Unsolved: Who Built The Georgia Guidestones?

After years of listener requests, Ben, Matt and Noel are finally exploring the mysterious story of the legendary Georgia Guidestones. Who built this monument, and why? Listen in to learn more.

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is
riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or
learn the stuff they don't want you to know. Hello,

(00:24):
and welcome back to the show. My name is Matt,
my name is Noel. They call me Ben. You are you?
And that makes this stuff they don't want you to know. Uh.
This this is something that's been a long time in
coming for the three of us and for everyone else.
It's also been a long time in Alberton, that's a

(00:45):
joke about coming the county, another county in Georgia where
I grew up. It's a it's a city, it's a city.
Excuse me. Alberton's weird because it has the area because
seven h six, So does Athens, so does Augusta, where
I grew up. It seems like a whole wide swath
of Georgia has seven or six and I've never understood why. Yeah,
you know, there's a there's an interesting thing we could

(01:06):
explore with the You know, there are conspiracy theories about
area codes, which will be something for a completely different podcasts.
Not Today, my Friend, Not Today, my Friend. Today, we
are casting our memory back to nineteen eighty, almost forty
years gone now in a small town called Elberton, Georgia,
the self proclaimed granite capital of the world. And no,

(01:30):
you have, uh, you have praps some of the we
you definitely have the most I would say personal experience
with today's topic. Could you could you lead us in?
You'll give you the set up? Can you give us
the setup? I'm gonna do it in my setup voice.

(01:50):
In June of nineteen seventy nine, a well dressed, well
spoken stranger walked into the office of the Elberton Granite
Finishing Company. He used the name R. C. Christian or
Robert Christian when introducing himself to the owner, Joe Findley,
who was finishing his payroll. He said that he represented
a small group of proud Americans who wanted to erect

(02:13):
a monument in granite that would help shape the future
of mankind. That's right, ladies and gentlemen. Uh, and those
who are aliens or ghosts or future AI listening to
this show today, at this moment in time and space,
we are exploring the strange and fascinating story behind what
is often called America's Stonehenge, but has another more common name,

(02:39):
the Georgia. Guidestones. Don't don't done? Man? You read my
mind with that sound effect? Is that? Okay? I know
we could do it in No, no, no, it's better
from you. More gravity, yeah, more more gravitas. So we
went to the guide Stones for an adventure that we

(03:02):
probably won't ever fully explain on air. UM. But circumstances
led to the three of us being there in Elberton, Georgia,
the seat of Elbert County. And this is a very
very very very small town, very small population somewhere between
four thousand, five thousand people, about ninety miles east of Atlanta,

(03:23):
forty five miles from Athens. But the stones themselves are
about nine miles north of downtown Alberton. And you can
see it from Georgia Highway seventy seven and you can
reach it by turning turning on guide Stones Road. But
it's incredibly accessible. You know, it's just sitting there and

(03:43):
there are horses near it. It's actually situated on a farm,
a piece of farmland that was gifted to the city
of Alberton by the Mullanex family. UM. And I don't
know we should should we go into why I know
this stuff? We should we should go ahead, Yeah, we
should at least talk about it. Now. Let's let the
badger out of the bag and get into it earlier.

(04:04):
Because what what were we referring to when we said
that you have some personal experience here? Um, When I
was in college, I did my senior thesis film on
the Georgia guidestones, much like all of you listeners, just
kind of found its way to me, um through a
girl that I was dating at the time, and I

(04:27):
just was fascinated by it because there's a lot to
be fascinated by. It's a pretty pretty awesome mystery, and
I decided I was going to make a little documentary
about it, and I ended up being I think a
little more than that, um in terms of, you know,
what I uncovered and who I kind of befriended along
the way. We can get into that a little further
into the episode here. Yes, because you have you have unique,

(04:50):
one of a kind, uh, not just experiences, not just
pieces of footage, but also documents and connections with it.
And we're going to be coming back to repeatedly over
this because ladies and gentlemen, you are going to hear
in this podcast or see in this video things that

(05:10):
you have probably never heard nor seen regarding this topic,
even if you have researched extensively yourself. Um, let's look
at the history of Albert County. What do we know
about this? We know that it is named after a
revolutionary and former governor of Georgia, Mr. Samuel Albert, who

(05:32):
was born in Savannah in seventeen forty. Wow, seventeen forty.
That's that's old South. Yes, with a capital O and
the capitals definitely, So early on in this gentleman's career,
he established this record for peaceable interactions with the native
populations in the area, particularly the Creek Indians that were

(05:56):
prevalent there. So this guy is allegedly a free Mason
and his name supposedly appears on the ninth on the
seventeen seventy nine Masonic membership roles of Solomon's Lodge Number
one in Savannah. Keep this pretty cool? Yeah, yeah, well
that's you know, Savannah is one of the older cities
in Georgia and for it to be there, that's pretty significant.

(06:19):
And he made waves during his time in office. He
ignored some existing legislation that sought to mix the powers
of church and state in Georgia at the time. The
way that the powers that a governor would have over
his state or her state, we're a little bit different
than they are in the modern age today, or what
we consider the modern age, because who knows when you're

(06:42):
watching this, And like many people, he passed away in
November of seventeen eight, like all people eventually, but Alberton
remains as the most notable location surrounding the Georgia Guide Stones.

(07:03):
All of its lore, all of its history, all rooted
there in the town of Alberton. With also is still
in the town of Alberton is a whole hell of
a lot of granite, which is the main industry of
that city. When we went and visited, every business from
McDonald's to a you know, funeral home has a granite sign,

(07:26):
you know on the outside basically looks like a tombstone.
Or they call the monuments as their houses mailboxes. You know.
It's just that the place is just lousy with the
stuff and granite processing, granite processing facilities everywhere. I was
able to visit one for the film actually and see
the way they do it, and it's a very There
are some machines involved, but a lot of it is

(07:46):
still very hands on hammer and chisel kind of activity,
where they you know, literally draw lines around the edges
and hit it with a hammer and chisel and break
them off, break off the edges to make those kind
of rough you know, monument slabs that you see in tombstones,
granite countertops. There's all kinds of different processes for doing it.
But the place I went there were just lines of workers,

(08:10):
you know, working on this stuff with their hands. The
place is just full of dust, granite dust in the air,
big huge saw blades with water spraying into them to
cool it down and make these really precise cuts, really
interesting stuff. And it's a very close knit community where
pretty much the only reason you live there is if

(08:30):
you work for that industry in some form or fashion. Yeah,
which makes absolute sense, because no, you're not exaggerating in
any way. This was and is a granite town. And
also they're famous for the type of granite that I
think it's called blue pyramid granite, which is of a
higher grade than some of the other stuff out there

(08:52):
on the market, and that is one of the reasons
people conjecture that's part of the reason that r C
went down I'm going to assume that I'm very familiar
with him, or you are more than most. Uh so
you can probably call him r C. That's why he
and his associates, his cohorts selected this area specifically, so

(09:13):
they built this monument we call the Georgia Guide Stones.
It's built to convey astrological information, contains these multi lingual
directives for a new world paradigm or almost it seems
like a restart, like this should be the base level
if everything gets destroyed, this is where we should go.

