December 16, 2016 • 39 mins
For centuries various groups claimed they'd discovered the remnants of Noah's Ark, the legendary wooden ship of Biblical fame. Despite controversy, skepticism and numerous dead ends, the search continues into the present day. And, what's more, several Ark hunters believe there's a conspiracy afoot -- the secular world knows the Ark is real, they argue, but work to suppress the truth. Why?
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is
riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or
learn the stuff they don't want you to know. Hello,
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welcome back to the show. My name is Matt, my
name is Knowl, and I'm Ben. Your view that makes
this stuff they don't want you to know. As we
get closer and closer to the end of this calendar year,
we're looking back into the past, way way way back
into the past. I have a question of you, Matt Old.
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Did you guys ever go to Sunday School growing up?
I did? And Bible Camp and Bible Camp. Here what
happens at Bible camp? You just been a play Bible games,
sing Bible songs, watch Bible programs. Did uh? Did you
guys ever spend any time in Sunday School or Bible Camp? Uh?
Looking at the story of Noah, absolutely so it's gonna
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be familiar to almost everybody listening. I would be a
little surprised if this was a spoiler for anyone, but
we have learned to be careful of spoilers, right, so
most people know the gist of the Noah story. There's
a man named Noah who receives messages from God, and
God tells him to build a massive wooden boat, which
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we call an arc. Uh. And this is to ensure
the safety of his family and all of the animals
in the world during a massive flood that sweeps across
the planet. Yes, and nobody believed him that this was
gonna happen when he was trying to warn people. And
as he's building this thing, and he looks like crazy
person out in his yard somewhere building a boat. And
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here is a spoiler alert. Seriously, if you haven't seen
the movie Noah, featuring Russell playing the titular character, it
features giant rock monsters that tell Noah what to do.
They're referred to as the Watchers often and they are
worthy of a podcast all on their own. Uh. And
that is a film by Aronofsky taking taking a little
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bit of uh. Let's say, you know, the writers on
that used a lot of old pre Christian Jewish sources
as well, which is why for many evangelical people in
the crowd it uh. It had some unfamiliar elements. Of course,
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two Knowl's point, Uh. I don't believe anywhere in any
of the Holy Text does does it ever say that
these watchers are you know, rock monsters, but they look cool.
It's like those old Ray Harry Housen uh stop motion
animations from like Sinbad and things like that. That's what
reminds me of. But anyway, moving on. Uh. Yes. According
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to the Book of Genesis, God gave Noah these instructions
for building the arc, but didn't really do anything to
back the guy up in his community, didn't really tell
anybody else, just told the one guy built a boat. Uh.
Seven days before the flood begins, God tells Noah to
enter this art with his household and again all the
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animals in the world too. By two right. Spoiler alert,
It worked, you guys. According to the story, Noah, his household,
and all of the animals were spared. They they survived
as the ark was a float for a hundred and
fifty days before coming to rest on the mountains of
air Act. Yes, and we know some of the specifics
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from the story of you know, sending out birds to
uh search for dry land. The story is repeated with
variations in the Koran, where the arc appears as Safina Uh.
The Jenna Cysts flood story Let's call the flood narrative.
Here's the thing about it. It is similar to many, many,
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many other flood nous from a variety of cultures. The
earliest known written example is the Sumerian version, uh, found
in the epic of Zia Sudra. And people have been
searching for this arc for centuries and centuries and centuries
and uh. You know, there have been various claims that
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have been made that pieces of an arc have been found.
You may have seen stories before online. Um, but people
have been searching this for this arc since what to
seventy c. Yeah, at least since the time of Eusebius
up to the present day. Here are the facts. We'll
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do some bubble busting first. There is no scientific evidence
for a global flood as described in in this literature.
And we are not, of course disclaimer, we are not
in any way denigrating a person's religion or anybody's faith.
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We're we're looking at, you know, the way this story
is told and what the evidence scientists can find now
tells us about the veracity there. So right now, there's
no scientific evidence for a global flood of this proportion,
and despite many, many expeditions, no universally agreed on evidence
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of the arc has been found for well over centuries.
Scholars have recognized that the the story here is based
on these older stories, these Mesopotamia models and stuff. Because, UH,
one thing we notice when we do any kind of
comparative literature, when we start to trace the DNA, if
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you will, of a story, is that many, many stories
are new were versions of earlier myths. Uh. There's a
great series of books by a fellow named Joseph Campbell
that you can read for more information on this, I
would recommend uh Hero with a Thousand Faces, which looks
at everything from the It sets forth the rules of
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stories in the way that humans right and experienced stories,
everything from the Epic of Gilgamesh, one of the earliest
known works of literature, to um. I don't know lethal
weapon lethal, I guess it would work. I got it
my favorite lethal weapon three. I just think, you know,
Joe Pesci finally took on a much larger role in
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that particular film. I feel like it's highly underwritten. Without
having talked to him. In my head, I can imagine
Joe Pesci saying that is the role he was born
to play. It's true, you know, if you've seen the
Zeitgeist films. That book in particular, was highly influential on
how they looked at some of the religion aspects of Zeitgeist.
So because all of these flood stories in this in
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this Zeitgeist, if you will, deal with events that allegedly
happened at the dawn of history, they give us the
impression that the myths themselves must be very, very old.
And that's kind of weird because we can sort of
roughly trace back where this myth of a global flood began,
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and we can also find a little bit of evidence
that might surprise some folks. Uh, here's let's let the
badger out of the bag. Uh. The myth of the
global flood that destroys almost all life begins to appear
what's known as the Old Babylonian period, that would be
the twenty to sixteenth centuries b c e. And I
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know what a lot of people are thinking, you guys, like,
that's a four hundred year margin. Yeah, that's that's Uh,
that's the closest that history can get. And there are
different versions of this Mesopotamian f story. Now they're nine
different known versions. Each is more or less adapted from
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the previous version. In the oldest version, the hero is
King Zia Sudra, and this version was inscribed about six
hundred b c. E. In the Sumerian city of Nippur.
It's known as the Sumerian flood story and probably derives
from some earlier version from that happened before that one
um and the Zia Sudra version tells how he builds
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this boat and rescues all different forms of life when
the gods just just decide to destroy the whole thing,
and it's this would be multiple gods, this would be
a pantheon of gods at this point, but the basics
are the same, you know. There there are other stories
that descend from this and now in our present day
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and age. The most popular one, or most well known one,
is the story of Noah. The version closest to the
present day version, the old this version, it's probably the closest,
is that in the Epic of Gilgamesh, the character Pishtam,
who does the same thing, builds a boat, saves the world.
