October 19, 2017 • 57 mins
If you say "Bechdel Cast" three times in a row, Caitlin and Jamie will appear and ruin your favorite childhood movies! This week they discuss the scabbiest movie of all time, Beetlejuice, with guest Mike Abrusci!
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(01:31):
welcome to the backtel Cast. My aunt's Shamie. My name
is Caitlin. This is our backtel cast. It's about movies.
It's about women. It's about women and movies. Do they
do good? Do they do that? Let's it's a bit
of a middle in the middle. We are recording in
New York City right now. Say hey, alternative location. Yeah,
pretty cool, which means Aristotle isn't with us. Uh he
(01:54):
passed away? Fun No, Airstotle's alive and well but yeah,
we're we're both here in New York. We're going to
be recording our live episode later tonight, but here with
we're with her friends with some parts were among friends.
Quick update. I don't have Mike's hard that's on me,
but I will procure one, I think for the live
(02:16):
I mean that's my plan. Yeah, try to have to
find it. Yeah, like, I'll figure it out really quick.
I was in Boston last night and I met this person,
probably the worst person I've ever met, but his name
was Kevin. My friend and I were trying to find
somewhere quiet to catch up, and this Kevin just came
(02:37):
out of nowhere and was like, I didn't get into
Harvard Business School. He cried. And then I asked him
if he knew what the Bechdel test was, and he
asked if that was a standardized test because he because
he was in the Harvard Business School zone. So anyways,
I got to see a man really at his lowest
last night, and it felt like a really good way
to come in here. Yeah, that's encouraging. No, I get
(02:59):
exactly what you mean. And if you are like Kevin
and you don't know what the Bechtel test is, we're
here to tell you. It's a test that you apply.
Thank you you handed out that whole story keeping it.
If you don't know what the Bechtel test is, it's
a test that you apply to movies or TV shows
or anything with a story. It requires that two women
(03:20):
in the story talk to each other. They also have
to have names, and their conversation has to be about
something other than a male. Yeah, and we've explained it
on every episode of our podcast, So yeah, I suppose
there's a couple we missed. But people yellous when we
don't say the right things at the right times, and
I remember and it hurts my feelings. I forgot to
(03:40):
talk about cat facts last time, so we're not to
talk about Alfred mill, which is like, I don't I
barely believe that, but it's possible. In any case. We
have a guest, as we always do, we have a guest.
So our guest today he's a delight. He lives in Actually,
(04:01):
it's totally makes sense that you love this movie because
this is such a loud, obnoxious, long Island style movie.
On am I allowed to shut up? Okay, he's got
a podcast. It's called TV Casualty. It's on what network
Machine shout out to life. It's my Hi, Hi. I
(04:25):
think we should address this. We're sitting beside each other.
It feels it's weird. I don't want to make eye
contact with Mike. I'd rather kill myself. But he's right,
they're so happy to be here. We're doing a bad
job as hosts and I'm being an exceptional guest. Well,
(04:49):
let's talk about the movie, which is Beetlejuice. And you
picked this movie. Why did you pick this movie? What's
your history with it? How many times have you seen it?
Let's see, I've probably seen this movie to hunt times,
like a lot. It was like it was like a
big movie of my childhood. I liked it. I would
rent it from the library pretty often. You were like
(05:10):
watching Beetle Juice in Long Island, just sitting just sitting
on the couch in my parents house, just loving Beetle Juice,
eating a bunch of dorrito's, really having a good time
to do a young one on a rider. Of course,
every day, every day is a day that I am
trying hard not to get the Winona Forever tattoo that
(05:32):
Johnny had every day of my life. I have a
friend named Sammy who has that tattoo. There is it
Winona because Johnny has Wino for every change, which also
like doesn't bode well with this current persona, Like it's
just you can't win with that tattoo. Also, he's a
coward for getting it removed. Just live with it. Yeah,
(05:52):
I covered up what is forever. Time is a construct.
That's true, You're right, but yeah, probably the first time
I probably saw it was probably like six or seven,
because I was like, this is like kids movie. It
seems fun. And then the first time I thought, I
was like, I don't know, it looks like like you'd think, yeah,
you'd think, but it's not. That's kind of the Tim
(06:12):
Burton thing, where like everything looks like a kid's movie,
but it also makes you feel very uncomfortable for a while,
as like like Edward scissor Hands maybe feel very uncomfortable
as a child until I realized what it was. I
was very horny for Edward sussor Hands. Yeah, well I
don't share that sentiment, but I liked that movie a
lot for at least some span of time. I haven't
(06:34):
seen it in a while. It's a crier, it's a
sad one. You're gonna feel things, you're gonna be you're
gonna feel compassionate, you're gonna real light with a white man.
It's going to be confusing every seas. The hand is
very hot. Well, that movie. That movie, and I think
Beetle Juice also, and probably a lot of Tim Burton
movies don't make any sense. No, yeah, I okay, we'll
(06:56):
get into it. I don't like Beetle Juice. The movie
very much feminist, psychon feminist, feminist. One of my problems,
one of my several problems with the movie Beetle Juice,
is that he's so grotesque to look at that he's
too hot. I didn't like scabs all over his Forehead's
(07:17):
right now, you know what? That kind of makes sense
why Jamie likes him covered covered in scabs. He has
one suit, pinch stripes, he eats bugs, He's a disgusting pervert.
He has no respect for women. This is like my
(07:37):
kind of guy. Yeah, but mostly a time, mostly the scabs.
It's mostly the scabs and the like pancake face facial makeup.
Well when did you foresee it? I would guess like
early teens. I've seen it maybe four or five times. Yeah,
and I like, I don't know what. It seems like
the kind of movie that I would like, really really
get into. But I think I avoided it after a
(07:59):
while because I didn't want to get looped in with
the hot topic kids. I wanted to be a hot
topic kid. But I like, unlike other clicks, that I
tried to ingratiate myself into a k the anime kids
who rejected me heartily, the Juggalos who rejected me heartily.
But there are a family. They're not for me. Not
(08:20):
if you have a back brace and you can't play
Hacky Sack. Juggals. I know the Juggalos. I know, like
you had to be able to play Hacky Sack. If
you were physically not able to play Hacky Sack, that's
the one thing that would mean you can't be seen
so many pictures of Juggalos who definitely couldn't play Hacky Sack.
These ones very accepting. They were very accepting people. They
(08:42):
really are, Like there's a they did, like a march
for a quality. Anyways, there's a documentary about feminism at
the gathering of the Juggalos. I didn't know what a
Juggler was until I was like twenty eight, Like, well
that's wild, yeah, so be it. When I saw it.
I remember being on the TV when I was like
(09:05):
probably six and only remembering the image of like that
stripy worm like going through the sand, and that was
the only thing I remember about it, And I don't
think I saw it since then until a couple of
days ago when I watched it to prep for this episode,
So I like lived my life thing. Yeah, I know
about Beetle Juice. I've seen it and I know the
(09:26):
things about it. And it turns out I don't like
I hadn't and like I said, I don't like it
that much. Uh sorry, everyone, but I have reasons and
they're good. So okay, I forgot about who is in
(09:47):
Beetle Juice. I forgot. I totally forgot Alec Baldwin's and
Beetle Juice. And he looked the hottest he's ever. God's
it's it's everything's tight, doesn't have the right color. Isn't
that big gallon of milkheady as a now he looks,
(10:09):
Oh god, skinny head. And and I love Gina Davis
out of control. She's good and Winona didn't remember her
being in it, didn't remember Katherine o. Harriby kills in
Wanna Want To. I can't think of a movie that's
worse for her being there. Oh wait, she makes everything better,
(10:31):
she makes everything great. She's amazing. And then the guy
who plays her husband in that movie is in my
favorite Tim Burton movie. I don't remember the actor's name,
but he's in Sleepy Hollow, which that is my favorite.
It's good, you know, it's Johnny Depp being Johnny Depp,
which turns out as a piece of ship. But it's
(10:53):
a great it's a fun little thing. He was the
principal in Ferris Bueller. Oh okay, I saw that movie
just the other day. Jeffrey Jones is the actor's name?
Was here? There was an actor who I believe was
recently in the last couple of years, definitely arrested for
some sort of child crime the podcast Love Perverted. I
(11:20):
don't want to say it was him, but I feel
like it was him. Okay, well, what's his name again,
Jeffrey Jones? Continue to talk? I need to know. Okay,
Well should I do the recap? Sure? Yeah, what's it about? Well,
my favorite movie, Beetle Juice is about beetle juice. And
if you had to say that three times on beetle Juice,
(11:41):
beetle jice, and then he does the cute I love him.
So okay. Beetle Juice centers around a married couple, Adam
and Barbara Maitland, which if I were to marry Adam
or Barbara Maitland. My name would be okayln Maitland, so
(12:03):
I might do that observation. Thank you so much. So.
Adam is played by Alec Baldwin and Barbara is Gina Davis.
And they're living in this house and they love their house.
They built a model of the town in their attic
and they're having a great time and they go out
to the store and then they fall off a bridge.
(12:25):
They crash off of a bridge and die. Uh. And
it takes them a while to figure out that they've died.
But they're back in their house and they're like, wait
a minute, what's this book? The handbook for the recently deceased.
They're still hot, they're not gross, ugly, scabby ghosts like
beetle juices. They're still cute because he's the ghost with
(12:46):
the most So they start to piece together that they
are dead and that their ghosts, and this new family
moves in and that's and confirmed the sex offender. Oh no,
(13:07):
Katherine Hair and the sex offender coming to the CBS. Yeah,
he's a sex offender too. Well. Misbehaving bad. That's that's
why I say to all sex offenders bad, no misbehaving,
that's bad. Slap on the wrist for you. Basically, that's
what happened. He had to go to he had to
(13:28):
go to counseling and then just be like, Hi, I'm
respected actor, you know, disgraced human Jeffrey Jones, I'm a
sex offender. Isn't that always the way it? Actually? Ever
come to your door and been like, I'm a sex offender. No,
that's never happened to me. I feel like there were
I mean, for sure, there are a ton of sex
offenders in my neighborhood, and like, who's checking to make
(13:50):
sure that they tell you? I don't know, right, there
should be like a case goes along with them to like,
but then you never, like they're always well, I don't know,
I never. As soon as we got the Internet, my
mom was obsessed with sex offender like listings to find
out how close they were to the house, or how
close they were to the school. Grinder for we got
(14:14):
one point two miles away. Let's see what's going on.
The sex offender and Katherine O'Hara, their characters have a
daughter and that's when you want to ride her. And
she's she's got black, She's not like the other girls.
