May 18, 2017 • 63 mins
Space travelers Jamie and Caitlin invite guest Eliza Skinner onto their spacecraft, but she might have brought something with her...lots of insight and laughs!
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
On the dol Cast. The questions asked if movies have
women and um are all their discussions just boyfriends and
husbands or do they have individualism? The patriarchy ze and
best start changing it with the Beck del Cast. Hi,
welcome to the Backdel Cast. My name is Jamie, my
name is Caitlin, and this is our podcast about how
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women are portrayed in movies. Yeah, it's the Beck Dol
Cast is ah and so today my first time talking
to anybody today. So that's Oh, I don't know how
to string a sense together. I only talked to So.
I talked to someone at the DMV today. He was
very nice. His name was Arnold, and he's like, why
(00:44):
don't you have a driver's license? And I was like, honestly,
it's a really long story and and he was like, Okay,
don't worry about it's mine. So we're very close. Now good. Yeah.
Last time I was at the d m V, I
cried in public because I failed the written test do
you have to take like in California. I had to
switch over my Massachusetts license and I had to retake
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the written test, which I did not pass because they
asked me questions were not relevant to me at all.
They're like, how do you strap in a car seat
or something like that, and I was like, I ain't
never having kids? Was that not an option? That was
not an option that was that did not let me
choose that, That was not like, f ain't never having kids? Unbelievable.
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The system is ringed. It really is. Yeah, away to
arn all that window for the Glendale d MV. He
saw my birth certificate today, which is good. It's amazing.
I still have it because I've been passing it around
a stand up stuff recently, just to like why. I
don't know, but I don't know. People enjoy it though? Cool? Yeah, Hey,
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should we talk about movies? I don't know. Okay, all right,
let's talk about movies. As we mentioned, this is a
podcast about the portrayal of female characters in movies. Whoops,
A lot of movies don't do it very well. We're
gonna call it out. But this movie actually does well.
We'll talk about it. But we're here with a guest,
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and let's introduce her again. I'm very bad at talking today.
I I wish I was drunk. Okay, where is the
Mike's hard? Where is it? Anyway? Our guests here with
us today. She's a very funny stand up comic. She
is a writer on The Late Late Show with James Cordon,
and she has her own podcast called Angry Little Goats,
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which she co hosts with Will Weldon, who you might
remember from our Mad Max Fury Road episode Friend of
the Cast, Friend of the episode we got all that
hate mail about, Yeah, we did from all those steam punks,
and now we have a new friend of the cast.
Our guest, Ali is this skinner. Thanks for being here,
Thank you for having me. Yeah kind of? Did you
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really get hate mail? When Will came on? We well,
it was specifically about It wasn't as much as we
would love to blame him for it. Uh No, I
think I was the target of posts of the vitriol. Well,
because we did uh Mad Max Herey Road was the
episode we did with Will and I, I guess called
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out the steampunk culture a little too hard. I guess
I was a little too tough on the steampunks. And
apparently the steampunks are listening to the podcast because hello steampunk. Hey,
shout out to all of all you dirty steampunks out there.
We still got we still have beef. I think that
maybe steampunk suit that's the only okay prejudice to have
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versus steampunks. I think it's I don't even know if
it's that much of a real thing. Like I worked
on the show When to preach into the cho where
we were like, hey, we need to find steampunk people
like as far as like a lifestyle thing, and nobody. No,
we couldn't find anybody. We found. We ended up finding
one lady who when she showed up, She's like, oh no,
this isn't my life. If I just have this outfit
and get paid to wear it for parties. Sometimes I'm like, oh, well,
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there are festivals. I got a group onto a steampunk
festival once because I just wanted to face my fears.
Did you go? Yeah? I went? Was it super fun?
It wasn't. It was upset everyone. There were just gears
and and suede vests. It was disgusting. Made me sick. Well, hey,
the movie we're talking about, I think has no trace
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of steampunk culture. Culture in this one for that base culture.
The a lot of space culture. Because the movie we're
talking about is Alien yea from nineteen seventy nine, directed
by Ridley Scott Eliza. Yes, When did you first see
this movie? What's your history with it? Gosh, I don't know.
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I must have probably seen it for the first time
in high school. I remember when Aliens came out because
they're the cover of Mad Magazine was like one of
the first Mad magazines I had. They did a parody
of it, and I didn't understand at all, but I
was like fascinated. So then when I was older, I
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saw that. So you saw Aliens before Aliens? Yes? Um?
And uh so yeah. I must have been in high
school when I finally saw Alien. Got you? What about you,
Jamie Yesterday? Nice? Really? Yeah? Wow? As do you like
sci fi? Um? I don't even know that. I like
movies very much. I like I like cartoons and television,
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but I and true crime. So did you know? What
did you know about it going into it? Um? I
knew that I had to keep reminding myself that it
was not Aliens, which I watched the first ten minutes
of before realizing I should be watching Alien. Shoot that
spoiled so much stuff for you? Yeah, I mean it did.
But also, I you know, sci fi is like not
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my area of extreme interest, so I was sort of
going into this one, like, all right, we're gonna through this.
We're going to get through this, Jamie, It's going to
be fine. I got some Jack in the box. I
honkered down and watched the first ten minutes of Aliens,
and then all of the like why is Bill Paxton?
And this I Oh my God, and then I and
then I wanted to watch Big Love, but it wasn't
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an option. Time was of the essence well, like yeah,
because one of the interesting things I think about Alien
is uh that initially watching it, audiences didn't know who
the protagonist was going to be, right, Yeah, So it
sorts so kind of unfolds and an interesting way the
the the evolution of each character. I had enough peripheral
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knowledge of like sigurity, we like, I knew who was
the focus. But other than that, I was just like,
it takes place in space, and there's a movie that
is frustratingly sounds exactly like it that I will get
confused with. But it's space working class. It's true. Yes, yeah,
they're like what type of or we don't know. I'm
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not important space or moon or I saw the movie,
I think probably in college for the first time, and
I think I saw Aliens like right after it too,
But that's are the only two I've seen. I have
not I'll be honest, I prefer Aliens. I think I
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do too. I think the Alien is the better movie
and certainly better acted, because my goodness, does Bill Paxton
give an insane performance in Aliens. But I don't talk
about this, I will flip out, I know. I mean,
he's enjoyable to watch. He's given some pretty cheesy dialogue
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and his acting is extremely over the top, which I
think is perfectly appropriate. From Time and Twister. He's awful,
but yeah, he's He's capable of performances that ranged from
bad to good. Yep, that's all right, But yeah, I
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think Aliens is definitely more my speed of like an
action guns and stuff. Again, I'm very good with words today,
but they're they're creeping around. Yeah, it's honestly, I did
not ever really draw this parallel until the recent rewatch
of Aliens. But it is quite similar to Jurassic Park,
and it's in terms of it's like story structure at
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least um, which is one of my favorite movies ever.
So I was like, oh man, this is basically just
like Jurassic Park. But with aliens instead of dinosaurs. Anyway, Jamie,
did did you like the movie? Did you like Alien?
I did. I enjoyed it as much as I could
enjoy a sci fi movie, Like I know, like it's
it's definitely not my wheelhouse, but I I you know,
it's like, once you get into it, you're like, Okay,
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there's gonna be a creature. It's gonna be covered in goop.
We're gonna we're gonna beat the creature up more goop.
So I was ready for creatures and goop, So dread it.
What is your whalehouse? If that's not my wheelhouse? Is
kind of all over at the board. I like old.
I mean most of the movies I like are older,
which we don't usually cover here. Mid century older Like yeah,
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like forties and fifties is much better. Female characters back then,
uh some complex? Yeah, A lot of times. I think
they let them be. They at least have personalities, even
when therefore, you know, confined to the house. Um. I
love sci fi, but I have a real bias against
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boy stories. Um stories that are just like all about
dudes from a male point of fel Like, I really
it's not I don't look at them and then judge them.
I just honestly cannot connect with them. But I love
sci fi, and so I've found a lot of um
sci fi that kind of works around that for me,
especially books. You've probably even like my love of sci
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fi books kind of brought me into well, it's time
for the Caitlin Rique. Caitlin Rique. This story revolves around
a crew on a spacecraft called the Stroma and they
have just come back from mining the Moon or or whatever.
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They're woken up from there like hyper sleep because there's
a distress signal or something like that coming from a planet.
They're like, oh man, we gotta go check it out.
And it's a crew of seven people. There's Dallas played
by Tom Scarrett. He's the captain. Then we've got Brett,
which is Harry Dean Stanton Kine's played by John hurt
Ash is Ian Holme. Parker is yaw Fit Kdo. Then
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we've got ripley Okay, Silgournia Weaver, and then Lambert which
is Veronica cart right, and don't forget Jones e the
cat anyway, introducing m Jones as himself. You know that
apparently that it was originally all male characters. M it
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doesn't surprise me one it Yeah, it was written, um
all supposedly written gender neutral, but that means men they're
with the mast man. And I've heard one of the
drafts of it was done by Walter Hill, who did
for forty eight hours another forty hours in Streets of
Fire and a bunch of stuff. Um and he just
change he has writing partner, changed those two characters and
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two women, but then didn't change any of the other dialogue,
which I think is son and yeah, like a smart
thing to be taken away from that. I mean Amy
Pohler at one point and Knows famously quoted as saying
someone was like, they don't know how to write for women.
She like, just write a man and then give it
a woman's name. Just write a person, because guess what
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women are? People? Whoa what crazy? Crazy? That's interesting, I mean,
And that checks out with Ripley's character. Is there's not
I don't know there's she's not put upon as a
like that's not central to the plot, which I thought
was kind of refreshing, Like it is very like cold
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and unlikable. Yeah, would you never get to see I mean,
or if you do it's like extremely demonized, and that's
very rarely. You know, the central character, which is nice. Yeah,
because people love bad boys, bad boy, people love seven
seasons of a prestige bad boy. But we never get
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we never get even ninety minutes of a bad girl. Yeah. Yeah,
back to the very good recap. It's okay. We encourage tangents.
That's what this podcast is all about. So they're on
a ship and they're awoken because there's like a weird
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distress signal of some sort coming from a planet. So
they go to check it out and a few of
the guys are like, oh man, what's this weird alien
ship it's on this planet. And John Hurt is like,
oh man, there's some weird pods. Better go look inside one.
And then a weird hand a lien is what I
would like to describe it as, or attaches itself to
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John Hurt's face face hugger ugger, that's what we call
him Facebook. And they're like, oh jeez, John, let's get
you back to the ship. And Ripley he goes straight
through his helmet. Yeah, and the face is a very
intimate face. One of the well, I mean those and
the pods are like the beginning of the the overt
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sexual imagery, like really really gross. Oh yeah, there's because
pussies are gross. Uh. They're like, we gotta get John
back on the ship and Ripley is like, oh, that's
kind of like breaking protocol. He's got to go through quarantine.
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She's straight up as like, no way, that's that's against protocol.
That's not happening. No, and it all like everything would
have been fine if they just listen to her. But
everybody's like what a count Yikes, rules were made to
be broken. So we all had killed by alien. Be
cool about it? Rip, Yeah, totally. So they've they let
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him with the face hugged John hurt onto the spacecraft
and he's in a comma and they're like how do
we get this thing off? And they try to cut
it off and then it bleeds acid and they're like,
oh funk man, that's crazy. And then all of a
sudden he's alive and well again, so like well this
is fine, and then he gives birth through his chest.
(14:31):
Basically yeah, there's a lot of birth and oh yeah, yeah,
there's just dicks lots of birth. The when the face
huggers on him, you know, like so like what's happening
is he's impregnated. Yeah, it's impregnant. So he's like basically
shoving his face hugger dick down his throat kind And
one of the things I find kind of funny about
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it is after it dies, like after it falls off,
and it's just like dead, and I'm like, dude, I
get it, like New City right at this point, just like,
don't even touch me. I just want to be a
dead spider thing. I already juiced down your throat. So
that's it for me. Speaking of jizz slick transition, Ian
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holme ak ash Ak the cyborg robot spoil full of jizz. Yeah,
he's got jizz blood, man, the worst kind of blood. Yeah,
there's no will and I actually talked about it on
the podcast a few weeks ago that we're like, what's
the worst kind of sci fi blood? We're both like
milk blood, but it's really jizz blood. Yeah, it's the worst,
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totally covered with Yeah, I just get to head skipping.
