April 7, 2017 • 48 mins
For millenia people across the planet have reported seeing bizarre objects in the sky. However, efforts to collect and analyze these reports have often fallen victim to poor methodology, a lack of funding or an overt agenda. Luckily, the situation has changed for the better in recent years. So what does the latest info tell us about UFO sightings? Where are they occur most frequently? The answer might surprise you.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is
riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or
learn the stuff they don't want you to know. Hello,
(00:23):
my name is Matt flashing lights Frederick, and this is
eight Nolian Brown. Now that's bad, but I'm good. Now
I'm gonna get good. I'm just I'm gonna i'm i'm
I've made my bed now I'm gonna align it. And
then Max Powers Astronaut with a secret. You are you
that makes this stuff they don't want you to know?
Do that part from the opening again where you say
the thing about the thing, from from something to something,
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from UFOs to ghosts and government cover ups. You could
turn back now or learn the stuff they don't want
you to know. That which is our show that I'm sorry.
I didn't mean to be redundant. I just thought, you know,
we haven't talked about aliens a hot manute. We have
not that is true. That is true, and long time
listeners from the video series know that we slightly change
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the language of the opener over time because we used
to have um maybe UFOs UM. So we haven't had
any kind of coverage about UFOs in a long time,
and we wanted to come back and explore that a
little bit today before we hop on our own very
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well identified flying object and head out to meet many
of you in New York. I'm really looking forward to it.
I know at least one of you is going to
be there. Yeah, I think so. We're all on the
same flight. So if one of us doesn't make it,
you guys, I know you guys gonna gonna be like
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the beginning of every Marine Corps movie. Look to your left,
look to your right. One of you won't make it.
Oh my gosh, it's so, what is the UFO. Let's
just start there. What is this thing? Well, this is
a bit of a disclaimer that we have to make
at the top of these. The UFO does not mean
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aliens full stop. It could perhaps who knows, extra tresh reels.
It just means it's unidentified, and that means it could
be anything. It's true. It could be a helicopter. It
could be a particularly determined swan. Yeah, that's just having
light reflected off of it in a strange way. It
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could be somebody base jumping good old swamp gas. Who
could be swamp gas. One thing's for sure, a will
of the wisp, A will of the wisp? Yes, are
you going to be a will of the wisp? Or
won't of the wisp? That's good man, that's it's good
of your idea. But that I can see that as
like a like one of the posters with the kittens
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hanging from the tree. I think you have a future
and inspirational memorabilia ahead of you. Thank you, thank you. Well.
That's good because if my job were to identify UFOs, I,
like most other people who would tipped this endeavor, would
be at a loss. There's one thing that a lot
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of people don't realize about UFO sightings. We know that
they happen every year around the globe, but I did
not know this. I don't know if you guys knew
this already. Not only are UFO sightings at an all
time high, uh, but thereby far an American thing. They're
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super They're super common in the US and Canada, and
more so in Canada. That's right. The findings are based
on data that was crunched by Sam Montfort, a doctoral
student in Human factors and Applied cognition. Was that was
that a fun acronym? That is not really doesn't really
spell anything. Um, you know, can't you can't even can't
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even speak it. And that was at George Mason University
um So. Monfort wrote up his findings in a blog
update that used information from the National UFO Reporting Center,
which does have a fun acronymic. It's New Fork UM
and I feel like that's like a town in Rhode Island,
New Fork, Rhode Island. Doesn't it sound like it would
be better for right exactly up? Um and New Fork
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is an organization that documents UFO sightings. Now, according to
this report, these UFAs, the UFOs have been increasingly popping up,
with one hundred and four thousand, nine hundred and forty
seven reported sightings just over the past one hundred plus years.
And there's an important thing here too, because what does
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reported mean after a certain amount of time. It means
that it made it into print. You know, like a
hundred years ago, people wouldn't count a reported sighting as
somebody just talking about it. It It will have to be
in some sort of official government document, etcetera. So they're
probably more than these, and then there's probably a lot
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they're written down in people's diaries and so on, and
of course for the UFO enthusiasts, we know that reported
sightings date back into antiquity of just weird stuff in
the sky. This is focusing on a very specific period,
so they're not saying that those other you know, ancient
glimpses never occurred. What about police reports? Do you think
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UFO reports ever end up in that form? And are
those available to the public by by um, you know,
there are stars requests, there are some police reports. Usually
it's a person reporting to the police. Then the police
will like drop something down. Uh. And then especially if
an individual sees a UFO and reports to the police
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and they also report it to Newfon or move On
or you know whatever else whoever else they reported to,
that will be noted a lot of times in the
documents there. Okay, So I wonder if anybody has ever
tried to use a UFO sighting to get out of
some kind of altercation with the police. So as excuse me, uh, Sarah,
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we've had reports of a crack pipe being detected in
this vicinity. As somebody ever said they visited me and
they dropped this from the sky. I'm sure someone has
those crack smoking et s man, Yeah, right right. I
still think it's the CIA, though more so the extra terrestrials.
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The first recorded incident in in this report that momfort
does apparently occurred in Portland all the way back in
nineteen o five, and viewers reported seeing this buzzing sphere
shaped UFO that descended from the sky. But sightings have
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spiked drum attically over the past three decades, with the
reported number jumping from like five thousand and nineteen to
forty five thousand and two. What's going on in this
report reinforces this idea that UFO sightings are largely a
United States thing. The US collectively reports around sightings per
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ten million people, which is three hundred times more than
the global median. That's pretty huge. Feels kind of like
our same the same proportion of our military spending to
other parts of the world. Um and more of these
sightings are reported in states in the west and northwest,
with some of the states in the Northeast they're like
lagging just behind those, So we're really looking at the
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edges the coasts. And a new report came out very recently. Uh.
These two authors, Cheryl Costa and Linda Millard Costa released
essentially a book the detail more modern UFO sightings in
the United States. These were aggregated from reports that were
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given to New Fork and Too. You may have heard
Matt mentioned this acronym before. What was it? Move on, Yeah,
move on the mutual UFO network, which sounds kind of
made up, but we promise you, ladies and gentlemen, it's
a it's a genuine thing. Yes, it is. Like you
can call these people and report something strange in the sky.
That's why the organization exists. And it goes into a
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document and you can then search it later and you
will see that it's there and other people can see it. Yea.
So they collected this stuff just from two thousand one
to two thousand fifteen, and they came out with the
book named It's the UFO Sightings Desk Reference, not to
be confused with the Physicians Desk Reference colin United States
of America two thousand one. So they have over a
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hundred thousand sightings that they've collected, and we have, uh,
we have the quote from them what they're going for.
Since nineteen sixty nine, the government has claimed no interest
in the subject, and the press and media either ignore
or ridicule any mention of UFOs. Yet citizens, scientists, and
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non governmental organizations have continued to this day the research
into this important subject. This book seeks to make the
hardest data available accessible to the general public as well
as other UFO researchers. Hey, it's clearly written to be
like read rather than rather than performed. Those are those
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are long sentences. But the argument there is just that
regardless of what a government is actually doing, there pretty
dismissive towards looking into this nothing to see here, right,
and maybe the days of the men in black are
gone and they're replaced by you know, online shows. I
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was gonna say Facebook news stories, okay, but I think
we're talking about the same thing. So the book has
narrative sections, you know, like an anecdotal thing, frequently asked questions,
and then they have a bunch of data, right, charts, tables,
and maps, and they found that this goes for all
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of the country, or all of the states in the US,
including the District of Columbia. And this is, uh, this
is an interesting point. And if you want to check
this out you can do so just like that. All
you have to do is go to Amazon. Yeah, it's
only forty U S dollars. I guess it must be
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a giant home. I haven't physically seen the thing. Who
would be great if it really? I mean it's a
desk reference, right, so it must be a fairly large tome.
Forty dollars for some critics that that is fuel to
a five here, And they might say, well, of course
you think this is the most important book because you
get forty dollars a pop every time someone agrees with you,
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you know. Yeah, But I mean you got to think
about it. Cheryl and Linda, they both have families. They
gotta put food on their families, you know, apparently delicious
filet mignons. Well they are. It was also important to
point out that, you know, these people are probably they're
definitely not working like other scientists or statticians with some
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kind of institutional support. That's a good point. And they
gotta they gotta get there the most bang for their bucks. Yeah,
where do you get a grant for that kind of thing?
Colating UFO data? Um, I'm you know, I was so
close to making a huge grant joke, but I think
I'm gonna give him the day off, right, I think
she's been through enough. Uh, but what does this report contain.