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Flood myths occur in cultures across this planet, across time.
We're not just talking about the Middle East. We're talking
about not just Mesotamia, Mesopotamia, but India, Greece, Norse mythology,
the key j and Maya people in Mesoamerica, uh different
Native American tribes and both North and South America. People
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have been searching for this legendary art ever since. But
here's the thing. Some people believe that they have already
found it. Whoa and we will talk about them and
more when we return from a quick break. Here's where
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it gets crazy. In two th seven and two thousand
and eight, a team of evangelical Christians claimed to have
discovered the remains of Noah's Ark on the peak of
Mount Era Rat in modern day Armenia, and specifically they
believe they found well, what they actually found was seven
large compartments that were buried about thirteen thousand feet four
thousand meters above sea level um. They then returned to
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the site with a film crew in October of two
thousand and nine. The team says that radio carbon dated
wood taken from the site, whose location they're keeping under
wraps for the time being, show yeah that the purported
arc is about forty eight hundred years old, which checks
out it's about right roughly the same time period as
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Noah's flood that's implied in the Bible. So let's do
some pros and cons. Sounds good. First, the pros, It's
completely possible that they found something up there. It's even possible,
if not plausible, that this is some sort of ship
what on top of a mountain. Stranger things have happened,
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my friend. The team themselves say that they are nine
nine point nine percent sure that this is the indeed
the remnant of the biblical arc. UH. This the name
of the outfit that went to search for this was
Noah's Arc Ministries International. It's fairly specific and it doesn't
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do the best for impartiality, but it is a It
does show us that they wanted to find this thing
for sure. So I've got a quote here from the
filmmaker who accompanied the explorers of fellow named Uh Young
wig Chung, who said, it's not that it is Noah's Ark,
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but we think it is nine percent. Oh yeah, Well
they got a margin of error there. Uh. So let's
let's talk about some of the cons there. There are
quite a few cons. First, the existence of arc itself.
While there are very specific measurements in the UH in
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the canonical text, UH existence of an ARC doing the
kind of stuff that it's described as doing is wildly implausible.
So the big sticking point for people whould interpret this
literally is the idea of the animals. Human beings still
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have no idea exactly how many species of animals exist
when you count insects, right, It's true, multiple species of
insects are dying every year before humans even know what
they are. And there's no man made structure capable of
holding all the animals in one place if there was
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more than two for suitable breeding population for most animals,
especially manimals. Even if you broke it down into this,
this sounds crazy when you think about it, but I'm
just thinking of earlier versions of this where there's an
ARC that has all of the DNA stored of every
you know, living species that is known just in tubes
somewhere on the ship. It would still be impossible. That's
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you know, that's a really good point, and think about that.
We are kind of building arcs. Our species is now
with the doomsday vault in uh Scandinavia that holds hold seats, right.
Can you guys think of any analogs and science fiction films.
It feels like they're that is just ripe for it,
like a kind of a space Noah's Ark, you know,
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going out into the universe trying to re establish civilization,
where like you know, samples of all kinds of different
pieces of DNA. There was some of that in Um Interstellar.
Actually no spoilers there, well a little bit, but watch
there's there's a whole thing about like kind of like
starting a new civilization and it has that feel of
kind of like a Noah's Ark vibe, which I think
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it's cool. That's that's a really good point because we
are still you know, we forget sometimes that mythology is
not this old dead thing. Mythology is alive, and we
are participating in it every time we tell the stories.
So well, hence the repeated flood stories. I mean, it's
a narrative that makes sense in terms of fearing some
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sort of intense natural disaster that also has sort of
like a cleansing quality where there's always like a need
for a reset kind of society. Civilization has devolved in
some way, and and and it's a very interesting literary device,
I will say. And you get a rainbow at the end,
like a mint, like an Andy's mint after after dinner
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on your pillow, yeah, or on your pillow. So yeah,
there are a couple of There are many science fiction
films actually that do have some sort of arc like thing,
because it's one of the best guesses people have about
how to take the human species through space and time. Uh,
you know, we can't most of the places that we
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want to go, we can't reach in one person's lifetime.
So we'd have to have a self sustaining thing, you know,
take the mountain to Mohammed sort of idea. One one
example would be Pandorum, which is a film that I
don't think it's enough credit, which I thought the one
about like space madness. Is there some space madness in
all then there's some space bandness. Yeah, I'm a fan
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of space madness because they're out there in the in
the ink for a while, in deep space. But with
deep space, you know, allegorically here replacing the ocean. Uh.
If we look back at the earlier search, right, the
idea that the idea that yes, there was some sort
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of h large wooden boat that survived a flood, that
idea is not implausible. The the the idea that it
holds all the animals is a little bit fanciful. Um.
But the other thing is that this Mount error At
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belief is very specific, and it's been a while around
for a while. According to Jack Sasson Uh, professor of
Jewish and Biblical studies of Vanderbilt University out in Tennessee,
the whole belief amount er At as the resting place
of the art comes from a kind of loose interpretation
of biblical description, because the Bible mentions a place called
Aura to an ancient kingdom in modern day eastern Turkey.
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And so people have decided or discovered or come come
to the conclusion somehow that mounts error At is the
is the resting place. It kind of made it fit
the narrative now. Paul Zamanski Uh, an archaeologist who specializes
in the Middle East at stony Brook University in New York,
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notes Uh says something that I think a lot of
people find interesting. It's a little snarky. I don't know
of any expedition that ever went looking for the Yak
and didn't find it. And he adds that nobody associated
that mountain with the ok until the tenth century BC. Furthermore,
there's no geological evidence for a mass flood and Turkey
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Round four thousand years ago. I don't know if that's
how he sounds. I like this, Paulsky guy. I I
hope that's how he sounds, but I don't I don't
think he sounds that way. Sorry, Paul, no offense. So
as you can imagine, the group who claimed to discover
the arc in the early two thousand's believes they were
discriminated against due to their religious beliefs, that there is
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a conspiracy a foot, well, sure I can I can
see that if you truly believe you found the ark.