(09:35):
And we'll run through some statistics that are pretty easily
available online. Here, just the basics. Overall, nineteen ft three
inches tall ways almost two hundred and forty thousand pounds um.
The four major stones or sixteen ft four inches, and
they have support stones, and they have a cap stone right,

(09:58):
and the languages all of these directives are listed in English, Spanish, Swahili, Hindi, Hebrew, Arabic, Chinese,
and Russian. And at the top in that capstone they
have four older languages, and in each of those languages
is written the same ten commandments, and they are as follows,

(10:19):
presented without comment. Number one maintain humanity under five hundred
million in perpetual balance with nature. Number two guide reproduction
wisely improving fitness and diversity. The third one is a
unite humanity with a living new language. Four Rule passion, faith, tradition,

(10:44):
and all things with tempered reason. Next, protect people in
nations with fair laws and just courts. Six, Let all
nations rule internally, resolving external disputes in a world court. Seven,
avoid petty laws and useless officials. Balance personal rights with

(11:04):
social duties. Prize truth, beauty, love, seeking, harmony with the infinite,
and last, but not least, number ten, be not a
cancer on the earth. Leave room for nature. Leave room
for nature. This has been the subject of so much controversy,

(11:24):
but everything you've heard at this point have been facts,
and no I wanted to ask you. Did you in
in the course of talking about the construction, um, what
did you learn about how this came from a stranger
walking into a granted company in a bank to actually
becoming a thing. So, in trying to find folks to

(11:49):
interview for this film, I kept seeing the name Wyatt
Martin pop up. He was the banker at a place
at the time was called the Granite City Bank, and
I believe it eventually became a region's bank. UM. And
he was the one who received this Mr Christian when
he came in a gentleman just looking to discuss financing
a project or having someone act as sort of an intermediary. UM.

(12:12):
He wanted to remain anonymous, so he needed someone that
was rooted in that community that could sort of help
move the funds around higher the right people. And he
wasn't asking for someone's advice. He already had his mindset
that this is where he wanted to build this thing.
He already had the plans drawn up, he had the
thing designed, you know, and it was a lot of
money for the community and a lot of work for

(12:34):
you know, people that the granite workers and so. And
it would have been an interesting if you think about it.
At the time, not knowing too much about it, I
could see this as being an interesting tourist attraction, you know,
the idea of having sort of a mystery around it.
It got people in the community kind of um buzzing
about what this was all about, who this mysterious stranger
was and all that. And I've found Mr Martin Um.

(12:57):
He had moved from Elberton, but I was look him up,
just googling his name, and I called him and he
was very gracious and hospitable, and went over to his
house several times and hung out and just chatted, and
you know, he had some really interesting things to say
about the process without revealing the identity of this man.
He was true to his word. The first thing the

(13:19):
man said was, I want to use you as my owntermediary,
but you have to promise me that you will never
tell anyone who I really was, no matter where. I
swore him to secrecy more or less. And you know,
this is a man of his word, a Southern gentleman,
shall we say, a businessman, you know, John businessman. And um,

(13:40):
he did that thing. You know, he definitely kept to
his word. So once it was clear that the funds
were available and this guy wasn't completely full of crap
and that he was serious about doing this project, um,
he sent him over to see a man named Joe
Finley at the Albert and Granite Finishing Company or I
believe it was maybe the Albert Granite Finishing Company. And um,
he said that they could get it done. And he had,

(14:02):
you know, folks that could do the work that were craftsmen.
They ended up having to bring in some outside help
to do some translations for these directives that we talked about,
and they hired some people at the University of Georgia
to do some of the different translations, which we'll get
into in a bit. But the stones were actually completed,
um in the March of nineteen eighty and they even

(14:24):
had an unveiling ceremony where all of local politicians were there,
local business people. Like I said, it was for many
looked at as a potential for a source of great
pride for the community, like you know, here is the
kind of work we can do. It was a much
bigger project than just your typical to countertop or you know,
a gravestone, a grave marker. This was a big deal

(14:45):
and it was right there on the open in this
field for all to see. So it was you know,
it was a big point of pride for the community. Um.
The unveiling ceremony was on March the twenty two of
nineteen eighty and uh there was covered by the media
and the locally and regionally, and so you know, I'm
going it took about a year to get the whole
process done, and um, there you have it there. We

(15:10):
have the genesis, the origin point, the beginning, but not
nearly the end, not nearly the end. And we'll get
to some of the stranger things about the Georgia guidestones
after a word from our sponsor. Here's where it gets crazy.

(15:36):
Remember that R. C. Christian guy. We still don't know
who that guy is. We don't know the group that
he represented, If he represented a group, we don't know
much about it. Maybe a little bit. Well, we know speculations,
but we there's much more that we don't know. We
have theories about his identity, we have theories about his affiliations. Um.

(16:00):
One of the interesting things that you'll find, one of
the more conspiratorial, perhaps is that there are people who
believe R. C. Christian could have been one of two people,
or maybe even more than one. And for the record,
I find that very difficult to believe because it sounds
like when Christian was interacting with his intermediary, it was

(16:25):
always the same person. They saw each other's face as
they recognized each other. But my my favorite guest here
is some people believe that R. C. Christian was actually
guy named Robert Carter Cook. So Robert Carter Cook was
a guy who headed eugenics organizations like the Planned Parenthood League,

(16:47):
American Eugenic Society, the Association for Research and Human Heredity,
and many other groups to uh too numerous recall he's
very into eugenics, right. Uh. He was a big fan
of Thomas Paying, also a freemason and author of the
Age of Reason. Or next candidate Ted Turner, definitely, Yep,

(17:11):
it's dead Turner. You're sold mat that's sold sold in
on a buffalo. And he was like, this is how
we're doing this. These are my stones, We're making them.
You off that TBS money. Let's see. I just don't
feel like Turner is the kind of guy that keeps
much of anything a secret. You know. He seems like
a pretty ostentatious fellow, wants to wants to leave his

(17:32):
mark and let people know that it was his Well,
this was his one secret, all kind of like everybody
gets one. Yeah, it was probably Jane's idea, so she
seems a little more subtle. No, let's go, let's go
back to that is clearly blow Well, I don't uh.
The problem is like the Robert Carter Cooke being a eugenicist.

