April 1, 2022 • 50 mins
On this very special episode, Jamie and Caitlin discuss the very special AMC Theaters ad starring Nicole Nidman.
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to the Bechtel Cast. I don't know, I have no
idea what week this is going to be released, because
this is an evergreen episode. Obviously we've been getting I mean, well,
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we can't help you. I don't think we should even
say what the Bechtel test is in this episode. Honestly,
it's not necessary and as we have always said, you know,
it's just a starting off point for discussion and certain
pieces of art transcend correct conventional media metrics. This is
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this is more of a vibes based episode. It's um
it's sound that you can feel. And we've been getting
requests for this for the I mean since truly the
second it dropped. We are It's like, when is there
going to be an intersectional feminist discussion of drumroll please?
The Nicole Kitman AMC commercial that shows right before the
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movie starts only at AMC theaters, and I'm pretty sure
only in America. There are a few countries in Europe
that I believe they've got it, have been exposed to this,
but yes, it is mostly a thing from the US,
so uh here, if you live in a country where
you haven't had the pleasure. I would hope that they
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show it in Australia, where Nicole Kitman from, but I
don't really know. I don't know where AMC movie theaters
are and I don't care to know, but I will
say that I this has come up in conversations with
two of my Canadian friends this week. Okay, we've got
international friends. I've got a couple Canadian and you know what.
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And while we're at it, it's recently International Women's Day
and yeah, my friend Sarah is from Canada, so yeah, okay,
but but the thing is, um, most people who live
in Canada are like, what are you talking about. They're like,
I've seen the meme, I haven't experienced it, and you
really do need to experience that. We're gonna try to
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take you there today because I mean, obviously there's a
lot to unpack, but for for those who haven't heard
it before, we're just going to play the full audio
here so you can experience it for yourself. So the
commercial does also include video. Here's the audio. It's also
readily available on YouTube, so we'll also provide the YouTube
link if you can actually pause the episode and rent
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out a movie theater if there's not an AMC in
your area, just rent out a movie theater and play
this YouTube clip because you do have to kind of
see it in a theater. Yes, if that's not possible.
Here's the audio from the commercial that we will be
talking about today. We come to this place for magic.
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We come to AMC Theaters to love, to cry, to care,
because we need that, all of us. An indescribable feeling
we get when the lights begin to dip and we
go somewhere we've never been before, not just entertained it
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somehow informed together dazzling images on a huge silver screen,
sound that I can feel somehow. Heartbreak feels good in
a place like this. Our heroes feel like the best
part of us, and stories feel perfect and powerful because
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here they are. AMC Theats make movies. Okay, myself so
much to unpack. You've heard it, you've experienced it from
an audio standpoint. Sound. I could feel sound, You can
feel sound. I could feel. So let's get I mean, Caitlin,
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what's your history with the Nicole Kevin AMC commercial. Well,
I saw it for the first time at the end
of I believe it first premiered in September. Yes, I
think I saw it. It played in theaters right before
shan Chi. I believe that's when I first saw it. Exciting.
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I have seen it dozens of times since then, and
I would say, you love the movie. I love going
to the movies, and specifically AMC theaters. Because I do
not to brag or anything, have an AMC A List
stubs membership where you can see up to three movie
fees a week, all the fees waved, etcetera, etcetera. You're
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not going to believe this. I have that as well, Jamie. Yeah, yeah,
I saw I saw Syra No this week. Oh yeah, No,
I didn't see any together that were good. I went
with a friend of the show, Melissa Lozada Aliva. We
saw Syra Now and then we went to the cheesecake factory. Well,
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thanks for inviting me. Gee whiz, I'm I'm sorry. It's
a date. Honestly, can you see every You see most movies,
but you always see all the good movies. And my
AMC history is so embarrassing it's horrible. Okay, So you
saw you saw Nicole kivin AMC commercial before Hunch. Yes,
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and I've seen it dozens of times since, and I
would say it is my favorite ad for AMC Theaters
starring Nicole Kidman, favorite of all time. Yes, to quote,
my favorite eat from this year when Nicole Kidman was
nominated for being the Ricardos and not the AMC commercial
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that was not fighting for gay rights. And I can't
help but agree. I think it's, you know, it's extremely
obvious where the performance really was because Nicole Kidman. And
I think this has been kind of pointed out. And
I say this with love because she's obviously we know
she's she's a great actress. She's been in so many classics.
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She's in kind of a flop era right now. One
could say, I would make the argument, and I'm not
the only person saying this. Being the Ricardos couldn't get
through it. Don't really know anyone that could. That thing
on Hulu not good. I don't even know what you're
talking about. That thing on HBO that wasn't Big Little
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Lies with Hugh Grant. I did watch every episode, but
she was constantly a staged by her jackets in that show,
and they were fabulous jackets. But that's not you know,
she's just in kind of a bizarre phase of her career.
And then and then a performance like this and you're like, oh,
I mean she never left the Comeback of the Century.
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Just quick side note, I will say that I am compelled.
I have not seen the show on HBO. I am
compelled by it though, because it starts the two Villains
of the Two Paddington movies, so you really would think
that it was going to be better. I kind of
want to rewatch it because that show I don't even
remember what it was called, but it was like a
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Sunday night HBO show. I usually watch those, whether I
like them or not, because I don't know. I like Caitlin,
You're a Movie, Galt. I watched TV in real time
a lot of the time. It's called the Undoing. I wonder.
I feel like it aired like very much during Lockdown,
and it was like but it was like deep into Lockdown.
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It was all so airing during the election, so I
was just like, I know that everyone was like that
show was weird. It wasn't very good, but it happened
at such a chaotic time that I think is either
a little bit better than we were giving a credit for,
or my suspicion, much worse. So we'll never We'll never know.
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I don't care to watch it again. All that to say,
She's back, She's back. This is the greatest commercial I've
ever seen, So yeah, tell me about your history and
your relationship with AMC Theaters period we make movies better
period starring Nicole Kidman, So I am looking through my
AMC history. I believe the first time I would have
seen this would have been when I was seeing an
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eleven ten in the morning screening of Spencer, the Christen
Stewart Princess Diana movie, which I liked, and I had
heard about the commercial. I had not experienced the commercial,
and I was immediately hooked. I feel like it completely.
I feel it's a good movie to see it right
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before too, because Spencer is all about like just kind
of you're like, you're never quite sure what's going on.
You never you don't know who to trust, who to believe.
You're like, what is happening here? And that's the exact
feeling I get when I watched Nicole Kidman AMC commercial,
except I don't think it's supposed to feel that way,
but that's why it's beautiful. Where the first time I
saw the Nicole Kidman commercial bring the House Down, because
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we'll talk about the history of the commercial. I saw
it first Bring the House Down at a screening of
House of Gucci because Peanut butter and jelly of dissonant content. Um.
People were flipping for for the Nicole Kidman commercial because
there is kind of even though it's you know, not
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been around for very long. People didn't like it at first,
They're like, what is this? I hate it? I'm confused.
Nicole Kidman hasn't even been in a movie we that
has like premiered in theaters in like three years, so
why her of all people? She's been doing streaming stuff.
But then you know, there was this shift sometime in
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the late fall and it and it does coincide, and
this commercial was partially made to encourage people to go
back to the movies when it was safe and by
winter time, by like the holiday season movies. People were
in love with this commercial. They loved it to the
point where when they shortened the commercial, there was a
petition with thousands of signatures to make it a minute
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long again. And I have not experienced this myself yet,
but I've heard tell of when this commercial comes on
in theaters, many audience members will recite the monologue along
with I can confirm that. Okay, I have yet to
experience this. I did see The Batman last night. You
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said long but good, long, but good correct and reaction
that the audience had when Nicole Kinman's AMC commercial came
on at an AMC. They don't really need to be
advertising AMC when you're already at an AMC. But you're
already there, and there's always such a like love hate
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relationship with AMC because most people are there because they
have the most affordable membership. It's not because it's the
best movie theater. But you know, so people are kind
of at AMC under duress, but that's kind of part
of the fun exactly. So the commercial starts to play,
you only need to see it for like a few
frames before you know exactly what you're seeing. And the
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moment we see that puddle, oh my gosh, is it
rating in the commersional but I mean, just an explosion
of applause and cheers the moment it comes on screen,
and I get why, Like it's it's an incredible piece
of cinema. It has everything that I love about and
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it's truly does that commercial not make movies better? Because
I would say it does. It now makes me want
to go to we're recording this on Friday evening. It
kind of makes me want to go see The Batman
tonight because I just I've never seen this commercial in
like a packed theater calling out House of Gucci for
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maybe not packing the theaters as they thought they might.
I've seen it in half full theaters a couple of times,
but I have not seen, you know, like the way
that we used to see movies. This commercial is so special,
and I think we should I mean, should we get
into the recap. Yeah, yeah, let me recap it and
then we will go from there. Okay. So setting the scene,
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it is a cold, foggy night. It's not actively raining,
but it has just rained because there's a puddle. One
of the most iconic opening shots of all time, I
would say, is Nicole Kevin's heel landing directly in a puddle,
as if Nicole Kidman in her five thousand dollar shoes
would be stepping in up avoid a puddle. It seems
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so intentional that you're like, surely this is going to
come back later in the film. It does not. It
does not. So the whole purpose of this puddle is
so that we see the reflection of an AMC theater sign.
