The Mysterious Lake City Quiet Pills

Did a group of private assassins use a series of sleazy websites as fronts for their base of operations? Join Ben, Matt and Noel as they delve into the mysterious story of Lake City Quiet Pills.

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is
riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or
learn this stuff they don't want you to know. Hello,

(00:26):
and welcome back to the show. My name is Matt,
my name is Noela. They call me Ben. You are you?
And that makes this stuff they don't want you to know.
Today we're talking about something, something pretty weird. So maybe
by way of segue, we can talk a little bit
about the Internet. Guys, I ever heard of that? The Internet?

(00:47):
What's that? That's a big deal. Yeah, that's a big deal.
So what is it though? The Internet? I'm so glad
you asked. Uh, let's just explain that we're kidding. If
you're listening to this show, you already know what the
Internet is. You've listened to our earlier episodes on the
Dark Web. And we would like to recommend a guy

(01:07):
that we usually give a hard time to. If you
want to get a good nuts and bolts explanation of
the technology at work behind the Internet, head on over
to Tech Stuff with our friend recurring guest recurring guest host,
and of course our complaint department, Jonathan Strickland. He's kind

(01:29):
of a frenem me in a way. You know, when
I first started working here, he promoted me to Nemesis
at some point, and I thought he would let it
he I thought eventually we get tired of it. Did
you know? You guys have been riding that crazy train
ever since? I know, but he does know his stuff

(01:50):
about the Internet and technology. We're going to talk specifically
about a strange mystery that occurred on Reddit a number
of years ago, with a strange name. It's called Lake
City Quiet Pills. That's pretty cool, huh. I don't know why.
It gives me a shutter It'll give you more of

(02:11):
a shutterer once we get into it. Something about that
just on its own. Remember the last episode we talked
about how like kind of simple, straightforward names seem the
most nefarious at times. Yes, that has that thing. Yeah, definitely, yeah,
absolutely Well, this thing is found was found originated on
a website called Reddit. If you don't know what Reddit is,
let's get into it. It's a news slash meme, I

(02:34):
would say, aggregator. I would say it kind of leans
heavily on the second. Maybe. You know, there's a lot
of news. That's where I get a lot of my news,
And in theory it's driven by reader interests. This it's
up votes down votes. Instead of creating its own, you know,
stories of Reddit publishing things, it takes articles from other
parts of the web, images from other parts of the web,

(02:56):
throws it on there and lets all of the people
vote on what's the best and what's the worst. And
the name itself is a portmanteau really of reading and editing,
and the people that contribute to it are referred to
as redditors because not only do they consume the content
on the side, they are also largely responsible for the
content on the site. And there is sort of a
hierarchy of upvoting and downvoting what you're talking about as

(03:16):
far as what rises to the top and what sings
to the bottom. So in theory, if everything is working well,
Reddit will become the sum of its participants' interest. And
just like Noel and Matt explained this rough upvoting downvoting
of things, Reddit users this is very important are to

(03:37):
a degree anonymous. So sure we've looked in We've looked
into this in the past. It's essentially so inconvenient to
be anonymous on the web that you might as well,
consider it impossible. But Reddit makes it very easy for
someone to have a different identity part of the draw.
Really yeah, I would absolutely agree. And but sure, our

(04:03):
buddy are poor, unfortunate n say intern Steve oh Man, Steve,
are you doing okay? He probably knows everyone's real name
and address. But the average Reddit user won't know anything
about other Reddit users or redditors unless they choose to
reveal these details. That means that it's very, very difficult
to know what's true. And the community has evolved ways

(04:26):
to prove things when necessary, but for the most part,
and can do and say post whatever you want. And lastly,
it is like almost like an ecosystem. It's sort of
like a combination, sort of a hybrid message board where
there are little communities, subcommunities, people that know each other
and that communicate on a regular basis and may voluntarily

(04:48):
share information with one another within a particularly close knit
community within the Reddit ecosystem. That's a really good point. Yeah,
And another thing that we need to look at here
is when you make an account a Reddit account, and
you make posts, anyone can click on the name of
your account and see an entire backlog of everything that

