October 5, 2017 • 59 mins
Today we're talking about Blade Runner with guest Hampton Yount! Are Jamie and Caitlin Replicants? Or are they RepliCANS? (This episode contains spoilers)
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
On the Bell Cast, the questions asked if movies have
women in them? Are all their discussions just boyfriends and husbands?
Do they have in individualism the patriarchy? Zef and best
start changing it with the Bedel Cast. All right, well,
it's the first day after the worst day. Good one,
(00:20):
first day after the worst day. It's the Bechdel Cast.
My name is Jamie, my Caitlin, And yesterday we tried
to stalk Alfred Billina here and then I had a
panic attack and Caitlyn got scared and we didn't say hi.
But today is another day. And that's not to say
that we are going to see alt from Millia today.
We're not. We pretty effectively fucking blew that. But all
(00:42):
I have to say is the first day after the
worst day. It's been in a real twenty four hours.
I've actually been reflecting a lot about it. What are
you thinking? I have like an hour long conversation last
night the dear friend about how you know I can
have something four feet away and still not say hey,
you're my top Google image start. I wouldn't know they're there.
(01:03):
He's right there. If we If you ever do to Molina,
don't open with that I'm in pervert there. I'm very
sick in the head and I love you. I don't
know anyways, So welcome to the Betel Cast. What's it about, right?
The portrayal of women in movies, and usually it's not
great that one was for women. Our guest hates women.
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Um credit if you're wondering. If you're wondering what Bechtel cast?
What does that mean? It's inspired by the Bechtel test,
which requires that a movie has two characters. They're women.
They have names. They talk to each other, not about
a man, about anything else. Too much to ask to
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terrorist list of demands we need to women. Those women
are names, not about Ryan Gosling. I got to talk
about their dreams. Yeah, do you want to be introduced?
I'm sorry, he hates women. He's a pro wrestler. It's
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me Hampton. Yeah, well I was going to do it
for you. I'm from a comic. I'm a funny guy,
and I been different towards men and women. Largely, there's
really really no emotion. I think that that's progressive in
its in its own, in its own beautiful way. Well,
isn't it also the little binary there? I'm saying men
and women, what about difference non binary? So much you
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might know Hampton from being the voice of Crow on Mr. Sense.
Oh my god, the new one. Yea, oh my god,
it's good. I love it. I have I have a
I have a full case of energy drinks of like
really like Porsche level and pounded half of one already. Yeah.
(03:06):
It's called uptime mental physical energy supplement original jin sing
jing co bloba bloba. It's like the one word that
it's a medicine that helps you remember things well. So
clearly it's not working, or it debilitated my ability to
form words. It's taking that away from the blow. But
(03:29):
Cohen's I'm cute. Ten. Hey let's talk about movies. Yeah, okay,
we're here to talk about Blade Runner. I like it, right,
I actually like it. So Hampton, tell us about when
did you first see this movie? What's your the best
movie ever? Second best movie in Boondogs Saints its Reduction?
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I don't know. I like the movie. It's I watched
it when I was a teen, and I think I
saw all the bad version first, and which one is
bad version? Is the one that has the narrator where
Why didn't he Harrison Ford hated doing it so much
that he uh, he did it badly, like on purpose.
He was narrating it. Yeah, the studio was like, this
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movie is like unfollowable, so they're kind of like, he
should do this narration. That's always like my wife used
to call me cold fish because I was a cold
fish in bed. But it's like shots of him like
looking down a dark alleyway and it's just like insanely
like weird jokes and ship like over it. But it's like,
you know, the whole movie is like only works because
it's this like neo noir thing, and I really hold
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it in the same brain space as like a Kira.
It's like, oh yeah, it's like you're the first people
who did like dystopian future thing. So it's cool. It's
I don't know, I like it a lot. It's maybe
like a once a year kind of watch watching about Yeah.
I watched a lot of movies though, So that mean
that's like, you know, what do you do? What do
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you do for a living? Make fun of bad Jamie?
When did you foresee it? This morning? Jesus Christ, I
got home perfect time I lost Here's here's a dystopian
novel in itself. I got home, I lost my key.
My roommate had to let me in. I got I
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got into the shower, are slowly disappearing. It turned out
I haven't had a shower curtain in months. Where's the
shower curtain? So what I do is I place my
laptop on my sink so I can half watch a
movie while also showering for the whole shower. I thought
Harrison Ford was Liam Neeson, and then what he was doing,
(05:50):
I think that Harrison Ford. Okay, I would meet the
argument Harrison Ford doing a bad job is about equivalent
to Liam Neson doing Liam Neeson is. I have a
very special skills to find my wife. And here's for it.
It's like my wife. If you bring back my wife,
I'm wow. I am good invoicing. Good guys hiring me more.
(06:16):
I'm fucking unemployed. Give him to the job, Give me
a job, Hollywood. Yes, So did you ever see it?
I have seen the movie? Yes, what shitty boyfriend made
you watch it? No? I just watched it on my
own volition. I was like, I'm a freshman in college
and I'm a film major and I got watched you. Yeah,
(06:37):
it's awesome. Yeah, was it? Like I have two degrees.
I have a master to be screenwriting from Boston College
is kind of a way. So that's a fun degree,
you know. That sounds like good good news of your time. Yeah,
I had a great time. Um. So yeah, I think
I saw it for the first time in college and
then I've seen it now probably four or five times
since then. So you like it? No, so many times? There?
(07:01):
I don't understand this. Alright, guys, hot break here? Why
why do you Why do you like this movie? What
about it is fun for you? What is fun for it? Um?
That's an interesting question. I don't know. Maybe other than
I just stylistically like that sort of thing. I like
sci fi, like weird dystopian tales about the future, and
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also like I like movies that are kind of about identity,
even if it's kind of lame. That's the one thing
is like I do realize a lot of my tastes
are really like childish. It's like I still read comic
books like I'm a couple of you know, like idiot.
But I mean it's also like, can't you just like
shitty things like what's so wrong with like, you know,
(07:44):
like a kind of something that's exactly but the reason
So I think I liked this movie the first time
I saw it, or I think I was just influenced
by knowing that it's, you know, one of the best
sci fi movies ever made, and I was supposed to
like it. So I was confused. I was eighteen, I
didn't know any better. And then I watch it again,
I was like, wait a minute, I don't drugs, and
I just fell in this world pressure fear pressure, like
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Blade Runner. We're all supposed to be doing it. If
you're sitting in a a circle of like college freshmen, they're
all passing around the DVD Blade Runner, You're like, I
guess I'll take it. That is actually extremely accurate, like
that's exactly and Booddog Stage Donnie Darko that are the
exact same, like terrible movie, but they're good, but they're bad.
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It's also like, look at most movies, they're awful, they're mad.
So if anybody like even kind of went to art school,
I'm like, all right, here we go something a little bit,
A little bit. I appreciate Blade Runner for it has
great production design. I think that's one of the reasons
that it's become such an iconic movie, and I enjoy
the world building. I don't think the story is executed
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very well, and I like, I don't feel anything, like
the movie does not elicit any emotions in me. I
don't care if if Deckert wins and kills all the Also,
it's interesting like the replicants were slaves, no wonder, they're
gonna fucking kill everybody, Like this guy Stock, I'm kind
(09:10):
of on the dick. Yeah, I mean it's like that's
just robots in general, right, like why why why are
we making robots? It's every Like Elon Musk is like, stop,
this is going to kill everyone. All scientists are like, a,
I will eventually replace us. This thing we should tell
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and we can back from. Not like it's so going forward. Yeah,
we're still at the point where like we could just
stop to keep I don't know. The computers they're just
so smart. I might have hit the point of no return.
I don't know. I saw Carl last night and it
looked like a shark. Oh god, well, yeah, I guess
it's so. Do you feel like there's movies though that
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talk about stuff um like yeah, consciousness or like you know,
if a soul is real or something, you know, kind
of like in that vein that isn't sci fi, Like
I feel like these are the only movies that address
deeper largely, you know, and I like sci fi like
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a movie that's like a wrong comm It's like he
doesn't have a they'll kill everyone. I generally like sci
fi a lot. It's one of my favorite genres. But
this movie I like at a Cocaine. I like Gotta
Go a lot. That's probably my favorite. Way cool cool
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you guys are like, come on my movie podcast. I think, um,
Like it's also like beautiful the thing with like Blade Runner.
I don't know, like you could argue it's lame, sure,
like as a lot of things I like that I
find beautiful. I'm like, well, you can also call this stupid.
But like you know, it's like the soliloquy, you know,
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like the shots like more effort I feel applied than
a lot of movies, you know, but I will I
will do. It's not like a self conscious movie, and
that's always kind of nice to see where it's like
not there's no like sarcasm excercise, Like everything is very
genuinely felt, even when it's the dumbest thing I've ever seen.
(11:20):
They feel it, they go through all the way like
so so that's kind of like nice to see of
do you feel like, um, that relationship between the him
and the robot girl and I mean it's all very odd,
right because it's so immediate, like it's like they have
no relationship and then and then yeah, I think, and
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he's like, do you love me? I love you even
though we met yesterday. I'm sure it's just like Men
and Black where Will Smith gets to take over Men
and Black on his second day on the job, just
like Okay, cool, now he's the boss. And that's just
how this movie works there, I mean exactly like Minified
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and I Love Man, Like I who is Harrison for
the Blade Runner? Is he the one running with the blade?
They are the blade running, the running blades across the borders,
the running blades bunch. I was waiting for that phrase
to be running before the Blade runs, you dog. I mean,
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did you ever get into that whole thing where it's like, um,
he's a robot, you know, like a root and that's
like why everything's happening kind of the way it is.
Is that why Harrison Ford is doing so much bad
acting in this movie. Kind of yeah, he was like, well,
the character is a robot. And then when they added
the voiceover, that's why he got so mad. He was like,
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you're making this guy like opposite of why I signed
on board. Well, we know now support school. He smoked pot.
He's really proud of his spots. Well, at least now
we know that he can't be a replicant because he
is in this sequel that's coming out, and he's an
old man and we learned from the replicatively lived for
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four years, so he so he definitely was in a robot.
But then they find out that there was more money
to be made, right, Like that's just their whole Yes,
we did say that, but it says but money, there's
an asterisk and we can make money two years from now. Well,
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I like, to me, there were opportunities for like reveals
and like exciting story components that just doesn't happen this movie.
