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September 15, 2010 16 mins

When Egyptologists studied King Tutankhamen's DNA, they learned some surprising things: In addition to being disabled, the king was inbred. And this is just the beginning. Learn more about the real King Tut -- and where he came from -- in this podcast.

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome to Stuff You Missed in History Class from how
Stuff Works dot com. Hello, and welcome to the podcast.
I'm Katie Lambert and I'm Sarah Dowdy, and I'm gonna
start off by admitting something. It's really exciting when the
National Geographic in my mailbox turns out to be a

(00:24):
mummy issue, unless it's ice mummies, which, to be honest,
kind of creep me out. Yes, there's there's not a
big ice mummy fan, but in this case in our
podcast episode for today, we're talking about Egyptian mummies, specifically
King Tut and plus ten other eighteen dynasty royals. And
that National Geographic cover story that I saw was a

(00:46):
follow up on a study published late last winter in
the Journal of the American Medical Association's JAMMA. And you
probably saw some of the headlines about this um. One
from National Geographic News, King Tut was disabled malaria and
inbred DNA shows and from Discovery News, King Tut were
orthopedic sandals, which is terribly cutting. I don't know. All

(01:08):
these headlines made me feel feel really sorry for King Tut.
I remember any emailing Katie saying how embarrassing for him?
But there you go. Not that we think orthopedic sandals
are embarrassing. We'd like to clarify, but this whole thing
made us both think back to our never Tedi episode
and her very obscure end. So to give you a

(01:28):
little refresher, there's this strange, murky period of history between
the death of Nefertiti's husband and the ascendancy of tut
We don't really know where this boy came from, or
whose child he is, or just what happened in this
in this period of history. So it made us think
it's time for a follow up episode and plus a

(01:49):
closer look at the study and a closer look at
some more recent news that's contesting one of the points
of the studies. We like controversial. I've lost controversy and
history in this episode. So our story starts with the
powerful pharaoh almand Hotep the Third. He's ruling in the
New Kingdom during the eighteenth dynasty, which is about b C.

(02:11):
And he's no small potatoes, as Sarah put it, He's
a big guy. He's got an empire from the Euphrates
to the Fourth Cataract of the Nile, and he reigns
for thirty seven years with his queen tie. He's succeeded
by their son Amen Hotep the fourth And if you
listen to that never t D episode, you know what's

(02:31):
coming up next. This guy is the heretic king who
decides to ditch the chief god Alman plus all the
other Egyptian gods and worship only one god, Autun, and
he changes his name to Acnaughton. He and his wife
never Td have six daughters, and they act as high
priest to this new religion they've created. He eliminates the

(02:52):
almond priesthood, he leaves thebes. He even changes the way
art looks, making up less of sunshine. Because Aton is
a is a son god. They like to have their
art have themselves depicted outside, but also feminizing the male form,
which has led some people to think maybe there was
a reason for that. That's going to be one of

(03:14):
our genetic mysteries for later in the episode, and after
Anton's death, we have that mystery period featuring a shadowy king,
smenkak Are and maybe even nefer ted as a female pharaoh.
Dat da dat. So whatever happens, nine year old Teuton
Cotton comes out as king in the end. I'm not

(03:34):
mispronouncing it. It's Tuton Cotton. So will this young Tuton
Cotton keep up this new religion under Otton. No. Within
only two years, the boy king returns to the old ways.
He changes his name to Tuton Common, and the temples
are reopened. They come back to Thebes, and his wife,
a daughter of never Ted and Achnaton, changes her name

(03:55):
as well. But Tut is dead before his twenties, and
he leaves no living children. He's shuttled away to a
comparatively meager tomb. It's not at all what we think
of when we think of the Grand Egyptian to King
Tut's tomb is supposed to be filled with the treasures
to end all treasures. That's kind of what people initially thought,

(04:15):
But it's just the simple fact all of the great
Pharaoh's tombs have been robbed so long ago that all
of their stuff is gone. We're left with King Tut.
It looks good to us, but it wasn't a terrible
lot at the time well, and his line of kings
is completely wiped out from memory after he's dead. It's
they wanted no memory of that time under Auton at all,

(04:37):
even though he's the guy who who brings them back
to the old religion. Just his association with this heretic
god and the heretic king is too much, so he's
essentially erased from memory. His tomb is so obscure, it's
so hidden away, it's covered pretty quickly that grave robbers
don't really find it, and when Howard Carter opens it

