Boogie Nights with Josh Androsky

This week Caitlin and Jamie get naked (spiritually) with Paul Thomas Anderson's twenty-minutes-too-long Boogie Nights with guest Josh Androsky! Don't worry, a huge penis is a central focus point of the movie so we're sure it's great to women!

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
On the Dog Cast, the questions asked if movies have
women in them, are all their discussions just boyfriends and husbands,
or do they have individualism the patriarchy? Zef and Best
start changing it with the Beck dol Casts. Hello and
welcome to the beckdel Cast. I'm your host, Caitlin Darante.
I'm your other host, Jamie Lautus, and we have a

(00:21):
podcast about the portrayal of women in movie. It's not
this one is a different one. It's a different one.
We're starting off hot. Yeah, we're doing role man hot today.
I kept telling myself, I'm gonna stop calling myself the
other host. Yeah, but I'm mothering myself, you know, I

(00:41):
just try to. I know, it's not your fault. It's
my fault. I mean don't know, but I keep casting
myself as the b character of my own story. It's like, Jamie,
what do you do it? Yeah, don't do that. You're
like a who's a star? Who's this member of single
movie star? I'm Natalie Portman. I'm not Mila coup Is right?
That dirty? Okay? This is this is what happens when

(01:07):
our guests are late. I hit the MIC's hard, too hard.
Before we start, and then the opening as a disaster.
Normally I'm very together for the opening, and then it
goes and then yeah, let's just entro our guests. Then okay.
He is a writer for SpongeBob square Pants. Hey cool,
and he is with the Democratic Socialists of America the

(01:29):
Los Angeles chapter. Interesting juxtaposition, Josh Androwski. Hello, I'd also
like to point out I was a writer for I
did nothing I say currently reflects the values of the
Nickelodeon Corporation, Like look, come see, I couldn't say that
they you can. You gotta sneak it in. Yeah, sneak

(01:51):
it in. Get a lot of socialism into that show too, Okay,
socialism income we're off the bat. Let's talk gender roles,
because I kept trying to get bright part Info Wars
and shipped to get mad at me for Colin Baron
Trump a waterhead, but they only got mad at women
that did it right, because not just the way it
just the way. It's almost as if it's not at

(02:13):
all about the thing. It's just about men that aren't
okay with powerful women. Wow, that's crazy when you think
about it. I would like to reallocate some things that
people are mad at me about and give them to you.
I could take them, dude. Yeah, what do I do
all day? I got a bookieboard, put it on my
bookie board, unpacked and put it onto my bookie board. Wow,

(02:35):
what a great transition to the movie we're talking. Oh
that that was on purpose. I just love books. Who
uses the word bookie with any regularity? Hello, let's take
the transition. Let's ride that wave. Yeah. Oh whoa, whoa, whoa.
I know. Let's see how many bad puns we can

(02:57):
squeeze into this episode. I mean squeeze and a good day.
Oh yeah, that's it's a squeeze. That's I think the
official genre squeeze. Paul Thomas Anderson fuck squeeze anyway, if
you haven't guessed or the movie is Boogie Nights, written

(03:24):
and directed by Paul Thomas Anderson and all his high
school friends. If you want to believe some of the stories,
I haven't heard those stories. He stole the whole movie.
He made it with his friends and that was like bye,
and then made it himself. But just you know, typical man.
I would like to say right off the top, I
don't trust three names. I never have trusted three names.

(03:45):
I never will trust three names. I enjoy this film,
I perhaps enjoy this three names creative output, sure, but
I would never trust him with my life. A lot
of the cast of the movie has three names. Because
you've got Jonathan Taylor, Thomas Up, Michael Clark, Dunkee, Marquis
Mark Wilberg. Well, if you count someone using their middle initial,

(04:07):
that's a third name. You've got your John c Riley's
you're William H. Mason, and you've got Philip Seymour Hoffman,
I'm exact, Julie, Anne Moore, Heather Room Room Graham. That's
for something I'll be bringing up a lot in this
particular episode is guess who doesn't have three names? Alfred
Molina just a bunch of syllables but only two names.

(04:31):
I love him this movie. I also am a just
gonna gently flick my being to all his scenes and
feud tonight. So, Josh, when did you first see the movie?
I saw this movie as part of like that like
awakening that you have when you're like fourteen and you're
like I'm an adult, where you're just like these movies

(04:56):
defining me and everything. I'll talk about for the next
six years and so. Yeah, so I was like fourteen
or fifteen, and I saw it when he says Dirk
Diggler and the sign comes on and like it explodes
and it's so big, Like that was what the movie
did to my brain. Well, yeah, the sign comes this
is basically my head. Jeez. I saw it again around

(05:21):
the same age. I might have been a little older.
I think I was sixteen. I just knew it was
one of those movies that was very iconic, and I
was like, I gotta watch this if I'm going to
be a film major at Penn State. Uh. So, I
saw it when I was in high school to prepare
for all the you know, movies I would need to
know about. Much like Penn State, this movie also features

(05:43):
a prominent old white pedophile. Yes, oh it's sad when
he cries though it is you're my friend. And then
the scene that I didn't remember when he's like in
jail and he's like getting beaten up by his cellmate.
I didn't remember that scene. Characters. Yeah, I thought for

(06:08):
the first time then, and then I didn't watch it
again until maybe a few months ago. I was like, oh,
I gotta see this movie again. It's been a very
long time. And then uh, and then I rewatched it twice,
as I always do in preparation for every episode because
I care too much. It's hard when you set a bar,

(06:29):
you know, man, It's not because then I've got to
get of the way there. And then I'm challenged by that.
When had you seen it first? I saw maybe a
half hour of it in high school. When my dad
used to do this really funny thing, or after we
fall asleep, he would watch the sun Dance Channel because
we couldn't afford that. What are the sexy channels? We

(06:50):
couldn't afford the premium like HBO. Yeah yeah, yeah. So
my my dad would seek out titties on the Sundance
channel at night and one I'm sorry, no, I have
to we need to give that a moment just for
the last thing you just said. You just have to
say it one more time and I'm really sorry to interrupt. Okay, okay. Uh.
My dad would seek out titties on the Sundance dannal

(07:11):
thank you at nights. Uh. And then sometimes I would
be like, I can't sleep, I'm gonna go down and
hang out with my dad. And one time he was
watching Boodie Knights, and before he realized all the discussing
things were about to happen, He's like, yeah, this is
my favorite movie. And then I watched it for like
fourteen minutes and we saw all these It was the
scene with Julianne Moore's like sweet little pink nip and

(07:37):
I was like, all right, this is where I'm going
to tap out and go upstairs. And he kept watching
and then I watched it. It It took me like ten
years to sleep that off, but I watched it again
and I like it. One of the first times I
saw Titanic after he had come out on VHS, I
was watching in my living room and my dad came
in and it was like the nude drawing scene and

(08:00):
and he didn't walk away, so we were just sitting there.
And I think it was also in that same moment
that I asked him what flour play was, because I
legitimately had no idea what that word meant. And he
stuttered and stumbled and then walked away, and I was like, Okay, well,
at least I got what I wanted in terms of
him not being in the room during this sex scene.

