May 16, 2018 • 53 mins
Despite diligent, time-consuming efforts by institutions across the planet, human beings have yet to find any universally-accepted proof of extraterrestial life. For many, this is a simple function of the math involved -- the universe is just too large for us to plausibly meet creatures from another planet. But according to several fringe researchers, we're just looking in the wrong place. We should focus, they argue, not on life from other planets... but on life from other dimensions. Listen in to learn more about the strange story of the Ultraterrestrial theory.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is
riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or
learn the stuff they don't want you to know. M Hello,
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welcome back to the show. My name is Matt, my
name is Nolan. They call me Ben. We are joined
with our super producer Paul Decant. Most importantly, you are here.
You are you that makes this stuff they don't want
you to know, regardless of where or when you are
tuning in. Oh boy, this one is a doozy. It's
very strange topic. It's something that we have received multiple
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request about over the years, YouTube comments, three am tweets
and uh and so on. If it's a concept tool topic,
it's one of those that we do those every once
in a while where you really have to open your
mind and to go on a journey through several different
hoops before you can really get to the concept. And
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that's what we're going to do today. We're going on
a journey. Oh this is a full on journey, and
sign up for a journey. We're just gonna sit here
at the table. We're already moving just in directions we
cannot perceive. That would be the argument here most of
us have heard strange stories about extraterrestrials, Aliens Ufo Roswell Crash,
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Eric von Danikin's sort of stuff about ancient aliens building civilization,
and the idea is usually they came from somewhere beyond
the Solar system, which will also hear stuff like the
ancient Lunar inhabitants or an old civilization on Mars, a
physical place that they are traveling from on some type
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of ship or in some manner like them, and whether
or not you leave in the stories of extraterrestrial contact,
there's no denying that it's been a conversation or an
angry debate that humanity has been having for a long
long time, with varying iterations, which will see in folklore
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today as well over the centuries. Loads of researchers, scads
of academics what's another name for a group of people, um,
multitudes of mystics right, and of scholars. Yes, yes, they've
all argued, with varying degrees of credibility for or against
these possibilities and the claims for the existence of intelligent,
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non Earth based life. These claims typically take several forms. Uh. First,
there's the basic idea that these things do exist and
have contacted humanity or Earth, either in the ancient past,
whether that's in the early days of human or pre
human civilization, or even before humans entirely, you know, like
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the elder things in all the HP Lovecraft stories and
the seating of humanity. Yeah. And the other side of
this would be that this contact occurred in the recent
past or currently through accident like the popular legend of
the Roswald Crash, or through design where these aliens said, hey,
we like what you all have going on. For one
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reason or another, we're just gonna we're just gonna drop
on in, get in where we fit in, or perhaps
even influence us in one way or or another as
a human civilization. Yeah, here's how to farm morons, right,
Here's here's how to take the thoughts that occur in
your head and put them on the physical plane so
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that people can hear from you when you're dead. I
would just hope that they would see from afar that,
you know, we have a tendency to kind of be
jerks and kill everything. Maybe it's be a good idea
to stay away, and maybe it's something they want to
nip in the bud Well, that's cool too. That's we'll
take all the help we can get. Or maybe it's
something that all intelligent life goes through almost a stage
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of development, sure, like a sort of universal adolescents, like
I don't know, the terrible Two's right, yeah, two millions
time is a flat circle, my friends, Oh boy, we're
falling into and around it. The second idea that about
alien life would be as as Matt mentioned earlier, that
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extraterrestrials have either seeded life on Earth or somehow modified
existing animal life as we recognize it today. Personally, my
favorite example of this, and I think the most plausible
one is this theory we've talked about, which is a
fascinating idea which just a terrible name. Pans Spermia. Yeah,
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pans spermia, And so you can pause and do some
puns if you need to, folks, and we'll come back
in pan Spermia is the idea that life here, all
life here on our planet, was seated not by an
intelligent extraterrestrial life, but by microbes that were super hardy
and able to tolerate the hazards of space, and they
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were attached to a common or other heavenly object that
just crashed here. I could see that as being the
genesis for all human life. I mean, I'm picturing, you know,
the beginnings of this crazy thing we call humanity is
being like a little tiny particles and microbes. I could
totally see them in water bears. Oh yeah, yeah, it's
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so cute. It's degrades and indestructible, right, pretty much like
they can, like you know, who survive for long periods
of time with with no oxygen in space radiation? Bring
it on the Yeah, they're the energizer buddy of you
know what. I'm going to give up on this one,
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the cosmos. There we go, Thank you all, because just
to peek behind the curtain here, uh tried to make
that reference and I had to stop and off air.
Ask you guys, which battery it was? Sure? It wasn't
dur Cell bunny. Did dur Cell even have a cute
little spokes thing? It's just the copper top. Really, it's
a little dull. Then they would have updated that by
now ever, already had a creature, didn't they, I want
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to say, a dinosaur. I feel like all products should
have some uh some animal mascot that's disturbing and its implications.
Like there's a grocery store chain here in the southeastern
part of the United States called Piggly Wiggly. You may
not be familiar with this if you have not spent
time in this neck of the Global woods, but the
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Piggly Wiggly mascot is a pig that's really into killing pigs.
And in one of its original iterations, it was cutting
itself too. Yes, and that's just normal. That has nothing
to do with today's show. That's just how people perceive
and portray things. That's just how it is here in
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the South. Another way that it could just be is
that somehow, for some reason, aliens were they were the
ones who actually planted the seed and altered the DNA
of existing life on Earth to create intelligent life somehow,
some way. Okay, so the idea there is maybe life
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was already present in some form with an extraterrestrial arrived
and then they said, hey, let's go back through the
genetic code and punch things up a little bit. Yeah,
Or there was some type of interbreeding that occurred between
species that existed and whatever alien species. This was that
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one as high you know, as a highly just as
difficult to grasp as all of these are, and as
implausible as some of them might be, that one, to
me is just not even a thing. You don't think so,
because people who were proponents of this would are you
that all the stories of ancient travelers from Afar, like
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the Nephelum, for instance, breeding with the human population. They
would argue that that is a coded translation of some
true events. Yeah, I think it's just what we know
about how difficult it is for any type of cross
breeding just from terrestrial species. Um it seems as though
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maybe they had perfected the science of it, but I
I highly doubt that. And then one of the big
assumptions would be that there is some there would be
some kind of commonality or closeness such that you could
exchange or modify genes. We know technically that it's possible
to make a so called human z there's not heart
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proof that anyone did it for a variety of understandable reasons,
but events but again fairly closely related species. And then
there's the third category of theories about our opinions about
extraterrestrial contact with Earth, right, And that's the idea that
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intelligent life has to exist somewhere um, whether it's at
the same time as intelligent life exists here on Earth
or somewhere in the past. And if by some strange coincidence,
some chance, we are the first intelligent life, other examples
are going to pop up somewhere sometime after we blip out. Yeah,
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somewhere after our world ends, not with a bang, but
with a whimper, there will be Yeah, there will be
another civilization or another form of intelligent life that also
grows up as a latchkey kid in the universe. And
wonders are we alone? And why not? Man? It makes
like I guess we're talking about earlier with the water
bears and the you know, just the weird primordial google
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that we get us. Why is what makes us so
special that it only happened for us? I don't know,
Like I really I'm asking. It's a great question. Yeah,
that's a great question, like this this idea really get
to work on answering that. But while we're in the
process of getting ourselves together, we do know that this
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concept that extraterrestrial life definitely, did, does, or will exist
is based on pretty solid understanding of the universe, which,
although it is negligible is terrifying and nihilistic in uh
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in its persuasiveness. Well, yeah, because you're looking at just
the sheer size of the universe itself, how many billions
of galaxies there are, and all of the stars and
those galaxies and all the planets that go around those stars.
And then you also imagine how long it took for
intelligent life to arise on the Earth. If if you're thinking, okay,
the Earth is over four and a half billion years old,
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it took x amount of time for humans to arrive
in some form or another, at least neandertals, and a
little before that the documented forms of intelligence that we have.
It takes a long time for life to spring on
a planet and then to become intelligent. And also, we
have no points, at least our understanding. We have no
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point at which time solidly stops. We have some ideas
about when things might get kind of screwy and and
we might find a shamalan esque twist in time, But
for now, we understand that the universe is huge, there's
a vast span of time available for intelligent life to arise.
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We're in something pretty similar to an infinite monkey's infinite
typewriter situation, which leads us, of course, to the Fermi paradox,
the terrifying question, Well, if it is almost statistically certain
that some other intelligent life form exists, why haven't we
heard anything, you know? And then that's when you get
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into the distances problem, and then you get into the
physics problems about being able to travel such distances to
actually meet the other intelligent species. Yeah, the same rough
math assuring us that extraterrestrial sentient life has, does, or
will exist, also almost certainly guarantees we will never ever,
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ever ever meet them. Like two candles burning on opposite
shores of the Pacific rim, we will never detect the
light of another civilization. Full stop. Wow, that's a downer,
but never fear. Today's episode proposes an alternative, and it's
one you might not have heard before, folks. I know
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I'd never heard it before. Well you will hear it
after this quick break. Here are the facts we have
to We have to look, maybe not in space, but
in other dimensions. And what's a dimension? A basis what
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we mean when we say dimensions are we're describing the
different facets of what we perceive to be reality and
all of us are familiar with at least three of
the main ones, right, the main ones to us. And then,
of course, you know, we'll we'll add a fourth one
on the way. But let's walk through it before it
gets super just super weird. Okay, we'll start at one.