A foot comes into frame and steps into the puddle.
This foot is wearing a stiletto. We see the pant
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leg of a pinstriped suit. But these aren't just any
old pin stripes. They're shiny pin stripes. There. It's I
would say, it's like you would wear this like a
business casual New Year's Eve party? Yeah, would you wear
this to a movie theater alone? You know, that's that's
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out of my pay grade. I don't know you could.
I've seen it happen. I mean, I've seen it happen
with exactly one person, and it's Nicole Kidman in this commercial.
M hm, so yeah, so it has happened. It's been
famously done. So she so she walks into and it's,
of course it's an AMC movie theater. Yes, he's wearing
a jacket. At first, jacket goes away. Okay, yes, okay,
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So we cut two assuming they take it at the door,
which is not what happens at them. There is no
co check, so right, so then we cut to the
so we're still outside. We cut to the face of
the person in the pinstripe suit. It is Nicole Kidman
as herself. I think she's not playing a role. She's
not playing you know. The Explorer's daughter in Paddington One.
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She's not playing uh um whatever that her name is
from Mulan Rouge, certainly not. And other Nicole Kidman movies
that I can't think of off the top of my head.
She's not in um in Oh no, that one that's
about sex parties, eyes wide shot, it's not. That's how
I just described. Thank you forgetting that, and I'm canceled again.
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Great um yeah. And then you know other movies that
she's in that I don't remember, but it's Nicole Kidman
playing herself as far as we can tell. She pulls
down the hood of a beige coat that she's wearing.
She smiles at the AMC sign. She loves it there,
and it's not a super enthusiastic smile, but it's a
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smile of recognition, like I've been to this we come
to this place, which I think is what is being
said during this shot, correct, So she smiles, she steps
towards the theater, and then we're also getting voice over
from Nicole Kidman which says, we come to this place
for magic. We come to AMC theaters to laugh, to cry,
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to care. Then we see Nicole walking down a hallway
of this AMC. People have figured out this is like
a Los Angeles am C. I'm pretty sure I know
exactly where it is. Where is which one is it?
So it is one of the newest AMC's, at least
in the region. Because this was filmed on location. It
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is the AMC. You like to think they built a replica. Uh,
it is the AMC Porter Ranch nine, which is just
north of l A. We should definitely go. We should
definitely go. I also, how certain did you feel, even
though obviously she's an amazing actress, you feel like she's
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been there before. I would guess this is the first
time Nicole Kimn's been too an AMC. Absolutely yeah. I
don't think she's ever set foot inside of one before
they offered her, let's say, a million billion dollars to
step foot inside of a completely empty AMC theater one time.
I concur okay, but it's great. It's it's fluorescent lighting,
which you would think wouldn't be flattering, but it's Nicole
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Kidman and it kind of compliments the shiny nous of
of the pinstripe suit. I thought it brought out the
stripes absolutely us. So she's walking down the hall Her
coat is gone, so she apparently maybe she opened the
doors and just tossed it at the first working class
person she saw. Who knows she could have just dropped it.
I mean the movie there's empty, true, right, no one
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else is there. Okay, So she's walking down the hallway alone.
Cut to her in a screening room, walking up the
steps towards a seat. The screening room is completely empty.
But at this point we have now gotten a full
visual of the suit head to toe. We see the
whole thing and it looks good. It's good, it's a
good fit. It was tailored nicely, yes, and it's very shiny. Now,
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can can you clarify something for me? She doesn't have
the soda when she is walking down the hallway, or
does she? I do not believe she has the soda
At this point, the soda appears, soda magically appears, yes, okay,
I just checking. The coat magically disappears, the soda magically appears.
She's summoning and disappearing things like she's a wizard, like
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she's in practical magic or something. Yes, wow, that's another
movie she's in. She's really in a lot of movies. Caitlin.
I know she's had a hell of a career, tell
you what, She's in several movies, and now it's peaked.
It's peaked, and there's nowhere to go but downward. After
this AMC commercial exactly exactly, Okay, while we see these
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visuals of her walking to her seat and things like that,
we get more voice over, which says, because we need that,
all of us, that indescribable feeling we get when the
lights begin to dim and we go somewhere we've never
been before. Okay, Now things get kind of interesting because
now she's so she's in the theater, the theater, there's
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no one there, She's there alone. Right, Now, here's something interesting.
We don't know canonically what year this commercial takes place in.
It could take place as late as or as early
as seventeen eighteen. Does she watch a movie that comes
out after she watches Wonder Woman? She watches Jurassic World.
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So I didn't check the dates on these. So the
four movies that we see her watching clips of, presumably
trailers maybe who knows our Jurassic World, which I believe
came out in if you could fact check me, that
is correct. Okay, don't we see her watch a clip
of Wonder Woman which came seen I believe, Okay. The
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third one is La La Land. Okay, that might be
a wild card. That's twenty. I believe that's sixteen. Let
me check. I forgot she watches La La Land. That's sixteen, okay,
So so it could be as late as twenty seventeen.
And then the final one is Creed. Okay, Creed came out,
Creed came out in So this commercial, I would say,
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for some reason, takes place in in the winter of
or like the late fall or early winter of because
otherwise you would think and I don't know the vision.
And also I would say that one thing I found
very troubling about this is there's no credited writer on
this well commercial, well, not in the credits of the commercial,
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because commercials generally don't have credits. But there is a
famous Hollywood Oscar nominated screenwriter wrote the monologue for this,
Billy Ray. Really yes, okay, And I feel like you
can tell when a man is putting words in a
woman's mouth. That said, I think that you know I can.
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Is he not the screenwriter of what? Is he the
screenwriter of Hunger? Games. He wrote Terminator Dark Fate. He
wrote Captain Phillips, among others, that horrible movie Richard Jewel. Wow,
he had a rough year in You wrote Gemini Man, Terminator,
Dark Fate, and Richard Jewel yikes, hasn't written That's why
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he has to write Nicole Kidman's AMC monologues now. He
wrote Three Stinkies in a Row yikes. Oh, and he
wrote that show The Comy Rule That. No. I don't
know why I'm calling him out because this is the
greatest movie I've ever seen. Um So he actually we
thought that Billy Ray, a person I just learned existed.
We thought he was in his flop era. Due to
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Gemini Man, Terminator, Dark Fate and Richard Jewell back to
back to back. We thought Nicole Kidman was in her
flop era. I don't know why. I think the emphasis
went wrong. We thought she was in her flop era. Yes,
now I get it. Now, I understand. You know why
I hit the flop flop era flop Ira. But it
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turns out they just needed I do feel like there
is something beautiful. I mean, it's like, you know how
some people are really amazing in like the TikTok format.
You know, the TikTok formatt have you heard of that? Oh,
I'm I'm familiar. You know, like the the idea of
constraint often brings out you know, and the the economy
of words, the economy of time, you know, it really
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forces out greatness. Yeah, wow, Billy Ray, why did he
do that? Do you have more information? Well, sorry, let's
get there. I have some so I have some context.
And then yeah, we'll thank you so much. So we
we get this a little bit more of her voice over.
Then we see a movie projector fire up. She is
now standing in front of a seat, but she has
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yet to sit down. The projector screens a clip of
Jurassic World. It's screens a clip of Wonder Woman. The
voiceover kicks back in. She says, not just entertained, but
somehow reborn together dazzling images on a huge silver screen,
sound that I can feel. Then we cut back to
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her face. She has been watching these clips with awe.
I would say, Oh, I mean I think and there
is you know that Twitter account one perfect shot. There
is one perfect shot, and it's it's the one you're
thinking of where there's that just a halo of light
coming from behind Nicole Kidman's beautiful head from the movie
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Projector as she's watching I'm pretty sure the trailer for
wonder Woman. Yes, it's electric, And I think a lot
of us felt like that about the trailer for wonder
Woman in late where this commercial is set, and then
we watched it again about a year later, and we're like, no,
it was actually just okay, right, but we can't falter
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for that. This commercial takes place, you know, almost five
years ago. That's true, that's true. So she she's been
watching these clips with awe. She finally takes a seat.
Then we see the clip of La La Land and
then Creed voice overgoes and this is I believe, the
most iconic line. She says, somehow heartbreak feels good in
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a place like this, And can you clarify for me
what movie is playing? When she says that, Um, I
believe it's Creed? I think so. So I have a
fall up question. Have you seen Creed? I haven't seen Creed? Yes,
I have seen Creed? Does he lose? Is there heartbreak
in a movie like that? Honestly, I do not remember,
because I saw it when it first came out and
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I don't. My memory doesn't work. Okay, well you continue.
I'm just going to make sure because I the movies
that she's Oh, it's I'm just getting results for Creed
the band. Okay, I need to be more specific in
my search. I just was cure because for for such
an iconic line the movies selected, I don't think you're
particularly known for being heartbreaking. Right. And then, like a
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lot of what she's saying in her voiceover monologue does
not exactly match up with the images we're seeing on screen.
I would argue the most congruent match would be when
she says sound that I can feel and that I
believe it's playing over the clip of La La Land
and that's a musical, so maybe it's like so that
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makes sense they found it in the edit. Right. Also,
speaking of sound, let's talk about the score for a moment.
The musical score that has been playing throughout this entire
commercial is, I would say, a a very epic piece.