(05:09):
you've publicly posted as a user of Reddit. Yeah, which
is super handy to the story we're getting into today,
because there is one person in particular that we're going
to focus on that this whole story revolves around. Yes,
all of this brings us to a redditor named Religion
of Peace all one word. This redditor was a shady dude,

(05:34):
sketchy person, bad hombre. Apparently based on his comments right,
he was tied to some disreputable parts of Reddit. We
do want to warn you that some of the things
we are going to be citing here are severely not
safe for work, not NSFL, NSFL, not safe for life.
So if you desire to visit these, visit them at

(05:57):
your own risk. So, as Noel mentioned that, it is
an ecosystem that has these different communities that are focused
on specific interests. So there might be you can also
anyone can make a new community. So there might be
something that's just for Camaros. There might be something that's

(06:18):
just for magic, the gathering, Magic the gathering, just like
a partico, like a George R. Martin or something like
that particular series of books. You know, a product, even
I mean it gets as granular as you your imagination
will allow. I think there's a subreddit for our one
of our peer shows stuff you should know. Actually, you know,

(06:38):
we officially have one subreddit conspiracy stuff we do. We
do a user and I am so sorry. If you're
listening to this. I don't remember who which person made
it for us, but it exists there. Oh holy smokes,
it's waiting to be curated by you. Not Been and Noel,
but you, the listener. You specifically listening to this, yeah,

(07:00):
not a general you know, you specifically like the you
like in the name of the show, like the stuff
they don't want you. Yes, ye, you that you. It
all just came around to me that I realized that's
the you. We've been talking about this whole time, all right,
So now that we have established this, we know that
people can make their own communities. This guy Religion of

(07:21):
Peace was a moderator, an administrator of communities like jailbait. Yeah,
the one that he's a moderator of was true jailbait,
which sounds even worse. So this would be you know,
this is essentially on the line of underage pornography. And

(07:42):
he also ran a website called that Old Guy's Image
Host again, as Noel said, an sfluh does contain pornographic material,
and ordinarily this kind of posting history. It's it's unfortunate,
it's sleazy, but it's not completely unheard of in forums

(08:03):
you know, like Reddit or It's Evil Genius Sibling four Chan.
You know, these these kind of things happen because in
a lot of ways, people feel empowered when they are anonymous,
and they will do things that you know they would
never do if you knew their real names. Back in

(08:25):
July two thousand and nine, another redditor going by the
name two six announced that Religion of Peace had passed
away at the age of seventy nine. Gross I mean
not that he passed away, but that he was seventy
nine and moderating. Right, Yeah, if this is true. Now

(08:46):
this again, this seems like, yeah, this seems sad but normal.
You know, you can, as Matt said, see the comments
that a Reddit user has made laid out in a timeline,
and Religion of Pieces comments are very interesting and far
afield from what you would expect to find. It appears,

(09:06):
in fact that he was someone with a lot of
military backgrounds and that his I guess criminal interests didn't
just stay in the flesh trade. He apparently specialized in
arranging assassinations. Perhaps perhaps so, should we go through a

(09:28):
couple of the posts that he made, just so we
can establish like more information about this guy. Well, first
of little background, They're like, what are we talking to here?
Like what made this language unusual? Okay, sure, right, so
the walk through it this way. So remember the website
we mentioned a minute ago. There was a rereditor named

(09:51):
Zaza Kokwan who found some information hidden in the page
source in the source code of that old guy's image
host and had the strange domain name of www dot Lakecity,
Quiet Pills dot com. The site was also run by
Religion of Peace. What this Reddit user found appeared to
be these coded messages related to hiring people to conduct

(10:17):
these military operations. And shortly after this was discovered and
armchair investigators were checking into it, another redditor found that
the code had changed. Whoever was running the site had
I guess up their game and used encryptied hashes. So

(10:38):
here's the kind of stuff they were saying before the
code changed. I would say, standing on the no fly list,
let us know ahead of time to make arrangements. Twelve
March twenty ten speck four person team. These are all
in a lot of like very strange shortthand initially slashes
and shorthands and abbreviations and acronyms and things like that,

(11:00):
and people have made guesses about what some of this means. So,
for instance, there's there's a part where it says fed
CCW a plus that means is probably conceal and carry permit,
and also says stuff like no USWW that probably stands

(11:22):
for wants and warrants. And these references go around with
with other parts of the world, like the European Union
is mentioned here. Fluency in French or fluency in English
are mentioned here. Depending on the people you ask this.