I mean, I've seen those Dan Brown movies and read
the books. It reminds me of Indiana Jones too. Sure,
I am always I'm always a sucker for an adventurous
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as archaeological exploration. And we do know that a lot
of things that were believed to be mythological or fictional
are proven eventually to be real things. Not all the time,
but oftentimes. One great example that we are fond of
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bringing up on this show is the city of Troy.
That's right, listeners, depending on your age um, in previous generations,
very close to recent history, people thought Troy was just ah,
a pretty story for the Rubes, and anyone who claimed
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to believe that Troy was real was either lying to
you to swindle you, or was dumb enough to be
swindled themselves. And then boom turns out ye yep, good job,
human beings. We lost an entire city for centuries and
we've and we've done the same. We still have many
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lost cities, uh in underwater now, or like pyramids that
are essentially hidden into the structure of a mountain right right,
or things that have been eaten by the jungle in
South America, which is still possibly which you can still
find via lidar. But as we have mentioned in our
podcast on law civilizations, some of those governments have reasons
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to not show them. I'm not talking about some huge
apocalyptic conspiracy. I'm saying that if the United Nations rules
them as historically significant locations, then the government is on
the hook for protecting them and paying for their maintenance.
So unfortunately, that's that's a real thing, because a real conspiracy.
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It is. It is, but it seems so not petty,
just like not that big of a deal. I guess
it can get quite expensive to protect a large site
in that way, and it would be enough to been
a government from wanting to have it on the books.
I guess sure, especially if you're cash strapped and corrupt.
Cash strapped or corrupt, those are two particular, particularly interesting
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flavors of government. They go great together. Peasing carrots. You
have examples of it. Are not those of governments that
are not either of those categories. Well, it's as I'm saying,
it's all gradations of of cast strappedness and corrupt. I
hear Singapore's uh, pretty uncorrupted. However, they are also very authoritarian.
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That's that's that's one. That's another end of the continuum there,
you know. Yeah, either authoritarian, corrupt, or cash strapped. It's
like that old thing about oh what's We repeat this
a lot when we're talking about video and film off
air U. You can have something fast, good, or cheap.
You can only have two of those three. Yeah, choose
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because you're gonna miss one. But the idea here that
there would be an archaeological conspiracy is not from from
the people who believe in it. It's not that far
fetched because we know that there has been suppression of
the past before in multiple instances of dominant cultures seek
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to erase the record or the history of the people
who came before or the culture that they that had
been supplanted. And this is not ancient history. This is
happening now around the world. Places with different places are
getting their names changed to match the language of the
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dominant culture or the would be dominant culture. Um our own,
our own country has a vast and disturbing history of
seeking to eradicate uh native people's right. And so for
people who believe that there is a biblical art, for
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people literally interpret this um as you know, the word
of God not an allegory, then it would be it
would be completely within the realm of possibility for a
dominant government to suppress the evidence of this. An author
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named Carl Bright believes the ARC is not only real,
but hidden from the mainstream actively, and he wrote a
book called Quest for Discovery, One Man's Epic Search for
Noah's Ark. He argues that world governments are suppressing the
location of the ARC because they don't want to um. Well,
here we have a quote. I firmly believe that the
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governments of Turkey, Russia, and the United States know exactly
where the ARC sits. They suppress the information, but God
is in charge. The structure will be revealed in its time.
We climb the mountain in search, hoping it is in
fact God's time. As we climb, use are so Lord
is our prayer. So as you can see this. Uh.
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This author also has clearly a an established belief system here,
and it's always tricky when we explore the nature of belief,
being such a fundamentally subjective and private thing. So we
would love to hear from you, ladies, gentlemen, others shadows,
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anyone who happens to be a massive spiders wearing a
bag of flesh. We won't tell your secret, but we
do want to know what you think about the story
of Noah's art. It's generally considered by academia to be
uh what is called the pseudoscience, which I know is
rough for a lot of people to hear. But we
also have to acknowledge that people who are professional biblical
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scholars and Christians themselves often note that they believe the
story of Noah's art function as an allegory for as
an old set a cleansing of sorts, rather than a
physical flood. But but we have more for you because
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we have found a little bit of a little bit
of forensic, archaeological or geological evidence that might support a
seed of truth from which the flood myth began. And
we'll get to it after a word from our responsive
war and we're bat Okay, here's the thing. So originally,
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when we first started exploring this idea, we thought, well,
you know, nobody could build a boat now to hold
sufficient breeding population of all the animals in the world.
Just we can't. We we can't do it. It's not
that we can't build something big enough. I'm sure if
all everybody worked together we could. We just does it
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imply that there was some kind of clown car logic
going on that God sort of like helped out and
gave the ability to fit more stuff. It's like bigger
on the inside like the tartists, you know. I mean,
do you think there was maybe a little bit of
intervention perhaps, right, a little bit of divine interventions? The
story sure has a lot of magical thinking involved. I mean,
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you can't get away from the fact that, like you're saying,
if we can't do this today with all the machinery
and equipment we have, you know, how could it have
been done without some sort of you know, intervention from
a higher power or is it just meant to be
kind of an allegory, right, And and there's also the question,
you know, uh, what sorts of animals were around at
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the time, because we will also hear other Biblical scholars
who say, well, there were just fewer species of animals, which,
believing what I do about the nature of adaptation, I
find difficult. I've heard several different things in from Bible
study over the years, but one was that it was
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just animals from the immediate area. And in this, in
this version of like an interpretation, the flood itself wasn't
perhaps a global flood that was survived. That's one one
version that I've heard. Another one was that, um, it
was never like the magical thinking of you know, changing
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the interior of a boat to make it abble to
fit everything in um. The third one is more allegorical,
and this is from a Bible class and it's just
a way to use the wisdom that's found in this
story of when you see something bad happening, prepare and
you know, save that which is around you as well. Yeah,
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that's you know, this is the thing. These different versions.
These different interpretations are all evidence of the unavoidable thing
that occurs when we look in the distant past. History
is a game of telephone with the actions and the
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beliefs of the dead. And you know, people might dress
it up, uh and and talk about the great inspiring
moments of history, and of course those do exist. But
what I'm saying is that we tend to add, to
take away from, um modify and re contextualize the stories
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of the past. And since most of the people from
the past, statistically speaking, are dead or haven't contacted us, uh,
there's no one to say, hey, that's not how it
actually happened. There's no one around to say, well, we
took the animals on the farm. We took all the
animals on our farm to escape a regional flood or
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something like that. Here's something interesting. There's a thing called
the Black Sea deluge hypothesis. So around fifty b c E.