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That's something that we're exploring here because we found some
things that might interest you, and we'll tell you about
them after a word from our sponsor. One thing that
we can glean from this report, from this giant amount
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of information is that California they're getting their UFO on
over there. They're really seeing stuff in the sky, and
frequently and in all parts. Yes, that is correct. California
has had nearly sixteen thousand reported sightings of UFO since
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two thousand one. That's that's also according to the San
Francisco Gate. And as we were coming into the podcast
to today, we're already hearing about more recent ones there
as a report like in March twenty one, just a
few weeks ago. As we record this, and you have
to wonder why why this seems concentrated in one area.
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I think it's because Tom DeLong lives in California. Yes,
Tom DeLong, Blink two, could you do tell tell everyone
a little bit more about that? Well, I mean, Blink
one D two was one of the quintessential pop punk
bands of our generation, and Tom left it all behind
to become a pre eminent UFO researcher, I guess, and
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he actually won an award this year, uh for the
work he's done. And he posted a very cryptic video
online where he said that you know, he couldn't really
talk about it, but that he was getting some really
interesting inside access to some of the popular crash site
you know, documents of very over the years, and had
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some people that he was working with that we're kind
of helping him and you know, on a science c level,
it sounded like, but he couldn't really say much, but
he said stay tuned, that it was going to be
an interesting year for his work into UFO research. Wow. Man, So,
so here's my theory. In two thousand one, when Take
Off Your Pants and Jacket was first released, it got
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so much radio play on the terrestrial Earth here, uh,
and all these radio waves went away. It was intercepted,
you know, from the Earth, went away from the Earth.
It was intercepted by some craft that was checking out
the Earth, just being like, hey, what's going on over here.
They heard it, loved it, and they knew they had
to make contact with this guy. So they did, and
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now he's in on the game. It was very catchy.
It sort of like that episode of Pete and Pete
with Johnny Unitis. You remember that, I don't I don't
want to spoil it, but it's basically that's a very
very heart heartfelt episode. But the idea is that, uh,
an alien sees a football game and becomes enamored with
this player, Johnny Unitus, but he sees it on the delay,
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so like he doesn't he sees it very recently, when
it's actually a very very old game. Yeah. The example
I always think of is a an old older I
guess an eighties movie I want to say, uh, maybe
nineties called it's called The Explorers, A good one and
the Explorers, you know, the aliens entire conversational tone is
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based off Naked Knight, essentially all black and white television. Uh.
And that's that's an interesting idea. How cool would that be?
Tom DeLong, if you're listening, let us know, also as
Blink Wood, if you're getting back together, Well, I think
they think they replaced Tom. Oh, that's cold. So I
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think he's he's going full time with the with the UFO.
He's moved beyond it. Huh. I never even knew what
Blink one D two meant, what was the number? Do
you know? No, does anyone know? Probably? All right, we'll
save that for another show. So why is California? Why
is California such a hot hot spot for this such
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a hotbed? Uh? There there are a couple of reasons,
I guess if we wanted to check out, Um, if
we wanted to just look at the specs of the state,
it's huge. Yeah, it's really big. Anyways, slice it over.
Almost thirty four million people live in California alone. Let's
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see the average age there is forty nine for men
or just under fifty for men and just over fifty
for women. Uh. In terms of it's physical size, like
not just population, it's gigantic. You could cut it into
two states. Several people have argued that should be the case,
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you know, and northern California is very different from southern California.
And it's also right there on the coast. Much of
its border is the Pacific Ocean. And if anything happens
far out on sea, or at least close enough to
where you can visibly make something out in an altitude,
you know, any kind of lights out there are gonna
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do weird things with the way the atmosphere changes light
as it gets to your eye. I mean not to
mention like if you have like a clover Field situation
where you know, the the alien drops out of the
sky and some sort of craft that can then you know,
be submerged submergeable, that'd be a thing that will be
a good way to to pop into the scene, you know,
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without making a big, a big to do you know,
go do it way out to see or if you're
like a Godzilla, you know, you come up from underneath.
It's very no, it's very true. And unidentified submergent objects
are a thing. We've talked about that before, and it
does make logical sense that if you're some kind of
aircraft that could that can go underwater like that and
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travel there and also travel in air, which seems like
it might be hard, but hey, if you can get
to Earth, you can probably do it. And uh, well,
or build something they can do it, because a submersible
aircraft is not an impossible idea. It sounds like it
would be real pain to engineer it. I do want
to point out another thing, a fun fact. How much
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of a sitcom set up is this? Within California, there's
a disproportionate amount of sightings from one place by far. Really, yes,
throughout the whole state, there's one city that has like
the majority of these reports. What is it to do?
You care to guess? Kind of, it's easy, it's easy.
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It's easy to guess, like Hollywood. Yeah, it's Los Angeles's.
But so Los Angeles County outranks any other place in
California and on its own more than forty states with
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three thousand, two hundred sightings reported. L A is crazy. Wow. Also,
they're just hopeful, you know, like maybe maybe right Hope
springs eternal. But there's another thing here that could also
lend to this propensity of reports, because we're not saying
people are making it up. We're saying that people are
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just reporting more stuff. California also has a huge number
of military bases. That's right. There are more than fifty
known military bases inside the state of California, not to
account for god knows how many secret ones there might be,
you know, for national security. And we also have to
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remember the California is immediately adjacent to Nevada and Arizona,
which have plenty of military facilities themselves. In addition to
test sites like the Nevada National Security Site UM or
what NO also Nevada Test Site, and that spans almost
sixty square miles and is roughly sixty five mi northwest
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of Las Vegas. It was established in nineteen fifty one
to test nuclear devices and one of the most recent
tests occurred on December seventh, which was an underground explosion
meant to learn about the properties of plutonium. And that
just means that there's a you know, a huge swath
of land out there where you could ostensibly test whatever
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you wanted, although it's pretty much tainted at this point
with radiation, right, and there are so many other things
that are in that vicinity or that region, right. We
can't forget that the federal government owns vast swaths of
lands in states A budding California and within California itself,
out in those deserts where there's nobody to see what's
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going on, where the world either ended earlier God got
into abstract art. Yeah, that's right. If a cactus falls
in the desert, can anybody hear you scream? Well, I
mix my metaphors, n never I think of We will
answer that question definitively. After a word from our sponsor,
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and we're back to to Oh boy, the answer is
maybe maybe, maybe we're back just to know. Maybe they
like you can hear it scream? Oh it can hear
you scream? Wol I was combining. If a tree falls
in the forest doesn't make a sound within space, no
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one can hear you scream. What's that other one? If
a tree falls in the forest and it hits a mime,
does anyone care? People don't like mimes as a rule,
I kind of you know out there, I like it.
I like I like the old things still. I like
the part where they're in the box. Yeah, a knife
in the hand is worth two in the drawer. Speaking
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of fantastic segues, we should also look at the report itself,
because gated a lot of data, but it aggregated it
from places that you know, clearly have some sort of agenda. Yeah,
I mean, even if it's just gathering as much information
as possible, perhaps there's not the level of scrutiny placed
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on the reports that you might expect. You know, you
just you take the information in, you write it down objectively,
whatever you're told, and you put it away in a document.
I mean, it's certainly not like peer reviewed. Well it's
peer reviewed, and there's not someone you know on the
phone saying well, okay, so what you saw, you know,
going over whats or like really going over what flights
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were in the vicinity or that kind of Yeah, it's
analyzed later, it's just reported. So we have some examples
of like the format this takes correct. Yes, this is
going to come directly from the National UFO Reporting Center.
These are samples Newport, New Fork. These are sightings that
occurred in California from Arch of this year, so just
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you know, several days ago, uh plus thirty and let's
let's go into this. These are reported as city shape, duration,
and then a quick short summary physical shape of the object,
whatever the thing is that you saw. So the first
one comes from Mira mar California. It was in some
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kind of formation and it lasted five minutes and what
was seen was rapid blinking light which appeared to grow
in size. First just one light was visible, and then
this formation itself became visible. And this was an anonymous report.
That is one of those things that you know, you're driving,
you're hanging out on the porch, you see it and
you go Huh, that's interesting. I wonder with that, whoa
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why are all those lights there? Can I can totally
understand that kind of thing I would make. I would
have made that one. Here's a few more. We've got
one and then nives um these shape is unknown, which
what does that mean? What does that mean? It's just
like a new shape, like I'm not even sure. Maybe
it perhaps a change shape, who knows. Um. And the
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duration was two minutes, and the summary was fast moving
silent objects in formation. Um, and that was an anonymous report.
Then we have one in Palm Springs. Uh, this is good,
a fancy ufo. Uh. The shape was a formation, so
I'm assuming that means uh, it was a group some
kind of formation, right, um. And a thirty second sighting.
