June 15, 2018 • 47 mins
For years residents of Windsor, Ontario have been haunted by a strange, disruptive noise. Sometimes compared to a truck idling or distant thunder, numerous residents say the noise has damaged people’s health and quality of life, But what exactly is the Windsor hum? Join the guys as they dive into the mystery.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is
riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or
learn the stuff they don't want you to know. Welcome
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back to the show. My name is Matt, my name
is Noel. They call me Ben. We are joined with
our super producer, Paul Decant. Give him an audio nod
or clap at the spirit so moves you. But most importantly,
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find our voices. Uh, if not soothing, tolerable, just get
some room tone, some hom tone. See now, what we'll
do is take that and then run it through a
program that specifically deletes all of that. Yeah, because we're
all about noise reduction here on stuff they don't want
you to know, it's correct. We also link many podcasters
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put in our due diligence when it comes to finding
isolating and erasing strange or extraneous noises. And this brings
us to maybe an opening question for today's show. Have
you ever heard a sound that bugs you? Now, we're
not We're not referencing something like miss aphonia, where certain
noises push you into a blind rage, like snoring or
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the sounds of forks on ceramics. That's a big one
for people. Uh, we're talking about something you just can't
quite put your finger on in some cases, as in
my case. In our home, there's a leaky faucet that
I have yet to fix, and I keep putting it off.
But man, that sound, it just feels like it reverberates
throughout my smile, my small home. Man, there's these sounds
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happening again. It's almost like they're haunting me. But there
are other things, like maybe a fan in it's oscillating
just slightly as it's spinning around just a little too much.
You know, I have a family of rabid squirrels that
live in my attic. Oh wow, they make all kinds
of sounds. Oh yeah, they do. I've had that before.
We actually just fixed it, but I was really worried
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that my landlord was gonna block off the whole while
the squirrels were still in there. And then the smell.
You didn't think of the smell, you know, Well, I
I texted him, please please don't close up the whole
while the squirrels are still in there. And he seemed
a little offended that I would think you would be
so stupid. But only response was sure, Oh, I thought
it was a reply was lull? No, it was sure.
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Actually unclear about what that response, uh implied if he
was annoyed with me, or if he really hadn't considered
it right right. It's tough to tell in text, but
there is regardless of the source of the sound, there's
an immense satisfaction we can all agree and identifying it
and stopping it, you know, and you find a leaky faucet,
you fix it. The squirrels are out of the attic.
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But in some cases, that wine, that creek, that hum or,
that odd bump every every night at three seven am,
regardless of what you do. In some cases, they can
continue indefinitely. And for years, the entire city of Windsor, Ontario,
has been haunted by an unidentified noise. Locals compare it
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to the sound of distant thunder, which actually sounds sort
of romantic and when you first think about it, or
a subwoofer at a concert which sounds torturous, or a
fleet of diesel engines idling and they call this the
Windsor hum So. Windsor, Ontario is right across the river
from Detroit, Michigan. It is the southernmost city in Canada
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and actually due south of Detroit due to the way
the river bends. And it's counterintuitive on the map, it's
it's not a huge metropolis, you know, it's New New
York City, Shanghai or Chicago. But it's it's certainly not
a tiny town. It has a pretty pretty robust population,
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has a metro area, right, yeah, And it is strange
to see it when you see Lake St. Clair and
then just this river, the Detroit River going down and
how really close these two cities are Detroit and Windsor.
It's it's odd. Yes, yes, it's odd. And they're so
close that they cannot not affect each other. Correct. The
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total population of the Windsor metro area as of was
around three DT four thousand, seven seven people. It feels
weird to say around and then give the exact number,
but that probably has changed over time because we're in now.
As Noll pointed out, that metropolitan area includes more than
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just Windsor has Tecumsa, Amherstburg, LaSalle and Lake shore included there,
and the a city has had its ups and downs.
The recession hit the area very hard. We're talking about
an automotive industry that went and declined steelmaking as well,
and this led a vice journalist named Minisha Krishnan to
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compile a series of let's call them unflattering depictions of
the town. It was described as again, this is not us.
I don't think any of us have been to Windsor.
Have we not yet? No, No, I've never been to
Canada that I recall. We'll get up there. Let's get
up there together, guys. How about that? Sure, let's take
a trip. If we go to Windsor, According to some
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of its critics, we will be visiting Canada's armpit, a
place known for car robberies, drug dealing, and quote zero
to little culture. One person poetically noted Windsor smells like
desperate American youth mixed with dirty Canadian hosers. Who are
these people talking such trash about Windsor? They're people from
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winds of Windsor. One one student at the University of
Windsor said the city may smell and the university maybe,
but who gives up once you're drunk. Not a ringing endorsement,
but the city has been on the up and up recently. Yeah,
there's been some urban revitalization. Um the thing we call
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you notice that down there. Gentrification maybe is another word
to to call it, but hey, it's been in full swing.
All kinds of things, you know, um, are are being
created there that used to be on the rebels of
someone else's troubles. There we go, that was well done.
That Yeah, Art Galleries and Windsor is also known for
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its pizza. Apparently the secret is they cut the pepperoni
into small bits. Do you think it's sort of like
the New York New York pizza dough and bagels? Because
there's something weird going on in the water. Quite possibly,
I would. I would love to check it out, take
some tests to samples, yes, us for science. We can
pitch it to our bosses. If you live in the area,
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right in and let them know that you'd love to
see us on the road. Foreshadowing. It's also known for
its strip clubs, and according to some more cynical locals,
the best thing about it is that it's close to Detroit,
really really close. Yeah. Atlanta is also known for its
strip clubs, just putting it out there because we have
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something in common. Oddly enough, Portland is known for that too. Yeah.
The well, the last time I was there, the uber
driver told me he was listing facts about Portland's you know,
and uh he one of the facts he listed, somewhat awkwardly,
he said, I, you know, I don't know if you're
into this or what kind of trip you're on, but
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Portland has the highest per capita amount of strip clubs.
And it's like, you mean in Oregon And he said,
oh no, no, no, no, no, in the US. I
have not verified that. I'm not no judgment. I'm not
really strip club aficionado. I just picture the strippers in
Portland wearing all handmade clothes, right birds on it. I
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don't know. Sorry, I love that. Sorry. We could only
hope you know that that sounds pretty interesting. Of course,
there is one other local phenomenon, and that is the
subject of today's episode, the hum Because, along with several
other small towns, Windsor, Ontario, has been plagued by this
humming sound in unpredictable ways, at least since two thousand eleven.
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No one seems to know the origin of it. And
as of yet, as we record, no one has been
able to accurately predict when it will occur. And do
you want to let everybody hear what it sounds like.
We're gonna play a quick clip here. But if you
don't have some some pretty good headphones with frequency response
that goes well into the deep registers, you may not
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be able to hear this um your phone. Definitely, if
you're playing with your phone speakers, you're not gonna be
able to hear it. So prepare yourselves with some either
headphones or speakers and listen to this. And that's it.
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And I totally get the the whole sound of a
sub wiffer out in the distance, like there's a concert
occurring somewhere that you can't see, but you can totally
hear the base. I get that with this place called
Plaza Fiesta that's near my home, which is great. That's
my favorite place in Atlanta. It's one of the coolest
places in Atlanta. But if they have an outdoor concert
or something, you can totally hear the sub wolfer like
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way way far away. Yes, yeah, because that sound carries
so powerfully, and we know that for many people listening
It may sound like you just sat through a couple
of seconds of silence, but as my fellow co Ho,
both of whom are noted audio experts, can assure you,
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we really did play a clip that had a sound
in it, right, it was real. I mean Paul was
supposed to stick it in and post. He did his job, right. Then,
we did play a clip. We didn't make it happen manually, though.
We got the We got the drug. Yeah he did.
He did. Like to think. You know, he's the only
person on our show who gets introduced with the last name.
(10:25):
Isn't that kind of strange? I feel like if somehow
he's way more important than us. You can use any
last name you want on the show man. Oh yeah,
they call you Ben, all right, gotcha. You can use
any name you want. And you know, no, now that
I think about it, we've never checked to see whether
Matt's real name is Matt. I mean, he's kind of real, trustworthy.
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Face that's true. He's doing it. He's doing it right now,
don't face you stop. It's kind of like it's it's
kind of like in Primal Fear, Edward Norton's character for
most of the movie yeh, did you see that till
the term I don't wantice while it, but but we do.
We do know that this thing is apparently real nowadays.
