to that end, she's talking about Camilla Parker Bulls. Um,
(18:20):
it's it's pretty tough. Yeah. And again the to Ben's
point about how marriage for love wasn't a thing, I mean,
these two were completely paired up for political reasons between
these families, and Charles and Camilla Parker Bulls had dated
like in the seventies, like they already had a relationship,
and then when he got paired off with Diana, she
ended up marrying her, you know, a former boyfriend of
(18:42):
hers and then they kind of reconnected. So it's sort
of like it was set up to fail. Yeah, but
Chuck did she was Diana over her sister, right, I
mean that's one of the first things we set up.
I guess I'm just saying here, I'm just saying the
whole system of arranged marriages is a little bit hanky.
There are people would argue that the whole system of
marriage in general is has problems here here Yeah, hey,
(19:09):
I said there were people who would. It was very
respectful and diplomatic. But yet you're, um, these are these
are great points still despite um, whatever weird traditions or
cultural brainwashing maybe in place in these sorts of systems,
you can't change the fact that people are people, and
(19:31):
these people are parents. Right, So they have they have
their divorce, but that doesn't mean that just because they're
not spouses doesn't mean they can't be good parents. So
after the divorce, despite all the you know, bad blood,
it's water under the bridge. Charles and Diana work together
to be decent parents to their kids after the divorce,
(19:55):
and continue to do so up until Diana's death in
August eighteen nine seven. I didn't know how old she
was at the time she was thirty six. Yeah, I
just I guess I thought she was older, because you know,
she was she had done so much with her life,
because you know, she didn't have to have a job,
(20:17):
or or a mortgage or student loans to loans, or
pay for insurance or um. I didn't have to do anything. No, really,
it's so funny to me too. I think it's your
point as well, Ben, that she's lifted up as being
this model person. But you have to keep in mind
(20:38):
that she was a model aristocrat who had unlimited resources.
So all it took was a little bit of a
streak of kindness that any people in her position could
have done, but the fact is most of them just don't.
So she was kind of like the exception to the
rule because she was an incredibly wealthy person who very
openly was kind to poor people as opposed to it
not seeming like just like a tax write off. She
(20:58):
was very much in the field and visiting hospitals and
all of this stuff. So I'm just saying I'm not
I'm not diminishing. I don't think you are either been
at all any of the good works that she did.
But it's certainly easier to hold her up as a
shining example of someone of that station, because a lot
of them aren't, you know, pretty self serving and awful
no matter what. She existed in that framework and she was.
(21:20):
Oh and some of the most influential work she did
was making the Royal family look good for the people
who support their existence. There you go. So it was.
It was as in the people of the United Kingdom
right right, right, right right, and yeah, and all of
the the other territories who also must know at least
(21:42):
tip their hat. Can you imagine growing up in a
council estate and walking by Buckingham Palace. It takes some
some real uh, some some real well thought out rhetoric
to make that feel like a good idea right for society.
But that's you know what, that's my opinion. I don't
mean to dump on people's choice of tradition. We will
(22:06):
return after the break because we have gotten to the
pivotal night, the last night that Diana, Princess of Wales
spent on Earth. Travel back with us, folks. It's August
(22:26):
of Diana's thirty six. She's dating a forty one year
old man named Dodi Fayed. He is the son of
a man named Mohammed Alpha Ed, a billionaire, the former
owner of Herod's department store. As a matter of fact,
he owns a lot of stuff. He owns a yacht
that Doughty and Diana are hanging out on, uh and
(22:48):
they leave the kind of a vacation excursion thing and
they arrive in Paris and they're hanging out in Sardinia
and they they decided to take off, So Diana leaves
in a private jet earlier on that same day and
she arrives in Paris with Doughty and they're just planning
to stop over briefly on their way to London. In Paris,
(23:10):
and you know, they spent nine days together on that
yacht and they were hanging out in the French and
Italian riviera, just having a really good time together, spending
some time. And you can see lots of photos surrounding
this time of them from paparazzi and the like, because
you know, whenever, even though she was outside of the royalty,
(23:31):
she was still one of the most photographed humans on
the planet. Now, their plan was to stay at the
Ritz Parish and this is another property like all the
Herods that Doughty's father owned, and they dined at a
place called ritz El Espardon. I don't know how to
say that correctly. Espaldon and Diana. We know this unfortunately
(23:53):
because of autopsy and because of you know, just records.