(08:20):
How old were you? I must have been like twelve.
I had heard the word and I was like, I
don't know what that means, and so I I just
thought it was a very innocent question because you knew
what fingering was when you were twelve. I yeah, I know.
I think everybody, come on, do you know what it is? Now? No,

(08:43):
it's like, okay, imagine your body. I'll figure it out. No.
I didn't. Well, I think maybe we've talked about it.
I didn't know what any sex things were until they
were happy happening as an in real time learner. I
told you how, Yeah, I did, because the guy I
was talking about texting me, I was like, hey, why
did you say that you saw it invented oral sex

(09:04):
on women? Yeah? And I thought he was and I
thought it was a pervert. Yeah, I thought what he
listens to the podcast, he's a bit Yeah. Shout out
to Steven, who I thought invented oral sex. Anyways, Yeah,
we're still we're still tight. Was it the movie we're
talking about? It's Boogie Nights. Let me give you the
famous Caitlin's recap or whatever. This movie it's like an

(09:27):
ensemble cast, but the focus is a character named Dirk
Diggler played by Mark Wahlberg, and he is a seventeen
year old kid working in a nightclub. He sort of
gets scouted by this adult filmmaker. He's both an adult
and he makes adult films. Just in case you were confused, Well,

(09:48):
because one adult makes child films, let's revealed laters. So
it is a good distinction. It is, uh yeah, films
for and by children. It's like kids, Bob Yeah, oh boy,
Jack Horner right corner and he's like, hey, you should
work with me, and he's like okay, and then they

(10:09):
see his dick and it's huge and they're like, oh yeah,
we definitely want to work. We gotta employ this hog.
When did the word hog come into the vernacular? Because
I was waiting for her to be Alige in this
movie that was like sweet hog, you know, and never came.
I don't know when that happened. I feel like it
was a different scene, like a different the different social scene.
I feel like there were people, there were people that

(10:30):
Altamont talking about hogs. There had to be I feel
like that was, you know, the seventies is where the
phrase hog would because like maybe like a ken ke zy,
like you know, Portland bikers. It's like, you know, like
I don't want to call it a cork. I don't
want to call it a crank. There's got to be
something that's softer but gets the point across. And then
he's got a large farm animal. All right, I'm narrowed down. Okay,

(10:53):
uh big no ever, No, that's that's that implies female?
Yeah right right right? Horse? No close? Nope? Wait, back,
you were closer with horse? Hi? Okay, we're so close. Okay, Wait,

(11:14):
there's gotta be another vowel. We can put a hag.
All right, guys, I know I've said this a lot today,
but we're the next one we say. I think we're
gonna do it. And by the way, we're all bakers
that were all out of our minds on speed right now. Okay,
one to three h I think we got it. Great hogs, everybody,

(11:37):
we've all had our hogs out this entire time. Yep.
I'm a great, bright, beautiful, shining star. Okay, to all
the perverts listening right now, I hope your hogs have
been out. Yes, uh, we expect that of you. Hogs
out baby, welcome to the back. You gotta start that
every wait, do you have a catchphrasey after your podcast

(11:58):
grow up? Right, Well, now you gotta another one, and
it's hogs Out. It's the Bexel Cats. Hogs out, grow up.
The rest of the story, Yeah, sum, I know. Basically,
he's like, my name's Dirk now not Eddie, and I'm
gonna make these adult films and he like rises to

(12:19):
superstardom in the porn industry and everyone loves him and
it's huge dick. And then he starts doing a bunch
of coke and he has like everyone has sort of
like this fall from Grace at the end of the seventies,
and there's the starting of the eighties that all goes
to ship right exactly literally moment one of when it
all goes to chip Um. And then there's all these
secondary characters that each of their own subplot read rothchildk

(12:44):
chest Rockwell, yeah, okay, John c Riley a young hand
not to uh objectified John c Riley, but I'm gonna
go for it. Uh. It is so weird to see
John c Riley with like a tight little body and
the same hairline as he has today. Head up, he's

(13:05):
current John c Riley. And then from the neck down
he's like a babe. It's confusing. Yes, he's got a
subplot where he, you know, wants to be a magician,
and that just like hits really close to home from
the way that makes me want to flip a table.
Why Why? Because I feel like I'm drawn to people

(13:27):
who secretly want to be magicians and and it's just
a vile habit. I think. Yeah. I was at a
bar in college at again Penn State, and those sirens.
This guy was doing card tricks and then his friend
was doing like mentalism stuff, and I was so I

(13:50):
love magic, So I was like, oh my god, I
love this. Guys want to go? I asked neither of
them in particular. I just sort of posed the question
at both of them, and I said, do you want
to go on a date? And because they weren't sure
who the question was directed at, they both showed up.
So I went on a like three way date with
these two magicians, but one magician, one mentalist. Are you

(14:15):
sure this wasn't a nightmare you had? This was real
life's Red Shoe Diaries. I mean it was fun. They
did magic tricks the whole time. They didn't did no,
they didn't. And then did they pull anything out of
their hats? They pulled their hogs out, They pull out
their hogs from their hats, hogs out? Did they both

(14:36):
pull their hogs out? No, that didn't know. It was like,
this is a wild story. I love it. I'm gonna
make my penis disappear and then it just recedes into
his guy. I would want to see that trick. Love
a good trick. I took clowning classes one important for okay,

(15:03):
for love, I have found my inner clown. And it
was this different from the puppeteering classes. You took different thing.
Oh my god, Jamie didn't think. This is around the
same time, probably the same calendar year. Troubling year for me.
I took the took the puppet classes, and then amazingly,
the puppeteer, who was ten years older than me, never

(15:26):
fell in love with me, who lived in the attic
of the puppet theater. So I was like, all right,
let's be mature, let's move on. Is this like a
Phantom of the Paper situation. It's a fan of the opera.
If he doesn't give a funk about you, that's no fun.
And it's just a guy who lives in a dank

(15:46):
place with a weird face, with a weird face and
a lot of puppets, and then and then I was like,
all right, now I have a crush on the clown
and I took his clown class and gang I was
the star of the class. Uh, teachers at the clown class.
And then, uh, I never saw him again. Well, we're

(16:09):
talking about who knows. There's a lot of carnival music
and boogie nights. There is just saying Michael Penn score
very good. I believe it was Michael Penn that scored it.
And there's a lot of carnival music in it. So
this all this all check check out. I was listening
to Elo on the way over. Well, yeah, I love
l O. I'm almost at the end of the recap,
which has maybe been my worst one yet, but I

(16:31):
don't know, you almost two magicians in the middle of it.
I feel like it's been the best one. Uh. So
everyone has had sort of their fall from Grace Dirk.
Digglers like jerking off in front of people for money
and then they don't even pay him. They beat the
ship out of him instead. Things like that beat them up. Yeah. Uh,
and then everyone realizes, oh, maybe I should start doing

(16:53):
so much coke and like maybe get my life back
on track. And then you know, some g E d
s are taken and people who need help ask for help,
and then everyone sort of has a little kind of comeback. Yeah.
I was surprised at how pleasant the end of this
movie is, like everyone right, Yeah, William age Macie is

(17:13):
truly sort of the only victim of the movie. Well
and all those guys who got shot that covered Don
Cheedle in blood right, but that led to him and
his wife, But truly the only two innocent, nice, good,
perfect people other than Scotty. Uh, but Scotty is the
sin of the key, He's too covetous. But truly, the

(17:36):
only pure people in the movie are Don Cheetle and
I forget the actress's name who plays he marries um
Jesse st Vincent. Yes, yes, yes, who I believe was
played by an actual adult actress. Maybe I think so,
I'm not sure, Okay, r I P Philipsy, We're happy,
but this is like peak Philipsy were hoff and where
the whole movie He's like, what, why do you love me?

