Crazy Rich Asians with Teresa Lee and Ceda Xiong

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
On the beck dol Cast, the questions asked if movies
have women in them, are all their discussions just boyfriends
and husbands, or do they have individualism? The patriarchy? Zef
in best start changing it with the Bechdel Cast. Hello,
and welcome to the Bechdel Cast. My name is Jamie
Loftus and my name is Caitlin Drunte, and this is
our podcast about the portrayal of women in movies. Horns.

(00:27):
We use the Bechdel test. Yeah, as a it's not
like I was surprised. We do, we do? We do?
We do? The Bechtel test if You're not familiar, is
a test that requires that a movie has two female
identifying characters. They have to have names, they have to

(00:48):
speak to each other, and they cannot be talking about men. Hey,
can we by the test really quick? Let's do it? Okay?
Hey Caitlin, Hey Jamie, you were really good at soccer
this morning. Thank you so much for coming to Mike game.
You're welcome. Wholesome doesn't have to be funny, it can
be very awesome. Yeah, just very sincere. Yeah, Jamie, you
came to my game, and I really I just need

(01:09):
everyone to know what a good and supportive friend. You are. Yeah,
it's really more about me than it is about you know,
you're it was great, it was fun. Yeah, all women's
it's all women's league. So yeah. My soccer games always
passed the Bechtel tests every game and then, except when
you start screaming about the takedown of the patriarchy in

(01:30):
the middle during the halftime, which is great. Well, sometimes
we do yell at the usually male ref so I
guess those don't pass. But most of our conversations are
about soccer, so we use that test, the Bechtel test,
as a jumping off point to initiate larger conversations about
the general representation and portrayal of women in cinema. And

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we are here to talk about a movie a popular request.
I'm still in theaters. Yes, we're talking about crazy rich Asians.
And with us, we've got two guests, super Um our
first guest new to the pod. She's a TV writer,
a comedian, Cita Sean. And we have a returning guest,

(02:15):
a friend of the cast. You may remember her from
our Transformers episode of the What's Up Network. Yeah, and
she hosts her own podcast called You Can Tell Me Anything. Theresa.
Both of you guys have been on it's true which
one of us is the crazy and which one of
us is the rich? I mean, we to draw straw.

(02:37):
I just want to be the agent. So Teresa will
start with you. What's your history with this? Oh? I
read the book when it came out. It's a good read.
It's like a you know, a beatree, you know, a
summer romp if you will, uh, And I obviously identify
with the main character because she's from the Bay and
then went to n y U. Yeah she is is Taiwanese.

(03:02):
Well maybe not if there's a sequel anyways, but she
thinks she's Taiwanese. And so yeah, I read the book.
I remember when it came out. I read it and
I even I found a tweet from a long time ago.
I was like, I hope they make a movie out
of this, and I hope I'm in Hollywood when that happens.
That didn't happen. I didn't make it that far. So
you were physically in Hollywood? YEA, Yeah, I should have

(03:23):
been more specific about my wish, So yeah, manifest more specifically,
right right? And Cita, how about you? I think I
read the book when it came out to because the
title was you know, like that was like click bait
before clickbait. But I really enjoyed it. You know. It
was like I read a lot of Joan Collins when
I was a kid because I just had bargain books

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in my house all the time because my mom would
buy me new books. So I read a lot of
like eighties Joan Collins. And that's what Crazy Rich Agents
reminds me of, like super shoulder padded like extravagance, Jamie.
I read the book. I received the first book as
a gift, and I read it on a couple different
It was just my plane book for a while. I

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liked the book that it was like a fun beach
read that I happened to be reading on a plane. Sure,
and then I saw the movie last week and really
liked the movie. Yeah, we saw it together. We did.
It was fun. I did not read the book, but
I did watch the movie three times in theaters. So
let's basically, wow, you beat me. I saw it twice. Oay,

(04:28):
you beat both of us, both of the Asians here.
I just wanted to make sure I was adequately prepared,
so I saw it many many times. So I'll do
the recap. Yeah, sure, okay, So the story focus. Well,
first we opened on a scene where Eleanor Young is
trying to check into a hotel in London and a

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bunch of white people are like, you don't belong here,
please go away, and she's like, actually, I'm buying this hotel,
so fu y'all. So that sort of sets up the
Young family fun you can't get off. And then we
see Nick Young as a little boy, um in that scene,
and I think he's with is it astrid? I think