(11:45):
There are people ex military who say that this sounds
like outdated military speak, so this could mean and this
could mean that Religion of Peace who's apparently also known
as Dutch Milo is a retired service member who went mercenary.

(12:07):
And nowadays there's a lot of money in going private industry.
I mean, I can't remember what Blackwater is calling itself now,
Academic or something perhaps, or they'll just think they'll get
a more an increasingly vague name, until one day they're
just group incorporated, you know, but when people found us,
they thought, what the heck's going on? Who is the

(12:31):
shade guy they're referencing? Who is Dutch? Milo? Is this
an elaborate hoax? Is this a marketing campaign? Some people
thought it was an alternate reality game? Is this an
assassination squad? Well, we'll find out right after a quick
sponsor break. Here's where it gets crazy. So we've established

(13:03):
what's happening everything up to now is a real thing.
The big question which people haven't quite been able to
crack yet is whether this is you know, whether this
is just somebody trolling on the internet, or whether it
is a genuine mercenary ring or intelligence op of some

(13:29):
sort that was discovered. And there are arguments for and
against it being a hoax. But Matt, what okay? So
one of the things we heard a lot when the
argument in the arguments for it being a hoax was
the concept of an arg as you said, alternate reality game.
Could you tell us a little bit about that. Oh? Sure,
one of these things is going to be involving all

(13:49):
kinds of different electronics, sometimes manual transmissions. You're talking about
secret posts on websites, codes that are hidden somewhere that
if you're playing the game and you know what the
game is, you're going to be looking for it. But
if you're not, then it's going to be innocuous. So
this is not like a web based like app, like

(14:09):
a war game that has like a top down game
type setup. This is like almost like a digital scavenger
hunt kind of setup where it's established what the rules are,
what the rules of play are, and then you kind
of have to figure out where what you're looking for
and where to look, right kind of. Yeah, this is
something that's sort of out of my wheelhouse a little bit.
I'm trying to understand. It gets used a lot in

(14:31):
viral marketing for say a film, right, So if you
want to if you want to get people excited about
a Matrix reboot, which spoiler alert is apparently happening, Yeah,
then you would, as as a marketer, you would go
and pepper in these little breadcrumbs on these different websites

(14:51):
and people would maybe just see a billboard that had
a phone number and if you went to that phone number,
you get a weird message. Okay, I remember one with
the movie Cloverfield for example, with the you know, like
a Loshter Movies, slush show. Yeah, they had all these
like sub brands that websites would pop up and you
would be like, what the hell is this and then realize, oh,
you click here and it cross linked you back to
another thing, and yeah, I get it. It does kind

(15:12):
of like create this almost mythology for a product and
it gets people talking about it and people you know
on the internet love that. Yeah, but there are other
communities out there where it's not just for marketing. It's
a game that you can play where if you sign up,
you create an account on a website and you sign
up to play this game. Then you'll get calls in

(15:33):
the middle of the night with someone who gives you
like a secret message or something by a real human
or sometimes by a robot, and then you it'll give
you coordinates, or it'll give you a place to be
at a certain time, and there will be a physical
note left there for you, or they'll be like a
VHS tape in a padded envelope left on your doorstep
with footage of you sleeping on it. I guess I'm

(15:54):
just trying to stress that these things are very real.
They're not always for marketing. And they you know, you
can play them for any number of reasons. Sure, sometimes
to scare yourself, sometimes for the mystery, and sometimes for
the market, and sometimes for job applications or for entry
into elite communities like Cicada. Yes, when you know, we

(16:19):
had an update from Wired where ours technical I believe
about that that experience because an anonymous robotics student actually
did manage to crack the code, got into the gang,
and you know, worked with them on open source stuff,
so that mystery was somewhat solved. The reason we're bringing