But Diana had dover soul g wald tempora and an
asparagus omelet, and that ladies and gentlemen would prove to
be her final meal. They were continually hunted by the press.
If you've ever read Watership Down, there's a fantastic um
(24:16):
mythology that the rabbits in that story have about being
the prince with a thousand denemies, you know, and they
were in a kind of Watership Down situation. They were
always being pursued by serious journalists, by tabloid journalists, by
freelance photographers and so on. Terrifying. That's a terrifying thing. Yeah,
(24:38):
I mean, I can't say that I know what that's like,
but I can imagine because you you're using the word hunted,
and I would agree that that's exactly what it is.
Sometimes they'll say hounded, but it's a synonym at that point. Right.
So now we returned to a man named Enri Paul,
an employee of Alpha Ed's Paris Rits. He is the
(24:58):
deputy head of purity at the hotel and he has
been entrusted with the task of driving a rented black
Mercedes Bins S two eighty to elude the press. The
idea is this, that they're going to send a decoy
car out first, and that the photographers and the press
(25:22):
gang will follow that car, and then the chauffeur Paul
will take Doughty and Diana to an apartment owned by
Dowdy's father nearby and they will spend the night in
that apartment, not in the Ritz, before they continue on
to London. So this car, the car they're actually and
(25:42):
has four passengers, the driver, Dodi and Diana in the
back and the guy Trevor Rhys Jones, a member of
the Fied Family security team ride and shotgun. It's late,
it's around twelve. It's after twelve twelve three or so.
Uh they're they're driving and it turns out the decoy
(26:03):
did not work as well as they want. The press
is onto them. Picture people in motorcycles like hauling their
keysters off and swerve in Tokyo drift style while there's
another person on the back of the motorcycle leaning out
at weird right angles, try to catch the catch the
(26:25):
Mercedes in action, hoping against hope that one of the
tented windows is for some reason rolled down, because if
you can get these people's faces in a photograph, you
have you know, you have paid your rent for a
month or so, you know what I mean, Because unlike
the people in the Mercedes, they had jobs and mortgages
(26:46):
and stuff like that. Do you guys remember the Paparazzi
mission and that Grand Theft auto game. I think it
was the one in Los Antos, the most recent one. Yeah,
you had to ride, you had to do some very
similar stuff. It was like all about you know, literally
stalking people on you know, tailing them in cars, running
alongside with motorcycles that you do in a game like that.
But yeah, I mean it's really really nasty stuff, right,
(27:10):
like more than just invasion of privacy, literally putting people
at risk absolutely, which comes into play later because the
driver loses control and Repaul loses control of the Mercedes
at the entrance to the Pont de l Alma tunnel.
The car strikes the right hand wall of the tunnel.
It swerves to the left of the two lane road
(27:32):
before it collides head on with one of the pillars
I think the thirteen pillars supporting the roof of the tunnel.
At this time, it's traveling about a hundred and five
kilometers per hour sixty five miles an hour. The reports
will say between sixty and seventy. The initial reports said
one hundred and five miles per hour. But surprise, surprise,
(27:54):
somebody was lying to sell more papers and in closed space,
no less that kind of speed, that bad news. You
can see photographs of the Mercedes and it looks ugly.
You would think that everyone in there died instantly, especially
people in the front. Witnesses reported seeing smoke, and there
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were a ton of witnesses. They also reported that the
area was swarming with photographers and they were all over
the car in motorcycles and other other automobiles before the
Mercedes enters the tunnel. This meant that as the victims
lay in the vehicle, the press actually arrives before any
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emergency services. And this is where this is where we
can look at the media in a in an antagonistic way,
because a lot of these folks, a lot of these
photographers panicked. They ran to the crash, you know, dropped
their motorcycles, run out of their cars, and they start
tugging on the doors, trying to save the lives of
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these again human people who have just been in a
terrible car accident. But an other photographers stand back waiting,
hoping against hope that someone pulls open that door of
that Mercedes, because sure, you can pay rent for a
month or two if you get if you get someone's
face in a photo, but if you get the face
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of a dying princess, you might be set. I mean,
that might be a book deal for you. Yeah, which
is horrific. Yeah, that's grim all around, because there's gonna
be I hope, you hope that there's a certain amount
of guilt on anyone who was pursuing that vehicle once
once it crashes, and the feeling of oh, no, I
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need to help, what have I done? Kind of thing.