She's got different, she's different, and they move in and
Adam and Barbara are like, no, this is our house,
(14:36):
don't move in. And then so they try to hunt
them and scare them as they can't leave the house
right because they yeah, the rule is established for whatever
reasons that they cannot leave their house. So they try
to scare the diets is who move in, and that
doesn't work. So then they go to this like afterlife
waiting room, which is love the waiting tiny head, tiny head,
(15:04):
tiny head has got it going on, my man. Yeah,
shoulders on that tiny headed guy. It's I mean, it
really brings out how tiny his head is. Shoulders very
highlight this side. So they go and they're like, hey,
we need help. So they meet with this caseworker Juno,
(15:25):
and she's like, you guys, gotta be simple, be a
simple ghost to do some simple hauntings. So then they
try again to haunt them and scare them out of
the house and that doesn't work, and then they meet
the daughter went on a writer's characters. Here's the thing
about her. She's different at different. Her name is Lydia.
She's a god. She's got insane bangs and I hate them.
(15:47):
Oh come they're pointy. They're fine pointy band, They're very
point She looks sharp. She's a sharp looking kid. There's
a lot of the whole movie has a lot of
sharp looking elements in it. Yeah. Do you re the
scene where Beals juices horny and but then he's also
sharp when the spikes scir out of his body? Yeah,
(16:09):
I think that's fun and that's fun. We horn you
just get very sharp. Yeah, that's literally there's Yeah, Beals
juices so horny. Yeah, but like literally covered in horns.
He's covered. Yeah, and he's horny. Do you see it?
What I'm doing? I get it. I get it. Let
me explained further. So, um, then they meet Lydia, and
(16:35):
Lydia is like wait, I can see you guys, and
they're like holy ship. So they like befriend Lydia, but
they still hate Lydia's parents, so they're still trying to
get them out. And then they hear about Beetle Juice. Well,
because the Catherine O'Hara is the stepmom who's who are
always evil. Stepmoms are bad. We've stepparents in general are
bad in movies in real life. I don't I don't
(16:56):
have any stepparents. It's like, calm down, Yeah, this is
what I dis rail gets my dad's girlfriend. Five minutes,
Katherine O'Hara and her her interior designer friend I Love Him,
are are going through the house and talking about which
parts they want to tear down. That's when yeah, they're like,
we gotta call this Beetle Geiss dude. Oh yeah, And
(17:18):
then they figure out how to summon him. When you
have to call his name out three times, they figure
it out, and then they go to his like little
he's like in hanging out in a cemetery. They have
to dig him up out of his grave. On the
pomp and circumstances with Juice. Coming out of the grave,
he's yelling, he looks like he stinks. I love the
commercial he has for himself. Yeah, the little song he
(17:40):
sings at the end, Yeah beautiful. I'm not going to
sing the song. Okay, I didn't sing the song. Oh
I want to sing the song probably. Now you know what?
It is crazy that Michael Keaton is Batman the year
after Beetle Juice. It's wild right right, Like he's acting
like the Joker this entire They know a man who
can anchor a series. That's what they know. They go,
(18:03):
this is the face of our movie. Is yeah, even
though beetle Juice, the character is in the movie Beetle
Juice for seventeen minutes, it's yeah, where is Beetlejuice? That
for most of the he's not introduced on screen like
in the flash if you will, in his scabby flesh
until forty five minutes into the movie. That's my main complaint.
More be more feminist. It's crazy how little beetle Juice
(18:27):
is in the movie Beetle Juice. It's it's like it's
like they're like, oh, we had this movie Forrest Gump.
Let's follow Jenny around for like a long time. Honestly,
would have been a more interesting We're coming for We're
coming for four this I'm serious though, Jenny, she was
sucking a bunch of dudes. What was Forrest Gump doing?
(18:49):
He ran across the country, he met the president, he
played Ping Pong real good. He uh, he fights in
a war in the boring. But if not for the
movie for Us Gump, we would not have Bubba Gump
Strip Company, the restaurant. And I think that that is
(19:09):
the most important contribution it's made to that's the culture
that we have. I could seriously go for some Bubba
gup right now. I'm always going to choose my favorite restaurant, Hooters,
over anything else. Shout out to Hooters, my former place
of employment as a delivery driver. Shout out to Hooters.
All right, let me finish the recap of Beetle Juice
(19:31):
and then we can do other things. So they consult
with Beetle Juice and they find out that he's a pervert,
like within seconds, and they're like, oh, actually, we don't
want to meet with this guy. But he looks Davis's
skirt like three seconds after they meet. The first thing
he does is like he kisses her. Whenever He's just like,
he's another surprise kiss. We'll get into it, but we
(19:52):
have a grand legacy of surprise gisses. I would say
that kiss still is not worse than bread, which way worse. Yes,
is the worst surprise because we've ever talked about on
this podcast. It's horrific. I think he's Beetle Juice over
the top, taking the head in that movie he lunch. No,
(20:12):
at least he's not covered in scabs. First of all,
I would preferred be covered in scabs for all of them.
No one seen him for a while. He could be
covered in scabs. Now we just don't know. Oh he's now,
he's around. I keep track of the he's around. Are
they filming blasts in the past two? No. There, they
make a scar face, but it's not scar face, it's
(20:34):
scab face and it starts breaded pressure. Yes, good idea,
thank you so much. So anyway, they were like, wow, funk,
we can't work with this beetle juice guy. He's a
gross pervert. And then the family the deets Is find
out about the ghosts the Maitlands and they're like, oh,
(20:56):
we're going to exploit them, and like have it be
a whole We're gonna have like a little museum. People
can come and look at the all the ghosts. It
almost becomes a roller coaster movie. Oh yeah, but it doesn't.
But then it doesn't, and then it's a roller coaster
opportunity Jesus. After that, after they find out and they
want to exploit, and they invite all their friends up
(21:17):
from New York City and then they have the dancing,
a dancing dancing everyone and that party is dressed to
the Nines. It's always amazing to me, no matter what
movie it happens in where people dress up to go
to someone else's house. It's just like, in what world
would I I mean, I mean, I want you to
(21:39):
a jacket, but your best in a tuxedo. Mike, you
you came like looking nice. You know, you had like
a top layer. Now you're in your your your fun
vegan punk layer. And I did not come on this
podcast to be disrespected like this. There's a story every
(22:00):
if it tells his story. Yeah, no, I'm kidding, it's closed.
Is your story? Woke up outside, I'm gonna go over
us in the bathroom. My head somehow slept in a
tree top. Um. So the next thing that happens, and
(22:22):
the job is the details are trying to exploit Adam
and Barbara. Otho now has the book, the Handbook for
the Recently Deceased, and he like, does this spell or
something to like summon them, and so he summons Adam
and Barbara. But they get all like weird and old
and they start decaying and stuff. So they're like crape right,
(22:45):
and then Lydia is like, oh ship, I need this
beetle juice guy's help to fix everything and incomes the
big problem. You mean when he forces a teenage girl
to marry him. Okay, the first of all, First he
turned into a big snake, which I've come for your daughter,
Come for your daughter, chuck, which is a beautiful line.
(23:07):
And he said it to a perfect like it's why Yeah,
a fake perfect says it to a real purpose. That's
just a little bit of movie magic. Yeah, that's just
something you can only get in the Burton verse. But yeah,
that the wedding scene is it's crazy how every like
everything about it is a big old problem and it's
still so much fun. Where he's forcing a teenager to
(23:31):
marry him is actively like kind of like shoving her
around it and being like and then and then whenever
Gina Davis tries to speak, he puts a zipper on
her mouth. He put Yeah, it's every frame a woman
is in that scene is just like insane. Yeah, Gena
Davis is arc in that scene. Goes zipper on the mouth,
(23:53):
metal plate over the mouth, sent to the desert, attacked
by a giant snack. It really ramps up quickly. It's
heightening baby rule of threes. So then I mean beetle
Juice is the rule of three is taken to the
extreme feminist icon. Beetle juice. Yeah. So the Maitlands are like, no,
we can't let him marry this teenage girl. So they
(24:16):
find a way to stop him. Very cool wedding dress on.
He's not like the other else duh marion suit. Yeah,
and then they're like, no, we don't marry each other.
And they save Lydia from being married to a pervert.
And then Beetle Juice, I forget what happens to him
at the end. He gets the waiting room. He gets uh,
(24:39):
because they come back. Barbara comes back on the big
sandworm snake and it crashes through the ceiling and feminist icon,
the big snake, feminist icon, big snake. Right. And then
at the end, the Maitlands and the Diets has learned
to coexist. They just live in a hat in the house. Altogether.
(25:02):
It's one big, happy family. That's the weirdest part. That's
that's the weirdest part of the movie Commune. Not not
that hundred and something you're all dead man tries to
marry a teenager, or that a worm is a big
plot point, but that these people are like, yeah, well,
let these ghosts raise our child because they're like, how
do you do on the math? It's another big fun scene. Yeah,
(25:26):
and then yeah is up, yeah, up on the wires
and dancing. That's great. So that's this story. Beetles live
with them. It's weird that he's the it's weird that
he's the villain of the movie and he's barely in
the movie, and it's like you're never rooting for him,
and he's the title character. And yeah, like it's part
(25:47):
of why this movie is a bit confusing to me. No,
I understand it a hundred percent. Yeah, well you're you're sick,
perfect with a lot of problems. Listen, it took me
a while to peel off the s off on my face.
Let me just say, we're usually not this mean to
our guest. So sorry, No, I've seen this is You
(26:08):
should see what I've been subjected to in this room.
It would I also Mike said it looked like I
woke up in a tree. True, okay, No, I said
it looked like you slept in a tree. I woke
up out of the tree. Yeah, you fell out anyway,
So have I described Jamie's clothes as quote bought by
the Pound before that was that. I think about that
(26:31):
like one. That's fine. It all right, let's talk about
the portrayal of women about in this room. Let's start
with this room. I think Caitlin's great, thank you, but
I'm not. You're so the main female character is Barbara,
(26:54):
and then we've also got Lydia and Delia is the stepmother,
and then we have a few like secondary characters like
Juno is the caseworker who has her throat slit open
and smoke comes out of it. That's a funny. I
love her in the football team together, Oh yeah, that's
great when they keep calling our coach. And then Jane
(27:15):
Butterfield is like the neighbor who's like trying to get
them to sell the house. And then as far as
feminist iconic, who I would say he transcends gender, I
would say the bel Juice is definitely genderless, genderless icon No,
(27:38):
in all seriousness, he's a man, and he's a horny
man and oh god, I don't even know. Of course,
I pictured like very like painted white with a bunch
of green scabs all over it. I have to change
my under to script in Okay is it too much
(28:03):
to say that. I bet you he comes scabs. That
too much to say. So that's the perfect in regards
to coming scabs. So there's beetle Juice in there. Sounds
day in my head. It's like hitting open a beehive
with a bat. Let's quit. Beetle Juice is in the
(28:29):
movie for like twenty minutes. He's usually sexually assaulting a
woman in some way kind of a thing. Yeah, yeah,
at very least he's presented as a gross, horny dude. True,
but we're not supposed to be rooting for him, which
is a confusing thing about this movie. But he's like
(28:49):
still I would argue like a beloved character, right, Like
people are like, I'm already like bees for Halloween. Yeah,
a rebit of beetle Juice. There was the Beetle Juice
cartoon which came out. He was a much nicer character,
and him and Lydia were like friends. Yeah. Beetle Juice
(29:09):
was sometimes like learn lessons. Yeah, like, well, sometimes I
guess you have to treat your scaps. Sometimes you share
your scaps with your friends. Let's not talk about I
can't stop thinking about beetle Juice coming. You're welcome listeners.