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If you're a person given to Facebook and you're interested
in this thing, there's good news. First, you can go
to our community page. Here's where it gets crazy, where
you can find where you can find us and your
fellow listeners sharing strange, bizarre stories and sometimes some really
solid jokes. Yeah, yeah, exactly. Come for the creepy stories,
stay for the memes. That's what we've always said, every time,
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every time. And the second thing you could do if
you are interested in this is check out Some of
the Facebook groups dedicated to solving the mystery of the
hum have not conclusively solved it yet, and we'll we'll
tell you why in a moment. But the individuals in
these groups and other forms online share information about the phenomenon,
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recordings of the actual sound as best they can record it,
descriptions of where they were when they encounter something in
the time of day, and so on. And we should
say that not all residents of the affected communities claimed
to have heard this, so you'll you'll run into people
who say, well, my dad heard it or my significant
other did, but I have not personally encountered it. But nonetheless,
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it is a well known phenomenon in this area, and
virtually everyone believes it's real. There's no one at this
point saying it's hocus pocus or a load of hocum. Yeah,
the ranges, those people like you said, maybe my dad
heard it to other people who have four recording like
recorders set up on their property somewhere recording every day,
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just listening to this hume and trying to figure it out.
And this made us think, you know, off air, we
had talked about this a little bit. This made us
think of how many strange noises we just encounter and
accept in our day to day. Now, the four of
us live in a city, we live in a metro area,
and really it's startling how many noises we just don't
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consciously registered that surround us at all times. And Paul
was mentioning earlier that when he or when other filmmakers
stopped for room tone and everybody quiets down for a moment,
that's when you hear this strange you know, I don't know,
a chuff, whatever it is, it's always something, especially if
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you're outdoors, that's when you'll hear the construction equipment that's
going on miles away that you had no idea what
was happening, but you can totally hear it. And so
it's not unusual to have strange noises in our lives.
But the hum is a little bit different in this
case because it has been linked to detrimental health effects. Yeah,
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I mean, this's that's definitely changes the game a little bit.
It's been linked to actual physical symptoms like depression, which
seems broad to me, But we can move on from that,
and here's some more measurable ones. I would say nausea,
sleep problems, heart palpitations, ear aches, headaches, not to mention
another one that's a little broad, but I love it,
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wide spread annoyance. That pro that's probably the most easily understood. Yea, yeah,
I guess. I guess when I say broad, it just
mean like one person's base level is another person's hyper annoyed. Um.
But I'm more interested in the you know, the hard
palpitations and the ear aches and anything physical like that.
You know. I mean, it sounds like most of the
people that live in winds Are, Ontario are probably pretty
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depressed and annoyed already. If if the descriptions are any indication,
just putting that out there, no judgment on you. Wins
are these are in your words? Right? Yeah? These again
we haven't we haven't been there. But I appreciate the
point you mentioned all about baselines being radically different. You know,
some people are just real pills. That's a tragedy of
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the human condition. But some experts have started calling this
a vibro acoustic disease, which sounds cool but a little
redundant in my opinion. There's a medical opinion we found
from a Dr. Darius Kohen, who is the director of
Autology and Neurotology at Lenox Hill Hospital in Manhattan Eye, Ear,
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and Throat Hospital, and he said that the low frequency
hume was unlikely to cause long term hearing damage, similar
to what we had talked about in our previous episode
on sonic weapons in Cuba, but it could be as
debilitating as tonitis. Tonitus is that persistent ringing in the
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ears that just ruins life for some people, which I
think you get from pretty slow and steady hearing damage
over time. That's certainly one way, Like if you're a
sound guy, for example, and you're constantly exposing your ears
to you know, above recommended decibel levels, you know, on
the regular, you could develop something like this. I could
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see how this relatively imperceptible low frequency sound to to
most or you know, obviously it's perceptible, but it's certainly
kind of it's not to the point where you can't
year over it. It's just sort of like this base
level kind of buzz. I could see how over time,
if it was strong and a frequency, it could probably
damage your hearing well. And the other thing is, since
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it's such a low frequency, it penetrates things like walls
when you're in your home. It's their reports of being
able to hear it sitting in the middle of your
living room or in your bedroom when you're trying to sleep.
So and if you imagine that sound of if there
was a subwoff for somewhere outside of your house, just
just going I'm picturing this sound as like a personification
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of some sort of creepy dude and like a trench
coat just like coming into your house while you're sleep,
just humming in your ear. Jeez, I would take the dude, honestly,
because you can do something about it. You can put
down some just do what you said about You're like,
you know, it couldn't come through walls, it's coming in
while you're sleeping, It's constantly outside knocking on your Yeah.
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I mean it's a great point. And another worthwhile point
to make is that this is not a case of
people imagining and noise. This is not mass hysteria. This
is not a shared audio hallucination, at least not all
the time. Because surely when you have a population this size,
there are going to be a couple of people who
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are mistaken. Maybe it really was just their neighbor's sub moover. Yeah,
if it's just a couple of residents around the town
talking about, hey, I kind of heard this thing, maybe
open can I clarify with you? So this Dr Cohen Cohan,
he is he saying that the sound itself, when experienced,
could be as debilitating as tonitis. Just this the existence
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of it constantly in your life, or that it could
cause the kind of effects that tonitus would cause over time.
Great question. Know that it would be equally as much
of a pain in the key stor as tonitus thought
that it would cause it. Okay, well, I think I
mischaracterized it entirely then, But um, yeah, it's interesting. I mean,
I bet you there's a there's an alternate opinion too,
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probably or probably many. Oh yes, so we will encounter
them this thing. Here's how real it is. This thing
is so painful to part of the population that they've
packed up, they've moved, they've raised their tent stakes and
tried to escape the HUM. So what on earth is
this thing? Where does it come from? We'll tell you
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after a word from our sponsor. Here's where it gets crazy,
because you see, the concern about the HUM went beyond
chatter a town hall and angry posts on forums. The
authorities got involved. Yeah, the Canadian government itself did. There
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was a months long investigation by Natural Resources Canada in
the summer of and it identified the HUM as a
prominent airborne frequency of approximately thirty five hurts. And there
is a report that you can read on this that
you can find online by the Geological Survey of Canada
to it was performed inn and uh it goes through
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exactly what they found. Yeah, And there was another fourteen
investigation carried out by the University of Western Ontario or
u w O and the University of Windsor, and they
were supported in this study by the Canadian Department of
Foreign Affairs and International Trade or de fight UH Fight
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the Fight Uh. They also confirmed the existence of the
home in their study, and both of these endeavors were
able to prove that there was something weird going on,
something amiss, even if they could not conclusively discern the source.
They feel like they got close though. They feel like
they got close. And in that study they even look
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at the hume in general that we've spoken about on
this show before, in all these various places of the world,
which you know, you imagine that the Windsor home is
a very specific thing that probably has a source, But
then they're all these other places in the world in Wales,
in British Columbia, in Mexico, Alabama, England, New Mexico too. Yeah,
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just all these places that experienced something like this, And
the question then becomes what could be causing the sound.
That's what they were attempting to answer in this case.
And they had the benefit, at least the residents of
Windsor had the benefit of a government that took this seriously.
Because other reports of hums have been investigated with much
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less rigor, you know, and you can also when you
read these studies, you can dig into the technical details
of the array they use, the algorithms they use, and
how they attempted to remove any alarmism or hysteria and
keep it all objective. But despite that, according to an
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excellent article by The Guardian, the hums persistent presence in
the city has inspired a slew of their words not ours,
conspiracy theories yep, from a PhD thesis that seeks to
incorporate or the noise into song or figure out what
kind of musical pattern, like you could sample the hum
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like you could or maybe it's and some other grand
song like a whale song or something. Gotcha, it's coming
but coming from the Rouge River or maybe the Detroit River, right, yeah,
so not maybe not a whale, but some sort of yes,
some sort of musical phenomenon. There are also theories, of course,
that link the hum too unidentified flying objects or UFOs,
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or possibly covert tunneling by the Canadian military. However, these studies,
although again they didn't definitively get their kaiser SoSE here,
they did pick what they would call a place of interest.
It's a little place called Zug Island. It's not real.
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It is is very much real, and it's an amazing
name for an island. It's a terrible name, Zug. What
is it like? I am king of the Zog's. Yeah,
it's like a it's like a space slug. Ye, strange.
They sound like enemies of the Upampas. Indeed, it's it's
got a different name, the whole island. It is kind
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of It is an island now, it wasn't always an island,
but it's a fascinating place. I'm sorry, I how to
something have not always been an island. I'm so glad
you asked. So. Originally the land, the land that would
become Zug Island, was a peninsula, and for thousands of years,
it was this uninhabited area that was also a Native
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American burial ground. True story. Yeah, an uninhabited Native American
burial ground. What do we mean by uninhabited? We mean
that native populations would go there to bury their dead
and would not live there because they would be living
on a sacred grave site. Yeah, and then you know, wow,
I'm picturing like a pet cemetery kind of situation. Well
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just wait, So then it becomes an island after a
canal is dug. Okay, so if you're looking at it
on Google Maps, um, Detroit is just above it. And
then across the river, of course, you've got windsor and
you're traveling down the Detroit River, there's this tiny little thing.
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It doesn't even look like an island at all. Um.
And that's because this canal was dug around this peninsula
area where the Rouge River goes into the Detroit River. Right. Yes,
So now with this canal, the idea was that the
ships would be able to save some time. That's that's
all it was meant for. That's all it is. It's
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a shortcut, and this allowed ships to bypass not even
that much of a distance, like several hundred yards. Maybe.