But you're right. The self preservation in this self, the
desire to, like you said, pay a mortgage something we
hit on early on in this it's such a strong desire,
strong need to you know, pay for rent, pay for whatever,
to survive, that it overtakes and that's what happens, or
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maybe they were just uh, they were just competitive, you know,
there was a cutthroat industry. They didn't want other people
to get the shot that too. Either way. Police later
go on to seize film from seven different photographers on
this scene. Six of them are French, one of them's
from Macedonia. The cops ultimately take twenty rolls of film,
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which have not been seen as morbid. As it may sound,
kind of a good thing to have so many photographs
snapped of a scene as it happened, as it took
place in terms of solving the kind of out that
it was any mystery as to what happened, but in
terms of like evidence that could be entered into the
you know, that's a good that's a very good point.
You know, Uh, we don't know how much of it
was kept from the public. We just have in this
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case of the confiscated stills, we just have the statements
of the people who said their stuff was stolen. But
there are a few images that you can find, Yes,
there are there are You can see the car when
it's on the back of a tow truck. Well, and
there are a couple shots. This is the one. Well,
I'm just gonna show it. Oh, there's there are a
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couple of shots in particular that look to be from
the car that is in front of their vehicle that's
shooting in and you can see the driver and Trevor
Rees Jones, um, and you can kind of see Princess
Diana's the back of her head. Um. But you can
see just from there that there's flash photography happening in
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the vehicle in front of them. Yeah. Yeah, flash photography.
That's gonna be that's gonna be a huge Part two,
because we have to remember this took place in the
late nineties. So so what happens. We've got the scene
of this car accident swarming with photographers, some helping, some not,
and where the police. So it takes the police ten
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minutes to arrive, and then the ambulance five minutes after that,
So fifteen minutes, uh, and Henry Paul and Dodi Faytte
were both dead or dying. They died at the scene. Um.
Princess Diana was conscious and she was in shock. She
was removed from the car at one am, and when
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she was moved, she went into cardiac arrest, but was
successfully resuscitated there on the scene. She was in the
ambulance by one eighteen and left the scene around and
then finally she made it to the hospital and around
two oh six am. Fatte and Paul were both declared
dead at the scene of the accident. Their bodies were
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not taken to a hospital. They were taken to a
mortuary in Paris, the Institute Medico Legal Diana's internal injuries.
Although she looked relatively okay on the exterior, her internal
injuries were extensive. Her heart had been physically displaced to
the right side of the chest just from impact and
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this were the pulmonary vein and the para cardium. UH.
This means that despite lengthy resuscitation attempts, including internal cardiac
massage and emergency room work UH, the Princess of Wales
passed away at four am on August thirty one, and
an enthusiologist named Bruno Rio announced her death at six
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am at a news conference held at the hospital. And
thus it came to pass that by dawn, bodyguard Trevor
Rhys Jones was the only survivor of the accident, and
as you couldn't imagine, an investigation ensued, a large investigation
and one person who will become One of the primary
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um I guess sources of information and speculation after this
is Mohammad al Fayette, Dody's father. He he came forth,
he game out publicly and stated that his son, Dodi
and Diana were both murdered by the British royal family,
and he started using all of his influence to try
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and find whatever evidence he could find that this was
the case. A billionaire is now facing the royal family,
which is honestly going to be one of the few
forces that would be effective in presenting counter argument. Yeah,
you know what I mean. Absolutely, and eventually alphae Had
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totals up around a hundred and seventy five very specific
claims that support his belief that it was indeed an
inside job by the royal family. The French government follows
up on each of Fayad's claims alphay Had's claims to
the best of their ability. This quickly becomes the most
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expensive road accident investigation in all of French history, counting
the time before the invention of the automobile. Autopsy reports
from the mortuary mentioned earlier found that the driver on
Repall had been impaired while operating the vehicle at point
one seven five grams of alcohol per milli leader of blood.