(05:00):
in it's barely been touched. It's perhaps ripe with curses.
And we're left with all this amazing treasure, the amazing
golden mask and coffin, and the question who is this
young boy behind the handsome gold mask? And for a
long time people thought he might have been struck dead

(05:22):
so young, by a blow to the head, or perhaps
a hunting accident, some type of things that would kill
a nineteen year old right, But a two thousand five
CT scan shows that no, Actually, the hole in Tut's
head had to do with his embalming and not his death.
It also showed that he had a broken leg. But
while CT scan can tell us a lot, it couldn't
tell us who he was. DNA can, So this Jamma

(05:46):
study looked at the DNA markers of King Tup ten
mummies who are likely to be a skin and five
unrelated mummies as control. They were older mummies, so the
scientists were looking at the variable regions of DNA to
see what exactly got passed from generation to generation, and
a match of eight was good enough to establish a

(06:07):
blood relation. So they tested each mummy from at least
two spots, trying to avoid contamination going deep inside the bone.
And they were doing this because the mummies could have
been contaminated by the ancient Egyptian priests who actually mummified them,
or even the lab people who were working on them,
so they had to test them against themselves as well.

(06:29):
So there were four mummies that we knew already. We've
got tut We've got almen Hotep the third, that great
eighteenth dynasty pharaoh, and we know the parents of his
wife ty You Yah and to you. So those were
the ones that we already that we already had for sure.
And then there are lots of mummies that we don't know.
There's a male mummy k V fifty found in the

(06:51):
Valley of the Kings in nineteen oh seven with a
defaced coffin. He's terribly decomposed too well, and he's presumed
to be Akna nor even Smenka car A. We also
have two female mummies found in eight hidden away in
a king's tomb, and they're called the Elder Lady and
the Younger Lady. There are also two other female mummies

(07:12):
buried in the valley who are presumed to be royalty
because of their left arm crossed over their chest. And
we've also got two female fetuses found in Tut's tomb
who are believed to be his daughter's. So who is who?
All right, So first we're going to start with who
is Tut's dad? Uh Tut had called Almond Hotep the

(07:32):
Third his father, but that was a vague term. It
could mean your ancestor, it could mean your grandfather. It
didn't have to necessarily mean your actual father. Well, and
it wasn't Almand Hotep the Third dead before that was
that's what history suggested. So other candidates would be Aknaton
or even Smenka Carre, whoever Smenka Cary is, which is

(07:54):
going to prove to be a little bit of an
issue here. So the results of this millennia old fraternity
tests turn out this, so amind Hotep is ninety nine
point nine nine for sure. The father of that mystery
mummy k V fifty five. K V fifty five is
ninety nine point nine nine percent sure the father of

(08:15):
King Tut. So there we have three generations of mummies
who are related to each other, but we still don't
quite know the identities well, and k V fifty five
is obviously not Amen Hotep, but because he's the grandfather exactly,
so could it be Norton? Could it be smenko Car
scientists can't say for sure, but our money is on Acknton,
since one we actually know who he is, and two

(08:38):
he would have been the right age to have sired
Tut since his CT scan showed signs of middle age ailment.
So based on circumstantial evidence makes sense well. And initially
the scientists had thought that that kV ft five mummy
was a young man, maybe only twenty five years old,
and due to the number of children that ack Noon
had it couldn't have been him. But these middle aged

(09:01):
ailments proof that he was probably more like about forty
years old. So next we've got to look at Tut's
maternal line. If Amenhotep the third is Tut's grandfather, was
his wife Queen Tie his grandmother, and to figure this
one out. Our scientists compared to the known parents of
Queen Tye, who are Yuya and to you? To the

(09:22):
so called elder lady, who Sarah said is so well
preserved it's scary. No, you should look up a picture
of her. She looks like this very very tiny, dry
person with lots of hair and a strange sort of
sentimental side note on that hair, a lock of it
had been found in King Tut's tomb in this little
series of nesting coffins, and it was labeled as the

(09:45):
hair of Queen Tye. So, uh, we we have is
sweet Tut. We have this suggestion that maybe Queen Tie
is Tut's grandmother. The DNA results come in the elder
lady is the daughter of Yuya and to you, so
she is Ti and KVFT is her son. The puzzle
pieces are coming together here, So our next question is