(16:43):
up these examples is because we want to we want
to outline that this is more common, perhaps than you
might think, and this blurring of the line between reality
and fiction is much more easily accomplished now that we
live in this world of instantaneous, pervasive information. So it

(17:08):
could be that it could be that someone just made
it up and said, you know, this is this is
gonna be my my opus. Maybe it all yeah, Maybe
you break Maybe you break some kind of code now
that they use like hash encryptions and stuff. Maybe you
break some kind of code somehow and you get a

(17:32):
web address and you type it in and it's just
a rick roll video maybe, but to do all that
on that website, to do all of this through and
almost underage, if not underage, you know, pornography site, pretty creepy.
That's true. So when let's talk about some things that

(17:52):
would some connective tissues. So when when that redditor to
announced that religion and peace had passed away or Dutch Milo,
they said that they were going to bury him near
various ashes, near a farm that he used to live on.
But there was a mall there now. So people have

(18:15):
based on the name Lake City and this information Mount
Farm tried to trace the coordinates of this. Okay, I'm
getting a little bit ahead of myself. The two six even,
just to keep you there, two six even posted an
image and said, here's where Milo is now, and it's
an image on Google Maps and it's right next to

(18:38):
a little strip mall. Yeah, it's just it looks like
a place that's being developed, like a little tracted land
that's being developed. He's like, that's where he is. So
there's another there's another important thing here. We're talking about
the name Lake City Quiet pills. Yeah, creepy, right. It
comes from another person on a website called farc An

(18:58):
Angel to six member FARC from back in the day
that was I used to go to that side. Yeah, yeah,
it's I mean some back in the day stuff. He
was posting there since two thousand and one, and his
tagline was, you know, like his signature line that would
show up and then for was dispensing Lake City Quiet
Pills to lousy bastards in need of permanent rest since

(19:19):
nineteen sixty eight. Yes, and his email address was at
Lake City Quiet Pills dot com. So it would appear
then that he and Dutch Milo would both have access
to this or are the same person pretending to be
different people. But this is way back in two thousand
and one. I mean, this is really committing to the bit,

(19:41):
isn't it. And we have just to reiterate here. The
reddit user's name is two dash six and then this
is angel to dash six, except in this version on
farc it spelled out two six. And we also see
these different connections that a lot of us redditors have
made with the Lake City connection. Remember that redditor we

(20:04):
mentioned zaskoquan that's ojibe for fry bread. And we have
some named sister sythe who said that they were that
they identified the location of that map that two six
posted that it's a reservation at Fondu Lac. This means that,

(20:30):
in this redditor's opinion, Lake City could be a reference
to Duluth, Minnesota. But there's another and somewhat more compelling
argument for Lake City quiet pills. Yeah, it's in Missouri,
maybe because there's this thing called the Lake City Army
Ammunition Plant. It's in Independence, Missouri. It was originally constructed

(20:52):
in nineteen forty one by Uncle Sam. And it's one
of several government owned ammunition plants. That's where they make
all the bullets for the Army and Navy and Air
Force and special Forces, all that stuff. And it's the
primary it's the United States primary production source for small
caliber rifle ammunition, hence a Lake City quiet pill. And

(21:15):
it's commonly referred to as Lake City ammo. And the
plant itself is pretty famous among shooters and handloaders. Most
people hadn't heard them being called quiet pills before. Most
of the American military surplus ammo that people do use
to shoot comes from Lake City. Like this place is

(21:37):
an enormous plant. There are people who let's go back
and forth on this. I like the word pro and
conning the truthiness of it. So there are other people
who think this is absolutely a hoax. Timeline be damned.