Take a few screenshots there. Yeah, yeah, just for you know,
I feel like that's the kind of screenshot get you
to send him like a like like a sexy right
i'd be like, oh wow, me after seeing roast, I'm
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just covered in scoop. Spiritually speaking, yeah, of course. So
John hurts like man, things are great, and then he
an alien burst out of his chest, killing him, and
then the aliens like all right, he I'm gonna go
hide over here now. So like, oh, show, we gotta
go catch this thing, and the crew starts looking for it,
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and somehow, in a span of it seems like a
few hours, Yeah, come here, it grows to adulthood, and
I don't know, a day or something. It's crazy so
fast it feels like a day. But I feel like
they don't place enough, like you know, like coming of
age nostalgia and in regards to how quickly they really
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don't want to aliens journey was adulthood? Where was? I
never realized until you just said that that that was
the same alien. I was just like, suddenly, there's all
these aliens on the ship, Like I didn't get that
it was the same one who grew up. I'm dumb.
I mean, they don't. It's it's confusing because it's literally
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a baby fetus alien basically. And then in the next
scene you see it, which is pre probably a few
hours later you have gotten like a few like like
some like screeching, growing pain sort of moments of it.
I feel like that would have a call like like
like a shadowy like or like found some some some
leftover skins. Well, Harry de San does do that, like yeah,
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but and I was probably like it's all the aliens.
That's like a sci fi horror trope that I like
when when creatures are growing and then you see like
their their shoulder blade like pop out and and they
shed and there's more goop. I think that that's my
generalization of the genre, just with the pussy goop. Yeah,
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pussy give it a little dick goup to. Yeah, well,
the full size alien is a dick with a pussy
with is Oh wait is this for children? I think,
uh no, yes, we have an audience that reaches like
ages seven to twelve, so we're gonna have to a
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is a nanny with a cuckoo. And I have never
heard any of those words to describe any genitalia. I'm
having fun. I was like, oh no, am I missing?
But they sounded right right, They sounded good, Okay, they
that sounded like a fun way to to tell a child.
What's to call her? Dick? Hey, nanny nanni and that's
a cuckoo? Wait which one's which nanny is? I think
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a nanny's a dick? And see I was saying the
other man, okay, we could do lit r. I was
thinking cuckoo because like I was thinking of a woodpecker.
Yeah maybe it was. I don't know, yeah either, right,
know what? Anything could be? Anything? So the crew goes
off looking for this alien and they basically get killed
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one by one and then Ripley's like, all right, well,
I guess I gotta fix everything, and then she escapes
into the show old but a little surprise and the
aliens there and she's like, well fuck you then and
she blows out into space and the end so only
she and Jones you the cat survived, except do you
know the original ending? The original ending wasting? She makes
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her final like, um a little statement in the log
the original ending is that the same statement, But then
the camera reveals that the voice is coming out of
the aliens, mad that she is dead and the alien
is the only one who's living. And somehow the alien
knows how to talk like people, which is it's the
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goofiest thing, but yeah, and the studio was like, hmmm,
that seems goofy, let's not do that. And also it's
a bummer so I would have I feel like if
Sigourney Weaver's character was a man, I wouldn't mind that ending.
Three Well, yeah, I mean it which or bother me
less because that's still like a hokey and of like
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the alien it learned to speak English, which actually is
kind of inspiring, and it's grew that fast. It should
have a few degrees by the end of the thing. Fact,
the alien should have a pH scene. I mean, it's
not a good time to mention my master's degree in screenwriting.
I don't like to bring it up, but you guys
were the ones who mentioned it, so I think I
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did definitely do not mention my manager for that comment. Okay,
we would disagree anyway. Also, the chest burster scene, Um,
I can't be the alien person in the world who
experienced seeing Spaceballs before seeing this. I also, yeah, so
when it happened to Spaceballs, I didn't understand it, but
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I was like hilarious, and my mom was like, well,
it's from this movie, and I was like, don't spoil it.
I'm loving it. Yeah. I definitely saw Spaceballs along before
I saw Alien and did not really get the reference.
But now that I've seen Alien, oh, that seems even
more hilarious. There is another like spoofy parody movie that
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you may be familiar with, hot Shots and Hot Shots
Part Do. Hot Shots Part Do is one of my
favorite movies ever, and it part Do Part Do and
it parodies a number of films that I had not
seen when I was but I still thought it was
the funniest movie ever. I was like, man, this is hilarious,
and then I but I didn't understand any of the references.
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Cool story, Caitlin. So this is basically a movie about Ripley,
like the strong female character being like, hey, you guys,
you're dumb. We should we should do this thing. That's
the right choice. And everyone's like no, it's like that's
really unlikable and it's unattractive, and she's like, oh, but
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it's the right thing to do, and they're like, we
don't like you and you're never going to have your
own TV show. And then I'm like, no, wait, this
is about her, not me making it away too personally. Um,
I mean, can we presume that the reason that the
rest of the crew is always like, no, Ripley, We're
doing it our way. Who cares about standard procedure. Can
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we presume that it's because she's a woman. Maybe, I
don't know. I don't think I don't think it's because
she's a woman, because it is like the compassionate choice
when they do that there, it's never like should we
have cake or pie? It's like should we Yeah, And
so it's like I will say that I don't think
it's because she's a woman, And I think that's part
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of the like future utopia they're trying to sell us,
where it's like, look, there's all kinds of different ages
of people and races of people, and they all work
to get in genders of people and they get respected
just as like whatever. Yeah, I mean, it's not super
surprising to hear that the characters were sort of written
with the intention of being not genderless, but um could
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be a man or a woman just because yeah, Sigourney
Waver being a woman does not seem to factor in
that much in the way that she's treated. I think
that like what's most interesting about her character that wouldn't
be interesting per se if she was a man. Was
was the coldness and like the clinical like by the
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book attitude that. Yeah, I mean that would be a
character as a man, but it wouldn't be unusual. Yeah,
she's straight up on Michael Well. And they literally don't
have her save the cat until the end. You must
understand that with your degree. And again when I think
it must have been so cool to see it and
not know anything about it and just be like, who's
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that bitch? And I guess it's about this Dallas guy.
He's the captain. I'm sure that's who this story is
all about. Or you know these these fun love and
engineer fellas her rapscallions. Um wait, so you guys find
her unlikable because I think they kind of like pain.
They do. But but she goes on a journey for sure.
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But I don't know. I'm like, I was on board
with her from like minute one. I'm like, yeah, they
shouldn't bring this guy who's been attacked by this face
hugging alien creature. Yeah, it's probably gonna end poorly. Maybe
do I think this because what I what I know
of horror sci fi movie? Maybe? I mean, it's not
called ship with No Alien on it right, you know
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when you're starting it, something's happened. But I really could
also be that I am an unapologetic rule follower because
I'm terrified of authority and I'm just like rules. I
love rules. I wish I didn't hate myself because I do.
I say f the rules. I like to buck authority.
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I'm actually the same way. And I did find that
a way to kind of relate to her and respect her.
But I but you could also see the whole rest
of the crew was like in it for each other
and like looking out for each other, and she's the
one who's being the jerk. The way I saw that
dynamic was like she's the boss, and the boss does
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not break the rules, and all the I guess subordinates
as it were, are way more likely to break the rules.
But she's not even the boss, Like she's not the
captain and the ship or anything like that. She's not
even his first command. Until a few other people die
ashes like the science officer, I thought she and we
sort of like, yeah, I'm not entirely Yeah, I don't
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really know what her role is because they're the ones
who she she's like the they bicker about it. Because
he clearly being who and what he is is like filled,
let's get him in the ship. Yeah, I want to see.
And then when when they bring him in and it's
the face hugger through the helmet is just like an
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egg with a vagina in it. It's like the most there.
This is like scary. Yeah. Apparently the pods, you know,
the the eggy pod things that they find um and
they kind of like open with the four pedals. It
originally was just too it was just like yeah, and
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again the network was like, um, that's too much. Yeah
there's yeah. They were like they said that they were
scared they wouldn't be able to show it then like
Catholic countries or so. Yeah, double the flaps, double the fun,
that's what I say. Yeah. Oh I got an audible
laugh from Aristotle. I got it. You earned it into
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Aristotle loves stubble flap. You guys gonna put that on
a T shirt And I'm suggesting you should put that
on the We're an enamel pin. Those are hip now
right Oh yeah, people love the pins. Yeah, buttle picture
of the egg the pod and a banner on it
that says Aristotle loves double And then just let the
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people interpret it as sure that was Geiger hr Geiger,
is that his name that does? Yes? Yes, yes, yeah.
We needed all the like creepy space sex design there
there seemed to be I mean, I don't know that,
but like the practical effects in this movie we're so cool,
especially for the era. Yeah, I mean even the scene
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where Ash's head is off and his body is like
flapping around, um and he's clearly just like there with
like the head flap kind of over him, but it
still looks kind of flawless. It's pretty cool. Yeah, because
there's I mean just a big mess these days. I
don't know that. It just looked really I the crap
out of it, and it would fake and it would
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be and the head would be floating. Uh. Yeah. The
only part where I was like, oh, this is kind
of dumb is like when the baby alien bursts out
of the chest and like you see it kind of
like scamper across the tape like that, like that it's
clearly like someone doing some puppet tree that's not very good,
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and you're like, cute baby, or even the look like
it burst out and it sort of looks at everyone
but a baby. Yeah, it's a very like not the mama,
are you my mama? And then uh or what's the
Alison beckdel book that I can never remember the name of?
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Are you my mother? Yeah? Okay, yeah, that's what it
says when it bursts out of are you my mother? Yeah.
I'm just I know that she's that Ripley is not
like a warm character. She's like very by the book
in terms of but and she does become like more
in the Director's Cat there's a scene where, um, man,
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what's the other woman's name, Lambie now, where she straight
up hits her when they come back in, just slaps
her across the jaw. Yeah. I made a note that, like,
it was kind of a bummer to see, like the
two women characters that there are in this movie be
kind of hostile to each other. But then I was like, wait,
Ripley's just stile towards everyone because she's almost always telling
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someone to funk off or screening at their face, and
it's justified. I think that, you know, women should these
female characters should be allowed to have to be a
full range. You don't always you're I also find it
a little um obnoxious when it's all like cat fighting.
But I didn't feel like that. No, no, I don't
think that's happening here. Yeah, that was just really like,
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if you want to be real technical about it, not
the only female character mother the ship, Mother the ship.
So I was really hoping Jones was a girl cat
so we could just have one more. Did they Did
they nail down with the kind of cat? No? I
guess not, but jon Z, maybe I just assumed based
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on the name that it was a boycat. But and
again in Aliens, the cat becomes a little girl. I mean,
it doesn't become a little girl, but like the same
trans figures and to a girl. Like same role as
Power one. The same role is done, but the plot
device is a little girl instead. Oh and then um,
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and then yeah, the Queen Bee is a lady, a lady,
she say, she calls mother a bit in this I
think she calls the alien a bit to get away
from your bit. YEA great line. Basically, I just like
how throughout the entire story, Ripley is given a bunch
of agency. She's making decisions that are usually not obeyed,
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but she's definitely playing an active, like a very active
role in the story. So we're used to seeing female
characters like, you know, I want to like, I'm just
gonna sit here and not really do anything. You can
stress about the decision, right, But she's just like, this
is what we're doing. Listen to me, this is what
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has to happen. No one does and they pay the
price for it. Yeah. So I just thought it was
super cool to see her being like, funck off, you guys,
listen to me, here's the right choice. Do what I say.
You're painting a picture of yourself, like Ripley is badass.
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I wanted to talk a little bit about Lambert because
of I read some background on her character, because I
guess that Veronica cart Right arrived on set believing she
was going to play Ripley and then they were like, actually, sorry,
bitch your Lambert, and she was not happy with it.
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And but particular took issue with the character of Lambert
and how Lambert is more fearful and expresses a lot
of the fear. And I guess the function of that
character or the way she was written was, you know,
she represents the audience and like what we're feeling. Um,
(31:53):
But I guess that Veronica cart Right took issue with
that of like, why does that have to be the
only female care trip besides Ripley Slash. What didn't no
one tell me? I'm definitely that's the big question. That's
actually what happened. Um, Because on the other hand, you
could make a case for it's very interesting to have
the audience to to expect the audience to relate to
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these two female characters in the most significant ways in
this sci fi alien movie. Instead, because yeah, I didn't
really feel any connection with anything that one except maybe
Ash because we're introduced to him mostly as the one
who's kind of pushing against Ripley. Everybody else was like
they seem like cool dudes. I also find it interesting
(32:37):
that it was it's a very classist kind of movie
that you. I mean, they kind of moved away from that.