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He was around three point five times over the legal
limit for driving in France. Additionally, there were antidepressants in
his system if you believe that autopsy. There was also
paint on the car which showed that the Mercedes had
made grazing impact with a white vehicle later identified partially
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due to the chemical composition of the paint as a
Fiat Uno. This French judicial investigation last eighteen months, it concludes,
and it says, here's what happened. We looked over what
you're claiming Mr Alpha had. The crash was caused by
the chauffeur on repall. He lost control of the vehicle
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at high speed because he was intoxicated. We have made
a six thousand page report on this and someone's like,
oh cool, publish it and they're like, non, yeah, they
never did. But British law has to be involved too.
This is a former um member of the government really,
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So the way British law works is it requires an
inquest to be held whenever there's a sudden or unexplained death,
and this leads us to something called Operation Paget or
Operation Paget, depending on how anyone to go with it.
The Metropolitan Police prepared reportty two pages long. This one
is published, it's made available to the public. You can
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read it now. It has sixteen chapters. It goes into
what they see as the sixteen broad categories that Alphaetta
is raising when he says there's something wrong. They were
essentially looking at the stuff that Alpha had said would
be inconsistent with an accident a pure chaotic um interaction
of chance and tragedy were consistent with m I six
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having ordered the assassination, and after this operation concluded, they
handed it over to a British inquest and six years
after demise, Michael Burgess, who was then the coroner for
the Queen's Household. The British Queen's Household held the inquest
two thousand eight inquests wraps up A United Kingdom jury
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with eleven members finds that On Repaul, the driver of
the Mercedes at the time of the crash, was culpable
due to his gross negligence, and that yes, his blood
alcohol level was cartoonishly high, three times higher than a
reasonable driver should have. Yeah, and they also found that paparazzi,
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specifically photographers, were partially responsible for the fatal car accident
by driving dangerously, driving recklessly, by um possibly distracting and
already inebriated driver with flash photography, which goes on to
be incredibly important. The corner for this was a guy
named Lord Justice Scott Baker, and he described these verdicts
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as the equivalent of manslaughter in a criminal court, which
is important. That means someone dies due to maybe negligence,
maybe you don't have the best attentions for them, but
you're not trying to kill them at least did yes,
And in this case it is the driver who wasn't
trying to kill them, as well as the paparazzi, So
no one was was like fully attempting to murder anyone, right,
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that's what That's what he's saying. Yeah, And the French
police cleared photographers are being directly linked to it. But
again the Royal Court of Justice in London heard multiple
eye witnesses talk about blocking cars that were allegedly being
used to try to slow down the Mercedes or or
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funnel it, you know, the way like you funnel cattle
to a slaughterhouse, uh into certain routes that they could predict.
They found the same thing as far as the death
of Dough de Fayette. They said, you know, it's drunk driver.
It's a it's a drunk driver. It's a tragedy. The
paparazzi is unethical, but this is not murder. However, it
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should be no surprise that some people still believe there's
more to this story. Quite a few people in Britain, here,
in the US, Canada, and around the world are convinced
that the official explanation is either somehow inaccurate or purposely
a cover up. More than twenty years after the fact,
this conspiracy seems to continue growing. It raises some fascinating points.
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We'll get to them after a word from our sponsor.
Here's where it gets crazy. What if Diana's car accident
wasn't an accident at all? Yeah, for people who believe
that Princess Diana's death was the rest on a homicide
or a conspiracy rather than an accident, it goes all
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the way to Buckingham Palace, to Royalty and you know,
you wonder, well, why in the world would somebody want
to take you know, the former Princess Diana out. She's
no longer in your hair, she's no longer doing anything.
She's not representing you anymore. Why would you want to
take her out? This is so Game of thrones. There's
the idea that Diana was secretly pregnant with dode Fayette's
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kid as well as engaged to him, and that the
British Queen was, wait for it, royally p owed by
the idea of a Muslim child being associated with the
family as a racist angle to somehow, yeah, right, some
somehow they were. They were like, look, it's all well
and good, we live in an integrated society, but no,
(40:47):
no Muslims in the inner circle. There's not a lot
of evidence to support that. It's more like an attitude
people assume the Royal family would have. Interesting. Then there's
the one that Charles needed ex wife dead to somehow
clear the way for this new marriage, and many of
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these claims would have faded off of the mainstream radar
probably were it not for Doughty's father, Mohammad al Fayed.
He remains convinced to this day in that the British
Royal family or the forces under their command murdered his son.