It's swelling, lots of swelling strings, piano. It's yeah, it's
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very It starts rather sparse, starts a little sparse, you know,
when for that we come to this place, you know,
it's just a few it's it's very quiet. But then yeah,
it rapidly crescendos once she's in that theater alone, Oh
my god. And I would say that, really the crescendo
comes with the arrival of the Soda who should have been,
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you know, the Best Supporting Actor nominee this year for sure,
because what is a good supporting actor do? But you know,
uplift the protagonist performance. Yeah, I haven't heard, I haven't
heard the Zoda cup say a peep martial came up,
and yet they're stealing scenes but also a generous scene partner.
I would say, does it pass the Bechdel test? When
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the cup of Soda appears magically beside Nicole Kidman and
admires her, admiring the movies she's watching on screen, thank
you for asking? Yes, okay, just just double checking. Okay,
so we're almost done. So her voice over, she says,
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somehow heartbreak feels good in a place like this. Our
heroes feel like the best part of us, and stories
feel perfect and powerful. Then we transition from Nicole's voiceover
to her directly addressing the camera. It's like Judy Dent
at the end of Cats is how I always think
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of that moment where you're like, wait, they know we're here.
There the cats know, And I was in the theater
the whole time, And that's how you feel when Nicole
stares down the barrel of Jeff cronin Worth's camera exactly,
and she says, because here they are. So she says,
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because here dot dot dot long pregnant pause, or I
might even call it ant pause. Oh yeah, heavy with
greg this pause because here dot dot dot gregnant pause
they are. And then we get text on the screen
that says and more voiceover that says, AMC theaters, we
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make movies better. Yes, fatal black. End of commercial. End
of movie. So let's take a quick break for an
ad that I really hope is AMC. I really hope
they start playing a drink podcast for some reason, but
I somehow doubt that it's going to be this exact
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AMC ad starring Nicole Kidman. Let's cross our fingers, but
it's probably not. But we'll come right back after to
this place at see you back in this place in
just a minute. Yes, and we're back. So I wasn't
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aware who wrote the script. That is fascinating. I didn't
know who directed that. They really so this this advertising
campaign cost and and listeners get ready for this million
American dollars is how much they spent on this ad campaign.
I cannot conceive. Most of it had to have gone
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to Nicole Kidman, right, Like, where did this is a
minute long commercial? Well? Okay, here's my guests, and I
am not sure, but an educated guess is that the
budget for the actual production of this commercial would not
have been that high. And as with most budgets for ads,
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a lot of the money goes to buying ad space
as far as the actual production goes. You know, for
this it was only one location. They probably only needed
one day for the shoot. And yeah, the biggest expense
for the production was probably Nicole Kidman's rate. Right, And
they have you know, jeff Crownaworth and Tim Cronaworth. You know,
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very famous Hollywood folks, are they? They are like in
terms of I'm sure they make a lot of money
because Jeffrey Cronaworth is like David Fincher's go to cinematographer.
He done, he did Fight Club, Social Network, Girl with
the dragon tattoo, Gone Girl. He's also like cinematographer nepotism.
His dad did Blade Runner. He's kind of an interesting guy,
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I see. And then also I think it's a brother
doo right. Jeff and Tim have collaborated on this, yes,
Like I think that they're just like a cinematographer team.
They also just worked together with Nicole Kidman on Being
the Ricardos was his last film, so he knows how
to frame this head he he knows all about it.
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And this is how this commercial came to be. So
I'm going to read an excerpt from an interview conducted
with Nicole Kidman by the Playlist about this about this
so it was mostly about Being the Ricardos and a
few of her other projects, The Flops, The Flops. But
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the final line of questioning in this interview goes as follows,
and I quote the interviewer says, and then my last
question for you is I know that you're not on
the internet, but do you know how beloved your AMC
theaters ad is? Nicole responds, Oh, the only reason I
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know is because Adam Aaron, the head of a MC,
sends me these tidbits saying, oh thank you, because Jeff
cronin WI shot it. He and his brother and he
shot Being the Ricardos and the reason he shot it
was because I was doing Lucy. And then I said, listen,
I've been asked to support a m C. Would you
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be willing? And he was like yeah. And then Billy Ray,
a friend of mine. I was like, Billy, would you
be able to do something? Write something for us? Should
we do this to support AMC? And Billy's like hell yes.
So that was how that all came about basically. And
then I was like, gosh, I mean, but I've never
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seen it in the theater or anything, because she's never
been to an AMC. Right, I showed up to a show,
a screening of Lucy of Being the Ricardos, and Adam
was there. But Adams kind of a rock star. He's
very popular. The interviewer says, he's very popular with the
blockchain investors, and then Nicole respond right, not my forte.
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I just wanted to support a m C. But he's
a great guy, thinking out of the box and defying
the odds. Go Adam. The interviewer says, well, I don't
know if you know this, but people love the line. Somehow,
heartbreak feels good in a place like this so much
that they have printed it on T shirts. Nicole Kidman,
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are you kidding? Interviewer, Oh, no, it's real. Ask your publicist,
she can send you stuff. It's a thing. The publicist says,
people have printed it out and handed it out in
a theater so they could read it with you before
a movie. That is true. I've I've I've seen I've
seen the tweets. Yes, Nicole Kidman says, what. Interviewer says, yes,
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it's a thing. Nicole Kidman says no. Interviewers says yes.
Nicole Kidman says what, And then the interviewer says, and
in fact, people were very upset because it was originally
a minute long, and then they shortened it down to
thirty seconds and they cut that line out. Fans were
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going to see Spider Man No Way Home, and they
wanted to see it beforehand, and they were upset that
line was missing. And Nicole Kinman says, but it's a
great line, right. Interviewer says yes. Nicole says, it's so true.
How true is it too? In? The interviewer says it is,
and then Nicole says, I mean talk about not feeling
alone sitting in a cinema with a broken heart and
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then watching something that breaks your heart again and you go,
I'm not alone. Please, this must not go away. We
have to have cinema. Nicole has no idea what's going
on here, and that is a part of the r
I think she's going method. I think she's doing whatever
Joaquin Phoenix thought he was doing fifteen years ago. Nicole
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Kibben's doing right now. Uh, this is her I'm not there.
She's pretending to that. That's so funny because Nicole Kibbin,
I feel like, correct me if I'm wrong, listeners, but
I fee it is kind of inherently camped to not
understand when you're doing something camp be the like that.
She's like, yeah, because we love the movies and because
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and heartbreak does feel good in a place like this.
It's like, well, Nicole, that's not necessarily why we're cheering,
but heartbreak does feel good in a place like that.
She's not wrong. So that brings up a few things
for me. I'm curious how you feel about that because
this episode is coming out I think maybe right after
Women's History Month, and I just think it's interesting. You know,
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it's it's we love a strong female protagonist, and Nicole
Kibben in this In this piece in particular, I think
one of her strongest performances in a leading role. Absolutely. However,
behind the camera, you know, I think that it's it's interesting,
it's and I would say that this isn't a good
example of women's supporting women because she she she called
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three white guys one one white guy and his brother.
I think it's very funny that they keep referring to
this guy, Tim, who doesn't have a Wikipedia page, Bless
his soul. He's just called Jeff's brother, and I'm sure
that bothers him. And then she calls, how does she
know Billy Wright? Did he write a movie that she
was in. I'm trying to figure out what the Billy
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Ray Nicole Kidman connection is. Let me see if I
can figure this out. I would have looked, Nicole, you
had an opportunity here and you handed it to a
bunch of men. And I just think that's interesting. Was
she in the Hunger Games? Who's in? I know? So? Okay,
Elizabeth Banks is the blonde adults in that movie. Never Mind,
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I don't quite know how they know each other. Maybe
they're just friends, that's Hollywood, Baby, I want to know
who the costume designer was on this commercial, because again,
this suit deserves a lot of our attention, and like
how many how many different? Like what was the process there?
I also really liked that that interview you just shared.
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You can tell it's the best day of that interviewer's
life talking to her about this. But if there were
questions that I feel like I didn't have answered, you know,
and like how long is she going to be willing
to It almost makes me want her to win for
being the Ricardos so she can give us more information
on stage in her Oscar acceptance speech. Yeah. Yeah, I
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mean she she if there's any justice in the world,
she won't win because that movie is so bad that
it's kind of shocking. But I just wonder, yeah, because
it's like I wonder how many outfits she tried on
did she bring? I feel like sometimes when people are
super famous, they're like, I'm just gonna bring my own clothes.
I could see it being that it seemed like it
was an intimate production. Yeah, is this something she already owns?
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We don't know. I mean, it certainly fits. I mean
when the pinstripe suit fits. That's the famous quote. Right
then you have to shoot an AMC commercial and there
can't be other people. I wonder, and I also wonder,
you know, like why are there no other people? Well,
this brings up this is an excellent question, Jamie, because
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it might be that she has, you know, anxiety about
being around people. People could be that, but it could
just be people in general. Because we're still in a
pandemic as as we discuss this commercial, and certainly as
this commercial premiered, and I think a lot of the
backlash that this commercial first received, in addition to everyone
(38:29):
just being like, what the fuck is this totally weird
and bizarrely written, which we later realized was that's wrong.