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Let's call the first dimension length picture a line. It's
just an X axis and that's it, got it. The
second dimension is the other axis, the y. Let's call
it width, and our one dimensional line in a two
D perspective, Um, it suddenly has a discernible like a
wideness to it. If you've got these two lines, you
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can make a box like a height. Right. Yeah, and
now at this point we can imagine a two dimensional
object like a square, rectangle of circle. The third dimension
is null. Yes, I am that third dimension, the notorious
z access the wild card, which we will call depth
for our purposes here. Uh, Now, our line is raised
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from the ground or it's descending into the ground. It
can curve both toward and away from our perception. Now
we can imagine objects like spheres or cubes exactly. So
we've got three dimensions. Now, this is how we interact
with the world. If you look at a table. Oh,
look at that. It's got length, width, and depth. I'm
I'm doing it. I'm doing it right. I've got three dimensions.
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We're okay, we're getting enough to seem but why stop there? Right,
Let's go to the fourth dimension. Time. This governs the
property of all known matter at any given point. And
so now we can imagine how long this cube or
sphere has existed in a certain spot, and we can
understand the difference between when it was in one position
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and when it moves to another place. And we need
all four of these dimensions captain planeting up together for
us to plot the position of an object in space. Yes,
a physical three dimensional object that exists at a time. Yeah,
makes sense. Right, I got that? All right, I'm so
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with you. Come on board. But it doesn't stop there.
I'm not ready. I don't know if anyone is. Man.
We were promised a journey. Well, it's a journey that
goes deep, deep into the deepest, darkest places that exist.
Describe them to be mad. Well, okay, let's let's start.
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Let's start here. You've got the three dimensional objects right.
In this case, let's say the three dimensional object is
actually a place like a kind of a place and
thing like the shipping container that we're inside of right now.
We're yes, like the shipping and container. But let's imagine
we're at a small pond okay now, and we're just
gonna zoom deep into this pond. Right So, first, as
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you're going in, you see the pond itself, You see
the water, You see the bottom of where the pond is,
where the water is sitting on top of it, and
we just go deep in there, and then you're gonna
see if you get deep enough, you're gonna see that
inside that water that looks clear to you is actually
full of these microorganisms. And then you keep going into
the microorganism, then you see it's made up of all
these proteins, complex proteins. And then you keep going down
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into one of those proteins and you see that it's
actually made out of atoms. And then you see those
atoms are made out of elementary particles like corks and
leptons and bosons. And this area that we get into
is what this entire subject is about. Once you get
that deep down into what in an object in existence is.
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If you want a simulation of what Matt just described,
there's a pretty amazing aim called everything. Yes, if you
play this, it's literally you can do what you just described.
You can zoom from one layer to another like meta
as well, just like you know you're you can be
in a pond. You can go from to the micro
level to the macro level, and you can birth new
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universes and join them together and make them dance with
each other. It's pretty fantastic. But do you end up
really understanding it after you play it? I feel like
you get a sense of scale time, sense of scale.
It's very zen. It's a very like nothing really happens,
or yet everything kind of happened. I don't know, it's
it's it's a cool game. Though it's meditative. I would say,
that's what I really That's why I really dig about it.
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And man, now I have to go play it again.
It's such an excellent recommendation. So right, according to particle physicists,
the world as we understand it is defined in terms
of these elementary particles match just described. You will also
hear them called fundamental particles. These, according to that idea,
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are the smallest things in the universe, or at the
very least they're the smallest things we can actually see
because we're using some form of energy to communicate their
presence and their properties to us. Right, And this is
our technology only allows us to go to this hard limit.
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But what if it doesn't stop there. This is where
we want to introduce you to one of the world's
most widely misunderstood theories, the thing that has put checks
in the mailbox of sci fi screenwriters across the planet,
and that is the superstring theory. You'll hear this mention
in many stories describing a parallel universe. Right. For instance,
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a show like Fringe would would have something like that. Right, friends, Yeah, friends,
just think about it, think about it, really, think about it.
What's what's going on with Ross dinosaur expert? Are you
kidding me? Not likely? I think there was one episode
where they just described instead of like a paleontologist, they
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said dinosaur expert. I've only seen two episodes of Friends.
Someone should do a parody of Friends where it's like
a mash up of friends and friends and there's like
alternate realities of friends where they're all kind of like,
you know, the different, great different. One of jay Z's
new songs, isn't It based the video that was made
for it is based on in all African American cast
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of Friends, and like what that wouldn't what that would imply?
And then what the main actor is going through from
a societal level, from a personal level, like, what does
it mean that I'm doing this? That sounds heavy? It's incredible?
No one on Friends really suffers. Yes, and Paul, our
producers just informed me that the song is called Moonlight.
Paul the ghost in the Machine decade and who knows.
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As we'll see in this argument, it might be quite
possible that the situation portrayed in the song Moonlight exists,
just not in a way that we can current see it.
So what if? String theorists propose? What if, like the
folks in Inception, we need to go deeper and smaller
than current technology allows. Originally, the idea was this that
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each of these fundamental particles we see leptons, Boston, and
so on, actually contains a tiny, one dimensional loop of
vibrating string or just an open string. It's something that's
just wiggling, and the vibration determines the charge and mass
of this greater particle. As the theory evolved, scientists introduced
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the idea of something called brains, B, R, A, and
E S short for membranes higher dimensional objects that will
talk about in a second. And here's here's the point,
the crux of string theory for our purposes today. The
proponents of string theory believe that there are more than
four dimensions, and additional dimensions are curled up in these tiny,
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complicated shapes that can only be seen at an infinitesimal scale.
And if we could possibly shrink to this tiny plank
sized scale, the smallest scale current technology allows for measuring stuff,
we could see that at every three D point in
space or four D you can say we could explore
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another six dimensions. And that's right. Depending on the variety
or model of string theory we're talking here, there can
be way more than three or four dimensions. We're talking
anywhere from ten in superstring theory. Yeah. And if you
want to take a look to kind of get your
mind wrapped around this a little better, if there's it
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was it wolf from Alpha I guess it's become something
else now, um members dot wolf from dot com you
can find let's see, it's a Jeff Bryant visualization of
calloby yao shape. What this would look like to us. Yeah, exactly. Um,
you can just search for or C A L A B, I,
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dash y a U shape and you should be able
to find it. It's fascinating and my mind is kind
of wrapping around it, but not quite so, Matt, how
would you describe that shape that you're looking at? Well,
it has these shapes rotating so that you can get
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a sense of what you're looking at. But it's almost
like interconnecting. Um, like an interconnected freely object that looks
as though it's a bunch of different circles that are
then kind of placed at strange angles together and then
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moving together but at different axis. So it's dynamic. It's
completely dynamic, and it is strange. And again it doesn't
quite compute because I'm so not used to imagine anything
outside of those four dimensions that we've described, and possibly
we're incapable at this point. Right. There are other theories
like m theory attempts to unite a couple of different
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models and it posits that there are eleven dimensions. And
there's basonic string theory that says, you know what, let's
double down, let's get real over the top and supersize
it and say that there are twenty six total dimensions.
And one of the reasons that there are so many
dimensions and a lot of these theories is that the
models don't match up with current models, and in order
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to try and get them to match up better with
with the current status quo of science, they're they're like, oh,
well it would work if there were this many dimensions,
right right, yeah, exactly, And that's that's a concise explanation.
So modeling spacetime with extra dimensions makes it more mathematically
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conceivable and makes it consistent. But you know what, what,
we don't have to stop there. Let's look into it
a little further. What do the dimensions begin to look
like past number four, past time, what other measuring sticks,
what do we encounter? Well, according to superstring theory, the
fifth and sixth dimensions, or where we begin to see
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those alternate possible worlds we always hear about in science fiction,
right yeah, yeah, yeah, this is the fringe stuff, right right,
So what what would this look like? Well, in the
fifth dimension, we'd see a world only slightly different from
our own. Um that would give us kind of a
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way of measuring the similarity and differences objectively, because they'd
be subtle, right, Okay, Yeah, yeah, we have sort of
a yard stick by which to compare other things. And
it probably wouldn't immediately break your brain too. Yeah, we
wouldn't immediately have your hair go gray and one of
your eyes explode. It would be kind of a Marty McFly,
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you know, situation, rather than yes, like a due to
the end of pet cemetery situation. I like that. I
find that comforting. That's a place that I would want
to visit, provided the it was still similar enough for
us to live in terms of like breathable air and
you know, we all get nourishment from the same basic stuff. Yeah,
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then you get to the sixth sixth dimension. Is that
where it gets crazy? I feel like it is. This
is where it's almost the god perspective, where you can
see all of the possible different planes almost laid out
in front of you of how this earth, this area
that we're in, wherever whatever positionally we are in in
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the universe, all of the different options after the Big
Bang conceivably so the same starting point. Yeah, you you
start at the same point. This is where you are
now since that starting point in all the different iterations
and there are an infinite number of them. So if
you imagine looking at your iPhone and being able to
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see them and just scrolling, just scrolling forever basically at
all the different things. And what's fascinating about that is
if that is somehow true, then this means it would
theoretically be possible to travel back in time or go
to different futures, right, go to more than one future possibility.