(21:57):
They say that. They say that Religion of Peace is
not a guy who served in the military in the
late forties, and they do some quotes because Religion of Pieces.
I was in the Navy until forty five. I didn't
see any land combat until Palestine in forty seven. I
saw it then both sides, and continued seeing it until

(22:18):
I got too old. So if we walk through some
of the math, that would make him eighteen at least
in nineteen forty five, meaning he was born earlier in
nineteen twenty seven, which would make him eighty in two
thousand and seven, around eighty two in two thousand and
nine when two six said that he passed away. So

(22:38):
maybe the story is changing, Maybe the guy is mistaken.
We don't know how well they knew each other. There's
another thing people try called contextual grammar analysis, and this
would be running a passage through a through an algorithm essentially,
or through some software that would guess the age of

(23:01):
the person writing. I don't know how you guys feel.
I think that's interesting science, but I don't know how dependable.
That is, I wouldn't bet the farm on it or
the strip mall. There's also seems to be a perspective
if you dig through some of the Reddit threads on
this subject, that a lot, if not all, of the

(23:23):
people involved in this ring and that we're posting on
this site were ex military where it was like a
ring of like former rangers and you know, high level,
highly trained military personnel, and that that kind of rings
true here to me. Yeah, I could definitely see it.
So if they're tied into let us say, for the

(23:46):
sake of argument, that the let us say, for the
sake of argument, that this is some sort of mercenary
or assassin ring or even an intelligence operation. The first
question would be, why would you put these kind of
notes in source code on a porn site, publicly available

(24:12):
porn site. It seems pretty easily discovered. Should we read
a couple more excerpts? Yeah, I think that's a great idea.
I got a really good one. This is the one
that really got to me from Religion of Peace, posted
seven years ago, and it got two points, you guys said,
and this is just an excerpt from it. Of course,
there are assassinations there are some things that the legal

(24:34):
system can't fix. So many people actually believe that as
fed up as things are right now, and as they
have been for the last twenty years, that they aren't needed.
I can think of any number of criminal organizations that
would benefit from a dose of Lake City quiet pills.
So there you have religion of Peace using that phrase.

(24:54):
In some of the other threads that I'm digging through here,
we have a perspective that some folks believed that this
language was almost written in a way that made it
sound like you would expect ex military to sound, or
like that the coded language talk was just so over
the top as not to really be legit. But there's

(25:16):
actually another podcast called Thinking Sideways that did episode on this,
and they consulted, according to their post here on Reddit,
consulted a large number of ex military special experts, et cetera,
and they seemed to believe that, as you mentioned earlier, Ben,
it was simply more of an old school way of

(25:36):
speaking or writing these codes, and that most of them
that they showed it to felt that it was in
fact legit, which is interesting, goes you know, it's going
back and forth on this. If they are arranging assassinations
in real life, then we would be able to or

(25:57):
we would hope that we would be able to find
and an example of an assassination, you know what I mean.
Unless these people are just getting together and LARPing, Well,
there might have been one. There may be one example
right spot on Matt the assassination of Mahmud al Mammo.
Can we take a quick sponsor break before we hop
into the details of that case. Absolutely. As we mentioned

(26:26):
before the break, we do have more examples of these
comments that were found in the source code or in
the page source and we'll walk through a couple of
these and maybe see if they attach to a specific assassination. Right, So,
our first first example here would be January twenty ten

(26:49):
January twelfth, and it reads happy New Year everyone. We're
having a birthday party for the old man on the nineteenth.
Party starts at fifteen hundred at the usual send you
or VP to shade listening to the shade keeps popping up. FYI,
We're booking a room for three days for anyone coming
from out of area and overnight for locals. Come hoist

(27:11):
one for Dutch Milo. Okay, So it's an invite to
a birthday party. That sounds innocuous, sounds fine. And then
on the eighteenth of January twenty ten, we see another message.
We got thirty eight rooms in the Marriotte on forty
six Shade has the key cards for locals. Pick up

(27:32):
at the party, give your travel name to the desk
and that's it. No ID needed since we're covering the bill.
Keep the room surface under five hundred. Okay, it's lanky.
The phones are not secure. Bus from the hotel leaves
at thirteen p thirty, car service vouchers for return trip
when you're ready to crash. Don't DUI interesting wording here, Yes,

(27:57):
I'm really interested in that thirty eight rooms. So this
is either a giant party or that's code for something right.
That's a very good point. Met. This also coincides with
that quote that Nol just read was on eighteen January
twenty ten, the day before there was an assassination in Dubai.