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And then in double parentheses and all caps with two
question marks, it says hoax. Yeah, I think this is
a note from whoever recorded it. And then the word
Mars written in the sky by lights and that is
also an anonymous report. Yeah, it's some aliens come down
and light tagging the clouds. It's a little on the nose,
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so so you can see range there already between what
you're going to receive with these kinds of sightings, would
you say the range is like from absurd to ridiculous. No, No,
it's absurd to puzzling. I think, right, Um, something you
just don't understand, Like there's one in San Diego. I
could just kill a man. Yeah, so, yeah, there's one
in San Diego that was formed in a circle, lasted
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two minutes and we're just looking at some orange spears
that disappear and reappear in the sky somewhere. Yes, Typically
the more objective or reliable reports regarding anomalous material in
the sky will not make a guest toward motive or
agency like this one in Modesto, California. It was a
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circle and for duration of six minutes, people witnessed in
the sky three red lights. They thought, oh, probably the
military doing exercises, but they lined up and then one
flew off the top, the one on top flew heca fast. Yeah,
I guess they say, Hella, California. Right. But what we
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see here, what we see here is that as as
we said, there is a there is a range, and
it leaves us with a lot of questions, why is
this an American phenomenon predominantly? Why is it localized to
certain states or regions, and perhaps most importantly, what what
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military craft at least some of this was gonna be
mistaken top secret military craft. We know that it happened
with stealth fighters in the past. We know that it
happened with jets as well as with surveillance things, high
altitude aircraft right like right now the P seven ninety one.
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A lot of people who lament the long gone days
of airships and Zeppelin's, well they're back. The US has
several creepy ones that are at a very very high
altitude watching for some reason. You know, who knows what
they're watching. Maybe they're watching us. I think Matt made
a good point earlier when we get into this next point,
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which is, uh, the rise of drone technology. So like,
you know, there's all these consumer or prosumer drones, camera drones,
different things like that. Then you can fly pretty high
and pretty far and this idea of reflections over the
ocean or you know, some of them have lights mounted
on them. You know, if you if you saw the
Super Bowl halftime show, for example, there was a whole
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section in it where it was just this massive array
of drones with like led lights on them that can
be controlled, and you know California is a ground zero
for that kind of tech party. Well, I'm just saying, like,
if something cool like that comes out, you know, they're innovating.
They're innovating it, so you know, I wouldn't be surprised
if that could account for some of these reports, if
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there has been such a massive uptick. I really like
this idea of of drone technology having something to do
with that. Even on the mid level professional or amateur
drone operator, you can make some weird things happen in
the sky for people who don't know what they're looking at.
It's pretty affordable as well. Yeah, right now, if you
have a spare of thousand bucks, somebody does we we
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we don't, But you can get your hands on a
drone with an operating distance of seven thousand meters like that.
You can buy those at Barnes and Noble, like I
mean they literally have them at CVS. Yeah, and you
just hop on Amazon and it will show up at
your door. Even and in theory, with an operating distance
of that like that far seven thousand meters in theory
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means you can reach a max altitude of twenty three
thousand feet above the sea level. And you know, if
you're in California and you're pretty close to the sea
level in certain areas over there by the coast um
or in other areas of California, that's really high because
you have to think that the cruising altitude for a
commercial airliner is going to be around thirty six thousand feet.
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So how many drones are out there? There are lots
and lots of drones. Just to look back at the
holiday season of almost a million consumer drones were sold
inside the US, and that's just the holiday season for
one year. That's just one year, and you know it's
a year and a half ago. But then in December
of the f a A started requiring all new owners
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of drones that are between a certain weight, so like
point five five pounds to fifty five pounds. They were
requiring requiring these owners to register their drones just so
that they would know, hey, here's the general vicinity where
these are going to be located and where they might
be flying. However, in early February of last year, only
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three five thousand of these drones had been registered, and
that's not including all the other drones that have been purchased.
Are you saying there are rogue drones out there, Matt
unregistered drones. I'm saying we are littered with rogue drones,
dirty drones, Like do they shave the whatever the equivalent
of the then is off of them, possibly due I
would burner drone. Well, think it's gonna change where getting
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a drone is going to become more prohibitive, like you
have to like having to register like immediately. Yeah, I
think certainly that'll what they're sorting out now would be
a federal level law. Uh, some ladies and gentlemen in
the audience, please let us know what your experiences with
having a drone. But I think that's a very good
argument for the rise of sightings. Let's remember, not only
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are parts of California very very crowded, but they are,
as Neal said, full of very tech savvy people, people
that the markets often call early adopters, you know. And
and something that's just close to this but not quite
is the idea of sending things up into lower earth
orbit like balloons. You've seen these viral videos all over
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YouTube now where you can make a balloon that will
go phine enuff you attach a GoPro or some other
equivalent camera to it, and you just send something up
and then post it to YouTube, and these things go
really high. A lot of times there's a blinking light involved,
and you know, just these little innovative things that are happening.
Maybe that's another part of it too, because one thing
we haven't mentioned yet is whether the US is rate
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of internet connectivity explains the number of sightings that people report.
I understand that reasoning, but here's why I'm not persuaded
that that could be the whole explanation, because other countries
have way better Internet connections in terms of speed, in
terms of consistency, in terms of uh, literally any metric.
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You can imagine a South Korea. Absolutely, I'm talking about
South Korea. It's so good that internet is so good.
That's amazing, you know. But that's that's a good point
and a good counterpoint. So we don't know how much
role has to play drones. Most definitely, my money is
on testing of unacknowledged military vehicles or misidentified vehicles. Ben,
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I think you might be right in a way. The
the internet connect connectivity is being channeled through our smartphones
that we all carry around now, So we can all
pick up our camera and almost any time, not all
of us, of course, but many of us and just
film if we think we see a UFO, Right, so
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the sighting itself gets documented faster and more reliably. But
at the same time, to me, that has the potential
to diminish the um impact of a mirror sighting and
report when we are all most of us equipped with
the stuff to capture the damn thing. You know, why
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don't we have more convincing UFO videos? If it's about
the rise of technology and the quickness of being able
to report something, why aren't we seeing more Twitter posts,
Instagram pictures of legit sightings? And here's another thing, why
aren't they being identified more concisely or defend aatively? Uh?
(33:01):
If if this all of this technology exists. If not,
and it is true that now, more than any other
point in human history, there will be multiple people able
to document the same thing, right, all three of us.
If we're out on an adventure somewhere and we see
something really cool, all three of us are going to
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secure some sort of evidence of it, right, And with
those three different angles, then the chances of us being
able to identify something dramatically increase. So there's another question here,
which is why are these things not being identified more efficiently?
Why are they still unknown? But there's just more of them.
That's why, again, my money goes on um unacknowledged private
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sector testing of things or military applications. You beat me
to it, then that seems completely believable because, as we know,
usually the military do a pretty good job of keeping
their new technology under wraps and from the public until
they're done with it. People didn't even know that stealth
(34:08):
helicopters existed. Yeah, right, and now now the secrets out
and that's still kind of a oxy more onto me
a stealth helicopter. Yeah, it's like the quiet yell you
know what, I am seeing? A viable business plan here, guys.
(34:32):
A service maybe we can call it UFO maybe that's
what it's called. And it's an app on your phone
and all you have to do is take a video
or whatever however you get it, uh, send it through
the service and there's human beings on the other side
who collate data from the f f A f a
A from other sources about like, are there any kind
(34:54):
of balloon festivals going on right now? Is there a
wedding where they were Chinese lanterns going up. A balloon festival.
That's sounds charming. There might be all I don't know
if there's such things. Sounds like a lot of fun.
We could just start a balloon FESTIVALA sure, sure, all balloons,
but you you just sent in and say hey was
this UFO, and then somebody can go it was this
(35:16):
or yes it was so two things. First off, I
think that's a great idea. I feel like someone in
this process should be swiping left or right. It's very
big on phones now, so just maybe they swipe to
determine the vrassity. Secondly, um, I don't know about I
don't know about you know, but from Matt's pitch, I
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think what I like the most is the balloon festival. Man,
do you want to do a balloon fest? We'll do
the app as well, but I think we should premier
it at this balloon festival. All right, what about a
balloon festival app where you can find your nearest balloon festival? Heaven?
I would pay for that. I wouldn't pay much, but
I pay. See, then we have to start another company
(35:59):
that hosts balloon festivals. Okay, well, now that we've talked
about it on air, everyone just keep this a secret
until we can roll it out because you're the best
part of this show and we depend on you. Uh,
speaking of you, I guess it's time for shut ut corner.
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Our first shout out today comes from La Gar the Terrible.