(05:12):
so that's that makes sense because his cousin. And then
we cut to present day. We meet Rachel Chew. She
is an econ professor at n y U. She is
dating Nick Young, who is very hot and who is
very good at wearing pants. Um, he wears a lot

(05:35):
of pants. He just knows how to wear a parapets,
a tailored parapets. I was like, were these made four
your butt? It's wild? Well, I mean he can afford it,
so probably imagine being able to afford pants with your
butt in mind. Unbelievable. Jamie. When we were watching this together,

(05:56):
you turned to me at a certain point in the movie.
I'm pretty sure, or you had tears in your eyes
and you said Nick Young is just so handsome. I
was fully at Nick just too hot at one point
that I just was sent over the edge and I
began to cry. It was a worldwide casting for Nick

(06:20):
Young's character, and apparently one of my friends told me
that he was on one of those travel shows that
shows on the back of airplane. As he wasn't even
an actor, He's never done something like this. He was
just a host that was very charismatic, and they were like,
how about that guy. I'm I honestly, I'm like, I
don't know. I'm like he I'm sure he did a
great job acting, but I was just like, I just

(06:41):
was really overwhelmed. Um. I also, you know, and I
would say that the Mike's hard lemonade I brought to
the theater with I probably contributed to sending me over
the edge in the first twenty minutes of the movie.
But yeah, understandable. So Rachel and Nick are dating and
Nick invites her to Singapore because his best friend Colin

(07:03):
is getting married and he's the best man. So he's like,
why don't we use this as an excuse for you
to come and meet my family, and you can visit
your friend while you're there and it'll be a great time.
And she's like okay. So they go to they're like
at the airport and she's like, I've got my tupperware
of food. We're all good. And then the airline people
come up to them and they're like, we'll get you

(07:25):
checked into first class and she's like, um, excuse me,
what do you mean. And then they're like, here's some champagne,
here's an airplane bedroom. And she's like, wait a minute, um,
are you rich or something? And he's like addie, kay,
I guess and she's like wait a minute. For a while,

(07:47):
he's like, I mean we're comfortable, like dog, you're rich.
So she learns that he comes from an extremely wealthy
family of like real estate moguls and like finance people
and all this stuff. So she goes and meets his mom,
Nick's mom, Eleanor, and Eleanor is like, this girl is

(08:11):
not rich, so gross, She's not crazy or rich. So
basically the story revolves around Rachel trying to earn the
respect and the blessing of Eleanor because it seems like
she and Nick are on like the track for marriage.
And because Rachel is Chinese American, she was raised in

(08:33):
the US, and she just has sort of like a
different set of values, is what we called them? Wait,
what is that American born Chinese they call us when
we went to Taiwan. Oh that's what Aquafina says in
the movie, which is like yellow on the outside. I've
never heard that either. Okay, So, because she just sort
of has like a different set of values than like

(08:55):
the Young family, Eleanor is all like she's not the
right person, like she's not the one for you Nick,
but Nick is like enamored and in love with Rachel.
Over the course of the story, you know, Rachel's like
trying to like make Eleanor like her basically, and Eleanor
keeps being like, you will never be enough. And then
finally at the wedding that they've gone to Singapore four,

(09:16):
Eleanor has hired a private investigator and reveals some information
about Rachel's mom's history that would have caused like a
huge scandal where her mom had unfair with another man
who wasn't her husband, got pregnant with his baby and
then left him in China and moved to the US.

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So that was like grounds for like basically dismissal for
like eleanor to be like go away, never talked to
us again. That part is like I feel like one
of the most believable things too, because i mean, I'm
sure American culture people hide things all the time, but
especially in Chinese culture, I feel like there's just so
many secrets, but their secrets where it's like families will
just be like so overbearing in one way, but then

(09:57):
also so like, oh no, I just didn't tell you
that your grandma died because it's the I decided it
was best for you. And so there's things like that
all the time. And then so like the fact that
all these families have these secrets, I'm like, oh, yeah,
that's exactly so weird. Like because her and my mom
have a good relationship. Yeah, she's just like life yeah yeah.

(10:17):
But then it's revealed that whenever Rachel like kind of
confronts her mom about it, her mom's like, oh, well,
my husband was abusive and I left him because he
was hurting me. But yeah, they have a really good relationship.
So then Nick proposes to Rachel and he's like, I
will leave my family behind, like you know he's supposed
to be next in line to run the Young corporation.