The movie is very slow moving free. Yeah. Yeah, Um,
if there was the reveal at the end that that
Harrison Ford was also a replicant, like I'd be like, wow,
I don't know, just that staying where they got the
little origami. It's like the unicorn. Yeah, he's there. It's
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because it's like that was in his dream, so the
guy wouldn't have known anyway. This is literally how guys
get like so into like movies and get online, and
we're just like, they're fucking unicorn. That's how you know
he was being incepted. I didn't realize that that was
his talisman. Look at the spinning top. It kind of
wavers at the conception. That's how you know his family
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is still alive. Well, you're a fucking idiot for not
knowing the thing I just found out about. It's probably
why guys like it so much, because it's such a
great movie to shame other guys, to explain to people.
Explaining things to people. It's like literally like this orgasmic
release at the back of our explaining something, well, or
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even theption of explaining something. I think it's the female
equivalent of like when you like, you know, get closure,
But but one is you can just do. It's hard
to pull off. It's hard to pull off a good
explanation as a guy. Let me tell you why. Okay,
(15:08):
I'm internally bleeding. Hey, this movie was written by two
people who have fake sounding names, one of whom is
named Hampton Fancher Hampden Hampton Hampton literally like never seen
another Hampton, Yeah, Hampton Fancher. He co wrote it with
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David wed That actually makes me feel weird do fake
ass stunding names. I'm a fake ass dude, Hey, fake
as dude, real ast button. And David Peoples that's a
fake name, David People's. And it's adapted from the Philip K.
Dick book Android's Dream of Electric Sheep. No grow Up, Hey,
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I'll do the recap. Okay, lad Runner is about Okay,
we learn I'm doing a great job. So part. But
so there are these things called replicants, their robots that
these like genetic engineer dudes made to basically be slaves.
It's set in twenty nineteen, which at the time this
movie was made in two that was like, wow, so
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far in the future. But now we're like, you dumities,
you've got it all wrong. It doesn't was my robot.
We got a Warren Blade under about Trump. So it
doesn't rain in Los Angeles. It's like raining in every
single scene in this movie. And I forgot that it is.
So they are these replicants, but they basically have this
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like mutiny and they start murdering people. And why wouldn't
you write I would if I was enslaved, I would
also turn into a murderous robot. Call them different things
and slaves. See that's where they start getting suspicious. WAT
call them stuff like uber driver and postmates, you know,
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not slaves. They're just freelancers. Yeah, they're just they're humans.
They're getting experiences people and your internship. So the replicants
are like killing everybody, and Daryl Hannah's there, Darrell Hannah,
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and then the Donade Roy yeah yeah, just my two
yeah uh. And then they're these blade Runners, who are
police officers who are basically given the instructions to like
shoot to kill any replicants because they've been made illegal
on Earth. So Harrison Ford ak Deckert is one such
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blade Runner and he gets tasked with finding these four
replicants who show up. They're like kill kill them, um,
just like that not an exciting movie. He's over there,
he's right next to you, dude, just touch him. He's
right there. And meanwhile he meets with this dude Terrell
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from the Terrell Corporation, who invented the replicants, and he
has a replicant of his own, and her name is Rachel.
And he's like, who's this Rachel person? Is she a person? No? No, no, no, no,
no no no, we don't do that. Rachel was going,
(18:30):
so I got the Rachel. It's where my brain got
put into Robot's body. The haircut. But it's that. Yeah,
And Harrison Ford like talks me through for play that
he wants to say is really cute. Here's you really cute. Okay,
(18:52):
now see you got goodbye, you got good hbbs. Okay, okay,
put your mouth very sensitive. I actually thought my hair
is imported fresh was way better. I think you're tied,
tied for first. I'm not even gonna try mine because
(19:14):
it'll it'll frankly embarrass both of you. But take a
sip of up time you're literally makes you good at impression.
It makes you j farre up. Okay. So Rachel's all like, oh,
I don't know I'm I guess I'm a replicant. She didn't,
she didn't know who she was at first, and then
she finds out that she's a replicant, so she's all
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she's confused, she's scared. She's crying up there. Yeah, she's
crying up there. She's lining up there, and then she's
growing up there. Meanwhile, the other the replicants, the four
who are on Earth, are trying to especially Roy and PRIs,
are trying to locate Tyrrell because he can locate hate
(20:00):
Lynn what wow. Anyway, Uh, they're trying to find him
because they think he's going to be able to help
them live longer, because again, they only live for four years,
and they're like at the end of their lifespan to
live forever forever. Aristole's crying right now. What a beautiful
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singing voice. That's the Queen song. And it's all about
like why would you anyway? That's wait, it's about living forever,
like because he wrote it for Highlanders, like this super
emotional song about being an immortal. What a weird paycheck,
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the best paycheck? So oh. And then like Rachel's learning
about like memories being implanted in her and it's a
whole thing. And then he's like falling in love with her,
and he's trying to kill the other replicants and then
he started he killed a couple of them. He kills
Zora and Priss, the protagonis of this movie shoots two
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of the main It's it's kind of like carte blanche,
like you're just allowed to shoot. Yeah, the street. There
could be a crowdful of people and they're too dangerous, right,
It's it's totally very and he's total and it's totally
fine because they're not wearing a lot of clothes, so
they have a great one down sugar, Like, just I
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saw the sexy chicks. Dude, stop it. Let the Prince's
death was genuinely like, come on, she was she was cool,
very hot. You know, she was slipping around sexualized. It's
like in a It's like Deny when Zena on the
top and Golden Eye kills men with her vagina. Yeah,
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it was the deaths were too sexy, sexy. I got
turned on too much. I was upset. I had to
lieve the theater man. I demanded a refund music. I
wasn't betting on being corny. Excuse me, excuse me, sir,
that movie turned me on. I would like a cash refund. Uh.
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And then the big climactic scene is Roy the bed,
the big bad replicant Inherson the Dutchy fight the Duchy
with the frestye kIPS Dutch that's to the left hand side.
He's so cool man, He's Ruger Howard. Have you seen
him in The Hitch the hit Shert in Hitch Hitch
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is the prequel to The Hitchhert Hitchers, really scary fun
So so Reger Howard has his own AIDS Awareness organization. Amazing,
but it's funny because it's called the Rudger Howard Starfish Association.
I wonder why that is. Shouldn't he call it chocolate Starfish,
limp biscuit the benefits hesn't Why don't I because he
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looks so familiar to me. But he's kind of just
like I mean, I thought he was Ed Harris for
the longest time. What I thought? He looks like Ed
Harris so racist against straight white men, so goddamn turn
on and mad right now? Alright, So the big fight
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scene at the end, and rather than Harrison Ford defeating Roy,
who is like losing the battle like Deckert is like
shitty at fighting, he keeps pausing to give soliloquies. Have
you ever seen the Fires of Orion? Roy just dies
of old age. And then that is pretty funny. He
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basically do it. So then Deckert goes to Rachel, his
new girlfriend who he met yesterday, and he's like, I
know that you're a replicant robot, but let's just run
away together and maybe I'm also a replicate. I don't know.
You're running off into the sunset. Why you gotta go
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so complicated? I mean, like, this's just a happy, happy romance. Yeah,
a love story for the ages. If you're a bad movie,
if you're well, let's talk about the how the women
are portrayed in it. So we have three main female
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characters and none of them are human. There are no
human women in this movie who have speaking roles. It
is who Yeah, I'm good. So the first one we
meet is Rachel, and she's the good replication. She's not
like the other replicants. She's nice, but she's also she's
a bit of a she's a bit of fatal replicant,
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and she she's a crier. So it's like, oh, we
like her, But do I love it when women cry? Yeah,
that's a stereotype seeing a woman crying. And they were like,
cool to leave the movie theaters, do turn on. That
movie just made me crazy, horny chick was crying, I
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want to have a relationship with the person on the screen.
So Rachel, she's she's a robot. But then she has
the memories of the guy who loses his eyeballs, his
needs right, Tyrell's niece, So they implant her with these memories,
so she thinks she's human. Also, so they administer these
tests to figure out if someone's a replicator because void
(25:33):
Komp that's the name of the test. Okay, yeah, And
it's like basically just like asking all these questions that
will see if it'll elicit some sort of emotional response
and the replicants because basically the movie sets up that
the replicans are pretty much indistinguishable from humans except that
their emotional intelligence isn't uh and they only know it
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for four years. That you can just watch them keel
over in the streets. It's dying. I also, but you
almost got to give respect to the movie that, like,
it's not just like a thing he scans people with like, oh,
there they're a robot, go get him. It's like he
has to give him this personality test, has to sit
people down and do the Myers Briggs, are you introgreted
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or replicate your freak. I think they're making a point
about like nuance of personality or something. You know. At
one point, will we even give a fuck? You know,
you could talk to a robot that like just replicates
you know, human empathy, and you're like, you're my name,
best friend. I think I love you. You're so there
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for me, and like, you know, is it the Turing
tests that it's like, is this that's what that is? Yeah?
So did this movie invent it? No? But but even
this test, there's one where the agers really thinks, all right,
he's the guy that invented there's this point, I'm an idiot.
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They ask Rachel question. They sort of asked her about
her sexuality at one point. Or She's like that was
the first of them like, oh and she's a whether
she's human or not. They're like, whoa, who do you
fucking like? We're just curious immediately what you're doing with that.
It doesn't matter of the ass is sentient or not. Sentient,
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asks gentlemen, we've invented it sentient as for years the
woman have plagued men. But imagine a sentient something that
has feelings that a man needs, and it's a Giant Us.
This is my favorite improv group that I go and see. Right,
(27:47):
So yeah, that that scene is like is this testing
whether I'm a replicat or a lesbians? Yeah, that's exactly cornyline. Yes,
why am I lesbian? It's such a like also a
throwback to like a noir line, like they used to
always do that, like you got the hot yeah, like
you have the things she should be like leaning in
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and like pushing her cleavage together, like what are you suggesting? Right?
But it's obnoxious. Well, the thing with that scene is
that you discover that it took like he had to
administer the test for much longer and ask him any
more questions than with the other replicants. So there's something
about her that makes her special and maybe that's why
he loves her. She's calling like the other replicants respect
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a man's love. Absolutely cannot respect a man's love period
in the streets. It's just a goofy your love, And
it really is. Yeah, you know how goofy men's love is.
It's like, sit down, I wrote a song and you
have to like that level of like creepy. It's creepy.
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It's of a woman's love. And if he shows you
one shade of that of that fifty shades upright, I'm
gonna need more. There's three women almost speak because I
almost don't even think about the replicants. To me, they're
just like an obstacle. Well I think that that's intentionally done. Yeah,
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I mean, Rachel's the only female character that we're supposed
to feel anything for, right, because Zora is the like
snake lady. She's an exotic dancer of some sort of thing.
She has one good line where she's a robot who
could be a construction worker and just like build buildings
with her bare hands. But she's like, I don't know
what to do. Chip she's also a robot, probably has
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like insane like brain capacity, and she's still like, you
know what she could? And I think she was empowered
by Amber Rose. Yeah, I mean, let's learned that somehow
being a stripper is the most feminist thing you could do.