It's wrong because it's actually perfect, perfect, and it's the
tone we've been for years. The production design is unbeatable,
the cinematography is perfect, Everything about it is amazing. The
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writing is good. There's a lot of symbolism. Then the
symbolism is so that you don't really know, like what
they're trying to say, and in that way, it's lynch
in the the sudden disappearance of the beige coat symbolizes
the ending of the pandemic and the sudden emergence of
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this cup of soda symbolizes us returning to the life
we once knew pre COVID nineteen pandemic. That's my interpretation, right,
and that is why people getting to your point, why
people were kind of upset because the commercial came out
when we were not quite in that place, and because
obviously the pandemic is ongoing, but in particular, you know,
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in September that was still a very precarious time and
we did not know it then, but like the delta
variant unfortunately surged shortly after this commercial, uh first premiere,
and so the timing was not great. It seems like
the kind of commercial that's claiming that the pandemic is
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over in a way that I don't think would have
made quite as many waves had it premiered in early
two when cases went down significantly again after the sorry
I'm at the omicron variant, I didn't mean the delta variant.
Getting my variants mixed up horrible. It's okay, we forgive you.
(40:21):
But yes, the commercial premiered at a time where the
situation was precarious. Not to quote Titanic or anything. Ruth
talking about her precarious situation with Rose, of course, but
the situation the world is Rose with the Corsidan, and
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the commercial failed to address how the theater because obviously
the commercial is like urging people to return to the
cinema after you know, a year and a half of
watching movies at home. But it's like, hey, look, you
can go back to the movie theater, specifically AMC because
we make movies better. But the commercial will failed to
acknowledge how the theaters might be doing anything about safety
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precautions relating to the pandemic and all that stuff, so
that it seems to imply that the only way to
be safe is to be completely alone to buy out
the entire theater, which you can do at an AMC,
which is another cause for criticism of like, oh well
then that's a class issue. Oh you're not. You're not
going to keep it safe, which is what brings me
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to my honestly assumption that Nicole Kidman is uncomfortable around
poor people. I mean, I would tend to assume that
is also correct that said we don't want her. Uh,
she's she's an icon. Okay, let's get back on track. Um, yes, okay,
(41:50):
So is that do you have more context for this.
Thank you for taking the lead on context for this.
I'm learning so much, you know what, I'm happy to
do it. I think that was That was all I
could find in my extremely deep and thorough dive of
the production surrounding this commercial. And um, I don't have
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much else to say aside from this being my favorite
movie of all time except that. Did you notice how
Nicole Kidman's Australian accent is sometimes there but sometimes not? Well,
that's how else would you know Nicole Kidman's performing if
she couldn't quite decide whether she was going to use
(42:32):
her natural accent or not. It's like we've taught and okay,
icon we're not punching at Nicole Kidman. This is an
iconic performance that there's like every Nicole Kidman performance you're like,
oh there. It is like there's always like two scenes
where she she just she slips quote Titanic, and I
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slipped and I would have gotten overboarding Mr m he
hadn't saved me, almost gone over himself. So the boy's
a hero. Then okay, oh guys, it's April. You gotta
get over to the Matrion because it's that time again.
Did you see that listener and future guests in the
(43:15):
cast aomi Um tagged us in something called a Titanic
porn parody called by Tanic Did you see that? I
certainly did. I think maybe we should cover it. I
think we should cover it. There's another I think horror
movie coming out good Titanic six six six is maybe
the movie perfect with. The newest Amityville horror movie is
(43:39):
called Amityville Horror in Space and they still claim it's
based on a true story. Can you believe that? Okay?
So okay. I'm reading an article from Deadline about Titanic.
The official log line of the film is this, one
hundred and ten years after its namesakes Fateful Journey, the
(43:59):
Titanic Threes made in voyage will land at the original
site of the wreck. Although a faithful replica of the original,
this mammoth cruise ship. This is also way longer than
a logline btw, But what do I know? Although a
faithful replica of the original, this mammoth cruise ship is
built with the most advanced technology, ensuring that it has
(44:21):
no chance of sinking. But when the Titanic three arrives
at the tragic site, strange events begin to occur as
dark forces from the deep rise to the surface, terrorizing
all aboard and threatening to repeat one of history's greatest disasters. Wow,
I love it. I'll see it. Of course we'll see it.
(44:42):
Of course we'll see it. I'm looking. I'm currently looking
at somehow heartbreak feels good in a place like this
crop tops. Okay, So obviously we need to get matching
ones and wear them during every recording. And if if
things go as you're planning, Caitlin and I may be
(45:02):
dropping a special little, uh, you know, a little little
picture to go along with this episode if things go
to plan. If not, we'll cut it out of the episode.
But I think that you might be pretty thrilled by
the make sure we drop with this. So with that said,
I think that there's you know, I wish we had
more time to discuss this, but we have shockingly been
(45:25):
talking about this for almost an hour. So does this
AMC commercial spot pass the Bechtel test? Well, I'm going
to answer your question with another question, amazing, which is this? Okay,
does it pass the Bechtel test? When Nicole Kidman's diagetic
(45:46):
breaking the fourth Wall monologue responds to Nicole Kidman's non
diagetic voice over, Ah, that's a yes question because it's
obviously yes a so so the answer is yes, this
definitely passes. I would argue there's another way in which
it passes, because is it the soda cup clause it's
(46:09):
a it's a different one. So there's a wow. Okay,
So Nicole Kidman says, somehow heartbreak feels good in a
place like this. Stories feel perfect and powerful because here
they are. And then we the audience, which is comprised
of all genders, we respond and we say who Yes,
(46:31):
Nicole's exactly yes, and that truly is how people respond. Okay,
you know, I'm sold. I think that at this point
handily passes the backdul test. I had no doubt in
my mind. But I feel much I feel much much better. Yes.
So with that in mind, let's get to our nipple scale. Yes,
(46:52):
rating the movie based on how it fares from an
intersectional feminist lens on a scale of zero to five nipples.
What are you giving this commercial spot? No question about it,
five nipples, thank you across the board for everything. I
would say five nipples as well. Even though this star
is a a single white woman, talking to the world.
(47:14):
Who had the opportunity to hire anyone and did hire
three white guys. I think that there's no way around
it that this has five nipples. I would also say
there's not much diversity in the movies that she watches.
It's a lot of um entirely straight white people. But
we don't even see as far as who's represented from
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Jurassic World. It's just the gate. It's just the gate
to Jurassic World. So yeah, I think that they certainly
could have chosen a more diverse selection of movies. They
also could have chosen movies that came out in the
last five years, but for some reason they didn't. And
even so five nipples though, even so five and maybe
even six, and I'm giving them to this sounds like
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it's a MCS. I'm giving them all to the soda cup. Okay, cool,
I'm gonna give one to the beige coat that disappears.
I'm gonna give one to the puddle. I'm going to
give one to the soda cuddle icon, the puddle feminist.
Where's the T shirt feminist icon? The puddle? Okay, See,
I know, I know, I have a lot of work
to do. If I committed to making feminist icon the
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Puddle March, we would be millionaires and that's just a fact.
And then we could buy out the whole theater. So
my fourth nipple goes to the empty theater and my
fifth nipple goes to Nicole Kidman's shiny pin stripes. Yes,
this is a perfect piece of cinema. This is why
we go to the movies, so that we can see
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this before we see a movie. And when Melissa and
I love the theater, did we say the best part
of Sarano was Nicole Kibbin? Yeah, and Syo was okay? Actually,
although when we left, I'm curious what you think about
about it because Melissa was like Caitlin would hate that
so much. That was her first thought. You're talking about
Sera No, yes, not the commercial. I know you love
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it well, I would know if we had seen the
movie together as we were supposed to do, which we
did mention going together on a Matreon episode. See it again? Okay,
it again? Peter Dinkledge. I will see any movie with
Peter Dinkledge as many times as I saw the House
of Gucci three times. So yes, I will see Serran
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no twice. Good Okay, awesome, amazing, somehow heartbreak on a
podcast like this. Yes, we'll be April. I'm assuing. I mean,
I don't actually, I don't know when this is coming out.
I don't know what day it is. It's just a day.
It's a day. No big deal to day, no big deal.
We'll have a great week everyone. Now, I feel like
we really have um tackled our godfather basically, and um,
(49:54):
you know we're gonna we we are going to bravely
continue the show. But know that we just peaked. We
could be done, and I would feel perfectly good about
the work we've done here. I agree, So thank you
for listening. You can you know, follow us, do all
the stuff. Rate this episode five nipples on your listening platform, etcetera. Please,
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and um, you know, just be sure to go to
a MC theaters because they make movies better. And honestly,
if AMC doesn't give us advertising sponsorship after this, I'm
gonna I'm gonna stomp around in a puddle of I'm
gonna stomp around in a boddle. I'm gonna disappear some
beige coats because that's bullshit. Absolutely Yeah, all right, Well,
(50:38):
thanks for listening and uh. And now just imagine us
turning to the microphone and saying, because here they are,
bye bye bye
On the Bedel Cast, the questions asked if movies have
women in um, are all their discussions just boyfriends and
husbands or do they have individualism? The patriarchy ze and
best start changing it with the Bechdel Cast. We come
to the Bechtel Cast for magic. We come to the
Bechtel Cast to laugh, to cry, to care because we
(00:24):
need that, all of us. That indescribable feeling we get
when the theme song starts to play and we go
somewhere we've never been before, not just entertained, but somehow
reborn together dazzling voices of hosts Jamie Loftus and Caitlin
Darante sound that you can feel somehow. Heartbreak feels good
(00:52):
on a podcast like this. On a podcast like this,
our heroes Jamie and Caitlin feel like the best part
of us, and episodes feel perfect and powerful because here
they are the Bechtel Cast. We make podcasts better. Welcome
(01:16):
to the Bechtel Cast. I don't know, I have no
idea what week this is going to be released, because
this is an evergreen episode. Obviously we've been getting I mean, well,
so look, if this is your first time listening to
the Bucktel cast. Honestly, we can't help works. We can't actually,
(01:39):
we can't help you. I don't think we should even
say what the Bechtel test is in this episode. Honestly,
it's not necessary and as we have always said, you know,
it's just a starting off point for discussion and certain
pieces of art transcend correct conventional media metrics. This is
(01:59):
this is more of a vibes based episode. It's um
it's sound that you can feel. And we've been getting
requests for this for the I mean since truly the
second it dropped. We are It's like, when is there
going to be an intersectional feminist discussion of drumroll please?