(18:06):
Here's my message to Philips and more. Hoffman's ghost grow up,
here's my ghost. Can I kiss you right now? I'm
gonna kiss you on the mouth. Please let me that's
how I please, let me kiss you on the mouth.
That he's like on the mouth. That is one of

(18:27):
many very hard scenes to watch in this movie. Yes,
the scene. The other one that's especially hard is whenever
Roller Girls in the limo Jack Horner and they pick
up that guy who she went to high school and
like slut shamed her in the middle of an exam,
and then that's when she's like, I'm not going to
be in high school anymore, rolls out of the classroom.
But yeah, that seems super empowering. That's completely flipped, like

(18:50):
the empowerment of that slut shame, but also I think
led her back to go finish her. So it's like
a weird circular thing for a woman who wears wheels
all the time. Well, she's found to go on circles.
Was the puns are coming back? She don't take her
roller skates off to have sex. That's cool. Yeah, I

(19:13):
love how they sucked that song from Burt Reynolds and
I have a dream. At the end of that scene though,
after they get out of the limo, and then they
beat the ship out of that guy and then she
like stomps him on the face with her rollers. Yeah,
and I was like, you know what, good for her?
I usually don't condone violence, but you stop that guy

(19:35):
in the face. This is the Yeah. I like roller
Girl and she is part of this movie. I was,
you know, as a ciss hat white straight male. Yeah.
I don't watch the I don't watch movies like Looking
for the Bechtel Test. You know, it's just not a

(19:55):
thing that I think of, But this movie passed it
within the first five minutes. There is a like that
very uh we've talked about this towards the end of
the thing is that you're stomping on our faces with
your roller. That's a good one. Thanks. Uh yeah, well
we'll get to that. But I never listened to the
podcast that I showed up twenty five minutes late, so

(20:17):
typical fund up on that. God the podcast because groovy baby,
I'm gonna you ever have that like thought where you're
just like, what if I just hit my head so
hard at the table I passed out. That's like a

(20:39):
lot of first date thoughts have had. Uh No, this
is a fun one, Okay, so like, if you're a
dinner resonant or you know, at a at a Denny's,
perhaps and go on first dates at a Denny's, I insist, okay,
But anyways, like if your hand and you're having a
bad time and you're like, I hate this person, do
you ever think about like taking the knife and just

(21:01):
chopping your hand off just to like get them to
stop talking, because then they'd be like, oh wait, speaking
of like a horrible first dates, I'm gonna tell a
very quick story that's also very relevant to the movie
where So I went on the first date in New
York City with a guy who turned New York City
concrete jungle where dreams are made of. So you were

(21:22):
walking here, walking here with this guy there's you can't do? Okay,
grow up? Um, so you're pizza pie. I was like, hey,
I'm walking here. I went on a date. We had
nothing in common. He was very very boring. We did
briefly talk about what he did for a living, which

(21:43):
was he's like, and I'm an actor in a model
and okay, cool, what have you been in? And I
don't know? It was a match dot he was pretty,
which will come into the story later. I met him
on match dot com and um, but like I left
the date earlier. It was so miserable that I was like,
I can't even I was there for an hour and
then I was like, I'm going to go home and
never talked to you again. Fast forward to a year later,

(22:06):
I was living in Central Pennsylvania and I got a
job as an assistant to a talent scout who scouted
for men to be in jerk off videos for gay
porn websites. I think I know where this is going,
and I'm so excited. This is how you guys met originally. Yeah,

(22:27):
I scouted you. Yeah, wild I love this story. First
my name was Beefie Beaver and then I'm now I'm
I've lost some weight and I'm OOPSI otter and so
it's fun. It's fun. We're having fun. Okay. So we
were having a hard time finding people, and I was like, hey,
I went on a date with this guy who was

(22:49):
like very good looking, like the type of guy we
were looking for. They wanted very chiseled exactly, and he
I know I've frequented and he with the description. So
I was like, why don't we like email him and
just see because he said he was an actor in
a model he might be willing to do this type
of work, who knows. So I still had his phone

(23:11):
number and we googled it to see if like an
email address would pop up. I didn't, But what did
pop up was like twelve profiles advertising him as a
gay for pay mail escort. I guess the lord must
be in New York City. So I had gone on
a date with what turned out to have been a

(23:33):
mail prostitute. Uh, so we emailed him or we found
there was like a contact page on one of his profiles.
It was midnight Cowboy at this is not a movie jazz.
He never wrote back, though, and I was like, well,
why wouldn't you do this stuff already? Yeah, maybe he
does it for the love of the game. Well maybe,

(23:55):
Well why didn't he do it pro bono? Then? Or
hen I had a gun pointed. I thought I was
gonna say, boner. Hey, shall we talk about the movie? Sure? No, okay,
it is like my favorite movie. If I had to
pick if I if many times do you think you've

(24:15):
seen it? Oh? God? Uh? Countless? I mean like start
to finish, not doing anything but watching the movie, probably
like twenty this movie is at least for me, going
to be kind of tricky to talk about in this
context because the porn industry has historically been based on
objectifying people women, especially women. Uh So a movie about

(24:41):
this industry is like maybe not going to portray women
in the best light if they're like depicting it accurately.
But also like this movie doesn't do a terrible job,
and they do acknowledge there are different points in the
story where like Dirk Diggler's like, I don't want to
see women treated that it and um, there's a scene

(25:02):
when he's about to have his first sex scene with
amber A k a Pink Nips and they're like, Okay,
here's what you're gonna do. And he's like, well do
we just go like right into the sex And he's
like yeah, yeah, And then he turns to Ambery he's like,
are you okay with that? Like, so he's like making
sure everything is about to happen is something that she's
consenting to. So you know, that was interesting to see

(25:25):
on screen. Um, and also like not a big deal,
Like it wasn't like, you know, it wasn't one of
those things where it's like we're going to talk about consent,
but like very quietly throughout, like you could root for
Mark Wahlbert because the entire time he was like, very
I feel like consenting and wasn't the monster that you
would expect somebody that was on that much cocaine and

(25:46):
an important industry to be right. In fact, not a
lot of the characters were as villainous as you might
think considering the industry that they were working. And although
there is that part whenever I think Amber is making
a documentary about porn or specifically her colleagues, and she's like, well,
what about the violence that's happening towards women in these movies,

(26:08):
and he's she's speaking specifically about the Brocklanders series, and
Dirk's just like, well, like whatever, that's just what the
movie is, Like, that's my character, that's not me. And
then read Rothchild said something similar. He's like, well, if
you know, if movies cause violence, and then we could
just eliminate violence altogether by getting rid of movies. And
it's like, I feel like that at least is portrayed
as like comedy, they're stupid. Yeah, exactly, it was played

(26:32):
for comedy. That was one of the dumbest moments they had.
It was like that, and then the when they recorded
their song, We're like there too, funny sidest moments like
as friends. That was another scene that was so hard
to watch because they were so bad at music and
Dirk Deggler is the worst singers. And then they were like,
we made gold here. If we could just get our tapes,
we could have a record deal and give us our

(26:53):
tapes because that's everyone we know. Delusion, I live for Delusion. Well,
rock you, we will like a little kitten. The tone
of this movie is very interesting because it goes from
like having quite a bit of comic relief to that

(27:15):
whole sequence where like everyone is like they've totally sucked
their lives up. And it starts with William H. Macy
shooting his wife and her lover and then himself, and
then that just becomes this whole sequence where everyone is
a disaster. They're all like coke aduled and they're jerking
off for ten dollars in front of people, which they