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And then in the seventh dimension you have access to
the possible worlds that start with different initial conditions. So
a universe that doesn't start with something exactly like the
Big Bang, right, which is mind boggling. What would that
be like in the in the fifth and sixth dimensions? Again,
as as Nolan Matt pointed out, the starting point was
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the same, and later down the line down the dimension
of time, things occurred in different sequences. But here everything
since the very very very very very beginning has been
different and just probably gets probably continues to become more different.
I'm trying to imagine it again. If I'm looking at
my iPhone. Um, so if we're in the sixth dimension
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and we're just scrolling through everything that maybe is in
this folder or something, I feel like the seventh dimension
is pulling out a folder or to see the next
subroute folders, where each one of those you could look
into and see the sixth dimension. Does that make sense? Yeah,
that's not bad. That's not bad comparison, So what happens
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in the eighth dimension. If you'll, if you'll notice, if
you'll notice, listeners, the anti keeps upping with each new
dimension on the eighth dimension. Um, we again get that
god mode view of possible universe histories, Um, each of
which begins with different initial conditions and branches out into infinity. Yeah,
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so we're our minds are are shattered at this point,
they're floating around and then in the ether. So these
are these are increasing, The possibilities are increasing by an
enormous step with each movement up or down the dimensional plane.
I mean, that's enough for me, But here's dimension number
nine for everyone who just wants to keep going in
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the ninth dimension. Again, if this was true, we could
theoretically compare all possible universe histories starting with all the
different possible laws of physics. So a reality that just
does not work like ours, which is a real tall order,
especially when we consider that we don't fully understand the
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physics of our own universe. Yeah, and you know, not
to get into our meat bodies observing this somehow. You're right,
that's gonna be one heck of an iPhone. Yeah. Yeah,
you probably have to get it on iPad at the
very least. Yeah, or the I think, which was longtime
(29:02):
listeners will recognize an illumination global unlimited product to them.
They're still around, don't worry about it. Yeah, we haven't
heard the last of them. That's all we can say.
In the tenth and final dimension, now we're at the
point where everything that is possible, everything is imaginable, is
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we've taken care of. It's covered. And now, according to physicists,
beyond that point, or according to physicists who ascribe to
this number of dimensions, beyond that point, nothing can really
be imagined by us, and it becomes a natural limitation
to our ability to imagine things. But as we established earlier,
some models of this sort of theory argue that even
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more dimensions exist. So if that is true, if we
were only conceiving or perceiving four of si dimensions, why
can't we see the other two? Well? One theoretical explanation
is called compactification. It's the idea that the other dimensions
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are in some way folded down into this complex structure
that somehow prevents us from seeing them, kind of like
looking at a piece of paper directly from the side.
If does this makes sense, it's so thin it is
very difficult to discern a piece of paper directly from
the side. You would see that thin line, even though
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the paper has all kinds of unperceived surface area that
you just can't make out because of your position in
space time. In that case, it makes it sound almost
like an optical illusion. Oh in some ways, or in
a maybe just an inability to observe We just lacked
the hardware, I guess. Yeah. And then there's the other idea.
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The brain that we mentioned earlier short for membrane. This
would be a higher order dimensional object that can have
any number of dimensions take your pick. This in string
theory is considered a fundamental object, the same way that
a lepton would be considered a fundamental object and particle physics,
and some physicists explain our inability to perceive these dimensions
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by saying that maybe the problem isn't just us. Maybe
what's happened is that our universe is itself a three
dimensional brain and we are stuck within a larger dimensional space.
And this is an idea you had brought up before, Matt,
the I guess simulation hologrammatic universe. Yeah, that the proof
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if if this was some sort of simulation, everything that
we perceive, everything that we've ever touched or observed, is
actually just a computer of some sort working in whatever this. Uh.
If it strings, even these strings, are just the bits
or the particles or the pixels, um, maybe that would
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that would make a lot of sense if that were true.
Maybe at this point there's no solid proof of this theory.
The debate rages on. But here's the thing. A lot
of the math actually works out. By adding these extra
dimensions to calculations. UH, scientists are able to get closer
to functional a functional quantitative understanding or theoretical understanding. UH.
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Scientists have yet to nail down the famous, should I say,
fabled unified theory of everything. Our compatriot Josh Clark from
Stuff you Should Know as working on a project that
has him talking to a lot of particle physicists, and
his takeaway has largely been it's kind of a throw
stuff at the wall and see what sticks kind of situation,
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like with economists even but yet you it's the stakes
are so high. It's really interesting because at some point
it has to become theoretical because by observing anything with
whatever waves or lasers, whatever type of wave, we shoot
at something to observe it at that tiny level, we
are affecting it because though it's being pummeled by a wave,
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and you're no longer just looking at something, you are
physically touching it with something. And how can you know
what's down there if you can't make a wave small
enough to touch it. So you have to come up
with ideas. You literally are theorizing. So I mean, you're right,
it's throwing stuff against the wall. But it's definitely the
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best minds out there. Simplification. I guess it just means
to Ben's point, no one's really figured it out and equivocally,
and to your point, it's doubtful that they ever will.
I don't know what do you guys think. I don't
see how you can figure it out at this point.
And it's one of the things that I've heard before
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I always found interesting was the idea that at a
certain point, when you get close enough to the bleeding
edge of thought on questions like this, it comes very
close to an article of faith. The smartest people amongst
us are using all of the knowledge accessible over thousands
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of years of civilization and going, oh gosh, I don't know, guys,
maybe this maybe I just like add another dimension. I
don't know. It's four thirty, it's Friday. I'm not at
all denigrating the work these people do. Looks like you say,
it's it's theoretical, But it's theoretical based on evidence. Yes,
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you know, it's not just a pure leap of faith.
But it's interesting how, you know, we see science as
the opposite of religion in many senses, and yet that
kind of big thinking does play into the stuff that
we're talking about. When I say big, I just mean
odd the universe. You know, what does it all mean?
(35:03):
Kind of stuff? I don't know. Yeah. Uh, the the
idea that there could be something larger that we could
or smaller or just different that we could understand despite
our cognitive and physical limitations, dimensional limitations. I don't know. Well,
here's the point. What if it's true? What if there
are in fact dimensions of this nature. If that is true,
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Frene researchers argue, then our first encounters with non earthbound
sentient life may not be from beyond the stars, but
beyond the dimensions comprising our perception of reality. Who yeah,
because imagine if you can observe some of those higher
level dimensions. Imagine if you can observe them and see
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through your iPhone or whatever device it is, you can
see them all and perhaps even be in a different
place than where you currently are. Yeah, that's like imagining
being dead. Yeah, my brain does not compute that. You know,
you're ever trying that experiment where you're like, what would
it be like to not exist? You can't do it. Well,
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we've found some people who believe they know the truth
about this, and we're going to discuss them right after
a quick break. Here's where it gets crazy. What if
instead of looking to outer space for intelligent life, we
focused on exploring these other dimensions ultra terrestrials instead of extraterrestrials. Yeah,
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say it again, ultra terrestrials, ultra terrestrials. It's true. It's
an idea that was proposed by a writer named John
Keel in the nineteen seventies, who was one of the
most widely read and influential ufologists of his time, and
he coined the term ultra terrestrial. Originally, he thought that
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what he saw as evidence of UFOs was a symptom
of extraterrestrial visitation. Physical aliens are somehow traveling to Earth
for some reason. Yeah, that's a ship that I'm observing
that it has physical, three dimensional space, And in time
he became increasingly distant from that view. He wrote a
book called UFOs Operation Trojan Horse in nineteen seventy and
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he pointed out something that is fascinating, I would argue true,
and he said that these descriptions of encounters with what
people perceived to be aliens or extraterrestrials, they often parallel
certain stories or legends in folklore or religious encounters from
very spiritual beliefs. And that's that's true. You can see
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the correlation. You know, stories of alien abduction have similarities
to old legends of being abducted by the Faye or
you know, fairies or some mother's supernatural creature. But here's
where he went with it. He went somewhere different. He
didn't say, oh, what a fascinating folklore parallel. He said, Also,
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this perceived link meant something. Yeah, that this link, somehow
um indicated something more than a mere physical encounter between
us humans and whatever these unknown entities were. He used
this term ultra terrestrials to describe UFO occupants, the people
actually inside the ships, or the ones that were there
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that we were observing. Whatever physical form they took, he
believed them to be non human entities that were capable
of taking on whatever shape, whatever form, whatever thing that
they wanted to become. And it sounds, I'm just gonna say,
it sounds pretty damn crazy. Have you guys seen Annihilation yet? No? Yeah,
(38:54):
I read the story. I think the movie varies pretty
wildly from the book, but there there is there's a
theme in that film. For at risk of any spoilers,
I think you should if you're interested in this stuff,
you should watch that movie. All right, let's say, let's
do it right here. This is a spoiler alert. Skip
forward a few minutes. If you want to not hear
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about this movie, tell me about it, though, well, just
really briefly. I mean, it's about a consciousness that sort
of per like like travels to Earth on a meteor
and it's like this bacteria kind of thing like we
were talking about earlier. But it creates this zone where
d n A is transmittable like light waves, and if
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you're in the zone, your DNA is affected. You're constantly
mutating and everything is mutating because it's like scrambling d
n A. It's it's a little hard to explain, but
there is. It's basically it wants to assimilate us and
also kind of become us. And there's a whole theme
where it creates clones of people, but not unlike a
(39:57):
body snatcher's way, and a very existential kind of like
I don't know, it's it's it's it's a it's a
mind far alright, it's I really. I think Paul really
enjoyed it too, right, Yeah, which it's cool. Okay, Well,
now I don't have to see the movie. Now, saved
me some money, thanks dude. All right, spoilers complete see
(40:18):
the movie. Don't listen to Matt. If there were indeed
creatures from another dimension, we're getting pretty deep with our
assumptions here, But if there were indeed creatures from some
other plane, how would the average human being or how
would technology perceive these entities? What does a creature from
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the sixth dimension look like to those of us stuck
in the three to four dimensions that were so familiar
with This gets into again, I think we referenced there earlier,
but this gets into Lovecraft stuff so quickly it's imperceivable
to us. It's that utterly alien and it's fascinating. So
the idea is that they didn't They don't come from
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within our solar system like Mars. They don't come from
outside of our Solar system like a different galaxy or
just another one in the Milky Way. They are actually inhabitants,
were are in the far future, inhabitants of Earth somehow.