The Nicole Kitman AMC commercial that shows right before the
(02:20):
movie starts only at AMC theaters, and I'm pretty sure
only in America. There are a few countries in Europe
that I believe they've got it, have been exposed to this,
but yes, it is mostly a thing from the US,
so uh here, if you live in a country where
you haven't had the pleasure. I would hope that they
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show it in Australia, where Nicole Kitman from, but I
don't really know. I don't know where AMC movie theaters
are and I don't care to know, but I will
say that I this has come up in conversations with
two of my Canadian friends this week. Okay, we've got
international friends. I've got a couple Canadian and you know what.
(03:05):
And while we're at it, it's recently International Women's Day
and yeah, my friend Sarah is from Canada, so yeah, okay,
but but the thing is, um, most people who live
in Canada are like, what are you talking about. They're like,
I've seen the meme, I haven't experienced it, and you
really do need to experience that. We're gonna try to
(03:27):
take you there today because I mean, obviously there's a
lot to unpack, but for for those who haven't heard
it before, we're just going to play the full audio
here so you can experience it for yourself. So the
commercial does also include video. Here's the audio. It's also
readily available on YouTube, so we'll also provide the YouTube
link if you can actually pause the episode and rent
(03:50):
out a movie theater if there's not an AMC in
your area, just rent out a movie theater and play
this YouTube clip because you do have to kind of
see it in a theater. Yes, if that's not possible.
Here's the audio from the commercial that we will be
talking about today. We come to this place for magic.
(04:14):
We come to AMC Theaters to love, to cry, to care,
because we need that, all of us. An indescribable feeling
we get when the lights begin to dip and we
go somewhere we've never been before, not just entertained it
(04:37):
somehow informed together dazzling images on a huge silver screen,
sound that I can feel somehow. Heartbreak feels good in
a place like this. Our heroes feel like the best
part of us, and stories feel perfect and powerful because
(04:59):
here they are. AMC Theats make movies. Okay, myself so
much to unpack. You've heard it, you've experienced it from
an audio standpoint. Sound. I could feel sound, You can
feel sound. I could feel. So let's get I mean, Caitlin,
(05:20):
what's your history with the Nicole Kevin AMC commercial. Well,
I saw it for the first time at the end
of I believe it first premiered in September. Yes, I
think I saw it. It played in theaters right before
shan Chi. I believe that's when I first saw it. Exciting.
(05:42):
I have seen it dozens of times since then, and
I would say, you love the movie. I love going
to the movies, and specifically AMC theaters. Because I do
not to brag or anything, have an AMC A List
stubs membership where you can see up to three movie
fees a week, all the fees waved, etcetera, etcetera. You're
(06:03):
not going to believe this. I have that as well, Jamie. Yeah, yeah,
I saw I saw Syra No this week. Oh yeah, No,
I didn't see any together that were good. I went
with a friend of the show, Melissa Lozada Aliva. We
saw Syra Now and then we went to the cheesecake factory. Well,
(06:25):
thanks for inviting me. Gee whiz, I'm I'm sorry. It's
a date. Honestly, can you see every You see most movies,
but you always see all the good movies. And my
AMC history is so embarrassing it's horrible. Okay, So you
saw you saw Nicole kivin AMC commercial before Hunch. Yes,
(06:47):
and I've seen it dozens of times since, and I
would say it is my favorite ad for AMC Theaters
starring Nicole Kidman, favorite of all time. Yes, to quote,
my favorite eat from this year when Nicole Kidman was
nominated for being the Ricardos and not the AMC commercial
(07:08):
that was not fighting for gay rights. And I can't
help but agree. I think it's, you know, it's extremely
obvious where the performance really was because Nicole Kidman. And
I think this has been kind of pointed out. And
I say this with love because she's obviously we know
she's she's a great actress. She's been in so many classics.
(07:31):
She's in kind of a flop era right now. One
could say, I would make the argument, and I'm not
the only person saying this. Being the Ricardos couldn't get
through it. Don't really know anyone that could. That thing
on Hulu not good. I don't even know what you're
talking about. That thing on HBO that wasn't Big Little
(07:54):
Lies with Hugh Grant. I did watch every episode, but
she was constantly a staged by her jackets in that show,
and they were fabulous jackets. But that's not you know,
she's just in kind of a bizarre phase of her career.
And then and then a performance like this and you're like, oh,
I mean she never left the Comeback of the Century.
(08:16):
Just quick side note, I will say that I am compelled.
I have not seen the show on HBO. I am
compelled by it though, because it starts the two Villains
of the Two Paddington movies, so you really would think
that it was going to be better. I kind of
want to rewatch it because that show I don't even
remember what it was called, but it was like a
(08:38):
Sunday night HBO show. I usually watch those, whether I
like them or not, because I don't know. I like Caitlin,
You're a Movie, Galt. I watched TV in real time
a lot of the time. It's called the Undoing. I wonder.
I feel like it aired like very much during Lockdown,
and it was like but it was like deep into Lockdown.
(08:59):
It was all so airing during the election, so I
was just like, I know that everyone was like that
show was weird. It wasn't very good, but it happened
at such a chaotic time that I think is either
a little bit better than we were giving a credit for,
or my suspicion, much worse. So we'll never We'll never know.
(09:21):
I don't care to watch it again. All that to say,
She's back, She's back. This is the greatest commercial I've
ever seen, So yeah, tell me about your history and
your relationship with AMC Theaters period we make movies better
period starring Nicole Kidman, So I am looking through my
AMC history. I believe the first time I would have
seen this would have been when I was seeing an
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eleven ten in the morning screening of Spencer, the Christen
Stewart Princess Diana movie, which I liked, and I had
heard about the commercial. I had not experienced the commercial,
and I was immediately hooked. I feel like it completely.
I feel it's a good movie to see it right
(10:06):
before too, because Spencer is all about like just kind
of you're like, you're never quite sure what's going on.
You never you don't know who to trust, who to believe.
You're like, what is happening here? And that's the exact
feeling I get when I watched Nicole Kidman AMC commercial,
except I don't think it's supposed to feel that way,
but that's why it's beautiful. Where the first time I
saw the Nicole Kidman commercial bring the House Down, because
(10:28):
we'll talk about the history of the commercial. I saw
it first Bring the House Down at a screening of
House of Gucci because Peanut butter and jelly of dissonant content. Um.
People were flipping for for the Nicole Kidman commercial because
there is kind of even though it's you know, not
(10:51):
been around for very long. People didn't like it at first,
They're like, what is this? I hate it? I'm confused.
Nicole Kidman hasn't even been in a movie we that
has like premiered in theaters in like three years, so
why her of all people? She's been doing streaming stuff.
But then you know, there was this shift sometime in
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the late fall and it and it does coincide, and
this commercial was partially made to encourage people to go
back to the movies when it was safe and by
winter time, by like the holiday season movies. People were
in love with this commercial. They loved it to the
point where when they shortened the commercial, there was a
petition with thousands of signatures to make it a minute
(11:34):
long again. And I have not experienced this myself yet,
but I've heard tell of when this commercial comes on
in theaters, many audience members will recite the monologue along
with I can confirm that. Okay, I have yet to
experience this. I did see The Batman last night. You
(11:55):
said long but good, long, but good correct and reaction
that the audience had when Nicole Kinman's AMC commercial came
on at an AMC. They don't really need to be
advertising AMC when you're already at an AMC. But you're
already there, and there's always such a like love hate
(12:16):
relationship with AMC because most people are there because they
have the most affordable membership. It's not because it's the
best movie theater. But you know, so people are kind
of at AMC under duress, but that's kind of part
of the fun exactly. So the commercial starts to play,
you only need to see it for like a few
frames before you know exactly what you're seeing. And the
(12:39):
moment we see that puddle, oh my gosh, is it
rating in the commersional but I mean, just an explosion
of applause and cheers the moment it comes on screen,
and I get why, Like it's it's an incredible piece
of cinema. It has everything that I love about and
(13:02):
it's truly does that commercial not make movies better? Because
I would say it does. It now makes me want
to go to we're recording this on Friday evening. It
kind of makes me want to go see The Batman
tonight because I just I've never seen this commercial in
like a packed theater calling out House of Gucci for
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maybe not packing the theaters as they thought they might.