The island is named after a specific guy, Sammy Old Zug,
a bookkeeper and turned into a furniture magnet. I went
to Michigan to become a furniture magnet, and he turned
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into a real estate mogul. And originally he and his
wife were going to live on Zug Island. It didn't
really suit them, so he ended up selling it and
it became a place where a lot of industries originally
dumped stuff again on this burial ground, big industries to
we're talking iron and steelworks, and uh, it really has
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The work that's gone on on top of this land
has really taken a toll on it, oh the years.
And if you look at it in Google maps from above,
it looks just like a darkness, like a dystopian vision. Yeah,
from a steampunk novel. Yeah, yeah, it does have an
environmental toll. According to an article in the January edition
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of the Detroit Free Press, the neighborhoods around the area
comprised six of the ten most polluted zip codes in Michigan.
Six of the ten cheese. The air quality samples contain lead,
high levels of methyl ethel keytone. Large numbers of cancer
and asthma cases occur there. There are foul smells with
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sparkly dust that have to be removed with toilet cleaner cheese.
But the good news is local businesses, communities, and governments
have so far kept part of the island undeveloped and
otherwise scarce. Wildlife can thrive in those areas right now.
One of the big business on the island is US Steel,
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which you may recall, friends and neighbors, especially American friends
and neighbors from recent conversations about steel tariffs here in
the United States. Yeah, still in business. It's a big business.
You might not hear about it much unless it pops
up in a political sphere or unless you are involved
in the steel or iron making industry. But yes, it
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is a big deal. And US Steel. You might be
asking yourself, well, hey, guys, what do they do on
the island? We don't know. Well, according to US Steel
their website us steel dot com, this facility is called
Great Lakes Works, and on there it says this is
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just what it says, steelmaking occurs here. It has finishing
facilities and uh. Products manufactured at the plant include hot rolled,
cold rolled, and coated sheet steels that are used primarily
by customers in the automotive industry. However, if you look
at the thing and you look at the place, it
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doesn't look like much as going on there. That's the
other thing that's this is the primary beef people have
with it. They say that U. S Steel is uncooperative
in terms of allowing access to the island, and that
breeds of course, that breeds suspicion. Right, Yeah, But We've
run into this before with any kind of utility or
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large uh corporate entity or manufacturer. They don't want you
coming around their place. Right like with the we were
looking for the secret buildings, the hidden buildings in New
York and we found this power substation that was disguised
as like a you know, apartment. We wanted around there
for five minutes, and someone came out and told us
to get I mean in a very polite way. That
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was that's very nice guy. That's fair. I'm say I
don't think necessarily implies a conspiracy right off the bat um,
but you know, there's a probably good reason they don't
want people coming around. Yeah, this is a great point.
So the con Ed substation, Uh, the Motte substation with
Haven Mott Haven, thank you with two tease. Uh, that
place looks like in a fancy condo or apartment building
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that takes up an entire block, and they don't want
you there. This place is the literal garbage island. They
don't and they don't want you there, and it's it's
a great point. It doesn't mean that something the far
is going on. It just means that, look, they're not
going to be selling to the public. The four of
us aren't going to walk there and buy you know,
two tons of cold rolled steel for our purposes. Not
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this year, not this year saving up for that big
d I y home improvement project. I'm gonna build a
I'm gonna build a mech. But this is a great point.
I mean, that doesn't secrecy does not necessarily imply any
kind of uh, any kind of untoward activity. But we
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can totally see how people would think that because the
big question is, you know, if you're not doing anything wrong,
why can't we see it. One of the arguments, by
the way, from Mott Haven that substation is an argument
about security of infrastructure. So we we were able to
find it because we're you know, we're fairly intrepid. And
the big question for someone who's trying to protect that
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or keep a secret is, well, if these yea who's
could find this thing on their own, what would a
professional you know, militia or a group of spies or terrorists,
what would stop them from doing the same thing. Just
to jump on the arguments you guys are talking about
with the secrecy and everything, the other issue here is
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that it's an international problem, right, Yes, I mean We're
talking about two different countries that are separated by this
tiny little body of water going across and what people
on one side are being affected potentially by what's going
on on the other side. Yeah, as as you mentioned earlier, Matt,
they are going to inevitably affect one another regardless of
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what sort of political borders exist. They don't change the geography.
And that's also part of the reason why the Canadian
studies could not make definitive conclusions, right. They couldn't get access.
Uncle Sam said, nah, Well the U S. Steel said nah,
and then Uncle Sam said, that's right. That's my boy
got his back. So so they did their best isolated
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and again the science here is really solid and they're
pretty transparent about where they feel. Their study came up
short due to the unpredictable nature of the HUM. They
had all this equipment out, sometimes the HUM just wouldn't
show up. It does what it will. But they were
able to possibly trace the HUM to kind of a
specific area, and we'll talk about that right after a
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quick word from our sponsor and we're back, Matt. You're
absolutely correct. They traced it to Zug Island specifically, and furthermore,
they traced it to a blast furnace. Ye, dude, these
headings on this outline sound like the chapters of a
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of a young adult fiction book. We've got like Zug
Island and then the blast furnace, like episodes of Stranger
Things or something. This is a creepy location. Yeah, let's
pitch that Stranger Things season four Zug Island. I like it.
I would watch it, or maybe a reality show sort
of like The Bachelor in Paradise. But you're on this
like Toxic Waste Island. I know there's no actual toxic waste.
(31:12):
It just strikes me as like some sort of like
Russian toxic waste dumping site that time forgot. Kind of well,
I mean, this does have the workings of a horror
movie for me, because there is a native Native American
burial ground on top of which a giant industrial structure
is place that's polluting all the land below it, and
it's part of the industrial machine of the United States
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that killed all of the ancestors. So the Native people
come back from the dead and they're like have super
mutant strength and zombie powers, and they come to exact
their revenge on those that polluted there and and this
is in the movie, right, And the reason they rise
up is because they had to wait for the stars
(31:56):
and the planets to be in the right order. Maybe
that's the source of the hum Yeah, it is the
slow movement of the heavens. And they all say, then
that's too far. Maybe they all hum that would be scary.
Oh that's the sound. They're all humming at the same time.
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And then they've got to create the sympathetic vibration. Then
I don't know what we'll work. It opens up the
darkness between the stars rights itself. Right. But but aside
from our fantastic pitch, Paul, are you in for this
horror movie that we just pitched? All right, Great, he's in.
I don't know. That was a trefidatious Yes, I don't know.
(32:39):
We'll sell him on it. We'll get well, this is
just we're just spit volume. We'll get a treatment. We'll
do a one page. So while we're at it, let's
examine this this blast furnace. These furnaces are huge, They're
they're gigantic. They are as powerful as they sound. Essentially,
here's what occurs. Few also known as coke ores and
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limestone are continuously supplied through the top of the furnace
and at the bottom there's this blast of hot air,
sometimes with oxygen enriched inside of it, and it blows
through the lower section of the furnace through a series
of pipes, and the chemical reactions take place throughout the
furnace as the material, the oars and stuff fall downward.
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This has immense pressure. The end products are supposed to
be molten metal and various what they call slag phases
tapped from the bottom and then gases exiting the top
of the furnace. There's the thing at the top is
called a bell, and one of the blast furnaces on
Zug Island has a cracked bell top. This increases the
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amount of pollution it emits. It still works, but it's
not up to code. In U s Steel was fined
and told to make repairs on that infrastructure, specifically that
cracked bell. We know that from documents from the US government,
but this wasn't a huge story outside of the area.
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And this this altogether leads people to say that despite
the studies, despite the lack of a definitive conclusion, we
have our culprit. But now other people are not helping them,
helping the residents of Windsor investigate this specifically the town
of River Rouge. Yeah, this is a U S suburb,
(34:30):
this downstream from Detroit, and they claiming their city council
already spent over a million dollars to help Windsor to
find the source of this noise. However, they did say
the hume likely comes from the steel mill facilities on
Zug Island. So they're saying, look, we already gave you
a bunch of money, we already try to help. We're
pretty sure it's a zug, right right, And they're trying
(34:51):
to be as on the up and up as they
can and say, you know, we're not sure, but you know,
but it is ug. It is look at it right right.
Zug should be a word we used for either describing
something that's super cool or super messed up, and we
should always we should always be vague about it. Yeah,
(35:12):
sort of like ZEF. You know that group and everything ZEF.
I think that means it's cool. Nice for me. It's
all about warcraft. To the Orcs, if you clicked on them,
they'd go zug Zug. Oh So that okay, that's not
out a whole cloth. Then yeah, yeah, you know what,
maybe I'll get into the world of Warcraft one day.