It's very empowering. Everyone's He's like, is that a real snake?
And she's like, no, I get aboard on a second,
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Actually that snake he looks like a girl's sake. It's
blade runners. When really deckerd finds that like scale, Yeah,
it's it's like the worst detective work. He's like, here
it is the clue, right here where it should be.
Like he finds a creepy believe it took me forever
to piece together because then he goes and like he
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goes to the snake man. He's like, who you're selling
your snakes too? And I was like, what's happening? And
then detective talks to that other dude in the bar
and sny no matter what you're Harrison's talking. He sounds
very old. He is great. He's had a dad bod
(30:46):
since he was fifteen years old. He's had a Jones
basically had dad. For sure. He's a crummy actor. He's
a crumby act when he doesn't have any When he good,
he's like, when is he not himself? You know, well
that's well, sure, he doesn't have a lot of like versatility,
so it doesn't have range. But you're like, oh, time
(31:14):
into the role. Sure, but Alfred Milena raised the loss
Alfama of the Da Vinci Code two thousand six You
try to throw him a whip in two thousand sixteen.
He won't accept it. No, He's like, I've done it
what's next. People give him robot tentacles and he's like,
did you see Spiderman two two thou before? I'm the
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rain Man of Alfred Milena. A point I would like
to make is that we see again and again in
movies that there's often a scene where a man has
to save a woman. A woman is in peril. That
was literally standing in a platum, a very intense moment
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for everyone. We're not going to be able to release
this episode because you have something. Oh my god, because
you're a guest, you're singing so many copyrights. No, but
it's fine because I'm doing it my bad version, and
I'm doing it under like eight seconds. I know the law.
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I know the law. So women are often women be
in peril in movies. They need they need saving, and
is it a very annoying I get saved at least
once a day, So it's a very annoying trump that
I hate. We don't see it in this movie. Instead,
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we see a woman saving a man or a woman robot.
That's true because there are no women humans. But it's
it's the scene where um Leon, the fourth replicant, who
we haven't met yet, he's like fighting with Deckert and
about to kill him by pushing his thumbs into his
eyes or that's the how you kill people if you're
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a robot. I liked that part. And he's about so
he's about too like eyes motion him and then he
gets but then he gets shot in the head and
reveal that it's Rachel Pick So Rachel, Rachel's saves Rachel
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saves Deckert from getting dead. I like that this movie
subverts that very annoying trope. But there's so much that
it does. Like they're sure every female character in this
movie either exists to be a foil to a man
or to write like Rachel's whole reason for existing in
the movie is to facilitate the growth of Harrison Ford's character,
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Like that's why she's there, to change his attitude. I'm
out my room wants and maybe they're not so mad,
and like that's well. The thing is, he doesn't even
seem to hate replicants that much. He doesn't even know
anything about them. In the first scene when the dudes
explaining to them that, He's like, yeah, they only lived
for four years. You bet at your job. But he
didn't like one of them. Whatever, don't blade dogades just
(34:15):
like I'm a roll by, but I like Chris was
my favorite. I mean, little dar Daryl Hannah got she
has probably the most agency, or she's she's active. She
tricks the dude Sebastian into like, oh man, that guy
though with his weird like I've and you're like what
(34:37):
he is, like he has a disease where he ate
his like aging is accelerated. Dude is so awesome. I've,
but I look like shit, I'm a paynut farmer. But
also about I make friends, I would I would do
that if I was the guy who could do that
and make those easy. If there's anyone in the movie
that I could realistically see myself with it him. I
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don't like it when they're full adult size, but when
they're tiny and they're like cartoon characters, that's pretty great.
Baby clowns. Check out clown. All they have to do
is like get bonked on the head and fall down
every now and then. It's not like, you know, it's
not like grueling work. But prison I mean she, I mean,
you can see both ways. I like she has the
(35:19):
most agency, but you could also be like, oh, they
made a little cunning witch female character. She's another of them.
They tell I'd like to pay for two tickets because
I love magic, Mr Pizza, cunning witches. So those are
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the three prisons, Zora and Rachel. Rachel, what kind of
a character would you have liked to have seen put
in this? I mean, any human women? Why couldn't one
of the other Blade runners be a woman? His girlfriend?
Should it? But like, how removed should it be from him?
Like partner or love interest? I mean it didn't. You
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don't need to necessarily add someone new to the story.
That wouldn't make sense for the story. But just like
he could have been his police chief decord, I need
fucking results. It could have been put on your blades?
Where are your blades? Where are your blades? She's as
mad about things he forgot to bring running. What's your problem? Yeah?
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And we need a naggy woman in here. Oh there's
um the woman in the She like looks at the
snake scale. He thinks it's like a fit and she's like,
oh no, so there's a there's another woman with a
speaking roll I forgot about. But she's like, secretly, I
love you ded like Rachel, and forgive me if I
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missed a part when I was taking a shower and
really not watching the movie at all, but it was on.
But there's like Rachel Harris a Ford and Rachel they
both sort of have like these identity issues, right, but
like Rachel, what's the resolution there where she's like, oh,
I guess I have the memories of the eyeball guy's
niece and I'm sad about that. But then there's no like,
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where does that arc? You're going to go on the road? Right,
they're they're on the lamb now now they know the
robots and they're like to figure like figure it out.
I don't know. Like that that was the end of
where her character ended. Was like, oh, there was no
like she was truly they were like here's a shell
of a woman, forced her to say whatever you want. Okay,
(37:33):
that scene, let's talk about let's talk about that scene
was like so the scene where she's back at his apartment,
she's playing piano. He goes into kiss her very twilight.
He's all wounding over piano playing. He moves into kiss her,
she pulls away, gets up, tries to leave. He slams
(37:57):
the door shut. He's like shooting robots for you. So
we got pretty cool devil's advocating right now, So he
slams the door shut so that she can't leave. He
violently pushes her against the wall and then like corners
her puts his arms up sore, she can't move, she's crying.
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He's like, kiss me, you want me to kiss you?
Kiss me? And she's like, she was like, you want me?
I want you to say it again. It is I
think meant to be I think it's meant to be
hot hot, but it is so ra That movie just
(38:41):
turned me on. He just kissed that woman who loves him.
She does it, well, that's okay. And then the three
female characters speaking to the fact that there's no human women.
All three female characters were invented by men. I was like, oh,
how hard is this movie thinking about itself? Answer, I
don't think very hard. But there was like a ten
(39:02):
minutes span where I'm like, maybe what really Scott's trying
to say is that men created these women and that's
why the female characters are so horrible, because it's just
the man's perception of what a woman should be doing.
And then I was like, oh, no, it's just bad.
This is just how you're giving it too much credit.
It's just bad, badly written female characters. But the the
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escape and how because I always try to like car
ready for this podcast, I'm like, how would an asshole
explain away the point I'm about to make? And I
think it would be that's like, well, the women were
created by men, and so the men don't understand women,
so they just made women that made gents to them,
So women that wanted to get naked and sucked them, right,
So that was the Devil's advocate to degree there. Yeah,
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I don't didn't even know that. I don't think they
were thinking very hard about that. I think, well, my
my thing is honestly, I just think, you know, movies
really didn't think about this till about ten years ago.
Hampton Fancher was not thinking about No, I don't know.
I mean like it was and it wasn't, but like
i'd say this, yeah, it just hasn't been applied. Philip K.
(40:08):
Dick was certainly not thinking about finding that book. It
was probably like nineteen sixty. It had to be in
the sixty. Yeah, it's badly made, Like you know, it's like, yeah,
you're totally right. There's a glaring problems that it's like,
now if you couldn't get away with it right. Well,
I'm interested to see if in the in this sequel
(40:30):
that's coming, if they're more interesting or developed female characters,
because like the love story that's set up between Harrison
Ford's character and Rachel is like, why do they like
each other? This happens all the time in movies where
it's like we're not sure what They're near each other
and they're both attractive, so naturally they're gonna want to
(40:50):
fucking be together forever. But like, so she'll do whatever
he tells. It's so like that whole thing. I was like, Oh,
so that's why he likes her, because he's like, hey,
say this thing to me that makes me feel cute.
I'm feeling about my hips, makes me feel cute. He's
(41:14):
hervy man curve. I got dumb thick butt. Though. One
thing I do like about the movie is that you
do see Duckard's as get kicked by two women because
Zora and Priss both beat the ship up. That's like
the most progressive thing you could do with a woman.
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A man doesn't immediately naked ultra feminist in a movie.
Cain and I spent our nights and he's just hunting.
The press. Fight scene was really weird because she basically
like gets him in a headlock with her vagina. What
a weird way to fight, guys. Never kickled someone's fucking
head up, pure decapitation World combat style. And then Golden
(42:03):
ailes she puts her fingers up his nose. That's a
great way I hurt someone your nose is like stone
and humiliate them at the same time. The only thing
I learned about self defense I learned from Miscongeniality two thousand.
What'd you learn? Uh, there's a part where Sandra Bullock
says you have to remember to sing solar plexus, instep
(42:25):
knows groin and those are the places that you hit
people and then and then they stay away from you. Anyways,
was that a song? It's something whole? And then Benjamin
Bratt breaks out into song. And that's a great movie.
That is that movie good? Better than Runner? Hey, mis
(42:48):
Congeniality too? Maybe not well? Speaking of other movies and
other cop movies specifically, I wanted to make the point
that so many cop movies revolve around a male protagonist
in the cop or like two men cop buddies there
are who are sensitive about their body. It's so rare
(43:08):
that you see a female cop protagonist in a movie.
I made a list of man cop movies. Uh, get
rid of every Diehard That Departed Seven, Beverly Hills, Cup,
Lethal Weapons, Serpico, Chinatown, Dirty Harry l A, Confidential, The
French Connection, Bad Boys, forty eight Hours, Point break Y, Intouchables,
Training Day, super Troopers, Robotcot, Men in Black, Speed, Mad
(43:31):
Max Hots twenty one, Joshiss Kiss, Bang Bang, many many,
many more. A few exceptions Fargo, Silence of the Lambs. Wow,
almost all good movie. That Yeah, that is Yeah. Another exception,
(43:52):
The Heat. It was SMI great female cop. That's a
cop movie. She's FBI. Honestly, Miss g L is an
amazing movie. Michael Caine shines in that movie. Yeah, he's great.
Where's your Michael Caine? Impressure? I was like, Michael A
(44:20):
Michael Kaine, I've heard better. Yeah, it wasn't in me.