I've seen it in half full theaters a couple of times,
but I have not seen, you know, like the way
that we used to see movies. This commercial is so special,
and I think we should I mean, should we get
into the recap. Yeah, yeah, let me recap it and
then we will go from there. Okay. So setting the scene,
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it is a cold, foggy night. It's not actively raining,
but it has just rained because there's a puddle. One
of the most iconic opening shots of all time, I
would say, is Nicole Kevin's heel landing directly in a puddle,
as if Nicole Kidman in her five thousand dollar shoes
would be stepping in up avoid a puddle. It seems
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so intentional that you're like, surely this is going to
come back later in the film. It does not. It
does not. So the whole purpose of this puddle is
so that we see the reflection of an AMC theater sign.
A foot comes into frame and steps into the puddle.
This foot is wearing a stiletto. We see the pant
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leg of a pinstriped suit. But these aren't just any
old pin stripes. They're shiny pin stripes. There. It's I
would say, it's like you would wear this like a
business casual New Year's Eve party? Yeah, would you wear
this to a movie theater alone? You know, that's that's
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out of my pay grade. I don't know you could.
I've seen it happen. I mean, I've seen it happen
with exactly one person, and it's Nicole Kidman in this commercial.
M hm, so yeah, so it has happened. It's been
famously done. So she so she walks into and it's,
of course it's an AMC movie theater. Yes, he's wearing
a jacket. At first, jacket goes away. Okay, yes, okay,
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So we cut two assuming they take it at the door,
which is not what happens at them. There is no
co check, so right, so then we cut to the
so we're still outside. We cut to the face of
the person in the pinstripe suit. It is Nicole Kidman
as herself. I think she's not playing a role. She's
not playing you know. The Explorer's daughter in Paddington One.
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She's not playing uh um whatever that her name is
from Mulan Rouge, certainly not. And other Nicole Kidman movies
that I can't think of off the top of my head.
She's not in um in Oh no, that one that's
about sex parties, eyes wide shot, it's not. That's how
I just described. Thank you forgetting that, and I'm canceled again.
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Great um yeah. And then you know other movies that
she's in that I don't remember, but it's Nicole Kidman
playing herself as far as we can tell. She pulls
down the hood of a beige coat that she's wearing.
She smiles at the AMC sign. She loves it there,
and it's not a super enthusiastic smile, but it's a
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smile of recognition, like I've been to this we come
to this place, which I think is what is being
said during this shot, correct, So she smiles, she steps
towards the theater, and then we're also getting voice over
from Nicole Kidman which says, we come to this place
for magic. We come to AMC theaters to laugh, to cry,
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to care. Then we see Nicole walking down a hallway
of this AMC. People have figured out this is like
a Los Angeles am C. I'm pretty sure I know
exactly where it is. Where is which one is it?
So it is one of the newest AMC's, at least
in the region. Because this was filmed on location. It
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is the AMC. You like to think they built a replica. Uh,
it is the AMC Porter Ranch nine, which is just
north of l A. We should definitely go. We should
definitely go. I also, how certain did you feel, even
though obviously she's an amazing actress, you feel like she's
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been there before. I would guess this is the first
time Nicole Kimn's been too an AMC. Absolutely yeah. I
don't think she's ever set foot inside of one before
they offered her, let's say, a million billion dollars to
step foot inside of a completely empty AMC theater one time.
I concur okay, but it's great. It's it's fluorescent lighting,
which you would think wouldn't be flattering, but it's Nicole
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Kidman and it kind of compliments the shiny nous of
of the pinstripe suit. I thought it brought out the
stripes absolutely us. So she's walking down the hall Her
coat is gone, so she apparently maybe she opened the
doors and just tossed it at the first working class
person she saw. Who knows she could have just dropped it.
I mean the movie there's empty, true, right, no one
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else is there. Okay, So she's walking down the hallway alone.
Cut to her in a screening room, walking up the
steps towards a seat. The screening room is completely empty.
But at this point we have now gotten a full
visual of the suit head to toe. We see the
whole thing and it looks good. It's good, it's a
good fit. It was tailored nicely, yes, and it's very shiny. Now,
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can can you clarify something for me? She doesn't have
the soda when she is walking down the hallway, or
does she? I do not believe she has the soda
At this point, the soda appears, soda magically appears, yes, okay,
I just checking. The coat magically disappears, the soda magically appears.
She's summoning and disappearing things like she's a wizard, like
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she's in practical magic or something. Yes, wow, that's another
movie she's in. She's really in a lot of movies. Caitlin.
I know she's had a hell of a career, tell
you what, She's in several movies, and now it's peaked.
It's peaked, and there's nowhere to go but downward. After
this AMC commercial exactly exactly, Okay, while we see these
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visuals of her walking to her seat and things like that,
we get more voice over, which says, because we need that,
all of us, that indescribable feeling we get when the
lights begin to dim and we go somewhere we've never
been before. Okay, Now things get kind of interesting because
now she's so she's in the theater, the theater, there's
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no one there, She's there alone. Right, Now, here's something interesting.
We don't know canonically what year this commercial takes place in.
It could take place as late as or as early
as seventeen eighteen. Does she watch a movie that comes
out after she watches Wonder Woman? She watches Jurassic World.
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So I didn't check the dates on these. So the
four movies that we see her watching clips of, presumably
trailers maybe who knows our Jurassic World, which I believe
came out in if you could fact check me, that
is correct. Okay, don't we see her watch a clip
of Wonder Woman which came seen I believe, Okay. The
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third one is La La Land. Okay, that might be
a wild card. That's twenty. I believe that's sixteen. Let
me check. I forgot she watches La La Land. That's sixteen, okay,
So so it could be as late as twenty seventeen.
And then the final one is Creed. Okay, Creed came out,
Creed came out in So this commercial, I would say,
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for some reason, takes place in in the winter of
or like the late fall or early winter of because
otherwise you would think and I don't know the vision.
And also I would say that one thing I found
very troubling about this is there's no credited writer on
this well commercial, well, not in the credits of the commercial,
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because commercials generally don't have credits. But there is a
famous Hollywood Oscar nominated screenwriter wrote the monologue for this,
Billy Ray. Really yes, okay, And I feel like you
can tell when a man is putting words in a
woman's mouth. That said, I think that you know I can.
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Is he not the screenwriter of what? Is he the
screenwriter of Hunger? Games. He wrote Terminator Dark Fate. He
wrote Captain Phillips, among others, that horrible movie Richard Jewel. Wow,
he had a rough year in You wrote Gemini Man, Terminator,
Dark Fate, and Richard Jewel yikes, hasn't written That's why
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he has to write Nicole Kidman's AMC monologues now. He
wrote Three Stinkies in a Row yikes. Oh, and he
wrote that show The Comy Rule That. No. I don't
know why I'm calling him out because this is the
greatest movie I've ever seen. Um So he actually we
thought that Billy Ray, a person I just learned existed.
We thought he was in his flop era. Due to
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Gemini Man, Terminator, Dark Fate and Richard Jewell back to
back to back. We thought Nicole Kidman was in her
flop era. I don't know why. I think the emphasis
went wrong. We thought she was in her flop era. Yes,
now I get it. Now, I understand. You know why
I hit the flop flop era flop Ira. But it
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turns out they just needed I do feel like there
is something beautiful. I mean, it's like, you know how
some people are really amazing in like the TikTok format.
You know, the TikTok formatt have you heard of that? Oh,
I'm I'm familiar. You know, like the the idea of
constraint often brings out you know, and the the economy
of words, the economy of time, you know, it really
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forces out greatness. Yeah, wow, Billy Ray, why did he
do that? Do you have more information? Well, sorry, let's
get there. I have some so I have some context.
And then yeah, we'll thank you so much. So we
we get this a little bit more of her voice over.
Then we see a movie projector fire up. She is
now standing in front of a seat, but she has
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yet to sit down. The projector screens a clip of
Jurassic World. It's screens a clip of Wonder Woman. The
voiceover kicks back in. She says, not just entertained, but
somehow reborn together dazzling images on a huge silver screen,
sound that I can feel. Then we cut back to
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her face. She has been watching these clips with awe.
I would say, Oh, I mean I think and there
is you know that Twitter account one perfect shot. There
is one perfect shot, and it's it's the one you're
thinking of where there's that just a halo of light
coming from behind Nicole Kidman's beautiful head from the movie
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Projector as she's watching I'm pretty sure the trailer for
wonder Woman. Yes, it's electric, And I think a lot
of us felt like that about the trailer for wonder
Woman in late where this commercial is set, and then
we watched it again about a year later, and we're like, no,
it was actually just okay, right, but we can't falter
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for that. This commercial takes place, you know, almost five
years ago. That's true, that's true. So she she's been
watching these clips with awe. She finally takes a seat.
Then we see the clip of La La Land and
then Creed voice overgoes and this is I believe, the
most iconic line. She says, somehow heartbreak feels good in
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a place like this, And can you clarify for me
what movie is playing? When she says that, Um, I
believe it's Creed? I think so. So I have a
fall up question. Have you seen Creed? I haven't seen Creed? Yes,
I have seen Creed? Does he lose? Is there heartbreak
in a movie like that? Honestly, I do not remember,
because I saw it when it first came out and
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I don't. My memory doesn't work. Okay, well you continue.
I'm just going to make sure because I the movies
that she's Oh, it's I'm just getting results for Creed
the band. Okay, I need to be more specific in
my search. I just was cure because for for such
an iconic line the movies selected, I don't think you're
particularly known for being heartbreaking. Right. And then, like a
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lot of what she's saying in her voiceover monologue does
not exactly match up with the images we're seeing on screen.