(10:08):
who is King Tut's mom The younger lady who was
found with Tie. Her DNA matches Tuts. But here's where
that severely inbred bit from the headlines starts up. The
younger lady is also the daughter of Alman Hotep. The
third end Tie. We're missing some grand maare We've only
got two grandparents, so King Tut's mom and dad are

(10:31):
brother and sister. Yeah, and we don't know this woman's name,
the younger lady. We do know though, that she's not
never Tdi and Kia. So let's go back a little.
Let's assume that Tut's father is ack Norton. Ack Norton
had two very famous wives, never Teti, who was the
subject of our podcast, and Kia, but there's nothing mentioned

(10:52):
anywhere about either of them being his sisters, so we
can assume that it is a entirely different woman. Um.
But because Am and Tup and Tie had several daughters,
we're just not sure exactly which one it is. So
that's four generations figured out. And that brings us to
Tut's own family. So one of the fetuses found in

(11:12):
his tomb is definitely his daughter, probably up the other
one as well, and their mother, and Tut's wife might
be one of the women buried with the crossed arms
in the valley. Tut's wife had been described historically as
Nefertiti and Aknaton's daughter, and knowing what we know now,
this would make her Tout's half sister and even though

(11:33):
the babies don't show severe malformations, it's it's possible that
the line was by this point too in bred to
bring a living air into the world. Yeah, which brings
us to another issue that came out of this study.
This family had some major malformations tut, especially with his
club foot and a deformed toe, is missing a bone um,

(11:54):
a cleft palette possibly. Plus he suffered from necrosis, malaria,
and a broken leg right before he died. So if
you if you add those things in, things like malaria
and a broken leg, it starts to seem like this
very sickly pharaoh could be taken down pretty easily. He
was only nineteen when he died, as we mentioned, and
he had at least thirty canes in his tomb, so

(12:18):
that makes you think it probably wasn't for decoration. These
weren't regal staffs. He likely needed them to walk, which
explains why he's so often shown sitting down in portraits
of the time. Yeah, and because this family, you know,
possibly because this family is so inbred. Malformations abound in
lots of his family members. There's a cleft palette and

(12:39):
scoliosis and anat in a club foot in Almandhotep, the
third scoliosis and club feet in the mummy k V
twenty one A who's the younger lady supposed to be
Tut's wife. Um, so we have this pile up of
of malformations in the family, but there isn't actually a
genetic disorder or anything that would have made Anton or

(13:00):
Tut androgynus. So that bit is seriously just the style
of the art at the time. The feminized art from
that period that shows men with what looked like brass
sounds very well, yeah, that's just apparently what was what
was what was the style if you were if you
were drawing. But again we come to our our little
bit of controversy. In June, a group of German scientists

(13:25):
question this Jama Egyptian study and said that Tut's footbones
actually suggest he had sickle cell disease, which is something
that can lead to the necrosis the tissue death, and
they have called for more studies, which we said, that
is how one episode breeds multiple follow ups there exactly,
there's always something new that we're finding out. Part two,
Part three. So after Tut dies, a queen who is

(13:49):
probably his widow pleads to the Hittite king to send
her a prince, and the dispatched prince never makes it
to her, and we have this brief period of army control,
and then finally Egypt passes on to a new pharaoh
who's Ramsey is the first and we get the surge
of new blood into Egypt. So it makes the thing.

(14:09):
I know, people request the Hapsburg gin a lot. You know,
we've talked about some of the hapsburg actually, and they're
inbreeding but royal infest. You know, it keeps power in
the family. But it's a big, big genetic gamble, and
certain common is a very good example of that. And
that brings us to listener mail. We got an email

(14:32):
from Sarah and san Antonio who said that she one
loved Arrested Development and two had picked up on four
of our references in our pod past. For those of
you who have not been inducted into the club of
people who adore Arrested Development, pick it up um. But
she said she saw a reference to Maggie Lizer and
I met a chea Murders episode Hot ham Water in

(14:55):
Charlie Chaplin, George Michael in the Creation of Adam and
Michaelangelo and the Hot Cops in our art heist episode.
We can think of one more that we did um
be always from broken Hair, but if you have any others,
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(15:18):
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how stuff works dot com. It's called was there Really
a Curse on King Tut's Tomb? It's a fun one.

(15:41):
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