But the whole beginning is then being like, you know,
how many shares do we get? Like clearly they were
willing to do whatever within reason just to get this payday.
There's no executives aboard, there's no like higher socio economic
class people in there. Um. The guy who comes across
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as though he is the one with the British accent,
who seems much fancier he's not a human, right, it's
not a person at all. I love the fancy British.
It's the best. They couldn't program him to have an
American accent on the design right there, Like he's he's fancy,
and that's the hint that you should have picked up
on the whole time, the only fancy one. Of course,
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he's an Andrews. They're an evil people, yes, the fancies. God,
that's like Bill Knight and so many movies, especially my
favorite bad movie I Frankenstein. Where boy, is that a
remarkably bad one? I love like, that's a fun one.
That's a fun bad I got one of my one
of my biggest Twitter pops everr was after I walked
(33:45):
out of that and tweeted that it was the best
movie ever written by an Evanescence album in the Sega Genesis,
and it's still one of my top ranking tweets. It's
a good one. I didn't know why people cared about that.
It was a fun one. And also that was like
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the kind of peaceful cinematic experience where like there was
never anyone else in the theater to experience. I Frankenstein
felt very personal. Oh my God, like that movie, and
they thought that they you know, they thought that they
were like launching a franch franchise because they left it
(34:26):
open beds, like who you know, Frankenstein Frankenstein. They Frankenstein Frankenstein.
But Bill Knight in that movie? Anyways? Is is the
fancy man who that wonderful thing? Like Christopher Walking and
(34:47):
Jeelie do they are they aware that they're in a movie?
Did they just walk in there, like say something British
and he's like all right, and then I like say
something science e and then he does that and then
he just steals a b just food from craft services
and goes home like that's the kind of anyways. By
the way, I'm pretty sure it's the fancy guy. I'm
pretty sure you hold the record for number of references
(35:10):
anyone who has made ever. I wait, when you said
I feel bad, I say it like when everyone's like,
oh yeah, Christopher Walking and Jeli when you were evasive
about your wheelhouse, did you mean it was Jelie? I
think it might be only the films of Martin Brest
are really speak to me. Titanic and is what your wheelhouse? Man? Yeah?
(35:35):
I have to unsubscribe from HBO now because I told
myself I would do it when The Little Lives was over.
But unfortunately, I do want to watch the Jinks again,
the whole thing, the whole thing. I've seen it nine times,
but it's time to see it ten times. I gotta
crossover in a double days baby anyway, Well, oh yeah,
(36:00):
in I just want to keep harping that. I just
love how persistent she is, because like everyone keeps feeling like, no, Ripley,
shut up, We're gonna stay this life, and she's just like, no,
you're putting us all in danger. Yeah, she doesn't doubt herself.
That's pretty impressive. Also impressive was how white the white
areas of the ship were constantly given, how dirty and
(36:23):
nasty the rest of the ship was, and that there
was no cleaning crew, the janitorial situation there. I would
have loved, I really. I tweeted about this morning. I
got so many actualise from dudes. I was like, I'm
taking this down fine, because I was like, it's too pristine.
This and Discovery one from two thousand one, just like
pristine and white spaceship interiors, and it's like, I don't know,
(36:47):
I mean, maybe I'm filthy, but I have white walls
and I gotta I gotta touch those up. From time
to time they turned to eggshell. And especially if you're
going from moon or into pods, there's no footprints, no
nothing coming on, and then the dirty parts are like
(37:08):
very dirty, gusting. Yeah, yeah, especially when yeah, there's I
mean there's distribute that there's a little bit blood spraying everywhere,
there's acid blood. Who's cleaning it? And which just eventually
you got enough jizz blood, enough acid blood, you know,
there's got to be acid jizz someplace. That's true, or
acid jazz pretty much the same. Did you know that
(37:32):
the genre of music in the Cantina in Star Wars
is called jizz jizz? Yeah? Really? Yeah? You know if
straight z that's that's smooth rocking jazz right there. Yeah,
Oh man, I want to that's a j jazz. I
want to play some some jizz, super intiz, super into
(37:52):
jiz music. Guys. Oh, that'd be great. Yeah. If if
someone asked you what you're like, they're like, what do
you listen to you? They're like, oh, we're gonna, we're
just we're just getting to it. Is it called jez?
And the way that like elevator music is called like
music is that Maybe I don't know, it's just it's
it's one of those like the world, sort of the
(38:13):
Star Wars world. I'm disappointing Aristotle so intensely because it
means so much more to him than thinking about double flaps.
So yeah, Ariostole is putting on his triggered hat right now. Yeah,
it's people who love Star Wars so much. They've just
created every Every question that could be asked about Star
Wars has been answered someplace and agreed in the Star
(38:36):
Wars universe. That's what that type of music is. Like.
No one there's never a scene where somebody's like, hey,
what are those fools playing in the corner and someone
else is like, don't you know that's jizz. It's just
something that you know if you if you google it though,
that's the answer you look at and I get it.
I gotta gotta ripley self assurance. I found very compelling
and good to why you know, it's it's it's great
(38:59):
to see it seem like character They that, but it
didn't make me it harder for me to relate to her.
I'm like, you know, because she's so good at her
job and so on it and knows the rules backwards
and forwards, but the I don't know, like and this
isn't even a criticism, but it's you know, I'm pretty
good at my job, but I feel like I only hesitate,
like there's so many, you know, points in any day
(39:20):
where you're just like, like like there was I don't know,
maybe I would have liked to maybe see like a
crack like in a character of any gender, though well
I think that it Also it's a little bit more
justified in the sequel, when she's already gone through all
of this and so she's she's not, she has more
even more reason to be like, no, I'm sure you
(39:41):
really got to me. This is gonna suck. But this
is her first rodeo in regards to a lot of
jizz music or oh no, not the music, the explosive
milk blood okay, yes, yeah, oh yeah. And this is
where again in the sequel, you know, when she's confronted
with Android, she's like, I hate you guys. No, I'm
(40:02):
not gonna you can't be on the chip. Um and
he's like, but I'm a nice one, and he does
and um, but also we do see his just his
blood too. But I think one of the weirdest scenes
in the movie that I was like, we don't need
this was the magazine rape. Yeah, I was very I
(40:24):
guess he was choking her. Yeah, but yeah, like you
got hands, man, if you got hands to if you
have hands to hold a rolled up magazine and try
to shove in a woman's mouth, you have hands to
wrap around her neck and choke her that way that
speaks volumes. Thank you, I did. You can put it
on a pin. It's going to be along with them,
it's two pins. Like, yeah, I found that to be
(40:46):
a very confusing way to try to like suffocate or kill.
I think that there was just a nut. They were like, oh,
we've gone a couple of minutes without rape imagery. What
can we do? Oh? I know, They're like, let's pay
tribute to the genre and traditionally you can't break too
many brriers because yeah, it wouldn't suffocate her. You can
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still because it's a rolled up magazine's I mean it hurt,
it would be uncomfortable. Also, were her arms pinned down?
Why was she not? I think she she was. I
feels like an easy thing to fight off. Easily then
when everybody comes in and yeah, yeah, yeah Parker. So
I don't know if like robots have super strength or
(41:28):
if they do, then again, choke her. That's so much.
But I mean, like how we're advocating for it's just
a very cooker. It's like handy, this happens in every episode,
and it's like them cos like really Scott or whoever
made this choice was like challenging themselves to like, what's
(41:50):
a more creative way, what's more out of the box
way to get a rape on the screen, Like we've
already had the face hugger. Jeez, what's next? I guess yeah,
this magazine thing. Now, let's talk about the part where
John Hurt. A man gets essentially impregnated by an alien
species and then essentially gives birth to it. Beautiful, beautiful
(42:14):
thing in any man's life. It's just a natural, partial time.
I gotta say, as someone who is terrified at the
just very idea of childbirth, I really enjoyed having to
see a man sort of go through with it. You see,
that's like, now you know that pain. It seemed less
(42:36):
painful to me the idea of actual childbirth because it
came through his chest, not as nanny or as cuckoo
and dying not having to raise that would have been fun, though.
He was like, sorry, guys, I gotta go. I got
somebody to take care of. No, yeah, I don't know.
(43:00):
I mean, there's so many just like sources of horror
in this movie that don't come just from like this
big alien attacking people, which is one of the ian
It's the nies and the cuckoos, right, that's where all
the Christmas, where all the terror comes, I mean, And
it really that bummed me out because I was like, oh, no,
(43:21):
our pussies like intrinsically terrifying, because like when they looked
into when they went into the it was an alien
ship they went into right when they when they leave
their ship. I think that they did, yeah, because there's
like the there's the space Jackie there and it's it
looks terrifying. And I was like, if they had walked
into a thing that was like full of broken glass
(43:42):
and like swords and sticks all point, it would have
been more physically dangerous, but it would not be as terrifying.
It wouldn't cause as much like terror and uncomfortableity as
this thing that's like looks like pussies. Right, they're walking
into two huge vaginas and then the walls are all
you know, with the production design is very higd, very spooky.
(44:03):
Giger is a real weird though. He's a real for sure.
That must have been they were like, we gotta make
this movie. Oh you know who's a perv? We should
call up there us? But yeah, and so I was
because like, like you know how humans are like hardwired
to hate snakes, and the in any language will get attention.
(44:27):
And with most animals too. If you're having trouble with
your cat and you're like get off the counter and
he just won't listen, try throwing us at him, they
really don't like it. Yeah, because it sounds like a snake.
And everything that is evolved. This is what I have
read that everything that's evolved now that is currently an
existing species. We're the ones who have not been murdered
(44:48):
by snakes, um, among other things other predators. But snakes
are the ones that they're just all over the place.
They they're they're they're trying to get everybody. So we
are hard wired to dislike snakes. So the way they move,
you can't figure out how they how they moved, except
for like neighborhood we weed dealers who love snakes. Yeah,
but even that, I feel like those people are like
(45:10):
doing it to test themselves. Like, yeah, I don't, I'm
not even because you know their one has a pet
snake and doesn't tell everyone about it. But in the
same way, I was like, oh, no, are we hardwired
to be grossed out by pussies? Um, coming from someone
who does not find pussies sexually attractive, I'm not sure.
(45:33):
I'm not grossed out by them, even though they are disgusting.
Dicks are much grosser, though, I think, well, yeah, I
mean we had some gross dicks in there too, I
mean their heads. That's like, come on, take a second pass.
That's just so obvious. Well, it's like double dicks, Like
(45:54):
it's like Aristotle is double flaps. The scene where after
the face hugger alien has like dislodged itself from John
Hurt's face and comed all into his throat and it's dead.
It's dead, and they're like kind of poking and prodding
and it to be like it's like stop, I can't
right now, I just down, give me, just need a
(46:20):
few minutes. I mean it's very vaginal slash volvic. I'm
going to bring that word into just it's not a word.
Is that a bot? I was like, can I stick
poke that word into my life? So I don't forget it.
I often say whenever people say vagina, what they mean
to say is vulva. It's like saying throat when you
(46:44):
mean neck exactly, or throat when you mean face or mouth.
There's nothing I don't anyway. Vulvic is a new word.
That is, it is a thing now. So you're welcome, everybody.
The end, Okay, kayle and I loved that story. Thank you. Hey.
Does anyone have any like final thoughts about the movie?
(47:07):
If you haven't seen it yet, we ruined. Yeah, it's
ruined for you, um, but you should see it. If
you're a fan of Group, if you're a fan of
Sigourney Weaver or a fine looking Tom Scarrett really look
at that hot history teacher. Yeah, if you're a fan
of deceptive fancy men. And I mean if it's a
(47:29):
fun I mean it's a fun movie. As a person
that's not that into the genre, I enjoyed this movie. Okay,
I want to say that, I dude, enjoy very much
that the last three remain like surviving characters are two
women and a black guy because all the other four
white dudes they're like, bye, you know, yeah, wasn't Hubris?
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Who knows? But they did? They got dead, they did.
They got their diet very did. That's all that matters.
As long as they get diad cool. Hey does the
movie pass the Bechdel Test? I say yes. With flying colors?