(17:53):
While that's evidence of a supporter of eugenics. It's not
it's the it's not a smoking guy. And let's let's
not forget too that the initials R C. Christian can't
help but think about the Rosicrucian order, the Order of
the Rose Cross Um also having some Enlightenment philosophies and um,

(18:18):
you know, a similar kind of um ideology to something
like a Freemason in that they combined aspects of religion
and numerology symbology, uh in a similar way to the Freemasons, Right, Yeah,
Rosicrucians who combine her medicism, some Jewish mysticism, and Christian

(18:42):
gnosticism and and things of that nature to communicate this
secret wisdom which has passed down through the ages um.
And this sort of philosophy goes back to what are
known as mystery religions. Interesting side note, all right, Um,
you may hear at times people talk about a revealed religion.

(19:04):
It's easy for us to think that means they're all
sorts of secret religions. That may be true, but the
actual definition of a revealed religion is simply one that
has a book, you know, a Koran, a Bible uh
Torah or something like that, So Rosicrucian and teachings then

(19:24):
would be non revealed religions because they there's not like
the one official book that everybody knows about that you
can you know, buy at Barnes and Noble. You can
buy a lot of books about it, a lot of
books that purport to be sending the message, but there's
not a single canonical thing at this point, which goes

(19:45):
my next question, what are you guys doing next week
doing the write one? Well? Whatever, man, all right, while
we're getting together our snops is for that book. I
think it's it's important for us to point out that
when people are essing about what this organization could be,
or what this group of people could be, all they

(20:06):
have to go on is that the what they said
in the Stones, and then that they describe themselves as
a small group of Americans who seek the age of reason,
patriotic Americans, even patriotic Americans absolutely, And this has led
various various speculators to guess that these are Resicrucians, like
we're saying, Freemasons, of course, the new world order of globalists,

(20:30):
which it does sound similar with the World Court stuff
or occultist However, we have on this show thanks to
you know, uh, we have proof that at least the
person responsible for constructing the guide stones took great exception
to this because we actually have stuff that you found

(20:51):
in your investigations from the man himself. That's trueman. But
before I reveal this material, I do want to say
that it should be noted that there was a sense
at the time and now among the people that live
in the area that this is some sort of shadowy
occult monument, some sort of let's satanic site for ritual.

(21:17):
You know. I actually interviewed a pastor from a church
nearby who claims to have driven by at night and
seen robed figures sacrificing animals and throwing down rose pedals.
In all of this, I also spoke at length to
a very lovely woman named l Um who was a pagan,

(21:38):
and Um knows folks who have gone there to do
Solstice ceremonies. Because it's on a high place, it does
have that kind of druid I, you know, majesty to it.
I could definitely see how that would be an appealing site,
and it's oriented astronomy. It yes to show certain certain

(21:59):
features of the right attracts the movement of the north Star.
There's a hole in it called the Noman hole that
allows you to aligns with the north Star. Yeah and
so yeah, again, a lot of the stuff that we
could um kind of lump in with some of these
astrological obsessed shall we say, organizations, orders, religions. You know,

(22:24):
it's a lot of that is there if you want it.
And people still, local local populations still occasionally deface the
monument by throwing paints on it and stuff like that.
There was actually spoke with a local historian who had
done some work around the history of Alberton and written
several books about, uh, the history of that part of

(22:47):
the state, and talked about how someone at one point
had actually defaced it with a jackhammer or it looked
like they had driven a car into it, or tried
to literally pull it out the ground with some sort
of toe line. You know, we saw evidence of that.
Be guys, remember seeing the chips at the bottom have

(23:08):
been defaced. You can you know they were able to
buff a lot of that off. I mean again, it's
a town full of granite workers. Yeah, um, but so
there you know, even to this day, people there are
there is a certain subset of people that look at
his look at a mystery as being a sign of

(23:30):
ill will or a sign of some sort of force
that is negative in some way threat exactly, they're threatened
by it. Um. Even in nineteen eighty, right when the
stones were erected, Mr Christian wasn't having any of that,
and he sent this letter to Wyatt Martin um. It's

(23:53):
dated six August nineteen eighty Dear Mr Martin, thank you
for sending me the newspaper stories. These were clippings about
so of the controversy. This is the type of controversy
which we had hoped to avoid, which I suppose is unavoidable.
I'm inclosing a statement which you might forward to the
local newspaper and perhaps to the offended ministers of the gospel.

(24:14):
Perhaps printing this information will control the problem. We can
only hope that common sense will prevail. This is quite
a long statement, actually, so here are some selected highlights.
Dear Mr Martin, I have received your recent letter detailing
some of the bizarre reactions to the Georgia guidestones. If

(24:34):
I were not concerned by them, I would only be amused.
The sponsors of the project do not believe in demonology
or astrology or satanism. We regard such activities as being
a form of superstition. There may be evil spirits of
a personal sort in the universe, we are not convinced.
We would rather regard evil as the absence of good.

(24:57):
Only through the most strained constructions can the precepts referring
to the commandments of this monument be construed as being
anti religious or anti Christian. It's actually so good, I'm
gonna keep reading. The monument attempts to appeal to the
good in human beings of all faiths. For this reason

(25:17):
and this reason alone, it does not carry the badges
of any of the world's major religions or philosophies. And
for this reason it speaks in Russian and Arabic and
Swahili and other major tongues of the human family. It
is devoid of political overtones. It appeals to human reason
as a God given tool to be used by humanity

(25:40):
in dealing with the problems which now confront us so urgently.
We hope that the good people of Elbert County will
interpret our message literally just as we have presented it,
and that they will not twist and turn our words
to find hidden meanings which are not a part of
our concept. New morologists can find secret meanings in the

(26:03):
random patterns of a telephone book. The dimensions of the
stones were determined by the limits of our financial resources
and the physical requirements of the texts. Meters were used
because the metric system is being adopted universally. Larger stones
were too costly. It is probably unavoidable that followers of

(26:23):
unusual sects will attempt to find in the astronomical bearings
some occult message. None have been placed therein As we
have indicated, the present stone cluster indicates the northern and
southern extremes of the motions of the sunrise and sunset
throughout the year. They have been calculated by scientifically trained
astronomers using modern computer technology. The significance of these orientations

(26:48):
is to recognize the constancy of the laws of nature
which govern the motions of the heavenly bodies. If additional
stones are added a later date by other donors whose
gifts would be most welcome, they should indicate the migrations
of the moon. If the donors wish, they may cause
these stones to indicate some other interesting but constant feature

(27:09):
in the nighttime sky. Our initial group of stones are
intended to carry only the simple message we have inscribed
upon them. Any other mysterious significance which may be thought
to attach to these stones will be purely the product
of the imagination of the viewer. We specifically disavow any
connection with the so called cults and superstitions which are