I'm sorry, I can't apologize enough for what this discussion
(29:32):
has become. I'm sorry I didn't say it sooner. Oh
excuse me. This is discourse this important. Are here to
be like what does fiers? We're calling on you know,
we're not alright. So Beetlejuice, he's sexually assault Sparbara. He
does a surprise kiss. He's a skirtpeaker. He's there's like
(29:57):
a part where he all he like kind of fondles
Alec Baldwin and then he turns around and then also
grabs Barbara. So he's just like fondling them both. And
he's horny. He's extremely horny. He's at one point, you know,
builds a whorehouse her words, and then a very sharp
beetle shoe, very horny beetle juice Shimmy's over to it.
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I forget how does he get sharp? Just holding him
because he's tiny. He's in like the model town that
they have in the so she has him, he's tiny,
and then he just grows spikes and she drops him.
He has like magic powers because he can just like
send her to the desert. I feel like there's wearing
Alec Baldwin's clothes all of a sudden point. There's a
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lot of world building in this movie, but also not
enough because I don't understand, like what the limit of
what he can do. I don't understand the world. Kind
of like a genie, right, kind of, except there's no like,
so it's not like a genie and a bad a
bad one like Jafar when he becomes a genie at
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the end of the Laddin. Like the Return of Jafar,
it would be that highly highly underrated sequel, the Return
of Jaffar. I think it's looking for lone gay icon.
I'll say it. I think most Disney villains are gay icons. Yeah,
(31:25):
for Scar gay icon. Yeah all, I mean pretty much
what's his name from Beating the Beast? Gay icon? Nah,
he's like a fun boy icon. He's still a icon's
he's an icon, but just feminist icon. Yeah. I don't
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even know where to begin with this movie. This is
like a weird one to discuss because Barbara is i'd say,
plays just as active as a role as Adam does. Yeah,
but they're not what's they're not like and I don't know,
but they're the emotional they're like the emotional connection to
the movie. You want them to not turn into dust. Right. Yeah, there,
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I would argue, like dual protagonists, there's like not one
more than the other that sort of has like the
main focal point. I see like they're playing pretty equal parts,
although I feel like Alec Baldwin's character is maybe a
little bit more active because he's the one who like
figures out you have to draw the door, and he's
the one who's like doing more to try to read
the book and try to figure out the situation. They're
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both doing like haunting stuff in equal parts. But I
feel like, yeah, if you break it down, like if
we did like a dialogue breakdown for this one, for sure,
Alec Baldwin would edge give us out. But then at
the end we get the big feminist icon big snake,
and so it really says the day. So that's that's good. Yeah,
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that's true because Adam just like gets in a little
car and drives it into Bele Juice foot that. Yeah,
jumps are so many fun goofs. But yeah, it's true.
Like so Gina David's character kind of safe to day.
She goes and she harnesses the feminist icon big snake,
that's what leads to beetlejuices. Denise. Yeah, I thought she
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was kind of like responsive, you know, responsible for the
big end. Let's talk about Lydia, Okay, okay, kind of
like I had to follow up thought and I okay,
So I was looking up because once I was like
watching clips, I was like, oh, for sure, there's a
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million shitty like listicles about how Lydia is a feminist icon,
and there are They're all so funny, like my favorite one.
I found one that was called nine times Lydia deats
was a nineties feminist hero. First of all, this movie
came out, you fucking idiot, and sorry for calling out
(33:53):
this Bustle writer, but Bustles like corporate feminism and I
don't care. So anyways, they're like Lydia is a feminist
because she's weird, is a feminist because she doesn't wear
primary colors. She's a little bit different. So I struggle
with Lydia. Granted, when I was younger, I thought she
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was the coolest person ever, but I do, like, I
think that she's just like a weird Tim Burton jerk off,
like fantasy girl, and and she's acting I mean, like
as a character. She's she's active and kind of I
can't even really think of an example of like what
anything that she does that really influences the direction the
story takes, or like, well, she becomes like their connection
(34:38):
to the world, so she's sort of like they're right,
But I think she's mostly there to just be like
what's confusing? Well, not that any of these characters feel
like real people, except for Feminist, Like I'm so sorry,
we all know apart from him, everyone's a very like
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tim Burton esque version of a person. But Lydia especially
felt one dimensional. And it's just like, oh, she's like
a teen, a struggling teen, and she's moody but also
suicidal all of a sudden, and it's like, yeah, she's
like bring me, Like what are you talking about? She's
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a problem, right, I mean it's like a very weird
depiction of like mental illness. Certain I don't like, it's
just it was bizarre that choice. Yeah, I don't. I
think she's just like she falls into that same buget
that we talked about over and over and over. It's
just like she's not like the other girls, but she
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is because she's still conventionally attractive so it's just like
I don't know Tim Burton's version of that very boring
constant in movies. Yeah, she's different. She's like the equivalent
of Julia Roberts fixing a car and my best friend wedding,
like oh, any woman, nay or runaway right, I don't know, Like, yeah,
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I still think that she has the best hair in
the entire world and however happens, and I still want
to be her, but it also feels like a trick thought.
I feel like the only the only big part of
like feminist incap he Mike literally texted me several hours
ago and requested that I asked to be called it
(36:27):
the entire time, but I'll take it this. But I
think the only part where where Lydia's character is like
really part of the storyline is right at the end
when they're like about to die and Beetlejuice is there
and Adam and Barbara both like, we have to save
this little girl, and it's also like, well, is she
not that little? It was like weird that they like
(36:47):
that they like, I don't know, categorize her as like
this little girl's like, well, she's like a teenager, and
but I don't know, but it was. Yeah, her character
is very like the more I thought about it was
more like she's just always like watch out coming and
she says like there to tell Adam and Barba that
her parents are walking up the stairs. That's kind of
what her character does. She could be written out of
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this movie except for the last beat, where like she
becomes relevant to the plot only when she's being forced
to marry a corpse like which I've found it interesting
that she didn't try to put up more of a fight,
like because he was just like we're getting married, and
she's like, well, I think he like casts some weird spell.
Like she was like trying to say no and like
(37:33):
you maybe say his name and he like cast that
weird spell on her and then he was talking through
yeah yeah, oh yeah, but yeah. Yeah. There's in that
whole scene it's kind of jarring to watch because there's
so many like people taking two steps and then be like, hey,
don't do that. I'm like keep walking, what do you do?
(37:55):
Stop the wedding? But they stand in place and then
be able just like IM gonna put a steel plant
in your mouth. Like there's there's there was some yeah,
all someone has to do is say, just reatle juice,
which is people they can't like it takes some decades
to do it. The stairs one, okay, let's try and
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one two more times and then and then he gets them.
He gets them with his weirders that we don't know
the rules. I'm now we sure don't. The scene where
he makes Lydia try to guess his name is out
of control because he immediately shows that he's like, all right,
I'll show you, let's play shards. And then he shows
her a beetle and she goes beetle and then he
(38:37):
shows her orange juice, and she goes for breakfast like
I would immediately be like bug, like I wouldn't go
do exactly what kind of bug it was, and then
not know what And great product placement to Mini made
you gotta listen, who else is gonna pay for those
big spikes and snakes other than made orange juice? Who's
(38:58):
gonna make beetle juice? Pointy, you got to ask the
big business questions. Yeah, that movie is definitely in the
pocket of Big Orange. Feminist ion Big Orange. Every time,
every time Bald juices on the screen, there's a very
gratuitous use of like fun sound effects. There's a literal
(39:21):
boying at one plane. There's a boy in this movie.
It does was like a high amount of Danny Elfman strings.
I love Danny Elfman score. Though, Oh Boy, Spiderman, Spider
Man and Men in Black Wild and several. Back to
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School is a really good one. I've never seen the movie.
I don't think it would fare very well on this
podcast most movies, but I think it's a good movie.
I guess like the main points I have for the
movie is that, like it's weird that most of the
time you just see beetle Juice on screen he is
sexually assaulting one of the female characters or forcing them
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well the whole thing. So and then and then like
in a stanker like he's just veryone's like a beetle Juice.
It's what he does. He's gonna hunk your boob. He
come up and he's gonna hunk you. And that's what
beetle Juice does. And everyone's like that's not cool, and
he's like, I'm gonna do well. It's all about complacentness
and the beetle Well, so the reason that he needs
(40:30):
Lydia to marry him. Is that he's like, I'm kind
of like a tourist. He's basically needs like a green card.
But it seems like he, well, we don't understand the
rules of this world very well. Yeah, whatever needs because
he can be summoned and he can like live among
these people. So what does he want exactly? Does he
want to be able to like live among the living
(40:53):
like what? Anyway? Sometimes it just sounds like I'm bored
and I would rather not be here. Yeah, I think
he wants to get out, just like wreak havoc on
the world. Look up more skirts. There's so many skirts
down in the world, that's true. Lots of skirts to
pick up for this old scap, my dad says before
(41:15):
the house. Every more, I just remember somebody's skirts to
peak up out there for this old scaph god. Anyway. Yeah,
so he's just like, I gotta marry this teenage girl.
Why doesn't he try to marry Barbara or some interesting criticism? Yeah,
well why not? Why not? Why not? Kately? Why isn't he?
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I think when he first is brought out, he immediately
asked Alec Baldwin if his marriage is going well, that's true,
he's closing. But the thing is Beetle Juice. You know
he wants to lock it down, isn't He's rude. I
think Beetlejuice is. Beetlejuice is the original pickup artist. I
think he started of negging people mystery from the TV
(42:04):
show Pickup Artists. One of the feminist Nine Reasons nineties icon.
Beetle Juice is a is a feminist pickup artist. He
uses your voice to marry you. Yeah, he takes away
your voice and speaks for you. He did not lip
sink that very well either, because, like Michael Keaton has
(42:25):
a lot of skills, I don't know if lip sinking
is one of them. He's amazing in this movie. He's
so good, he's it's great. There's never I feel like
this movie could only work with Michael Keaton as the character.
I feel like most other people are so like he's
so charming that you're like, oh, Beetle Juice, you scamp.
But if it was like someone else to be like,
(42:46):
this guy needs to go to demon jail wherever. Oh yeah,
your test, the Steve Bushey test test. I don't know.