I didn't really want it. But anyway, so most cop
movies are male dominated. There's anything to do with the
cops and mostly being men. It could be, but our
cops mostly men because women don't see representation in media
of women being cops, so they're like, oh, it would
(44:41):
be weird for me to try to be a cop,
because I guess women can't be cops because I've seen
all these movies where it's all men being stemic. I
just finished season three of far Ago and didn't make
you want to fight crime. It maybe want to move
to the Midwest become a cop and she become troubled
with the state of is just as possible to require.
(45:02):
Actually that's the thing, is like every cop movie I see,
I'm like, no, I want to fight, cry like it
does totally about me. So like when you saw a Fargo,
did it make you go like fu, Yeah, I want
to fucking I've never want to find a body. I
want to find murders. I don't think so. Although when
(45:23):
I did see Harriet the Spy as a young kid,
wanted to be a spy school women because it's because
that's kind of happening with the new Jennifer Lawrence movie
that's coming out, Which One, Which One. It's like a
spy movie, She's a spy. It's it's only been teased
(45:43):
kind of what it is. And then immediately people were like,
why are women always betrayed his spies. Is it because
we're sneaky? And I was like, I don't know. That
sounds not fair on many levels. Did Harry the Spies
a movie? So yeah, Nancy Drew, Oh yeah, I wanted
to be Nancy Drew real mad, not Emma Roberts. Nancy Drew, hot,
(46:07):
big titty, fifteen year old, illustrated nanty Cher. Then she
had asked, Nancy, my mom made me read those books.
She was like, you Drew, Well, there's those books are
so because Nancy has ned Ned Nickerson, her boyfriend who's
a hottie and stays out of the way, which is great.
(46:29):
Ned Nickerson is hot and stays out of the way.
It's like, okay, that's what we're going to go for
the future. And then she has her two cousins or no,
her two friends who are cousins, one of whom is
not the star of the book because she's five pounds overweight.
They say that in every book. They say, folks was
about five pounds. She needed to be five, always five.
That is remarkably always fine. And then and then there's George,
(46:54):
who is who's a lesbian, but they say she's a
bit of a tomboy. It's someone who's five pounds too
heavy and a bit of a tomboy. And that's why
she's a perfect She's a strawberry bond and she's got
a beta cock. Wait for her to start solving crimes. Yeah, no,
(47:16):
I know she Well she does it in a cute
little skirt and she has a rowboat. It's the whole thing. Um,
Does anyone have anything else they want to say about
Blade Runner? And it's portrayal of women? Boo. Let's talk
about whether or not the movie passes the Bechtel test No,
the Betel testimeter. This is our avoid comptest. If you
(47:44):
were to sit really Scott down and ask him kind
of avoid comp on this, what would you ask him?
That is a quick That is a quick thing I
want to bring up is this is a really Scott movie.
And really Scott is all over the board like truly
a to z and how he treats women in his movies,
because he fucking directed Felmont and Louise. He directed Alien,
like two movies we've done in this podcast that are like,
(48:06):
I mean, Selman Louise fared very well. We gave it
a five nipple rating. Across the board. We did. We
did Alien a problem that it's like women are always
portrayed as like indestructible badasses also you know, I mean
in destructible, but they also died. I was we're thinking
about Ripley. I love aliens and aliens and stuff because
(48:30):
he has he has Alien Thulmt and Louise g I Jane.
Whoa g I Jane? G I Jane. I've never actually
seen that. It passes the bag. It's dumb, but but
it is supposed to be like, oh, you know whatever,
it's inherently done because they call her g I Jane
and she's joining the Navy Seals General Infantry. But then,
(48:51):
but then he's also directed a slew of movies Blade Renner, Gladiator,
Kingdom of Heaven, Magic Men, So he's all over the
board in terms of how well I would argue that
the writer of a movie is gonna have more say
and how a woman is portrayed than the director. I mean,
the director contract different choices, but it's ultimately the way
a woman is portrayed, at least in terms of like
(49:14):
how active of a role she plays in the story
and things like that is going to be up to
the writer. So I mean, you know, the director might
make decisions on like how you frame it and like
how like how little clothing she has on, and like
do we do like lingering shots of like mail gaze
kind of stuff. But I think it's so weird that,
you know, three years previous to this, he makes Alien
(49:35):
and then he's like, well, we've got to have a
twenty year old Daryl Hannah flailing with her tits out
for good thirty seconds before we allow the protagonists to shoot,
and the baby maker doesn't like, oh yeah, So it's
just I think that the real I'm telling you that
(49:56):
that's probably thought about. I'm telling you, are you telling
me that? What you tell us? Why? I love later
to explain it to people. I know, I'm telling you.
I think we can really like so we can really
blame Hampton Fancher, Yeah for best Actually you're in the
(50:19):
hot seat. But but it's just weird to think about,
like Ridley Scott's what's that word with too many bells?
Oh yeah, yeah, good, good point. Yeah. Well, I think
he's like one of those super like visual directors as
A've been thinking a bit about like directors recently, where
(50:39):
I'm like well, some seems like super hands on with
actors or like, you know, that's where they started because
that's their background. He just seems like art school visual guys.
So I always think he's it's almost like he's not
trying to empower Ripley or or or do you know
something with Elma and Luis. He's just like, this is
a beautiful story. Here is how is his shot? And
I am removed back. I want you to see this,
(51:01):
you know, this painting sort of thing. And he's not
thinking about the relationships so much. I guess that would
enable such a wide kinds of different stories that he tells. Yeah,
because it's like if he had some sort of like
specific agenda the way some directors too, I feel like
you wouldn't see that many different right, Yeah, because he's
in an a tour, but not necessarily like here I
(51:22):
am on the women's movement of My Girlfriend's seven. He's
forty nine. Okay, that's not great, that's too much. He
wears dumb hats and I beat him in a fight
and make okay, So back to the beach. Tol t
(51:50):
doesn't it doesn't, It doesn't pass, doesn't pass. There are
no scenes in the movie where they're even two women
in the same scene who are like how have aking rolls?
Like Zora and Press are never in the same scene,
which is weird because like they all those four knew
each other, Leon, Roy and Zora, and they regularly come
into contact with the male characters, right, But the two
(52:12):
women don't ever talk to each other, and then Rachel
never talks to either of them. I wonder if in
any of the seven fucking versions of this movie two
women talk to each other. Guarantee they don't know, right,
that's actually Deckerds like narration is like I imagine them
having conversations, they're probably boring, and we won't show them
probably talking about they could have had a conversation between
(52:36):
the two robots just about being yeah, like the robot experience.
It's kind of like the whole point of the movie basically,
like why can't they have a discussion about like their
loss of soul or you know, the solution of personality
sort of thing. I mean that would have been interesting,
like oh no, I don't want to die in four years?
Did they get their period? Do you think you got
(52:56):
a program in a period? Why would you make a
real going to control, the controlled our body. Um. But yeah,
there are a bunch of different versions of this movie.
I watched, um, the final cut one most recently. I
don't know how different any of the other one. I
(53:17):
watched the easiest one to steal over the World War one.
I don't know whatever the first one was. So there's
also the director's cut, the US theatrical cut, the international cut,
and something called the work prints the Night. They're all
the same except for the one with narration. Okay, I
would like that's just about making money, Like they just
re release it every now, and they were like the
editors final It's like we cut out one season. It's
(53:41):
a movie like, okay, good to know. So yeah, it
doesn't pass the back to test, no surprise there. Um.
And the thing is it also sucks as a movie.
It's well with that. Let's rate it, but we'll rate
it on our our nipple scale based on its portrayal
(54:02):
of women. So not how much you like the movie,
we're rating it on how it portrays women. Uh. And
it's a scale of zero to five nipples, and then
you can attribute those nipples to anyone you want, or
describe them or anything like describing them two inverted nipples
because that's the definition of it's a woman reverse Like
(54:23):
they didn't understand it, and that's what happened with this movie.
So that's why I go for that artistic rating molmost
silence very rating. Um okay, yeah, sorry, I forgot to
be silent for the moment of silence. I would give it, Yeah,
like a one and a half or two nipples. Um,
(54:47):
I'm gonna go with a one and a half. The
women you do see on screen, none of them are human.
Most of them are bad, and it's fine to have
a female villain, but they're all so poorly developed that
we don't really know anything about what their feelings are,
what their perspective is, or anything like that. We see
one's nipples for pretty much no reason. Um, excuse me,
(55:11):
I got horny, and then and then a pan bag
like cut two from nipples back to snake. It's like, wait,
what is they are playing here? Oh? I get its
snake someone he's got a garbage bag full of popcorn?
(55:34):
Doc mad. Yeah that The love story between Ducker and
Rachel like makes no sense. We're not sure why they
like each other. Uh yeah, generally, just the female characters
exists to what you were saying, either either like be
a foil to the men to specifically Deckert, or be
(55:56):
a random love interest. That doesn't make any sense. So yeah,
one and a half nipples. The nipples belong to the
owl in the movie. And I know that, Okay, So
I know they nipples to birds have Caitlin so generally,
not how many nipples everyone has. Generally birds don't have
any nipples. However, I think I think we can all
agree like cock bar cock birdies. I think we can
(56:24):
all agree that owls are hot cats, especially I've always
graduated like dude, smart education. No owls are sky cats.
Their cats with wings, and cats do have eight nipples.
This has been cat facts with Caitlin. But so we
see the owl at the Replican owl, and so the
(56:45):
nipples belong to to that. I give this movie one nipple.
It sucks. I don't like it. If you got a
problem with it, hey bring your hardcover bill of k
Dick Anthology and beat me to death over the head.
I don't care. This movie blows there. There's all the
(57:09):
characters were like, just there's nothing, there's nothing there. This
movie made me had to take a shower midway through,
I thought this movie had liam. It was so bad.
I clearly watched it of my patients in the morning.
I couldn't do I could not do it. I couldn't
like this movie. Got it? I don't. I didn't. Who'll
(57:36):
throw another nibble to the owl? Sure? Okay, that's gonna
full set? Yeah and it's um well, thank you so
much Hampton for being here. Yeah, Hampton, Yeah, Hampton Yunt.
It's kind up comedian, right, bald Rock on tour? Where
can people follow you on Twitter? Twitter would be my favorite? Okay,
(57:58):
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(58:21):
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(58:41):
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(59:03):
And uh and let's all get on our blades and
go out running. No no no no no no no
no no no
On the Bell Cast, the questions asked if movies have
women in them? Are all their discussions just boyfriends and husbands?
Do they have in individualism the patriarchy? Zef and best
start changing it with the Bedel Cast. All right, well,
it's the first day after the worst day. Good one,
(00:20):
first day after the worst day. It's the Bechdel Cast.