With flying colors, yeah, I mean there's a there's no
question about whether or not it passes, because I do
(48:12):
agree that it does. There's a couple of different scenes
were Ripley and Lambert talk to each other, but mother,
what did you throw? Mother? There? That's where I'm talking
flying colure because she's never like, Mother, how's Dallas? I
worried about his feelings? She's like, shut this down? What
are we doing? Well? There's sometimes I feel like I'm
(48:33):
never gonna start dating mother. I know it's going to
make a weird period joke. Something's happening to my past,
can you uh? Yeah. There's a scene towards the beginning
whenever they have woken up and they're like, where are
we even? Ripley is like, that's not our system. That's
(48:54):
not that we're not in the right solar system or
that's that's the first clue things are wrong. And then
Lambert is like, I know that, So that's a conversation
do iman are talking about? Not a man? And then
later on the other part that I noted where it
passes the test is when it's after Dallas dies and
(49:15):
Ripley's like, we're just gonna proceed with Dallas's plan. We're
going to try to trap this alien in like the
air events, get the alien where we can't see it
and there has access to the entire ship. It's a
great plan, perfect And then Lambert's like, and end up
dead like the others, you're out of your mind. And
Repy's like, you got a better idea. And then she's like, yeah,
(49:36):
that's abandon the ship. And everyone's like, so that's a
like un conversation. But like, there may be other scenes
where it passes the test, but those are the only
two that I really nobody up on two. But I
also wrote down Mother. I don't know if I'm willing
to count Mother. It was it wasn't. First of all,
(49:58):
it was named, which is part of this, So it
wasn't just like computer, and they decided to gender it.
They could have called it X five seven And in
two thousand one it's how do you think? How? And
mother they fuck in time In SpongeBob's Carrepants, it's Karen
oh Flankton's computer wife. Cool. So anyways, I'm more of
(50:21):
a cartoon person. There's a there's a computer friend in
um that movie Moon as well, that Kevin Spacey the
boys computer. To forget what his name is, though, I
just remember that the landing pod that he's waiting for
is Eliza. So through the whole movie, they're like, Eliza
is a lot closer, and I'm like, stop to get there,
(50:42):
and you keep saying it cool. Yes, the movie passes
the Bechtel tests. We are now going to rate the
movie on our nipple scale. So we have a scale
that is zero to five nipples. We read it based
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on it. Who is that? That's not right? It? Okay,
I don't know what you're talking about. This is a
great scale to be rating a movie on, and I
feel like you should never have nipples and fives that's
not the number that they should ever come in. It's
(51:24):
like a pegleg of nipples. So Nates. You just got
one and then the other one is Wooden. Kay, all right,
yeah it's not the same, but it gets the job done.
So it's like it's like three and a half women
three Yeah, yeah, I give it three and a half women.
Yeah is that your real? Okay? Cool? Wait, assuming that
(51:47):
women have two nipples each, so wait, that's like seven nipples.
Wait one to three, four, five, three and a half
times two? Said two and a half? Oh oh sorry,
I think it's a three and a half. Did I
say I will never know? There's no way to go
for us, you know? Yeah, half women? I like, I
(52:08):
will say that this most recent viewing, and some of them,
I feel like this is a movie. This is so
gross as a movie. Gussie on the big screen. I
got to see you on the big screen, and I
tried to watch this during the day in my apartment
flooded with light, so it waited for night. Yeah. I'm
giving it an idealized five. I'm gonna maybe don't give
(52:30):
it a half. I'm going to walk out, but I'm
going to give it a whole number. Okay, and it is.
I think I'm going to give it a four based
on its portrayal of the women in it. Um. I
do think Ripley is a total badass. I like that
she is very persistent and she's intuitive. She knows I
(52:54):
mean maybe it's women's intuition. Is that even a thing?
I don't know, do I have any I don't make
a mistake. She's just smart, right, she's smart. She's good
at her job, and she is persistent, and I really
enjoy seeing that on screen. She sort of Elizabeth Warren type,
is what she never said. Oh yeah, right, I don't
(53:14):
know how quotes were. Yeah, if I had any like
complaints about it, I guess I don't know. I just
I was like maybe helping to see the relationship with
the other female character to be like a little less hostile.
But that's not really who really is. So I'm just
like nitpicking here. I think it maybe deserves a five nipple.
(53:35):
I'm not sure. Get back to me. I'll tell you
in a month. Okay, I'll give it. I'm gonna give
it for But they're all they're all sliced down the middle.
Oh no likes just no crusts. Well there shouldn't be
crust on them either. I mean, I don't I just
(53:56):
I supports crusty nipple. I just I wanted to need
a bucket? Where how is this four of them? And
then you just what's the name of the production designer
who who also production podcast put a little crest in
(54:17):
there if that's his favous call for he has a
four because, um, I like the genderless aspect to all
of the characters, but that means that we don't really
get a lot of perspective on gender in the way
that a five nipple movie usually Well maybe maybe the
(54:38):
perspective is it gets to be defined by the individual,
right maybe, yeah, maybe this movie, just to be clear,
it is raising the roof right now. Yeah, I mean
maybe one day we'll all live in a society where
our gender doesn't even need to be recognized. Probably not
(55:00):
though probably No, No, it's the We're like four or
five months away from a handmaids Tale. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
I've not seen that, but I did recently see A
Night's Tale, so I think I'm caught up the same thing.
I think they have seen the Hulu one, But I
highly recommend the book terrific very much. Upset you right now.
(55:21):
It feels like a not too far away dystopian future.
What am I going to recommend this week? I'm gonna
recommend season two of Golden Girls and The Jinks preferably.
Do you like the back to back to back to
back to back? Yes? This? Well? I okay, I have
a Jinks viewing planned with my friend this weekend and
(55:42):
it's the best way to watch the Jinks is the
Jinks with no bathroom breaks. Oh right, So do you
guys talk during it at all? Or is there no speaking? Oh,
it's more like screaming. Okay, if you scream at the
same time, do you ever, Um, well, I've never watched
it with this person before. I was about into a
very long explanation of like, well, sometimes you know if
(56:05):
it's someone you've watched it with before. And I work
with a bunch of British people because of the Late
Late show, and then also this s been off show
that I worked on. The British people like employing other
British people. But there's a lot of that kind of
stuff about American culture. They don't know Jinks. Yeah. Oh interesting,
So I lied a lot about the different things that
you could get done with the chains. That's great, yep,
(56:27):
I love I love a good like slow Burn white
lie that'll embarrass them like months in the future. And
I got him the showrunner on the show, very nice guy,
but he got him so nervous about what phrases were
actually not used here. He would be like, m well,
I'm going to go get a mug of coffee. Do
(56:49):
you say that? Do you say muggy here? What is
that a bit of coffee? Wait? I just thought something
else about the movie that I have to say. It
takes longer for the alien fetus to like just j
in John Hurt's chest than it does for the baby
to reach adulthood. That that's why you know, that's a
(57:09):
precious life you can want us inside. I mean, life
begins hug face, hug whenever a weird alien species comes
into your throat and plants a baby in your chest.
It's just what mommy told you, right, Yeah, oh man,
this is ripe dirty talk too. Yeah. Yeah, next time
(57:32):
you're with the with the fella, tell me want to
make them plant his alien seed in your guts, in
your face hug me. I shudder to think how many
different disturbing way as a man could interpret that sence. Um,
he's hung me. Also, um like they since it sounds
(57:56):
like you guys are kind of new to hr gagor
this is like kind of the first time you here,
uh the mark of a real creepy dorm room. A
Geiger poster? Interesting? What other movies has he done? It's
not a movie like you could if you google him,
you'll find like lots of concept art m and uh.
Like when I was in school, at least they would
have those poster affairs for all the kids to go
(58:19):
and decorate their post or less rooms. And there's always
a bunch of Gaiger stuff. Every poster in a college
room is the morning Horn. Yes for these sticky robots.
It's just a bunch of sticky robots. My college roommate
had a cardboard cutout of major pain and our room
(58:43):
for a full year and then I never asked her
how she got it. But eventually it started next to
her bed, which I didn't like. But then it started
to inch out into the room, which I really didn't like,
and then at some point I was like, I like it.
You want me over, Eliza, Thanks a ton for being here,
Thank you, thanks a that for having me. Where can
(59:04):
people find you on the internet. They can find me
on Twitter at Addie Eliza Skinner or on Instagram at
at the Skins. Shouldn't shouldn't have done that, should have
made it all the same thing, but it didn't. And
they can listen to my podcast, Angry Little Goats. That's right. Hey,
what's making you a happy little goat today? Oh? Wow? Today,
I don't have to answer. I mean, I recommend The
(59:25):
Handmaiden's Tale, but I feel like I've done that a lot. Actually,
I really want to go watch all of the Alien
movies now because also the the new one coming out.
I'm very excited for hoping it will be a redemption
from the awful that I have not seen. Alien three.
Oh that's the one with the was it Charles has Dotte.
I'm not sure it's the um it's the one where
(59:48):
she's in like like space jail, just a shaver head,
bald bald women rule. The bald women rule. Yeah, that's
the rule. I think at that point she's a clone
because they start cloning Ripley, I believe, keep starting in
the third movie, because she's been the first suited to
funk up all these aliens exactly. Sigourney Weaver Kanna's Women
(01:00:10):
in Stem for this one I think so. Yes, yeah,
I think she's a science officer. Yeah, hell yeah, she's
a stem head. I thought of another bald woman woman movie,
which is I love I love it. This theory actually works.
I don't know if it works. Are in charge? It's
just large, it's what who is? What about Empire records?
(01:00:33):
Does that ruin it? Oh? You know what? I have
not seen that movie in so long that I don't
remember what they look like. I recently tweeted about loving
dramatic haircuts and movies, and so all these people were
like sending me head shaving scenes and I was like, well,
I didn't mean that. I meant grab your hair scissors, slink.
That's like, yeah, I like that. Mulan gets her haircut
(01:00:54):
with a fucking sword. Yeah. But the movie I was
thinking of it was a V for Vendetta y. Yeah. Yeah, yeah,
gets a head shaven. But is she in charge? She's
kind of in charge of her own life, so she's
maybe argue that she's an authority figure. I mean, she's
not the authority figure. And she's didn't work for Brittany. No,
I leave Brittany alone. There's okay. I still think it's
(01:01:16):
a triumph that she survived that year. I oh god,
I think she's great. I'm going to Vegas for the
first time next month and I and I'm like, I
really want to go see Brittany. I really do know.
I understand it. I did you did? Did you enjoy it? Oh? No,
it's not a great She's also tired. Yeah, And that's
(01:01:38):
when you feel like like you're like, oh, you didn't
have to do this for me, Brittany, I'm sorry, I'm
sorry I had to make you. And also when they
line up her songs like that, like one after another,
you realize that it's like it spells out like um
like cut out newspaper letter style, like a huge cry
for help. It's just like the songs are basically all
like I'm a sexy baby, and no when this since
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to me or knows what I want or feel like,
how long has it been since Brittany has actually felt
that way like a sexy baby? Like I said, oh, well,
I feel like she still does feel like a sexy Yeah.
I feel like she's like the message of all of
her songs are basically like you just you just want
to suck me. That's it. I might still go see it. Yeah,
and I don't want to tell you not to take
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pictures with her costumes. But also you do know that
Mine Freak is there too. Oh ship, I'm only there
for three days, I would say, what's I am? Mine Freak?
I was recently considering going there just to like line
up a bunch of magic shows and just go see
(01:02:42):
a bunch of magic shows. Dude, I am that kind
of dark. Would love to see Mine Freak. I used
to love that show. I used to I don't know why,
but Mine Freak was my free was miship and I
used to love the Jamie Kennedy experiment. So I were
finding out about your whale house. It's garbage. Never wheelhouse
(01:03:03):
fucking sucks. I like how this episode has become like
the last half hour of Lord of the Rings Return
of the King, where every time you think it's over,
sorry we keep going. No, I've had so much fun.
Keep you again, Eliza for being here. It's wonderful time
ghost seeing the new alien movie. Uh it might be good,
(01:03:23):
all right bye
On the dol Cast. The questions asked if movies have
women and um are all their discussions just boyfriends and
husbands or do they have individualism? The patriarchy ze and
best start changing it with the Beck del Cast. Hi,
welcome to the Backdel Cast. My name is Jamie, my
name is Caitlin, and this is our podcast about how
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women are portrayed in movies. Yeah, it's the Beck Dol
Cast is ah and so today my first time talking
to anybody today. So that's Oh, I don't know how
to string a sense together. I only talked to So.