(10:38):
He's like, I'll walk away from all of that. I
just want to be with you. And then we cut
immediately to a scene where she has invited Eleanor to
play majong with her, and she's like, I'm playing losing
hand either way. Like Nick either leaves his family and
then like that's not good because he doesn't have a family,
or he chooses his family and doesn't stay with me,

(11:00):
and then he will end up resenting you his mom.
So she basically rejects him his marriage proposal, so that
she's basically making the choice for him. And then that
is the thing that makes Eleanor be like, oh my god,
she is enough. She's strong and she's a fighter, and
she's good enough for me. So then she finally gives
her blessing because then Nick reproposes with his mom's ring, um,

(11:26):
and we're all like it up. So that was set
up so well, I feel like, and I think the
ring was great because the ring was the ring that
Eleanor husband Nick Young's dad had to create especially for
her because the patriarch wouldn't give up her old ring.
So The ring is also like symbolic of like a
marriage that wasn't approved by the families and now it
passed on to another and the idea that traditions can

(11:49):
be malleable because now it's the tradition because it's her
his mom. But when I was created, it was because
she wasn't allowed to continue the tradition. So like it's
a new tradition, tradition yea unapproved wives, the unapproved wives.
Um so then she says yes this time, and then

(12:10):
they go and have like an engagement party on a
rooftop in Singapore. There's a few subplots where Nick's cousin
Astrid is dealing with her marriage to a guy named Michael.
He was like also a commoner who marries into this
rich family named Michael is always a red flag no
matter what. Um So there's that subplot, and then we

(12:33):
meet many of other Nick's families, and then um we
meet Paklin, which is Aquafina's character and like her family,
so we've got a whole cast of characters. But yeah,
so that's the main storyline. There's also a lot of
twin representation in this film. I feel like nobody's talking
about there are three pairs of twins that I recognized

(12:55):
the maybe more if I watched Aquafina her sister's twins,
Aquafina's little basis sister. And there's the adult gossipy twins
that are at the battelerette that they called the twins.
And then there's the Flower girls are also twins, and
they couldn't be Aquafinea sisters because it wouldn't make sense.
They weren't sister, right, So there's always three pairs of

(13:16):
Asian girl twins, which I feel like it is like
a big win for me because I am an Asian
girl twins and I was a flower girl in a
wedding in Malaysia but the rehearsal was in Singapore. It's
like it's basically a story of my life. Like Asian
girl twins are hot, come outity during wedding season and
they're just like, look at the pair of cutes walking
on the aisle. Yeah, we crushed it. Full twin season.

(13:39):
It's well, I mean Gemini season in the spring. Anyways,
So are twins especially lucky? No, I think they're unlucky,
especially because they're girls. I guess I just want to
start by saying that I mean, this movie is a
box office hit right now. It's what everyone's talking about
second weekend number one. It's like a genuine blockbuster. I

(14:02):
feel like it's like a rom com, but also like
it's funny and it's tight. It feels like a blockbuster. Yeah,
it's a it's a solid flick and we've sold. My
mom saw it with her former colleague. There were airline
ladies what are the flight attendants together in Taiwan and

(14:24):
they're still friends, and she came to visit her from
Taiwan and they went and watched it, and I was like,
that's so awesome. A friend is kind of like a
crazy rich Asian though she like, she's not this crazy rich,
but she's very like just more like an educated rich
Asian rich enough to be like I can relate. Yeah,
I think she's into it. Cool, cool, All right, let's
take a quick break and then we will come back
to discuss crazy rich Asians. And we're back. We're here,

(14:56):
we're here. It's Sunday. We're literally a brunch club right now. Yes,
it's great. Yeah, I read that A lot of like
Asian immigrants people and parents, ones who normally never go
to the movies are seeing this movie because they're seeing
themselves represented for like the first time. This is the
first American movie that's an all Asian cast since I

(15:20):
think Joy Luck Club, like twenty five years ago. I
mean it's funny too because it's like even if you
don't because a lot of the criticism before the movie
came out was that it's not relatable because it's about
crazy rich people. But I think it's like, I mean,
like when we watch Superhero movie, is it's like is
that relatable? I think that's a dumb thing because it's like,
I don't know, we gotta start somewhere, like do you
really want to watch a movie about people doing nothing

(15:41):
sitting around getting high? I mean maybe actually that's like
haroldon Cumar. Also, by the way, haroldon Kumar is also
leading Asian cast, and people keep forgetting that that's that's
because people build as a stoner movie, not an Asian movie.
But I guess that wasn't a major studio movie. Maybe
it did really well. There's also it's there's a lot
of white people in this so it's not like an