My name is Jamie, my Caitlin, And yesterday we tried
to stalk Alfred Billina here and then I had a
panic attack and Caitlyn got scared and we didn't say hi.
But today is another day. And that's not to say
that we are going to see alt from Millia today.
We're not. We pretty effectively fucking blew that. But all
(00:42):
I have to say is the first day after the
worst day. It's been in a real twenty four hours.
I've actually been reflecting a lot about it. What are
you thinking? I have like an hour long conversation last
night the dear friend about how you know I can
have something four feet away and still not say hey,
you're my top Google image start. I wouldn't know they're there.
(01:03):
He's right there. If we If you ever do to Molina,
don't open with that I'm in pervert there. I'm very
sick in the head and I love you. I don't
know anyways, So welcome to the Betel Cast. What's it about, right?
The portrayal of women in movies, and usually it's not
great that one was for women. Our guest hates women.
(01:30):
Um credit if you're wondering. If you're wondering what Bechtel cast?
What does that mean? It's inspired by the Bechtel test,
which requires that a movie has two characters. They're women.
They have names. They talk to each other, not about
a man, about anything else. Too much to ask to
(01:54):
terrorist list of demands we need to women. Those women
are names, not about Ryan Gosling. I got to talk
about their dreams. Yeah, do you want to be introduced?
I'm sorry, he hates women. He's a pro wrestler. It's
(02:19):
me Hampton. Yeah, well I was going to do it
for you. I'm from a comic. I'm a funny guy,
and I been different towards men and women. Largely, there's
really really no emotion. I think that that's progressive in
its in its own, in its own beautiful way. Well,
isn't it also the little binary there? I'm saying men
and women, what about difference non binary? So much you
(02:43):
might know Hampton from being the voice of Crow on Mr. Sense.
Oh my god, the new one. Yea, oh my god,
it's good. I love it. I have I have a
I have a full case of energy drinks of like
really like Porsche level and pounded half of one already. Yeah.
(03:06):
It's called uptime mental physical energy supplement original jin sing
jing co bloba bloba. It's like the one word that
it's a medicine that helps you remember things well. So
clearly it's not working, or it debilitated my ability to
form words. It's taking that away from the blow. But
(03:29):
Cohen's I'm cute. Ten. Hey let's talk about movies. Yeah, okay,
we're here to talk about Blade Runner. I like it, right,
I actually like it. So Hampton, tell us about when
did you first see this movie? What's your the best
movie ever? Second best movie in Boondogs Saints its Reduction?
(03:54):
I don't know. I like the movie. It's I watched
it when I was a teen, and I think I
saw all the bad version first, and which one is
bad version? Is the one that has the narrator where
Why didn't he Harrison Ford hated doing it so much
that he uh, he did it badly, like on purpose.
He was narrating it. Yeah, the studio was like, this
(04:15):
movie is like unfollowable, so they're kind of like, he
should do this narration. That's always like my wife used
to call me cold fish because I was a cold
fish in bed. But it's like shots of him like
looking down a dark alleyway and it's just like insanely
like weird jokes and ship like over it. But it's like,
you know, the whole movie is like only works because
it's this like neo noir thing, and I really hold
(04:38):
it in the same brain space as like a Kira.
It's like, oh yeah, it's like you're the first people
who did like dystopian future thing. So it's cool. It's
I don't know, I like it a lot. It's maybe
like a once a year kind of watch watching about Yeah.
I watched a lot of movies though, So that mean
that's like, you know, what do you do? What do
(04:58):
you do for a living? Make fun of bad Jamie?
When did you foresee it? This morning? Jesus Christ, I
got home perfect time I lost Here's here's a dystopian
novel in itself. I got home, I lost my key.
My roommate had to let me in. I got I
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got into the shower, are slowly disappearing. It turned out
I haven't had a shower curtain in months. Where's the
shower curtain? So what I do is I place my
laptop on my sink so I can half watch a
movie while also showering for the whole shower. I thought
Harrison Ford was Liam Neeson, and then what he was doing,
(05:50):
I think that Harrison Ford. Okay, I would meet the
argument Harrison Ford doing a bad job is about equivalent
to Liam Neson doing Liam Neeson is. I have a
very special skills to find my wife. And here's for it.
It's like my wife. If you bring back my wife,
I'm wow. I am good invoicing. Good guys hiring me more.
(06:16):
I'm fucking unemployed. Give him to the job, Give me
a job, Hollywood. Yes, So did you ever see it?
I have seen the movie? Yes, what shitty boyfriend made
you watch it? No? I just watched it on my
own volition. I was like, I'm a freshman in college
and I'm a film major and I got watched you. Yeah,
(06:37):
it's awesome. Yeah, was it? Like I have two degrees.
I have a master to be screenwriting from Boston College
is kind of a way. So that's a fun degree,
you know. That sounds like good good news of your time. Yeah,
I had a great time. Um. So yeah, I think
I saw it for the first time in college and
then I've seen it now probably four or five times
since then. So you like it? No, so many times? There?
(07:01):
I don't understand this. Alright, guys, hot break here? Why
why do you Why do you like this movie? What
about it is fun for you? What is fun for it? Um?
That's an interesting question. I don't know. Maybe other than
I just stylistically like that sort of thing. I like
sci fi, like weird dystopian tales about the future, and
(07:23):
also like I like movies that are kind of about identity,
even if it's kind of lame. That's the one thing
is like I do realize a lot of my tastes
are really like childish. It's like I still read comic
books like I'm a couple of you know, like idiot.
But I mean it's also like, can't you just like
shitty things like what's so wrong with like, you know,
(07:44):
like a kind of something that's exactly but the reason
So I think I liked this movie the first time
I saw it, or I think I was just influenced
by knowing that it's, you know, one of the best
sci fi movies ever made, and I was supposed to
like it. So I was confused. I was eighteen, I
didn't know any better. And then I watch it again,
I was like, wait a minute, I don't drugs, and
I just fell in this world pressure fear pressure, like
(08:08):
Blade Runner. We're all supposed to be doing it. If
you're sitting in a a circle of like college freshmen, they're
all passing around the DVD Blade Runner, You're like, I
guess I'll take it. That is actually extremely accurate, like
that's exactly and Booddog Stage Donnie Darko that are the
exact same, like terrible movie, but they're good, but they're bad.
(08:29):
It's also like, look at most movies, they're awful, they're mad.
So if anybody like even kind of went to art school,
I'm like, all right, here we go something a little bit,
A little bit. I appreciate Blade Runner for it has
great production design. I think that's one of the reasons
that it's become such an iconic movie, and I enjoy
the world building. I don't think the story is executed
(08:50):
very well, and I like, I don't feel anything, like
the movie does not elicit any emotions in me. I
don't care if if Deckert wins and kills all the Also,
it's interesting like the replicants were slaves, no wonder, they're
gonna fucking kill everybody, Like this guy Stock, I'm kind
(09:10):
of on the dick. Yeah, I mean it's like that's
just robots in general, right, like why why why are
we making robots? It's every Like Elon Musk is like, stop,
this is going to kill everyone. All scientists are like, a,
I will eventually replace us. This thing we should tell
(09:31):
and we can back from. Not like it's so going forward. Yeah,
we're still at the point where like we could just
stop to keep I don't know. The computers they're just
so smart. I might have hit the point of no return.
I don't know. I saw Carl last night and it
looked like a shark. Oh god, well, yeah, I guess
it's so. Do you feel like there's movies though that
(09:52):
talk about stuff um like yeah, consciousness or like you know,
if a soul is real or something, you know, kind
of like in that vein that isn't sci fi, Like
I feel like these are the only movies that address
deeper largely, you know, and I like sci fi like
(10:13):
a movie that's like a wrong comm It's like he
doesn't have a they'll kill everyone. I generally like sci
fi a lot. It's one of my favorite genres. But
this movie I like at a Cocaine. I like Gotta
Go a lot. That's probably my favorite. Way cool cool
(10:37):
you guys are like, come on my movie podcast. I think, um,
Like it's also like beautiful the thing with like Blade Runner.
I don't know, like you could argue it's lame, sure,
like as a lot of things I like that I
find beautiful. I'm like, well, you can also call this stupid.
But like you know, it's like the soliloquy, you know,
(11:00):
like the shots like more effort I feel applied than
a lot of movies, you know, but I will I
will do. It's not like a self conscious movie, and
that's always kind of nice to see where it's like
not there's no like sarcasm excercise, Like everything is very
genuinely felt, even when it's the dumbest thing I've ever seen.
(11:20):
They feel it, they go through all the way like
so so that's kind of like nice to see of
do you feel like, um, that relationship between the him
and the robot girl and I mean it's all very odd,
right because it's so immediate, like it's like they have
no relationship and then and then yeah, I think, and
(11:41):
he's like, do you love me? I love you even
though we met yesterday. I'm sure it's just like Men
and Black where Will Smith gets to take over Men
and Black on his second day on the job, just
like Okay, cool, now he's the boss. And that's just
how this movie works there, I mean exactly like Minified
(12:04):
and I Love Man, Like I who is Harrison for
the Blade Runner? Is he the one running with the blade?
They are the blade running, the running blades across the borders,
the running blades bunch. I was waiting for that phrase
to be running before the Blade runs, you dog. I mean,
(12:28):
did you ever get into that whole thing where it's like, um,
he's a robot, you know, like a root and that's
like why everything's happening kind of the way it is.
Is that why Harrison Ford is doing so much bad
acting in this movie. Kind of yeah, he was like, well,
the character is a robot. And then when they added
the voiceover, that's why he got so mad. He was like,
(12:50):
you're making this guy like opposite of why I signed
on board. Well, we know now support school. He smoked pot.
He's really proud of his spots. Well, at least now
we know that he can't be a replicant because he
is in this sequel that's coming out, and he's an
old man and we learned from the replicatively lived for
(13:12):
four years, so he so he definitely was in a robot.
But then they find out that there was more money
to be made, right, Like that's just their whole Yes,
we did say that, but it says but money, there's
an asterisk and we can make money two years from now. Well,
(13:34):
I like, to me, there were opportunities for like reveals
and like exciting story components that just doesn't happen this movie.
The movie is very slow moving free. Yeah. Yeah, Um,
if there was the reveal at the end that that
Harrison Ford was also a replicant, like I'd be like, wow,
I don't know, just that staying where they got the
little origami. It's like the unicorn. Yeah, he's there. It's
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because it's like that was in his dream, so the
guy wouldn't have known anyway. This is literally how guys
get like so into like movies and get online, and
we're just like, they're fucking unicorn. That's how you know
he was being incepted. I didn't realize that that was
his talisman. Look at the spinning top. It kind of
wavers at the conception. That's how you know his family
(14:18):
is still alive. Well, you're a fucking idiot for not
knowing the thing I just found out about. It's probably
why guys like it so much, because it's such a
great movie to shame other guys, to explain to people.