I would argue the most congruent match would be when
she says sound that I can feel and that I
believe it's playing over the clip of La La Land
and that's a musical, so maybe it's like so that
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makes sense they found it in the edit. Right. Also,
speaking of sound, let's talk about the score for a moment.
The musical score that has been playing throughout this entire
commercial is, I would say, a a very epic piece.
It's swelling, lots of swelling strings, piano. It's yeah, it's
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very It starts rather sparse, starts a little sparse, you know,
when for that we come to this place, you know,
it's just a few it's it's very quiet. But then yeah,
it rapidly crescendos once she's in that theater alone, Oh
my god. And I would say that, really the crescendo
comes with the arrival of the Soda who should have been,
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you know, the Best Supporting Actor nominee this year for sure,
because what is a good supporting actor do? But you know,
uplift the protagonist performance. Yeah, I haven't heard, I haven't
heard the Zoda cup say a peep martial came up,
and yet they're stealing scenes but also a generous scene partner.
I would say, does it pass the Bechdel test? When
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the cup of Soda appears magically beside Nicole Kidman and
admires her, admiring the movies she's watching on screen, thank
you for asking? Yes, okay, just just double checking. Okay,
so we're almost done. So her voice over, she says,
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somehow heartbreak feels good in a place like this. Our
heroes feel like the best part of us, and stories
feel perfect and powerful. Then we transition from Nicole's voiceover
to her directly addressing the camera. It's like Judy Dent
at the end of Cats is how I always think
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of that moment where you're like, wait, they know we're here.
There the cats know, And I was in the theater
the whole time, And that's how you feel when Nicole
stares down the barrel of Jeff cronin Worth's camera exactly,
and she says, because here they are. So she says,
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because here dot dot dot long pregnant pause, or I
might even call it ant pause. Oh yeah, heavy with
greg this pause because here dot dot dot gregnant pause
they are. And then we get text on the screen
that says and more voiceover that says, AMC theaters, we
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make movies better. Yes, fatal black. End of commercial. End
of movie. So let's take a quick break for an
ad that I really hope is AMC. I really hope
they start playing a drink podcast for some reason, but
I somehow doubt that it's going to be this exact
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AMC ad starring Nicole Kidman. Let's cross our fingers, but
it's probably not. But we'll come right back after to
this place at see you back in this place in
just a minute. Yes, and we're back. So I wasn't
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aware who wrote the script. That is fascinating. I didn't
know who directed that. They really so this this advertising
campaign cost and and listeners get ready for this million
American dollars is how much they spent on this ad campaign.
I cannot conceive. Most of it had to have gone
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to Nicole Kidman, right, Like, where did this is a
minute long commercial? Well? Okay, here's my guests, and I
am not sure, but an educated guess is that the
budget for the actual production of this commercial would not
have been that high. And as with most budgets for ads,
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a lot of the money goes to buying ad space
as far as the actual production goes. You know, for
this it was only one location. They probably only needed
one day for the shoot. And yeah, the biggest expense
for the production was probably Nicole Kidman's rate. Right, And
they have you know, jeff Crownaworth and Tim Cronaworth. You know,
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very famous Hollywood folks, are they? They are like in
terms of I'm sure they make a lot of money
because Jeffrey Cronaworth is like David Fincher's go to cinematographer.
He done, he did Fight Club, Social Network, Girl with
the dragon tattoo, Gone Girl. He's also like cinematographer nepotism.
His dad did Blade Runner. He's kind of an interesting guy,
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I see. And then also I think it's a brother
doo right. Jeff and Tim have collaborated on this, yes,
Like I think that they're just like a cinematographer team.
They also just worked together with Nicole Kidman on Being
the Ricardos was his last film, so he knows how
to frame this head he he knows all about it.
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And this is how this commercial came to be. So
I'm going to read an excerpt from an interview conducted
with Nicole Kidman by the Playlist about this about this
so it was mostly about Being the Ricardos and a
few of her other projects, The Flops, The Flops. But
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the final line of questioning in this interview goes as follows,
and I quote the interviewer says, and then my last
question for you is I know that you're not on
the internet, but do you know how beloved your AMC
theaters ad is? Nicole responds, Oh, the only reason I
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know is because Adam Aaron, the head of a MC,
sends me these tidbits saying, oh thank you, because Jeff
cronin WI shot it. He and his brother and he
shot Being the Ricardos and the reason he shot it
was because I was doing Lucy. And then I said, listen,
I've been asked to support a m C. Would you
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be willing? And he was like yeah. And then Billy Ray,
a friend of mine. I was like, Billy, would you
be able to do something? Write something for us? Should
we do this to support AMC? And Billy's like hell yes.
So that was how that all came about basically. And
then I was like, gosh, I mean, but I've never
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seen it in the theater or anything, because she's never
been to an AMC. Right, I showed up to a show,
a screening of Lucy of Being the Ricardos, and Adam
was there. But Adams kind of a rock star. He's
very popular. The interviewer says, he's very popular with the
blockchain investors, and then Nicole respond right, not my forte.
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I just wanted to support a m C. But he's
a great guy, thinking out of the box and defying
the odds. Go Adam. The interviewer says, well, I don't
know if you know this, but people love the line. Somehow,
heartbreak feels good in a place like this so much
that they have printed it on T shirts. Nicole Kidman,
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are you kidding? Interviewer, Oh, no, it's real. Ask your publicist,
she can send you stuff. It's a thing. The publicist says,
people have printed it out and handed it out in
a theater so they could read it with you before
a movie. That is true. I've I've I've seen I've
seen the tweets. Yes, Nicole Kidman says, what. Interviewer says, yes,
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it's a thing. Nicole Kidman says no. Interviewers says yes.
Nicole Kidman says what, And then the interviewer says, and
in fact, people were very upset because it was originally
a minute long, and then they shortened it down to
thirty seconds and they cut that line out. Fans were
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going to see Spider Man No Way Home, and they
wanted to see it beforehand, and they were upset that
line was missing. And Nicole Kinman says, but it's a
great line, right. Interviewer says yes. Nicole says, it's so true.
How true is it too? In? The interviewer says it is,
and then Nicole says, I mean talk about not feeling
alone sitting in a cinema with a broken heart and
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then watching something that breaks your heart again and you go,
I'm not alone. Please, this must not go away. We
have to have cinema. Nicole has no idea what's going
on here, and that is a part of the r
I think she's going method. I think she's doing whatever
Joaquin Phoenix thought he was doing fifteen years ago. Nicole
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Kibben's doing right now. Uh, this is her I'm not there.
She's pretending to that. That's so funny because Nicole Kibbin,
I feel like, correct me if I'm wrong, listeners, but
I fee it is kind of inherently camped to not
understand when you're doing something camp be the like that.
She's like, yeah, because we love the movies and because
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and heartbreak does feel good in a place like this.
It's like, well, Nicole, that's not necessarily why we're cheering,
but heartbreak does feel good in a place like that.
She's not wrong. So that brings up a few things
for me. I'm curious how you feel about that because
this episode is coming out I think maybe right after
Women's History Month, and I just think it's interesting. You know,
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it's it's we love a strong female protagonist, and Nicole
Kibben in this In this piece in particular, I think
one of her strongest performances in a leading role. Absolutely. However,
behind the camera, you know, I think that it's it's interesting,
it's and I would say that this isn't a good
example of women's supporting women because she she she called
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three white guys one one white guy and his brother.
I think it's very funny that they keep referring to
this guy, Tim, who doesn't have a Wikipedia page, Bless
his soul. He's just called Jeff's brother, and I'm sure
that bothers him. And then she calls, how does she
know Billy Wright? Did he write a movie that she
was in. I'm trying to figure out what the Billy
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Ray Nicole Kidman connection is. Let me see if I
can figure this out. I would have looked, Nicole, you
had an opportunity here and you handed it to a
bunch of men. And I just think that's interesting. Was
she in the Hunger Games? Who's in? I know? So? Okay,
Elizabeth Banks is the blonde adults in that movie. Never Mind,
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I don't quite know how they know each other. Maybe
they're just friends, that's Hollywood, Baby, I want to know
who the costume designer was on this commercial, because again,
this suit deserves a lot of our attention, and like
how many how many different? Like what was the process there?
I also really liked that that interview you just shared.
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You can tell it's the best day of that interviewer's
life talking to her about this. But if there were
questions that I feel like I didn't have answered, you know,
and like how long is she going to be willing
to It almost makes me want her to win for
being the Ricardos so she can give us more information
on stage in her Oscar acceptance speech. Yeah. Yeah, I
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mean she she if there's any justice in the world,
she won't win because that movie is so bad that
it's kind of shocking. But I just wonder, yeah, because
it's like I wonder how many outfits she tried on
did she bring? I feel like sometimes when people are
super famous, they're like, I'm just gonna bring my own clothes.
I could see it being that it seemed like it
was an intimate production. Yeah, is this something she already owns?