(27:37):
were doing at the beginning. Its Well, it was a
fun full circle moment when he's jerking off for ten
dollars again. Well, I'll get back there, sure, but like it.
And this sequence is so tragic people are getting the
ship beat out of them and stuff, but um so
that the tone kind of shifts, but then it shifts

(27:59):
back again end towards the end of the movie where
they're all like, hey, it's all right, I took my
g E d and I get to be in a
poor movie again and I'm going to show my dick
and because I'm I'm Dirk Diggler and I'm cool. But
there's so much there's a bunch of like running jokes,
where one is when William H. Macy keeps walking in

(28:21):
on his wife sucking some other dude and he's like,
what the hell are you doing and she's just like,
get out of here. You're embarrassing me. And that has
one of my favorite line, one of my favorite lines
of the movie, which is actually a funk up that
they kept in where he goes Williams goes up to
Ricky J. The magician and the I R L magician

(28:41):
who was in this movie, and he goes, my wife
has an assent her cock in the driveway and it's
not and he's just so flustered that he says ass
in her cock and that was a funk up, but
they kept it in because Paul Thomas Anderson just loved
how legit flustered Little Bill was. And yeah, I caught
that and I wrote it down, is like that is funny,

(29:02):
total funk up by William H. Macy. Not planned what
fun up. He's unnoticed that running joke is like such
a class example of like the rule of three, and
it heightened each time, and then at the very end,
like how much more can you heighten it besides like
suicides exactly, But like up until then, it was like

(29:23):
a really funny running gag. And but also it spoke
to the power that women had over men in this movie.
And that's something that I really tried to watch it,
like really focusing on the women in this movie because
usually I'm a read rothchild. That's how I watched the movie.
I watched it from his perspective, like when I was
like a teen, I just like the John c Riley

(29:44):
and then trying not to be the philipsine more Hoffman.
But I watched how the women affected the men and
how they interacted with each other a lot, and women
had the power almost throughout the entire movie except for
when the ship hit like really hit the ski kids
was when like there weren't that as much like women
in charge. Like the whole reason that this happened was

(30:06):
because Marky Mark's mom is the most powerful woman in
that family, you know, like if you're talking like pure
power dynamics, cook Dad, cook dad, and then like wanted
to her son. Maybe it was weird that there was
a weird moment in the beginning when he shoves here
against the wall. I was like, are they get kissed? Yeah?
I did not interpret it that way. Oh I felt

(30:28):
it it was this morning for mommy. Yeah, no, but
that I mean that was interesting because it's like, you know,
the movie is already so long, there was no time
to explain why the family dynamic was that way per se,
but it was so like it heightened so quickly and
so intensely. I guess that's like one of the female
characters where I was like why is that? You know,

(30:49):
like why is that the dynamic here? She understood why
they did it for like narrative reasons, because she's basically
the catalyst that gets him to be like Okay, I'm
gonna choose his path of being and I need a daddy,
right yeah. Also, yeah, a mommy and a daddy. Yeah.
So basically Amber ends up being his like mother figure,

(31:11):
and then Jack Horner ends up being his father figure.
And so it was kind of upsetting to see his mom,
his actual mom, being such like a shrew and just
such an awful person. But I mean that's how some
people are, so you know, I guess it makes sense.
And the dad was portrayed just as shitty. He like

(31:32):
had no idea how to connect with his son at
all or his wife for the world that you could
just how this guy was, like it was one of
those three you just like staring out of a window
and then the scenery behind him changes. About that dad, Yeah,
spin up movie cut dad, cut daddy, cut daddy. So, Josh,

(31:53):
your point about like women kind of being the most
powerful force of the movie, I I agree, and I disagree.
I do like how anytime there's a sex scene, it's
often like on the women's terms and they're like calling
the shots and they're saying like, don't come inside me,
I never take my roller skates off, blah blah blah.
But in terms of like the actual narrative and the

(32:15):
portrayal of their stories, like so every single character or
every main character has their own subplot where they have
like an individual desire or something they're pursuing. So you've
got like Don Cheatle wants to open a stereo store.
John c Riley wants to be a magician, and he's
like a musician and our poet and stuff like that,

(32:37):
and the sugar, the sugar is full of bees, but
the bees don't sting. Oh yeah, So you have these
different male characters have like these pretty strong desires, whereas
the women, in particular Roller Girl and Amber, they kind

(32:57):
of have their subplots are just either like not as
clearly defined or if they do have like a distinct desire,
they're not pursuing it that ambitiously or nearly as ambitiously
as the men are. So like Amber's character she has
a son. I mean, I feel free to disagree with me,
but um, she has a son and she is trying
to like pursue getting him back and it doesn't work

(33:19):
out for her. But I don't know, it just it
didn't strike me as like being as strong or is
a prominent part of the story as these other like
male subplots were. And then same thing with Roller Girl
to me, she can't. She's just you know, doing the movies.
She wants to go back and get her G E D. Eventually,
that's something that's revealed because she drops out of high school,

(33:39):
but she doesn't really have a definitive desire that's like
carrying her subplot. I kind of disagree with that. I
think I think that they, you know, we could both.
We could argue that both these characters have clearly defined goals,
but they're just not as successful at achieving them. And
I think that that is like probably part of why

(34:00):
this movie reflects this industry and all this stuff where,
you know, for the guys that feel like it pans
out in a more black and white way. But I
think that with with Uh, with Amber she wants her son,
and then we see with the documentary she makes that
she also sort of has higher aspirations than just being
like the true woman important and neither of those really

(34:23):
pan out for her. But I feel like there is
like an aspiration for something more and in your right
that it's a little bit less defined. But Uh, and
then Roller Girl with her G E D also you know,
like lots of roadblocks. But I don't know, I didn't
I did think that for sure, every character's subplot was

(34:43):
clearly defined, and just for the female characters, it didn't
tend to work out as black and white. I would
also say that, um, they're most Both of their most
intense desires were freedom, like the freedom to do what
they want as women. You know. I think that that
was like, really the crux of ambers thing was she
liked to party and fuck and be the mother of

(35:07):
all of these people who are already old enough to
agree with her and want to do But then she
wanted her son, like she wanted to have it both ways,
and like it's the seventies, you know, like and same
with the roller girl, like you saw her in school,
like she was trying hard to like figure it out,
and then like the dudes at the school were fucking assholes,
and so she wanted the free She doesn't take off

(35:27):
her skates. She gets what she wants, you know, in
her way. I think it's a lot of it is
a commentary on society like that time and how hard
it is for a woman to even be able to
come up with a distinct desire in this world, you know,
like you're not useful in the seventies if you're a woman,

(35:49):
like to to capitalism, to industry, to whatever, you know,
you would have to fight so much fucking harder. And
so I think a lot of this was like the
you know, last remnants of really love trying to like
get for freedom. It also could be the men's characters
desires are more outward and the women's characters designs were

(36:10):
more like internals. That's an interesting point though, because I
think that you could probably find a moment where every
male man or sub character clearly states what they want,
maybe with the exception of Philip Seemore Hoffmann, because I
don't want to kiss you on the math, I want
to kiss you in the mouth. He does. But but
we don't really hear those sort of mission statements made

(36:31):
by the female characters, which maybe why it's less clear,
or if we do, you know, we could sort of
argue that roller Girl sort of makes that mission statement,
uh in that scene where she's talking to Amber, but
that's yeah, like, but that's just them, you know, and
it's like never stated to a male character. Yeah, And
well that's also when she's like, I'm going to go
back and get my g E D. And we don't

(36:54):
learn that about her until that's towards the end of
the movie. Yeah, but did she know that about her? Um,
maybe not until that point. Is that what you mean?
Maybe that was like a moment of clarity for her.
She has kicked around for quite a bit of the
movie before we know what she actually wants. We also
have to remember that she's very young and like but

(37:17):
the same thing seduced into this world, just like Eddie
from Torrents. You know. But yeah, I mean this is
why this movie is, like, it's very complex. So it's
like kind of difficult to at least for me to
very long. It's very to take a walk. It's two
and a half hours long. Yeah, that exceeds my attention span.