According to this hypothesis, there was a catastrophic rise in
the level of the Black Sea and waters from the
Mediterranean Sea breached a sill in the Bosphorus straight So
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this was published in or The New York Times mentioned
it right before it was in an academic journal. And
here's here's the weird thing. People agree that the events
described in this hypothesis happened. They're only debating the details.
How suddenly did it happen? When exactly did it happen?
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How bad was the flooding? But in the side of
the authors of this are two guys named William Ryan
and walt Or Pittman. So before glacial melt water had
turned the Black and Caspian Seas into these huge freshwater
lakes draining into the A g and Sea. As the
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glaciers retreated, some of the rivers emptying into the sea
UH declined and then lower decline and volume, and they
ended up changing course to hit the North Sea. The
levels of lakes dropped through evaporation. Overall, sea level began
to rise due to worldwide oceanic changes, and finally the
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rising Mediterraneans spilled over at the Bosphorus UH and flooded
sixty thousand square miles of land, and it expanded the
Black seashoreline to the north and west. So this would
this would be the um for their hypothesis. They would
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say for at least three hundred days UH UH ten
cubic miles of water poured through and that's two hundred
times the average flow of Niagara falls for three d days. Yeah,
the days don't match up, but obviously depending on how
quickly this happened. It's like that old that oldie song,
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nowhere to run to, nowhere to hide. I took out
the baby so it sounded more serious. Did that work? Yeah? No,
I think it did, especially if you think about the
modes of transportation that were available at the time. If
this kind of water is just flooding through a most
people are foot, yeah, most people are on foot. An
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animal would be a significant investment there. So critics of
this usually focus on how much water was going through
or how rapidly it came through, right, that's time and
the degree. However, um, if this happened at a certain
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you know, past this rapidity, then yeah, it would seem
like the world was flooding, right. Uh. This This idea
remains somewhat controversial. There there are other instances that are
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almost have floated. There are other instances that are proposed
as the real life origin of the global flood myth.
But it's kind of weird when you think about it.
Isn't it that all these cultures, many of which are unrelated,
have some sort of flood myth. Like I I accept,
of course the idea that from Babylonians, uh Samarian and
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Mesopotamian culture, a lot of later European or Christian flood
myths could originate, um and even maybe contact with India.
But what about what about people in North and South America?
Why they kick j Maya have a flood myth? This
ties into a lot of things that people argue as
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evidence of lost civilizations, like Limeria or Atlantis. They say, well,
it was this great civilization, incredibly advanced. They because of
some catastrophe or angering the gods or some sort of
forbidden technology, even nuclear power, they destroyed themselves and then
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in in the process founded all these other cultures after
they flooded the world. That's that's something I don't know,
we've we've talked about that before this initial we have,
and I think that is one of the more fascinating
things to think about. That's a great concept to imagine.
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If you go to the Georgian Aquarium. I did that.
I did that last time. I went with my son,
and I just you know that the large way the tunnel. Yeah,
you just walked through that, and I was just imagining
being in Atlantean and at land. I don't know what
is that from one from Atlantis Atlantean Atlantean see person
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person and just floating through that thing. Yeah, And I
imagine our culture right now, in our society and what
tales will be told about it several thousand years from now.
How this kingdom existed in this continent and they developed
these weapons and then flooded the world. Oh, here's a
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here's a game for everyone in the audience. You might
enjoy this. I enjoy this. It's it's a little bit dark.
Next time you're around really densely populated area in terms
of structures, like you're going through a city, imagine what
future historians and archaeologists will will. I think these things were, um,
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thousands and thousands of years in the future. Maybe human,
maybe alien, Because what always gets me when I see
big interstate interchanges is I can easily imagine some smug
jerk again human alien, thousand and some thousand years in
the future, going Uh. Their aqueduct system was quite advanced
with the highways for biological entities, spaghetti junctions, Yeah, that's
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that would be the idea. And then skyscrapers, how are
you going to explain those? Those are kind of phallic.
There's gonna be what monuments to whatever weird god they
imagine we worshiped. Other excavations have revealed evidence of localized flooding.
So in the modern day Telfara a rock there are
there's evidence of flooding. There's evidence of localized flooding in
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er Kish Rook, Lagash Niniva, and we see that more
and more. The answer to the flood myth is maybe
not one single flood taking over the planet as much
as it is a series of catastrophic, horrific regional floods
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that a cur in a in a time when most
people lived and died within, you know, easily within twenty
miles of where they were born. So our our answer
here is still it's still up for debate. Is it
is it possible that someone saved all of the animals
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in the world in a single boat? Literally It's highly implausible, right, right,
But the more we learn about the history of flooding,
right and even controversial things like this black seed deluge hypothesis,
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the more we have to ask ourselves is this story
is some some part of this story based in truth?
Did someone actually survive a regional flood I save a
whole bunch of animals by building a boat in time? Yeah,
what do you guys think? I think that's highly plausible
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that there was a much smaller scale, non global flood
threat that one person was either knew about through you know,
some kind of higher means, or maybe he just kind
of had some abilities to look for those signs, you know,
maybe there were some clues and the environment changing in
the weather, and there was just one guy that was like, Hey,
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here's an idea. Let's go ahead and do a little
doomsday prepping right now and build ourselves a big old
boat and take all the animals we have on the farm.
Maybe on a large enough scale that it impressed people
to such a degree that the story, like a game
with telephone, gradually morphed a little bit of that boat
got bigger and bigger, and it went from being just
about this area to being about the entire planet. You know.
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I mean, But if Noah and the people on the
boat and the animals on the boat were the only
ones who survived in the area, who told the story
was it Noah, because I can imagine Noah melishing a
little bit. It was Babe the Pig who got to
start on Noah's ark before going to Hollywood. Uh we
are going to end this today. Of course, we want
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to hear from you if you have if you have
a take on the Arc, if you have a take
on the evolution of mythology, or if there's stuff you
heard um in your own research that lends lends a
different perspective to this. Uh we we would love to
hear about it. You can find us on Facebook and Twitter.
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But before you do, if you're on the Internet, I
want to leave you with some interesting news. As of July.