(35:33):
I'm talking about with the original one, like the top down,
top down command and Conquer style. Only Command and Conquer
was it's you can kill little buildings too, write like
temples and stuff. Remember StarCraft. I played StarCraft. That was
sort of the next level one, right, yeah, post Warcraft two,
post Wow, I really want to get a magic game
(35:54):
together with you guys. The only problem is, Man, I
know you would probably wipe the floor with me, so
it might not be fun. Ben, I I can't say
I know you'd be great. I know Matt would would
be the greatest because he's got the most experience. I
would be the worst, but I would still enjoy it.
Maybe we could start easy and play Munchkin first and
then look our way up to Nat got me a
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this is a very kind thing. Years and years ago,
Matt and our friend Tyler, a super producer here at
how Stuff Works got made a magic deck for me
for birthday. If they picked the right cards they thought
would suit you and gave you a good balanced deck.
It was a pretty powerful black like and green. I
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do you still have it? Yeah? Of course, I keep
it at my desk in case, in case the opportunity
ever rises on a deck. That's cool. I'm gonna make
my own deck and then we can deck up nice.
And hopefully we can do that sooner rather than later. Speaking,
sooner rather than later, hopefully this mystery will be solved.
(36:59):
I don't know. I in your task you all, do
you feel like it's solved? Do you think they've they've
found this noise, this low frequency sound would therefore be
gas of some sort escaping the blast furnace, or it
would be just the operation of a specific blast furnace,
likely the one with the broken belltop. Well, you know,
(37:20):
at first, Well, I'd like to get your opinion on something.
I'm gonna have you pull up this link on YouTube
that's actually it's actually got a spectral wave form of
the home recording, and I just want you to tell
me what you see here. Well, I mean this is
that what we're looking at here is a spectral wave form,
which is a very specific type of view. Um it's
a little more precise, and you can use it to
(37:42):
isolate sounds that you wouldn't normally see, so you can
see things almost like as events. For example, So if
I wanted to get rid of a particular sound and
leave other sounds, I could look at the spectral wave
form and see, oh, here, at this moment, this other
event happens. If you're just looking at a standard wave form,
everything's kind of tied together, so there's really no differentiating
(38:02):
one type of sound from another. It's all like one
thing that makes sense. So in this spectral wave form,
you can see that the sound is a very low
frequency sound um between thirty and forty hurts, just very
very low in the spectrum um and it goes along
for about forty seconds, and then around the fifty second mark, Matt,
(38:23):
you pointed this out to me off Mike, it pitches
up a little bit to about eighty two a hundred
hurts and then stays there kind of plateaus there. And
in that spectral view you can also kind of see
a couple of little extra events happening above that base
level of the of the sound, whereas in that zero
to thirty portion of it there's nothing. Yeah, I I
(38:47):
found this strange, and I thought maybe you'd have some
inside on it. It feels to me like something possibly
metal or mechanical that is ceasing a process that is ceasing,
which too good to your question, I mean this is
you know, I'm not catch that from far away though,
you would only hear the part of the sound that
would carry You would only hear the low low, low, low,
low frequency part that would carry the long distance. Any
(39:10):
little extra clang you would only perceive that. I think
if you were close. Well, I guess if I'm imagining
the furnace, the way I'm imagining it is as you're
like shutting the process down, if you're just running it
for a certain time, as you're shutting it down, perhaps
there are some sounds with a cracked like you said,
cracked bell that just makes this higher pitch frequency if
(39:33):
you're really getting all the resonance because they said it's
aerial sound, so it's like resonance that's hitting the atmosphere
and coming back down. Well, that's true. And I will
say we're not looking at a cycle. I mean we're
we're obviously cycles consistently, because we're looking at about a
minute of this sound, and then at the end of
that minute that's where this other event happens. So you
know what I mean, it's not like on a loop
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there's something that changes in the sound. And I see
what you're saying, Matt. This isn't We're not looking at
a super spike and high frequencies. It's just like a
couple of you know, ten hurts higher, so it would
be it would still carry, but it could maybe represent
some change in process or something that happens physically to
make the sound contort in some way. And I see
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what you're saying that doesn't make sense. And this builds
a great case if that, if that is always what
we see each in each instance of the hum. For now,
just bite the research. Despite the effect this phenomenon has
the quality of life people in and around Windsor, Ontario,
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the hum continues as we record, There's not much that
winds Or can do. They are at a stand still
because even if the hum is caused by this blast furnace,
Windsor has no jurisdiction over the area. The community organizations
in charge of the river have been very clear and
(40:57):
saying that they're not going to continue pouring money into
the instigation. U S Steel is not worried about this
thing or really responding to increase. Do you think it's
really affecting people's quality of life. Ben like, do you
do you get the sense from the research here that
it really is a problem. Yeah, when I was, when
I was looking into it, I mean, obviously, the entire
(41:20):
city hasn't moved, so it's not as if people are
bleeding out of their ears and eyes or whatever. But yeah,
this stuff can have a debilitating effect, is Dr Kohen
pointed out. And it may sound strange, folks, as you're
listening to this, It may sound strange to think that
(41:40):
you might one day be in a situation where a
noise bugs you so much that you move. But take
that initial impression and play it out for seven years. Now, Well,
do you guys remember that Curb Your Enthusiasm episode where
they move into this new house and there's a house
sound every night there Larry and Cheryl are reading in
(42:00):
bed and there's just this little and it just happens
like once every now and then at night, and they
like have a workman come in, but he only comes
to night because that's the only time they hear it.
And then the episode ends with them like laying in
bed and they're talking and you can hear him the
other boy quiet quiet. I can't hear the sound. You know,
they do end up moving because of the house sounds.
(42:22):
So you know, well Larry David is also rather sensitive.
It was more. It was more Cheryl. I think, well,
those noises can can of course, they get drive you mad,
have a bad effect, especially psychologically. It's difficult to have
an unpredictable noise. That's one of the reasons why if
you're ever already kind of in an edgy mood and
(42:42):
you have to spend time with strangers and this probably
Matt probably drives you crazy as a talented percussionist. Like
let's say you're on a train somewhere or weighing an
elevator and someone's just gotta yeah, and it's off, especially
if it's a little off. And as you know, I
(43:02):
wish you could see Matt's expression, we are we are
speaking to the choir on this one. But yeah, that
unpredictability is part of it, you know, that lack of
agency in your own home. So that is the case
as it stands today. And thank you to everybody wrote
in and asked us to take a look at this.
I was really impressed Nonal and Matt by your your
(43:24):
audio digging here. As always, it was a fun moment.
Thanks for bringing that up man, it was it was neat.
You were very much welcome and humes similar to windsors
have been reported in, as Matt said earlier, at least
a dozen communities worldwide, Australia, England, Scotland, Wales. Uh. You
can check out our earlier video we did on stuff
(43:46):
they don't want you to know fayable on YouTube and
Amazon where we look at the Tao hump. If there's
a rattle connected with the hum, then I blame the
popular Irish band you too, there's a little rattle in there. Well,
if there's a you know they have that album Rattle
and Hum, it's a bad joke. I didn't even know that.
(44:08):
It's a deep cut. Well, we've finally made it to
our customary YouTube reference. Yeah, so what are your thoughts
on YouTube? Um, what are your thoughts on YouTube? Talking
You two to Me? I haven't listened to that one,
but I love, Love Love Josh. Are you talking R
A M? Reamy? With Scott Ackerman and Adam Scott. It's
(44:31):
their continuation of the are you talking You two to Me?
But they talk about R A M and they it's it.
I don't really even listen to podcast that much, you guys,
This one lights up my life. I love it so much.
Thank you Adam and Scott. Yeah, so send us um
and your correspondence will make sure they get it right.
And also, speaking of correspondents, have you encountered the winds
(44:53):
or hums specifically, or something like the hum in your
day to day life and your neck of the global woods.
We would like to hear from you. It don't feel obligated,
but if you happen to catch it, we'd also love
to hear an audio snippet of the sound you are describing,
because one thing we found was that this this hume,
(45:15):
in particular, it was not affecting certain genders more than others,
nor people of a certain age more than others, which
is fascinating because it ties into our earlier thing that
Matt brought to us from listener mail about using sound
to deter loiterers and ne'er dwells from a leisure center
smoking out on the streets and smoking out on the
(45:37):
streets playing craps, bobbing for apples prefer smoking in the
boys room. That's probably where are you? That makes more sense,
you know, it's a leisure center. The rules are different.
It's like the Vegas of community centers. Folks. We have
built since that listener mail episode, we have we have
(45:57):
built this image of leisure center in our minds that
that Honestly, I don't know if the real things will
ever compare. I think we need to raise some money
to build one right here in Atlanta. Atlanta stuff. They
don't want you to know a leisure center. Yeah, we'll
write to our sponsors, Illumination Global Unlimited. It will be
our legacy. Yeah, there we go. You know what, we've
earned it and uh, presidents get libraries, maybe podcasters should
(46:22):
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(47:05):
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(01:09):
put in our due diligence when it comes to finding
isolating and erasing strange or extraneous noises. And this brings
us to maybe an opening question for today's show. Have
you ever heard a sound that bugs you? Now, we're
not We're not referencing something like miss aphonia, where certain
noises push you into a blind rage, like snoring or
(01:31):
the sounds of forks on ceramics. That's a big one
for people. Uh, we're talking about something you just can't
quite put your finger on in some cases, as in
my case. In our home, there's a leaky faucet that
I have yet to fix, and I keep putting it off.