I think you might be able to do it. I
don't know. To play Beetle Juice like not, it wouldn't
be the same. But I think you could have done Yeah,
Billina could not do this part. I think a lot
of Michael Keaton's lines were yeah, that's true, if you wanted.
(43:09):
I'm gonna be honest with you. I still don't know
who he is. Shut up, I don't know who he is.
I feel sick you've seen because I don't have I seen.
I don't know. I mean, if I've seen Spiderman shift,
do you have you've seen Beetle Juice two hundreds? I
mean two hundred might be an exaggeration, but I've seen
a lot. And I have seen Spider Man too, probably
zero times. It's a classic. I sew Spider Man three weird.
(43:35):
That's bad. That was a bad one. Son. In the theater,
the dancing is really I love the dancing. And over grace,
where's that guy? He's probably trying to find the rest
of his name. Where's Haley Joelasmand? There? Actually I know
Jabs the Coole days ago. Haley Joelasmand was near a
herd of cattle, and it's like, where are you? Can
(43:58):
I come? I'm so Scara heard of cattle. Recently, I
was in Pennsylvania visiting my mom, and there's I saw llamas,
I saw cows, I saw horses just in field around.
I didn't we were not at the same cow field.
And I guess what's the point. I know, Hey, let's
talk about whether this movie passes the Bechel tests. Yeah, yeah,
(44:20):
is and yeah, let's talk about it or yeah, isn't yet?
Does I think it does? I think it does too,
It does. Yeah. I was really keeping an eye out.
I was like, I picked this and I really hope
it does. Everything's riding on this. Yeah, and it does.
And right away, like the Jane Butterfield character comes up
to the house and she's like, I found a family
(44:40):
who wants to buy this from you, and Da da da,
and she's like, go away, Jane. There's a lot of Yeah,
there's a lot of like it passes a lot of
times for a movie that has prominent scab man skirt peak,
Teenager is an undead sexual assailant, just to prove that
(45:01):
it is a flawed system because it passes many times. Yeah,
Like every time Barbara and Juno talk, right, it's like
they're just talking about like you gotta be better at
being dead whatever she talks about throat. Yeah, if you
look up that actress, young, total hottie. Yeah, I want
to know. I wonder what the woman who works behind,
(45:24):
like the woman who plays the receptionist in the one
who's like, too bad, I slip my rest. Yeah, yeah,
my little accident, and I want to I should have
looked up who that is because I was like, you're
like fun. Yeah. And then there's a lady who's like
saw it in half. You see her torso sitting and
then is her legs Yeah, and Beetle Juice tries to
(45:47):
grab her leg and then her top half slaps him. Yeah,
so he's not doing great. Yeah yeah, but she's she's
she's only only womanho stuck up for herself in this
movie against Beetle Geese until he gets eaten by feminist iconpics.
It's crazy to just see like two feminist icons in
the same scene together and one gets eaten by Also
(46:09):
scenes where Lydia talks to her step mom and sees
where Barbara talks to Lydia a lot of times like
there are men in the room when that happens, but
it's like isolated conversations between two women that passed its handily.
I feel like if you had a dialogue breakdown, I
think there might in this movie. It might be that
women talk more than men, because I feel like there's
(46:32):
more prominent female characters in the in the movie, Like
the male characters that like have a bunch of lines
are Alec Baldwin, the Dad, and Otho and Beetle Juice
probably is behind all of them because he's barely there.
And then it's like because then you have like big,
like big monologues from Juno. You have the lady in
(46:52):
the reception, and then you have like Barbara and Catherine
O'Hara and Lydia like all yeah, and you have like
all the people from the party, but none of them
really talk. They'll just kind of like to sit there.
And then that was me to that woman that he
brought for some reason, like so much we didn't really. Yeah,
(47:12):
I hated him as a kid as a kid because
I was like he's trying to ruin the house that
these people love. And then now I'm like he's like
a funny character. He's fun he's a great dancer. There's
a scene where Lydia is talking to something about ghosts,
and then Delia is like, my agent Bernard is coming
for the dinner party, not to be confused with Bernard
(47:35):
Bernard from Spider Man Too. I really got to watch this.
I'll describe it to you. There's this great seed that
James Franco's in in Spider Man Too, where they're trying
to replicate the magic between Batman and his butler Michael Caine,
but it's James Frego and his butler Bernard and Bernard Enters.
(47:58):
It's the only line he had in the whole movie.
He's out of focus and he says, so your father
only obsessed over his work, right, Yeah, And then James
Franco said, good night Bernard, who James Franco play in
Spider Man Harry best best friend. But it's complicated because
(48:21):
he's Spider Man. Let's talk about anyways, what if Spider
Man starting? It's complicated. Another Alex Balban joint. One of
the only movies my father has ever talked to me about.
It's a movie about divorce. What do you think is
going to yeah? Just yeah. When you get divorced, all
you want to do is see other media about divorce.
(48:42):
You know, you'd like to see yourself and the things
you watch. It's complicated, so he only watches it's complicated
and Blue Crush, Yeah, the surf moviescing No, I think
he's just like Surfing's great. Hey, let's write the movie
on our nipple scale. Okay, so we write the movie
(49:02):
on a scale of zero to five nipples based on
its portrayal of women. So I'm going to give it.
Oh Man, again, this is a tough one. I mean,
just thinking back to all the discourse we had about Scabby,
Come my daughter. Yes, the guy who's like a tonic
(49:25):
sales means like Scabby, come here to tell you about
this new Tonic I've made up. Don't come and just scare.
I'm sorry I brought it up again. He's a little
bit on the nose of the sales. I'm gonna give it,
I guess two and a half nipples because there are
(49:47):
a lot of pretty significant roles for women. They're all
mostly playing a pretty active role in the story and
the narrative to like move it forward, I'd say probably
just as much as any of the male characters. Is
concerning to me that pretty much anytime build juices on screen,
he is sexually assaulting the nearest female character, and while
(50:09):
the other characters are like, oh, you're a pervert, he's gross,
he's bad us as a as a society, or like,
he's funny, he's funny, he's fine. I like him. His
penis looks like it's pretty much just us. But now
we've put that question on Oh my god, they're so okay,
(50:30):
look it up. Okay. So yeah, So two and a
half nipples, just because I'm not really sure what to
make of this movie, and the nipples belong to the
dog that they have to avoid crashing into dog them
the dog that kills them, and they have to swerve
to miss the dog, and they crash and go over
a bridge. So that dog, which I'm guessing has eight nipples,
(50:54):
because if a dog is anything like a cat, it
has eight nipples. This has been cat facts with Caitlin.
So two and a half nipples, and they belonged to
the shaggy dog that dog killed them. He was on
a board that was holding up the car and then
he jumped off, and that just proves my point that
I've made over the years that every dog is rude.
(51:16):
I'm pretty sure that fall would not have killed it.
Was such a short fall. Yeah, it was like I've
jumped off of things into water that high and I'm
still here. Yeah, they could have escaped that car. Yeah
they don't. I don't believe that they died. I just
think they didn't want to live anymore. They just they
hit the water and they immediately were like, well, we've
(51:38):
resigned to this now. Guys in this field guicerratic fan
fiction I've been reading while you've been having this conversation.
He's referred to as beach. Beach just eyes buled out
of his head at the look of Lydia's corset. Oh,
I want him to big snake. I wanted to have
(52:00):
sex with big him. Yeah. Yeah, goes stir right through
beetle juice, but beetle juice exploded spikes, which is the
way that he comes. Okay, I'm gonna give it. Sorry,
that was like a very intense fan fact. Well link it,
(52:20):
Lincoln description this disgusting fan fiction. Just kidding, Okay, I'm
going to give it. I'm gonna give it to I'm
gonna give it two nippies for for all the reasons
you described. But it's I don't know, like I wish
Jeanne Davis's character was more active. I think that mine
is the end. You could totally write out when on
(52:40):
a writer out of this movie and it would not
make that much of a difference. There are a lot
of female characters, but not all of them are important
enough to the plot. Be Juice feminist icon though, and
that's important. It's I mean, at the end of the day,
we got a feminist icon out of this movie, and
what more could you ask for? Well, part, I mean
(53:04):
the movie if you isolate the conflict, which is that
they don't want these people in their house. They need
Beetle Juices help, but as soon as they get it,
they don't want it anymore. And then it's like a
matter of getting rid of I don't know, like all
over the place. Yeah, the story is I think the
problem was like maybe because the female characters aren't as
like active as we'd like them to be. Is because
(53:24):
like the narrative is bananas and like not that well constructed. Yeah,
you heard it here first from Caitlin and her really
good opinions. Do you have two degrees? I have two
degrees in one of them is a master's in screen
running from Boston university. Uh, all of you who are
like show us your degree. I don't have to show
you anything. I have nine degrees. No, I don't believe
(53:49):
you believe me. All of them are in film. I
got them from various universities, nine different ones. To be exact,
I went to college. So I'm gonna give this. It's hard.
From zero to five. I feel like three is too generous,
(54:09):
but I want to say three because I feel like
most of the male characters are in the movie are
very passive, like other than wanting to turn to buy
the whole town and turn it into an amusement park
the Confines of Death. Yeah, but just like I mean,
like but like the Father, he literally just like sits
(54:29):
in a room for most of the of the movie.
So like, yeah, the conflict is that, like Delia wants
to like redo the house. So it's like I think
it's kind of her push. She's pushing the conflict more
way more than he is. But other than that, it's like, yeah,
I think like Barbara and Adam are like very even.
(54:52):
It's kind of like he is kind of like being like,
oh did you draw the door and knock on it?
But She's like we got to read the book, like
she's like pushing for them to do the stuff. So
it's like, I feel like it's pretty even, and I
feel like, really the movie is a vehicle for Tim
Burton painting people's faces with scabs. I feel like it's
mostly that and mostly him building little tiny models of towns.
(55:15):
Tiny head, feminist icon, tiny head feminist icon, feminist icon,
woman's legs. There's a lot of feminist icons in this movie.
This Woman of Hollywood literally feminist icon. Football team. There's
so many team and I'm gonna I'm gonna so I'm
(55:36):
gonna say three because I because you never know and
it's never said, And I'm just gonna say that big
Snake is a woman what very easily could be No
what you know what? You can't tell just by looking
at him. Who are you giving your nipples to? I'm
going to put those three nipples on, but two fur
eyes and then one in the middle of the head. Okay, yeah, snake, Yeah,
(56:01):
my my nipples are penises and their beel juice, And
I think we should end the episode. Can my nipples
be the nipples of the woman in total recall that
has three boobs? Okay, well you know it's always great
to ask yes because I sent this ramission. So Mike,
(56:22):
thank you so much for being here. You for doing this.
Where can people find you online? I'm at Michael Brucey
on all the social media and I have a website
micro dot com that I have never updated, so it's pointless.