I talked to someone at the DMV today. He was
very nice. His name was Arnold, and he's like, why
(00:44):
don't you have a driver's license? And I was like, honestly,
it's a really long story and and he was like, Okay,
don't worry about it's mine. So we're very close. Now good. Yeah.
Last time I was at the d m V, I
cried in public because I failed the written test do
you have to take like in California. I had to
switch over my Massachusetts license and I had to retake
(01:06):
the written test, which I did not pass because they
asked me questions were not relevant to me at all.
They're like, how do you strap in a car seat
or something like that, and I was like, I ain't
never having kids? Was that not an option? That was
not an option that was that did not let me
choose that, That was not like, f ain't never having kids? Unbelievable.
(01:29):
The system is ringed. It really is. Yeah, away to
arn all that window for the Glendale d MV. He
saw my birth certificate today, which is good. It's amazing.
I still have it because I've been passing it around
a stand up stuff recently, just to like why. I
don't know, but I don't know. People enjoy it though? Cool? Yeah, Hey,
(01:50):
should we talk about movies? I don't know. Okay, all right,
let's talk about movies. As we mentioned, this is a
podcast about the portrayal of female characters in movies. Whoops,
A lot of movies don't do it very well. We're
gonna call it out. But this movie actually does well.
We'll talk about it. But we're here with a guest,
(02:14):
and let's introduce her again. I'm very bad at talking today.
I I wish I was drunk. Okay, where is the
Mike's hard? Where is it? Anyway? Our guests here with
us today. She's a very funny stand up comic. She
is a writer on The Late Late Show with James Cordon,
and she has her own podcast called Angry Little Goats,
(02:35):
which she co hosts with Will Weldon, who you might
remember from our Mad Max Fury Road episode Friend of
the Cast, Friend of the episode we got all that
hate mail about, Yeah, we did from all those steam punks,
and now we have a new friend of the cast.
Our guest, Ali is this skinner. Thanks for being here,
Thank you for having me. Yeah kind of? Did you
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really get hate mail? When Will came on? We well,
it was specifically about It wasn't as much as we
would love to blame him for it. Uh No, I
think I was the target of posts of the vitriol. Well,
because we did uh Mad Max Herey Road was the
episode we did with Will and I, I guess called
(03:17):
out the steampunk culture a little too hard. I guess
I was a little too tough on the steampunks. And
apparently the steampunks are listening to the podcast because hello steampunk. Hey,
shout out to all of all you dirty steampunks out there.
We still got we still have beef. I think that
maybe steampunk suit that's the only okay prejudice to have
(03:41):
versus steampunks. I think it's I don't even know if
it's that much of a real thing. Like I worked
on the show When to preach into the cho where
we were like, hey, we need to find steampunk people
like as far as like a lifestyle thing, and nobody. No,
we couldn't find anybody. We found. We ended up finding
one lady who when she showed up, She's like, oh no,
this isn't my life. If I just have this outfit
and get paid to wear it for parties. Sometimes I'm like, oh, well,
(04:04):
there are festivals. I got a group onto a steampunk
festival once because I just wanted to face my fears.
Did you go? Yeah? I went? Was it super fun?
It wasn't. It was upset everyone. There were just gears
and and suede vests. It was disgusting. Made me sick. Well, hey,
the movie we're talking about, I think has no trace
(04:26):
of steampunk culture. Culture in this one for that base culture.
The a lot of space culture. Because the movie we're
talking about is Alien yea from nineteen seventy nine, directed
by Ridley Scott Eliza. Yes, When did you first see
this movie? What's your history with it? Gosh, I don't know.
(04:47):
I must have probably seen it for the first time
in high school. I remember when Aliens came out because
they're the cover of Mad Magazine was like one of
the first Mad magazines I had. They did a parody
of it, and I didn't understand at all, but I
was like fascinated. So then when I was older, I
(05:07):
saw that. So you saw Aliens before Aliens? Yes? Um?
And uh so yeah. I must have been in high
school when I finally saw Alien. Got you? What about you,
Jamie Yesterday? Nice? Really? Yeah? Wow? As do you like
sci fi? Um? I don't even know that. I like
movies very much. I like I like cartoons and television,
(05:31):
but I and true crime. So did you know? What
did you know about it going into it? Um? I
knew that I had to keep reminding myself that it
was not Aliens, which I watched the first ten minutes
of before realizing I should be watching Alien. Shoot that
spoiled so much stuff for you? Yeah, I mean it did.
But also, I you know, sci fi is like not
(05:53):
my area of extreme interest, so I was sort of
going into this one, like, all right, we're gonna through this.
We're going to get through this, Jamie, It's going to
be fine. I got some Jack in the box. I
honkered down and watched the first ten minutes of Aliens,
and then all of the like why is Bill Paxton?
And this I Oh my God, and then I and
then I wanted to watch Big Love, but it wasn't
(06:15):
an option. Time was of the essence well, like yeah,
because one of the interesting things I think about Alien
is uh that initially watching it, audiences didn't know who
the protagonist was going to be, right, Yeah, So it
sorts so kind of unfolds and an interesting way the
the the evolution of each character. I had enough peripheral
(06:36):
knowledge of like sigurity, we like, I knew who was
the focus. But other than that, I was just like,
it takes place in space, and there's a movie that
is frustratingly sounds exactly like it that I will get
confused with. But it's space working class. It's true. Yes, yeah,
they're like what type of or we don't know. I'm
(07:01):
not important space or moon or I saw the movie,
I think probably in college for the first time, and
I think I saw Aliens like right after it too,
But that's are the only two I've seen. I have
not I'll be honest, I prefer Aliens. I think I
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do too. I think the Alien is the better movie
and certainly better acted, because my goodness, does Bill Paxton
give an insane performance in Aliens. But I don't talk
about this, I will flip out, I know. I mean,
he's enjoyable to watch. He's given some pretty cheesy dialogue
(07:43):
and his acting is extremely over the top, which I
think is perfectly appropriate. From Time and Twister. He's awful,
but yeah, he's He's capable of performances that ranged from
bad to good. Yep, that's all right, But yeah, I
(08:03):
think Aliens is definitely more my speed of like an
action guns and stuff. Again, I'm very good with words today,
but they're they're creeping around. Yeah, it's honestly, I did
not ever really draw this parallel until the recent rewatch
of Aliens. But it is quite similar to Jurassic Park,
and it's in terms of it's like story structure at
(08:25):
least um, which is one of my favorite movies ever.
So I was like, oh man, this is basically just
like Jurassic Park. But with aliens instead of dinosaurs. Anyway, Jamie,
did did you like the movie? Did you like Alien?
I did. I enjoyed it as much as I could
enjoy a sci fi movie, Like I know, like it's
it's definitely not my wheelhouse, but I I you know,
it's like, once you get into it, you're like, Okay,
(08:46):
there's gonna be a creature. It's gonna be covered in goop.
We're gonna we're gonna beat the creature up more goop.
So I was ready for creatures and goop, So dread it.
What is your whalehouse? If that's not my wheelhouse? Is
kind of all over at the board. I like old.
I mean most of the movies I like are older,
which we don't usually cover here. Mid century older Like yeah,
(09:09):
like forties and fifties is much better. Female characters back then,
uh some complex? Yeah, A lot of times. I think
they let them be. They at least have personalities, even
when therefore, you know, confined to the house. Um. I
love sci fi, but I have a real bias against
(09:29):
boy stories. Um stories that are just like all about
dudes from a male point of fel Like, I really
it's not I don't look at them and then judge them.
I just honestly cannot connect with them. But I love
sci fi, and so I've found a lot of um
sci fi that kind of works around that for me,
especially books. You've probably even like my love of sci
(09:51):
fi books kind of brought me into well, it's time
for the Caitlin Rique. Caitlin Rique. This story revolves around
a crew on a spacecraft called the Stroma and they
have just come back from mining the Moon or or whatever.
(10:11):
They're woken up from there like hyper sleep because there's
a distress signal or something like that coming from a planet.
They're like, oh man, we gotta go check it out.
And it's a crew of seven people. There's Dallas played
by Tom Scarrett. He's the captain. Then we've got Brett,
which is Harry Dean Stanton Kine's played by John hurt
Ash is Ian Holme. Parker is yaw Fit Kdo. Then
(10:35):
we've got ripley Okay, Silgournia Weaver, and then Lambert which
is Veronica cart right, and don't forget Jones e the
cat anyway, introducing m Jones as himself. You know that
apparently that it was originally all male characters. M it
(10:58):
doesn't surprise me one it Yeah, it was written, um
all supposedly written gender neutral, but that means men they're
with the mast man. And I've heard one of the
drafts of it was done by Walter Hill, who did
for forty eight hours another forty hours in Streets of
Fire and a bunch of stuff. Um and he just
change he has writing partner, changed those two characters and
(11:20):
two women, but then didn't change any of the other dialogue,
which I think is son and yeah, like a smart
thing to be taken away from that. I mean Amy
Pohler at one point and Knows famously quoted as saying
someone was like, they don't know how to write for women.
She like, just write a man and then give it
a woman's name. Just write a person, because guess what
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women are? People? Whoa what crazy? Crazy? That's interesting, I mean,
And that checks out with Ripley's character. Is there's not
I don't know there's she's not put upon as a
like that's not central to the plot, which I thought
was kind of refreshing, Like it is very like cold
(12:01):
and unlikable. Yeah, would you never get to see I mean,
or if you do it's like extremely demonized, and that's
very rarely. You know, the central character, which is nice. Yeah,
because people love bad boys, bad boy, people love seven
seasons of a prestige bad boy. But we never get
(12:21):
we never get even ninety minutes of a bad girl. Yeah. Yeah,
back to the very good recap. It's okay. We encourage tangents.
That's what this podcast is all about. So they're on
a ship and they're awoken because there's like a weird
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distress signal of some sort coming from a planet. So
they go to check it out and a few of
the guys are like, oh man, what's this weird alien
ship it's on this planet. And John Hurt is like,
oh man, there's some weird pods. Better go look inside one.
And then a weird hand a lien is what I
would like to describe it as, or attaches itself to
(13:04):
John Hurt's face face hugger ugger, that's what we call
him Facebook. And they're like, oh jeez, John, let's get
you back to the ship. And Ripley he goes straight
through his helmet. Yeah, and the face is a very
intimate face. One of the well, I mean those and
the pods are like the beginning of the the overt
(13:27):
sexual imagery, like really really gross. Oh yeah, there's because
pussies are gross. Uh. They're like, we gotta get John
back on the ship and Ripley is like, oh, that's
kind of like breaking protocol. He's got to go through quarantine.
(13:47):
She's straight up as like, no way, that's that's against protocol.
That's not happening. No, and it all like everything would
have been fine if they just listen to her. But
everybody's like what a count Yikes, rules were made to
be broken. So we all had killed by alien. Be
cool about it? Rip, Yeah, totally. So they've they let
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him with the face hugged John hurt onto the spacecraft
and he's in a comma and they're like how do
we get this thing off? And they try to cut
it off and then it bleeds acid and they're like,
oh funk man, that's crazy. And then all of a
sudden he's alive and well again, so like well this
is fine, and then he gives birth through his chest.
(14:31):
Basically yeah, there's a lot of birth and oh yeah, yeah,
there's just dicks lots of birth. The when the face
huggers on him, you know, like so like what's happening
is he's impregnated. Yeah, it's impregnant. So he's like basically
shoving his face hugger dick down his throat kind And
one of the things I find kind of funny about
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it is after it dies, like after it falls off,
and it's just like dead, and I'm like, dude, I
get it, like New City right at this point, just like,
don't even touch me. I just want to be a
dead spider thing. I already juiced down your throat. So
that's it for me. Speaking of jizz slick transition, Ian
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holme ak ash Ak the cyborg robot spoil full of jizz. Yeah,
he's got jizz blood, man, the worst kind of blood. Yeah,
there's no will and I actually talked about it on
the podcast a few weeks ago that we're like, what's
the worst kind of sci fi blood? We're both like
milk blood, but it's really jizz blood. Yeah, it's the worst,
(15:38):
totally covered with Yeah, I just get to head skipping.