(27:30):
now being professed by people who claim a relationship to
ancient religions or to witchcraft or other irrational human beliefs.
We discourage the use of the monument site for cultist
purposes of any kind. We ask the people of Elbert
County to protect the site from abuse, so that our
brief appeal to reason may be carried to our fellow

(27:52):
human beings of all philosophies in a united effort to
deal with the problems of the world through the application
of human him yours truly, r. C. So this official
statement more or less categorically disavows any sort of occult

(28:13):
or ritualistic um involvement, at least on the part of
our seat. And again, the words that we are hearing
that pop up here consistently are things like reason, common sense.
This is clearly based on at least a group that

(28:33):
perceives themselves as proceeding in secularism and rationalism, also as
being relatively neutral in terms of any kind of there
they mentioned. He mentioned in the letter that there is
no political message. I disagree with. I completely disagree with that,
especially in context of nine when it was Yeah. I

(28:59):
love that you point that outmat because we cannot divorce
this from the context of time in which it occurred.
We are as a species at that point, possibly closer
to nuclear war than we have been at any time
definitely before or a since World War Two. And now

(29:24):
another another factor we forget is that these two gigantic
superpowers are fighting proxy wars throughout the country. And this
is the These are the days before widespread internet, So
the average person was going after work very hard to
have more of an international understanding. Right. Yeah, investigative journalism
was better, That's just a fact. But the problem is

(29:48):
that fewer people had access to diverse sources of information.
And the reason I think that all of us are
having a hard time separating this from a politicical context
as they're talking about the rule of law on a
global scale, which is itself a political opinion. What don't

(30:09):
you think absolutely? I mean, and as you say, it's
almost like there's a a very palpable desire need, if
you will, to combat the potential for hysteria and and
and losing that rationality and that sense of reason and
just completely falling victim to you know, the hysteria of

(30:33):
the time, which was Cold war paranoia, the idea that we,
you know, may not be long for this world, you know,
and and finding a way to kind of come together
as humans. And let's not forget that this also, there's
a lot here that might lead one to believe this
is maybe for after the bombs fall. That's that's exactly

(30:56):
my thought. It's if bombs do fall on us soil
and this one remote part of Georgia remains somewhat unaffected,
and as people continue to like rebuild after some disaster
like that, you happen upon it and you can read
it because it's in all the languages, and you make
a new society. Yeah. I think that's an excellent point.

(31:18):
And it's got to be in the reckoning there, because
the things that tend to last the longest out of
human made, anything made by humanity will will tend to
be very um. When I say primitive, I just mean
they don't have a lot of moving parts, but like
very unsophisticated things mounds in the ground, burial mounds, stonework

(31:42):
works of soone. And this reminds me of something that
we may have talked about on the show before, which
was when NASA started asking people how we would um
uh necessary, asking people how we would protect future generations
or even extraterrestrial species from radiation sites, nuclear fallout, or

(32:05):
nuclear waste. Right, because the half life math there is tremendous,
and it's completely possible that the US could fall, the
bombs could drop, civilization could like go down into just
a tiny uh Tinese stuttering match flame, and then later

(32:25):
rekindle and people are finding out these new continents and stuff,
and then they boom, they stumble onto a toxic wasting
and like the last the fertile humans die. That was
the fear, and they came up with all these weird,
um very creative things like hey, let's get cats or
plants that grow in the presence of radiation, or let's

(32:47):
have big stonework warnings. But I think you guys are
absolutely right. I think it is intended for post disaster
because it's built pretty far inland. So even if climate
change projections of the time were but you know, as
catastrophic as it might have been, then it still wouldn't
be underwater. Well, and again it's at the it's the

(33:11):
highest point in Elbert County. It is a high place
and it's flat. So um. Mr Christian did tell why
Martin that he chose Alberton because of a the quality
and availability of the granite, and the personnel that it
would take to construct such a monument, and more importantly,
even the conditions the climate. You know, the location and

(33:34):
these things you're talking about with it being inland the
way it was and the elevation, making it a place
that could serve as a rallying point, you know, if
the bleep hit the fan, if the bleep hit the fan. Yeah,
that's uh, that's it's interesting. I wonder how many survivalist
preppers have that plan. It's like, all right, if it

(33:56):
goes down, meet me at the stones. I like that
seventy two hours. I don't know. I mean, yeah, it
might not be very helpful in gathering food and stuff. Hey,
you'd have some horses right there, though. At least I
think it's a nice idea, but there's a lot of
ideas that maybe are not so nice, And I think
maybe where we go now on this show, as we
get little granular with him, pull this thing apart, talk

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about each one. But first let's take a quick break. So,
as we said earlier, there are ten commandments, or as
our friend RC likes to call them, precepts carved into
these stones, and we're looking let's look at each of them, uh,

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during the time of their construction in the nineteen eighties
and compare those changes or the global progress may or
lost from then to now at the end of six
So what's first? The first one is maintain humanity under
five hundred million in perpetual balance the nature lot to

(35:02):
unpack here, Yeah, that, I mean it just okay, well,
well why is this? Why does this feel strange when
you hear that? Well, it obviously hasn't happened yet. And
in nineteen eighty when this monument was built, there were
in estimated four billion, four hundred and fifty three million,
eight hundred and thirty one thousand, seven hundred and fourteen

(35:24):
rough estimated people on planet Earth at that time. Now,
you know, we don't have to exactly do the math
here to let you know that five million is significantly
fewer than the number of people that existed at the time,
which brings us back to our eugenics discussions. Right. So
the big question that the guide zones imply, or the

(35:49):
question that conjures up immediately, is what happens to these
more than four billion people who around? So this gives
us another Um, this give us another leg to our
argument that this was meant to be read by survivors
of something what happened to all those people? That's true. Um.

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There is another possibility though, that Mr Christian did in
fact support the idea of calling you know, the undesirable element.
Shall we say from the population, that there needed to
be some sort of separating the wheat from the chaff?