But it is made on Wicks. I knew it, and
it's free, and it tells you that it's made on
Wicks because I'm not going to pay money for it
(56:42):
to not say that I knew it, of course. And
shout out to Lave who are recording for us. What's
the name of your podcast network again? The brain Machine
Network to brain Machine Comedy dot com. Hell yeah, gotta
check out brain Machine Comedy dot com. Although Mike did
suggest that it should be rebrand it is life Little Podcast.
I think you should be called this little Podcast. I'm
(57:03):
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Quick update. I don't have Mike's hard that's on me,
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I was in Boston last night and I met this person,
probably the worst person I've ever met, but his name
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if he knew what the Bechdel test was, and he
asked if that was a standardized test because he because
he was in the Harvard Business School zone. So anyways,
I got to see a man really at his lowest
last night, and it felt like a really good way
to come in here. Yeah, that's encouraging. No, I get
(02:59):
exactly what you mean. And if you are like Kevin
and you don't know what the Bechtel test is, we're
here to tell you. It's a test that you apply.
Thank you you handed out that whole story keeping it.
If you don't know what the Bechtel test is, it's
a test that you apply to movies or TV shows
or anything with a story. It requires that two women
(03:20):
in the story talk to each other. They also have
to have names, and their conversation has to be about
something other than a male. Yeah, and we've explained it
on every episode of our podcast, So yeah, I suppose
there's a couple we missed. But people yellous when we
don't say the right things at the right times, and
I remember and it hurts my feelings. I forgot to
(03:40):
talk about cat facts last time, so we're not to
talk about Alfred mill, which is like, I don't I
barely believe that, but it's possible. In any case. We
have a guest, as we always do, we have a guest.
So our guest today he's a delight. He lives in Actually,
(04:01):
it's totally makes sense that you love this movie because
this is such a loud, obnoxious, long Island style movie.
On am I allowed to shut up? Okay, he's got
a podcast. It's called TV Casualty. It's on what network
Machine shout out to life. It's my Hi, Hi. I
(04:25):
think we should address this. We're sitting beside each other.
It feels it's weird. I don't want to make eye
contact with Mike. I'd rather kill myself. But he's right,
they're so happy to be here. We're doing a bad
job as hosts and I'm being an exceptional guest. Well,
(04:49):
let's talk about the movie, which is Beetlejuice. And you
picked this movie. Why did you pick this movie? What's
your history with it? How many times have you seen it?
Let's see, I've probably seen this movie to hunt times,
like a lot. It was like it was like a
big movie of my childhood. I liked it. I would
rent it from the library pretty often. You were like
(05:10):
watching Beetle Juice in Long Island, just sitting just sitting
on the couch in my parents house, just loving Beetle Juice,
eating a bunch of dorrito's, really having a good time
to do a young one on a rider. Of course,
every day, every day is a day that I am
trying hard not to get the Winona Forever tattoo that
(05:32):
Johnny had every day of my life. I have a
friend named Sammy who has that tattoo. There is it
Winona because Johnny has Wino for every change, which also
like doesn't bode well with this current persona, Like it's
just you can't win with that tattoo. Also, he's a
coward for getting it removed. Just live with it. Yeah,
(05:52):
I covered up what is forever. Time is a construct.
That's true, You're right, but yeah, probably the first time
I probably saw it was probably like six or seven,
because I was like, this is like kids movie. It
seems fun. And then the first time I thought, I
was like, I don't know, it looks like like you'd think, yeah,
you'd think, but it's not. That's kind of the Tim
(06:12):
Burton thing, where like everything looks like a kid's movie,
but it also makes you feel very uncomfortable for a while,
as like like Edward scissor Hands maybe feel very uncomfortable
as a child until I realized what it was. I
was very horny for Edward sussor Hands. Yeah, well I
don't share that sentiment, but I liked that movie a
lot for at least some span of time. I haven't
(06:34):
seen it in a while. It's a crier, it's a
sad one. You're gonna feel things, you're gonna be you're
gonna feel compassionate, you're gonna real light with a white man.
It's going to be confusing every seas. The hand is
very hot. Well, that movie. That movie, and I think
Beetle Juice also, and probably a lot of Tim Burton
movies don't make any sense. No, yeah, I okay, we'll
(06:56):
get into it. I don't like Beetle Juice. The movie
very much feminist, psychon feminist, feminist. One of my problems,
one of my several problems with the movie Beetle Juice,
is that he's so grotesque to look at that he's
too hot. I didn't like scabs all over his Forehead's
(07:17):
right now, you know what? That kind of makes sense
why Jamie likes him covered covered in scabs. He has
one suit, pinch stripes, he eats bugs, He's a disgusting pervert.
He has no respect for women. This is like my
(07:37):
kind of guy. Yeah, but mostly a time, mostly the scabs.
It's mostly the scabs and the like pancake face facial makeup.
Well when did you foresee it? I would guess like
early teens. I've seen it maybe four or five times. Yeah,
and I like, I don't know what. It seems like
the kind of movie that I would like, really really
get into. But I think I avoided it after a
(07:59):
while because I didn't want to get looped in with
the hot topic kids. I wanted to be a hot
topic kid. But I like, unlike other clicks, that I
tried to ingratiate myself into a k the anime kids
who rejected me heartily, the Juggalos who rejected me heartily.
But there are a family. They're not for me. Not
(08:20):
if you have a back brace and you can't play
Hacky Sack. Juggals. I know the Juggalos. I know, like
you had to be able to play Hacky Sack. If
you were physically not able to play Hacky Sack, that's
the one thing that would mean you can't be seen
so many pictures of Juggalos who definitely couldn't play Hacky Sack.
These ones very accepting. They were very accepting people. They
(08:42):
really are, Like there's a they did, like a march
for a quality. Anyways, there's a documentary about feminism at
the gathering of the Juggalos. I didn't know what a
Juggler was until I was like twenty eight, Like, well
that's wild, yeah, so be it. When I saw it.
I remember being on the TV when I was like
(09:05):
probably six and only remembering the image of like that
stripy worm like going through the sand, and that was
the only thing I remember about it, And I don't
think I saw it since then until a couple of
days ago when I watched it to prep for this episode,
So I like lived my life thing. Yeah, I know
about Beetle Juice. I've seen it and I know the
(09:26):
things about it. And it turns out I don't like
I hadn't and like I said, I don't like it
that much. Uh sorry, everyone, but I have reasons and
they're good. So okay, I forgot about who is in
(09:47):
Beetle Juice. I forgot. I totally forgot Alec Baldwin's and
Beetle Juice. And he looked the hottest he's ever. God's
it's it's everything's tight, doesn't have the right color. Isn't
that big gallon of milkheady as a now he looks,
(10:09):
Oh god, skinny head. And and I love Gina Davis
out of control. She's good and Winona didn't remember her
being in it, didn't remember Katherine o. Harriby kills in
Wanna Want To. I can't think of a movie that's
worse for her being there. Oh wait, she makes everything better,
(10:31):
she makes everything great. She's amazing. And then the guy
who plays her husband in that movie is in my
favorite Tim Burton movie. I don't remember the actor's name,
but he's in Sleepy Hollow, which that is my favorite.
It's good, you know, it's Johnny Depp being Johnny Depp,
which turns out as a piece of ship. But it's
(10:53):
a great it's a fun little thing. He was the
principal in Ferris Bueller. Oh okay, I saw that movie
just the other day. Jeffrey Jones is the actor's name?
Was here? There was an actor who I believe was
recently in the last couple of years, definitely arrested for
some sort of child crime the podcast Love Perverted. I
(11:20):
don't want to say it was him, but I feel
like it was him. Okay, well, what's his name again,
Jeffrey Jones? Continue to talk? I need to know. Okay,
Well should I do the recap? Sure? Yeah, what's it about? Well,
my favorite movie, Beetle Juice is about beetle juice. And
if you had to say that three times on beetle Juice,
(11:41):
beetle jice, and then he does the cute I love him.
So okay. Beetle Juice centers around a married couple, Adam
and Barbara Maitland, which if I were to marry Adam
or Barbara Maitland. My name would be okayln Maitland, so
(12:03):
I might do that observation. Thank you so much. So.
Adam is played by Alec Baldwin and Barbara is Gina Davis.
And they're living in this house and they love their house.
They built a model of the town in their attic
and they're having a great time and they go out
to the store and then they fall off a bridge.
(12:25):
They crash off of a bridge and die. Uh. And
it takes them a while to figure out that they've died.
But they're back in their house and they're like, wait
a minute, what's this book? The handbook for the recently deceased.
They're still hot, they're not gross, ugly, scabby ghosts like
beetle juices. They're still cute because he's the ghost with
(12:46):
the most So they start to piece together that they
are dead and that their ghosts, and this new family
moves in and that's and confirmed the sex offender. Oh no,
(13:07):
Katherine Hair and the sex offender coming to the CBS. Yeah,
he's a sex offender too. Well. Misbehaving bad. That's that's
why I say to all sex offenders bad, no misbehaving,
that's bad. Slap on the wrist for you. Basically, that's
what happened. He had to go to he had to
(13:28):
go to counseling and then just be like, Hi, I'm
respected actor, you know, disgraced human Jeffrey Jones, I'm a
sex offender. Isn't that always the way it? Actually? Ever
come to your door and been like, I'm a sex offender. No,
that's never happened to me. I feel like there were
I mean, for sure, there are a ton of sex
offenders in my neighborhood, and like, who's checking to make
(13:50):
sure that they tell you? I don't know, right, there
should be like a case goes along with them to like,
but then you never, like they're always well, I don't know,
I never. As soon as we got the Internet, my
mom was obsessed with sex offender like listings to find
out how close they were to the house, or how
close they were to the school. Grinder for we got
(14:14):
one point two miles away. Let's see what's going on.
The sex offender and Katherine O'Hara, their characters have a
daughter and that's when you want to ride her. And
she's she's got black, She's not like the other girls.
She's got different, she's different, and they move in and
Adam and Barbara are like, no, this is our house,
(14:36):
don't move in. And then so they try to hunt
them and scare them as they can't leave the house
right because they yeah, the rule is established for whatever
reasons that they cannot leave their house. So they try
to scare the diets is who move in, and that
doesn't work. So then they go to this like afterlife
waiting room, which is love the waiting tiny head, tiny head,
(15:04):
tiny head has got it going on, my man. Yeah,
shoulders on that tiny headed guy. It's I mean, it
really brings out how tiny his head is. Shoulders very
highlight this side. So they go and they're like, hey,
we need help. So they meet with this caseworker Juno,
(15:25):
and she's like, you guys, gotta be simple, be a
simple ghost to do some simple hauntings. So then they
try again to haunt them and scare them out of
the house and that doesn't work, and then they meet
the daughter went on a writer's characters. Here's the thing
about her. She's different at different. Her name is Lydia.
She's a god. She's got insane bangs and I hate them.