Take a few screenshots there. Yeah, yeah, just for you know,
I feel like that's the kind of screenshot get you
to send him like a like like a sexy right
i'd be like, oh wow, me after seeing roast, I'm
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just covered in scoop. Spiritually speaking, yeah, of course. So
John hurts like man, things are great, and then he
an alien burst out of his chest, killing him, and
then the aliens like all right, he I'm gonna go
hide over here now. So like, oh, show, we gotta
go catch this thing, and the crew starts looking for it,
(16:20):
and somehow, in a span of it seems like a
few hours, Yeah, come here, it grows to adulthood, and
I don't know, a day or something. It's crazy so
fast it feels like a day. But I feel like
they don't place enough, like you know, like coming of
age nostalgia and in regards to how quickly they really
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don't want to aliens journey was adulthood? Where was? I
never realized until you just said that that that was
the same alien. I was just like, suddenly, there's all
these aliens on the ship, Like I didn't get that
it was the same one who grew up. I'm dumb.
I mean, they don't. It's it's confusing because it's literally
(17:04):
a baby fetus alien basically. And then in the next
scene you see it, which is pre probably a few
hours later you have gotten like a few like like
some like screeching, growing pain sort of moments of it.
I feel like that would have a call like like
like a shadowy like or like found some some some
leftover skins. Well, Harry de San does do that, like yeah,
(17:27):
but and I was probably like it's all the aliens.
That's like a sci fi horror trope that I like
when when creatures are growing and then you see like
their their shoulder blade like pop out and and they
shed and there's more goop. I think that that's my
generalization of the genre, just with the pussy goop. Yeah,
(17:48):
pussy give it a little dick goup to. Yeah, well,
the full size alien is a dick with a pussy
with is Oh wait is this for children? I think,
uh no, yes, we have an audience that reaches like
ages seven to twelve, so we're gonna have to a
(18:08):
is a nanny with a cuckoo. And I have never
heard any of those words to describe any genitalia. I'm
having fun. I was like, oh no, am I missing?
But they sounded right right, They sounded good, Okay, they
that sounded like a fun way to to tell a child.
What's to call her? Dick? Hey, nanny nanni and that's
a cuckoo? Wait which one's which nanny is? I think
(18:30):
a nanny's a dick? And see I was saying the
other man, okay, we could do lit r. I was
thinking cuckoo because like I was thinking of a woodpecker.
Yeah maybe it was. I don't know, yeah either, right,
know what? Anything could be? Anything? So the crew goes
off looking for this alien and they basically get killed
(18:52):
one by one and then Ripley's like, all right, well,
I guess I gotta fix everything, and then she escapes
into the show old but a little surprise and the
aliens there and she's like, well fuck you then and
she blows out into space and the end so only
she and Jones you the cat survived, except do you
know the original ending? The original ending wasting? She makes
(19:17):
her final like, um a little statement in the log
the original ending is that the same statement, But then
the camera reveals that the voice is coming out of
the aliens, mad that she is dead and the alien
is the only one who's living. And somehow the alien
knows how to talk like people, which is it's the
(19:38):
goofiest thing, but yeah, and the studio was like, hmmm,
that seems goofy, let's not do that. And also it's
a bummer so I would have I feel like if
Sigourney Weaver's character was a man, I wouldn't mind that ending.
Three Well, yeah, I mean it which or bother me
less because that's still like a hokey and of like
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the alien it learned to speak English, which actually is
kind of inspiring, and it's grew that fast. It should
have a few degrees by the end of the thing. Fact,
the alien should have a pH scene. I mean, it's
not a good time to mention my master's degree in screenwriting.
I don't like to bring it up, but you guys
were the ones who mentioned it, so I think I
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did definitely do not mention my manager for that comment. Okay,
we would disagree anyway. Also, the chest burster scene, Um,
I can't be the alien person in the world who
experienced seeing Spaceballs before seeing this. I also, yeah, so
when it happened to Spaceballs, I didn't understand it, but
(20:43):
I was like hilarious, and my mom was like, well,
it's from this movie, and I was like, don't spoil it.
I'm loving it. Yeah. I definitely saw Spaceballs along before
I saw Alien and did not really get the reference.
But now that I've seen Alien, oh, that seems even
more hilarious. There is another like spoofy parody movie that
(21:04):
you may be familiar with, hot Shots and Hot Shots
Part Do. Hot Shots Part Do is one of my
favorite movies ever, and it part Do Part Do and
it parodies a number of films that I had not
seen when I was but I still thought it was
the funniest movie ever. I was like, man, this is hilarious,
and then I but I didn't understand any of the references.
(21:26):
Cool story, Caitlin. So this is basically a movie about Ripley,
like the strong female character being like, hey, you guys,
you're dumb. We should we should do this thing. That's
the right choice. And everyone's like no, it's like that's
really unlikable and it's unattractive, and she's like, oh, but
(21:48):
it's the right thing to do, and they're like, we
don't like you and you're never going to have your
own TV show. And then I'm like, no, wait, this
is about her, not me making it away too personally. Um,
I mean, can we presume that the reason that the
rest of the crew is always like, no, Ripley, We're
doing it our way. Who cares about standard procedure. Can
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we presume that it's because she's a woman. Maybe, I
don't know. I don't think I don't think it's because
she's a woman, because it is like the compassionate choice
when they do that there, it's never like should we
have cake or pie? It's like should we Yeah, And
so it's like I will say that I don't think
it's because she's a woman, And I think that's part
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of the like future utopia they're trying to sell us,
where it's like, look, there's all kinds of different ages
of people and races of people, and they all work
to get in genders of people and they get respected
just as like whatever. Yeah, I mean, it's not super
surprising to hear that the characters were sort of written
with the intention of being not genderless, but um could
(22:53):
be a man or a woman just because yeah, Sigourney
Waver being a woman does not seem to factor in
that much in the way that she's treated. I think
that like what's most interesting about her character that wouldn't
be interesting per se if she was a man. Was
was the coldness and like the clinical like by the
(23:14):
book attitude that. Yeah, I mean that would be a
character as a man, but it wouldn't be unusual. Yeah,
she's straight up on Michael Well. And they literally don't
have her save the cat until the end. You must
understand that with your degree. And again when I think
it must have been so cool to see it and
not know anything about it and just be like, who's
(23:35):
that bitch? And I guess it's about this Dallas guy.
He's the captain. I'm sure that's who this story is
all about. Or you know these these fun love and
engineer fellas her rapscallions. Um wait, so you guys find
her unlikable because I think they kind of like pain.
They do. But but she goes on a journey for sure.
(23:56):
But I don't know. I'm like, I was on board
with her from like minute one. I'm like, yeah, they
shouldn't bring this guy who's been attacked by this face
hugging alien creature. Yeah, it's probably gonna end poorly. Maybe
do I think this because what I what I know
of horror sci fi movie? Maybe? I mean, it's not
called ship with No Alien on it right, you know
(24:18):
when you're starting it, something's happened. But I really could
also be that I am an unapologetic rule follower because
I'm terrified of authority and I'm just like rules. I
love rules. I wish I didn't hate myself because I do.
I say f the rules. I like to buck authority.
(24:40):
I'm actually the same way. And I did find that
a way to kind of relate to her and respect her.
But I but you could also see the whole rest
of the crew was like in it for each other
and like looking out for each other, and she's the
one who's being the jerk. The way I saw that
dynamic was like she's the boss, and the boss does
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not break the rules, and all the I guess subordinates
as it were, are way more likely to break the rules.
But she's not even the boss, Like she's not the
captain and the ship or anything like that. She's not
even his first command. Until a few other people die
ashes like the science officer, I thought she and we
sort of like, yeah, I'm not entirely Yeah, I don't
(25:23):
really know what her role is because they're the ones
who she she's like the they bicker about it. Because
he clearly being who and what he is is like filled,
let's get him in the ship. Yeah, I want to see.
And then when when they bring him in and it's
the face hugger through the helmet is just like an
(25:44):
egg with a vagina in it. It's like the most there.
This is like scary. Yeah. Apparently the pods, you know,
the the eggy pod things that they find um and
they kind of like open with the four pedals. It
originally was just too it was just like yeah, and
(26:06):
again the network was like, um, that's too much. Yeah
there's yeah. They were like they said that they were
scared they wouldn't be able to show it then like
Catholic countries or so. Yeah, double the flaps, double the fun,
that's what I say. Yeah. Oh I got an audible
laugh from Aristotle. I got it. You earned it into
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Aristotle loves stubble flap. You guys gonna put that on
a T shirt And I'm suggesting you should put that
on the We're an enamel pin. Those are hip now
right Oh yeah, people love the pins. Yeah, buttle picture
of the egg the pod and a banner on it
that says Aristotle loves double And then just let the
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people interpret it as sure that was Geiger hr Geiger,
is that his name that does? Yes? Yes, yes, yeah.
We needed all the like creepy space sex design there
there seemed to be I mean, I don't know that,
but like the practical effects in this movie we're so cool,
especially for the era. Yeah, I mean even the scene
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where Ash's head is off and his body is like
flapping around, um and he's clearly just like there with
like the head flap kind of over him, but it
still looks kind of flawless. It's pretty cool. Yeah, because
there's I mean just a big mess these days. I
don't know that. It just looked really I the crap
out of it, and it would fake and it would
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be and the head would be floating. Uh. Yeah. The
only part where I was like, oh, this is kind
of dumb is like when the baby alien bursts out
of the chest and like you see it kind of
like scamper across the tape like that, like that it's
clearly like someone doing some puppet tree that's not very good,
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and you're like, cute baby, or even the look like
it burst out and it sort of looks at everyone
but a baby. Yeah, it's a very like not the mama,
are you my mama? And then uh or what's the
Alison beckdel book that I can never remember the name of?
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Are you my mother? Yeah? Okay, yeah, that's what it
says when it bursts out of are you my mother? Yeah.
I'm just I know that she's that Ripley is not
like a warm character. She's like very by the book
in terms of but and she does become like more
in the Director's Cat there's a scene where, um, man,
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what's the other woman's name, Lambie now, where she straight
up hits her when they come back in, just slaps
her across the jaw. Yeah. I made a note that, like,
it was kind of a bummer to see, like the
two women characters that there are in this movie be
kind of hostile to each other. But then I was like, wait,
Ripley's just stile towards everyone because she's almost always telling
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someone to funk off or screening at their face, and
it's justified. I think that, you know, women should these
female characters should be allowed to have to be a
full range. You don't always you're I also find it
a little um obnoxious when it's all like cat fighting.
But I didn't feel like that. No, no, I don't
think that's happening here. Yeah, that was just really like,
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if you want to be real technical about it, not
the only female character mother the ship, Mother the ship.
So I was really hoping Jones was a girl cat
so we could just have one more. Did they Did
they nail down with the kind of cat? No? I
guess not, but jon Z, maybe I just assumed based
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on the name that it was a boycat. But and
again in Aliens, the cat becomes a little girl. I mean,
it doesn't become a little girl, but like the same
trans figures and to a girl. Like same role as
Power one. The same role is done, but the plot
device is a little girl instead. Oh and then um,
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and then yeah, the Queen Bee is a lady, a lady,
she say, she calls mother a bit in this I
think she calls the alien a bit to get away
from your bit. YEA great line. Basically, I just like
how throughout the entire story, Ripley is given a bunch
of agency. She's making decisions that are usually not obeyed,
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but she's definitely playing an active, like a very active
role in the story. So we're used to seeing female
characters like, you know, I want to like, I'm just
gonna sit here and not really do anything. You can
stress about the decision, right, But she's just like, this
is what we're doing. Listen to me, this is what
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has to happen. No one does and they pay the
price for it. Yeah. So I just thought it was
super cool to see her being like, funck off, you guys,
listen to me, here's the right choice. Do what I say.
You're painting a picture of yourself, like Ripley is badass.
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I wanted to talk a little bit about Lambert because
of I read some background on her character, because I
guess that Veronica cart Right arrived on set believing she
was going to play Ripley and then they were like, actually, sorry,
bitch your Lambert, and she was not happy with it.