If you would like to see a full scale replica
of the Arc built according to the Biblical specifications, you
have but to travel to Kentucky, Yes, where a group
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of people have built a full scale replica of no
Us arct longt why fifty one ft high. Um. This
is part of a theme park, Biblically oriented theme park,
so we'd love to If you live around Kentucky and
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want to send us some pictures, we'd also love to
check those out. I want to see inside you know
what I mean. Oh, and there's a Christmas special going
on right now. I think it's half price admission. Oh man,
all right, well I've got to get on the road then. Uh.
If you want to learn more about the about some
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From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is
riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or
learn the stuff they don't want you to know. Hello,
(00:23):
welcome back to the show. My name is Matt, my
name is Knowl, and I'm Ben. Your view that makes
this stuff they don't want you to know. As we
get closer and closer to the end of this calendar year,
we're looking back into the past, way way way back
into the past. I have a question of you, Matt Old.
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Did you guys ever go to Sunday School growing up?
I did? And Bible Camp and Bible Camp. Here what
happens at Bible camp? You just been a play Bible games,
sing Bible songs, watch Bible programs. Did uh? Did you
guys ever spend any time in Sunday School or Bible Camp? Uh?
Looking at the story of Noah, absolutely so it's gonna
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be familiar to almost everybody listening. I would be a
little surprised if this was a spoiler for anyone, but
we have learned to be careful of spoilers, right, so
most people know the gist of the Noah story. There's
a man named Noah who receives messages from God, and
God tells him to build a massive wooden boat, which
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we call an arc. Uh. And this is to ensure
the safety of his family and all of the animals
in the world during a massive flood that sweeps across
the planet. Yes, and nobody believed him that this was
gonna happen when he was trying to warn people. And
as he's building this thing, and he looks like crazy
person out in his yard somewhere building a boat. And
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here is a spoiler alert. Seriously, if you haven't seen
the movie Noah, featuring Russell playing the titular character, it
features giant rock monsters that tell Noah what to do.
They're referred to as the Watchers often and they are
worthy of a podcast all on their own. Uh. And
that is a film by Aronofsky taking taking a little
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bit of uh. Let's say, you know, the writers on
that used a lot of old pre Christian Jewish sources
as well, which is why for many evangelical people in
the crowd it uh. It had some unfamiliar elements. Of course,
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two Knowl's point, Uh. I don't believe anywhere in any
of the Holy Text does does it ever say that
these watchers are you know, rock monsters, but they look cool.
It's like those old Ray Harry Housen uh stop motion
animations from like Sinbad and things like that. That's what
reminds me of. But anyway, moving on. Uh. Yes. According
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to the Book of Genesis, God gave Noah these instructions
for building the arc, but didn't really do anything to
back the guy up in his community, didn't really tell
anybody else, just told the one guy built a boat. Uh.
Seven days before the flood begins, God tells Noah to
enter this art with his household and again all the
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animals in the world too. By two right. Spoiler alert,
It worked, you guys. According to the story, Noah, his household,
and all of the animals were spared. They they survived
as the ark was a float for a hundred and
fifty days before coming to rest on the mountains of
air Act. Yes, and we know some of the specifics
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from the story of you know, sending out birds to
uh search for dry land. The story is repeated with
variations in the Koran, where the arc appears as Safina Uh.
The Jenna Cysts flood story Let's call the flood narrative.
Here's the thing about it. It is similar to many, many,
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many other flood nous from a variety of cultures. The
earliest known written example is the Sumerian version, uh, found
in the epic of Zia Sudra. And people have been
searching for this arc for centuries and centuries and centuries
and uh. You know, there have been various claims that
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have been made that pieces of an arc have been found.
You may have seen stories before online. Um, but people
have been searching this for this arc since what to
seventy c. Yeah, at least since the time of Eusebius
up to the present day. Here are the facts. We'll
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do some bubble busting first. There is no scientific evidence
for a global flood as described in in this literature.
And we are not, of course disclaimer, we are not
in any way denigrating a person's religion or anybody's faith.
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We're we're looking at, you know, the way this story
is told and what the evidence scientists can find now
tells us about the veracity there. So right now, there's
no scientific evidence for a global flood of this proportion,
and despite many, many expeditions, no universally agreed on evidence
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of the arc has been found for well over centuries.
Scholars have recognized that the the story here is based
on these older stories, these Mesopotamia models and stuff. Because, UH,
one thing we notice when we do any kind of
comparative literature, when we start to trace the DNA, if
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you will, of a story, is that many, many stories
are new were versions of earlier myths. Uh. There's a
great series of books by a fellow named Joseph Campbell
that you can read for more information on this, I
would recommend uh Hero with a Thousand Faces, which looks
at everything from the It sets forth the rules of
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stories in the way that humans right and experienced stories,
everything from the Epic of Gilgamesh, one of the earliest
known works of literature, to um. I don't know lethal
weapon lethal, I guess it would work. I got it
my favorite lethal weapon three. I just think, you know,
Joe Pesci finally took on a much larger role in
(06:39):
that particular film. I feel like it's highly underwritten. Without
having talked to him. In my head, I can imagine
Joe Pesci saying that is the role he was born
to play. It's true, you know, if you've seen the
Zeitgeist films. That book in particular, was highly influential on
how they looked at some of the religion aspects of Zeitgeist.
So because all of these flood stories in this in
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this Zeitgeist, if you will, deal with events that allegedly
happened at the dawn of history, they give us the
impression that the myths themselves must be very, very old.
And that's kind of weird because we can sort of
roughly trace back where this myth of a global flood began,
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and we can also find a little bit of evidence
that might surprise some folks. Uh, here's let's let the
badger out of the bag. Uh. The myth of the
global flood that destroys almost all life begins to appear
what's known as the Old Babylonian period, that would be
the twenty to sixteenth centuries b c e. And I
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know what a lot of people are thinking, you guys, like,
that's a four hundred year margin. Yeah, that's that's Uh,
that's the closest that history can get. And there are
different versions of this Mesopotamian f story. Now they're nine
different known versions. Each is more or less adapted from
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the previous version. In the oldest version, the hero is
King Zia Sudra, and this version was inscribed about six
hundred b c. E. In the Sumerian city of Nippur.