(15:47):
Oh come they're pointy. They're fine pointy band, They're very
point She looks sharp. She's a sharp looking kid. There's
a lot of the whole movie has a lot of
sharp looking elements in it. Yeah. Do you re the
scene where Beals juices horny and but then he's also
sharp when the spikes scir out of his body? Yeah,
(16:09):
I think that's fun and that's fun. We horn you
just get very sharp. Yeah, that's literally there's Yeah, Beals
juices so horny. Yeah, but like literally covered in horns.
He's covered. Yeah, and he's horny. Do you see it?
What I'm doing? I get it. I get it. Let
me explained further. So, um, then they meet Lydia, and
(16:35):
Lydia is like wait, I can see you guys, and
they're like holy ship. So they like befriend Lydia, but
they still hate Lydia's parents, so they're still trying to
get them out. And then they hear about Beetle Juice. Well,
because the Catherine O'Hara is the stepmom who's who are
always evil. Stepmoms are bad. We've stepparents in general are
bad in movies in real life. I don't I don't
(16:56):
have any stepparents. It's like, calm down, Yeah, this is
what I dis rail gets my dad's girlfriend. Five minutes,
Katherine O'Hara and her her interior designer friend I Love Him,
are are going through the house and talking about which
parts they want to tear down. That's when yeah, they're like,
we gotta call this Beetle Geiss dude. Oh yeah, And
(17:18):
then they figure out how to summon him. When you
have to call his name out three times, they figure
it out, and then they go to his like little
he's like in hanging out in a cemetery. They have
to dig him up out of his grave. On the
pomp and circumstances with Juice. Coming out of the grave,
he's yelling, he looks like he stinks. I love the
commercial he has for himself. Yeah, the little song he
(17:40):
sings at the end, Yeah beautiful. I'm not going to
sing the song. Okay, I didn't sing the song. Oh
I want to sing the song probably. Now you know what?
It is crazy that Michael Keaton is Batman the year
after Beetle Juice. It's wild right right, Like he's acting
like the Joker this entire They know a man who
can anchor a series. That's what they know. They go,
(18:03):
this is the face of our movie. Is yeah, even
though beetle Juice, the character is in the movie Beetle
Juice for seventeen minutes, it's yeah, where is Beetlejuice? That
for most of the he's not introduced on screen like
in the flash if you will, in his scabby flesh
until forty five minutes into the movie. That's my main complaint.
More be more feminist. It's crazy how little beetle Juice
(18:27):
is in the movie Beetle Juice. It's it's like it's
like they're like, oh, we had this movie Forrest Gump.
Let's follow Jenny around for like a long time. Honestly,
would have been a more interesting We're coming for We're
coming for four this I'm serious though, Jenny, she was
sucking a bunch of dudes. What was Forrest Gump doing?
(18:49):
He ran across the country, he met the president, he
played Ping Pong real good. He uh, he fights in
a war in the boring. But if not for the
movie for Us Gump, we would not have Bubba Gump
Strip Company, the restaurant. And I think that that is
(19:09):
the most important contribution it's made to that's the culture
that we have. I could seriously go for some Bubba
gup right now. I'm always going to choose my favorite restaurant, Hooters,
over anything else. Shout out to Hooters, my former place
of employment as a delivery driver. Shout out to Hooters.
All right, let me finish the recap of Beetle Juice
(19:31):
and then we can do other things. So they consult
with Beetle Juice and they find out that he's a pervert,
like within seconds, and they're like, oh, actually, we don't
want to meet with this guy. But he looks Davis's
skirt like three seconds after they meet. The first thing
he does is like he kisses her. Whenever He's just like,
he's another surprise kiss. We'll get into it, but we
(19:52):
have a grand legacy of surprise gisses. I would say
that kiss still is not worse than bread, which way worse. Yes,
is the worst surprise because we've ever talked about on
this podcast. It's horrific. I think he's Beetle Juice over
the top, taking the head in that movie he lunch. No,
(20:12):
at least he's not covered in scabs. First of all,
I would preferred be covered in scabs for all of them.
No one seen him for a while. He could be
covered in scabs. Now we just don't know. Oh he's now,
he's around. I keep track of the he's around. Are
they filming blasts in the past two? No. There, they
make a scar face, but it's not scar face, it's
(20:34):
scab face and it starts breaded pressure. Yes, good idea,
thank you so much. So anyway, they were like, wow, funk,
we can't work with this beetle juice guy. He's a
gross pervert. And then the family the deets Is find
out about the ghosts the Maitlands and they're like, oh,
(20:56):
we're going to exploit them, and like have it be
a whole We're gonna have like a little museum. People
can come and look at the all the ghosts. It
almost becomes a roller coaster movie. Oh yeah, but it doesn't.
But then it doesn't, and then it's a roller coaster
opportunity Jesus. After that, after they find out and they
want to exploit, and they invite all their friends up
(21:17):
from New York City and then they have the dancing,
a dancing dancing everyone and that party is dressed to
the Nines. It's always amazing to me, no matter what
movie it happens in where people dress up to go
to someone else's house. It's just like, in what world
would I I mean, I mean, I want you to
(21:39):
a jacket, but your best in a tuxedo. Mike, you
you came like looking nice. You know, you had like
a top layer. Now you're in your your your fun
vegan punk layer. And I did not come on this
podcast to be disrespected like this. There's a story every
(22:00):
if it tells his story. Yeah, no, I'm kidding, it's closed.
Is your story? Woke up outside, I'm gonna go over
us in the bathroom. My head somehow slept in a
tree top. Um. So the next thing that happens, and
(22:22):
the job is the details are trying to exploit Adam
and Barbara. Otho now has the book, the Handbook for
the Recently Deceased, and he like, does this spell or
something to like summon them, and so he summons Adam
and Barbara. But they get all like weird and old
and they start decaying and stuff. So they're like crape right,
(22:45):
and then Lydia is like, oh ship, I need this
beetle juice guy's help to fix everything and incomes the
big problem. You mean when he forces a teenage girl
to marry him. Okay, the first of all, First he
turned into a big snake, which I've come for your daughter,
Come for your daughter, chuck, which is a beautiful line.
(23:07):
And he said it to a perfect like it's why Yeah,
a fake perfect says it to a real purpose. That's
just a little bit of movie magic. Yeah, that's just
something you can only get in the Burton verse. But yeah,
that the wedding scene is it's crazy how every like
everything about it is a big old problem and it's
still so much fun. Where he's forcing a teenager to
(23:31):
marry him is actively like kind of like shoving her
around it and being like and then and then whenever
Gina Davis tries to speak, he puts a zipper on
her mouth. He put Yeah, it's every frame a woman
is in that scene is just like insane. Yeah, Gena
Davis is arc in that scene. Goes zipper on the mouth,
(23:53):
metal plate over the mouth, sent to the desert, attacked
by a giant snack. It really ramps up quickly. It's
heightening baby rule of threes. So then I mean beetle
Juice is the rule of three is taken to the
extreme feminist icon. Beetle juice. Yeah. So the Maitlands are like, no,
we can't let him marry this teenage girl. So they
(24:16):
find a way to stop him. Very cool wedding dress on.
He's not like the other else duh marion suit. Yeah,
and then they're like, no, we don't marry each other.
And they save Lydia from being married to a pervert.
And then Beetle Juice, I forget what happens to him
at the end. He gets the waiting room. He gets uh,
(24:39):
because they come back. Barbara comes back on the big
sandworm snake and it crashes through the ceiling and feminist icon,
the big snake, feminist icon, big snake. Right. And then
at the end, the Maitlands and the Diets has learned
to coexist. They just live in a hat in the house. Altogether.
(25:02):
It's one big, happy family. That's the weirdest part. That's
that's the weirdest part of the movie Commune. Not not
that hundred and something you're all dead man tries to
marry a teenager, or that a worm is a big
plot point, but that these people are like, yeah, well,
let these ghosts raise our child because they're like, how
do you do on the math? It's another big fun scene. Yeah,
(25:26):
and then yeah is up, yeah, up on the wires
and dancing. That's great. So that's this story. Beetles live
with them. It's weird that he's the it's weird that
he's the villain of the movie and he's barely in
the movie, and it's like you're never rooting for him,
and he's the title character. And yeah, like it's part
(25:47):
of why this movie is a bit confusing to me. No,
I understand it a hundred percent. Yeah, well you're you're sick,
perfect with a lot of problems. Listen, it took me
a while to peel off the s off on my face.
Let me just say, we're usually not this mean to
our guest. So sorry, No, I've seen this is You
(26:08):
should see what I've been subjected to in this room.
It would I also Mike said it looked like I
woke up in a tree. True, okay, No, I said
it looked like you slept in a tree. I woke
up out of the tree. Yeah, you fell out anyway,
So have I described Jamie's clothes as quote bought by
the Pound before that was that. I think about that
(26:31):
like one. That's fine. It all right, let's talk about
the portrayal of women about in this room. Let's start
with this room. I think Caitlin's great, thank you, but
I'm not. You're so the main female character is Barbara,
(26:54):
and then we've also got Lydia and Delia is the stepmother,
and then we have a few like secondary characters like
Juno is the caseworker who has her throat slit open
and smoke comes out of it. That's a funny. I
love her in the football team together, Oh yeah, that's
great when they keep calling our coach. And then Jane
(27:15):
Butterfield is like the neighbor who's like trying to get
them to sell the house. And then as far as
feminist iconic, who I would say he transcends gender, I
would say the bel Juice is definitely genderless, genderless icon No,
(27:38):
in all seriousness, he's a man, and he's a horny
man and oh god, I don't even know. Of course,
I pictured like very like painted white with a bunch
of green scabs all over it. I have to change
my under to script in Okay is it too much
(28:03):
to say that. I bet you he comes scabs. That
too much to say. So that's the perfect in regards
to coming scabs. So there's beetle Juice in there. Sounds
day in my head. It's like hitting open a beehive
with a bat. Let's quit. Beetle Juice is in the
(28:29):
movie for like twenty minutes. He's usually sexually assaulting a
woman in some way kind of a thing. Yeah, yeah,
at very least he's presented as a gross, horny dude. True,
but we're not supposed to be rooting for him, which
is a confusing thing about this movie. But he's like
(28:49):
still I would argue like a beloved character, right, Like
people are like, I'm already like bees for Halloween. Yeah,
a rebit of beetle Juice. There was the Beetle Juice
cartoon which came out. He was a much nicer character,
and him and Lydia were like friends. Yeah. Beetle Juice
(29:09):
was sometimes like learn lessons. Yeah, like, well, sometimes I
guess you have to treat your scaps. Sometimes you share
your scaps with your friends. Let's not talk about I
can't stop thinking about beetle Juice coming. You're welcome listeners.