(16:03):
entirely Asian characters cast, like, but the lease are Asian
so more leads should have been Asian after that, but
everybody seemed to forget that. That did well, but it
was mainly a boon. Yeah, white is in the name.
That's the only way they could get the movie to make.
It's like, put something white in this title to trick

(16:24):
the audience. Did you guys know that there was a
very herald and Kumar three D Christmas? Yeah? I think
because it was on TV one year without the sweety
glasses you saw it. Yeah, there was something about a
Christmas tree. That's why I think that's what. Yeah. Yeah, well,
either way, we've we've come a long way from like

(16:44):
Mickey Rooney's character and Breakfast a Tiffany's from like Dot
Dong in sixteen Candles, even from like Scott Pilgrim where
like knives Chow so much like tone deaf stuff is
said about that character. So I mean we're still a
far cry from what it should be representation wise for

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nearly everybody. Well, we're interested in, like what what your
thoughts on that? Yeah? Well, I actually think because for
me it's not representation isn't just half of it is
visual Because of course, the more Asians people we see
them more will realize like, Okay, like we can be
in movies. But I also really like that the story
itself is representative because it's just like someone I saw

(17:27):
it with said this, well, it's like it's just it's
funny because jokes are new because it's a new point
of view, so that like does well for everyone. It's
not something we've heard before. But it's not explicitly an
Asian movie. Like the story about family and about tradition
isn't explicitly Asian. It's very tied to Asian culture, so
that I think obviously we relate to it more. But um,
anybody can watch it and not think like, oh, this

(17:48):
isn't for me, because everybody it has a mom like that,
I think we can all relate to it. So I
really like that it's representative in um, the story itself
just like the point of view for sure. Yeah, And
I was thinking about this because my boyfriends are watching
The Godfather Trilogy over again and watching that movie over again,
which is probably like the most famous movie in America.

(18:08):
You realized that, like the Godfather Trilogy is an immigrant story.
It's it's really American, but it's also about an immigrant story.
So I was thinking about that in context of crazy
rich Asians, and I was like, oh, this is an
immigrant story. It's like, uh, finding your identity, making a
new like for yourself, all those things that are kind
of what being American is all about. So that to

(18:29):
me was really relatable. I actually bought tickets for my
parents to go see it, and my mom was like,
this is good, but this is very also just more
about my mom than anything else. Her notes were that
it was too loud, that she was like, loud, it's funny,

(18:52):
like moms don't realize. I don't know if my mom
recognizes herself and Ellen or young. She's not that strict,
but like, like it's funny because I don't think people
recognize themselves in it. Yeah, And I my mom's point
about their wealth was also really funny too. She was
just like, oh, it was so over the top, was
so extravagant, like nobody lives like that. And I was like, well,
that's the point of the title. It's in the title.

(19:15):
But I think I think a lot of the criticism
leveled at the movie. I mean, I enjoyed it. I
sort of see the shortcomings, like, but I think it's
because there's not enough of this kind of movie. There's
not enough movies where there's like a majority Asian cast.
There's not enough movies kind of with an Asian centers story,
you have like a variety of like a body of
work to choose from. Like we've been able to name

(19:37):
like five movies made over like the last forty years,
which is like not a body of work. That's like
five movies. So if you had a body of work
to actually critique against and then it would be interesting.
Right now, we're just like picking, Like if there were
like more stories about Asian people who are middle class, yeah,
and then you could be like, okay, well then like

(19:59):
crazy roach Asians, Like yeah, that's a lifestyle that most
people don't lead. But like there are many other examples
of Asian stories, but they're the problem is it's there
aren't many other examples. I even think as a rom com,
it's diverse in the storytelling because most rom coms will
have a meet cute, But this starts in a point
of the relationship when it's healthy, nothing's going wrong. They

(20:19):
do introduce his mom, and it's like there's some lives
that have been told, but like, you know, every relationship
has its bumps and then they deal with and it
still feels cohesive and there's an arc, and usually I
feel like rom coms aren't like that, and it doesn't
end in their wedding, So it's it feels like a
realistic sort of sliver of their life where it's like,
this is the thing they had to get through. They
got through it. I feel a resolution. Right. The main

(20:39):
the arc of the story has to do with the
relationship between Rachel and eleanor not really Rachel and Nick.
So it's it's yeah, it's more about like a class struggle,
a generation gap kind of thing, a like American Asian
person versus an Asian person from Asia. Like it's right,
So yeah, it's like those are the themes of the movie,