So it's like the upside Down and Stranger Things. Yeah,
that's a great comparison. It would be alternate world, an
(41:24):
alternate universe. Yeah, just to throw this in really fast,
Another fantastic film that I couldn't remember the name of
called Midnight Special, Thanks Paul, and it's directed by Jeff Nichols,
and it, spoiler alert, deals with this very thing beings
that they have always existed on Earth and still exist
on Earth, but they just exist in a different dimension.
(41:46):
And it can only be observed by someone who is
from that dimension. Anyway, watch the movie's really it's also
not forget about they live. You know, when you put
on a special glasses, you see the monsters from the
other demand. So we just mentioned that for sure. Yeah,
so this is definitely a thing that people have been
exploring for a long time, well after the seventies. Well
(42:09):
here's another here's another argument from kiel Is. He continues,
he believes that these creatures are somehow indigenous to Earth,
there have been here for some time, but inhabit a
dimension beyond time and physical matter, and that by shifting
up and down through dimensional planes, he says through he
(42:33):
ascribes it to electromagnetic activity. But in some unexplained way,
they can materialize dematerialize as they please, and he believes
that they can. They do have some sense of what
we would understand as morality. They could be good or evil,
but they seem to according to kill Uh, they seem
to be really into manipulating and tricking humanity. And he
(42:56):
argues that throughout different cultures and times and history, we've
called them things like gods or demons or spirits, fairies, monsters,
and encounters with these beings he says, have spawned entire religions,
so for completely different reasons or with completely different conclusions.
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He agrees with Folklore's to see modern stories of UFO
encounters as the current instance of this long running phenomenon.
But there's, you know, the huge question, the ten dimensional
dollar question here is if if this were true, then
what what what the heck is the motivation? Why would
(43:41):
these why would these things be here? What would they
want to do? Yeah, it seems like it would take
a tremendous amount of energy and currency. Probably, Well, it
just depends, I guess on how the technology and or
maybe maybe it's not even technology, maybe it's just some
level of conscious us. You you have to then theorize
(44:02):
about how they're actually shifting dimensions, right, because if it
costs a lot of money, you could you would compare
it to like NASA sending a shuttle up or you know,
SpaceX sending sending a rocket up, Like how expensive that
is to do something big like that? And then if
you're going to spend the energy to shift dimensions for
some reason, perhaps it costs that much money unless it's
(44:25):
some kind of innate ability that each one of these
creatures has. Yeah, like, if it's an innate ability would
be it would it be as simple as someone observing
in three dimensions just moving their hand toward or away
from their eyes. Well, yeah, and if it's that, then
the motivation could just be more like it's something that
(44:45):
I wanted to do or I thought this would be funny.
There's a quote from Keel wherein he describes the motivation
as part of a subtle cosmological system of control. It's
been in effect, it's the dawn of humanity. That's a
very vague statement as far as motivations go. It's also
(45:06):
very intriguing. Yeah, it does kind of make you want
to buy a book, and that's not a burn on
John Keel. That's that's probably just good marketing, right. But
it also, you know, you would wonder what again, that
doesn't really answer the question what is the end game?
Especially if this is, as Matt said, an expensive or
(45:27):
and or dangerous endeavor. Kill also believes this theory explains
why some geographical areas are home to more UFO reports.
He calls them window areas and he thinks he says
they are probably areas with magnetic anomalies and that this
again makes the process of appearing in our space, time
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plane or level or our brain b r A any
easier for these entities really fast. Before we kind of
start wrapping some of this up, let's just talk about
a gentleman named Charles Fort and four teens, so um
Mr Kiel. John Kiel was a self described fourteen. He
(46:13):
went on Letterman one time, well well back in the day,
and he was he was described as a fourteen when
he was introduced. And this is someone who follows or
believes um or it. Maybe it's just a big fan
of but in in some way influenced by Charles hoy Fort,
who was a writer, published a bunch of books. Um.
(46:36):
He was a writer from oh well, gosh. He was
born in eighteen seventy four and he died in nineteen
thirty two, so he existed quite a time ago. But then,
if you imagine someone like John Keel who's writing in
the seventies and eighties, in the sixties as well, he's
writing books about these things that were considered to be
(46:56):
or at least called fourteen events, things like frogs spontaneously
falling from the sky all of a sudden, or it's
raining red or the rivers are running red for some
reason in this other country, or he even he brings
up things about that time it rained raw meat in
China in the nineteenth century that I've never actually heard about.
(47:18):
I thought maybe you guys had heard about it from
ridiculous history. I heard it. I think I heard a
story on NPR about that actually a couple of years ago. Okay,
we should totally steal that. Yeah, I mean there's all
kinds of things, even things that we used when Kentucky.
That's what I heard about. The Kentucky meat Shower took
place on March third of eighteen seventy six, where it's
spontaneously rained raw meat in the settlement of Rankin in
(47:41):
Bath County, Kentucky. Was not an isolated event. Apparently. Was
there a plausible explanation for that one? Well, some of
the meat was identified as being lung tissue from either
a horse or a human baby. I knew it. WHOA Okay,
well we need to look into that. Um. But along
with all of these things, these forty and events, they
(48:02):
include things such as bigfoot sightings and kangaroos that spontaneously
appear in Illinois and then are chased and then can't
be found again. Um, dinosaurs in Italy, they get chased
and hunted down by the army, but they don't ever
get found. But there were dinosaur footprints according to Kiel
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And Um, it's just one of those things where I
think we have to imagine all of this in that world.
The the concept of ultra terrestrials comes from this place
where a lot of these forty and events are perhaps
thought to be completely true. Right right, right right, that's
a very important extra dimension to add, oh snap to
(48:47):
the episode. And it's true at this point there is
no solid proof that we could find of these extra dimensions.
A couple folks thought they came close experimental settings, uh,
and the math that they have worked on is compelling
with the addition to these things, but again no one's
(49:10):
found the famous again fabled unified theory of everything. There's
also because there's no proof of these extra dimensions in
this sort of way, there's no solid proof of any
extra dimensional sentient intelligent entity that would be able to
find us. Of course, were it true, then automatically there
would be some kind of sentient life in that in
(49:32):
one of those dimensions, as because we're you know edging
toward infinity. But it is completely possible that unobservable sentient
life could exist. Emphasis impossible, right, because we can't see
the entirety of light rest spectrum, nor can we hear
the entirety of the sound spectrum. So pa possible, not
(49:56):
plausible at all. I mean, there's just no reason to
There's no compelling reason for us to say for sure.
Do you guys think that there will ever be a
real Walter Bishop that for some reason unlocks the ability
to travel that sixth, fifth and sixth dimension. I just
think he would immediately like vaporize you, either physically or
(50:19):
just you know, like I said at the top of
the show, break your brain. You wouldn't be able to
come back from it. Oh that was sort of part
of his character too. He he tweets him out a
little bit talking about from friends, Right, Palter Bishop, you man,
good character. I really like that actor John noble Man.
He was also wasn't in the Lord of the Rings.
He was the worm ton a worm tong. I'm the
(50:39):
really horrible king. Yeah, who goes crazy, eats the chicken. Well,
his boys get slaughtered. Is that a spoiler? No, it's
past the statue past the statue and speaking of time
as we understand it, it feels like it's right about
time for us to wrap up the episode today. If
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you have any compelling proof of extra dimensional entities which
would be very very surprising to us and to the
world at large, love to see it here it encounter it.
We may not be ready to go there with you,
but you know, we want to hear what you think.