Explaining things to people. It's like literally like this orgasmic
release at the back of our explaining something, well, or
(14:45):
even theption of explaining something. I think it's the female
equivalent of like when you like, you know, get closure,
But but one is you can just do. It's hard
to pull off. It's hard to pull off a good
explanation as a guy. Let me tell you why. Okay,
(15:08):
I'm internally bleeding. Hey, this movie was written by two
people who have fake sounding names, one of whom is
named Hampton Fancher Hampden Hampton Hampton literally like never seen
another Hampton, Yeah, Hampton Fancher. He co wrote it with
(15:28):
David wed That actually makes me feel weird do fake
ass stunding names. I'm a fake ass dude, Hey, fake
as dude, real ast button. And David Peoples that's a
fake name, David People's. And it's adapted from the Philip K.
Dick book Android's Dream of Electric Sheep. No grow Up, Hey,
(15:55):
I'll do the recap. Okay, lad Runner is about Okay,
we learn I'm doing a great job. So part. But
so there are these things called replicants, their robots that
these like genetic engineer dudes made to basically be slaves.
It's set in twenty nineteen, which at the time this
movie was made in two that was like, wow, so
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far in the future. But now we're like, you dumities,
you've got it all wrong. It doesn't was my robot.
We got a Warren Blade under about Trump. So it
doesn't rain in Los Angeles. It's like raining in every
single scene in this movie. And I forgot that it is.
So they are these replicants, but they basically have this
(16:40):
like mutiny and they start murdering people. And why wouldn't
you write I would if I was enslaved, I would
also turn into a murderous robot. Call them different things
and slaves. See that's where they start getting suspicious. WAT
call them stuff like uber driver and postmates, you know,
(17:00):
not slaves. They're just freelancers. Yeah, they're just they're humans.
They're getting experiences people and your internship. So the replicants
are like killing everybody, and Daryl Hannah's there, Darrell Hannah,
(17:24):
and then the Donade Roy yeah yeah, just my two
yeah uh. And then they're these blade Runners, who are
police officers who are basically given the instructions to like
shoot to kill any replicants because they've been made illegal
on Earth. So Harrison Ford ak Deckert is one such
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blade Runner and he gets tasked with finding these four
replicants who show up. They're like kill kill them, um,
just like that not an exciting movie. He's over there,
he's right next to you, dude, just touch him. He's
right there. And meanwhile he meets with this dude Terrell
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from the Terrell Corporation, who invented the replicants, and he
has a replicant of his own, and her name is Rachel.
And he's like, who's this Rachel person? Is she a person? No? No, no, no, no,
no no no, we don't do that. Rachel was going,
(18:30):
so I got the Rachel. It's where my brain got
put into Robot's body. The haircut. But it's that. Yeah,
And Harrison Ford like talks me through for play that
he wants to say is really cute. Here's you really cute. Okay,
(18:52):
now see you got goodbye, you got good hbbs. Okay, okay,
put your mouth very sensitive. I actually thought my hair
is imported fresh was way better. I think you're tied,
tied for first. I'm not even gonna try mine because
(19:14):
it'll it'll frankly embarrass both of you. But take a
sip of up time you're literally makes you good at impression.
It makes you j farre up. Okay. So Rachel's all like, oh,
I don't know I'm I guess I'm a replicant. She didn't,
she didn't know who she was at first, and then
she finds out that she's a replicant, so she's all
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she's confused, she's scared. She's crying up there. Yeah, she's
crying up there. She's lining up there, and then she's
growing up there. Meanwhile, the other the replicants, the four
who are on Earth, are trying to especially Roy and PRIs,
are trying to locate Tyrrell because he can locate hate
(20:00):
Lynn what wow. Anyway, Uh, they're trying to find him
because they think he's going to be able to help
them live longer, because again, they only live for four years,
and they're like at the end of their lifespan to
live forever forever. Aristole's crying right now. What a beautiful
(20:22):
singing voice. That's the Queen song. And it's all about
like why would you anyway? That's wait, it's about living forever,
like because he wrote it for Highlanders, like this super
emotional song about being an immortal. What a weird paycheck,
(20:42):
the best paycheck? So oh. And then like Rachel's learning
about like memories being implanted in her and it's a
whole thing. And then he's like falling in love with her,
and he's trying to kill the other replicants and then
he started he killed a couple of them. He kills
Zora and Priss, the protagonis of this movie shoots two
(21:04):
of the main It's it's kind of like carte blanche,
like you're just allowed to shoot. Yeah, the street. There
could be a crowdful of people and they're too dangerous, right,
It's it's totally very and he's total and it's totally
fine because they're not wearing a lot of clothes, so
they have a great one down sugar, Like, just I
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saw the sexy chicks. Dude, stop it. Let the Prince's
death was genuinely like, come on, she was she was cool,
very hot. You know, she was slipping around sexualized. It's
like in a It's like Deny when Zena on the
top and Golden Eye kills men with her vagina. Yeah,
(21:47):
it was the deaths were too sexy, sexy. I got
turned on too much. I was upset. I had to
lieve the theater man. I demanded a refund music. I
wasn't betting on being corny. Excuse me, excuse me, sir,
that movie turned me on. I would like a cash refund. Uh.
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And then the big climactic scene is Roy the bed,
the big bad replicant Inherson the Dutchy fight the Duchy
with the frestye kIPS Dutch that's to the left hand side.
He's so cool man, He's Ruger Howard. Have you seen
him in The Hitch the hit Shert in Hitch Hitch
(22:37):
is the prequel to The Hitchhert Hitchers, really scary fun
So so Reger Howard has his own AIDS Awareness organization. Amazing,
but it's funny because it's called the Rudger Howard Starfish Association.
I wonder why that is. Shouldn't he call it chocolate Starfish,
limp biscuit the benefits hesn't Why don't I because he
(23:01):
looks so familiar to me. But he's kind of just
like I mean, I thought he was Ed Harris for
the longest time. What I thought? He looks like Ed
Harris so racist against straight white men, so goddamn turn
on and mad right now? Alright, So the big fight
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scene at the end, and rather than Harrison Ford defeating Roy,
who is like losing the battle like Deckert is like
shitty at fighting, he keeps pausing to give soliloquies. Have
you ever seen the Fires of Orion? Roy just dies
of old age. And then that is pretty funny. He
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basically do it. So then Deckert goes to Rachel, his
new girlfriend who he met yesterday, and he's like, I
know that you're a replicant robot, but let's just run
away together and maybe I'm also a replicate. I don't know.
You're running off into the sunset. Why you gotta go
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so complicated? I mean, like, this's just a happy, happy romance. Yeah,
a love story for the ages. If you're a bad movie,
if you're well, let's talk about the how the women
are portrayed in it. So we have three main female
(24:29):
characters and none of them are human. There are no
human women in this movie who have speaking roles. It
is who Yeah, I'm good. So the first one we
meet is Rachel, and she's the good replication. She's not
like the other replicants. She's nice, but she's also she's
a bit of a she's a bit of fatal replicant,
(24:49):
and she she's a crier. So it's like, oh, we
like her, But do I love it when women cry? Yeah,
that's a stereotype seeing a woman crying. And they were like,
cool to leave the movie theaters, do turn on. That
movie just made me crazy, horny chick was crying, I
(25:13):
want to have a relationship with the person on the screen.
So Rachel, she's she's a robot. But then she has
the memories of the guy who loses his eyeballs, his
needs right, Tyrell's niece, So they implant her with these memories,
so she thinks she's human. Also, so they administer these
tests to figure out if someone's a replicator because void
(25:33):
Komp that's the name of the test. Okay, yeah, And
it's like basically just like asking all these questions that
will see if it'll elicit some sort of emotional response
and the replicants because basically the movie sets up that
the replicans are pretty much indistinguishable from humans except that
their emotional intelligence isn't uh and they only know it
(25:56):
for four years. That you can just watch them keel
over in the streets. It's dying. I also, but you
almost got to give respect to the movie that, like,
it's not just like a thing he scans people with like, oh,
there they're a robot, go get him. It's like he
has to give him this personality test, has to sit
people down and do the Myers Briggs, are you introgreted
(26:18):
or replicate your freak. I think they're making a point
about like nuance of personality or something. You know. At
one point, will we even give a fuck? You know,
you could talk to a robot that like just replicates
you know, human empathy, and you're like, you're my name,
best friend. I think I love you. You're so there
(26:39):
for me, and like, you know, is it the Turing
tests that it's like, is this that's what that is? Yeah?
So did this movie invent it? No? But but even
this test, there's one where the agers really thinks, all right,
he's the guy that invented there's this point, I'm an idiot.
(27:03):
They ask Rachel question. They sort of asked her about
her sexuality at one point. Or She's like that was
the first of them like, oh and she's a whether
she's human or not. They're like, whoa, who do you
fucking like? We're just curious immediately what you're doing with that.
It doesn't matter of the ass is sentient or not. Sentient,
(27:26):
asks gentlemen, we've invented it sentient as for years the
woman have plagued men. But imagine a sentient something that
has feelings that a man needs, and it's a Giant Us.
This is my favorite improv group that I go and see. Right,
(27:47):
So yeah, that that scene is like is this testing
whether I'm a replicat or a lesbians? Yeah, that's exactly cornyline. Yes,
why am I lesbian? It's such a like also a
throwback to like a noir line, like they used to
always do that, like you got the hot yeah, like
you have the things she should be like leaning in
(28:08):
and like pushing her cleavage together, like what are you suggesting? Right?
But it's obnoxious. Well, the thing with that scene is
that you discover that it took like he had to
administer the test for much longer and ask him any
more questions than with the other replicants. So there's something
about her that makes her special and maybe that's why
he loves her. She's calling like the other replicants respect
(28:31):
a man's love. Absolutely cannot respect a man's love period
in the streets. It's just a goofy your love, And
it really is. Yeah, you know how goofy men's love is.
It's like, sit down, I wrote a song and you
have to like that level of like creepy. It's creepy.
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It's of a woman's love. And if he shows you
one shade of that of that fifty shades upright, I'm
gonna need more. There's three women almost speak because I
almost don't even think about the replicants. To me, they're
just like an obstacle. Well I think that that's intentionally done. Yeah,
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I mean, Rachel's the only female character that we're supposed
to feel anything for, right, because Zora is the like
snake lady. She's an exotic dancer of some sort of thing.
She has one good line where she's a robot who
could be a construction worker and just like build buildings
with her bare hands. But she's like, I don't know
what to do. Chip she's also a robot, probably has
(29:40):
like insane like brain capacity, and she's still like, you
know what she could? And I think she was empowered
by Amber Rose. Yeah, I mean, let's learned that somehow
being a stripper is the most feminist thing you could do.