There's something interesting here, because you know, we have to
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we have to be very human again, and remember that
no parents should ever have to bury their child. So
of course you want to find reasons for such a
horrific catastrophe to occur. So you'll hear people say, sometimes diplomatically,
sometimes in in a somewhat callous manner, that this man
(41:52):
is just grasping at straws because he can't believe that
something as simple and chaotic as an accident could have
taken his child's life. But then we see these strange
breadcrumbs people have put together, and we're gonna give you
a couple of those to hear and hear what you think,
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and we'd love to hear from you afterwards as well,
to let us in your fellow listeners know where where
you find yourself in this story. Diana, Princess of Wales,
may have predicted her own death, at least that's where
her former butler, Paul Burrell believes. When he came forward
in two thousand three, he claimed that the princess had
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given him a note, a dated, signed note, ten months
before her death as an insurance policy. It was written
two months after her divorce from Chuck. Diana claimed in
the note she believed there was a plan for an
accident in my car, break failure, and serious head injury
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to clear the way for her ex husband to marry
their son's nanny, Tiggy leg Bork. This letter is not
universely accepted. It's got a lot of press. Came forward
in a book that the butler wrote. But there are
people who will claim that Burl, as her longtime butler,
knew her handwriting well and was capable of forging it. Yeah,
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and at that point, it's who do you believe? That's
really what it comes down to. I wanted to ask,
you know, what it would a DNA tests be worthwhile
on that thing, because I would assume it doesn't necessarily
prove anything since they were probably in close contact. That
that's interesting, and whoever has handled it since then, who
knows how it was kept. But also, you know handwriting analysis,
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I haven't actually seen a full investigation into it. Yeah, yeah,
that's true. There are other there are other big claims too. Yeah. Well,
just the last thing with that is that just because
she was she had some fears about her ex husband
um with this other person, does not mean that he
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killed her for this reason and or I don't It's
one of those tough. It's it's a tough thing. Just
because her personal belief was there, even if it was
her sincere personal belief, it doesn't mean that that's what
happened exactly. That's a fantastic point. I think that's something
that many of us accidentally glaze over. But if we're
thinking critically, then we have to we have to acknowledge that.
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We also have to acknowledge a lot of the I
would say the bulk of the conspiratorial claims on all
Faid's part concern secret connections to M I six the
intelligence services. His argument is essentially that the royal family
wanted his his son and uh and Princess Diana dead,
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but that you know, the Queen's not going to be
out there with a sniper rifle. You know, Prince Charles
isn't gonna show up and in like a weird mech
or some they are pop tires. So they say m
M I six did their dirty work. Well, yes, and
and it let's just let's game here really fast. If
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you are going to murder a former princess and her lover,
you cannot make it not look like an accident because
it will be such a high profile case immediately no
matter how the death occurs. Um, if if you were
going to take out a princess or royalty, you would
have to make it look like an accident. Right. So
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that's that's one of the other big things that comes
into play here because you've got people talking about i
mean spies literally, like the British people paying basically with
their taxes to have the princess murder. But are there
any theories surrounding like it with the paparazzi were plants
and they were trying to distract the driver and trying
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to force them off the road, Like do we have
any concrete was there? You know, supposedly any um manipulation
shouldn't done with the car, and he like tampering with
I mean I've never really seen anything like any of
those claims. Well, well, the claim is you don't have
to tamper with the car if you've got the driver
on your payroll, right that that's that's when he goes
back to Andre Paul and did you know, did he
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or did he not have any kind of contacts with
the world of intelligence or with you know, people who
conduct espionage. Yeah, theorists as well as his friends and
people who personally knew him will claim that he had
extensive contacts in the world of intelligence and spycraft. And
they'll claim this because of the nature of his employment
at the Ritz. The Ritz is a place where important
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people hang out. It's good to have access there behind
the curtain, was he in the pay of an intelligence agency.
The evidence to support this theory, or that purports to
support this theory, comes mainly from an unusual amount of
money that was found in his possession at the time
of his death, as well as his personal wealth, which
doesn't People will argue he makes more money than his
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position would imply, and then the argument falls he was
essentially framed for this, or possibly drugged or had the
results of his autopsy doctored. I'm sorry, I couldn't help it.