Always did you see Annihilation? What was your read? I
(51:24):
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whole episode or like a mini Maybe we should like
to start doing many episodes, or we like review weird
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(00:25):
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You are you that makes this stuff they don't want
you to know, regardless of where or when you are
tuning in. Oh boy, this one is a doozy. It's
very strange topic. It's something that we have received multiple
(00:51):
request about over the years, YouTube comments, three am tweets
and uh and so on. If it's a concept tool topic,
it's one of those that we do those every once
in a while where you really have to open your
mind and to go on a journey through several different
hoops before you can really get to the concept. And
(01:11):
that's what we're going to do today. We're going on
a journey. Oh this is a full on journey, and
sign up for a journey. We're just gonna sit here
at the table. We're already moving just in directions we
cannot perceive. That would be the argument here most of
us have heard strange stories about extraterrestrials, Aliens Ufo Roswell Crash,
(01:33):
Eric von Danikin's sort of stuff about ancient aliens building civilization,
and the idea is usually they came from somewhere beyond
the Solar system, which will also hear stuff like the
ancient Lunar inhabitants or an old civilization on Mars, a
physical place that they are traveling from on some type
(01:56):
of ship or in some manner like them, and whether
or not you leave in the stories of extraterrestrial contact,
there's no denying that it's been a conversation or an
angry debate that humanity has been having for a long
long time, with varying iterations, which will see in folklore
(02:16):
today as well over the centuries. Loads of researchers, scads
of academics what's another name for a group of people, um,
multitudes of mystics right, and of scholars. Yes, yes, they've
all argued, with varying degrees of credibility for or against
these possibilities and the claims for the existence of intelligent,
(02:39):
non Earth based life. These claims typically take several forms. Uh. First,
there's the basic idea that these things do exist and
have contacted humanity or Earth, either in the ancient past,
whether that's in the early days of human or pre
human civilization, or even before humans entirely, you know, like
(03:01):
the elder things in all the HP Lovecraft stories and
the seating of humanity. Yeah. And the other side of
this would be that this contact occurred in the recent
past or currently through accident like the popular legend of
the Roswald Crash, or through design where these aliens said, hey,
we like what you all have going on. For one
(03:23):
reason or another, we're just gonna we're just gonna drop
on in, get in where we fit in, or perhaps
even influence us in one way or or another as
a human civilization. Yeah, here's how to farm morons, right,
Here's here's how to take the thoughts that occur in
your head and put them on the physical plane so
(03:43):
that people can hear from you when you're dead. I
would just hope that they would see from afar that,
you know, we have a tendency to kind of be
jerks and kill everything. Maybe it's be a good idea
to stay away, and maybe it's something they want to
nip in the bud Well, that's cool too. That's we'll
take all the help we can get. Or maybe it's
something that all intelligent life goes through almost a stage
(04:05):
of development, sure, like a sort of universal adolescents, like
I don't know, the terrible Two's right, yeah, two millions
time is a flat circle, my friends, Oh boy, we're
falling into and around it. The second idea that about
alien life would be as as Matt mentioned earlier, that
(04:28):
extraterrestrials have either seeded life on Earth or somehow modified
existing animal life as we recognize it today. Personally, my
favorite example of this, and I think the most plausible
one is this theory we've talked about, which is a
fascinating idea which just a terrible name. Pans Spermia. Yeah,
(04:50):
pans spermia, And so you can pause and do some
puns if you need to, folks, and we'll come back
in pan Spermia is the idea that life here, all
life here on our planet, was seated not by an
intelligent extraterrestrial life, but by microbes that were super hardy
and able to tolerate the hazards of space, and they
(05:12):
were attached to a common or other heavenly object that
just crashed here. I could see that as being the
genesis for all human life. I mean, I'm picturing, you know,
the beginnings of this crazy thing we call humanity is
being like a little tiny particles and microbes. I could
totally see them in water bears. Oh yeah, yeah, it's
(05:34):
so cute. It's degrades and indestructible, right, pretty much like
they can, like you know, who survive for long periods
of time with with no oxygen in space radiation? Bring
it on the Yeah, they're the energizer buddy of you
know what. I'm going to give up on this one,
(05:55):
the cosmos. There we go, Thank you all, because just
to peek behind the curtain here, uh tried to make
that reference and I had to stop and off air.
Ask you guys, which battery it was? Sure? It wasn't
dur Cell bunny. Did dur Cell even have a cute
little spokes thing? It's just the copper top. Really, it's
a little dull. Then they would have updated that by
now ever, already had a creature, didn't they, I want
(06:17):
to say, a dinosaur. I feel like all products should
have some uh some animal mascot that's disturbing and its implications.
Like there's a grocery store chain here in the southeastern
part of the United States called Piggly Wiggly. You may
not be familiar with this if you have not spent
time in this neck of the Global woods, but the
(06:38):
Piggly Wiggly mascot is a pig that's really into killing pigs.
And in one of its original iterations, it was cutting
itself too. Yes, and that's just normal. That has nothing
to do with today's show. That's just how people perceive
and portray things. That's just how it is here in
(06:59):
the South. Another way that it could just be is
that somehow, for some reason, aliens were they were the
ones who actually planted the seed and altered the DNA
of existing life on Earth to create intelligent life somehow,
some way. Okay, so the idea there is maybe life
(07:20):
was already present in some form with an extraterrestrial arrived
and then they said, hey, let's go back through the
genetic code and punch things up a little bit. Yeah,
Or there was some type of interbreeding that occurred between
species that existed and whatever alien species. This was that
(07:41):
one as high you know, as a highly just as
difficult to grasp as all of these are, and as
implausible as some of them might be, that one, to
me is just not even a thing. You don't think so,
because people who were proponents of this would are you
that all the stories of ancient travelers from Afar, like
(08:06):
the Nephelum, for instance, breeding with the human population. They
would argue that that is a coded translation of some
true events. Yeah, I think it's just what we know
about how difficult it is for any type of cross
breeding just from terrestrial species. Um it seems as though
(08:31):
maybe they had perfected the science of it, but I
I highly doubt that. And then one of the big
assumptions would be that there is some there would be
some kind of commonality or closeness such that you could
exchange or modify genes. We know technically that it's possible
to make a so called human z there's not heart
(08:53):
proof that anyone did it for a variety of understandable reasons,
but events but again fairly closely related species. And then
there's the third category of theories about our opinions about
extraterrestrial contact with Earth, right, And that's the idea that
(09:15):
intelligent life has to exist somewhere um, whether it's at
the same time as intelligent life exists here on Earth
or somewhere in the past. And if by some strange coincidence,
some chance, we are the first intelligent life, other examples
are going to pop up somewhere sometime after we blip out. Yeah,
(09:38):
somewhere after our world ends, not with a bang, but
with a whimper, there will be Yeah, there will be
another civilization or another form of intelligent life that also
grows up as a latchkey kid in the universe. And
wonders are we alone? And why not? Man? It makes
like I guess we're talking about earlier with the water
bears and the you know, just the weird primordial google
(10:00):
that we get us. Why is what makes us so
special that it only happened for us? I don't know,
Like I really I'm asking. It's a great question. Yeah,
that's a great question, like this this idea really get
to work on answering that. But while we're in the
process of getting ourselves together, we do know that this
(10:20):
concept that extraterrestrial life definitely, did, does, or will exist
is based on pretty solid understanding of the universe, which,
although it is negligible is terrifying and nihilistic in uh
(10:41):
in its persuasiveness. Well, yeah, because you're looking at just
the sheer size of the universe itself, how many billions
of galaxies there are, and all of the stars and
those galaxies and all the planets that go around those stars.
And then you also imagine how long it took for
intelligent life to arise on the Earth. If if you're thinking, okay,
the Earth is over four and a half billion years old,
(11:03):
it took x amount of time for humans to arrive
in some form or another, at least neandertals, and a
little before that the documented forms of intelligence that we have.
It takes a long time for life to spring on
a planet and then to become intelligent. And also, we
have no points, at least our understanding. We have no
(11:23):
point at which time solidly stops. We have some ideas
about when things might get kind of screwy and and
we might find a shamalan esque twist in time, But
for now, we understand that the universe is huge, there's
a vast span of time available for intelligent life to arise.
(11:46):
We're in something pretty similar to an infinite monkey's infinite
typewriter situation, which leads us, of course, to the Fermi paradox,
the terrifying question, Well, if it is almost statistically certain
that some other intelligent life form exists, why haven't we
heard anything, you know? And then that's when you get
(12:07):
into the distances problem, and then you get into the
physics problems about being able to travel such distances to
actually meet the other intelligent species. Yeah, the same rough
math assuring us that extraterrestrial sentient life has, does, or
will exist, also almost certainly guarantees we will never ever,
(12:28):
ever ever meet them. Like two candles burning on opposite
shores of the Pacific rim, we will never detect the
light of another civilization. Full stop. Wow, that's a downer,
but never fear. Today's episode proposes an alternative, and it's
one you might not have heard before, folks. I know
(12:50):
I'd never heard it before. Well you will hear it
after this quick break. Here are the facts we have
to We have to look, maybe not in space, but
in other dimensions. And what's a dimension? A basis what
(13:11):
we mean when we say dimensions are we're describing the
different facets of what we perceive to be reality and
all of us are familiar with at least three of
the main ones, right, the main ones to us. And then,
of course, you know, we'll we'll add a fourth one
on the way. But let's walk through it before it
gets super just super weird. Okay, we'll start at one.