(20:59):
and about like Americans caring about passion like got to
me so much. I was just like, oh, why am
I doing comedy? I've let my people down. It's just
what am I doing? There's this big It's it's very
much East versus West. You know, it's individualism versus collectivism,
and Eleanor is on the side of collectivism because she'll

(21:21):
do anything she's not see. That's also why I feel
like it's a diverse angle because I don't think any
side is really portrayed as like the right side, and
this Rachel is not really portrayed holy right. She's a
little selfish, but Eleanor's she says she's all about the collective.
But look at her house. I mean, like I handed
out food to the poor people. I don't like she
cared about our country, but like does she? I mean,

(21:41):
like they're starving people. She care about her family, and
that's pretty much it. Yeah, so it's like everybody is
kind of selfish. The unit is the family, which is
a larger unit than the self, which is like until
the family, until there's a black sheep in the family,
and then you cut that person out and then they're
not in your family, so your family can be perfect.
I feel like that's a very Asian thing to do. Well.
The character of Oliver says that he's like the rainbow

(22:04):
sheep of the family because he's like the one like
out queer person. But then it seems like he still
has good enough relationships with like all of his like
aunties and stuff. Well, I'm curious your guys thoughts too,
because I do feel like, obviously so much as tied
to Chinese culture, but it's all those like themes of
just like your you know, the filial piety is really
tied to Chinese culture. But also I feel like people

(22:26):
I can follow along where there are things that to
you felt so new that was like, oh that's something
that like I don't understand, or like that doesn't click
or did it all like feel like yeah, this all
makes sense I can track. To me, it all tracked.
There were certainly things that like I hadn't experienced firsthand
in my family setting or anything like that, because like

(22:46):
I'm like German in Italian but like so far removed
from those cultures that I really feel like I was
brought up to be like culture less somehow, Like I
didn't have like an Italian grandma like cooking us big
Italian dinners or anything like they're just like really just
like the most boring flat American experience where Hamburger helper

(23:08):
like so like not Camber. So nothing was so unfamiliar
to me that I was like what I don't this
doesn't make sense or this doesn't track. But um, it
was certainly experiences that I have not had. But that's
why it's so important to have movies like this where
you know, people like me, and I would say a

(23:28):
large portion of white America can like see these stories
and see these cultures represented and say like, wow, this
is different from my own and and it's you know,
delivered to us respectfully and in a way where you
know we can learn about a different culture. Yeah. I
feel like it did a good job of being critical
with that, Like it was authentic so that I because

(23:49):
I'm critical in my own culture, as we all should
be of everything. Right, No, nothing is perfect, That's how
we get better. So I feel like it did a
good job of being critical without feeling like it was
like exotifying anything. It didn't feel like it was like
white gay zey, like oh look how weird they are.
It felt like it was like criticizing from with him,
but also understanding where they're coming from. Like the table

(24:09):
scene when they're making the dumplings. That was I really
like that scene because you see the generations and the
kids joking even like asked her who understands because she
grew up there makes a joke about like, oh, like
they don't guild their kids, and it's like you see
how there are flaws. I don't think we should just
be like Asian people on TV. They're perfect because they're not. Like,
We've got a lot of issues. We believe in ghosts,
like all this, it's like what's going on over there,

(24:31):
but we can't have any TV. Depression is not real,
but that'sal illnesses an issue. Sexism is such a problem Asia,
Like that's why there's so many girls that are left
in orphanages because you know, the sons are favored. So
that's it's that kind of talked about in the movie.
But there's a reason why Henry Golding's character is so
important because he's the son. Like they didn't have a

(24:54):
daughter that was taking over the Young Corporation with son,
which like is like a big I think you're The
movie makes it so that we're able to be critical
of it without feeling like we're like antagonizing or like
vilifying the whole culture, because it's very well rounded in
its criticism. Yeah, I feel I feel like if the
most of the stuff that I just was like, oh,

(25:14):
that's not something I'm familiar with or or fully understand,
were specifics inside of a larger narrative that you know
is a rom calm, which seems really smart, and like,
what's love? I didn't get that and also said I'm
a virgin of me don't understand, but no, it was
like I don't know. I mean, in terms of presenting

(25:35):
a movie with a culture that the majority of the
audience won't be familiar with, I feel like it was like,
it's so smart to put it in a construct that
everyone's gonna understand. Everyone, whether they like it or not,
have seen rom com and that understands the general conventions
for better or whereas of a rom com and and
seeing things I didn't fully understand plugged into a larger