I added the second at Vaults of Xtoff, which still
sounds pretty pretty terrible. Um. And then by terrible I
mean metal metal like like uh, intimidating. And some of
you may actually remember Loura Gar at Vaults of x
(36:45):
thof xed Off, Vaults of x Off. He has written
to us before Lord Gar. If that's his real name,
I hope so, but I I sort of doubt it. Um.
Just finished our documentary about the Georgia guid Stones on
Amazon Ray, and he made a great point. Um. He says,
quote one thing about the eugenics angle of the Guystones is, uh,
(37:06):
if it was for white supremacy, why also have a
language like sanscript that is a very if If that is,
there's there's no indication of race. It seems to be
it's more about intellect. Yeah, there is no clear indication.
But one thing I think is a great point brought
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up by your question, Lord Gar is that the many,
many racially oriented supremacy movements idolize or fetishize or imagine
some relationship with an ancient, pre existing culture. So a
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lot of people that would be identified as white supremacists
today we're traveling, as you know, European colonizers or something,
and they see the ruins of this huge African empire
and then instead of saying, well, the people who lived
here previously must have done this, they would be like, ah,
the white city in Africa. So there's this confirmation bias
(38:10):
that exists. Um, But I still think that is an
excellent question. If they are um supremacists of any sort,
then why would they also have Yeah, yeah, that's true.
That doesn't seem like a very supremacist oriented thing. But
that's a great question. And thanks for thanks for watching
the documentary. If anyone else out there has not seen it,
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it is available for free on Amazon Video. If you
don't have Prime, I think you get bugged by a
couple of ads. But if you do, then it is
ad free all the live long day. Check it out
and let us know what you think. And for all
of you out there in Canada or Australia, especially especially
folks in Australia and Bananada, which is a country I
(38:55):
just made up a Bananada. Well, all of y'all um,
you can't watch it right now currently because of the
restrictions on Amazon. However, we are finding way, a way,
a solution to make this work for Illumination Global Unlimited.
They you know, they have their scruples. We're gonna We're
(39:15):
gonna make it work for them, so look for it soon.
Our next shout out comes from Chad Sandborn, another familiar
name at Chad Sandborn. He writes, did you see this
red mercury? Scare fascinating since it doesn't exist and you
guys discussed it last month, I did not see this,
he sent us in a j C article that's our
(39:36):
hometown newspaper. It is I believe Chad is in atlantin
a t alien alien. I don't know how to say
that properly, but this is I'm just gonna read a
quick excerpt from this says officials are investigating in downtown
Atlanta after reports that a man claiming to have red
mercury from Africa walked into the region to location of
(39:57):
the US Nuclear Regulatory Commission. Interesting, right, Um, it's says
they're still gathering information on the call. And here's another quote.
Red mercury is reportedly a substance used to create nuclear bombs,
but its existence has not been documented. Nope, it hasn't.
Wasn't that some of that Nazi tech? Ye in the episode? Hey,
(40:24):
but the police in Atlanta took it seriously. Apparently parts
of peach Free Street, peach Free Center Avenue in Courtland Street,
down by G. S U U on the mater. Uh,
they were closed off and officers were redirecting traffic. A
hasmat team, a bomb squad, and fire trucks were seen
near the in the investigation. Dude, do you think that's
what blew up the bridge? Was it a red mercury experiment?
(40:47):
Hold on, this is from marcht we haven't have we
talked about the show? Okay, so, uh, several several days ago.
It's it's April five as we record this, right, just
a few days before it comes out. Time travels weird,
I know, welcome to the show. A few a mere
(41:08):
a few days ago. Part of a very important interstate
here in Atlanta. It's an artery. Yeah, it's an artery
to the beating heart of the city, and it caught
a fire and collapsed. And you may be saying, Matt, no,
old Ben, why would you have bridges of oily rags
and would but this was not I would bag bridge.
(41:32):
This is concrete and steel, baby, and didn't, however, happen
to have a enormous stockpile of heavily flammable materials stored
underneath it. Yeah, which which quantifier the official narrative? Now, um, well, first,
there were no injuries, not even fatalities. There were no injuries.
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And this was at the you know, the hinterlands chronologically
speaking of Russia. So strange because it was rush hour, right,
and it was like at the end of rush hour.
I drove by it at six and he took that
photo and posted onto the Facebook where you can follow us.
We are conspiracy stuff. Correct, Watch it now before it
gets taken down. Wait, why did you say it like
(42:14):
you're going to take it down. I don't know, you
might only be able to see it for the next
few minutes. Something that guy from the snapchat kind of thing. Yeah,
they sounding in the character. Yeah, I'm going to take
some vengeon down. So we'd like to hear your take
on what happened, just to let you know the current
stance of the officials. Oh, I get it because of
(42:36):
red mercury. It was it was it was a Nazi. Yeah,
that's what I was going for sure. Yeah, if you
heard that part that, I hope we cut out German listeners.
We appreciate your time immensely. Oh my gosh, thank you
so with just this so that this bridge story real quick. Currently,
the people who were arrested were three three um there
(43:00):
described as homeless people in the news, and apparently they
had met previously. I love the way this was depicted. Uh,
they met under the bridge and began having a discussion
about smoking crack, which makes it sound like there was
a meeting dude planning. It makes it sound like somebody said,
you know, ladies and gentlemen, thank you for meeting me
(43:21):
here tonight. I'd like to thank snake Bite for bringing
the beans. There's no one named snake Bite, but those
those people were apprehended and trade and for the official purposes,
thought to be the originators of this fire. But again,
no one was hurt. Time moves on. Traffic will be terrible,
(43:45):
but for some reason. You know, for years and years
they have been stories very flammable things under the bridge,
PVC material and that was the Georgia Department of Transportation
that put it under there, so it was kind of
their fault like oops, and is definitely in code violation right? Sure?
So we have one more email here? Uh? Nathaniel P.
(44:06):
Writes in and says, what up, guys, this nudy? I
just came across the topic that always bothered me. Do
you remember the Michael Hastings car accident a few years back?
The recent wiki leaks vault to seven release allegedly as
info regarding CIA tech capabilities. Among those listed are weaponized
malware and remote hacking. Ironic because that is exactly how
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conspiracy realists believe he died. Was he planning on exposing
the CIA like he did General Petraeus? Was he targeted
by the CIA? I remember reading he died shortly after
telling his lawyer he was being investigated by the FBI.
This also brings to mind the Air and Schwartz death,
which is really similar. Both died shortly after being investigated
by the FBI and twenty thirteen, and then goes on
(44:49):
to say that he enjoyed the Guidestones documentary and he
wonders if we are planning on making more documentary style
films in the future. Do you remember the Michael hast
And stuff It rings a very very tiny bell. Yeah,
I very much remember that. And the whole discussion at
the time was, hey, can cars be hacked? Can these
(45:10):
new smart cars that are connected the Internet get hacked?
And the answer came unequivocal, unequivocally, yes, it can happen. Uh.
It was also noted that in most situations you would
have to physically get into the vehicle and attach yourself
to one of the onboard computers to to make it function,
like put a backdoor in essentially in the main onboard computer.
(45:34):
But it was shown that if you did, if you
did successfully get in there, you could stop the brakes,
you could make the cars engine turn over and go,
you could like mess with all the lights and their conditioning.
Pretty much anything you wanted to do, you could do
to a car. And one of those things is make
it go really fast into a tree. Right. So the
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Hastings information, when Hastings and Swords passed away, the current
information said that you can do this, but it has
to be plugged in physically to the car's computer. But
now it seems that the CIA has the technology that
was always speculated that they have, and what's more, that
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this can be remotely accessed with no physical contact with
the car, So the car itself becomes the weapon. And
you're right, new T, that's what that. The the hacks
indicate that they are definitely, if not already capable of
doing so working on that, and it's a super valuable
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you know, it's a super valuable tool to have for
that line of work. I don't want to be able
to remotely control other people's cars. I would go power man.
I have very definite opinions about how people should behave
in traffic. Oh you could. You could be a car
hacker for good. Everybody, every I guarantee you everybody who
(47:01):
is doing that thinks they are also a car hacker
for good. Oh yeah, you're well maybe yeah. Good is
just like uh, good depends on where you stand and
when you meet it. If you're more of a brown
hat hacker, yeah yeah, or or a red hat just
for the excitement. I like that, and just make everybody
(47:22):
use their blinkers all the time. That's all I ask please,
that's going into something that's a different show, but we
we appreciate it. Thank you for not letting Michael Hastings
be forgotten Newtine, and thank you for your interests. We
we do have some on the way. Um. We can't
give you definites right now, but stay tuned and act surprised.
(47:43):
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(48:06):
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(00:23):
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then Max Powers Astronaut with a secret. You are you
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Do that part from the opening again where you say
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(00:47):
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you to know. That which is our show that I'm sorry.