I'm sorry, I can't apologize enough for what this discussion
(29:32):
has become. I'm sorry I didn't say it sooner. Oh
excuse me. This is discourse this important. Are here to
be like what does fiers? We're calling on you know,
we're not alright. So Beetlejuice, he's sexually assault Sparbara. He
does a surprise kiss. He's a skirtpeaker. He's there's like
(29:57):
a part where he all he like kind of fondles
Alec Baldwin and then he turns around and then also
grabs Barbara. So he's just like fondling them both. And
he's horny. He's extremely horny. He's at one point, you know,
builds a whorehouse her words, and then a very sharp
beetle shoe, very horny beetle juice Shimmy's over to it.
(30:21):
I forget how does he get sharp? Just holding him
because he's tiny. He's in like the model town that
they have in the so she has him, he's tiny,
and then he just grows spikes and she drops him.
He has like magic powers because he can just like
send her to the desert. I feel like there's wearing
Alec Baldwin's clothes all of a sudden point. There's a
(30:41):
lot of world building in this movie, but also not
enough because I don't understand, like what the limit of
what he can do. I don't understand the world. Kind
of like a genie, right, kind of, except there's no like,
so it's not like a genie and a bad a
bad one like Jafar when he becomes a genie at
(31:03):
the end of the Laddin. Like the Return of Jafar,
it would be that highly highly underrated sequel, the Return
of Jaffar. I think it's looking for lone gay icon.
I'll say it. I think most Disney villains are gay icons. Yeah,
(31:25):
for Scar gay icon. Yeah all, I mean pretty much
what's his name from Beating the Beast? Gay icon? Nah,
he's like a fun boy icon. He's still a icon's
he's an icon, but just feminist icon. Yeah. I don't
(31:47):
even know where to begin with this movie. This is
like a weird one to discuss because Barbara is i'd say,
plays just as active as a role as Adam does. Yeah,
but they're not what's they're not like and I don't know,
but they're the emotional they're like the emotional connection to
the movie. You want them to not turn into dust. Right. Yeah, there,
(32:08):
I would argue, like dual protagonists, there's like not one
more than the other that sort of has like the
main focal point. I see like they're playing pretty equal parts,
although I feel like Alec Baldwin's character is maybe a
little bit more active because he's the one who like
figures out you have to draw the door, and he's
the one who's like doing more to try to read
the book and try to figure out the situation. They're
(32:28):
both doing like haunting stuff in equal parts. But I
feel like, yeah, if you break it down, like if
we did like a dialogue breakdown for this one, for sure,
Alec Baldwin would edge give us out. But then at
the end we get the big feminist icon big snake,
and so it really says the day. So that's that's good. Yeah,
(32:49):
that's true because Adam just like gets in a little
car and drives it into Bele Juice foot that. Yeah,
jumps are so many fun goofs. But yeah, it's true.
Like so Gina David's character kind of safe to day.
She goes and she harnesses the feminist icon big snake,
that's what leads to beetlejuices. Denise. Yeah, I thought she
(33:11):
was kind of like responsive, you know, responsible for the
big end. Let's talk about Lydia, Okay, okay, kind of
like I had to follow up thought and I okay,
So I was looking up because once I was like
watching clips, I was like, oh, for sure, there's a
(33:33):
million shitty like listicles about how Lydia is a feminist icon,
and there are They're all so funny, like my favorite one.
I found one that was called nine times Lydia deats
was a nineties feminist hero. First of all, this movie
came out, you fucking idiot, and sorry for calling out
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this Bustle writer, but Bustles like corporate feminism and I
don't care. So anyways, they're like Lydia is a feminist
because she's weird, is a feminist because she doesn't wear
primary colors. She's a little bit different. So I struggle
with Lydia. Granted, when I was younger, I thought she
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was the coolest person ever, but I do, like, I
think that she's just like a weird Tim Burton jerk off,
like fantasy girl, and and she's acting I mean, like
as a character. She's she's active and kind of I
can't even really think of an example of like what
anything that she does that really influences the direction the
story takes, or like, well, she becomes like their connection
(34:38):
to the world, so she's sort of like they're right,
But I think she's mostly there to just be like
what's confusing? Well, not that any of these characters feel
like real people, except for Feminist, Like I'm so sorry,
we all know apart from him, everyone's a very like
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tim Burton esque version of a person. But Lydia especially
felt one dimensional. And it's just like, oh, she's like
a teen, a struggling teen, and she's moody but also
suicidal all of a sudden, and it's like, yeah, she's
like bring me, Like what are you talking about? She's
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a problem, right, I mean it's like a very weird
depiction of like mental illness. Certain I don't like, it's
just it was bizarre that choice. Yeah, I don't. I
think she's just like she falls into that same buget
that we talked about over and over and over. It's
just like she's not like the other girls, but she
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is because she's still conventionally attractive so it's just like
I don't know Tim Burton's version of that very boring
constant in movies. Yeah, she's different. She's like the equivalent
of Julia Roberts fixing a car and my best friend wedding,
like oh, any woman, nay or runaway right, I don't know, Like, yeah,
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I still think that she has the best hair in
the entire world and however happens, and I still want
to be her, but it also feels like a trick thought.
I feel like the only the only big part of
like feminist incap he Mike literally texted me several hours
ago and requested that I asked to be called it
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the entire time, but I'll take it this. But I
think the only part where where Lydia's character is like
really part of the storyline is right at the end
when they're like about to die and Beetlejuice is there
and Adam and Barbara both like, we have to save
this little girl, and it's also like, well, is she
not that little? It was like weird that they like
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that they like, I don't know, categorize her as like
this little girl's like, well, she's like a teenager, and
but I don't know, but it was. Yeah, her character
is very like the more I thought about it was
more like she's just always like watch out coming and
she says like there to tell Adam and Barba that
her parents are walking up the stairs. That's kind of
what her character does. She could be written out of
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this movie except for the last beat, where like she
becomes relevant to the plot only when she's being forced
to marry a corpse like which I've found it interesting
that she didn't try to put up more of a fight,
like because he was just like we're getting married, and
she's like, well, I think he like casts some weird spell.
Like she was like trying to say no and like
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you maybe say his name and he like cast that
weird spell on her and then he was talking through
yeah yeah, oh yeah, but yeah. Yeah. There's in that
whole scene it's kind of jarring to watch because there's
so many like people taking two steps and then be like, hey,
don't do that. I'm like keep walking, what do you do?
(37:55):
Stop the wedding? But they stand in place and then
be able just like IM gonna put a steel plant
in your mouth. Like there's there's there was some yeah,
all someone has to do is say, just reatle juice,
which is people they can't like it takes some decades
to do it. The stairs one, okay, let's try and
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one two more times and then and then he gets them.
He gets them with his weirders that we don't know
the rules. I'm now we sure don't. The scene where
he makes Lydia try to guess his name is out
of control because he immediately shows that he's like, all right,
I'll show you, let's play shards. And then he shows
her a beetle and she goes beetle and then he
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shows her orange juice, and she goes for breakfast like
I would immediately be like bug, like I wouldn't go
do exactly what kind of bug it was, and then
not know what And great product placement to Mini made
you gotta listen, who else is gonna pay for those
big spikes and snakes other than made orange juice? Who's
(38:58):
gonna make beetle juice? Pointy, you got to ask the
big business questions. Yeah, that movie is definitely in the
pocket of Big Orange. Feminist ion Big Orange. Every time,
every time Bald juices on the screen, there's a very
gratuitous use of like fun sound effects. There's a literal
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boying at one plane. There's a boy in this movie.
It does was like a high amount of Danny Elfman strings.
I love Danny Elfman score. Though, Oh Boy, Spiderman, Spider
Man and Men in Black Wild and several. Back to
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School is a really good one. I've never seen the movie.
I don't think it would fare very well on this
podcast most movies, but I think it's a good movie.
I guess like the main points I have for the
movie is that, like it's weird that most of the
time you just see beetle Juice on screen he is
sexually assaulting one of the female characters or forcing them
(40:05):
well the whole thing. So and then and then like
in a stanker like he's just veryone's like a beetle Juice.
It's what he does. He's gonna hunk your boob. He
come up and he's gonna hunk you. And that's what
beetle Juice does. And everyone's like that's not cool, and
he's like, I'm gonna do well. It's all about complacentness
and the beetle Well, so the reason that he needs
(40:30):
Lydia to marry him. Is that he's like, I'm kind
of like a tourist. He's basically needs like a green card.
But it seems like he, well, we don't understand the
rules of this world very well. Yeah, whatever needs because
he can be summoned and he can like live among
these people. So what does he want exactly? Does he
want to be able to like live among the living
(40:53):
like what? Anyway? Sometimes it just sounds like I'm bored
and I would rather not be here. Yeah, I think
he wants to get out, just like wreak havoc on
the world. Look up more skirts. There's so many skirts
down in the world, that's true. Lots of skirts to
pick up for this old scap, my dad says before
(41:15):
the house. Every more, I just remember somebody's skirts to
peak up out there for this old scaph god. Anyway. Yeah,
so he's just like, I gotta marry this teenage girl.
Why doesn't he try to marry Barbara or some interesting criticism? Yeah,
well why not? Why not? Why not? Kately? Why isn't he?
(41:40):
I think when he first is brought out, he immediately
asked Alec Baldwin if his marriage is going well, that's true,
he's closing. But the thing is Beetle Juice. You know
he wants to lock it down, isn't He's rude. I
think Beetlejuice is. Beetlejuice is the original pickup artist. I
think he started of negging people mystery from the TV
(42:04):
show Pickup Artists. One of the feminist Nine Reasons nineties icon.
Beetle Juice is a is a feminist pickup artist. He
uses your voice to marry you. Yeah, he takes away
your voice and speaks for you. He did not lip
sink that very well either, because, like Michael Keaton has
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a lot of skills, I don't know if lip sinking
is one of them. He's amazing in this movie. He's
so good, he's it's great. There's never I feel like
this movie could only work with Michael Keaton as the character.
I feel like most other people are so like he's
so charming that you're like, oh, Beetle Juice, you scamp.
But if it was like someone else to be like,
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this guy needs to go to demon jail wherever. Oh yeah,
your test, the Steve Bushey test test. I don't know.
I think you might be able to do it. I
don't know. To play Beetle Juice like not, it wouldn't
be the same. But I think you could have done Yeah,
Billina could not do this part. I think a lot
of Michael Keaton's lines were yeah, that's true, if you wanted.
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I'm gonna be honest with you. I still don't know
who he is. Shut up, I don't know who he is.
I feel sick you've seen because I don't have I seen.
I don't know. I mean, if I've seen Spiderman shift,
do you have you've seen Beetle Juice two hundreds? I
mean two hundred might be an exaggeration, but I've seen
a lot. And I have seen Spider Man too, probably
zero times. It's a classic. I sew Spider Man three weird.