Uh to the idea that he was not drunk of
his own volition. But he was not drunk of his
own free will, right right, So another and his his
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friends and family said he liked a beer, but he
you know, he would love to have a night on
town with the boys, but he wasn't like a problematic drinker.
Another allegation concerns the reliability of the blood tests that
were carried out. The French investigator's conclusion that he was
drunk was made on an analysis of blood samples, and
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this was according to a September report. A British pathologist
hired by Alpha I had challenged these results and the
French authorities carried out more tests, but every time and
they said, we see that he is at approximately three
three and a half times over the limit and taking antidepressants.
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That's the thing. This is a point counterpoint opinion war
between Alpha ED and the French government, or as he
would say, the royal family. There's another there's a more
interesting angle though than Henri Paul. We're not going to
get the answers for that, but maybe we can find
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out more from Richard Tomlinson. Very interesting character. Reminds me
of some of the kind of wild West oss dudes
we talked about with the U S Intelligence Services. Tomlinson
worked for m I six. He was a He's someone
who gave testimony to the French inquiry in May of
n He said, under oath mind you m I six
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was involved in the crash. The security service has documentation
which will help you figure out what's going on. You
have to ask them. Furthermore, I believe that Henri Paul
was working for security services, maybe am I six, I
don't know. They were working for someone, one of the
spook squads, and that this Trevor Rees Jones guy was
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a contact for British intelligence. He goes on to say
m I six was monitoring Diana before her death. Uh.
He told Mohammad al Fayed himself that Henri Paul was
an m I six agent, and he said to the guy,
he said, Ali Fay ed the death of Princess Diana
and your son mirrors plans I saw a few years
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ago back in for the assassination of then President of
Serbia Sloba Don Molosovich. They used a strobe light to
blind his chauffeur. That was their plan. Wow, and it's
crazy too. We're talking about the strobe light idea. That
image you were talking about earlier in the show. Um,
that is presumable one of these paparazzi images that was
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taken through the front windshield of the car incredibly close. Um,
it does look like you can see the flash bulb
in the driver's eyes, but he also has a very
odd look on his face, like a little doped up
looking Yeah, I would concur with your assessment there, And
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it does definitely feel strange. You gotta remember that the
lens could be you know, pretty telephotos, so they couldn't.
Maybe the vehicle isn't as close as it appears. But
that flash, and that's the big thing here. The flash
is troublesome no matter how far away they are, if
it's coming directly in front of them. And if you're
a photographer, if you know anything about photography, you probably
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wouldn't use a flash in that situation, would you. What
do you think, well, from that far away, like, why
would you use a flash in a tunnel, Like I
guess you would if you're moving really fast, you might
need to use a flash to get to capture an
image and not have that be blurry. Still seems odd
to use it from so far way on glass, because
if you're shooting through you know a window, flash is
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gonna reflect and mess up your shot, right, But ultimately
your goal is to illuminate the interior of the vehicle. Right.
So initially in I six doesn't doesn't dame this worthy
of response, but a source and m I six later
confirms that there were. In fact, this is interesting here's
their problem with with the guy's testimony. They say, no,
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of course we had no plans for that. Our own
government cleared us after their investigation. Uh. And this guy
is lying about this crazy cockamami plan to cause car
accidents through strobe light weaponization and they're like, oh, you
never did that, and they're like, well, yeah we did,
but it wasn't with slobad On Milosovich. So clear you
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can't believe this guy at all. That was That was
a different, uh, sketchy European dude that we were trying
to kill. Anyway, this interview was over, so Tomlinson's claims
were never a fishly corroborated. It's just off the record
m I six and alleged m I six members backing
him up. However, he was imprisoned in seven for breaking
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the Official Secrets Act. He sent a snopsis of a
book that he wanted to write about his career with
m I six to an Australian publisher. He served six
months of a one year sentence, got paroled and then
immediately skipped the country. The inquiry concluded by dismissing his claims.
They said it was an embellishment. It's not a lie,
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but an embellishment, and he said, you know, they said, furthermore,
his embellishment is dangerous because it's one of the primary
reasons people have these theories still that the um, the
British elite murdered one of their own. Tomlinson was also
arrested by French authorities in two thousand and six when
they were doing their inquiry into the death. French police
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at the time seized computer files and uh, personal papers
from his home and can and then eventually kinda he
kind of got away. They said he wasn't worth prosecuting.