(13:38):
Let's call the first dimension length picture a line. It's
just an X axis and that's it, got it. The
second dimension is the other axis, the y. Let's call
it width, and our one dimensional line in a two
D perspective, Um, it suddenly has a discernible like a
wideness to it. If you've got these two lines, you
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can make a box like a height. Right. Yeah, and
now at this point we can imagine a two dimensional
object like a square, rectangle of circle. The third dimension
is null. Yes, I am that third dimension, the notorious
z access the wild card, which we will call depth
for our purposes here. Uh, Now, our line is raised
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from the ground or it's descending into the ground. It
can curve both toward and away from our perception. Now
we can imagine objects like spheres or cubes exactly. So
we've got three dimensions. Now, this is how we interact
with the world. If you look at a table. Oh,
look at that. It's got length, width, and depth. I'm
I'm doing it. I'm doing it right. I've got three dimensions.
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We're okay, we're getting enough to seem but why stop there? Right,
Let's go to the fourth dimension. Time. This governs the
property of all known matter at any given point. And
so now we can imagine how long this cube or
sphere has existed in a certain spot, and we can
understand the difference between when it was in one position
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and when it moves to another place. And we need
all four of these dimensions captain planeting up together for
us to plot the position of an object in space. Yes,
a physical three dimensional object that exists at a time. Yeah,
makes sense. Right, I got that? All right, I'm so
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with you. Come on board. But it doesn't stop there.
I'm not ready. I don't know if anyone is. Man.
We were promised a journey. Well, it's a journey that
goes deep, deep into the deepest, darkest places that exist.
Describe them to be mad. Well, okay, let's let's start.
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Let's start here. You've got the three dimensional objects right.
In this case, let's say the three dimensional object is
actually a place like a kind of a place and
thing like the shipping container that we're inside of right now.
We're yes, like the shipping and container. But let's imagine
we're at a small pond okay now, and we're just
gonna zoom deep into this pond. Right So, first, as
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you're going in, you see the pond itself, You see
the water, You see the bottom of where the pond is,
where the water is sitting on top of it, and
we just go deep in there, and then you're gonna
see if you get deep enough, you're gonna see that
inside that water that looks clear to you is actually
full of these microorganisms. And then you keep going into
the microorganism, then you see it's made up of all
these proteins, complex proteins. And then you keep going down
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into one of those proteins and you see that it's
actually made out of atoms. And then you see those
atoms are made out of elementary particles like corks and
leptons and bosons. And this area that we get into
is what this entire subject is about. Once you get
that deep down into what in an object in existence is.
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If you want a simulation of what Matt just described,
there's a pretty amazing aim called everything. Yes, if you
play this, it's literally you can do what you just described.
You can zoom from one layer to another like meta
as well, just like you know you're you can be
in a pond. You can go from to the micro
level to the macro level, and you can birth new
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universes and join them together and make them dance with
each other. It's pretty fantastic. But do you end up
really understanding it after you play it? I feel like
you get a sense of scale time, sense of scale.
It's very zen. It's a very like nothing really happens,
or yet everything kind of happened. I don't know, it's
it's it's a cool game. Though it's meditative. I would say,
that's what I really That's why I really dig about it.
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And man, now I have to go play it again.
It's such an excellent recommendation. So right, according to particle physicists,
the world as we understand it is defined in terms
of these elementary particles match just described. You will also
hear them called fundamental particles. These, according to that idea,
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are the smallest things in the universe, or at the
very least they're the smallest things we can actually see
because we're using some form of energy to communicate their
presence and their properties to us. Right, And this is
our technology only allows us to go to this hard limit.
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But what if it doesn't stop there. This is where
we want to introduce you to one of the world's
most widely misunderstood theories, the thing that has put checks
in the mailbox of sci fi screenwriters across the planet,
and that is the superstring theory. You'll hear this mention
in many stories describing a parallel universe. Right. For instance,
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a show like Fringe would would have something like that. Right, friends, Yeah, friends,
just think about it, think about it, really, think about it.
What's what's going on with Ross dinosaur expert? Are you
kidding me? Not likely? I think there was one episode
where they just described instead of like a paleontologist, they
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said dinosaur expert. I've only seen two episodes of Friends.
Someone should do a parody of Friends where it's like
a mash up of friends and friends and there's like
alternate realities of friends where they're all kind of like,
you know, the different, great different. One of jay Z's
new songs, isn't It based the video that was made
for it is based on in all African American cast
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of Friends, and like what that wouldn't what that would imply?
And then what the main actor is going through from
a societal level, from a personal level, like, what does
it mean that I'm doing this? That sounds heavy? It's incredible?
No one on Friends really suffers. Yes, and Paul, our
producers just informed me that the song is called Moonlight.
Paul the ghost in the Machine decade and who knows.
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As we'll see in this argument, it might be quite
possible that the situation portrayed in the song Moonlight exists,
just not in a way that we can current see it.
So what if? String theorists propose? What if, like the
folks in Inception, we need to go deeper and smaller
than current technology allows. Originally, the idea was this that
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each of these fundamental particles we see leptons, Boston, and
so on, actually contains a tiny, one dimensional loop of
vibrating string or just an open string. It's something that's
just wiggling, and the vibration determines the charge and mass
of this greater particle. As the theory evolved, scientists introduced
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the idea of something called brains, B, R, A, and
E S short for membranes higher dimensional objects that will
talk about in a second. And here's here's the point,
the crux of string theory for our purposes today. The
proponents of string theory believe that there are more than
four dimensions, and additional dimensions are curled up in these tiny,
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complicated shapes that can only be seen at an infinitesimal scale.
And if we could possibly shrink to this tiny plank
sized scale, the smallest scale current technology allows for measuring stuff,
we could see that at every three D point in
space or four D you can say we could explore
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another six dimensions. And that's right. Depending on the variety
or model of string theory we're talking here, there can
be way more than three or four dimensions. We're talking
anywhere from ten in superstring theory. Yeah. And if you
want to take a look to kind of get your
mind wrapped around this a little better, if there's it
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was it wolf from Alpha I guess it's become something
else now, um members dot wolf from dot com you
can find let's see, it's a Jeff Bryant visualization of
calloby yao shape. What this would look like to us. Yeah, exactly. Um,
you can just search for or C A L A B, I,
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dash y a U shape and you should be able
to find it. It's fascinating and my mind is kind
of wrapping around it, but not quite so, Matt, how
would you describe that shape that you're looking at? Well,
it has these shapes rotating so that you can get
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a sense of what you're looking at. But it's almost
like interconnecting. Um, like an interconnected freely object that looks
as though it's a bunch of different circles that are
then kind of placed at strange angles together and then
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moving together but at different axis. So it's dynamic. It's
completely dynamic, and it is strange. And again it doesn't
quite compute because I'm so not used to imagine anything
outside of those four dimensions that we've described, and possibly
we're incapable at this point. Right. There are other theories
like m theory attempts to unite a couple of different
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models and it posits that there are eleven dimensions. And
there's basonic string theory that says, you know what, let's
double down, let's get real over the top and supersize
it and say that there are twenty six total dimensions.
And one of the reasons that there are so many
dimensions and a lot of these theories is that the
models don't match up with current models, and in order
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to try and get them to match up better with
with the current status quo of science, they're they're like, oh,
well it would work if there were this many dimensions,
right right, yeah, exactly, And that's that's a concise explanation.
So modeling spacetime with extra dimensions makes it more mathematically
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conceivable and makes it consistent. But you know what, what,
we don't have to stop there. Let's look into it
a little further. What do the dimensions begin to look
like past number four, past time, what other measuring sticks,
what do we encounter? Well, according to superstring theory, the
fifth and sixth dimensions, or where we begin to see
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those alternate possible worlds we always hear about in science fiction,
right yeah, yeah, yeah, this is the fringe stuff, right right,
So what what would this look like? Well, in the
fifth dimension, we'd see a world only slightly different from
our own. Um that would give us kind of a
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way of measuring the similarity and differences objectively, because they'd
be subtle, right, Okay, Yeah, yeah, we have sort of
a yard stick by which to compare other things. And
it probably wouldn't immediately break your brain too. Yeah, we
wouldn't immediately have your hair go gray and one of
your eyes explode. It would be kind of a Marty McFly,
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you know, situation, rather than yes, like a due to
the end of pet cemetery situation. I like that. I
find that comforting. That's a place that I would want
to visit, provided the it was still similar enough for
us to live in terms of like breathable air and
you know, we all get nourishment from the same basic stuff. Yeah,
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then you get to the sixth sixth dimension. Is that
where it gets crazy? I feel like it is. This
is where it's almost the god perspective, where you can
see all of the possible different planes almost laid out
in front of you of how this earth, this area
that we're in, wherever whatever positionally we are in in
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the universe, all of the different options after the Big
Bang conceivably so the same starting point. Yeah, you you
start at the same point. This is where you are
now since that starting point in all the different iterations
and there are an infinite number of them. So if
you imagine looking at your iPhone and being able to
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see them and just scrolling, just scrolling forever basically at
all the different things. And what's fascinating about that is
if that is somehow true, then this means it would
theoretically be possible to travel back in time or go
to different futures, right, go to more than one future possibility.