(28:25):
On nineteenth January twenty ten, a man named Mahmoud al
Mapum was assassinated. He was wanted by the Israeli government
for kidnapping and murder of two soldiers in eighty nine,
as well as purchasing arms for Iran from Iran for
use in Gaza. His assassination got a lot of international attention,

(28:49):
due in part to the belief that it was ordered
by the Israeli government and carried out by MASAD agents
holding fake or stolen passports from different European countries and Australia.
There were twenty six suspects. They were put on Interpool's
Most Wanted list because of the timeline of the comments

(29:14):
and because of the timeline of the assassination, some investigators
believe that these are direct references right now, Yeah, and
I believe this occurrence. This assassination had a ton of
video related to it, a video in the hotel and
the lobby next to the rooms, video of people going

(29:38):
in and out of a room, and it was pretty
high profile. I remember onlivelyk at the time I saw something.
It's been a while and I couldn't find anything on
it in searching again. But this is really interesting way
it's lining up here, at least with the dates and
some of this lingo. And then a person on Reddit

(29:59):
who an account which is now deleted, went through and
kind of compared these two like what happened in real
life and then what happened on the site, and you know,
there's all kinds of stuff in there. You might want
to check it out. What's the best way for people
to find this? Ben If you go to the Reddit

(30:20):
Bureau of Investigation, which is RBI, yes, which was great.
I recommend those folks awesome subreddit if you go there,
or you can just search in your net for Lake
City Quiet Pills and then assassination. Yeah. Throw in Reddit
if you want as a keyword, and I'll take you
right there. You might have to do some digging within
these these posts, but all this stuff exists out there

(30:41):
for you to kind of sink your teeth into and
dig deeper. And there's a thread I found where someone
was really starting to try to get serious about digging
in and finding some identities to associate with these folks.
And one of the responses is from a poster with
the handle Jason Lee with j A sn n LEA,

(31:01):
and the response is quote, if you are serious about this,
be careful. As others have mentioned before, the whole thing
could be a hoax. But I don't believe this is
a fifteen year hoax for funsies. The point being be cautious.
These people don't seem to f around use throwaway accounts
and secure VPNs, and then give some suggestions for good

(31:25):
VPNs to use. So yeah, I wouldn't want anybody sling
in Lake City quiet pills to roam around my house
or you know, around our office. That would be a
little creepy. And also also we want to say that
this has been investigated or dug into by many people,
including the Thinking Sideways podcast that Noel's mentioned, including numerous

(31:50):
redditors who did some great sleuthing. And you have to
wonder if there is a group of people who are
listening to shows like this, reading forums like the ones
we checked out for this episode. If you are there,
if you are listening, feel free to write to us. Yeah, no,

(32:18):
that that'd be great. You're giving me a trepidacious look. No, No,
I am interested in this line of work and it's
tough for me. You think I've a changing career. No, No,
although you would have, you'd have to tell us that
you weren't considering it though. Yeah, I can never go
back there. So I have a hard time arguing with

(32:40):
that logic that Religion of Peace states in that one
that one little post he made that there are messed
up people in this world and sometimes the you know,
law can't reach them. The long arm of the law
isn't long enough, and sometimes they have to go. And
you know, that's a tough thing to wrap your head around.

(33:02):
It's a tough thing for me to even stomach a
little bit. But I feel like he might be right.
There might be a necessity for some kind of extra
judicial killing. I think is absolutely right. I mean, whether
or not it's philosophically right, the fact of the matter
is that this does occur. You know, we live in
an era and a time when we have to ask

(33:26):
ourselves an honest question of this species. Right. Are there
really more skeletons in the closets of the of you know,
the various nation states or is it just easier to
see into those closets. I don't think the number of
skeletons has necessarily changed. I think it's just easier for
people to learn about things like extraordinary rendition or black sites,

(33:50):
or assassinations carried out by other intelligence agencies. If you
get into the murky world of real politic. This is
how the sausage is made, which is the first time
I've ever used that figure of speech. Well, you folks
out there, you want to send us some of your sausage?