In two thousand seven, he would have had him published
the book The Big Breach. People describe him as kind
of an arrogant James Bond esque character. Yeah, I'd say
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that seems about rain based on everything we know. So
he was allowed to return to Britain in two thousand
nine get royalties from his book. They dropped the threat
of charges against him as long as he had sort
of a gentleman's agreement to stop exposing the skeletons in
the m I six closet. Is that they were like
stopped talking to the press, stop talking about your old job,
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which you know, naturally leads us to conclude that he
probably had something on him. You know what I mean,
they didn't know what else he might have astely because
they basically just said, just leave it alone. We'll leave
you a loan. Let's just stop. Um, that's crazy. Let's
do let's do one Let's do one more thing. What
do you say, one more thing? Let's talk about that
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Fiat you mentioned. Heck, yeah, Fiat, that white, that white paint,
real smoke, show those things. Remember, I see white Fiat
in print. I can't help but think of the Starbucks beverage,
the flat white, because Fiat looks like flat on paper.
That's when I didn't know that was a third of
a flat white. No, Is it just milk? No, it's
like an espresso with milk on top of us, like
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a little dot of milk kind of What about that
white Fiat. Well, there were witnesses who were there, obviously,
there are a lot of people who were in that
tunnel at the time, and seven of them, uh said
they saw a white Fiat Uno, the one we mentioned
earlier that may or may not have made contact with
the vehicle and a motorcycle speeding out of the tunnel
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just seconds after after the crash, and there was a
lot of testing afterwards. The forensics basically confirmed that a
white Fiat Uno collided with the Mercedes carrying Diana and
Doughty and everyone else, and this collision was definitely a
significant factor in the crack. Now that's big, that's really big.
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And then there are other eyewitnesses who told police that
they saw a powerful flash of light just seconds before
the crash, before the not the crash itself, like the
impact flash impact flash. Think about it this way, flash
swerve impact, which is you know that blinding that we
were talking about, which it most certainly would in a
dark and tunnel like that, if you had essentially headlights
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coming right at you all of a sudden, there would
be a blinding effect. Here's the thing. The police say
they have been unable to locate either the vehicles, either
the Fiat or the motorcycle, or identify the drivers or
the passengers. However, there's a guy, Jean Paul James Andenson
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who is closely associated with his white Fiat. Oh and
we should we should point out they might sound strange.
They were able to find a specific make model of
car based just on a pigment. Uh, they were able
to find that because it was a factory pigment from Fiats.
They were able to match samples together. There are things
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like that that are occurring all over manufacturing these days,
where you could easily identify a certain vehicle, a certain
table even, or a pencil or any of that. Still,
don't print out ransom notes on your printer. He's supposed
to use this magazine cut out any printer that any
printer that you can commercially buy is going to have
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identifying pixels that are that are there for a reason.
The world is probably a slightly better place that they're there.
I'm not totally against it, to be honest, only slightly,
slightly slightly, but but so back to this guy, James Anderson,
Jean Paul James Anderson. Uh, he is linked with this.
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He's linked with this White Fiat. People who believe there
was a conspiracy, no homicide, are convinced that he was
intimately involved with this. He had been threatening to write
an expose a an explosive book. UH. He had links
with the Secret Service. Apparently he met with an author
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named Frederic Dard to discuss this book he said would
blow the lid off a conspiracy, and then he was
found in a torched car, allegedly with two bullet wounds
in his head, and the authorities ruled that it was suicide. Okay,
Dart also died torch your own car, the junction man.
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So the so he and the author both died, yes, yep,
uh and Mohammed al Fayed urged police to reopen the
investigation into Anderson's death. But at this point it didn't happen.
And you know this, this story goes on and on
and on like the uh, the British public, if you
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were listening to this in the United Kingdom, you are
a member of the most one of the most heavily
surveiled populations on the planet. There are more closed circuit
television cameras or CCTV cams in the UK per person
than there are anywhere else on the planet. So why
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didn't these catch more of the accident? That's when Alpha
adds questions. It's a fair question. The problem is that's
that number we just gave you about, you know, being
the most highly observed or surveilled. It's it's tricky. It's
number of cameras per person, but most of those are private,
so they're not looking out on the street. They're looking
out at the door of the business, the off license
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or whatever, which is their name for liquor stores that
I that, you know, so that they can identify a burglar.