(37:38):
But I did my best. Wait, you so you've seen
it countless time, So you spent like day's worth of time,
Probably at least two days of my life. It's been
watching Boogie Nights and I love it. I mean, Titanic
is three and a half hours long. I've probably seen
it fifty times. Yeah, we've maybe a whole week, probably
at least three days watching the Jinks. Yeah, like I

(38:01):
think all the way through talked about him no bathroom breaks.
I am on a piss strike. I am announcing it
now on this podcast two years. Hey, here's a question
in The Big Lebowski. Whenever the dude meets Jackie Treehorn,

(38:21):
is that I wonder if that's a vague allusion to
well Jack Corner. Isn't that like a nursery friend, little Jack? Yeah,
I mean that's a fake name, Corner, Yeah, pointing themselves.
I should have chosen a porn scout name for myself.
Oh yeah, actually I had one because my boss. My

(38:41):
boss made me business cards to hand out that I
never did, never handed a single one out to anyone.
You should start handing them out now. I might still
have that. I kept my first name, but my last
name was Kelly. Caitlyn Kelly for right now. That's a

(39:05):
great name. I think you're going to say your name
was like sex Xena. Oh that would have been good.
Fuck guy, horsewoman Caitlin the Hog, big old hog Kelly.
Hogs out hogs out grow up dogs out Kelly. Let's
let's do our general tests, Aristole. If we forget any less, no, uh,

(39:33):
steampunk imagery in this movie, I'm happy to report very low.
Is there any steampunk immagery that not a rogue gear.
And there's two magicians in the movie. There's two magicians,
and yet they suck, and so steampunk culture is not glorified.
I'd like to point out that Josh Androwski is currently

(39:54):
vaping the vision. It smells like coffee. It smells like
breakfast here, bab um. What else? There's no bald women
in this movie, so I can't apply her bald woman test.
What else is? We did mention Titanic already? We did

(40:14):
mention Titanic. We said grow up? Did we say I'm triggered?
If not, I'm triggered. I've said it a couple of times. Okay,
you've been triggered quite a bit. Yeah, this is very
trigger woman. There's no women. It doesn't pass the fact text.
Wait doesn't it? Because I was gonna say that's not

(40:35):
stem I wish that roller Girl had had a more
defined desire. She wanted to go back and get her
g e d to specifically go on to be a
woman instead. I want to be a woman instead. Hold on.
Julianne Moore explains the process in which a chemical enters
your body Cocaine to Marky Mark the first time he

(40:57):
does it, which is chemistry that ain't STEMP. There's also
a lot of chemistry in this movie that ain't STEMP.
Baby chemistry, the lab, the chemistry between Julianne Moore and
Mark Wahlberg during that first sex scene when she says
to come in her Oh like a romantic chemistry. Funny. Okay,

(41:23):
Josh was doing it funny. We didn't realize what's up there? Oh,
how many degrees you have? I have two degrees. I
mentioned one of them already, a film degree from Penn State.
Do you just can't stop? I can't. And then I
have a second, a master's degree in screenwriting from Boston University.

(41:44):
I still just got my one in radio broadcasting. I
dropped out of high school. Much like roller Girl, I'm
the roller Girl of the Los Angeles East Side alternative
comedy scene. I kept wanting to be able to drop
parallels from like the porn industry to like the comedy community.
It's very similar, I think. So you're listening to nine,

(42:07):
this is oh I forgot in the other episode where
I did my R and B late night radio show boy,
was that I gave the wrong name to the show
and the actual name of the show is way better.
It's you're listening to this secret spot. Oh no, that
sounds like a Louis Guzman club name the Rodriquez Brothers's
supposed to be and all he wants he just wants

(42:33):
to be in one of the movies. Yeah, yeah, wants
to be fucking a lady, which he doesn't get to do.
But he wants his brother to see him a lady,
but his brothers get to see him betraying Chess Rockwell
and read roth your wait Chess Rockwell? And what was
Dirk Deegler's fake name rock Landers? And then he gets
punched and falls way too early? Uh can we tell?

(42:54):
One of my favorite jokes in the movie is they're
going shopping with the money that like Dirk Degler now
as from like and they have a pair of shoes
and someone goes, oh are they lizard and he goes, no,
they're Italian. Loved it. My other favorite thing is Jesse St.
Vincent in her oil paintings. Yes they are very bad,

(43:19):
but that's another thing where it's like that she very
quietly has an ambition and doesn't talk about it. She
doesn't externalize it like the men do. And then also, um,
what's her name um that Don Jetle was with Becky Barnett.
Becky Barnett also just like gets out of the industry,
marries a man that she clearly liked more than Don Jeedle.

(43:41):
Uh yeah, he was in the auto industry. They moved
to Bakersfield, and she was she got married and she
was super happy, and she was totally she seemed like
the most well adjusted one out of all of them
and got the funk out and was super quiet about it.
And so I think there is definitely something to the
idea of the men just so externalizing their desires and
the women in herinalizing them more. And but I think

(44:02):
she out of everybody because everybody else's success comes at
hitting a real bottom. And as the movie has it,
Becky Barnett, she gets out, she gets a family, she's
living in Bakersfield with her husband, who's got a nice
job for that, you know, for like the early eighties
management baby, Yeah bring it. Ah. Yeah, that is interesting.

(44:23):
I I kind of forgot about Becky Um. She gets
very little screen time. She and Jesse st Vincent don't
have a ton of screen time. Yeah, I don't know,
I mean, I I was I kind of forgot about that,
And it's funny because I think it would be sort
of like an easy gag to be like, oh and
Jesse sam Vincent sucks at painting. But no one in

(44:44):
this movie is very good at anything, regardless of gender.
Everyone's kind of fucking mediocre and just scraping by, Like
you know, Amber's documentary is not good. John c Riley
is not good at poetry or magic, like everyone's sort
of sucking. Is a horrible singer, he's yeah, yeah, and

(45:05):
that's kind of sad, like all of their ambitions with
I don't know, I can't I don't know if I
can think of any Jack Horner's movies suck. Yeah, I'm
just about to say sad they're not good, and I
mean sure, like low budget porn movies aren't gonna be
but those are sure. And then he kept saying like
I want to make films. I want I want people

(45:26):
to sit and watch and stew in that. So just
because they're so engaged with the story, I think the
thing is And this gets to another reason why I
really like this movie is that it portrays sex workers
as just people. These people are, They're they're not great,
They're not bad like they're somewhere in between. They're just

(45:47):
human beings. Even like the new trailer where like it's
like the so called feminist movie where they like accidentally
kill a stripper, you know, it's like fuck you, Like yeah,
like this this movie's portrayal of sex works like an
honest thing that just people do and then leave or
then go back to or whatever. It's the same as anything.
It's the same as any people. And I think that

(46:08):
is a really underplayed part of the movie, is that
just how fucking real all these people are and they
also happen to be sex workers. Yeah, I'm on board
co signed. You know what, I would like to take
credit for all that I like to co sign, but
now it's mine. Yeah. Well, as when you agree to

(46:30):
do this podcast, if you give any like cool and
good opinions, they actually become ours. That I should have
read the fine prints to the podcast once before I
flip the table. Go flift the table. It's that that's
really all I ever want to do in my whole life.
If I flip to table today, I can die tomorrow
and totally fine, Well, you gotta wait to plup that table.