(34:10):
Oh weird? Do you make sausage at your house? Like
I would genuinely be interested in trying yourself. I'm just
trying to diffuse the diffuse the situation. Ramsey gave me, thankfully,
a really awesome jar of Chipotle mustard that exists in
our refrigerator right now, and it would go really well

(34:31):
with any kind of you know, Polish sausage. If you
want to tell us how your sausage is made, you
can send us stuff. We have various ways you can
do that. But before we list off those ways robotically,
why don't we do a little shout out corner. Our
first shout out today comes from Morgan and I'm a

(34:54):
massive fan of this femail. It starts off, Hey guys,
agent liquid Cupcake checking in. I think who's referring to
the end of the episode on the Counterculture where we
said we would give people nicknames, operative names. Choose your
own nickname, secret issy name. This is great. Just wanted
to drop an angle on you that wasn't particularly covered

(35:16):
in the counter Culture episode you just released. Let me
start by saying, first off, that I am not some
sort of nitrogen based extra planner life form that lives
outside of time as it is understood in the set
of dimensions, and because of that, I was certainly not
the same age I am now, nor was I even
alive during the nineteen sixties on Earth. Thank you for that.

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Before the rise of the counterculture, most people in the
US had a much more right leaning, independent and small
government mindset that made it hard for things like ARPA
and domestic spying to exist. The rise of left wing
politics and social programs as a result, created a normalization
of government intervention and everyday lives of citizens in the US. This,
coupled with the constant security threat of proxy war with

(36:01):
the great enemy of the time, Russia, led to the
idea that defense spending and government secrecy was not only tolerable,
but essential to daily life. This led eventually to the
current state of affairs in which the CIA has near
total access to what amounts to voluntary provided social modeling
and behavioral data. Just a reminder, time travel is not

(36:21):
real and I do not live forever. Have a good day,
of which there are a finite number for every person
myself included well done, Liquid Cupcake, thank you for writing
to us. I really enjoyed that one too. And that
is an interesting angle when we go into the ramifications
or consequences of such a paradigm shift. You know, like

(36:44):
if we had described the kind of surveillance that exists
now to our grandparents' generation or something, it would sound insane,
sound dystopian. Dude, you guys, I watched All the President's
Men last night. You remember this movie, Robert Redford. It's

(37:04):
all all about Watergate. Yeah, yeah, yeah, And one of
the main things is that surveillance, and they start to
realize that, wait, they're surveilling all of us. I mean,
this is a country where several very powerful government agencies
existed off the books for years, you know, and this,

(37:26):
of course this leads us to think, like, what else
could be out there that we don't know about, you know. Yeah,
but especially at a time when it was completely not
thought that that could happen, that perhaps an executive branch
could work directly with an intelligence agency and collect data
on as many people as possible. The next one comes

(37:47):
from Bonnie. She says, I'm a longtime listener. I love
the show Bonnie, you're the best. She didn't write that
you put that part in. That's so true. Your showing
others of how stuff works helped me through my many
law boring workdays. Oh man, you guys know how those are. Okay.
So I was listening to your recent Nazi Bell episode
when you referenced the Kexsburg incident. However, you said Kexsburg, Kentucky.

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But it's actually Kecksburg, Pennsylvania. Oh oops, that's our bad.
I'm originally from western Pennsylvania, not far from Kecksburg, and
we would often call this backwoods part of the state
Pennsylentucky because of its similarity to Kentucky. As a matter
of fact, this part of the state has even stood
in for Kentucky. I'm assuming in film or in media

(38:32):
in some way the show Justified. Yes, here we go
answering my question. The show Justified was supposed to take
place in Kentucky, but some of the scenes were actually
filmed not far from Kecksburg, so your error was rather amusing.
Bonnie also gave us some really fun information about reactor,
a nuclear reactor, and all kinds of good stuff in

(38:53):
her email, But we're not gonna read the whole thing.
We're just gonna thank you Bonnie for writing to us
and for correcting us. Yes, this is this is the
most important part of the show. Thank you for keeping
us honest, Bunnie, and also teaching us a little bit
about Pencil Tucky, which I haven't I haven't visited yet,
but I'm looking forward to traveling. Let's make our last