It's very empowering. Everyone's He's like, is that a real snake?
And she's like, no, I get aboard on a second,
(30:02):
Actually that snake he looks like a girl's sake. It's
blade runners. When really deckerd finds that like scale, Yeah,
it's it's like the worst detective work. He's like, here
it is the clue, right here where it should be.
Like he finds a creepy believe it took me forever
to piece together because then he goes and like he
(30:24):
goes to the snake man. He's like, who you're selling
your snakes too? And I was like, what's happening? And
then detective talks to that other dude in the bar
and sny no matter what you're Harrison's talking. He sounds
very old. He is great. He's had a dad bod
(30:46):
since he was fifteen years old. He's had a Jones
basically had dad. For sure. He's a crummy actor. He's
a crumby act when he doesn't have any When he good,
he's like, when is he not himself? You know, well
that's well, sure, he doesn't have a lot of like versatility,
so it doesn't have range. But you're like, oh, time
(31:14):
into the role. Sure, but Alfred Milena raised the loss
Alfama of the Da Vinci Code two thousand six You
try to throw him a whip in two thousand sixteen.
He won't accept it. No, He's like, I've done it
what's next. People give him robot tentacles and he's like,
did you see Spiderman two two thou before? I'm the
(31:37):
rain Man of Alfred Milena. A point I would like
to make is that we see again and again in
movies that there's often a scene where a man has
to save a woman. A woman is in peril. That
was literally standing in a platum, a very intense moment
(32:01):
for everyone. We're not going to be able to release
this episode because you have something. Oh my god, because
you're a guest, you're singing so many copyrights. No, but
it's fine because I'm doing it my bad version, and
I'm doing it under like eight seconds. I know the law.
(32:24):
I know the law. So women are often women be
in peril in movies. They need they need saving, and
is it a very annoying I get saved at least
once a day, So it's a very annoying trump that
I hate. We don't see it in this movie. Instead,
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we see a woman saving a man or a woman robot.
That's true because there are no women humans. But it's
it's the scene where um Leon, the fourth replicant, who
we haven't met yet, he's like fighting with Deckert and
about to kill him by pushing his thumbs into his
eyes or that's the how you kill people if you're
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a robot. I liked that part. And he's about so
he's about too like eyes motion him and then he
gets but then he gets shot in the head and
reveal that it's Rachel Pick So Rachel, Rachel's saves Rachel
(33:29):
saves Deckert from getting dead. I like that this movie
subverts that very annoying trope. But there's so much that
it does. Like they're sure every female character in this
movie either exists to be a foil to a man
or to write like Rachel's whole reason for existing in
the movie is to facilitate the growth of Harrison Ford's character,
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Like that's why she's there, to change his attitude. I'm
out my room wants and maybe they're not so mad,
and like that's well. The thing is, he doesn't even
seem to hate replicants that much. He doesn't even know
anything about them. In the first scene when the dudes
explaining to them that, He's like, yeah, they only lived
for four years. You bet at your job. But he
didn't like one of them. Whatever, don't blade dogades just
(34:15):
like I'm a roll by, but I like Chris was
my favorite. I mean, little dar Daryl Hannah got she
has probably the most agency, or she's she's active. She
tricks the dude Sebastian into like, oh man, that guy
though with his weird like I've and you're like what
(34:37):
he is, like he has a disease where he ate
his like aging is accelerated. Dude is so awesome. I've,
but I look like shit, I'm a paynut farmer. But
also about I make friends, I would I would do
that if I was the guy who could do that
and make those easy. If there's anyone in the movie
that I could realistically see myself with it him. I
(34:59):
don't like it when they're full adult size, but when
they're tiny and they're like cartoon characters, that's pretty great.
Baby clowns. Check out clown. All they have to do
is like get bonked on the head and fall down
every now and then. It's not like, you know, it's
not like grueling work. But prison I mean she, I mean,
you can see both ways. I like she has the
(35:19):
most agency, but you could also be like, oh, they
made a little cunning witch female character. She's another of them.
They tell I'd like to pay for two tickets because
I love magic, Mr Pizza, cunning witches. So those are
(35:39):
the three prisons, Zora and Rachel. Rachel, what kind of
a character would you have liked to have seen put
in this? I mean, any human women? Why couldn't one
of the other Blade runners be a woman? His girlfriend?
Should it? But like, how removed should it be from him?
Like partner or love interest? I mean it didn't. You
(36:03):
don't need to necessarily add someone new to the story.
That wouldn't make sense for the story. But just like
he could have been his police chief decord, I need
fucking results. It could have been put on your blades?
Where are your blades? Where are your blades? She's as
mad about things he forgot to bring running. What's your problem? Yeah?
(36:27):
And we need a naggy woman in here. Oh there's
um the woman in the She like looks at the
snake scale. He thinks it's like a fit and she's like,
oh no, so there's a there's another woman with a
speaking roll I forgot about. But she's like, secretly, I
love you ded like Rachel, and forgive me if I
(36:49):
missed a part when I was taking a shower and
really not watching the movie at all, but it was on.
But there's like Rachel Harris a Ford and Rachel they
both sort of have like these identity issues, right, but
like Rachel, what's the resolution there where she's like, oh,
I guess I have the memories of the eyeball guy's
niece and I'm sad about that. But then there's no like,
(37:13):
where does that arc? You're going to go on the road? Right,
they're they're on the lamb now now they know the
robots and they're like to figure like figure it out.
I don't know. Like that that was the end of
where her character ended. Was like, oh, there was no
like she was truly they were like here's a shell
of a woman, forced her to say whatever you want. Okay,
(37:33):
that scene, let's talk about let's talk about that scene
was like so the scene where she's back at his apartment,
she's playing piano. He goes into kiss her very twilight.
He's all wounding over piano playing. He moves into kiss her,
she pulls away, gets up, tries to leave. He slams
(37:57):
the door shut. He's like shooting robots for you. So
we got pretty cool devil's advocating right now, So he
slams the door shut so that she can't leave. He
violently pushes her against the wall and then like corners
her puts his arms up sore, she can't move, she's crying.
(38:20):
He's like, kiss me, you want me to kiss you?
Kiss me? And she's like, she was like, you want me?
I want you to say it again. It is I
think meant to be I think it's meant to be
hot hot, but it is so ra That movie just
(38:41):
turned me on. He just kissed that woman who loves him.
She does it, well, that's okay. And then the three
female characters speaking to the fact that there's no human women.
All three female characters were invented by men. I was like, oh,
how hard is this movie thinking about itself? Answer, I
don't think very hard. But there was like a ten
(39:02):
minutes span where I'm like, maybe what really Scott's trying
to say is that men created these women and that's
why the female characters are so horrible, because it's just
the man's perception of what a woman should be doing.
And then I was like, oh, no, it's just bad.
This is just how you're giving it too much credit.
It's just bad, badly written female characters. But the the
(39:23):
escape and how because I always try to like car
ready for this podcast, I'm like, how would an asshole
explain away the point I'm about to make? And I
think it would be that's like, well, the women were
created by men, and so the men don't understand women,
so they just made women that made gents to them,
So women that wanted to get naked and sucked them, right,
So that was the Devil's advocate to degree there. Yeah,
(39:48):
I don't didn't even know that. I don't think they
were thinking very hard about that. I think, well, my
my thing is honestly, I just think, you know, movies
really didn't think about this till about ten years ago.
Hampton Fancher was not thinking about No, I don't know.
I mean like it was and it wasn't, but like
i'd say this, yeah, it just hasn't been applied. Philip K.
(40:08):
Dick was certainly not thinking about finding that book. It
was probably like nineteen sixty. It had to be in
the sixty. Yeah, it's badly made, Like you know, it's like, yeah,
you're totally right. There's a glaring problems that it's like,
now if you couldn't get away with it right. Well,
I'm interested to see if in the in this sequel
(40:30):
that's coming, if they're more interesting or developed female characters,
because like the love story that's set up between Harrison
Ford's character and Rachel is like, why do they like
each other? This happens all the time in movies where
it's like we're not sure what They're near each other
and they're both attractive, so naturally they're gonna want to
(40:50):
fucking be together forever. But like, so she'll do whatever
he tells. It's so like that whole thing. I was like, Oh,
so that's why he likes her, because he's like, hey,
say this thing to me that makes me feel cute.
I'm feeling about my hips, makes me feel cute. He's
(41:14):
hervy man curve. I got dumb thick butt. Though. One
thing I do like about the movie is that you
do see Duckard's as get kicked by two women because
Zora and Priss both beat the ship up. That's like
the most progressive thing you could do with a woman.
(41:35):
A man doesn't immediately naked ultra feminist in a movie.
Cain and I spent our nights and he's just hunting.
The press. Fight scene was really weird because she basically
like gets him in a headlock with her vagina. What
a weird way to fight, guys. Never kickled someone's fucking
head up, pure decapitation World combat style. And then Golden
(42:03):
ailes she puts her fingers up his nose. That's a
great way I hurt someone your nose is like stone
and humiliate them at the same time. The only thing
I learned about self defense I learned from Miscongeniality two thousand.
What'd you learn? Uh, there's a part where Sandra Bullock
says you have to remember to sing solar plexus, instep
(42:25):
knows groin and those are the places that you hit
people and then and then they stay away from you. Anyways,
was that a song? It's something whole? And then Benjamin
Bratt breaks out into song. And that's a great movie.
That is that movie good? Better than Runner? Hey, mis
(42:48):
Congeniality too? Maybe not well? Speaking of other movies and
other cop movies specifically, I wanted to make the point
that so many cop movies revolve around a male protagonist
in the cop or like two men cop buddies there
are who are sensitive about their body. It's so rare
(43:08):
that you see a female cop protagonist in a movie.
I made a list of man cop movies. Uh, get
rid of every Diehard That Departed Seven, Beverly Hills, Cup,
Lethal Weapons, Serpico, Chinatown, Dirty Harry l A, Confidential, The
French Connection, Bad Boys, forty eight Hours, Point break Y, Intouchables,
Training Day, super Troopers, Robotcot, Men in Black, Speed, Mad
(43:31):
Max Hots twenty one, Joshiss Kiss, Bang Bang, many many,
many more. A few exceptions Fargo, Silence of the Lambs. Wow,
almost all good movie. That Yeah, that is Yeah. Another exception,
(43:52):
The Heat. It was SMI great female cop. That's a
cop movie. She's FBI. Honestly, Miss g L is an
amazing movie. Michael Caine shines in that movie. Yeah, he's great.