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And then in the seventh dimension you have access to
the possible worlds that start with different initial conditions. So
a universe that doesn't start with something exactly like the
Big Bang, right, which is mind boggling. What would that
be like in the in the fifth and sixth dimensions? Again,
as as Nolan Matt pointed out, the starting point was
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the same, and later down the line down the dimension
of time, things occurred in different sequences. But here everything
since the very very very very very beginning has been
different and just probably gets probably continues to become more different.
I'm trying to imagine it again. If I'm looking at
my iPhone. Um, so if we're in the sixth dimension
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and we're just scrolling through everything that maybe is in
this folder or something, I feel like the seventh dimension
is pulling out a folder or to see the next
subroute folders, where each one of those you could look
into and see the sixth dimension. Does that make sense? Yeah,
that's not bad. That's not bad comparison, So what happens
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in the eighth dimension. If you'll, if you'll notice, if
you'll notice, listeners, the anti keeps upping with each new
dimension on the eighth dimension. Um, we again get that
god mode view of possible universe histories, Um, each of
which begins with different initial conditions and branches out into infinity. Yeah,
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so we're our minds are are shattered at this point,
they're floating around and then in the ether. So these
are these are increasing, The possibilities are increasing by an
enormous step with each movement up or down the dimensional plane.
I mean, that's enough for me, But here's dimension number
nine for everyone who just wants to keep going in
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the ninth dimension. Again, if this was true, we could
theoretically compare all possible universe histories starting with all the
different possible laws of physics. So a reality that just
does not work like ours, which is a real tall order,
especially when we consider that we don't fully understand the
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physics of our own universe. Yeah, and you know, not
to get into our meat bodies observing this somehow. You're right,
that's gonna be one heck of an iPhone. Yeah. Yeah,
you probably have to get it on iPad at the
very least. Yeah, or the I think, which was longtime
(29:02):
listeners will recognize an illumination global unlimited product to them.
They're still around, don't worry about it. Yeah, we haven't
heard the last of them. That's all we can say.
In the tenth and final dimension, now we're at the
point where everything that is possible, everything is imaginable, is
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we've taken care of. It's covered. And now, according to physicists,
beyond that point, or according to physicists who ascribe to
this number of dimensions, beyond that point, nothing can really
be imagined by us, and it becomes a natural limitation
to our ability to imagine things. But as we established earlier,
some models of this sort of theory argue that even
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more dimensions exist. So if that is true, if we
were only conceiving or perceiving four of si dimensions, why
can't we see the other two? Well? One theoretical explanation
is called compactification. It's the idea that the other dimensions
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are in some way folded down into this complex structure
that somehow prevents us from seeing them, kind of like
looking at a piece of paper directly from the side.
If does this makes sense, it's so thin it is
very difficult to discern a piece of paper directly from
the side. You would see that thin line, even though
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the paper has all kinds of unperceived surface area that
you just can't make out because of your position in
space time. In that case, it makes it sound almost
like an optical illusion. Oh in some ways, or in
a maybe just an inability to observe We just lacked
the hardware, I guess. Yeah. And then there's the other idea.
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The brain that we mentioned earlier short for membrane. This
would be a higher order dimensional object that can have
any number of dimensions take your pick. This in string
theory is considered a fundamental object, the same way that
a lepton would be considered a fundamental object and particle physics,
and some physicists explain our inability to perceive these dimensions
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by saying that maybe the problem isn't just us. Maybe
what's happened is that our universe is itself a three
dimensional brain and we are stuck within a larger dimensional space.
And this is an idea you had brought up before, Matt,
the I guess simulation hologrammatic universe. Yeah, that the proof
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if if this was some sort of simulation, everything that
we perceive, everything that we've ever touched or observed, is
actually just a computer of some sort working in whatever this. Uh.
If it strings, even these strings, are just the bits
or the particles or the pixels, um, maybe that would
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that would make a lot of sense if that were true.
Maybe at this point there's no solid proof of this theory.
The debate rages on. But here's the thing. A lot
of the math actually works out. By adding these extra
dimensions to calculations. UH, scientists are able to get closer
to functional a functional quantitative understanding or theoretical understanding. UH.
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Scientists have yet to nail down the famous, should I say,
fabled unified theory of everything. Our compatriot Josh Clark from
Stuff you Should Know as working on a project that
has him talking to a lot of particle physicists, and
his takeaway has largely been it's kind of a throw
stuff at the wall and see what sticks kind of situation,
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like with economists even but yet you it's the stakes
are so high. It's really interesting because at some point
it has to become theoretical because by observing anything with
whatever waves or lasers, whatever type of wave, we shoot
at something to observe it at that tiny level, we
are affecting it because though it's being pummeled by a wave,
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and you're no longer just looking at something, you are
physically touching it with something. And how can you know
what's down there if you can't make a wave small
enough to touch it. So you have to come up
with ideas. You literally are theorizing. So I mean, you're right,
it's throwing stuff against the wall. But it's definitely the
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best minds out there. Simplification. I guess it just means
to Ben's point, no one's really figured it out and equivocally,
and to your point, it's doubtful that they ever will.
I don't know what do you guys think. I don't
see how you can figure it out at this point.
And it's one of the things that I've heard before
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I always found interesting was the idea that at a
certain point, when you get close enough to the bleeding
edge of thought on questions like this, it comes very
close to an article of faith. The smartest people amongst
us are using all of the knowledge accessible over thousands
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of years of civilization and going, oh gosh, I don't know, guys,
maybe this maybe I just like add another dimension. I
don't know. It's four thirty, it's Friday. I'm not at
all denigrating the work these people do. Looks like you say,
it's it's theoretical, But it's theoretical based on evidence. Yes,
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you know, it's not just a pure leap of faith.
But it's interesting how, you know, we see science as
the opposite of religion in many senses, and yet that
kind of big thinking does play into the stuff that
we're talking about. When I say big, I just mean
odd the universe. You know, what does it all mean?
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Kind of stuff? I don't know. Yeah. Uh, the the
idea that there could be something larger that we could
or smaller or just different that we could understand despite
our cognitive and physical limitations, dimensional limitations. I don't know. Well,
here's the point. What if it's true? What if there
are in fact dimensions of this nature. If that is true,
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Frene researchers argue, then our first encounters with non earthbound
sentient life may not be from beyond the stars, but
beyond the dimensions comprising our perception of reality. Who yeah,
because imagine if you can observe some of those higher
level dimensions. Imagine if you can observe them and see
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through your iPhone or whatever device it is, you can
see them all and perhaps even be in a different
place than where you currently are. Yeah, that's like imagining
being dead. Yeah, my brain does not compute that. You know,
you're ever trying that experiment where you're like, what would
it be like to not exist? You can't do it. Well,
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we've found some people who believe they know the truth
about this, and we're going to discuss them right after
a quick break. Here's where it gets crazy. What if
instead of looking to outer space for intelligent life, we
focused on exploring these other dimensions ultra terrestrials instead of extraterrestrials. Yeah,
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say it again, ultra terrestrials, ultra terrestrials. It's true. It's
an idea that was proposed by a writer named John
Keel in the nineteen seventies, who was one of the
most widely read and influential ufologists of his time, and
he coined the term ultra terrestrial. Originally, he thought that
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what he saw as evidence of UFOs was a symptom
of extraterrestrial visitation. Physical aliens are somehow traveling to Earth
for some reason. Yeah, that's a ship that I'm observing
that it has physical, three dimensional space, And in time
he became increasingly distant from that view. He wrote a
book called UFOs Operation Trojan Horse in nineteen seventy and
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he pointed out something that is fascinating, I would argue true,
and he said that these descriptions of encounters with what
people perceived to be aliens or extraterrestrials, they often parallel
certain stories or legends in folklore or religious encounters from
very spiritual beliefs. And that's that's true. You can see
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the correlation. You know, stories of alien abduction have similarities
to old legends of being abducted by the Faye or
you know, fairies or some mother's supernatural creature. But here's
where he went with it. He went somewhere different. He
didn't say, oh, what a fascinating folklore parallel. He said, Also,
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this perceived link meant something. Yeah, that this link, somehow
um indicated something more than a mere physical encounter between
us humans and whatever these unknown entities were. He used
this term ultra terrestrials to describe UFO occupants, the people
actually inside the ships, or the ones that were there
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that we were observing. Whatever physical form they took, he
believed them to be non human entities that were capable
of taking on whatever shape, whatever form, whatever thing that
they wanted to become. And it sounds, I'm just gonna say,
it sounds pretty damn crazy. Have you guys seen Annihilation yet? No? Yeah,
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I read the story. I think the movie varies pretty
wildly from the book, but there there is there's a
theme in that film. For at risk of any spoilers,
I think you should if you're interested in this stuff,
you should watch that movie. All right, let's say, let's
do it right here. This is a spoiler alert. Skip
forward a few minutes. If you want to not hear
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about this movie, tell me about it, though, well, just
really briefly. I mean, it's about a consciousness that sort
of per like like travels to Earth on a meteor
and it's like this bacteria kind of thing like we
were talking about earlier. But it creates this zone where
d n A is transmittable like light waves, and if
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you're in the zone, your DNA is affected. You're constantly
mutating and everything is mutating because it's like scrambling d
n A. It's it's a little hard to explain, but
there is. It's basically it wants to assimilate us and
also kind of become us. And there's a whole theme
where it creates clones of people, but not unlike a
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body snatcher's way, and a very existential kind of like
I don't know, it's it's it's it's a it's a
mind far alright, it's I really. I think Paul really
enjoyed it too, right, Yeah, which it's cool. Okay, Well,
now I don't have to see the movie. Now, saved
me some money, thanks dude. All right, spoilers complete see
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the movie. Don't listen to Matt. If there were indeed
creatures from another dimension, we're getting pretty deep with our
assumptions here, But if there were indeed creatures from some
other plane, how would the average human being or how
would technology perceive these entities? What does a creature from
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the sixth dimension look like to those of us stuck
in the three to four dimensions that were so familiar
with This gets into again, I think we referenced there earlier,
but this gets into Lovecraft stuff so quickly it's imperceivable
to us. It's that utterly alien and it's fascinating. So
the idea is that they didn't They don't come from
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within our solar system like Mars. They don't come from
outside of our Solar system like a different galaxy or
just another one in the Milky Way. They are actually inhabitants,
were are in the far future, inhabitants of Earth somehow.