But man, that sound, it just feels like it reverberates
throughout my smile, my small home. Man, there's these sounds
(01:55):
happening again. It's almost like they're haunting me. But there
are other things, like maybe a fan in it's oscillating
just slightly as it's spinning around just a little too much.
You know, I have a family of rabid squirrels that
live in my attic. Oh wow, they make all kinds
of sounds. Oh yeah, they do. I've had that before.
We actually just fixed it, but I was really worried
(02:17):
that my landlord was gonna block off the whole while
the squirrels were still in there. And then the smell.
You didn't think of the smell, you know, Well, I
I texted him, please please don't close up the whole
while the squirrels are still in there. And he seemed
a little offended that I would think you would be
so stupid. But only response was sure, Oh, I thought
it was a reply was lull? No, it was sure.
(02:39):
Actually unclear about what that response, uh implied if he
was annoyed with me, or if he really hadn't considered
it right right. It's tough to tell in text, but
there is regardless of the source of the sound, there's
an immense satisfaction we can all agree and identifying it
and stopping it, you know, and you find a leaky faucet,
you fix it. The squirrels are out of the attic.
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But in some cases, that wine, that creek, that hum or,
that odd bump every every night at three seven am,
regardless of what you do. In some cases, they can
continue indefinitely. And for years, the entire city of Windsor, Ontario,
has been haunted by an unidentified noise. Locals compare it
(03:22):
to the sound of distant thunder, which actually sounds sort
of romantic and when you first think about it, or
a subwoofer at a concert which sounds torturous, or a
fleet of diesel engines idling and they call this the
Windsor hum So. Windsor, Ontario is right across the river
from Detroit, Michigan. It is the southernmost city in Canada
(03:45):
and actually due south of Detroit due to the way
the river bends. And it's counterintuitive on the map, it's
it's not a huge metropolis, you know, it's New New
York City, Shanghai or Chicago. But it's it's certainly not
a tiny town. It has a pretty pretty robust population,
(04:05):
has a metro area, right, yeah, And it is strange
to see it when you see Lake St. Clair and
then just this river, the Detroit River going down and
how really close these two cities are Detroit and Windsor.
It's it's odd. Yes, yes, it's odd. And they're so
close that they cannot not affect each other. Correct. The
(04:29):
total population of the Windsor metro area as of was
around three DT four thousand, seven seven people. It feels
weird to say around and then give the exact number,
but that probably has changed over time because we're in now.
As Noll pointed out, that metropolitan area includes more than
(04:51):
just Windsor has Tecumsa, Amherstburg, LaSalle and Lake shore included there,
and the a city has had its ups and downs.
The recession hit the area very hard. We're talking about
an automotive industry that went and declined steelmaking as well,
and this led a vice journalist named Minisha Krishnan to
(05:14):
compile a series of let's call them unflattering depictions of
the town. It was described as again, this is not us.
I don't think any of us have been to Windsor.
Have we not yet? No, No, I've never been to
Canada that I recall. We'll get up there. Let's get
up there together, guys. How about that? Sure, let's take
a trip. If we go to Windsor, According to some
(05:36):
of its critics, we will be visiting Canada's armpit, a
place known for car robberies, drug dealing, and quote zero
to little culture. One person poetically noted Windsor smells like
desperate American youth mixed with dirty Canadian hosers. Who are
these people talking such trash about Windsor? They're people from
(05:57):
winds of Windsor. One one student at the University of
Windsor said the city may smell and the university maybe,
but who gives up once you're drunk. Not a ringing endorsement,
but the city has been on the up and up recently. Yeah,
there's been some urban revitalization. Um the thing we call
(06:19):
you notice that down there. Gentrification maybe is another word
to to call it, but hey, it's been in full swing.
All kinds of things, you know, um, are are being
created there that used to be on the rebels of
someone else's troubles. There we go, that was well done.
That Yeah, Art Galleries and Windsor is also known for
(06:42):
its pizza. Apparently the secret is they cut the pepperoni
into small bits. Do you think it's sort of like
the New York New York pizza dough and bagels? Because
there's something weird going on in the water. Quite possibly,
I would. I would love to check it out, take
some tests to samples, yes, us for science. We can
pitch it to our bosses. If you live in the area,
(07:05):
right in and let them know that you'd love to
see us on the road. Foreshadowing. It's also known for
its strip clubs, and according to some more cynical locals,
the best thing about it is that it's close to Detroit,
really really close. Yeah. Atlanta is also known for its
strip clubs, just putting it out there because we have
(07:26):
something in common. Oddly enough, Portland is known for that too. Yeah.
The well, the last time I was there, the uber
driver told me he was listing facts about Portland's you know,
and uh he one of the facts he listed, somewhat awkwardly,
he said, I, you know, I don't know if you're
into this or what kind of trip you're on, but
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Portland has the highest per capita amount of strip clubs.
And it's like, you mean in Oregon And he said,
oh no, no, no, no, no, in the US. I
have not verified that. I'm not no judgment. I'm not
really strip club aficionado. I just picture the strippers in
Portland wearing all handmade clothes, right birds on it. I
(08:08):
don't know. Sorry, I love that. Sorry. We could only
hope you know that that sounds pretty interesting. Of course,
there is one other local phenomenon, and that is the
subject of today's episode, the hum Because, along with several
other small towns, Windsor, Ontario, has been plagued by this
humming sound in unpredictable ways, at least since two thousand eleven.
(08:32):
No one seems to know the origin of it. And
as of yet, as we record, no one has been
able to accurately predict when it will occur. And do
you want to let everybody hear what it sounds like.
We're gonna play a quick clip here. But if you
don't have some some pretty good headphones with frequency response
that goes well into the deep registers, you may not
(08:54):
be able to hear this um your phone. Definitely, if
you're playing with your phone speakers, you're not gonna be
able to hear it. So prepare yourselves with some either
headphones or speakers and listen to this. And that's it.
(09:19):
And I totally get the the whole sound of a
sub wiffer out in the distance, like there's a concert
occurring somewhere that you can't see, but you can totally
hear the base. I get that with this place called
Plaza Fiesta that's near my home, which is great. That's
my favorite place in Atlanta. It's one of the coolest
places in Atlanta. But if they have an outdoor concert
or something, you can totally hear the sub wolfer like
(09:43):
way way far away. Yes, yeah, because that sound carries
so powerfully, and we know that for many people listening
It may sound like you just sat through a couple
of seconds of silence, but as my fellow co Ho,
both of whom are noted audio experts, can assure you,
(10:04):
we really did play a clip that had a sound
in it, right, it was real. I mean Paul was
supposed to stick it in and post. He did his job, right. Then,
we did play a clip. We didn't make it happen manually, though.
We got the We got the drug. Yeah he did.
He did. Like to think. You know, he's the only
person on our show who gets introduced with the last name.
(10:25):
Isn't that kind of strange? I feel like if somehow
he's way more important than us. You can use any
last name you want on the show man. Oh yeah,
they call you Ben, all right, gotcha. You can use
any name you want. And you know, no, now that
I think about it, we've never checked to see whether
Matt's real name is Matt. I mean, he's kind of real, trustworthy.
(10:46):
Face that's true. He's doing it. He's doing it right now,
don't face you stop. It's kind of like it's it's
kind of like in Primal Fear, Edward Norton's character for
most of the movie yeh, did you see that till
the term I don't wantice while it, but but we do.
We do know that this thing is apparently real nowadays.
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If you're a person given to Facebook and you're interested
in this thing, there's good news. First, you can go
to our community page. Here's where it gets crazy, where
you can find where you can find us and your
fellow listeners sharing strange, bizarre stories and sometimes some really
solid jokes. Yeah, yeah, exactly. Come for the creepy stories,
stay for the memes. That's what we've always said, every time,
(11:34):
every time. And the second thing you could do if
you are interested in this is check out Some of
the Facebook groups dedicated to solving the mystery of the
hum have not conclusively solved it yet, and we'll we'll
tell you why in a moment. But the individuals in
these groups and other forms online share information about the phenomenon,
(11:54):
recordings of the actual sound as best they can record it,
descriptions of where they were when they encounter something in
the time of day, and so on. And we should
say that not all residents of the affected communities claimed
to have heard this, so you'll you'll run into people
who say, well, my dad heard it or my significant
other did, but I have not personally encountered it. But nonetheless,
(12:17):
it is a well known phenomenon in this area, and
virtually everyone believes it's real. There's no one at this
point saying it's hocus pocus or a load of hocum. Yeah,
the ranges, those people like you said, maybe my dad
heard it to other people who have four recording like
recorders set up on their property somewhere recording every day,
(12:37):
just listening to this hume and trying to figure it out.