(46:51):
It's got to be the perfect table. Because if you
waste it on this, I barely a table, folks. My
Here's how I think this is going to go. I'm
going to live to be ninety four years old beyond
my deathbed, and my great great grandchild will be like, hey,
you move. Did you ever flip that table? And I'll

(47:15):
say I'll look at my tattoo which reminds me to
do it, and I'll say, no, I never did, and
she'll set up a table and then I'll almost flip it,
but I'll die in the middle. Here's how I wanted
to have Here's how it should happen. So you're on
a you're on a boat, a boat Titanic. Yeah, so

(47:36):
you're gonna be like I've told my story about always
wanting to flip the table, and then you're going to
flip there over the edge of a boat and it's
going to sink down into the water, and then you're
going to go to sleep that night and die and
then go to heaven. And you're gonna see, don't even
start with the heaven seed. I like tears jumped to

(47:57):
my eyes. Just wait and Titanic, do they go to heaven? Yes,
Patamic ends in heaven. They go to heaven. I'm sorry,
I still think it's a dream. They go to heaven.
It's not a dream, it's real life. And it's so
sad because they walk in and you're like, it's all

(48:19):
the beaters see characters, and then they got to hang
out here too, and then they're all there. That's not
the person heaven. Bit. Well, there's a lot of parallel heavens.
I don't understand why that would be hold on, you
can't just zoom right by that. There's a lot of
parallel heavens who are all aware of that. What also,

(48:42):
why would everyone has their own Why would heaven be
the place died all those people died on the ship.
Why would their version of heaven be like, oh, remember
the ship that killed me. Jesus is just on the
cross in heaven, just hopping around on like the bottom
of the heaven. But what if it's mine, then what
are you doing? Well? Then where is he? He has

(49:02):
to know a little bit and his heaven that he's
doing that in mind, it's parallel, Jesus. What if heaven
is like you get plugged into the matrix or like
what I mean want and then you're like, this is
how I don't make this into sci fi. I'm having
fun with my heaven, my heaven when my heaven would
be Yeah, that last thing in Titanic except I am

(49:23):
Fabricio's girlfriends. You're even a minor character in your own
heaven fun. Yes, Like at the beginning, I cast myself.
I only have four five seconds of the screen time
in my own movie. Wow, it's it's it's round. We're
going in circles, just like we're on wheels. And my
blood blood pressure is insane right now, did you bleed
a lot or something? I feel like my bloods about

(49:45):
to first out of my body all myfices. Yeah. Yeah,
there's a surprising amount of the murder, and there's a
lot of blood. There's a lot of blood, a lot
of blood for people's heads and mouths and went in Titanic, No,
they cut that all out. I was like, can we
talk about Titanic now? Remember when they used the necklace

(50:06):
to strangle all those people. Well, there's murder in both movies.
We can you know what, I'd love to keep talking
about Titanic. I would not. I just thought a book nights.
I'm like, I'm bored. I want to talk about Titanic
is so good. Does anyone have any And he's got
heaven in it. Yeah, there is heaven in it. There's
heaven and boogie Knights. Heaven and boogie Knights is the

(50:29):
fucking when they all are dancing together and they all
have a group dance routine on the disco, that's a metaphor,
yea for heaven. Everything heaven and we're never going to die.
That's heaven. Titannic is real heaven. And you take his
hand and then it pans up and hey, it's the
captain end of the movie. I'm triggered. Um, can we

(50:51):
talk about the scene where Dirk Diggler pulls out the out?
I like that this movie is basically an extended objectification
of a man based on his dick size. He's just
treated mostly as a commodity. They're like, you're we're going

(51:11):
to make money off you because you're a huge dick,
and that's what this movie is about. Um, and you're
too stupid, like his mom is just like you're too
stupid to know anything? Yeah something that. Yeah, that another
hard scene to watch, especially because he almost sucked his mom.
I don't I would have I would have forgiven everything.

(51:33):
If they had just give me a little kiss. If
he was like, Mom, give me a little kids, like mom,
or give me a little kids. I want to kiss
my own. Let's talk about the same where he pulled
his stick out in front of his mom. Mom to TVs.

(51:54):
Very need more oxygen. Okay, old hogs just left because
he can't handle I I bet he's doing he's break. No,
he's jerking off. We haven't have one of those inns.
We haven't know he's jerking off in someone's paying in

(52:15):
ten bucks. But he'll be thinking about a hog. Mom. Wait, okay,
so this is what I was thinking about about hogs,
old hogs wild hogs? Is that like a hogs reference?
I mean, look, what isn't? But is it? I don't.
I've never seen wild dogs, but I assume about motorcycles.
But it's like also like old dicks. So you're confusing

(52:37):
old dogs. You're you're confusing old dogs as wild hogs,
which I totally understand. But there are two very different movies.
Isn't there old hogs? No, that is a that is
a genre. That is just a genre. That's not a movie.
That's a part. If you go, yeah, there is a U.
I purchased whippets last night at the exotic boutique right

(52:59):
by my house. There is an entire section of pornography
that is like one of the titles was, Oops, I
fuck your Grandma? Where do you get whip it? At
the portant Place. I do want everyone that I am
the whippet comedian. God damn it, I'm going to be
the dug bends at a whipp Its. I didn't know
how many I'm gonna do all my shows at three eleven,

(53:22):
which is the Times and whips get getting whipped with it.
Your theme song can be getting whippy with It. There
is literally a song called whipp It. There's you need
to do any work for it. You got to write
a different song. That's so much extra alright, deal, you

(53:45):
can hire out the person who wrote the Bactel Cast
theme song to write who is Mike Kaplan wrote the lyrics? Okay?
We were like, I think again, I can see my
peripherals screen. It's three eleven. Okay, okay. You know what
turns out there is steampunk. You're in the weird chrome

(54:06):
steampunk vape cigarettes. It's like as long as a bugle,
it's ridiculous. One of the buttons a little flag on
FROs it his bag. He got vapid. He keeps he
keeps blowing out smoke cloth. It's not smoke, gets vape.
He keeps vaping little cogs out of his mouth and

(54:29):
swayed vests. I hate it. Hey, does anyone have any
final thoughts about the movie? I like it very poignant. Yes,
so it does does a couple different times. I was
pleasantly it's in the first five minutes it does with
the yeah yeah. Roller Girl rolls up to Amber at

(54:51):
the table and Ambers like, hey, do you call that girl?
You gotta get that checked off. You don't call tomorrow,
you won't be able to get to see her. Presumably
she has a T I or an S t I
or something. She'satively like, I imagine someone trying, you know,
like if you have a U T I and someone
tries to talk to you and you're like, like, there's
someone tries to dance with her. She's like, I gotta go, yeah,

(55:12):
I'm on fire. Then it happens again. There's a montage
where we see a few different scenes between Amber and
roller Girl. Again, they're doing a bunch of coke yeah,
rule girls, like let's take a pottery class. I want
to get my g e. D lasts for maybe fifteen
seconds and then it cuts back and then she they
are talking about Dirk for a minute. They're like I
miss him. But then she's like, be my mom. Will