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We don't know. I mean, it certainly fits. I mean
when the pinstripe suit fits. That's the famous quote. Right
then you have to shoot an AMC commercial and there
can't be other people. I wonder, and I also wonder,
you know, like why are there no other people? Well,
this brings up this is an excellent question, Jamie, because
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it might be that she has, you know, anxiety about
being around people. People could be that, but it could
just be people in general. Because we're still in a
pandemic as as we discuss this commercial, and certainly as
this commercial premiered, and I think a lot of the
backlash that this commercial first received, in addition to everyone
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just being like, what the fuck is this totally weird
and bizarrely written, which we later realized was that's wrong.
It's wrong because it's actually perfect, perfect, and it's the
tone we've been for years. The production design is unbeatable,
the cinematography is perfect, Everything about it is amazing. The
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writing is good. There's a lot of symbolism. Then the
symbolism is so that you don't really know, like what
they're trying to say, and in that way, it's lynch
in the the sudden disappearance of the beige coat symbolizes
the ending of the pandemic and the sudden emergence of
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this cup of soda symbolizes us returning to the life
we once knew pre COVID nineteen pandemic. That's my interpretation, right,
and that is why people getting to your point, why
people were kind of upset because the commercial came out
when we were not quite in that place, and because
obviously the pandemic is ongoing, but in particular, you know,
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in September that was still a very precarious time and
we did not know it then, but like the delta
variant unfortunately surged shortly after this commercial, uh first premiere,
and so the timing was not great. It seems like
the kind of commercial that's claiming that the pandemic is
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over in a way that I don't think would have
made quite as many waves had it premiered in early
two when cases went down significantly again after the sorry
I'm at the omicron variant, I didn't mean the delta variant.
Getting my variants mixed up horrible. It's okay, we forgive you.
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But yes, the commercial premiered at a time where the
situation was precarious. Not to quote Titanic or anything. Ruth
talking about her precarious situation with Rose, of course, but
the situation the world is Rose with the Corsidan, and
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the commercial failed to address how the theater because obviously
the commercial is like urging people to return to the
cinema after you know, a year and a half of
watching movies at home. But it's like, hey, look, you
can go back to the movie theater, specifically AMC because
we make movies better. But the commercial will failed to
acknowledge how the theaters might be doing anything about safety
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precautions relating to the pandemic and all that stuff, so
that it seems to imply that the only way to
be safe is to be completely alone to buy out
the entire theater, which you can do at an AMC,
which is another cause for criticism of like, oh well
then that's a class issue. Oh you're not. You're not
going to keep it safe, which is what brings me
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to my honestly assumption that Nicole Kidman is uncomfortable around
poor people. I mean, I would tend to assume that
is also correct that said we don't want her. Uh,
she's she's an icon. Okay, let's get back on track. Um, yes, okay,
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So is that do you have more context for this.
Thank you for taking the lead on context for this.
I'm learning so much, you know what, I'm happy to
do it. I think that was That was all I
could find in my extremely deep and thorough dive of
the production surrounding this commercial. And um, I don't have
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much else to say aside from this being my favorite
movie of all time except that. Did you notice how
Nicole Kidman's Australian accent is sometimes there but sometimes not? Well,
that's how else would you know Nicole Kidman's performing if
she couldn't quite decide whether she was going to use
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her natural accent or not. It's like we've taught and okay,
icon we're not punching at Nicole Kidman. This is an
iconic performance that there's like every Nicole Kidman performance you're like,
oh there. It is like there's always like two scenes
where she she just she slips quote Titanic, and I
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slipped and I would have gotten overboarding Mr m he
hadn't saved me, almost gone over himself. So the boy's
a hero. Then okay, oh guys, it's April. You gotta
get over to the Matrion because it's that time again.
Did you see that listener and future guests in the
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cast aomi Um tagged us in something called a Titanic
porn parody called by Tanic Did you see that? I
certainly did. I think maybe we should cover it. I
think we should cover it. There's another I think horror
movie coming out good Titanic six six six is maybe
the movie perfect with. The newest Amityville horror movie is
(43:39):
called Amityville Horror in Space and they still claim it's
based on a true story. Can you believe that? Okay?
So okay. I'm reading an article from Deadline about Titanic.
The official log line of the film is this, one
hundred and ten years after its namesakes Fateful Journey, the
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Titanic Threes made in voyage will land at the original
site of the wreck. Although a faithful replica of the original,
this mammoth cruise ship. This is also way longer than
a logline btw, But what do I know? Although a
faithful replica of the original, this mammoth cruise ship is
built with the most advanced technology, ensuring that it has
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no chance of sinking. But when the Titanic three arrives
at the tragic site, strange events begin to occur as
dark forces from the deep rise to the surface, terrorizing
all aboard and threatening to repeat one of history's greatest disasters. Wow,
I love it. I'll see it. Of course we'll see it.
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Of course we'll see it. I'm looking. I'm currently looking
at somehow heartbreak feels good in a place like this
crop tops. Okay, So obviously we need to get matching
ones and wear them during every recording. And if if
things go as you're planning, Caitlin and I may be
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dropping a special little, uh, you know, a little little
picture to go along with this episode if things go
to plan. If not, we'll cut it out of the episode.
But I think that you might be pretty thrilled by
the make sure we drop with this. So with that said,
I think that there's you know, I wish we had
more time to discuss this, but we have shockingly been
(45:25):
talking about this for almost an hour. So does this
AMC commercial spot pass the Bechtel test? Well, I'm going
to answer your question with another question, amazing, which is this? Okay,
does it pass the Bechtel test? When Nicole Kidman's diagetic
(45:46):
breaking the fourth Wall monologue responds to Nicole Kidman's non
diagetic voice over, Ah, that's a yes question because it's
obviously yes a so so the answer is yes, this
definitely passes. I would argue there's another way in which
it passes, because is it the soda cup clause it's
(46:09):
a it's a different one. So there's a wow. Okay,
So Nicole Kidman says, somehow heartbreak feels good in a
place like this. Stories feel perfect and powerful because here
they are. And then we the audience, which is comprised
of all genders, we respond and we say who Yes,
(46:31):
Nicole's exactly yes, and that truly is how people respond. Okay,
you know, I'm sold. I think that at this point
handily passes the backdul test. I had no doubt in
my mind. But I feel much I feel much much better. Yes.
So with that in mind, let's get to our nipple scale. Yes,
(46:52):
rating the movie based on how it fares from an
intersectional feminist lens on a scale of zero to five nipples.
What are you giving this commercial spot? No question about it,
five nipples, thank you across the board for everything. I
would say five nipples as well. Even though this star
is a a single white woman, talking to the world.
(47:14):
Who had the opportunity to hire anyone and did hire
three white guys. I think that there's no way around
it that this has five nipples. I would also say
there's not much diversity in the movies that she watches.
It's a lot of um entirely straight white people. But
we don't even see as far as who's represented from
(47:36):
Jurassic World. It's just the gate. It's just the gate
to Jurassic World. So yeah, I think that they certainly
could have chosen a more diverse selection of movies. They
also could have chosen movies that came out in the
last five years, but for some reason they didn't. And
even so five nipples though, even so five and maybe
even six, and I'm giving them to this sounds like
(48:01):
it's a MCS. I'm giving them all to the soda cup. Okay, cool,
I'm gonna give one to the beige coat that disappears.
I'm gonna give one to the puddle. I'm going to
give one to the soda cuddle icon, the puddle feminist.
Where's the T shirt feminist icon? The puddle? Okay, See,
I know, I know, I have a lot of work
to do. If I committed to making feminist icon the
(48:23):
Puddle March, we would be millionaires and that's just a fact.
And then we could buy out the whole theater. So
my fourth nipple goes to the empty theater and my
fifth nipple goes to Nicole Kidman's shiny pin stripes. Yes,
this is a perfect piece of cinema. This is why
we go to the movies, so that we can see
(48:44):
this before we see a movie. And when Melissa and
I love the theater, did we say the best part
of Sarano was Nicole Kibbin? Yeah, and Syo was okay? Actually,
although when we left, I'm curious what you think about
about it because Melissa was like Caitlin would hate that
so much. That was her first thought. You're talking about
Sera No, yes, not the commercial. I know you love
(49:07):
it well, I would know if we had seen the
movie together as we were supposed to do, which we
did mention going together on a Matreon episode. See it again? Okay,
it again? Peter Dinkledge. I will see any movie with
Peter Dinkledge as many times as I saw the House
of Gucci three times. So yes, I will see Serran
(49:28):
no twice. Good Okay, awesome, amazing, somehow heartbreak on a
podcast like this. Yes, we'll be April. I'm assuing. I mean,
I don't actually, I don't know when this is coming out.
I don't know what day it is. It's just a day.
It's a day. No big deal to day, no big deal.
We'll have a great week everyone. Now, I feel like
we really have um tackled our godfather basically, and um,
(49:54):
you know we're gonna we we are going to bravely
continue the show. But know that we just peaked. We
could be done, and I would feel perfectly good about
the work we've done here. I agree, So thank you
for listening. You can you know, follow us, do all
the stuff. Rate this episode five nipples on your listening platform, etcetera. Please,
(50:17):
and um, you know, just be sure to go to
a MC theaters because they make movies better. And honestly,
if AMC doesn't give us advertising sponsorship after this, I'm
gonna I'm gonna stomp around in a puddle of I'm
gonna stomp around in a boddle. I'm gonna disappear some
beige coats because that's bullshit. Absolutely Yeah, all right, Well,
(50:38):
thanks for listening and uh. And now just imagine us
turning to the microphone and saying, because here they are,
bye bye bye
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