It's known as the Sumerian flood story and probably derives
from some earlier version from that happened before that one
um and the Zia Sudra version tells how he builds
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this boat and rescues all different forms of life when
the gods just just decide to destroy the whole thing,
and it's this would be multiple gods, this would be
a pantheon of gods at this point, but the basics
are the same, you know. There there are other stories
that descend from this and now in our present day
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and age. The most popular one, or most well known one,
is the story of Noah. The version closest to the
present day version, the old this version, it's probably the closest,
is that in the Epic of Gilgamesh, the character Pishtam,
who does the same thing, builds a boat, saves the world.
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Flood myths occur in cultures across this planet, across time.
We're not just talking about the Middle East. We're talking
about not just Mesotamia, Mesopotamia, but India, Greece, Norse mythology,
the key j and Maya people in Mesoamerica, uh different
Native American tribes and both North and South America. People
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have been searching for this legendary art ever since. But
here's the thing. Some people believe that they have already
found it. Whoa and we will talk about them and
more when we return from a quick break. Here's where
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it gets crazy. In two th seven and two thousand
and eight, a team of evangelical Christians claimed to have
discovered the remains of Noah's Ark on the peak of
Mount Era Rat in modern day Armenia, and specifically they
believe they found well, what they actually found was seven
large compartments that were buried about thirteen thousand feet four
thousand meters above sea level um. They then returned to
(10:20):
the site with a film crew in October of two
thousand and nine. The team says that radio carbon dated
wood taken from the site, whose location they're keeping under
wraps for the time being, show yeah that the purported
arc is about forty eight hundred years old, which checks
out it's about right roughly the same time period as
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Noah's flood that's implied in the Bible. So let's do
some pros and cons. Sounds good. First, the pros, It's
completely possible that they found something up there. It's even possible,
if not plausible, that this is some sort of ship
what on top of a mountain. Stranger things have happened,
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my friend. The team themselves say that they are nine
nine point nine percent sure that this is the indeed
the remnant of the biblical arc. UH. This the name
of the outfit that went to search for this was
Noah's Arc Ministries International. It's fairly specific and it doesn't
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do the best for impartiality, but it is a It
does show us that they wanted to find this thing
for sure. So I've got a quote here from the
filmmaker who accompanied the explorers of fellow named Uh Young
wig Chung, who said, it's not that it is Noah's Ark,
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but we think it is nine percent. Oh yeah, Well
they got a margin of error there. Uh. So let's
let's talk about some of the cons there. There are
quite a few cons. First, the existence of arc itself.
While there are very specific measurements in the UH in
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the canonical text, UH existence of an ARC doing the
kind of stuff that it's described as doing is wildly implausible.
So the big sticking point for people whould interpret this
literally is the idea of the animals. Human beings still
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have no idea exactly how many species of animals exist
when you count insects, right, It's true, multiple species of
insects are dying every year before humans even know what
they are. And there's no man made structure capable of
holding all the animals in one place if there was
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more than two for suitable breeding population for most animals,
especially manimals. Even if you broke it down into this,
this sounds crazy when you think about it, but I'm
just thinking of earlier versions of this where there's an
ARC that has all of the DNA stored of every
you know, living species that is known just in tubes
somewhere on the ship. It would still be impossible. That's
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you know, that's a really good point, and think about that.
We are kind of building arcs. Our species is now
with the doomsday vault in uh Scandinavia that holds hold seats, right.
Can you guys think of any analogs and science fiction films.
It feels like they're that is just ripe for it,
like a kind of a space Noah's Ark, you know,
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going out into the universe trying to re establish civilization,
where like you know, samples of all kinds of different
pieces of DNA. There was some of that in Um Interstellar.
Actually no spoilers there, well a little bit, but watch
there's there's a whole thing about like kind of like
starting a new civilization and it has that feel of
kind of like a Noah's Ark vibe, which I think
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it's cool. That's that's a really good point because we
are still you know, we forget sometimes that mythology is
not this old dead thing. Mythology is alive, and we
are participating in it every time we tell the stories.
So well, hence the repeated flood stories. I mean, it's
a narrative that makes sense in terms of fearing some
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sort of intense natural disaster that also has sort of
like a cleansing quality where there's always like a need
for a reset kind of society. Civilization has devolved in
some way, and and and it's a very interesting literary device,
I will say. And you get a rainbow at the end,
like a mint, like an Andy's mint after after dinner
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on your pillow, yeah, or on your pillow. So yeah,
there are a couple of There are many science fiction
films actually that do have some sort of arc like thing,
because it's one of the best guesses people have about
how to take the human species through space and time. Uh,
you know, we can't most of the places that we
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want to go, we can't reach in one person's lifetime.
So we'd have to have a self sustaining thing, you know,
take the mountain to Mohammed sort of idea. One one
example would be Pandorum, which is a film that I
don't think it's enough credit, which I thought the one
about like space madness. Is there some space madness in
all then there's some space bandness. Yeah, I'm a fan
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of space madness because they're out there in the in
the ink for a while, in deep space. But with
deep space, you know, allegorically here replacing the ocean. Uh.
If we look back at the earlier search, right, the
idea that the idea that yes, there was some sort
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of h large wooden boat that survived a flood, that
idea is not implausible. The the the idea that it
holds all the animals is a little bit fanciful. Um.
But the other thing is that this Mount error At
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belief is very specific, and it's been a while around
for a while. According to Jack Sasson Uh, professor of
Jewish and Biblical studies of Vanderbilt University out in Tennessee,
the whole belief amount er At as the resting place
of the art comes from a kind of loose interpretation
of biblical description, because the Bible mentions a place called
Aura to an ancient kingdom in modern day eastern Turkey.
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And so people have decided or discovered or come come
to the conclusion somehow that mounts error At is the
is the resting place. It kind of made it fit
the narrative now. Paul Zamanski Uh, an archaeologist who specializes
in the Middle East at stony Brook University in New York,
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notes Uh says something that I think a lot of
people find interesting. It's a little snarky. I don't know
of any expedition that ever went looking for the Yak
and didn't find it. And he adds that nobody associated
that mountain with the ok until the tenth century BC. Furthermore,
there's no geological evidence for a mass flood and Turkey
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Round four thousand years ago. I don't know if that's
how he sounds. I like this, Paulsky guy. I I
hope that's how he sounds, but I don't I don't
think he sounds that way. Sorry, Paul, no offense. So
as you can imagine, the group who claimed to discover
the arc in the early two thousand's believes they were
discriminated against due to their religious beliefs, that there is
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a conspiracy a foot, well, sure I can I can
see that if you truly believe you found the ark.