(55:35):
you say that you're my mom? And she's like, yes, honey,
I'm your mom. And that's arguably the most intense part
of the entire movie. Like, like, I mean, it's a
super intense movie at parts, but I mean it's to me,
it's more intense than the violence. It's more intense than
any of the actual physical violence done. Is just the
emotional violence of that scene and just they're so desperate

(55:57):
and they need each other so much and this world
has given them fucking nothing and they just have each
other and it's like so intense. I've gotta I got
a vape. Yeah together, Aristotle. I want to talk about,
just real quick, the romantic relationships or sort of lack
thereof in like maybe Jack is like dating slash with

(56:23):
roller Girl and Amber, we're not really sure, like no
one's really together, Like they're fucking on screen like on
camera all the time, but no one like really had
except for like Don Cheatle and um Justine st Vincent.
The people who like get together and then they pair
off and then they basically leave the industry are really

(56:43):
the only ones who are like managed to like sustain
a like a solid romantic relationship everyone who stays in it,
which like stands to reason. I mean, like imagine trying
to sustain a relationship where you're just like, oh, but
you gotta go fuck my friend for money, right, But
also like it seems like Amber and Jack have an understanding,

(57:05):
you know, they have a mutual respect almost like a
kind of but not even I wouldn't even say Henry
because Jack for as fucking weird as he is and
and correct me if I'm wrong. As a man watching it,
Jack never came off like a creep, like the colonel
or even the other the guy that was the dying
guy in Magnolia that that was the videotape guy, like

(57:25):
all of them, like we're fucking creeps. But to me,
Jack never seemed like a creep. He just seemed like
he was like, I run a business, and I know
you're the type of people that would be in this business.
You need me, I need you, and let's have an understanding.
He didn't seem to exploit anyone more than necessary, more
than they wanted to be exploited for a moment at least,
you know, and then afterwards, like he stopped. And the

(57:48):
only true moment of exploitation you really saw at the
hands of a woman with Jack was that Limos scene
and Jack almost murdered the man afterwards. That did it?
You know, I feel like it is obviously per problematic,
but like there wasn't understanding we could speculate us to what.
He only went after him after he said, well, your

(58:08):
movie stuck now anyway, and that's what triggered him to
go and like be And then it was roller girl,
who's like, you disrespected me and then she stomps on
his face with her roller skates. Um, so who knows
a few if part of I mean he was talking
about like, hey, this this is a woman. Don't treat
her like just a hole like in the fucking you
know Limo. So I mean, obviously, yeah, you could positive

(58:31):
that it was his the slight to his own ego
that made him do it. I could totally see that.
But it just was interesting to me in a movie
where it would have been so easy to paint people
with such broad strokes. Paul Thomas Anderson did such a
great job of like finely detailing three names. Yeah. Uh No.
Jack's character is is interesting to me, like because I

(58:54):
don't think that he's a pervert either, but it's just
like his I feel like his whole narrative is just
like this really sad, desperate search for integrity of some sort.
And he and it seems like he treats every area
of his life with that approach of like I'm going
to approach the people I work with with integrity. I'm

(59:14):
gonna try to approach my my own work with integrity.
And none of it is great or works out well.
But it's like I feel like he always compromises it.
He always compromises it when push comes to shove, but
like wants to believe that he's this principle alpha boy.
There's a scene as everyone else is deteriorating in their lives,

(59:35):
are going to ship. His also sort of is because
first of all, he had to like compromise and switch
to video, which he didn't really do, and then he's
directing a movie with uh, a little boy, and then
movie and and and uh and Jesse san Vincent's like,
is he gonna suck me in the ass? And he's like,

(59:56):
I don't know, do you want him to? And she's
like yeah, that'd be great. He's like all right, fuck
her in the as like he just he's kind of
given up. He's like, well, I'm not I can't you
know what is that is right? This isn't the art
I was making rama. But when you're calm. I do
like the scene where whenever the Dirk comes back and

(01:00:17):
it's like I need help? Can you help me? And
he's just like give me a huggle, pal. They make up. Yeah, yeah,
but but it is God. Those characters are so weird,
and I think that Julianne Moore's character is kind of this,
like uh, people who like get off on being needed
people around them, Like I think the Amber and Jack

(01:00:38):
are both like that in a way that I feel
like in real life is so weird. Yeah yeah, where
they're like, you know, I know that you funked up
and I probably shouldn't forgive you, but I need to
feel important, so I'm going to make this big show
of forgiveness and then you're just like, this is not
this is just gonna fault to ship again for sure.

(01:00:59):
I don't know. I mean, most of the people in
the movie have pretty severe emotional baggage. I mean, like
we said before, one of the reasons that Dark leaves
and like enters into this this enterprise is because his
mom was HORRILYA is where you were going, I was
gonna say horribly. He was very emotionally verbally abusive. Okay, daddy,

(01:01:27):
market mark kiss, Yeah, daddy, I have to I'm just
cock daddy. I'm not too directed by Joel made. We're
going to kill kill herself. I'm gonna flip a table. Yeah,

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his mom was very emotionally and verbally abusive, and you know,
he hadn't so he had to leave. And so, like,
I mean, we don't know a lot of other people's
stories or any really, but we can kind of imagine
that they all have a lot of emotional baggage. That
except Cosmo, the Chinese boy who throws fireworks, she who

(01:02:12):
is the true hero of the tale. Oh man, that
scene is God, It's just one hard scene to watch
after another. That scene is not hard to watch. That
scene is the easiest scene to watch. That scene is
such a payoff after so much brutal, fucking awful ship.
It's just funny. It's funny, but I mean with the
firecrackers going off, Yeah, it's start a lot. That's startling.

(01:02:34):
And I love how they're so jumpy. It's just the
most tense. Yeah, it is literally hard to watch in
that there's booms and bangs throughout it, but it's not
hard to watch like emotionally sure y yeah exactly, but yeah,
that seems so funny. And Tom Jane, what a performance
by Tom Jane. The dancer, the strip, the stripping, the

(01:02:55):
stripper who comes in and ruins the heist at the end,
who's Red's friend? But yeah, Tom Jane kills it as
the Chippendal's dancer turned coke at it turned guy who
introduces them all to Crystal meth. Uh, and I love
watching his car, Like as soon as Tom Jane introduces
them to Crystal meth, then you just the next time
you see uh, Dirk Diggler's car, it looks like absolute shit,

(01:03:19):
like you're out all the coke. His car looks fine.
But then the minute he was like because that was
also the first time that he was a dick to
roller Girl was when Tom ja was like, careful to
only do bumps. This is crystal and and fucking Dirk
Tiggers like like he just takes a whole rail. And
then roller girl comes in. She's like, how are you
and he's like whatever, Yeah it is. I was impressed

(01:03:40):
with how long Dirk Diggler is decent to people in
this movie. He pretty far like Pique Philip Syemore homing
like I'm so dummy, but I'm so horny. That's every
Philip sye Ar hoping character ever, but Mark, and Mark
handles it rather well and he's like no, but I
love you yes, and then and then he leaves and

(01:04:04):
it was like, oh, what a sweet little buff teenager. Yeah,
he was such a sweet teen meat, sweet teen beef,
sweet teen beef, sweet teen beef, sweet teen beef. Daddy's
out there hogs out baby that sweet teens of consenting ages.