Where's your Michael Caine? Impressure? I was like, Michael A
(44:20):
Michael Kaine, I've heard better. Yeah, it wasn't in me.
I didn't really want it. But anyway, so most cop
movies are male dominated. There's anything to do with the
cops and mostly being men. It could be, but our
cops mostly men because women don't see representation in media
of women being cops, so they're like, oh, it would
(44:41):
be weird for me to try to be a cop,
because I guess women can't be cops because I've seen
all these movies where it's all men being stemic. I
just finished season three of far Ago and didn't make
you want to fight crime. It maybe want to move
to the Midwest become a cop and she become troubled
with the state of is just as possible to require.
(45:02):
Actually that's the thing, is like every cop movie I see,
I'm like, no, I want to fight, cry like it
does totally about me. So like when you saw a Fargo,
did it make you go like fu, Yeah, I want
to fucking I've never want to find a body. I
want to find murders. I don't think so. Although when
(45:23):
I did see Harriet the Spy as a young kid,
wanted to be a spy school women because it's because
that's kind of happening with the new Jennifer Lawrence movie
that's coming out, Which One, Which One. It's like a
spy movie, She's a spy. It's it's only been teased
(45:43):
kind of what it is. And then immediately people were like,
why are women always betrayed his spies. Is it because
we're sneaky? And I was like, I don't know. That
sounds not fair on many levels. Did Harry the Spies
a movie? So yeah, Nancy Drew, Oh yeah, I wanted
to be Nancy Drew real mad, not Emma Roberts. Nancy Drew, hot,
(46:07):
big titty, fifteen year old, illustrated nanty Cher. Then she
had asked, Nancy, my mom made me read those books.
She was like, you Drew, Well, there's those books are
so because Nancy has ned Ned Nickerson, her boyfriend who's
a hottie and stays out of the way, which is great.
(46:29):
Ned Nickerson is hot and stays out of the way.
It's like, okay, that's what we're going to go for
the future. And then she has her two cousins or no,
her two friends who are cousins, one of whom is
not the star of the book because she's five pounds overweight.
They say that in every book. They say, folks was
about five pounds. She needed to be five, always five.
That is remarkably always fine. And then and then there's George,
(46:54):
who is who's a lesbian, but they say she's a
bit of a tomboy. It's someone who's five pounds too
heavy and a bit of a tomboy. And that's why
she's a perfect She's a strawberry bond and she's got
a beta cock. Wait for her to start solving crimes. Yeah, no,
(47:16):
I know she Well she does it in a cute
little skirt and she has a rowboat. It's the whole thing. Um,
Does anyone have anything else they want to say about
Blade Runner? And it's portrayal of women? Boo. Let's talk
about whether or not the movie passes the Bechtel test No,
the Betel testimeter. This is our avoid comptest. If you
(47:44):
were to sit really Scott down and ask him kind
of avoid comp on this, what would you ask him?
That is a quick That is a quick thing I
want to bring up is this is a really Scott movie.
And really Scott is all over the board like truly
a to z and how he treats women in his movies,
because he fucking directed Felmont and Louise. He directed Alien,
like two movies we've done in this podcast that are like,
(48:06):
I mean, Selman Louise fared very well. We gave it
a five nipple rating. Across the board. We did. We
did Alien a problem that it's like women are always
portrayed as like indestructible badasses also you know, I mean
in destructible, but they also died. I was we're thinking
about Ripley. I love aliens and aliens and stuff because
(48:30):
he has he has Alien Thulmt and Louise g I Jane.
Whoa g I Jane? G I Jane. I've never actually
seen that. It passes the bag. It's dumb, but but
it is supposed to be like, oh, you know whatever,
it's inherently done because they call her g I Jane
and she's joining the Navy Seals General Infantry. But then,
(48:51):
but then he's also directed a slew of movies Blade Renner, Gladiator,
Kingdom of Heaven, Magic Men, So he's all over the
board in terms of how well I would argue that
the writer of a movie is gonna have more say
and how a woman is portrayed than the director. I mean,
the director contract different choices, but it's ultimately the way
a woman is portrayed, at least in terms of like
(49:14):
how active of a role she plays in the story
and things like that is going to be up to
the writer. So I mean, you know, the director might
make decisions on like how you frame it and like
how like how little clothing she has on, and like
do we do like lingering shots of like mail gaze
kind of stuff. But I think it's so weird that,
you know, three years previous to this, he makes Alien
(49:35):
and then he's like, well, we've got to have a
twenty year old Daryl Hannah flailing with her tits out
for good thirty seconds before we allow the protagonists to shoot,
and the baby maker doesn't like, oh yeah, So it's
just I think that the real I'm telling you that
(49:56):
that's probably thought about. I'm telling you, are you telling
me that? What you tell us? Why? I love later
to explain it to people. I know, I'm telling you.
I think we can really like so we can really
blame Hampton Fancher, Yeah for best Actually you're in the
(50:19):
hot seat. But but it's just weird to think about,
like Ridley Scott's what's that word with too many bells?
Oh yeah, yeah, good, good point. Yeah. Well, I think
he's like one of those super like visual directors as
A've been thinking a bit about like directors recently, where
(50:39):
I'm like well, some seems like super hands on with
actors or like, you know, that's where they started because
that's their background. He just seems like art school visual guys.
So I always think he's it's almost like he's not
trying to empower Ripley or or or do you know
something with Elma and Luis. He's just like, this is
a beautiful story. Here is how is his shot? And
I am removed back. I want you to see this,
(51:01):
you know, this painting sort of thing. And he's not
thinking about the relationships so much. I guess that would
enable such a wide kinds of different stories that he tells. Yeah,
because it's like if he had some sort of like
specific agenda the way some directors too, I feel like
you wouldn't see that many different right, Yeah, because he's
in an a tour, but not necessarily like here I
(51:22):
am on the women's movement of My Girlfriend's seven. He's
forty nine. Okay, that's not great, that's too much. He
wears dumb hats and I beat him in a fight
and make okay, So back to the beach. Tol t
(51:50):
doesn't it doesn't, It doesn't pass, doesn't pass. There are
no scenes in the movie where they're even two women
in the same scene who are like how have aking rolls?
Like Zora and Press are never in the same scene,
which is weird because like they all those four knew
each other, Leon, Roy and Zora, and they regularly come
into contact with the male characters, right, But the two
(52:12):
women don't ever talk to each other, and then Rachel
never talks to either of them. I wonder if in
any of the seven fucking versions of this movie two
women talk to each other. Guarantee they don't know, right,
that's actually Deckerds like narration is like I imagine them
having conversations, they're probably boring, and we won't show them
probably talking about they could have had a conversation between
(52:36):
the two robots just about being yeah, like the robot experience.
It's kind of like the whole point of the movie basically,
like why can't they have a discussion about like their
loss of soul or you know, the solution of personality
sort of thing. I mean that would have been interesting,
like oh no, I don't want to die in four years?
Did they get their period? Do you think you got
(52:56):
a program in a period? Why would you make a
real going to control, the controlled our body. Um. But yeah,
there are a bunch of different versions of this movie.
I watched, um, the final cut one most recently. I
don't know how different any of the other one. I
(53:17):
watched the easiest one to steal over the World War one.
I don't know whatever the first one was. So there's
also the director's cut, the US theatrical cut, the international cut,
and something called the work prints the Night. They're all
the same except for the one with narration. Okay, I
would like that's just about making money, Like they just
re release it every now, and they were like the
editors final It's like we cut out one season. It's
(53:41):
a movie like, okay, good to know. So yeah, it
doesn't pass the back to test, no surprise there. Um.
And the thing is it also sucks as a movie.
It's well with that. Let's rate it, but we'll rate
it on our our nipple scale based on its portrayal
(54:02):
of women. So not how much you like the movie,
we're rating it on how it portrays women. Uh. And
it's a scale of zero to five nipples, and then
you can attribute those nipples to anyone you want, or
describe them or anything like describing them two inverted nipples
because that's the definition of it's a woman reverse Like
(54:23):
they didn't understand it, and that's what happened with this movie.
So that's why I go for that artistic rating molmost
silence very rating. Um okay, yeah, sorry, I forgot to
be silent for the moment of silence. I would give it, Yeah,
like a one and a half or two nipples. Um,
(54:47):
I'm gonna go with a one and a half. The
women you do see on screen, none of them are human.
Most of them are bad, and it's fine to have
a female villain, but they're all so poorly developed that
we don't really know anything about what their feelings are,
what their perspective is, or anything like that. We see
one's nipples for pretty much no reason. Um, excuse me,
(55:11):
I got horny, and then and then a pan bag
like cut two from nipples back to snake. It's like, wait,
what is they are playing here? Oh? I get its
snake someone he's got a garbage bag full of popcorn?
(55:34):
Doc mad. Yeah that The love story between Ducker and
Rachel like makes no sense. We're not sure why they
like each other. Uh yeah, generally, just the female characters
exists to what you were saying, either either like be
a foil to the men to specifically Deckert, or be
(55:56):
a random love interest. That doesn't make any sense. So yeah,
one and a half nipples. The nipples belong to the
owl in the movie. And I know that, Okay, So
I know they nipples to birds have Caitlin so generally,
not how many nipples everyone has. Generally birds don't have
any nipples. However, I think I think we can all
agree like cock bar cock birdies. I think we can
(56:24):
all agree that owls are hot cats, especially I've always
graduated like dude, smart education. No owls are sky cats.
Their cats with wings, and cats do have eight nipples.
This has been cat facts with Caitlin. But so we
see the owl at the Replican owl, and so the
(56:45):
nipples belong to to that. I give this movie one nipple.
It sucks. I don't like it. If you got a
problem with it, hey bring your hardcover bill of k
Dick Anthology and beat me to death over the head.
I don't care. This movie blows there. There's all the
(57:09):
characters were like, just there's nothing, there's nothing there. This
movie made me had to take a shower midway through,
I thought this movie had liam. It was so bad.
I clearly watched it of my patients in the morning.
I couldn't do I could not do it. I couldn't
like this movie. Got it? I don't. I didn't. Who'll
(57:36):
throw another nibble to the owl? Sure? Okay, that's gonna
full set? Yeah and it's um well, thank you so
much Hampton for being here. Yeah, Hampton, Yeah, Hampton Yunt.
It's kind up comedian, right, bald Rock on tour? Where
can people follow you on Twitter? Twitter would be my favorite? Okay,
(57:58):
Hampton Yunt great at Twitter. You can follow the bachtel
Cast at bachtel Cast on Twitter and Instagram, and can
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(58:21):
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(58:41):
money is any you can give us. We've gotten Australian dollars,
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the money, guys, it's good. Thank you. We love it.
(59:03):
And uh and let's all get on our blades and
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