(36:30):
Shall we say for this new society? Careful? Well, I am,
but I actually have here, uh in my hands a
book um called common Sense renewed the Georgia Guidestones by
Robert Christian, and this was distributed. It was given out
for free at the Albert Library for years. They have

(36:52):
them on file there and I believe they had copies
that you could actually get. He left them with Mr
Martin and asked that he makes them available to people.
Have a copier. I don't think there are tons left.
But the very first the preface starts like this. At
harvest time, primitive farmers separate their grain by beating the

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stalks with flails on a threshing floor. They removed the
loose straw, leaving a residue of grain, chaff, and dust.
This mixture is purified by winnowing, tossing it into the
air to permit the empty husks and useless debris to
be carried away on the wind. The grain kernels fall

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back where they can be recovered and put to use
by the community. So what's fascinating there is that's clearly
that clearly implies something for our second precept that's coming
up here too. Um. But there are numerous things that
show up in in fiction and in international affairs and

(37:57):
real politics where people are saying, you know this the
egg omelet argument, right, you gotta break a ton of
eggs to make that delicious Colorado to build a better omelet. Right,
And obviously, no matter how you look at it, right now,
as often this hasn't worked. As of sixteen, there are

(38:19):
over seven point four billion people alive, and there's an
estimated eighty million more on the way in seventeen unless
the winnowing begins. The second one, the one that I
think fascinates the three of us immensely, is guide reproduction
wisely improving fitness and diversity. And this is also exactly

(38:42):
what um Robert Christians talking about here. It's obviously an
argument for eugenics, which itself has been the rationale for
numerous horrific crimes, genocides, forced sterilizations, other other strange, huge
medical experiments, and during various points of history it's been
lauded as a way to improve humanity, though hopefully we

(39:07):
can all understand how improving something might mean very different
things to different people according to who right right. And
it's true that while there are more people being born,
the pattern of birth birthrates is changing geographically. The majority
of First World developed nations are experiencing and decline in
birth rates, that Japan being one of the most um

(39:29):
one of the most extreme examples. And if we look
to the future we walk a little past. What we're
seeing is the idea that eugenics may be easier and
more customizable than ever before. Uh we may become a
species wherein thanks to gene editing technology, we don't have

(39:53):
people practicing genocides so much as we have people editing
genes of fetuses, unborn children, getting that crisper out, getting
the crisper out. Yep, crisper the famous gene editing software
which was recently used on human material for the first time.
And God, it sounds messed up to call it human material. Ye.

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Speaking of that stuff, here's another quote from a chapter
in the book Uh Common Sense Renewed by Robert Christian,
chapter called cultural evolution Um. The science of genetics has
provided us with rudimentary understanding of the manner in which
a human body and brain developed from a single living cell,
the fertilized ovum. That tiny miracle combines contributions from two

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parents and approximately equal proportions. It's central nucleus contains a
genetic blueprint which spells out the general characteristics of our species,
together with the minor variations which determine our racial and
individual features. Our greatest acquired feature is invisible and intangible.
It is our total cultural heritage, the composite of knowledge

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which is maintained and transferred in our libraries and in
the information stores of our arts and sciences, our trades, traditions,
and all the complex living patterns of human society. The
capacity for assimilating that heritage and in enriching it is
mysteriously contained in the trillion or more cells which constitute
the living brain, and each of us collectively, these features

(41:20):
determine our national and individual awareness and our character. Alright,
So the argument there that culture is the most important thing.
The learning, actually the learning of the dead and our predecessors,
would be the most important thing carried by our um,
carried by our human brains, right or whatever, we build

(41:44):
a function as a proxy for a human brain. Uh,
there is a dangerous part here with eugenics, of course,
which is the idea of breeding programs. That sounds fun. Well,
we know that the Nazi Party tried it to create
their perfect aryan there and many you know, insipid so

(42:05):
called royals or aristocrats have made essentially made incest a
family tradition, and that happened to their massive disadvantage. I mean,
look at look at the deformities of King Tutt, look
at the jaws of the Hapsburgs, look at the web
of grossly intertwined families that are still somehow treated as
the tribal mascots of Europe. It's not just a lanister thing.

(42:29):
And did you know that China, the nation of China,
allegedly used a breeding program to create the famous basketball
player uh Yao Ming. And you can read reports of
this because China asked to very tall basketball players, his
father being six foot seven and his mom being six

(42:51):
three two, essentially breed together and see if they if
their children would be tall and then boom. For now,
there is no publicly acknowledged widespread eugenics program or breeding program,
although generational family based discrimination is almost certainly functioning in

(43:15):
a eugenistic way by for instance, North Korea's North Korea's
collective punishment system, which says if if someone violates a law,
then uh their family three generations up, three generations down off,
which means that entire family, you know, lines are are

(43:36):
being lost. Here's another one, unite humanity with a new
living language. I feel like this also is a big
part of of what you mentioned earlier been about how
there it just wasn't as easy to get information, especially
in an increasingly global society, global world um where there

(43:59):
are years of outside invaders coming and challenging our way
of life. The idea here being that if we could
communicate with our enemies in the same language, using the
same tongue, that maybe we could find more common ground. Perhaps.
I mean, I think overall a lot of the messages
of the guidestones are one of peace and environmentalism and

(44:20):
sort of taking care of what you have and nurturing relationships.
And I think that's that's how it speaks to me.
What do you guys think. I don't know if this
is correct, but I believe that English would be the
closest thing that we could call a universal language that
exists on the planet today. In TWI yeah, it's the okay.
So there's a difference between what would be a constructed

(44:41):
language and then a language like English, right, or a
language like Mandarin. So many people have made attempts to
create a global language before the Georgia Guidestones were a thing,
and one of the most famous is Esperanto. There's uh,
there's an Esperanto film starting William Schattner. I think we
talked a little bit about Esperanto on a on another trip, uh,

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but it never it never caught on and Matt, You're
absolutely right. Currently English, let's consider it the de facto
language of business. So there are more people in raw
numbers being native speakers of Mandarin for instance, right, or
Chinese language. However, there are more and more people who

(45:27):
are speaking English in their common Like let's say you
spoke German and you spoke Spanish, and you spoke English,
and Nole spoke Russian, and Noll spoke uh Swahili and
also English, then of course you would naturally converse in English,
but it's still not the not the world's language yet.

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And like you said, Noll, the rise of this incredibly
cheap communication now the fact that we can have essentially
the same kind of conversation if you live in Thailand
and I lived in Um. What's far away from Thailand,
that's not here, Australia, Australia. What I meant originally was,
at the time, we didn't have that kind of instantaneous

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communication the way we do now. In nine it was
much more difficult to get instantaneous news and information. Like
you said, there was better quality of news, but it
certainly wasn't as readily available to all people, and it
wouldn't be as easy to find out what was going
on in Russia, you know, or have a one on
one conversation with somebody who was perceived as being like

(46:36):
an enemy. I think the idea here to have to
unify people with a living new language is the idea
of bringing people together by getting rid of those language barriers.
So in a way, technology and the Internet has sort
of achieved this precept. From where we stand today, well

(46:57):
I did. I think it's definitely eroded it and I
don't think it's eliminating. But but it also goes to
another bigger question. How do we define a language? This
is this is something that's important because clearly, clearly the
authors of the guide some precepts mean to define a
language as something like we're speaking English now right, or

(47:19):
however we're translated on your television. But is math a language,
because if so, then the majority of the world speaks
it to one degree or another. And you know, we've
always talked about extraterrestrials or how you would communicate with
an entirely alien species of some sort, it would probably
be something like math um. But there are all lot