So it's like the upside Down and Stranger Things. Yeah,
that's a great comparison. It would be alternate world, an
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alternate universe. Yeah, just to throw this in really fast,
Another fantastic film that I couldn't remember the name of
called Midnight Special, Thanks Paul, and it's directed by Jeff Nichols,
and it, spoiler alert, deals with this very thing beings
that they have always existed on Earth and still exist
on Earth, but they just exist in a different dimension.
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And it can only be observed by someone who is
from that dimension. Anyway, watch the movie's really it's also
not forget about they live. You know, when you put
on a special glasses, you see the monsters from the
other demand. So we just mentioned that for sure. Yeah,
so this is definitely a thing that people have been
exploring for a long time, well after the seventies. Well
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here's another here's another argument from kiel Is. He continues,
he believes that these creatures are somehow indigenous to Earth,
there have been here for some time, but inhabit a
dimension beyond time and physical matter, and that by shifting
up and down through dimensional planes, he says through he
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ascribes it to electromagnetic activity. But in some unexplained way,
they can materialize dematerialize as they please, and he believes
that they can. They do have some sense of what
we would understand as morality. They could be good or evil,
but they seem to according to kill Uh, they seem
to be really into manipulating and tricking humanity. And he
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argues that throughout different cultures and times and history, we've
called them things like gods or demons or spirits, fairies, monsters,
and encounters with these beings he says, have spawned entire religions,
so for completely different reasons or with completely different conclusions.
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He agrees with Folklore's to see modern stories of UFO
encounters as the current instance of this long running phenomenon.
But there's, you know, the huge question, the ten dimensional
dollar question here is if if this were true, then
what what what the heck is the motivation? Why would
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these why would these things be here? What would they
want to do? Yeah, it seems like it would take
a tremendous amount of energy and currency. Probably, Well, it
just depends, I guess on how the technology and or
maybe maybe it's not even technology, maybe it's just some
level of conscious us. You you have to then theorize
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about how they're actually shifting dimensions, right, because if it
costs a lot of money, you could you would compare
it to like NASA sending a shuttle up or you know,
SpaceX sending sending a rocket up, Like how expensive that
is to do something big like that? And then if
you're going to spend the energy to shift dimensions for
some reason, perhaps it costs that much money unless it's
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some kind of innate ability that each one of these
creatures has. Yeah, like, if it's an innate ability would
be it would it be as simple as someone observing
in three dimensions just moving their hand toward or away
from their eyes. Well, yeah, and if it's that, then
the motivation could just be more like it's something that
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I wanted to do or I thought this would be funny.
There's a quote from Keel wherein he describes the motivation
as part of a subtle cosmological system of control. It's
been in effect, it's the dawn of humanity. That's a
very vague statement as far as motivations go. It's also
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very intriguing. Yeah, it does kind of make you want
to buy a book, and that's not a burn on
John Keel. That's that's probably just good marketing, right. But
it also, you know, you would wonder what again, that
doesn't really answer the question what is the end game?
Especially if this is, as Matt said, an expensive or
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and or dangerous endeavor. Kill also believes this theory explains
why some geographical areas are home to more UFO reports.
He calls them window areas and he thinks he says
they are probably areas with magnetic anomalies and that this
again makes the process of appearing in our space, time
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plane or level or our brain b r A any
easier for these entities really fast. Before we kind of
start wrapping some of this up, let's just talk about
a gentleman named Charles Fort and four teens, so um
Mr Kiel. John Kiel was a self described fourteen. He
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went on Letterman one time, well well back in the day,
and he was he was described as a fourteen when
he was introduced. And this is someone who follows or
believes um or it. Maybe it's just a big fan
of but in in some way influenced by Charles hoy Fort,
who was a writer, published a bunch of books. Um.
(46:36):
He was a writer from oh well, gosh. He was
born in eighteen seventy four and he died in nineteen
thirty two, so he existed quite a time ago. But then,
if you imagine someone like John Keel who's writing in
the seventies and eighties, in the sixties as well, he's
writing books about these things that were considered to be
(46:56):
or at least called fourteen events, things like frogs spontaneously
falling from the sky all of a sudden, or it's
raining red or the rivers are running red for some
reason in this other country, or he even he brings
up things about that time it rained raw meat in
China in the nineteenth century that I've never actually heard about.
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I thought maybe you guys had heard about it from
ridiculous history. I heard it. I think I heard a
story on NPR about that actually a couple of years ago. Okay,
we should totally steal that. Yeah, I mean there's all
kinds of things, even things that we used when Kentucky.
That's what I heard about. The Kentucky meat Shower took
place on March third of eighteen seventy six, where it's
spontaneously rained raw meat in the settlement of Rankin in
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Bath County, Kentucky. Was not an isolated event. Apparently. Was
there a plausible explanation for that one? Well, some of
the meat was identified as being lung tissue from either
a horse or a human baby. I knew it. WHOA Okay,
well we need to look into that. Um. But along
with all of these things, these forty and events, they
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include things such as bigfoot sightings and kangaroos that spontaneously
appear in Illinois and then are chased and then can't
be found again. Um, dinosaurs in Italy, they get chased
and hunted down by the army, but they don't ever
get found. But there were dinosaur footprints according to Kiel
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And Um, it's just one of those things where I
think we have to imagine all of this in that world.
The the concept of ultra terrestrials comes from this place
where a lot of these forty and events are perhaps
thought to be completely true. Right right, right right, that's
a very important extra dimension to add, oh snap to
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the episode. And it's true at this point there is
no solid proof that we could find of these extra dimensions.
A couple folks thought they came close experimental settings, uh,
and the math that they have worked on is compelling
with the addition to these things, but again no one's
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found the famous again fabled unified theory of everything. There's
also because there's no proof of these extra dimensions in
this sort of way, there's no solid proof of any
extra dimensional sentient intelligent entity that would be able to
find us. Of course, were it true, then automatically there
would be some kind of sentient life in that in
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one of those dimensions, as because we're you know edging
toward infinity. But it is completely possible that unobservable sentient
life could exist. Emphasis impossible, right, because we can't see
the entirety of light rest spectrum, nor can we hear
the entirety of the sound spectrum. So pa possible, not
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plausible at all. I mean, there's just no reason to
There's no compelling reason for us to say for sure.
Do you guys think that there will ever be a
real Walter Bishop that for some reason unlocks the ability
to travel that sixth, fifth and sixth dimension. I just
think he would immediately like vaporize you, either physically or
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just you know, like I said at the top of
the show, break your brain. You wouldn't be able to
come back from it. Oh that was sort of part
of his character too. He he tweets him out a
little bit talking about from friends, Right, Palter Bishop, you man,
good character. I really like that actor John noble Man.
He was also wasn't in the Lord of the Rings.
He was the worm ton a worm tong. I'm the
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really horrible king. Yeah, who goes crazy, eats the chicken. Well,
his boys get slaughtered. Is that a spoiler? No, it's
past the statue past the statue and speaking of time
as we understand it, it feels like it's right about
time for us to wrap up the episode today. If
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you have any compelling proof of extra dimensional entities which
would be very very surprising to us and to the
world at large, love to see it here it encounter it.
We may not be ready to go there with you,
but you know, we want to hear what you think.
Always did you see Annihilation? What was your read? I
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would love to discuss that. Yeah, we could do a
whole episode or like a mini Maybe we should like
to start doing many episodes, or we like review weird
movies or just talk about like a movie that pertains
to one of our topics or something like that. That
wouldn't be a bad idea, especially if we start a
thread on Here's where it gets crazy and then getting
people's ideas, which is our community page you can join
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