I mean, I've seen those Dan Brown movies and read
the books. It reminds me of Indiana Jones too. Sure,
I am always I'm always a sucker for an adventurous
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as archaeological exploration. And we do know that a lot
of things that were believed to be mythological or fictional
are proven eventually to be real things. Not all the time,
but oftentimes. One great example that we are fond of
(18:20):
bringing up on this show is the city of Troy.
That's right, listeners, depending on your age um, in previous generations,
very close to recent history, people thought Troy was just ah,
a pretty story for the Rubes, and anyone who claimed
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to believe that Troy was real was either lying to
you to swindle you, or was dumb enough to be
swindled themselves. And then boom turns out ye yep, good job,
human beings. We lost an entire city for centuries and
we've and we've done the same. We still have many
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lost cities, uh in underwater now, or like pyramids that
are essentially hidden into the structure of a mountain right right,
or things that have been eaten by the jungle in
South America, which is still possibly which you can still
find via lidar. But as we have mentioned in our
podcast on law civilizations, some of those governments have reasons
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to not show them. I'm not talking about some huge
apocalyptic conspiracy. I'm saying that if the United Nations rules
them as historically significant locations, then the government is on
the hook for protecting them and paying for their maintenance.
So unfortunately, that's that's a real thing, because a real conspiracy.
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It is. It is, but it seems so not petty,
just like not that big of a deal. I guess
it can get quite expensive to protect a large site
in that way, and it would be enough to been
a government from wanting to have it on the books.
I guess sure, especially if you're cash strapped and corrupt.
Cash strapped or corrupt, those are two particular, particularly interesting
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flavors of government. They go great together. Peasing carrots. You
have examples of it. Are not those of governments that
are not either of those categories. Well, it's as I'm saying,
it's all gradations of of cast strappedness and corrupt. I
hear Singapore's uh, pretty uncorrupted. However, they are also very authoritarian.
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That's that's that's one. That's another end of the continuum there,
you know. Yeah, either authoritarian, corrupt, or cash strapped. It's
like that old thing about oh what's We repeat this
a lot when we're talking about video and film off
air U. You can have something fast, good, or cheap.
You can only have two of those three. Yeah, choose
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because you're gonna miss one. But the idea here that
there would be an archaeological conspiracy is not from from
the people who believe in it. It's not that far
fetched because we know that there has been suppression of
the past before in multiple instances of dominant cultures seek
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to erase the record or the history of the people
who came before or the culture that they that had
been supplanted. And this is not ancient history. This is
happening now around the world. Places with different places are
getting their names changed to match the language of the
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dominant culture or the would be dominant culture. Um our own,
our own country has a vast and disturbing history of
seeking to eradicate uh native people's right. And so for
people who believe that there is a biblical art, for
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people literally interpret this um as you know, the word
of God not an allegory, then it would be it
would be completely within the realm of possibility for a
dominant government to suppress the evidence of this. An author
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named Carl Bright believes the ARC is not only real,
but hidden from the mainstream actively, and he wrote a
book called Quest for Discovery, One Man's Epic Search for
Noah's Ark. He argues that world governments are suppressing the
location of the ARC because they don't want to um. Well,
here we have a quote. I firmly believe that the
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governments of Turkey, Russia, and the United States know exactly
where the ARC sits. They suppress the information, but God
is in charge. The structure will be revealed in its time.
We climb the mountain in search, hoping it is in
fact God's time. As we climb, use are so Lord
is our prayer. So as you can see this. Uh.
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This author also has clearly a an established belief system here,
and it's always tricky when we explore the nature of belief,
being such a fundamentally subjective and private thing. So we
would love to hear from you, ladies, gentlemen, others shadows,
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anyone who happens to be a massive spiders wearing a
bag of flesh. We won't tell your secret, but we
do want to know what you think about the story
of Noah's art. It's generally considered by academia to be
uh what is called the pseudoscience, which I know is
rough for a lot of people to hear. But we
also have to acknowledge that people who are professional biblical
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scholars and Christians themselves often note that they believe the
story of Noah's art function as an allegory for as
an old set a cleansing of sorts, rather than a
physical flood. But but we have more for you because
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we have found a little bit of a little bit
of forensic, archaeological or geological evidence that might support a
seed of truth from which the flood myth began. And
we'll get to it after a word from our responsive
war and we're bat Okay, here's the thing. So originally,
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when we first started exploring this idea, we thought, well,
you know, nobody could build a boat now to hold
sufficient breeding population of all the animals in the world.
Just we can't. We we can't do it. It's not
that we can't build something big enough. I'm sure if
all everybody worked together we could. We just does it
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imply that there was some kind of clown car logic
going on that God sort of like helped out and
gave the ability to fit more stuff. It's like bigger
on the inside like the tartists, you know. I mean,
do you think there was maybe a little bit of
intervention perhaps, right, a little bit of divine interventions? The
story sure has a lot of magical thinking involved. I mean,
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you can't get away from the fact that, like you're saying,
if we can't do this today with all the machinery
and equipment we have, you know, how could it have
been done without some sort of you know, intervention from
a higher power or is it just meant to be
kind of an allegory, right, And and there's also the question,
you know, uh, what sorts of animals were around at
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the time, because we will also hear other Biblical scholars
who say, well, there were just fewer species of animals, which,
believing what I do about the nature of adaptation, I
find difficult. I've heard several different things in from Bible
study over the years, but one was that it was
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just animals from the immediate area. And in this, in
this version of like an interpretation, the flood itself wasn't
perhaps a global flood that was survived. That's one one
version that I've heard. Another one was that, um, it
was never like the magical thinking of you know, changing
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the interior of a boat to make it abble to
fit everything in um. The third one is more allegorical,
and this is from a Bible class and it's just
a way to use the wisdom that's found in this
story of when you see something bad happening, prepare and
you know, save that which is around you as well. Yeah,
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that's you know, this is the thing. These different versions.