I didn't mean to be redundant. I just thought, you know,
we haven't talked about aliens a hot manute. We have
not that is true. That is true, and long time
listeners from the video series know that we slightly change
(01:07):
the language of the opener over time because we used
to have um maybe UFOs UM. So we haven't had
any kind of coverage about UFOs in a long time,
and we wanted to come back and explore that a
little bit today before we hop on our own very
(01:32):
well identified flying object and head out to meet many
of you in New York. I'm really looking forward to it.
I know at least one of you is going to
be there. Yeah, I think so. We're all on the
same flight. So if one of us doesn't make it,
you guys, I know you guys gonna gonna be like
(01:55):
the beginning of every Marine Corps movie. Look to your left,
look to your right. One of you won't make it.
Oh my gosh, it's so, what is the UFO. Let's
just start there. What is this thing? Well, this is
a bit of a disclaimer that we have to make
at the top of these. The UFO does not mean
(02:15):
aliens full stop. It could perhaps who knows, extra tresh reels.
It just means it's unidentified, and that means it could
be anything. It's true. It could be a helicopter. It
could be a particularly determined swan. Yeah, that's just having
light reflected off of it in a strange way. It
(02:35):
could be somebody base jumping good old swamp gas. Who
could be swamp gas. One thing's for sure, a will
of the wisp, A will of the wisp? Yes, are
you going to be a will of the wisp? Or
won't of the wisp? That's good man, that's it's good
of your idea. But that I can see that as
like a like one of the posters with the kittens
(02:57):
hanging from the tree. I think you have a future
and inspirational memorabilia ahead of you. Thank you, thank you. Well.
That's good because if my job were to identify UFOs, I,
like most other people who would tipped this endeavor, would
be at a loss. There's one thing that a lot
(03:19):
of people don't realize about UFO sightings. We know that
they happen every year around the globe, but I did
not know this. I don't know if you guys knew
this already. Not only are UFO sightings at an all
time high, uh, but thereby far an American thing. They're
(03:40):
super They're super common in the US and Canada, and
more so in Canada. That's right. The findings are based
on data that was crunched by Sam Montfort, a doctoral
student in Human factors and Applied cognition. Was that was
that a fun acronym? That is not really doesn't really
spell anything. Um, you know, can't you can't even can't
(04:03):
even speak it. And that was at George Mason University
um So. Monfort wrote up his findings in a blog
update that used information from the National UFO Reporting Center,
which does have a fun acronymic. It's New Fork UM
and I feel like that's like a town in Rhode Island,
New Fork, Rhode Island. Doesn't it sound like it would
be better for right exactly up? Um and New Fork
(04:26):
is an organization that documents UFO sightings. Now, according to
this report, these UFAs, the UFOs have been increasingly popping up,
with one hundred and four thousand, nine hundred and forty
seven reported sightings just over the past one hundred plus years.
And there's an important thing here too, because what does
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reported mean after a certain amount of time. It means
that it made it into print. You know, like a
hundred years ago, people wouldn't count a reported sighting as
somebody just talking about it. It It will have to be
in some sort of official government document, etcetera. So they're
probably more than these, and then there's probably a lot
(05:07):
they're written down in people's diaries and so on, and
of course for the UFO enthusiasts, we know that reported
sightings date back into antiquity of just weird stuff in
the sky. This is focusing on a very specific period,
so they're not saying that those other you know, ancient
glimpses never occurred. What about police reports? Do you think
(05:30):
UFO reports ever end up in that form? And are
those available to the public by by um, you know,
there are stars requests, there are some police reports. Usually
it's a person reporting to the police. Then the police
will like drop something down. Uh. And then especially if
an individual sees a UFO and reports to the police
(05:52):
and they also report it to Newfon or move On
or you know whatever else whoever else they reported to,
that will be noted a lot of times in the
documents there. Okay, So I wonder if anybody has ever
tried to use a UFO sighting to get out of
some kind of altercation with the police. So as excuse me, uh, Sarah,
(06:16):
we've had reports of a crack pipe being detected in
this vicinity. As somebody ever said they visited me and
they dropped this from the sky. I'm sure someone has
those crack smoking et s man, Yeah, right right. I
still think it's the CIA, though more so the extra terrestrials.
(06:38):
The first recorded incident in in this report that momfort
does apparently occurred in Portland all the way back in
nineteen o five, and viewers reported seeing this buzzing sphere
shaped UFO that descended from the sky. But sightings have
(06:59):
spiked drum attically over the past three decades, with the
reported number jumping from like five thousand and nineteen to
forty five thousand and two. What's going on in this
report reinforces this idea that UFO sightings are largely a
United States thing. The US collectively reports around sightings per
(07:21):
ten million people, which is three hundred times more than
the global median. That's pretty huge. Feels kind of like
our same the same proportion of our military spending to
other parts of the world. Um and more of these
sightings are reported in states in the west and northwest,
with some of the states in the Northeast they're like
lagging just behind those, So we're really looking at the
(07:44):
edges the coasts. And a new report came out very recently. Uh.
These two authors, Cheryl Costa and Linda Millard Costa released
essentially a book the detail more modern UFO sightings in
the United States. These were aggregated from reports that were
(08:07):
given to New Fork and Too. You may have heard
Matt mentioned this acronym before. What was it? Move on, Yeah,
move on the mutual UFO network, which sounds kind of
made up, but we promise you, ladies and gentlemen, it's
a it's a genuine thing. Yes, it is. Like you
can call these people and report something strange in the sky.
That's why the organization exists. And it goes into a
(08:30):
document and you can then search it later and you
will see that it's there and other people can see it. Yea.
So they collected this stuff just from two thousand one
to two thousand fifteen, and they came out with the
book named It's the UFO Sightings Desk Reference, not to
be confused with the Physicians Desk Reference colin United States
of America two thousand one. So they have over a
(08:54):
hundred thousand sightings that they've collected, and we have, uh,
we have the quote from them what they're going for.
Since nineteen sixty nine, the government has claimed no interest
in the subject, and the press and media either ignore
or ridicule any mention of UFOs. Yet citizens, scientists, and
(09:15):
non governmental organizations have continued to this day the research
into this important subject. This book seeks to make the
hardest data available accessible to the general public as well
as other UFO researchers. Hey, it's clearly written to be
like read rather than rather than performed. Those are those
(09:38):
are long sentences. But the argument there is just that
regardless of what a government is actually doing, there pretty
dismissive towards looking into this nothing to see here, right,
and maybe the days of the men in black are
gone and they're replaced by you know, online shows. I
(10:00):
was gonna say Facebook news stories, okay, but I think
we're talking about the same thing. So the book has
narrative sections, you know, like an anecdotal thing, frequently asked questions,
and then they have a bunch of data, right, charts, tables,
and maps, and they found that this goes for all
(10:22):
of the country, or all of the states in the US,
including the District of Columbia. And this is, uh, this
is an interesting point. And if you want to check
this out you can do so just like that. All
you have to do is go to Amazon. Yeah, it's
only forty U S dollars. I guess it must be
(10:45):
a giant home. I haven't physically seen the thing. Who
would be great if it really? I mean it's a
desk reference, right, so it must be a fairly large tome.
Forty dollars for some critics that that is fuel to
a five here, And they might say, well, of course
you think this is the most important book because you
get forty dollars a pop every time someone agrees with you,
(11:08):
you know. Yeah, But I mean you got to think
about it. Cheryl and Linda, they both have families. They
gotta put food on their families, you know, apparently delicious
filet mignons. Well they are. It was also important to
point out that, you know, these people are probably they're
definitely not working like other scientists or statticians with some
(11:31):
kind of institutional support. That's a good point. And they
gotta they gotta get there the most bang for their bucks. Yeah,
where do you get a grant for that kind of thing?
Colating UFO data? Um, I'm you know, I was so
close to making a huge grant joke, but I think
I'm gonna give him the day off, right, I think
she's been through enough. Uh, but what does this report contain.
(11:55):
That's something that we're exploring here because we found some
things that might interest you, and we'll tell you about
them after a word from our sponsor. One thing that
we can glean from this report, from this giant amount
(12:16):
of information is that California they're getting their UFO on
over there. They're really seeing stuff in the sky, and
frequently and in all parts. Yes, that is correct. California
has had nearly sixteen thousand reported sightings of UFO since
(12:37):
two thousand one. That's that's also according to the San
Francisco Gate. And as we were coming into the podcast
to today, we're already hearing about more recent ones there
as a report like in March twenty one, just a
few weeks ago. As we record this, and you have
to wonder why why this seems concentrated in one area.