(47:40):
of things you can't express in math, you know what
I mean, Like you can't. Uh, there's a certain poetry
to it, but it's not the same as the language
is we're speaking and then his music a language, right
would you would there be ever being an encounter with
someone where you would be able to communicate entirely through
music or even like body language, where that can differ

(48:03):
significantly across cultures, as can music. But there are things
about music that seem to cross cultural barriers, like in
terms of a feeling of reverence or or like you know,
having the you know, the hairs stand up on the
back of your neck when a particular passage of some
Beethoven is played, you know beautifully. Um, can you communicate

(48:29):
thoughts and concepts? I mean you can paint a picture,
but it's very blunt, kind of like you can't really
get into specifics. You know, where you have like us
the score to Peter in the Wolf for example, where
you have you know, the duck is a particular instrument
and you can kind of picture a duck waddling around
or something like that, But then you can't get much

(48:50):
more specific than that. If you used music, like like
in close encounters for example, where you used music to
represent intervals with are then translated to math to a
type of code and Morse code or what have you.
You know, you could communicate things that way. Yeah, and
we know that maybe a computer code could be used

(49:11):
in a similar way. If we go back to example
of one person speaking German, one speaking Russian, uh, and
they both are using the same sort of code, computer code,
then it's possible that what they would be doing is
like communication. But I love that you point out that
music has more of an a mode of emotional content,
because you could. We can hear Peter and the Wolf,

(49:34):
which is a great example. We can hear in the
Hall of the Mountain King and get the fact that
things are going crazy there. But we can't listen to
an instrumental if we don't know how to tie our
shoes and expect to teach us how to do that. Right,
we need words for certain things, well, unless you're using emojis,
and that's the new language, because it would essentially be

(49:56):
like hieroglyphics, but digital and universal. Yeah, idiograms, pictograms. That's fascinating. Well,
what what about this next? What about ruling, passion, faith,
tradition and all things with tempered reason? There's the R
word again. I just think that comes back to not
getting carried away with you know, the paranoias and the

(50:18):
burdens of our time. You know, we could we could
probably use that advice where we are right now with
what's going on politically, and a lot of people are
very paranoid and concerned. The idea of sort of ruling
your emotional life with some measured form of reason and

(50:39):
kind of tamping down your base or instincts to just
fly off the handle and you know, go to war,
be it with your neighbor, you know, or on a
global scale. I just think that it's sort of just
encouraging people to like think things through and not fly
off the handle, you know. You know, I took it
as an argument against religious extremes m as well as

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ideological uh. And I was looking at this in Night sixteen.
There's a clear trend towards secularism in the U S
and in Western Europe, but in other parts of the
world there's a clear trend toward what is often called
extremist ideology, right. Uh. And when I say that, I

(51:22):
don't mean just one particular faith. I'm talking about different
areas of the world. So the amount of people in
the U s who say they're absolutely certain God exists
has dropped from seventy one in two thousand and seven
to sixty three percent in two thousand fourteen. UH and
the amount of people who identified as non religious, agnostic
or atheistic has increased UM and In the US, the

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population of people who believe in in some sort of
God is UH, far higher than most other developed countries,
but it's still slowly declining UM from UM over over
about the same time span UH since the Pew Research

(52:08):
Center conducted their first religious Landscape study. UM and now
the religious religiously unaffiliated, which is slightly different than people
who say, well, I'm none, I'm not an atheist. I'm
not you know, a Catholic or um a shape, a shaker.

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The religiously unaffiliated, the people who don't consider themselves you know, Catholic,
or or Muslim or a Jehovah witness, where an atheist
at all has increased. People who like that was the
population called the nuns who just put none in o
n e UH has increased in the current age, which

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is strange. But I I like the way you're looking
at it more than you know. I think it is
better for it to be an argument of let's be
reasonable rather than an argument against religion, which is what
it could be against religious extremism. But I don't think
it's against spirituality in general. Well, and it's also the

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the language here is very specific. It says rule, passion, faith,
tradition and all things that. Well, yeah, the so the
people that are either in charge of it or you
know in some way that I guess the religious leaders
like this. It's a direct message to that person. Um.
That's interesting to me because it feels like, I don't

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want to I don't want to say patriarchal can control
because it's not you know, specifying any kind of gender
or anything like that. But it just feels like that
the your leader will control these things with reason or
make it. It seems like there's a hierarchy, definitely a
hi how to prioritize of stuff, right, And I think
that many of the precepts on here are specifically directed

(54:07):
at government, and then I think some of them can
be um made more personal as well. You know. I
think that's what I mean. That's interesting about the language
of these precepts is that a lot of them are
clearly advice for setting up a government or for changing
a government for the better. But a lot of them
can kind of are twofold where you can sort of
apply them to your own philosophy, in your own way

(54:30):
of thinking, just as a human person. Yeah, there's a
code of Hammurabi kind of thing going on here, which
is exactly as you said, to establish a civilization, or
to establish an ideal civilization. Well, what's next? Where are
we at with the next precept? The next commandment states
that we should protect people and nations with fair laws

(54:52):
and just courts. Sounds pretty straightforward, sounds like a good
idea to me, open ended though it is. Yeah, is it?
Is it fair? I don't know? Or what? Do you
look at the words fair and just? I guess definition
of those isn't that Fox News is tagline fair and

(55:15):
just now more than ever? Uh? Yeah, it's It's interesting
because it makes me wonder too if this is similar
to Asimov's fictional laws of robotics, which are also hierarchical,
and that the first one establishes everything and the later
ones build off that. So maybe that's interesting. Yeah, So
maybe these are put in this order to build like

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you can't do you can't do this one unless you've
achieved ruling your passion's faith and tradition and all things
with that temperate reason. Exactly, if you don't have that down,
then your courts and your laws are gonna be all
kinds of messed up. Right. Yeah, Let's consider, for example,
many practitioners of various religions that have a legal system

(55:59):
encoded in that religion will consider that religions um that
religion's legal system the only true, fair and just rule
of law. Even if it's a religion that says destroy nonbelievers,
that'll they'll just seem like fair and just. But it
doesn't seem so if you're not ruling, you know, tempered

(56:20):
things with reason. And obviously I think the guide Stones
architects would take exception to that. Now, the United Nations
existed in the eighties, right when when the guide Since
were being built, but the International Criminal Court did not
exist until the Rome Statute in the late nineties and

(56:41):
only became active in the early two thousands. So we
could say that if this um, we could say that,
if we're protecting people and nations, that the International Criminal
Court is a step forward in that direction. So that's progress. However,
people's will argue back and forth over whether dear National

(57:03):
Criminal Court a works there's be effective and the US
is not a signatory and probably never will be. Do
you feel like some of this is a comment on
the state of the United Nations and like how to
make it better, sort of a critique of it not
being all that it's cracked up to be. I think
think it's in support of it. Um. I feel like

(57:25):
it's definitely. I think they see parts of the United
Nations as a model. I think it's a mix, But
I don't think they believe in the United Nations specifically.
They believe in some sort of peaceful global enterprise. Um.