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And but particular took issue with the character of Lambert
and how Lambert is more fearful and expresses a lot
of the fear. And I guess the function of that
character or the way she was written was, you know,
she represents the audience and like what we're feeling. Um,
(31:53):
But I guess that Veronica cart Right took issue with
that of like, why does that have to be the
only female care trip besides Ripley Slash. What didn't no
one tell me? I'm definitely that's the big question. That's
actually what happened. Um, Because on the other hand, you
could make a case for it's very interesting to have
the audience to to expect the audience to relate to
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these two female characters in the most significant ways in
this sci fi alien movie. Instead, because yeah, I didn't
really feel any connection with anything that one except maybe
Ash because we're introduced to him mostly as the one
who's kind of pushing against Ripley. Everybody else was like
they seem like cool dudes. I also find it interesting
(32:37):
that it was it's a very classist kind of movie
that you. I mean, they kind of moved away from that.
But the whole beginning is then being like, you know,
how many shares do we get? Like clearly they were
willing to do whatever within reason just to get this payday.
There's no executives aboard, there's no like higher socio economic
class people in there. Um. The guy who comes across
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as though he is the one with the British accent,
who seems much fancier he's not a human, right, it's
not a person at all. I love the fancy British.
It's the best. They couldn't program him to have an
American accent on the design right there, Like he's he's fancy,
and that's the hint that you should have picked up
on the whole time, the only fancy one. Of course,
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he's an Andrews. They're an evil people, yes, the fancies. God,
that's like Bill Knight and so many movies, especially my
favorite bad movie I Frankenstein. Where boy, is that a
remarkably bad one? I love like, that's a fun one.
That's a fun bad I got one of my one
of my biggest Twitter pops everr was after I walked
(33:45):
out of that and tweeted that it was the best
movie ever written by an Evanescence album in the Sega Genesis,
and it's still one of my top ranking tweets. It's
a good one. I didn't know why people cared about that.
It was a fun one. And also that was like
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the kind of peaceful cinematic experience where like there was
never anyone else in the theater to experience. I Frankenstein
felt very personal. Oh my God, like that movie, and
they thought that they you know, they thought that they
were like launching a franch franchise because they left it
(34:26):
open beds, like who you know, Frankenstein Frankenstein. They Frankenstein Frankenstein.
But Bill Knight in that movie? Anyways? Is is the
fancy man who that wonderful thing? Like Christopher Walking and
(34:47):
Jeelie do they are they aware that they're in a movie?
Did they just walk in there, like say something British
and he's like all right, and then I like say
something science e and then he does that and then
he just steals a b just food from craft services
and goes home like that's the kind of anyways. By
the way, I'm pretty sure it's the fancy guy. I'm
pretty sure you hold the record for number of references
(35:10):
anyone who has made ever. I wait, when you said
I feel bad, I say it like when everyone's like,
oh yeah, Christopher Walking and Jeli when you were evasive
about your wheelhouse, did you mean it was Jelie? I
think it might be only the films of Martin Brest
are really speak to me. Titanic and is what your wheelhouse? Man? Yeah?
(35:35):
I have to unsubscribe from HBO now because I told
myself I would do it when The Little Lives was over.
But unfortunately, I do want to watch the Jinks again,
the whole thing, the whole thing. I've seen it nine times,
but it's time to see it ten times. I gotta
crossover in a double days baby anyway, Well, oh yeah,
(36:00):
in I just want to keep harping that. I just
love how persistent she is, because like everyone keeps feeling like, no, Ripley,
shut up, We're gonna stay this life, and she's just like, no,
you're putting us all in danger. Yeah, she doesn't doubt herself.
That's pretty impressive. Also impressive was how white the white
areas of the ship were constantly given, how dirty and
(36:23):
nasty the rest of the ship was, and that there
was no cleaning crew, the janitorial situation there. I would
have loved, I really. I tweeted about this morning. I
got so many actualise from dudes. I was like, I'm
taking this down fine, because I was like, it's too pristine.
This and Discovery one from two thousand one, just like
pristine and white spaceship interiors, and it's like, I don't know,
(36:47):
I mean, maybe I'm filthy, but I have white walls
and I gotta I gotta touch those up. From time
to time they turned to eggshell. And especially if you're
going from moon or into pods, there's no footprints, no
nothing coming on, and then the dirty parts are like
(37:08):
very dirty, gusting. Yeah, yeah, especially when yeah, there's I
mean there's distribute that there's a little bit blood spraying everywhere,
there's acid blood. Who's cleaning it? And which just eventually
you got enough jizz blood, enough acid blood, you know,
there's got to be acid jizz someplace. That's true, or
acid jazz pretty much the same. Did you know that
(37:32):
the genre of music in the Cantina in Star Wars
is called jizz jizz? Yeah? Really? Yeah? You know if
straight z that's that's smooth rocking jazz right there. Yeah,
Oh man, I want to that's a j jazz. I
want to play some some jizz, super intiz, super into
(37:52):
jiz music. Guys. Oh, that'd be great. Yeah. If if
someone asked you what you're like, they're like, what do
you listen to you? They're like, oh, we're gonna, we're
just we're just getting to it. Is it called jez?
And the way that like elevator music is called like
music is that Maybe I don't know, it's just it's
it's one of those like the world, sort of the
(38:13):
Star Wars world. I'm disappointing Aristotle so intensely because it
means so much more to him than thinking about double flaps.
So yeah, Ariostole is putting on his triggered hat right now. Yeah,
it's people who love Star Wars so much. They've just
created every Every question that could be asked about Star
Wars has been answered someplace and agreed in the Star
(38:36):
Wars universe. That's what that type of music is. Like.
No one there's never a scene where somebody's like, hey,
what are those fools playing in the corner and someone
else is like, don't you know that's jizz. It's just
something that you know if you if you google it though,
that's the answer you look at and I get it.
I gotta gotta ripley self assurance. I found very compelling
and good to why you know, it's it's it's great
(38:59):
to see it seem like character They that, but it
didn't make me it harder for me to relate to her.
I'm like, you know, because she's so good at her
job and so on it and knows the rules backwards
and forwards, but the I don't know, like and this
isn't even a criticism, but it's you know, I'm pretty
good at my job, but I feel like I only hesitate,
like there's so many, you know, points in any day
(39:20):
where you're just like, like like there was I don't know,
maybe I would have liked to maybe see like a
crack like in a character of any gender, though well
I think that it Also it's a little bit more
justified in the sequel, when she's already gone through all
of this and so she's she's not, she has more
even more reason to be like, no, I'm sure you
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really got to me. This is gonna suck. But this
is her first rodeo in regards to a lot of
jizz music or oh no, not the music, the explosive
milk blood okay, yes, yeah, oh yeah. And this is
where again in the sequel, you know, when she's confronted
with Android, she's like, I hate you guys. No, I'm
(40:02):
not gonna you can't be on the chip. Um and
he's like, but I'm a nice one, and he does
and um, but also we do see his just his
blood too. But I think one of the weirdest scenes
in the movie that I was like, we don't need
this was the magazine rape. Yeah, I was very I
(40:24):
guess he was choking her. Yeah, but yeah, like you
got hands, man, if you got hands to if you
have hands to hold a rolled up magazine and try
to shove in a woman's mouth, you have hands to
wrap around her neck and choke her that way that
speaks volumes. Thank you, I did. You can put it
on a pin. It's going to be along with them,
it's two pins. Like, yeah, I found that to be
(40:46):
a very confusing way to try to like suffocate or kill.
I think that there was just a nut. They were like, oh,
we've gone a couple of minutes without rape imagery. What
can we do? Oh? I know, They're like, let's pay
tribute to the genre and traditionally you can't break too
many brriers because yeah, it wouldn't suffocate her. You can
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still because it's a rolled up magazine's I mean it hurt,
it would be uncomfortable. Also, were her arms pinned down?
Why was she not? I think she she was. I
feels like an easy thing to fight off. Easily then
when everybody comes in and yeah, yeah, yeah Parker. So
I don't know if like robots have super strength or
(41:28):
if they do, then again, choke her. That's so much.
But I mean, like how we're advocating for it's just
a very cooker. It's like handy, this happens in every episode,
and it's like them cos like really Scott or whoever
made this choice was like challenging themselves to like, what's
(41:50):
a more creative way, what's more out of the box
way to get a rape on the screen, Like we've
already had the face hugger. Jeez, what's next? I guess yeah,
this magazine thing. Now, let's talk about the part where
John Hurt. A man gets essentially impregnated by an alien
species and then essentially gives birth to it. Beautiful, beautiful
(42:14):
thing in any man's life. It's just a natural, partial time.
I gotta say, as someone who is terrified at the
just very idea of childbirth, I really enjoyed having to
see a man sort of go through with it. You see,
that's like, now you know that pain. It seemed less
(42:36):
painful to me the idea of actual childbirth because it
came through his chest, not as nanny or as cuckoo
and dying not having to raise that would have been fun, though.
He was like, sorry, guys, I gotta go. I got
somebody to take care of. No, yeah, I don't know.
(43:00):
I mean, there's so many just like sources of horror
in this movie that don't come just from like this
big alien attacking people, which is one of the ian
It's the nies and the cuckoos, right, that's where all
the Christmas, where all the terror comes, I mean, And
it really that bummed me out because I was like, oh, no,
(43:21):
our pussies like intrinsically terrifying, because like when they looked
into when they went into the it was an alien
ship they went into right when they when they leave
their ship. I think that they did, yeah, because there's
like the there's the space Jackie there and it's it
looks terrifying. And I was like, if they had walked
into a thing that was like full of broken glass
(43:42):
and like swords and sticks all point, it would have
been more physically dangerous, but it would not be as terrifying.
It wouldn't cause as much like terror and uncomfortableity as
this thing that's like looks like pussies. Right, they're walking
into two huge vaginas and then the walls are all
you know, with the production design is very higd, very spooky.
(44:03):
Giger is a real weird though. He's a real for sure.
That must have been they were like, we gotta make
this movie. Oh you know who's a perv? We should
call up there us? But yeah, and so I was
because like, like you know how humans are like hardwired
to hate snakes, and the in any language will get attention.
(44:27):
And with most animals too. If you're having trouble with
your cat and you're like get off the counter and
he just won't listen, try throwing us at him, they
really don't like it. Yeah, because it sounds like a snake.
And everything that is evolved. This is what I have
read that everything that's evolved now that is currently an
existing species. We're the ones who have not been murdered
(44:48):
by snakes, um, among other things other predators. But snakes
are the ones that they're just all over the place.
They they're they're they're trying to get everybody. So we
are hard wired to dislike snakes. So the way they move,
you can't figure out how they how they moved, except
for like neighborhood we weed dealers who love snakes. Yeah,
but even that, I feel like those people are like
(45:10):
doing it to test themselves. Like, yeah, I don't, I'm
not even because you know their one has a pet
snake and doesn't tell everyone about it. But in the
same way, I was like, oh, no, are we hardwired
to be grossed out by pussies? Um, coming from someone
who does not find pussies sexually attractive, I'm not sure.
(45:33):
I'm not grossed out by them, even though they are disgusting.
Dicks are much grosser, though, I think, well, yeah, I
mean we had some gross dicks in there too, I
mean their heads. That's like, come on, take a second pass.
That's just so obvious. Well, it's like double dicks, Like
(45:54):
it's like Aristotle is double flaps. The scene where after
the face hugger alien has like dislodged itself from John
Hurt's face and comed all into his throat and it's dead.
It's dead, and they're like kind of poking and prodding
and it to be like it's like stop, I can't
right now, I just down, give me, just need a
(46:20):
few minutes. I mean it's very vaginal slash volvic. I'm
going to bring that word into just it's not a word.
Is that a bot? I was like, can I stick
poke that word into my life? So I don't forget it.
I often say whenever people say vagina, what they mean
to say is vulva. It's like saying throat when you
(46:44):
mean neck exactly, or throat when you mean face or mouth.
There's nothing I don't anyway. Vulvic is a new word.
That is, it is a thing now. So you're welcome, everybody.
The end, Okay, kayle and I loved that story. Thank you. Hey.
Does anyone have any like final thoughts about the movie?
(47:07):
If you haven't seen it yet, we ruined. Yeah, it's
ruined for you, um, but you should see it. If
you're a fan of Group, if you're a fan of
Sigourney Weaver or a fine looking Tom Scarrett really look
at that hot history teacher. Yeah, if you're a fan
of deceptive fancy men. And I mean if it's a
(47:29):
fun I mean it's a fun movie. As a person
that's not that into the genre, I enjoyed this movie. Okay,
I want to say that, I dude, enjoy very much
that the last three remain like surviving characters are two
women and a black guy because all the other four
white dudes they're like, bye, you know, yeah, wasn't Hubris?