(13:03):
I think it's because Tom DeLong lives in California. Yes,
Tom DeLong, Blink two, could you do tell tell everyone
a little bit more about that? Well, I mean, Blink
one D two was one of the quintessential pop punk
bands of our generation, and Tom left it all behind
to become a pre eminent UFO researcher, I guess, and
(13:25):
he actually won an award this year, uh for the
work he's done. And he posted a very cryptic video
online where he said that you know, he couldn't really
talk about it, but that he was getting some really
interesting inside access to some of the popular crash site
you know, documents of very over the years, and had
(13:48):
some people that he was working with that we're kind
of helping him and you know, on a science c level,
it sounded like, but he couldn't really say much, but
he said stay tuned, that it was going to be
an interesting year for his work into UFO research. Wow. Man, So,
so here's my theory. In two thousand one, when Take
Off Your Pants and Jacket was first released, it got
(14:09):
so much radio play on the terrestrial Earth here, uh,
and all these radio waves went away. It was intercepted,
you know, from the Earth, went away from the Earth.
It was intercepted by some craft that was checking out
the Earth, just being like, hey, what's going on over here.
They heard it, loved it, and they knew they had
to make contact with this guy. So they did, and
(14:31):
now he's in on the game. It was very catchy.
It sort of like that episode of Pete and Pete
with Johnny Unitis. You remember that, I don't I don't
want to spoil it, but it's basically that's a very
very heart heartfelt episode. But the idea is that, uh,
an alien sees a football game and becomes enamored with
this player, Johnny Unitus, but he sees it on the delay,
(14:53):
so like he doesn't he sees it very recently, when
it's actually a very very old game. Yeah. The example
I always think of is a an old older I
guess an eighties movie I want to say, uh, maybe
nineties called it's called The Explorers, A good one and
the Explorers, you know, the aliens entire conversational tone is
(15:14):
based off Naked Knight, essentially all black and white television. Uh.
And that's that's an interesting idea. How cool would that be?
Tom DeLong, if you're listening, let us know, also as
Blink Wood, if you're getting back together, Well, I think
they think they replaced Tom. Oh, that's cold. So I
(15:38):
think he's he's going full time with the with the UFO.
He's moved beyond it. Huh. I never even knew what
Blink one D two meant, what was the number? Do
you know? No, does anyone know? Probably? All right, we'll
save that for another show. So why is California? Why
is California such a hot hot spot for this such
(16:02):
a hotbed? Uh? There there are a couple of reasons,
I guess if we wanted to check out, Um, if
we wanted to just look at the specs of the state,
it's huge. Yeah, it's really big. Anyways, slice it over.
Almost thirty four million people live in California alone. Let's
(16:25):
see the average age there is forty nine for men
or just under fifty for men and just over fifty
for women. Uh. In terms of it's physical size, like
not just population, it's gigantic. You could cut it into
two states. Several people have argued that should be the case,
(16:48):
you know, and northern California is very different from southern California.
And it's also right there on the coast. Much of
its border is the Pacific Ocean. And if anything happens
far out on sea, or at least close enough to
where you can visibly make something out in an altitude,
you know, any kind of lights out there are gonna
(17:08):
do weird things with the way the atmosphere changes light
as it gets to your eye. I mean not to
mention like if you have like a clover Field situation
where you know, the the alien drops out of the
sky and some sort of craft that can then you know,
be submerged submergeable, that'd be a thing that will be
a good way to to pop into the scene, you know,
(17:29):
without making a big, a big to do you know,
go do it way out to see or if you're
like a Godzilla, you know, you come up from underneath.
It's very no, it's very true. And unidentified submergent objects
are a thing. We've talked about that before, and it
does make logical sense that if you're some kind of
aircraft that could that can go underwater like that and
(17:50):
travel there and also travel in air, which seems like
it might be hard, but hey, if you can get
to Earth, you can probably do it. And uh, well,
or build something they can do it, because a submersible
aircraft is not an impossible idea. It sounds like it
would be real pain to engineer it. I do want
to point out another thing, a fun fact. How much
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of a sitcom set up is this? Within California, there's
a disproportionate amount of sightings from one place by far. Really, yes,
throughout the whole state, there's one city that has like
the majority of these reports. What is it to do?
You care to guess? Kind of, it's easy, it's easy.
(18:35):
It's easy to guess, like Hollywood. Yeah, it's Los Angeles's.
But so Los Angeles County outranks any other place in
California and on its own more than forty states with
(18:57):
three thousand, two hundred sightings reported. L A is crazy. Wow. Also,
they're just hopeful, you know, like maybe maybe right Hope
springs eternal. But there's another thing here that could also
lend to this propensity of reports, because we're not saying
people are making it up. We're saying that people are
(19:19):
just reporting more stuff. California also has a huge number
of military bases. That's right. There are more than fifty
known military bases inside the state of California, not to
account for god knows how many secret ones there might be,
you know, for national security. And we also have to
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remember the California is immediately adjacent to Nevada and Arizona,
which have plenty of military facilities themselves. In addition to
test sites like the Nevada National Security Site UM or
what NO also Nevada Test Site, and that spans almost
sixty square miles and is roughly sixty five mi northwest
(20:01):
of Las Vegas. It was established in nineteen fifty one
to test nuclear devices and one of the most recent
tests occurred on December seventh, which was an underground explosion
meant to learn about the properties of plutonium. And that
just means that there's a you know, a huge swath
of land out there where you could ostensibly test whatever
(20:22):
you wanted, although it's pretty much tainted at this point
with radiation, right, and there are so many other things
that are in that vicinity or that region, right. We
can't forget that the federal government owns vast swaths of
lands in states A budding California and within California itself,
out in those deserts where there's nobody to see what's
(20:45):
going on, where the world either ended earlier God got
into abstract art. Yeah, that's right. If a cactus falls
in the desert, can anybody hear you scream? Well, I
mix my metaphors, n never I think of We will
answer that question definitively. After a word from our sponsor,
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and we're back to to Oh boy, the answer is
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like you can hear it scream? Oh it can hear
you scream? Wol I was combining. If a tree falls
in the forest doesn't make a sound within space, no
(21:34):
one can hear you scream. What's that other one? If
a tree falls in the forest and it hits a mime,
does anyone care? People don't like mimes as a rule,
I kind of you know out there, I like it.
I like I like the old things still. I like
the part where they're in the box. Yeah, a knife
in the hand is worth two in the drawer. Speaking
(21:55):
of fantastic segues, we should also look at the report itself,
because gated a lot of data, but it aggregated it
from places that you know, clearly have some sort of agenda. Yeah,
I mean, even if it's just gathering as much information
as possible, perhaps there's not the level of scrutiny placed
(22:17):
on the reports that you might expect. You know, you
just you take the information in, you write it down objectively,
whatever you're told, and you put it away in a document.
I mean, it's certainly not like peer reviewed. Well it's
peer reviewed, and there's not someone you know on the
phone saying well, okay, so what you saw, you know,
going over whats or like really going over what flights
(22:40):
were in the vicinity or that kind of Yeah, it's
analyzed later, it's just reported. So we have some examples
of like the format this takes correct. Yes, this is
going to come directly from the National UFO Reporting Center.
These are samples Newport, New Fork. These are sightings that
occurred in California from Arch of this year, so just
(23:02):
you know, several days ago, uh plus thirty and let's
let's go into this. These are reported as city shape, duration,
and then a quick short summary physical shape of the object,
whatever the thing is that you saw. So the first
one comes from Mira mar California. It was in some
(23:22):
kind of formation and it lasted five minutes and what
was seen was rapid blinking light which appeared to grow
in size. First just one light was visible, and then
this formation itself became visible. And this was an anonymous report.
That is one of those things that you know, you're driving,
you're hanging out on the porch, you see it and
you go Huh, that's interesting. I wonder with that, whoa
(23:46):
why are all those lights there? Can I can totally
understand that kind of thing I would make. I would
have made that one. Here's a few more. We've got
one and then nives um these shape is unknown, which
what does that mean? What does that mean? It's just
like a new shape, like I'm not even sure. Maybe
it perhaps a change shape, who knows. Um. And the
(24:08):
duration was two minutes, and the summary was fast moving
silent objects in formation. Um, and that was an anonymous report.
Then we have one in Palm Springs. Uh, this is good,
a fancy ufo. Uh. The shape was a formation, so
I'm assuming that means uh, it was a group some
kind of formation, right, um. And a thirty second sighting.