(01:04:29):
Of course, without that hog. That's why I say in
public at night, whoa. My phone just buzzed and said
time for bed. Look, it's a time for bed. Can

(01:04:50):
do that. You gotta go to sleep. Now. You talk
too much about tea and beef, typer bed bed? Well,
does anyone have any else do you you want to say
about the movie, is that twenty minutes ago? Uh, Alphad
Mallina steals a scene. Oh god, the one scene, the
only scene that matter. If that movie was just that scene,
I'd love it just as much. I would like to

(01:05:11):
draw out the comparison of Alphad Mellina's scene Steeler in
Boogie Nights to Christopher Waltkin scene Steeler and Jeelie, which
is another movie done on that Uh that Klein gets
upset just thinking about. I'm furious right now, you're driving

(01:05:33):
me to vape. I'm sorry. It's a really good scene.
Christopher Walkin clearly has food he brought from craft services
and has it in the scene the whole time. We
could hear you vaping, Oh my god, trying to do
it as audibly as possible, because I do not care
all about this story, what allowed vape, of the homes
of vaping? Should we should we rate the movie? Yes? Okay?

(01:05:56):
What's your scale? Oh? Zero to five? Nipples and nipples
being great? Five nipples is the highest score. Nipples are good.
You got to describe them. Okay, So you guys go first,
or do you want me to go first? You go last?
You're a man, put your muzzle back on. Shut up
a second. But now I'm okay. Oh no, he's making

(01:06:18):
too much control. He's in the main frame. See everything,
numbers are colored. Did you give it though? Man? Again,

(01:06:41):
I this movie is it's hard. It's a little muppet noise.
I mean, I guess three and a half again. It's
a movie about people working in porn, which again is

(01:07:02):
an industry that revolves almost entirely around objectifying people. Although
I think there may maybe some recent developments in the
porn industry where people are kind of like taking back
power and like this is porn for women and buy
women and it's not so horrible. Yeah, because it's everyone's

(01:07:24):
gonna come all the time. You're never going to stop
people from coming. You could just stop the people from
getting hurt to make other people come. Please stop reading
my uncle's tombstones. Incredibly triggering, unbelievable. I guess r I
p Uncle Louis, we miss you. I'm down here in hell.

(01:07:49):
Let me tell you I'm great in my hog gripped
off every day. It's a dream hog rip off. Oh,
it's so good. Who there's so many different versions of heaven.
You know, coal is getting his dick ripped off every day. Hey,

(01:08:10):
he should call that the doctor who gave birth to
you twice because he did a penis transplant. We should
add that to the list. Was I born in mate
or au guess, we don't know. I'd say like three
and a half. Again, good points were made, but I
still wanted to see women have I just wanted to

(01:08:32):
see them be more ambitious or have like more clearly
defined desires that were a bit more cauthartic, because we
see like the men I got my got my stereo
store now, or I'm a performing magician, and then like
the women are just like, well, I kind of I
don't really do anything but um, for a movie that
could have treated the female characters in it very poorly,

(01:08:53):
it didn't. And it even addressed like violence towards women
in porn. So I think overall it did a pretty
good job hub, but I still have some some complaints
about it, some notes, some com plaints. I'm gonna give
it three and a half as well. I think that's good, uh,
for all the reasons you said. And also there are

(01:09:14):
some scenes where it's like we're using naked ladies as
set dressing. In this scene maybe a little bit. Um
we do. They also linger on roller girl roller skating
around like pretty much looking at yeah, yeah, yeah, we
see that a bunch. Yeah that's true. Um so I'll

(01:09:35):
give it three and a half as well, And I
give two nipples too hard troubled nipples to cut daddy,
give one leaky faucett nipple to horny mommy, and give
a half nipple to the perfect who got beat up

(01:09:57):
in jail. This is a five nip. This is a
five thousand, six hundred nipples. This is a five an
effort for me, defend yourself, defend your nip choice. I mean,
it's my favorite movie. It takes it takes a it
takes a subject that is I mean, this was like

(01:10:20):
eight heggs in a duffel bag and like, you know whatever,
like those like let's go kill a stripper, Like there
was nothing at all about the adult industry that treated
any of them like the human beings that they are.
And it also was like the soundtrack was phenomenal. The
movie was just like I just thought that the most
complex characters in the movie were The most complex character

(01:10:43):
in the movie to me was Amber. You know, everybody
else was pretty straightforward and Julianne Moore's performance at Amber
or as Amber like I fell in love with when
I was fifteen years old, Like I wanted her to
be my horny mommy. Uh and I just like couldn't
handle it. It's like her performance. I think it's one
of the most like emotionally complex and like she's so

(01:11:04):
much more developed than every other man. Every man because
they have their their wants and needs are so distinct
and often so external. Are they delusional? Also delusional? She
just seems I don't know, she's the anchor of that movie.
She's the glue of the movie. She's the jizz that

(01:11:26):
glues the pages shut in the script of that movie.
I love her, and I also like watching brother Girls
stomp the ship out of that fucking asshole that ruled
I don't know, I mean, I totally understand your three
and a half nips and uh as a as a boy,
as a boy toy, as as OOPSI otter. I am

(01:11:48):
allowing myself the privilege to not get triggered, prav I'm
using my priv and everybody's just themselves and like going
through everybody, male and female are just constantly playing at
their looks like that's a super underrated part of the
movie is that constantly everybody's playing with their luck and
cheetles like Rick James I it finally takes off that

(01:12:11):
stupid wig and just gets honest. Yeah, and then they
about Sunrise. They better than Sunset. Yeah, it's like the
cutest thing. And then they have a baby and they
are actually in love. Yeah. Yeah, I loved it. I
thought it was super uplifting. And again the score is amazing.
Dummies fall in love and that's what that was like
the best scene of like you like the sunset, like

(01:12:33):
the sunset, but my god, but Sunrise it's better. It's
just good. Oh yeah, I feel the same one. I thought, yeah,
this nice. So I was like. My other favorite moment
from the movie is when I think it's William H.
Mazie is talking to I want to say, like the
d P and they're talking about the movie that they're
supposed to shoot in a couple of days, and they're like, well,

(01:12:54):
is there even a script? And they're like, I don't know,
Like they clearly just make up the scenes as they go.
Story doesn't matter, and they're just fine with it. Well,
there's a line that I also whenever I make a thing,
like my friends and I make a thing, uh, we
always say like when we're lighting and their shadows shadows
in life, Dude, like this that's just like, yeah, why
are we gonna light this? It's there's shadows in life,

(01:13:17):
Like that's their whole. That's like a production mentality. It's
their shadows of life. Yeah, that's the name of my
new email band. All right. I like sweet teen Beef
is my like fucking room room or cycle music. I
was getting robed. Everybody's just getting rubbed. Genderless rubub, non

(01:13:43):
battery robe, sweet teen beef. Yeah, you just had that
tag it. Uh. So my nips belong to Cosmo. Two
of them belong to Cosmo the Chinese because there those
of firecracker nips. He's also wearing a Rick Springfield shirt
while Jesse Girl plays They Love Jesse's Girl. Um, two

(01:14:04):
of my nips have to go to Julian Moore's perfect
pink naps. Is that you've mentioned perfect? So I got
one and a half more nips. One of those nips
is the one that's poking out of Scottie's tank top,
uh when his arms are crossed, and the half nip.
That's my man, Louise. Are you giving the movie five
and a half five and a half nicks because Luis

(01:14:26):
Gooseman puts it over the top. You can't deny those nips.
So you can't deny those Gooseman nips. Great. I feel
good about all of our choices here today. We didn't.
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