And this made us think, you know, off air, we
had talked about this a little bit. This made us
think of how many strange noises we just encounter and
accept in our day to day. Now, the four of
us live in a city, we live in a metro area,
and really it's startling how many noises we just don't
(13:00):
consciously registered that surround us at all times. And Paul
was mentioning earlier that when he or when other filmmakers
stopped for room tone and everybody quiets down for a moment,
that's when you hear this strange you know, I don't know,
a chuff, whatever it is, it's always something, especially if
(13:22):
you're outdoors, that's when you'll hear the construction equipment that's
going on miles away that you had no idea what
was happening, but you can totally hear it. And so
it's not unusual to have strange noises in our lives.
But the hum is a little bit different in this
case because it has been linked to detrimental health effects. Yeah,
(13:44):
I mean, this's that's definitely changes the game a little bit.
It's been linked to actual physical symptoms like depression, which
seems broad to me, But we can move on from that,
and here's some more measurable ones. I would say nausea,
sleep problems, heart palpitations, ear aches, headaches, not to mention
another one that's a little broad, but I love it,
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wide spread annoyance. That pro that's probably the most easily understood. Yea, yeah,
I guess. I guess when I say broad, it just
mean like one person's base level is another person's hyper annoyed. Um.
But I'm more interested in the you know, the hard
palpitations and the ear aches and anything physical like that.
You know. I mean, it sounds like most of the
people that live in winds Are, Ontario are probably pretty
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depressed and annoyed already. If if the descriptions are any indication,
just putting that out there, no judgment on you. Wins
are these are in your words? Right? Yeah? These again
we haven't we haven't been there. But I appreciate the
point you mentioned all about baselines being radically different. You know,
some people are just real pills. That's a tragedy of
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the human condition. But some experts have started calling this
a vibro acoustic disease, which sounds cool but a little
redundant in my opinion. There's a medical opinion we found
from a Dr. Darius Kohen, who is the director of
Autology and Neurotology at Lenox Hill Hospital in Manhattan Eye, Ear,
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and Throat Hospital, and he said that the low frequency
hume was unlikely to cause long term hearing damage, similar
to what we had talked about in our previous episode
on sonic weapons in Cuba, but it could be as
debilitating as tonitis. Tonitus is that persistent ringing in the
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ears that just ruins life for some people, which I
think you get from pretty slow and steady hearing damage
over time. That's certainly one way, Like if you're a
sound guy, for example, and you're constantly exposing your ears
to you know, above recommended decibel levels, you know, on
the regular, you could develop something like this. I could
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see how this relatively imperceptible low frequency sound to to
most or you know, obviously it's perceptible, but it's certainly
kind of it's not to the point where you can't
year over it. It's just sort of like this base
level kind of buzz. I could see how over time,
if it was strong and a frequency, it could probably
damage your hearing well. And the other thing is, since
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it's such a low frequency, it penetrates things like walls
when you're in your home. It's their reports of being
able to hear it sitting in the middle of your
living room or in your bedroom when you're trying to sleep.
So and if you imagine that sound of if there
was a subwoff for somewhere outside of your house, just
just going I'm picturing this sound as like a personification
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of some sort of creepy dude and like a trench
coat just like coming into your house while you're sleep,
just humming in your ear. Jeez, I would take the dude, honestly,
because you can do something about it. You can put
down some just do what you said about You're like,
you know, it couldn't come through walls, it's coming in
while you're sleeping, It's constantly outside knocking on your Yeah.
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I mean it's a great point. And another worthwhile point
to make is that this is not a case of
people imagining and noise. This is not mass hysteria. This
is not a shared audio hallucination, at least not all
the time. Because surely when you have a population this size,
there are going to be a couple of people who
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are mistaken. Maybe it really was just their neighbor's sub moover. Yeah,
if it's just a couple of residents around the town
talking about, hey, I kind of heard this thing, maybe
open can I clarify with you? So this Dr Cohen Cohan,
he is he saying that the sound itself, when experienced,
could be as debilitating as tonitis. Just this the existence
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of it constantly in your life, or that it could
cause the kind of effects that tonitus would cause over time.
Great question. Know that it would be equally as much
of a pain in the key stor as tonitus thought
that it would cause it. Okay, well, I think I
mischaracterized it entirely then, But um, yeah, it's interesting. I mean,
I bet you there's a there's an alternate opinion too,
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probably or probably many. Oh yes, so we will encounter
them this thing. Here's how real it is. This thing
is so painful to part of the population that they've
packed up, they've moved, they've raised their tent stakes and
tried to escape the HUM. So what on earth is
this thing? Where does it come from? We'll tell you
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after a word from our sponsor. Here's where it gets crazy,
because you see, the concern about the HUM went beyond
chatter a town hall and angry posts on forums. The
authorities got involved. Yeah, the Canadian government itself did. There
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was a months long investigation by Natural Resources Canada in
the summer of and it identified the HUM as a
prominent airborne frequency of approximately thirty five hurts. And there
is a report that you can read on this that
you can find online by the Geological Survey of Canada
to it was performed inn and uh it goes through
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exactly what they found. Yeah, And there was another fourteen
investigation carried out by the University of Western Ontario or
u w O and the University of Windsor, and they
were supported in this study by the Canadian Department of
Foreign Affairs and International Trade or de fight UH Fight
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the Fight Uh. They also confirmed the existence of the
home in their study, and both of these endeavors were
able to prove that there was something weird going on,
something amiss, even if they could not conclusively discern the source.
They feel like they got close though. They feel like
they got close. And in that study they even look
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at the hume in general that we've spoken about on
this show before, in all these various places of the world,
which you know, you imagine that the Windsor home is
a very specific thing that probably has a source, But
then they're all these other places in the world in Wales,
in British Columbia, in Mexico, Alabama, England, New Mexico too. Yeah,
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just all these places that experienced something like this, And
the question then becomes what could be causing the sound.
That's what they were attempting to answer in this case.
And they had the benefit, at least the residents of
Windsor had the benefit of a government that took this seriously.
Because other reports of hums have been investigated with much
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less rigor, you know, and you can also when you
read these studies, you can dig into the technical details
of the array they use, the algorithms they use, and
how they attempted to remove any alarmism or hysteria and
keep it all objective. But despite that, according to an
(20:52):
excellent article by The Guardian, the hums persistent presence in
the city has inspired a slew of their words not ours,
conspiracy theories yep, from a PhD thesis that seeks to
incorporate or the noise into song or figure out what
kind of musical pattern, like you could sample the hum
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like you could or maybe it's and some other grand
song like a whale song or something. Gotcha, it's coming
but coming from the Rouge River or maybe the Detroit River, right, yeah,
so not maybe not a whale, but some sort of yes,
some sort of musical phenomenon. There are also theories, of course,
that link the hum too unidentified flying objects or UFOs,
(21:38):
or possibly covert tunneling by the Canadian military. However, these studies,
although again they didn't definitively get their kaiser SoSE here,
they did pick what they would call a place of interest.
It's a little place called Zug Island. It's not real.
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It is is very much real, and it's an amazing
name for an island. It's a terrible name, Zug. What
is it like? I am king of the Zog's. Yeah,
it's like a it's like a space slug. Ye, strange.
They sound like enemies of the Upampas. Indeed, it's it's
got a different name, the whole island. It is kind
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of It is an island now, it wasn't always an island,
but it's a fascinating place. I'm sorry, I how to
something have not always been an island. I'm so glad
you asked. So. Originally the land, the land that would
become Zug Island, was a peninsula, and for thousands of years,
it was this uninhabited area that was also a Native
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American burial ground. True story. Yeah, an uninhabited Native American
burial ground. What do we mean by uninhabited? We mean
that native populations would go there to bury their dead
and would not live there because they would be living
on a sacred grave site. Yeah, and then you know, wow,
I'm picturing like a pet cemetery kind of situation. Well
(23:04):
just wait, So then it becomes an island after a
canal is dug. Okay, so if you're looking at it
on Google Maps, um, Detroit is just above it. And
then across the river, of course, you've got windsor and
you're traveling down the Detroit River, there's this tiny little thing.
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It doesn't even look like an island at all. Um.
And that's because this canal was dug around this peninsula
area where the Rouge River goes into the Detroit River. Right. Yes,
So now with this canal, the idea was that the
ships would be able to save some time. That's that's
all it was meant for. That's all it is. It's
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a shortcut, and this allowed ships to bypass not even
that much of a distance, like several hundred yards. Maybe.
The island is named after a specific guy, Sammy Old Zug,
a bookkeeper and turned into a furniture magnet. I went
to Michigan to become a furniture magnet, and he turned
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into a real estate mogul. And originally he and his
wife were going to live on Zug Island. It didn't
really suit them, so he ended up selling it and
it became a place where a lot of industries originally
dumped stuff again on this burial ground, big industries to
we're talking iron and steelworks, and uh, it really has
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The work that's gone on on top of this land
has really taken a toll on it, oh the years.