(24:33):
And then in double parentheses and all caps with two
question marks, it says hoax. Yeah, I think this is
a note from whoever recorded it. And then the word
Mars written in the sky by lights and that is
also an anonymous report. Yeah, it's some aliens come down
and light tagging the clouds. It's a little on the nose,
(24:55):
so so you can see range there already between what
you're going to receive with these kinds of sightings, would
you say the range is like from absurd to ridiculous. No, No,
it's absurd to puzzling. I think, right, Um, something you
just don't understand, Like there's one in San Diego. I
could just kill a man. Yeah, so, yeah, there's one
in San Diego that was formed in a circle, lasted
(25:18):
two minutes and we're just looking at some orange spears
that disappear and reappear in the sky somewhere. Yes, Typically
the more objective or reliable reports regarding anomalous material in
the sky will not make a guest toward motive or
agency like this one in Modesto, California. It was a
(25:41):
circle and for duration of six minutes, people witnessed in
the sky three red lights. They thought, oh, probably the
military doing exercises, but they lined up and then one
flew off the top, the one on top flew heca fast. Yeah,
I guess they say, Hella, California. Right. But what we
(26:02):
see here, what we see here is that as as
we said, there is a there is a range, and
it leaves us with a lot of questions, why is
this an American phenomenon predominantly? Why is it localized to
certain states or regions, and perhaps most importantly, what what
(26:23):
military craft at least some of this was gonna be
mistaken top secret military craft. We know that it happened
with stealth fighters in the past. We know that it
happened with jets as well as with surveillance things, high
altitude aircraft right like right now the P seven ninety one.
(26:44):
A lot of people who lament the long gone days
of airships and Zeppelin's, well they're back. The US has
several creepy ones that are at a very very high
altitude watching for some reason. You know, who knows what
they're watching. Maybe they're watching us. I think Matt made
a good point earlier when we get into this next point,
(27:04):
which is, uh, the rise of drone technology. So like,
you know, there's all these consumer or prosumer drones, camera drones,
different things like that. Then you can fly pretty high
and pretty far and this idea of reflections over the
ocean or you know, some of them have lights mounted
on them. You know, if you if you saw the
Super Bowl halftime show, for example, there was a whole
(27:27):
section in it where it was just this massive array
of drones with like led lights on them that can
be controlled, and you know California is a ground zero
for that kind of tech party. Well, I'm just saying, like,
if something cool like that comes out, you know, they're innovating.
They're innovating it, so you know, I wouldn't be surprised
if that could account for some of these reports, if
(27:48):
there has been such a massive uptick. I really like
this idea of of drone technology having something to do
with that. Even on the mid level professional or amateur
drone operator, you can make some weird things happen in
the sky for people who don't know what they're looking at.
It's pretty affordable as well. Yeah, right now, if you
have a spare of thousand bucks, somebody does we we
(28:11):
we don't, But you can get your hands on a
drone with an operating distance of seven thousand meters like that.
You can buy those at Barnes and Noble, like I
mean they literally have them at CVS. Yeah, and you
just hop on Amazon and it will show up at
your door. Even and in theory, with an operating distance
of that like that far seven thousand meters in theory
(28:31):
means you can reach a max altitude of twenty three
thousand feet above the sea level. And you know, if
you're in California and you're pretty close to the sea
level in certain areas over there by the coast um
or in other areas of California, that's really high because
you have to think that the cruising altitude for a
commercial airliner is going to be around thirty six thousand feet.
(28:54):
So how many drones are out there? There are lots
and lots of drones. Just to look back at the
holiday season of almost a million consumer drones were sold
inside the US, and that's just the holiday season for
one year. That's just one year, and you know it's
a year and a half ago. But then in December
of the f a A started requiring all new owners
(29:17):
of drones that are between a certain weight, so like
point five five pounds to fifty five pounds. They were
requiring requiring these owners to register their drones just so
that they would know, hey, here's the general vicinity where
these are going to be located and where they might
be flying. However, in early February of last year, only
(29:38):
three five thousand of these drones had been registered, and
that's not including all the other drones that have been purchased.
Are you saying there are rogue drones out there, Matt
unregistered drones. I'm saying we are littered with rogue drones,
dirty drones, Like do they shave the whatever the equivalent
of the then is off of them, possibly due I
would burner drone. Well, think it's gonna change where getting
(30:01):
a drone is going to become more prohibitive, like you
have to like having to register like immediately. Yeah, I
think certainly that'll what they're sorting out now would be
a federal level law. Uh, some ladies and gentlemen in
the audience, please let us know what your experiences with
having a drone. But I think that's a very good
argument for the rise of sightings. Let's remember, not only
(30:23):
are parts of California very very crowded, but they are,
as Neal said, full of very tech savvy people, people
that the markets often call early adopters, you know. And
and something that's just close to this but not quite
is the idea of sending things up into lower earth
orbit like balloons. You've seen these viral videos all over
(30:45):
YouTube now where you can make a balloon that will
go phine enuff you attach a GoPro or some other
equivalent camera to it, and you just send something up
and then post it to YouTube, and these things go
really high. A lot of times there's a blinking light involved,
and you know, just these little innovative things that are happening.
Maybe that's another part of it too, because one thing
we haven't mentioned yet is whether the US is rate
(31:08):
of internet connectivity explains the number of sightings that people report.
I understand that reasoning, but here's why I'm not persuaded
that that could be the whole explanation, because other countries
have way better Internet connections in terms of speed, in
terms of consistency, in terms of uh, literally any metric.
(31:30):
You can imagine a South Korea. Absolutely, I'm talking about
South Korea. It's so good that internet is so good.
That's amazing, you know. But that's that's a good point
and a good counterpoint. So we don't know how much
role has to play drones. Most definitely, my money is
on testing of unacknowledged military vehicles or misidentified vehicles. Ben,
(31:56):
I think you might be right in a way. The
the internet connect connectivity is being channeled through our smartphones
that we all carry around now, So we can all
pick up our camera and almost any time, not all
of us, of course, but many of us and just
film if we think we see a UFO, Right, so
(32:18):
the sighting itself gets documented faster and more reliably. But
at the same time, to me, that has the potential
to diminish the um impact of a mirror sighting and
report when we are all most of us equipped with
the stuff to capture the damn thing. You know, why
(32:40):
don't we have more convincing UFO videos? If it's about
the rise of technology and the quickness of being able
to report something, why aren't we seeing more Twitter posts,
Instagram pictures of legit sightings? And here's another thing, why
aren't they being identified more concisely or defend aatively? Uh?
(33:01):
If if this all of this technology exists. If not,
and it is true that now, more than any other
point in human history, there will be multiple people able
to document the same thing, right, all three of us.
If we're out on an adventure somewhere and we see
something really cool, all three of us are going to
(33:22):
secure some sort of evidence of it, right, And with
those three different angles, then the chances of us being
able to identify something dramatically increase. So there's another question here,
which is why are these things not being identified more efficiently?
Why are they still unknown? But there's just more of them.
That's why, again, my money goes on um unacknowledged private
(33:47):
sector testing of things or military applications. You beat me
to it, then that seems completely believable because, as we know,
usually the military do a pretty good job of keeping
their new technology under wraps and from the public until
they're done with it. People didn't even know that stealth
(34:08):
helicopters existed. Yeah, right, and now now the secrets out
and that's still kind of a oxy more onto me
a stealth helicopter. Yeah, it's like the quiet yell you
know what, I am seeing? A viable business plan here, guys.
(34:32):
A service maybe we can call it UFO maybe that's
what it's called. And it's an app on your phone
and all you have to do is take a video
or whatever however you get it, uh, send it through
the service and there's human beings on the other side
who collate data from the f f A f a
A from other sources about like, are there any kind
(34:54):
of balloon festivals going on right now? Is there a
wedding where they were Chinese lanterns going up. A balloon festival.
That's sounds charming. There might be all I don't know
if there's such things. Sounds like a lot of fun.
We could just start a balloon FESTIVALA sure, sure, all balloons,
but you you just sent in and say hey was
this UFO, and then somebody can go it was this
(35:16):
or yes it was so two things. First off, I
think that's a great idea. I feel like someone in
this process should be swiping left or right. It's very
big on phones now, so just maybe they swipe to
determine the vrassity. Secondly, um, I don't know about I
don't know about you know, but from Matt's pitch, I
(35:38):
think what I like the most is the balloon festival. Man,
do you want to do a balloon fest? We'll do
the app as well, but I think we should premier
it at this balloon festival. All right, what about a
balloon festival app where you can find your nearest balloon festival? Heaven?
I would pay for that. I wouldn't pay much, but
I pay. See, then we have to start another company
(35:59):
that hosts balloon festivals. Okay, well, now that we've talked
about it on air, everyone just keep this a secret
until we can roll it out because you're the best
part of this show and we depend on you. Uh,
speaking of you, I guess it's time for shut ut corner.
(36:23):
Our first shout out today comes from La Gar the Terrible.