(57:46):
The word enterprise, for instance, makes you know what they
believe in. It sounds like a Star Trek world. You
know how in the world of Star Trek Earth is utopian.
That's why I'm so on defense about all this eugenic stuff. Mean,
I read some passages from the book, and there is
some language in here that is a little bit troubling,
But at the same time, it's just not in line

(58:08):
with so many of the other precepts. So many of
them seem to be focusing on peace and harmony, and
you know, being one with nature as we'll get to,
you know. So, I just I I don't know that
I believe that Mr Christian was in fact into the
idea of of killing off a huge percentage of the population.

(58:32):
I think it was more of a after the bomb's
false scenario, how do we deal with those that survive?
How do we create a society that will encourage reason
over you know, hysteria and paranoia and you know, killing
your brother to get something better for yourself, that kind

(58:53):
of thing. And if you want to go dystopian with it,
then maybe the eugenics at that point, post apocalyptic n
X would be a matter of survival, right. Maybe there
are certain um mutations or deficiencies that occur, like exposure
to long long term exposure intergenerational to radiation may mean

(59:15):
that only certain people can or should um breed or
viruses like Zeka, you know, if it, yeah, somehow travels
through a line, then yeah, that I mean, that's that's
a really good point. And then also we have to
think maybe they were writing by committee, you know what
I mean, maybe just like the Founding Fathers had different aims.
Maybe there was just one guy there who was super

(59:38):
into eugenics and they said, okay, well you have to
help us build these stones. We'll put a little in
there just before we get too far away from the
International Criminal Court. I don't know if you guys saw
the news today that Russia withdrew from the International Criminal Court,
and earlier this year in several African states withdrew from
the International Criminal Court. It's weird see the International Criminal

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Court losing sway with with parts of the world right now. Yeah,
and that brings us to the next precept, which is
let all nations rule internally, resolving external disputes in a
world court. So on paper, we talked about the i
c C and other international systems that help resolve international issues. However,

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one thing that's not mentioned in the guidestones precepts at
all is the rise of corporate entities and the fact
that in numerous situations now, especially with Virginy legislation like
the t p P Trans Pacific Partnership, what we're seeing
is that some external corporations are able to affect the

(01:00:47):
internal functions of state actors of countries, you know, And
we don't need to go to court man with the country.
We'll just have a tribunal, uh, separately on our own.
It'll be fine. You don't have to worry about it.
And there's no question that numerous countries since before the
nineteen eighties and then after the nineteen eighties have been
interfering with the internal functions of other other states. The

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US is an extreme example. The US has interfered legally
and illegally and in gray areas in multiple countries throughout
the world. And not to say the US is the
only person, the only entity doing this. Russia has done
the same with crimea right in the Ukraine. China has
famously done the same with the expansion in what's called

(01:01:34):
the South China. See basically, the superpowers do it. Yeah,
the superpowers do it do We live in a world
where might is right. The architects of the guide stones
are arguing that we should not, But so far we
haven't made as much progress on that one. And then
here's the one that remember earlier we said, uh, we
said that we don't agree with the idea that these

(01:01:57):
are not of a political nature. Absolutely, what what do
you think with What do you think of this next one?
It's it's probably the most middle finger precept of the bunch.
I would say avoid petty laws and useless officials. I
read that, I thought, what happened. It's like a mic
drop right there. You know, it feels like it's personal, right,

(01:02:22):
like somebody in the committee or whoever came up with
these didn't like somebody who was either in charge of
his group that he is with, and he wrote this one.
I think he wrote it on purpose for one person. Well,
if we consider Congress a group of officials, then the
American public certainly ranks them as largely useless. I mean,

(01:02:43):
their approval numbers are in the tank. Yeah, I mean,
not to mention petty. I mean it's it's it's all
of this, you know, back and forth. I'm going to
block anything that you could possibly want to do, you know,
if it kills me. I mean, it's not even about grass,
it's about winning. Yeah, it's about progress of the party,

(01:03:04):
not of the country. Yeah, you know what I didn't
think about that. You're absolutely right, that is petty. And
what makes a law petty? What makes an official useless? Uh? No,
I think you had the best answer for that, um,
But a lot of our listeners are going to have
very different answers depending on political opinions. That's the point.
It's another very open ended one here. So this is
all about like how you look at it and who

(01:03:27):
you think is use you know, I mean, and it
all depends on whether they're doing something for you or
not a lot of time. And like Matt pointed out
at the very beginning, Uh, since they are anonymous, we
don't have a way to contact them and say, hey,
what's up with that one? Who did you write this about?

(01:03:48):
In a specific congress person? And the other one balancing
personal rights with social duties? The next pre step seems
like it's an argument for good citizenship. Um, you know, voting, pain,
taxes and so on. If that's the case, well we
haven't made that much progress either. Voting rates remain laughably low. Uh.
The US elected a president who bragged about never paying

(01:04:09):
taxes and you know whether you support that, uh that
president elect or not. Um. It also seems largely legal,
but it's also completely true. So what is what is
the conflict between a personal right and a social duty?
That feels little open ended to me because your social

(01:04:30):
duties vary depending upon the community or the or the
civilization in which you live. To me, though, this is
almost like a socialist kind of thing, sounding like or
even you can go as far as saying communists. It's saying,
you know, for the greater good, I will give up
my personal rights for the greater good of the community.
I see, it is my social duty to limit my

(01:04:54):
personal freedoms for the greater good. That's just how it
sounds to me. I don't know about you guy. To me,
that sounds very star trek, And I know that may
sound counterintuitive to a lot of people literally needs of
the many. Well, yeah, but if you think about the
way the enterprise function, Oh wow, I sound like such
a dork. Okay, I'm gonna keep going. You think about

(01:05:14):
what all of the inhabitants of the enterprise got to do.
I mean, there was a holidack where you could, I guess,
give us let off some steam or something like that.
But in the in the interactions amongst all of the
crew members, you had to be very straightforward, very I
mean even keel. Like, nobody is going off the handle,

(01:05:35):
having a fight or getting super super drunk. It just
doesn't happen because they're greater duties, your paced, your passion, faith,
your tradition, all things with that temperate reason you know,
not flying off the handle, keeping it cool and calm
and collected. I feel like this is another one that
speaks both to a system of government that could impose