And if you look at it in Google maps from above,
it looks just like a darkness, like a dystopian vision. Yeah,
from a steampunk novel. Yeah, yeah, it does have an
environmental toll. According to an article in the January edition
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of the Detroit Free Press, the neighborhoods around the area
comprised six of the ten most polluted zip codes in Michigan.
Six of the ten cheese. The air quality samples contain lead,
high levels of methyl ethel keytone. Large numbers of cancer
and asthma cases occur there. There are foul smells with
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sparkly dust that have to be removed with toilet cleaner cheese.
But the good news is local businesses, communities, and governments
have so far kept part of the island undeveloped and
otherwise scarce. Wildlife can thrive in those areas right now.
One of the big business on the island is US Steel,
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which you may recall, friends and neighbors, especially American friends
and neighbors from recent conversations about steel tariffs here in
the United States. Yeah, still in business. It's a big business.
You might not hear about it much unless it pops
up in a political sphere or unless you are involved
in the steel or iron making industry. But yes, it
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is a big deal. And US Steel. You might be
asking yourself, well, hey, guys, what do they do on
the island? We don't know. Well, according to US Steel
their website us steel dot com, this facility is called
Great Lakes Works, and on there it says this is
(26:20):
just what it says, steelmaking occurs here. It has finishing
facilities and uh. Products manufactured at the plant include hot rolled,
cold rolled, and coated sheet steels that are used primarily
by customers in the automotive industry. However, if you look
at the thing and you look at the place, it
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doesn't look like much as going on there. That's the
other thing that's this is the primary beef people have
with it. They say that U. S Steel is uncooperative
in terms of allowing access to the island, and that
breeds of course, that breeds suspicion. Right, Yeah, But We've
run into this before with any kind of utility or
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large uh corporate entity or manufacturer. They don't want you
coming around their place. Right like with the we were
looking for the secret buildings, the hidden buildings in New
York and we found this power substation that was disguised
as like a you know, apartment. We wanted around there
for five minutes, and someone came out and told us
to get I mean in a very polite way. That
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was that's very nice guy. That's fair. I'm say I
don't think necessarily implies a conspiracy right off the bat um,
but you know, there's a probably good reason they don't
want people coming around. Yeah, this is a great point.
So the con Ed substation, Uh, the Motte substation with
Haven Mott Haven, thank you with two tease. Uh, that
place looks like in a fancy condo or apartment building
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that takes up an entire block, and they don't want
you there. This place is the literal garbage island. They
don't and they don't want you there, and it's it's
a great point. It doesn't mean that something the far
is going on. It just means that, look, they're not
going to be selling to the public. The four of
us aren't going to walk there and buy you know,
two tons of cold rolled steel for our purposes. Not
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this year, not this year saving up for that big
d I y home improvement project. I'm gonna build a
I'm gonna build a mech. But this is a great point.
I mean, that doesn't secrecy does not necessarily imply any
kind of uh, any kind of untoward activity. But we
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can totally see how people would think that because the
big question is, you know, if you're not doing anything wrong,
why can't we see it. One of the arguments, by
the way, from Mott Haven that substation is an argument
about security of infrastructure. So we we were able to
find it because we're you know, we're fairly intrepid. And
the big question for someone who's trying to protect that
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or keep a secret is, well, if these yea who's
could find this thing on their own, what would a
professional you know, militia or a group of spies or terrorists,
what would stop them from doing the same thing. Just
to jump on the arguments you guys are talking about
with the secrecy and everything, the other issue here is
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that it's an international problem, right, Yes, I mean We're
talking about two different countries that are separated by this
tiny little body of water going across and what people
on one side are being affected potentially by what's going
on on the other side. Yeah, as as you mentioned earlier, Matt,
they are going to inevitably affect one another regardless of
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what sort of political borders exist. They don't change the geography.
And that's also part of the reason why the Canadian
studies could not make definitive conclusions, right. They couldn't get access.
Uncle Sam said, nah, Well the U S. Steel said nah,
and then Uncle Sam said, that's right. That's my boy
got his back. So so they did their best isolated
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and again the science here is really solid and they're
pretty transparent about where they feel. Their study came up
short due to the unpredictable nature of the HUM. They
had all this equipment out, sometimes the HUM just wouldn't
show up. It does what it will. But they were
able to possibly trace the HUM to kind of a
specific area, and we'll talk about that right after a
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quick word from our sponsor and we're back, Matt. You're
absolutely correct. They traced it to Zug Island specifically, and furthermore,
they traced it to a blast furnace. Ye, dude, these
headings on this outline sound like the chapters of a
(30:49):
of a young adult fiction book. We've got like Zug
Island and then the blast furnace, like episodes of Stranger
Things or something. This is a creepy location. Yeah, let's
pitch that Stranger Things season four Zug Island. I like it.
I would watch it, or maybe a reality show sort
of like The Bachelor in Paradise. But you're on this
like Toxic Waste Island. I know there's no actual toxic waste.
(31:12):
It just strikes me as like some sort of like
Russian toxic waste dumping site that time forgot. Kind of well,
I mean, this does have the workings of a horror
movie for me, because there is a native Native American
burial ground on top of which a giant industrial structure
is place that's polluting all the land below it, and
it's part of the industrial machine of the United States
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that killed all of the ancestors. So the Native people
come back from the dead and they're like have super
mutant strength and zombie powers, and they come to exact
their revenge on those that polluted there and and this
is in the movie, right, And the reason they rise
up is because they had to wait for the stars
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and the planets to be in the right order. Maybe
that's the source of the hum Yeah, it is the
slow movement of the heavens. And they all say, then
that's too far. Maybe they all hum that would be scary.
Oh that's the sound. They're all humming at the same time.
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And then they've got to create the sympathetic vibration. Then
I don't know what we'll work. It opens up the
darkness between the stars rights itself. Right. But but aside
from our fantastic pitch, Paul, are you in for this
horror movie that we just pitched? All right, Great, he's in.
I don't know. That was a trefidatious Yes, I don't know.
(32:39):
We'll sell him on it. We'll get well, this is
just we're just spit volume. We'll get a treatment. We'll
do a one page. So while we're at it, let's
examine this this blast furnace. These furnaces are huge, They're
they're gigantic. They are as powerful as they sound. Essentially,
here's what occurs. Few also known as coke ores and
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limestone are continuously supplied through the top of the furnace
and at the bottom there's this blast of hot air,
sometimes with oxygen enriched inside of it, and it blows
through the lower section of the furnace through a series
of pipes, and the chemical reactions take place throughout the
furnace as the material, the oars and stuff fall downward.
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This has immense pressure. The end products are supposed to
be molten metal and various what they call slag phases
tapped from the bottom and then gases exiting the top
of the furnace. There's the thing at the top is
called a bell, and one of the blast furnaces on
Zug Island has a cracked bell top. This increases the
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amount of pollution it emits. It still works, but it's
not up to code. In U s Steel was fined
and told to make repairs on that infrastructure, specifically that
cracked bell. We know that from documents from the US government,
but this wasn't a huge story outside of the area.
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And this this altogether leads people to say that despite
the studies, despite the lack of a definitive conclusion, we
have our culprit. But now other people are not helping them,
helping the residents of Windsor investigate this specifically the town
of River Rouge. Yeah, this is a U S suburb,
(34:30):
this downstream from Detroit, and they claiming their city council
already spent over a million dollars to help Windsor to
find the source of this noise. However, they did say
the hume likely comes from the steel mill facilities on
Zug Island. So they're saying, look, we already gave you
a bunch of money, we already try to help. We're
pretty sure it's a zug, right right, And they're trying
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to be as on the up and up as they
can and say, you know, we're not sure, but you know,
but it is ug. It is look at it right right.
Zug should be a word we used for either describing
something that's super cool or super messed up, and we
should always we should always be vague about it. Yeah,
(35:12):
sort of like ZEF. You know that group and everything ZEF.
I think that means it's cool. Nice for me. It's
all about warcraft. To the Orcs, if you clicked on them,
they'd go zug Zug. Oh So that okay, that's not
out a whole cloth. Then yeah, yeah, you know what,
maybe I'll get into the world of Warcraft one day.
(35:33):
I'm talking about with the original one, like the top down,
top down command and Conquer style. Only Command and Conquer
was it's you can kill little buildings too, write like
temples and stuff. Remember StarCraft. I played StarCraft. That was
sort of the next level one, right, yeah, post Warcraft two,
post Wow, I really want to get a magic game
(35:54):
together with you guys. The only problem is, Man, I
know you would probably wipe the floor with me, so
it might not be fun. Ben, I I can't say
I know you'd be great. I know Matt would would
be the greatest because he's got the most experience. I
would be the worst, but I would still enjoy it.
Maybe we could start easy and play Munchkin first and
then look our way up to Nat got me a
(36:14):
this is a very kind thing. Years and years ago,
Matt and our friend Tyler, a super producer here at
how Stuff Works got made a magic deck for me
for birthday. If they picked the right cards they thought
would suit you and gave you a good balanced deck.