I added the second at Vaults of Xtoff, which still
sounds pretty pretty terrible. Um. And then by terrible I
mean metal metal like like uh, intimidating. And some of
you may actually remember Loura Gar at Vaults of x
(36:45):
thof xed Off, Vaults of x Off. He has written
to us before Lord Gar. If that's his real name,
I hope so, but I I sort of doubt it. Um.
Just finished our documentary about the Georgia guid Stones on
Amazon Ray, and he made a great point. Um. He says,
quote one thing about the eugenics angle of the Guystones is, uh,
(37:06):
if it was for white supremacy, why also have a
language like sanscript that is a very if If that is,
there's there's no indication of race. It seems to be
it's more about intellect. Yeah, there is no clear indication.
But one thing I think is a great point brought
(37:27):
up by your question, Lord Gar is that the many,
many racially oriented supremacy movements idolize or fetishize or imagine
some relationship with an ancient, pre existing culture. So a
(37:48):
lot of people that would be identified as white supremacists
today we're traveling, as you know, European colonizers or something,
and they see the ruins of this huge African empire
and then instead of saying, well, the people who lived
here previously must have done this, they would be like, ah,
the white city in Africa. So there's this confirmation bias
(38:10):
that exists. Um, But I still think that is an
excellent question. If they are um supremacists of any sort,
then why would they also have Yeah, yeah, that's true.
That doesn't seem like a very supremacist oriented thing. But
that's a great question. And thanks for thanks for watching
the documentary. If anyone else out there has not seen it,
(38:33):
it is available for free on Amazon Video. If you
don't have Prime, I think you get bugged by a
couple of ads. But if you do, then it is
ad free all the live long day. Check it out
and let us know what you think. And for all
of you out there in Canada or Australia, especially especially
folks in Australia and Bananada, which is a country I
(38:55):
just made up a Bananada. Well, all of y'all um,
you can't watch it right now currently because of the
restrictions on Amazon. However, we are finding way, a way,
a solution to make this work for Illumination Global Unlimited.
They you know, they have their scruples. We're gonna We're
(39:15):
gonna make it work for them, so look for it soon.
Our next shout out comes from Chad Sandborn, another familiar
name at Chad Sandborn. He writes, did you see this
red mercury? Scare fascinating since it doesn't exist and you
guys discussed it last month, I did not see this,
he sent us in a j C article that's our
(39:36):
hometown newspaper. It is I believe Chad is in atlantin
a t alien alien. I don't know how to say
that properly, but this is I'm just gonna read a
quick excerpt from this says officials are investigating in downtown
Atlanta after reports that a man claiming to have red
mercury from Africa walked into the region to location of
(39:57):
the US Nuclear Regulatory Commission. Interesting, right, Um, it's says
they're still gathering information on the call. And here's another quote.
Red mercury is reportedly a substance used to create nuclear bombs,
but its existence has not been documented. Nope, it hasn't.
Wasn't that some of that Nazi tech? Ye in the episode? Hey,
(40:24):
but the police in Atlanta took it seriously. Apparently parts
of peach Free Street, peach Free Center Avenue in Courtland Street,
down by G. S U U on the mater. Uh,
they were closed off and officers were redirecting traffic. A
hasmat team, a bomb squad, and fire trucks were seen
near the in the investigation. Dude, do you think that's
what blew up the bridge? Was it a red mercury experiment?
(40:47):
Hold on, this is from marcht we haven't have we
talked about the show? Okay, so, uh, several several days ago.
It's it's April five as we record this, right, just
a few days before it comes out. Time travels weird,
I know, welcome to the show. A few a mere
(41:08):
a few days ago. Part of a very important interstate
here in Atlanta. It's an artery. Yeah, it's an artery
to the beating heart of the city, and it caught
a fire and collapsed. And you may be saying, Matt, no,
old Ben, why would you have bridges of oily rags
and would but this was not I would bag bridge.
(41:32):
This is concrete and steel, baby, and didn't, however, happen
to have a enormous stockpile of heavily flammable materials stored
underneath it. Yeah, which which quantifier the official narrative? Now, um, well, first,
there were no injuries, not even fatalities. There were no injuries.
(41:53):
And this was at the you know, the hinterlands chronologically
speaking of Russia. So strange because it was rush hour, right,
and it was like at the end of rush hour.
I drove by it at six and he took that
photo and posted onto the Facebook where you can follow us.
We are conspiracy stuff. Correct, Watch it now before it
gets taken down. Wait, why did you say it like
(42:14):
you're going to take it down. I don't know, you
might only be able to see it for the next
few minutes. Something that guy from the snapchat kind of thing. Yeah,
they sounding in the character. Yeah, I'm going to take
some vengeon down. So we'd like to hear your take
on what happened, just to let you know the current
stance of the officials. Oh, I get it because of
(42:36):
red mercury. It was it was it was a Nazi. Yeah,
that's what I was going for sure. Yeah, if you
heard that part that, I hope we cut out German listeners.
We appreciate your time immensely. Oh my gosh, thank you
so with just this so that this bridge story real quick. Currently,
the people who were arrested were three three um there
(43:00):
described as homeless people in the news, and apparently they
had met previously. I love the way this was depicted. Uh,
they met under the bridge and began having a discussion
about smoking crack, which makes it sound like there was
a meeting dude planning. It makes it sound like somebody said,
you know, ladies and gentlemen, thank you for meeting me
(43:21):
here tonight. I'd like to thank snake Bite for bringing
the beans. There's no one named snake Bite, but those
those people were apprehended and trade and for the official purposes,
thought to be the originators of this fire. But again,
no one was hurt. Time moves on. Traffic will be terrible,
(43:45):
but for some reason. You know, for years and years
they have been stories very flammable things under the bridge,
PVC material and that was the Georgia Department of Transportation
that put it under there, so it was kind of
their fault like oops, and is definitely in code violation right? Sure?
So we have one more email here? Uh? Nathaniel P.
(44:06):
Writes in and says, what up, guys, this nudy? I
just came across the topic that always bothered me. Do
you remember the Michael Hastings car accident a few years back?
The recent wiki leaks vault to seven release allegedly as
info regarding CIA tech capabilities. Among those listed are weaponized
malware and remote hacking. Ironic because that is exactly how
(44:27):
conspiracy realists believe he died. Was he planning on exposing
the CIA like he did General Petraeus? Was he targeted
by the CIA? I remember reading he died shortly after
telling his lawyer he was being investigated by the FBI.
This also brings to mind the Air and Schwartz death,
which is really similar. Both died shortly after being investigated
by the FBI and twenty thirteen, and then goes on
(44:49):
to say that he enjoyed the Guidestones documentary and he
wonders if we are planning on making more documentary style
films in the future. Do you remember the Michael hast
And stuff It rings a very very tiny bell. Yeah,
I very much remember that. And the whole discussion at
the time was, hey, can cars be hacked? Can these
(45:10):
new smart cars that are connected the Internet get hacked?
And the answer came unequivocal, unequivocally, yes, it can happen. Uh.
It was also noted that in most situations you would
have to physically get into the vehicle and attach yourself
to one of the onboard computers to to make it function,
like put a backdoor in essentially in the main onboard computer.
(45:34):
But it was shown that if you did, if you
did successfully get in there, you could stop the brakes,
you could make the cars engine turn over and go,
you could like mess with all the lights and their conditioning.
Pretty much anything you wanted to do, you could do
to a car. And one of those things is make
it go really fast into a tree. Right. So the
(45:54):
Hastings information, when Hastings and Swords passed away, the current
information said that you can do this, but it has
to be plugged in physically to the car's computer. But
now it seems that the CIA has the technology that
was always speculated that they have, and what's more, that
(46:16):
this can be remotely accessed with no physical contact with
the car, So the car itself becomes the weapon. And
you're right, new T, that's what that. The the hacks
indicate that they are definitely, if not already capable of
doing so working on that, and it's a super valuable
(46:38):
you know, it's a super valuable tool to have for
that line of work. I don't want to be able
to remotely control other people's cars. I would go power man.
I have very definite opinions about how people should behave
in traffic. Oh you could. You could be a car
hacker for good. Everybody, every I guarantee you everybody who
(47:01):
is doing that thinks they are also a car hacker
for good. Oh yeah, you're well maybe yeah. Good is
just like uh, good depends on where you stand and
when you meet it. If you're more of a brown
hat hacker, yeah yeah, or or a red hat just
for the excitement. I like that, and just make everybody
(47:22):
use their blinkers all the time. That's all I ask please,
that's going into something that's a different show, but we
we appreciate it. Thank you for not letting Michael Hastings
be forgotten Newtine, and thank you for your interests. We
we do have some on the way. Um. We can't
give you definites right now, but stay tuned and act surprised.
(47:43):
This concludes our gosh. Like we said right to us,
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(48:06):
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