These different interpretations are all evidence of the unavoidable thing
that occurs when we look in the distant past. History
is a game of telephone with the actions and the
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beliefs of the dead. And you know, people might dress
it up, uh and and talk about the great inspiring
moments of history, and of course those do exist. But
what I'm saying is that we tend to add, to
take away from, um modify and re contextualize the stories
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of the past. And since most of the people from
the past, statistically speaking, are dead or haven't contacted us, uh,
there's no one to say, hey, that's not how it
actually happened. There's no one around to say, well, we
took the animals on the farm. We took all the
animals on our farm to escape a regional flood or
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something like that. Here's something interesting. There's a thing called
the Black Sea deluge hypothesis. So around fifty b c E.
According to this hypothesis, there was a catastrophic rise in
the level of the Black Sea and waters from the
Mediterranean Sea breached a sill in the Bosphorus straight So
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this was published in or The New York Times mentioned
it right before it was in an academic journal. And
here's here's the weird thing. People agree that the events
described in this hypothesis happened. They're only debating the details.
How suddenly did it happen? When exactly did it happen?
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How bad was the flooding? But in the side of
the authors of this are two guys named William Ryan
and walt Or Pittman. So before glacial melt water had
turned the Black and Caspian Seas into these huge freshwater
lakes draining into the A g and Sea. As the
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glaciers retreated, some of the rivers emptying into the sea
UH declined and then lower decline and volume, and they
ended up changing course to hit the North Sea. The
levels of lakes dropped through evaporation. Overall, sea level began
to rise due to worldwide oceanic changes, and finally the
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rising Mediterraneans spilled over at the Bosphorus UH and flooded
sixty thousand square miles of land, and it expanded the
Black seashoreline to the north and west. So this would
this would be the um for their hypothesis. They would
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say for at least three hundred days UH UH ten
cubic miles of water poured through and that's two hundred
times the average flow of Niagara falls for three d days. Yeah,
the days don't match up, but obviously depending on how
quickly this happened. It's like that old that oldie song,
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nowhere to run to, nowhere to hide. I took out
the baby so it sounded more serious. Did that work? Yeah? No,
I think it did, especially if you think about the
modes of transportation that were available at the time. If
this kind of water is just flooding through a most
people are foot, yeah, most people are on foot. An
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animal would be a significant investment there. So critics of
this usually focus on how much water was going through
or how rapidly it came through, right, that's time and
the degree. However, um, if this happened at a certain
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you know, past this rapidity, then yeah, it would seem
like the world was flooding, right. Uh. This This idea
remains somewhat controversial. There there are other instances that are
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almost have floated. There are other instances that are proposed
as the real life origin of the global flood myth.
But it's kind of weird when you think about it.
Isn't it that all these cultures, many of which are unrelated,
have some sort of flood myth. Like I I accept,
of course the idea that from Babylonians, uh Samarian and
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Mesopotamian culture, a lot of later European or Christian flood
myths could originate, um and even maybe contact with India.
But what about what about people in North and South America?
Why they kick j Maya have a flood myth? This
ties into a lot of things that people argue as
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evidence of lost civilizations, like Limeria or Atlantis. They say, well,
it was this great civilization, incredibly advanced. They because of
some catastrophe or angering the gods or some sort of
forbidden technology, even nuclear power, they destroyed themselves and then
(32:23):
in in the process founded all these other cultures after
they flooded the world. That's that's something I don't know,
we've we've talked about that before this initial we have,
and I think that is one of the more fascinating
things to think about. That's a great concept to imagine.
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If you go to the Georgian Aquarium. I did that.
I did that last time. I went with my son,
and I just you know that the large way the tunnel. Yeah,
you just walked through that, and I was just imagining
being in Atlantean and at land. I don't know what
is that from one from Atlantis Atlantean Atlantean see person
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person and just floating through that thing. Yeah, And I
imagine our culture right now, in our society and what
tales will be told about it several thousand years from now.
How this kingdom existed in this continent and they developed
these weapons and then flooded the world. Oh, here's a
(33:26):
here's a game for everyone in the audience. You might
enjoy this. I enjoy this. It's it's a little bit dark.
Next time you're around really densely populated area in terms
of structures, like you're going through a city, imagine what
future historians and archaeologists will will. I think these things were, um,
(33:47):
thousands and thousands of years in the future. Maybe human,
maybe alien, Because what always gets me when I see
big interstate interchanges is I can easily imagine some smug
jerk again human alien, thousand and some thousand years in
the future, going Uh. Their aqueduct system was quite advanced
with the highways for biological entities, spaghetti junctions, Yeah, that's
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that would be the idea. And then skyscrapers, how are
you going to explain those? Those are kind of phallic.
There's gonna be what monuments to whatever weird god they
imagine we worshiped. Other excavations have revealed evidence of localized flooding.
So in the modern day Telfara a rock there are
there's evidence of flooding. There's evidence of localized flooding in
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er Kish Rook, Lagash Niniva, and we see that more
and more. The answer to the flood myth is maybe
not one single flood taking over the planet as much
as it is a series of catastrophic, horrific regional floods
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that a cur in a in a time when most
people lived and died within, you know, easily within twenty
miles of where they were born. So our our answer
here is still it's still up for debate. Is it
is it possible that someone saved all of the animals
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in the world in a single boat? Literally It's highly implausible, right, right,
But the more we learn about the history of flooding,
right and even controversial things like this black seed deluge hypothesis,
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the more we have to ask ourselves is this story
is some some part of this story based in truth?
Did someone actually survive a regional flood I save a
whole bunch of animals by building a boat in time? Yeah,
what do you guys think? I think that's highly plausible
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that there was a much smaller scale, non global flood
threat that one person was either knew about through you know,
some kind of higher means, or maybe he just kind
of had some abilities to look for those signs, you know,
maybe there were some clues and the environment changing in
the weather, and there was just one guy that was like, Hey,
(36:26):
here's an idea. Let's go ahead and do a little
doomsday prepping right now and build ourselves a big old
boat and take all the animals we have on the farm.
Maybe on a large enough scale that it impressed people
to such a degree that the story, like a game
with telephone, gradually morphed a little bit of that boat
got bigger and bigger, and it went from being just
about this area to being about the entire planet. You know.
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I mean, But if Noah and the people on the
boat and the animals on the boat were the only
ones who survived in the area, who told the story
was it Noah, because I can imagine Noah melishing a
little bit. It was Babe the Pig who got to
start on Noah's ark before going to Hollywood. Uh we
are going to end this today. Of course, we want
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