It was a pretty powerful black like and green. I
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do you still have it? Yeah? Of course, I keep
it at my desk in case, in case the opportunity
ever rises on a deck. That's cool. I'm gonna make
my own deck and then we can deck up nice.
And hopefully we can do that sooner rather than later. Speaking,
sooner rather than later, hopefully this mystery will be solved.
(36:59):
I don't know. I in your task you all, do
you feel like it's solved? Do you think they've they've
found this noise, this low frequency sound would therefore be
gas of some sort escaping the blast furnace, or it
would be just the operation of a specific blast furnace,
likely the one with the broken belltop. Well, you know,
(37:20):
at first, Well, I'd like to get your opinion on something.
I'm gonna have you pull up this link on YouTube
that's actually it's actually got a spectral wave form of
the home recording, and I just want you to tell
me what you see here. Well, I mean this is
that what we're looking at here is a spectral wave form,
which is a very specific type of view. Um it's
a little more precise, and you can use it to
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isolate sounds that you wouldn't normally see, so you can
see things almost like as events. For example, So if
I wanted to get rid of a particular sound and
leave other sounds, I could look at the spectral wave
form and see, oh, here, at this moment, this other
event happens. If you're just looking at a standard wave form,
everything's kind of tied together, so there's really no differentiating
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one type of sound from another. It's all like one
thing that makes sense. So in this spectral wave form,
you can see that the sound is a very low
frequency sound um between thirty and forty hurts, just very
very low in the spectrum um and it goes along
for about forty seconds, and then around the fifty second mark, Matt,
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you pointed this out to me off Mike, it pitches
up a little bit to about eighty two a hundred
hurts and then stays there kind of plateaus there. And
in that spectral view you can also kind of see
a couple of little extra events happening above that base
level of the of the sound, whereas in that zero
to thirty portion of it there's nothing. Yeah, I I
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found this strange, and I thought maybe you'd have some
inside on it. It feels to me like something possibly
metal or mechanical that is ceasing a process that is ceasing,
which too good to your question, I mean this is
you know, I'm not catch that from far away though,
you would only hear the part of the sound that
would carry You would only hear the low low, low, low,
low frequency part that would carry the long distance. Any
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little extra clang you would only perceive that. I think
if you were close. Well, I guess if I'm imagining
the furnace, the way I'm imagining it is as you're
like shutting the process down, if you're just running it
for a certain time, as you're shutting it down, perhaps
there are some sounds with a cracked like you said,
cracked bell that just makes this higher pitch frequency if
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you're really getting all the resonance because they said it's
aerial sound, so it's like resonance that's hitting the atmosphere
and coming back down. Well, that's true. And I will
say we're not looking at a cycle. I mean we're
we're obviously cycles consistently, because we're looking at about a
minute of this sound, and then at the end of
that minute that's where this other event happens. So you
know what I mean, it's not like on a loop
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there's something that changes in the sound. And I see
what you're saying, Matt. This isn't We're not looking at
a super spike and high frequencies. It's just like a
couple of you know, ten hurts higher, so it would
be it would still carry, but it could maybe represent
some change in process or something that happens physically to
make the sound contort in some way. And I see
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what you're saying that doesn't make sense. And this builds
a great case if that, if that is always what
we see each in each instance of the hum. For now,
just bite the research. Despite the effect this phenomenon has
the quality of life people in and around Windsor, Ontario,
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the hum continues as we record, There's not much that
winds Or can do. They are at a stand still
because even if the hum is caused by this blast furnace,
Windsor has no jurisdiction over the area. The community organizations
in charge of the river have been very clear and
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saying that they're not going to continue pouring money into
the instigation. U S Steel is not worried about this
thing or really responding to increase. Do you think it's
really affecting people's quality of life. Ben like, do you
do you get the sense from the research here that
it really is a problem. Yeah, when I was, when
I was looking into it, I mean, obviously, the entire
(41:20):
city hasn't moved, so it's not as if people are
bleeding out of their ears and eyes or whatever. But yeah,
this stuff can have a debilitating effect, is Dr Kohen
pointed out. And it may sound strange, folks, as you're
listening to this, It may sound strange to think that
(41:40):
you might one day be in a situation where a
noise bugs you so much that you move. But take
that initial impression and play it out for seven years. Now, Well,
do you guys remember that Curb Your Enthusiasm episode where
they move into this new house and there's a house
sound every night there Larry and Cheryl are reading in
(42:00):
bed and there's just this little and it just happens
like once every now and then at night, and they
like have a workman come in, but he only comes
to night because that's the only time they hear it.
And then the episode ends with them like laying in
bed and they're talking and you can hear him the
other boy quiet quiet. I can't hear the sound. You know,
they do end up moving because of the house sounds.
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So you know, well Larry David is also rather sensitive.
It was more. It was more Cheryl. I think, well,
those noises can can of course, they get drive you mad,
have a bad effect, especially psychologically. It's difficult to have
an unpredictable noise. That's one of the reasons why if
you're ever already kind of in an edgy mood and
(42:42):
you have to spend time with strangers and this probably
Matt probably drives you crazy as a talented percussionist. Like
let's say you're on a train somewhere or weighing an
elevator and someone's just gotta yeah, and it's off, especially
if it's a little off. And as you know, I
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wish you could see Matt's expression, we are we are
speaking to the choir on this one. But yeah, that
unpredictability is part of it, you know, that lack of
agency in your own home. So that is the case
as it stands today. And thank you to everybody wrote
in and asked us to take a look at this.
I was really impressed Nonal and Matt by your your
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audio digging here. As always, it was a fun moment.
Thanks for bringing that up man, it was it was neat.
You were very much welcome and humes similar to windsors
have been reported in, as Matt said earlier, at least
a dozen communities worldwide, Australia, England, Scotland, Wales. Uh. You
can check out our earlier video we did on stuff
(43:46):
they don't want you to know fayable on YouTube and
Amazon where we look at the Tao hump. If there's
a rattle connected with the hum, then I blame the
popular Irish band you too, there's a little rattle in there. Well,
if there's a you know they have that album Rattle
and Hum, it's a bad joke. I didn't even know that.
(44:08):
It's a deep cut. Well, we've finally made it to
our customary YouTube reference. Yeah, so what are your thoughts
on YouTube? Um, what are your thoughts on YouTube? Talking
You two to Me? I haven't listened to that one,
but I love, Love Love Josh. Are you talking R
A M? Reamy? With Scott Ackerman and Adam Scott. It's
(44:31):
their continuation of the are you talking You two to Me?
But they talk about R A M and they it's it.
I don't really even listen to podcast that much, you guys,
This one lights up my life. I love it so much.
Thank you Adam and Scott. Yeah, so send us um
and your correspondence will make sure they get it right.
And also, speaking of correspondents, have you encountered the winds
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or hums specifically, or something like the hum in your
day to day life and your neck of the global woods.
We would like to hear from you. It don't feel obligated,
but if you happen to catch it, we'd also love
to hear an audio snippet of the sound you are describing,
because one thing we found was that this this hume,
(45:15):
in particular, it was not affecting certain genders more than others,
nor people of a certain age more than others, which
is fascinating because it ties into our earlier thing that
Matt brought to us from listener mail about using sound
to deter loiterers and ne'er dwells from a leisure center
smoking out on the streets and smoking out on the
(45:37):
streets playing craps, bobbing for apples prefer smoking in the
boys room. That's probably where are you? That makes more sense,
you know, it's a leisure center. The rules are different.
It's like the Vegas of community centers. Folks. We have
built since that listener mail episode, we have we have
(45:57):
built this image of leisure center in our minds that
that Honestly, I don't know if the real things will
ever compare. I think we need to raise some money
to build one right here in Atlanta. Atlanta stuff. They
don't want you to know a leisure center. Yeah, we'll
write to our sponsors, Illumination Global Unlimited. It will be
our legacy. Yeah, there we go. You know what, we've
earned it and uh, presidents get libraries, maybe podcasters should
(46:22):
get leisure centers. There has to be a water slide though,
I'm putting my foot down, So tell us what you
think waterslide? Yes or no. You can find us on Facebook.
You can find us on Twitter where conspiracy stuff, conspiracy
stuff show on Instagram. Uh. If you don't want to
do those things, but you still want to send us
a message, you can call us what I was that
(46:44):
that was a bait and switch. Yeah, you can call
He's not kidding, folks. One eight three three st d
w y t K. That's one eight three three seven
eight three, nine eight five. We've got plans for the
He's a missives, big plans we want. This was inspired
(47:05):
by the folks who wrote in and attached audio clips
of themselves talking to us. We thought this was a
great idea, and as we often say, you are the
most important part of the show, we want to hear
from you. Pick up your phone, drop us a line.
Nothing weird and if phones totally freak you out. In
addition to the Internet, well let's still got to use
the Internet a little bit to do this next part.
(47:26):
You can write it's an email. We are conspiracy at
how stuff Works dot com.
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