(47:51):
Who knows? But they did? They got dead, they did.
They got their diet very did. That's all that matters.
As long as they get diad cool. Hey does the
movie pass the Bechdel Test? I say yes. With flying colors?
With flying colors, yeah, I mean there's a there's no
question about whether or not it passes, because I do
(48:12):
agree that it does. There's a couple of different scenes
were Ripley and Lambert talk to each other, but mother,
what did you throw? Mother? There? That's where I'm talking
flying colure because she's never like, Mother, how's Dallas? I
worried about his feelings? She's like, shut this down? What
are we doing? Well? There's sometimes I feel like I'm
(48:33):
never gonna start dating mother. I know it's going to
make a weird period joke. Something's happening to my past,
can you uh? Yeah. There's a scene towards the beginning
whenever they have woken up and they're like, where are
we even? Ripley is like, that's not our system. That's
(48:54):
not that we're not in the right solar system or
that's that's the first clue things are wrong. And then
Lambert is like, I know that, So that's a conversation
do iman are talking about? Not a man? And then
later on the other part that I noted where it
passes the test is when it's after Dallas dies and
(49:15):
Ripley's like, we're just gonna proceed with Dallas's plan. We're
going to try to trap this alien in like the
air events, get the alien where we can't see it
and there has access to the entire ship. It's a
great plan, perfect And then Lambert's like, and end up
dead like the others, you're out of your mind. And
Repy's like, you got a better idea. And then she's like, yeah,
(49:36):
that's abandon the ship. And everyone's like, so that's a
like un conversation. But like, there may be other scenes
where it passes the test, but those are the only
two that I really nobody up on two. But I
also wrote down Mother. I don't know if I'm willing
to count Mother. It was it wasn't. First of all,
(49:58):
it was named, which is part of this, So it
wasn't just like computer, and they decided to gender it.
They could have called it X five seven And in
two thousand one it's how do you think? How? And
mother they fuck in time In SpongeBob's Carrepants, it's Karen
oh Flankton's computer wife. Cool. So anyways, I'm more of
(50:21):
a cartoon person. There's a there's a computer friend in
um that movie Moon as well, that Kevin Spacey the
boys computer. To forget what his name is, though, I
just remember that the landing pod that he's waiting for
is Eliza. So through the whole movie, they're like, Eliza
is a lot closer, and I'm like, stop to get there,
(50:42):
and you keep saying it cool. Yes, the movie passes
the Bechtel tests. We are now going to rate the
movie on our nipple scale. So we have a scale
that is zero to five nipples. We read it based
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on it. Who is that? That's not right? It? Okay,
I don't know what you're talking about. This is a
great scale to be rating a movie on, and I
feel like you should never have nipples and fives that's
not the number that they should ever come in. It's
(51:24):
like a pegleg of nipples. So Nates. You just got
one and then the other one is Wooden. Kay, all right,
yeah it's not the same, but it gets the job done.
So it's like it's like three and a half women
three Yeah, yeah, I give it three and a half women.
Yeah is that your real? Okay? Cool? Wait, assuming that
(51:47):
women have two nipples each, so wait, that's like seven nipples.
Wait one to three, four, five, three and a half
times two? Said two and a half? Oh oh sorry,
I think it's a three and a half. Did I
say I will never know? There's no way to go
for us, you know? Yeah, half women? I like, I
(52:08):
will say that this most recent viewing, and some of them,
I feel like this is a movie. This is so
gross as a movie. Gussie on the big screen. I
got to see you on the big screen, and I
tried to watch this during the day in my apartment
flooded with light, so it waited for night. Yeah. I'm
giving it an idealized five. I'm gonna maybe don't give
(52:30):
it a half. I'm going to walk out, but I'm
going to give it a whole number. Okay, and it is.
I think I'm going to give it a four based
on its portrayal of the women in it. Um. I
do think Ripley is a total badass. I like that
she is very persistent and she's intuitive. She knows I
(52:54):
mean maybe it's women's intuition. Is that even a thing?
I don't know, do I have any I don't make
a mistake. She's just smart, right, she's smart. She's good
at her job, and she is persistent, and I really
enjoy seeing that on screen. She sort of Elizabeth Warren type,
is what she never said. Oh yeah, right, I don't
(53:14):
know how quotes were. Yeah, if I had any like
complaints about it, I guess I don't know. I just
I was like maybe helping to see the relationship with
the other female character to be like a little less hostile.
But that's not really who really is. So I'm just
like nitpicking here. I think it maybe deserves a five nipple.
(53:35):
I'm not sure. Get back to me. I'll tell you
in a month. Okay, I'll give it. I'm gonna give
it for But they're all they're all sliced down the middle.
Oh no likes just no crusts. Well there shouldn't be
crust on them either. I mean, I don't I just
(53:56):
I supports crusty nipple. I just I wanted to need
a bucket? Where how is this four of them? And
then you just what's the name of the production designer
who who also production podcast put a little crest in
(54:17):
there if that's his favous call for he has a
four because, um, I like the genderless aspect to all
of the characters, but that means that we don't really
get a lot of perspective on gender in the way
that a five nipple movie usually Well maybe maybe the
(54:38):
perspective is it gets to be defined by the individual,
right maybe, yeah, maybe this movie, just to be clear,
it is raising the roof right now. Yeah, I mean
maybe one day we'll all live in a society where
our gender doesn't even need to be recognized. Probably not
(55:00):
though probably No, No, it's the We're like four or
five months away from a handmaids Tale. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
I've not seen that, but I did recently see A
Night's Tale, so I think I'm caught up the same thing.
I think they have seen the Hulu one, But I
highly recommend the book terrific very much. Upset you right now.
(55:21):
It feels like a not too far away dystopian future.
What am I going to recommend this week? I'm gonna
recommend season two of Golden Girls and The Jinks preferably.
Do you like the back to back to back to
back to back? Yes? This? Well? I okay, I have
a Jinks viewing planned with my friend this weekend and
(55:42):
it's the best way to watch the Jinks is the
Jinks with no bathroom breaks. Oh right, So do you
guys talk during it at all? Or is there no speaking? Oh,
it's more like screaming. Okay, if you scream at the
same time, do you ever, Um, well, I've never watched
it with this person before. I was about into a
very long explanation of like, well, sometimes you know if
(56:05):
it's someone you've watched it with before. And I work
with a bunch of British people because of the Late
Late show, and then also this s been off show
that I worked on. The British people like employing other
British people. But there's a lot of that kind of
stuff about American culture. They don't know Jinks. Yeah. Oh interesting,
So I lied a lot about the different things that
you could get done with the chains. That's great, yep,
(56:27):
I love I love a good like slow Burn white
lie that'll embarrass them like months in the future. And
I got him the showrunner on the show, very nice guy,
but he got him so nervous about what phrases were
actually not used here. He would be like, m well,
I'm going to go get a mug of coffee. Do
(56:49):
you say that? Do you say muggy here? What is
that a bit of coffee? Wait? I just thought something
else about the movie that I have to say. It
takes longer for the alien fetus to like just j
in John Hurt's chest than it does for the baby
to reach adulthood. That that's why you know, that's a
(57:09):
precious life you can want us inside. I mean, life
begins hug face, hug whenever a weird alien species comes
into your throat and plants a baby in your chest.
It's just what mommy told you, right, Yeah, oh man,
this is ripe dirty talk too. Yeah. Yeah, next time
(57:32):
you're with the with the fella, tell me want to
make them plant his alien seed in your guts, in
your face hug me. I shudder to think how many
different disturbing way as a man could interpret that sence. Um,
he's hung me. Also, um like they since it sounds
(57:56):
like you guys are kind of new to hr gagor
this is like kind of the first time you here,
uh the mark of a real creepy dorm room. A
Geiger poster? Interesting? What other movies has he done? It's
not a movie like you could if you google him,
you'll find like lots of concept art m and uh.
Like when I was in school, at least they would
have those poster affairs for all the kids to go
(58:19):
and decorate their post or less rooms. And there's always
a bunch of Gaiger stuff. Every poster in a college
room is the morning Horn. Yes for these sticky robots.
It's just a bunch of sticky robots. My college roommate
had a cardboard cutout of major pain and our room
(58:43):
for a full year and then I never asked her
how she got it. But eventually it started next to
her bed, which I didn't like. But then it started
to inch out into the room, which I really didn't like,
and then at some point I was like, I like it.
You want me over, Eliza, Thanks a ton for being here,
Thank you, thanks a that for having me. Where can
(59:04):
people find you on the internet. They can find me
on Twitter at Addie Eliza Skinner or on Instagram at
at the Skins. Shouldn't shouldn't have done that, should have
made it all the same thing, but it didn't. And
they can listen to my podcast, Angry Little Goats. That's right. Hey,
what's making you a happy little goat today? Oh? Wow? Today,
I don't have to answer. I mean, I recommend The
(59:25):
Handmaiden's Tale, but I feel like I've done that a lot. Actually,
I really want to go watch all of the Alien
movies now because also the the new one coming out.
I'm very excited for hoping it will be a redemption
from the awful that I have not seen. Alien three.
Oh that's the one with the was it Charles has Dotte.
I'm not sure it's the um it's the one where
(59:48):
she's in like like space jail, just a shaver head,
bald bald women rule. The bald women rule. Yeah, that's
the rule. I think at that point she's a clone
because they start cloning Ripley, I believe, keep starting in
the third movie, because she's been the first suited to
funk up all these aliens exactly. Sigourney Weaver Kanna's Women
(01:00:10):
in Stem for this one I think so. Yes, yeah,
I think she's a science officer. Yeah, hell yeah, she's
a stem head. I thought of another bald woman woman movie,
which is I love I love it. This theory actually works.
I don't know if it works. Are in charge? It's
just large, it's what who is? What about Empire records?
(01:00:33):
Does that ruin it? Oh? You know what? I have
not seen that movie in so long that I don't
remember what they look like. I recently tweeted about loving
dramatic haircuts and movies, and so all these people were
like sending me head shaving scenes and I was like, well,
I didn't mean that. I meant grab your hair scissors, slink.
That's like, yeah, I like that. Mulan gets her haircut
(01:00:54):
with a fucking sword. Yeah. But the movie I was
thinking of it was a V for Vendetta y. Yeah. Yeah, yeah,
gets a head shaven. But is she in charge? She's
kind of in charge of her own life, so she's
maybe argue that she's an authority figure. I mean, she's
not the authority figure. And she's didn't work for Brittany. No,
I leave Brittany alone. There's okay. I still think it's
(01:01:16):
a triumph that she survived that year. I oh god,
I think she's great. I'm going to Vegas for the
first time next month and I and I'm like, I
really want to go see Brittany. I really do know.
I understand it. I did you did? Did you enjoy it? Oh? No,
it's not a great She's also tired. Yeah, And that's
(01:01:38):
when you feel like like you're like, oh, you didn't
have to do this for me, Brittany, I'm sorry, I'm
sorry I had to make you. And also when they
line up her songs like that, like one after another,
you realize that it's like it spells out like um
like cut out newspaper letter style, like a huge cry
for help. It's just like the songs are basically all
like I'm a sexy baby, and no when this since
(01:02:00):
to me or knows what I want or feel like,
how long has it been since Brittany has actually felt
that way like a sexy baby? Like I said, oh, well,
I feel like she still does feel like a sexy Yeah.
I feel like she's like the message of all of
her songs are basically like you just you just want
to suck me. That's it. I might still go see it. Yeah,
and I don't want to tell you not to take
(01:02:21):
pictures with her costumes. But also you do know that
Mine Freak is there too. Oh ship, I'm only there
for three days, I would say, what's I am? Mine Freak?
I was recently considering going there just to like line
up a bunch of magic shows and just go see
(01:02:42):
a bunch of magic shows. Dude, I am that kind
of dark. Would love to see Mine Freak. I used
to love that show. I used to I don't know why,
but Mine Freak was my free was miship and I
used to love the Jamie Kennedy experiment. So I were
finding out about your whale house. It's garbage. Never wheelhouse
(01:03:03):
fucking sucks. I like how this episode has become like
the last half hour of Lord of the Rings Return
of the King, where every time you think it's over,
sorry we keep going. No, I've had so much fun.
Keep you again, Eliza for being here. It's wonderful time
ghost seeing the new alien movie. Uh it might be good,
(01:03:23):
all right bye
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