They're not there to monitor traffic. Yeah, the traffic monitors
come much later and we're still talking. So you're absolutely right.
So without without going into the entire we would have
to do a mini series and all the screwy things
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about this tragedy without going into it entirely, I have
to say, still, there's one big problem with this, which
is that there are other more certain ways to kill anyone. Yeah,
that wouldn't be plastered all over the news and have
a gazillion photographs of it. What an airplane crash? But okay, yeah,
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there would still be photos everywhere, but you wouldn't be
able to prove it, would be it would be easier
to just say, oh, it was an accident, I guess maybe,
or I mean, you know the classic tal as old
as time movie devices fake somebody's suicide. There was strife
in this relationship. They could have written off a princess
dies suicide. Yeah, say, I don't know, execute someone with
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bullets in a car and then burn that vehicle and
still not as weird as the guy who uh got
who got his fixated locked up a duffel bag. Suicide. Yeah,
suicide is is a huge cause of death for intelligence
service operatives, and it appears but but yeah, I wonder
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about that too. It seems a little bit not not
to be automatically dismissive. It seems first blushed, kinda Rube
Goldberg esk, you know, unnecessarily complicated. It's why play mouse trap?
Why introduce all these other variables? There are other people
on the street, it's a public street. Why flash strobe
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lights or other devices at people just in the hopes
that there's a chance that it causes an accident, and then, furthermore,
hope that there's a chance that of the four people
in the car, one of the ones who dies will
be the person you're quote unquote trying to get Like
I can. I can see the sides of this, and
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I can see how the details are screwy. But what
do you guys think? Yeah, I'm definitely with you. Occam's
razors pretty darn strong with this. Just the pressure that
the paparazzi was putting on on the driver who was
intoxicated or at least his his blood, especially when they
tested his eye fluid, because originally they were testing just
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you know, blood, they took blood symbols, they test that
for blood alcohol. But then they were using the I
figeret what they call it's not ocular fluid, but it's
your eyes, and that gave an even truer uh or
in in even harder to fake or introduce, like falsely alcohol,
right because of the way it travels through the capillaries
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and everything to get to your eye. Um. Anyway, once
once that occurred, you can all in my mind he
was definitely drunk. The driver on re and the paparazzi
were definitely taking flash photographs, and they were definitely speeding,
and you put all that together, in my mind, you
get accident and and that to me is really all
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you need. However, it's not that I'm not intrigued by
some of the some of the claims that Muhammad alf
I had had. They all though seem to be coming
or stemming from that Tomlinson character has he still has these.
But it's like you said, Ben, I mean, it's grief
manifests itself in all kinds of ways, and like you said, Matt,
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one of them can be I need someone to blame
for this, and you can. It can become an obsession.
Sometimes there's something at the other end of that obsession.
Sometimes it's just an obsession and it's like you're chasing ghosts,
you know, you're punching it shadows it. Also, regardless of
what we think about this personally, it also absolutely does
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not help that for all all uh virtual, practical, forget
it all literal purposes, the royal family is above the law,
you know what I mean. There are no consequences and
the you know, if if the um PR turns bad
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for them, they can just uh have like a Megan
Markle take over the celebrity news for a while and
then some of the under leans and m I six
will you know, will take the fall for it. Yeah,
this is life without consequences. That's so it's it's pretty
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It absolutely doesn't mean that they were like, hey, why
let's fake a suicide and then it doesn't mean it's
one turned around was like, no, let's be weird with it.
It just means that, um it just means that unlike
the vast majority of people on these this planet. Uh
they would not go to jail for a murder. They
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just wouldn't. Yeah, they would have plausible deniability no matter what.
M I five and m I six do have licenses
to kill. Remember we did an episode on that that
was really depressed, not just a clever catchphrase. It turns
out and we're no different. But thank you for checking
out our show today. Folks. Let's let us know where
were you when you heard about the death of Dodi
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fayede uh Ri Paul and Diana, Princess of Welles. Do
you think it's an accident? Do you think there's more
to the story? If so, what and why? Yes? You
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I thought your message was hilarious, So I apologize in advance.
Will you do a voice I always do? It's this one.
Oh yes. So let's say you've listened to that and
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for me. I hate the phone. It's guys, I totally
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