(01:05:55):
this kind of thinking on you, and also just to
this is just how you should be a a guy, good,
good gal, good good human citizen. You know, I think
that it can be seen both ways, as as many
of these can. We're getting down to it now, guys.
I know we've been at this for a minute. This
is probably our longest ever episode, but let's soldier forth. Yeah,
we just had a few more. This is the This

(01:06:17):
is the most open ended prize, truth, beauty, love, seeking,
harmony with the infinite? Who has the closest me that
is the closest thing to God in this entire affair,
because it's it's It's made a lot of effort to
be very secular, as we talked about, it really does.
Even in that letter I read from Mr Christian, he

(01:06:37):
talks about how they purposely left out any specific mention
of a religion of a god, and none is there.
And you know, um, I know atheists that still think
about the idea of the universe or the idea of
the something some force that moves through things. That is

(01:07:01):
sort of what one might consider calling God. And and
and this is the reference there, I think when seeking
harmony with the infinite. Yeah, it seems like it's an
argument of some sort of secular, meditative approach to being
self aware of your place in the universe. Right, how
could you be mad about that? It would be my
my response. But it brings us to speaking of harmony

(01:07:23):
the infinite. The very last one and one of the
most important, and I would say crucial for our time.
Be not a cancer on the earth. Leave room for nature,
Leave room for nature. Yeah, twice, says it, twice in
a row. There, it's the last one. Yeah. Um, I

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gotta say this. This one hits home for me a
little bit. I think maybe I listened to too much
Joe Rogan, uh, at least back in the day, like
two thousand twelve Joe Rogan where he discusses flying in
a plane over cities as opposed to flying over natural areas,
wooded areas, mountain ranges, stuff like that. And I'm paraphrasing

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Rogan here, but he's just saying, which one of those
looks like a tumor when you're that high up and
you're looking down on the Earth itself if you imagine
it as a living being. The tumor is the city
with all this jagged, nasty metal shooting up out of it.
And then you've got streams and water running over here
with these with plants and animals running around and all that.

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I don't know, I feel that, I feel that, I
feel like we may be really bad for this planet
as a species. Well, you know, the Earth is uh,
the Earth is definitely in the age of man, the anthroposyne. Uh.
The Earth was covered by approximately fourteen point eight billion

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acres of forest about eight thousand years ago. Has a
repercussion of human exploitation. Only about eight point six billion
remain in the highest rates of DeForest. The sition occurred
during the last fifty years from nineteen to Brazil alone
lost over ninety one million acres of rainforest um During

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the time of the Guide Stones construction, Earth was already
undergoing what is called a global mass extinction, and it
continues today at a break neck pace. And this is
not a what is it. This is not like a
Sierra Club uh pea score green piece lecture. This is

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just these are facts, but that kind of thinking was
very popular in nineteen seventy nine and nineteen eighty. You know,
this idea of conservation I remember, you know, recycle, reduced
reuse um. I mean, this was in the early nineties,
even for me. But I think a lot of that
stuff began around that time, and it was kind of
sort of entering the public consciousness a little more than

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it had. People were accepting that maybe all this industrialization
isn't the best thing in the whole world, you know,
especially with how unevenly it has occurred in parts of
the world. And then furthermore, sometimes people reject an environmentalist
argument out of hand, which is clearly this is an
environmentalist argument. The last part leave room for nature. However,

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there's another bent that a lot of people don't consider,
which is the biotechnological part human beings. The more we
are learning as scientists and as inventors, the more we
are learning about the natural world, the more we are
learning that our best technology just imitates a concept that
already exists there. So when things go extinct, or when
systems become corrupt or defunct or they don't function, what

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we are losing is the best functioning technology on the planet.
And it is not within our capability to replace it
after a certain point. So if someone is bothered by
if someone's like the rainforest is abstract, that doesn't matter.
That doesn't affect the price of breakfast, cereal or whatever.

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Don't think of it that way. Think of it as
a computer, but that a computer that you can't fix,
a machine that you can't create enough replacement parts for.
Think of that breaking and think of it more like, um,
the way you would think of being on a boat

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in the open water and the engine is slowly breaking
down and the whole is disintegrating, and you start to
realize that you can swim for a little bit, but
not forever. I mean, at our best, at the height
of you know, the human races intellect and ability to innovate,

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Have we even really come close to matching a system
like the rainforest or you know, like the way weather works.
Have we figured out how to harness that? No, not
even close, you know? And I think that's that's a
that's pretty forward thinking, um of the creators of this
monument to put that in Uh, And it's true right now,

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I think than than ever and now we can we
can say that the time of the recording. Uh, the
guide stones still exists. They're except for the drive there.
Once you get there is very easy to access. There's
no there's no one who will stop you from They

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are monitored. There are cameras and those were only put
up after so many attempts to tear the things down
and vandalize them. And I think they are periodically still
you know, hit with with spray paint and things like that,
but they are very quickly repaired. Someone's actively funds, actively
funding them and monitoring them. But you know, you're not

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being watched per se, you know. I mean, it's you
can go there and just enjoy them. It's a very
peaceful place just out on this field, just a very
small narrow state road. You just hear the occasional sound
of a car are whistling past, and it's an interesting
place to go and just kind of collect your thoughts
and um, it's been a lot of fun talking about

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it with you guys, that's for sure. Well. It's also
actively visited still. When we were there, several families came
with children to explore it and look at it and
go through it, but not a ton right there for
a while, and there were maybe you know two or
three other people that came. No, there were I think
I counted eight the second day that we were in

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there groups is what I mean. I guess I got
that came together, you know. So it's not like you
go and it's just teeming with people. But you can
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has no all pointed out, probably the longest single episode
we've ever done. But we hope that you enjoyed this
look at the look at the guidestones in depth and
on behalf of it. Not to speak too much for us, Matt,
but on behalf of the other two parts of the show,
I want to thank you for giving us and giving

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the audience such a um, such an unheard of look
behind the screen of the official story regarding the Georgia guidestones. Yeah,
and the one point that I didn't even mentioned is um.
And if you guys are interested in anybody wants to
see the little documentary and may be glad to shoot

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out a link, I'm at exist um. But Mr Martin
gave me all of the documents that he had that
he basically just wanted to unburden himself with this thing,
so he gave me everything that he had that didn't
point to Mr Christian's true identity and everything else we

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destroyed you wait, you destroyed? Well, he did, and I
filmed it what and that's actually in the film if
you want to see it spoiler alert, but it's I
think it's important to know that he's the only one
that knows he is not going to be around for
too much longer. He has passed away. Robert Christian, he did,

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he didn't. He did say that much. He was he
was called by his daughter. Oh another thing to just
want to mention the last thing, Uh, this was a
family affair. Mr Mr Martin did tell me that much
that this was this group. He represented that many of
them were his family members using what Yeah, and I

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