(39:16):
shout out here very very short and sweet one. Keith G.
You wrote in briefly and you said, Hi, guys, love
the show. I'm a longtime listener from Gloucester, England. Can
you please do me a shout out? Thank you for
the cool podcast. Cheers Keith. Keith, you get straight to
the point, is it, chief? Keith? Is it k I

(39:37):
E F It's k e e f mm Okay, So
so shout out to you, Keith. And this concludes our
as well as our episode, but not the show itself.
Have no fear. We will be back, unless, of course,

(39:57):
we take a dose of Lake City quiet pill. Hey stop.
You can hear from us on Friday. In the meantime,
you can find us on Instagram, you can find us
on Facebook, We're on Twitter. We're doing all sorts of stuff.
You can check out every episode that Noel, Matt and
I have ever done on our website Deep Breath stuff
they don't want you to know dot Com. And we

(40:19):
have a few announcements actually just as we sew this up.
So we have been gone from the world of YouTube
for a while, you guys. Yes, we've been doing some
different things. Yes, it's been too long. We shouldn't have
left you without a dope beat this step two. But
we have been working behind the scenes Noel, Matt and

(40:41):
I very closely on a new video that is out now.
It is live. You can watch it for free on Amazon,
and we'll be posting this everywhere. You may recall we
did an audio episode about the Georgia guidestones. This is
a more in depth exploration that from the video angle,
and we have Matt as our behind the camera sorcerer,

(41:06):
and we have Noel giving an exclusive interview with stuff
about the guidestones that you're not gonna hear anywhere else.
It's not really exclusive. I here all the time. You
got that. You can ask me anything. So if you
were a fan of that episode, this is really going
to flesh out a lot of what we talked about
a lot of what Noel said his story in relation

(41:26):
to the guidestones and to Wyatt se Martin and is
narrated by Ben. So you have those dulcet tones coming through,
riding all the way to the end. I love it.
It makes me happy having you in there. And then
Noel comes in gives his interviews, then we get back
to Ben. I feel like sometimes you get a little
puppet mastery. Well wait oh, when I'm behind, when I'm editing,

(41:49):
I just you know, you call this marionettes that one
time to my little playthings that I make move around
on the TV. No puppet. Okay, you're popping. Just a
few more things about this video that exists, all right,
So it's on Amazon. You can watch it for free
if you have Prime. You can also watch it with commercials.

(42:12):
If you don't have Prime, and it's on Amazon dot
com slash. I think you just search in there for
a video or Amazon Prime video and you can click
on it and watch it there. If you enjoyed the
audio podcast, you're gonna love this video because it really
shows you the story that we discussed on air. So
take the time watch it. It's about twenty minutes long.
It's good. Yeah, and that you're a perfectionist. So if

(42:35):
you're saying it's good, then it's really really worth the time.
If you're feeling charitable or generous, feel free to leave
us a review. And our very last thing, you guys,
Our show is sold out. Yeah, the New York show
on April eighth. You can't come anymore unless you already
have a ticket. That's mean, Matt. You could probably still

(42:57):
get scalp our tickets outside or check out stub Hub
or something, you know how those things go. Yeah, you
guys know, I like to sell I like to scalp
tickets on the side. Don't pay fifty dollars to see us.
I will only accept ben bucks actually, but uh never
fear if you want to. If you want to go
to the show and you haven't been able to get in,
but you're in New York, right to us because we

(43:17):
are probably gonna put together some kind of like hangout
thing if you want to go grab a beverage with us.
We also have a few surprises in store for the
for the Big Apple, so stay tuned on that. And
in the meantime, if you have suggestions for an upcoming topic,
if you have cracked the code of the Lake City

(43:39):
Quiet Pills. If you are indeed Dutch Milo Return from
the Dead, or if you know them pretty Dutch Yeah yeah,
Angel two six maybe yeah. Write to us, let us
know what you think. We are conspiracy at houstuffworks dot
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