(43:35):
That's bad. That was a bad one. Son. In the theater,
the dancing is really I love the dancing. And over grace,
where's that guy? He's probably trying to find the rest
of his name. Where's Haley Joelasmand? There? Actually I know
Jabs the Coole days ago. Haley Joelasmand was near a
herd of cattle, and it's like, where are you? Can
(43:58):
I come? I'm so Scara heard of cattle. Recently, I
was in Pennsylvania visiting my mom, and there's I saw llamas,
I saw cows, I saw horses just in field around.
I didn't we were not at the same cow field.
And I guess what's the point. I know, Hey, let's
talk about whether this movie passes the Bechel tests. Yeah, yeah,
(44:20):
is and yeah, let's talk about it or yeah, isn't yet?
Does I think it does? I think it does too,
It does. Yeah. I was really keeping an eye out.
I was like, I picked this and I really hope
it does. Everything's riding on this. Yeah, and it does.
And right away, like the Jane Butterfield character comes up
to the house and she's like, I found a family
(44:40):
who wants to buy this from you, and Da da da,
and she's like, go away, Jane. There's a lot of Yeah,
there's a lot of like it passes a lot of
times for a movie that has prominent scab man skirt peak,
Teenager is an undead sexual assailant, just to prove that
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it is a flawed system because it passes many times. Yeah,
Like every time Barbara and Juno talk, right, it's like
they're just talking about like you gotta be better at
being dead whatever she talks about throat. Yeah, if you
look up that actress, young, total hottie. Yeah, I want
to know. I wonder what the woman who works behind,
(45:24):
like the woman who plays the receptionist in the one
who's like, too bad, I slip my rest. Yeah, yeah,
my little accident, and I want to I should have
looked up who that is because I was like, you're
like fun. Yeah. And then there's a lady who's like
saw it in half. You see her torso sitting and
then is her legs Yeah, and Beetle Juice tries to
(45:47):
grab her leg and then her top half slaps him. Yeah,
so he's not doing great. Yeah yeah, but she's she's
she's only only womanho stuck up for herself in this
movie against Beetle Geese until he gets eaten by feminist iconpics.
It's crazy to just see like two feminist icons in
the same scene together and one gets eaten by Also
(46:09):
scenes where Lydia talks to her step mom and sees
where Barbara talks to Lydia a lot of times like
there are men in the room when that happens, but
it's like isolated conversations between two women that passed its handily.
I feel like if you had a dialogue breakdown, I
think there might in this movie. It might be that
women talk more than men, because I feel like there's
(46:32):
more prominent female characters in the in the movie, Like
the male characters that like have a bunch of lines
are Alec Baldwin, the Dad, and Otho and Beetle Juice
probably is behind all of them because he's barely there.
And then it's like because then you have like big,
like big monologues from Juno. You have the lady in
(46:52):
the reception, and then you have like Barbara and Catherine
O'Hara and Lydia like all yeah, and you have like
all the people from the party, but none of them
really talk. They'll just kind of like to sit there.
And then that was me to that woman that he
brought for some reason, like so much we didn't really. Yeah,
(47:12):
I hated him as a kid as a kid because
I was like he's trying to ruin the house that
these people love. And then now I'm like he's like
a funny character. He's fun he's a great dancer. There's
a scene where Lydia is talking to something about ghosts,
and then Delia is like, my agent Bernard is coming
for the dinner party, not to be confused with Bernard
(47:35):
Bernard from Spider Man Too. I really got to watch this.
I'll describe it to you. There's this great seed that
James Franco's in in Spider Man Too, where they're trying
to replicate the magic between Batman and his butler Michael Caine,
but it's James Frego and his butler Bernard and Bernard Enters.
(47:58):
It's the only line he had in the whole movie.
He's out of focus and he says, so your father
only obsessed over his work, right, Yeah, And then James
Franco said, good night Bernard, who James Franco play in
Spider Man Harry best best friend. But it's complicated because
(48:21):
he's Spider Man. Let's talk about anyways, what if Spider
Man starting? It's complicated. Another Alex Balban joint. One of
the only movies my father has ever talked to me about.
It's a movie about divorce. What do you think is
going to yeah? Just yeah. When you get divorced, all
you want to do is see other media about divorce.
(48:42):
You know, you'd like to see yourself and the things
you watch. It's complicated, so he only watches it's complicated
and Blue Crush, Yeah, the surf moviescing No, I think
he's just like Surfing's great. Hey, let's write the movie
on our nipple scale. Okay, so we write the movie
(49:02):
on a scale of zero to five nipples based on
its portrayal of women. So I'm going to give it.
Oh Man, again, this is a tough one. I mean,
just thinking back to all the discourse we had about Scabby,
Come my daughter. Yes, the guy who's like a tonic
(49:25):
sales means like Scabby, come here to tell you about
this new Tonic I've made up. Don't come and just scare.
I'm sorry I brought it up again. He's a little
bit on the nose of the sales. I'm gonna give it,
I guess two and a half nipples because there are
(49:47):
a lot of pretty significant roles for women. They're all
mostly playing a pretty active role in the story and
the narrative to like move it forward, I'd say probably
just as much as any of the male characters. Is
concerning to me that pretty much anytime build juices on screen,
he is sexually assaulting the nearest female character, and while
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the other characters are like, oh, you're a pervert, he's gross,
he's bad us as a as a society, or like,
he's funny, he's funny, he's fine. I like him. His
penis looks like it's pretty much just us. But now
we've put that question on Oh my god, they're so okay,
(50:30):
look it up. Okay. So yeah, So two and a
half nipples, just because I'm not really sure what to
make of this movie, and the nipples belong to the
dog that they have to avoid crashing into dog them
the dog that kills them, and they have to swerve
to miss the dog, and they crash and go over
a bridge. So that dog, which I'm guessing has eight nipples,
(50:54):
because if a dog is anything like a cat, it
has eight nipples. This has been cat facts with Caitlin.
So two and a half nipples, and they belonged to
the shaggy dog that dog killed them. He was on
a board that was holding up the car and then
he jumped off, and that just proves my point that
I've made over the years that every dog is rude.
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I'm pretty sure that fall would not have killed it.
Was such a short fall. Yeah, it was like I've
jumped off of things into water that high and I'm
still here. Yeah, they could have escaped that car. Yeah
they don't. I don't believe that they died. I just
think they didn't want to live anymore. They just they
hit the water and they immediately were like, well, we've
(51:38):
resigned to this now. Guys in this field guicerratic fan
fiction I've been reading while you've been having this conversation.
He's referred to as beach. Beach just eyes buled out
of his head at the look of Lydia's corset. Oh,
I want him to big snake. I wanted to have
(52:00):
sex with big him. Yeah. Yeah, goes stir right through
beetle juice, but beetle juice exploded spikes, which is the
way that he comes. Okay, I'm gonna give it. Sorry,
that was like a very intense fan fact. Well link it,
(52:20):
Lincoln description this disgusting fan fiction. Just kidding, Okay, I'm
going to give it. I'm gonna give it to I'm
gonna give it two nippies for for all the reasons
you described. But it's I don't know, like I wish
Jeanne Davis's character was more active. I think that mine
is the end. You could totally write out when on
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a writer out of this movie and it would not
make that much of a difference. There are a lot
of female characters, but not all of them are important
enough to the plot. Be Juice feminist icon though, and
that's important. It's I mean, at the end of the day,
we got a feminist icon out of this movie, and
what more could you ask for? Well, part, I mean
(53:04):
the movie if you isolate the conflict, which is that
they don't want these people in their house. They need
Beetle Juices help, but as soon as they get it,
they don't want it anymore. And then it's like a
matter of getting rid of I don't know, like all
over the place. Yeah, the story is I think the
problem was like maybe because the female characters aren't as
like active as we'd like them to be. Is because
(53:24):
like the narrative is bananas and like not that well constructed. Yeah,
you heard it here first from Caitlin and her really
good opinions. Do you have two degrees? I have two
degrees in one of them is a master's in screen
running from Boston university. Uh, all of you who are
like show us your degree. I don't have to show
you anything. I have nine degrees. No, I don't believe
(53:49):
you believe me. All of them are in film. I
got them from various universities, nine different ones. To be exact,
I went to college. So I'm gonna give this. It's hard.
From zero to five. I feel like three is too generous,
(54:09):
but I want to say three because I feel like
most of the male characters are in the movie are
very passive, like other than wanting to turn to buy
the whole town and turn it into an amusement park
the Confines of Death. Yeah, but just like I mean,
like but like the Father, he literally just like sits
(54:29):
in a room for most of the of the movie.
So like, yeah, the conflict is that, like Delia wants
to like redo the house. So it's like I think
it's kind of her push. She's pushing the conflict more
way more than he is. But other than that, it's like, yeah,
I think like Barbara and Adam are like very even.
(54:52):
It's kind of like he is kind of like being like,
oh did you draw the door and knock on it?
But She's like we got to read the book, like
she's like pushing for them to do the stuff. So
it's like, I feel like it's pretty even, and I
feel like, really the movie is a vehicle for Tim
Burton painting people's faces with scabs. I feel like it's
mostly that and mostly him building little tiny models of towns.
(55:15):
Tiny head, feminist icon, tiny head feminist icon, feminist icon,
woman's legs. There's a lot of feminist icons in this movie.
This Woman of Hollywood literally feminist icon. Football team. There's
so many team and I'm gonna I'm gonna so I'm
(55:36):
gonna say three because I because you never know and
it's never said, And I'm just gonna say that big
Snake is a woman what very easily could be No
what you know what? You can't tell just by looking
at him. Who are you giving your nipples to? I'm
going to put those three nipples on, but two fur
eyes and then one in the middle of the head. Okay, yeah, snake, Yeah,
(56:01):
my my nipples are penises and their beel juice, And
I think we should end the episode. Can my nipples
be the nipples of the woman in total recall that
has three boobs? Okay, well you know it's always great
to ask yes because I sent this ramission. So Mike,
(56:22):
thank you so much for being here. You for doing this.
Where can people find you online? I'm at Michael Brucey
on all the social media and I have a website
micro dot com that I have never updated, so it's pointless.
But it is made on Wicks. I knew it, and
it's free, and it tells you that it's made on
Wicks because I'm not going to pay money for it
(56:42):
to not say that I knew it, of course. And
shout out to Lave who are recording for us. What's
the name of your podcast network again? The brain Machine
Network to brain Machine Comedy dot com. Hell yeah, gotta
check out brain Machine Comedy dot com. Although Mike did
suggest that it should be rebrand it is life Little Podcast.
I think you should be called this little Podcast. I'm
(57:03):
all for it. You heard it here first. Thank you
again for having us here. Thanks for being here. You
can follow us at Becto Cast on Twitter, on Instagram.
You can check us out on Facebook. We've got a website,
pets dot com made not made on Wicks. Squares dice.
(57:25):
That'll that's it. That'll do beetle juice. Beetle juice, beetle juice,
Come scabs,
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