(25:57):
structure that I definitely understand was cool and like made
it easier for me on first feeling at least two,
to be like, Okay, here are the things that I
didn't completely understand her that was just new to me,
and now I can just go and try to learn
about those things and figure out what their context were
in this kind of not entirely familiar story but like

(26:20):
a romantic comedy that wasn't like wait, what's happening? You know? Well,
like the un familiar stuff I'm curious, Well, like the
mang scene where I was like, they're playing a game
that I have no idea how to play. And I
read an article after I saw the movie that explains,
like there's a very important like significance to like Rachel's

(26:41):
hand where she gives up a specific tile and it's
symbolic of like her basically giving up her relationship with Nick,
so that there's like all that symbolism there. I wasn't
allowed to play Majong because my mom's dad like gambled
away their house when they're a little and he was
a big gambler. So I was not a low to play,
and so I've never understood how to play. I just

(27:03):
associated with like the amahs in the like smoky room,
and I'm not allowed to go in, Like I understood
what it culturally meant, but I didn't know the tiles.
But I thought they did such a great job setting
up the first scene about game theory because when they
mapped it back and it's like the Chinese version, you
instantly know what's gonna happen because they've set it up
already with poker with you, you do understand exactly exactly,

(27:24):
like here's something American audiences will definitely know, and then
here is like something that you probably haven't seen or understand,
but there's some context for it, and it makes it,
I don't know, like it. It does make it accessible
for someone who's not familiar with Chinese culture at all,
because even if you don't know the game, what's happening
in the scene is still like Rachel is basically sacrificing

(27:48):
her own happiness because she loves Nick so much to
be like, I'm giving him up for you, Eleanor like,
and then luckily that's the catalyst that makes Eleanor see, yeah,
she's cool. Play in the game dynamic is right, which
was just really good writing on like two different levels. Yeah.
But I think the fact that this movie it's representation

(28:11):
that we don't normally see. It's respectful American, Like I
just truly did not know that much about Singapore as
a city at Also a lot of those like images
and you know, even establishing shots, I'm like, oh, whoa,
this is like just not a city I see very
frequently in my day to day media consumption. Gonna say bullshit,

(28:32):
because everything idea is it a city and a country,
I believe, so it's like governs itself. It's like a
sovereign so it's like a city state. It's kind of
like Hong Kong where it's like its own So yeah,
got it, sovereign city state. Thank you, superproducer and Sophie.
So basically, the fact that we see this representation it's

(28:55):
handled responsibly that I think is largely due to the
fact that it's direct by an Asian man, it's co
written by a white guy and an Asian woman. It's
based on a book by an Asian guy. So it's
it's stories by this community and about this community. So
when that happens, as we see in many of the

(29:16):
movies that we've covered, where you know, if it's Michael
Bay trying to like depict anything, he does it terribly crazy. Ex.
Once was there a geisha and she was a robot.
But you know, if it's like Ryan Kugler directing Black Panther,

(29:38):
if it's John Chew directing crazy rich Asians, like it's
that's is why we have just the stories and the
characters and everything depicted in much more positive ways than
we're used to seeing those types of characters on screen.
And it's also just like a really well written movie.
So yeah, I think the thing with having like Asians
do this particular movie. I'm not saying like all Asian

(30:00):
movies have to be made by Asians, but there are
particular things that they pay attention to. I think that
helped the process along and makes it feel more authentic,
because I think it's like the Hollywood development machine. You
just you get scripts that are very broad, and so
there's just things in the movie where you're like, oh,
I get it, this is like what being Asians like.
And I think John M. Chew and especially Adele Lim

(30:22):
who is a Malaysian, a born screenwriter, like she's very
adjacent to Singapore, which is also very different from China. China.
It's like it's it's the island parts of Asia, which
have their own culture and their own way of doing
things too. So I think that specificity really helped them
pull it together. Yeah, for sure. One of the things
that I wanted to point out, and I'm interested in

(30:43):
sort of everyone's takes on this, but um, the like
older men who could be in the story basically like
the patriarchs, are largely absent from it because we do
not ever meet Nick's dad. We get to know next
mom a lot. He's like off on business. We meet Mama.
But Nick's grandfather has passed away, so we never know him,

(31:06):
but we get to know Ama. We spend a lot
of time with like Nick's aunties, but we never meet
any of the uncles. I don't think I feel like
this is kind of accurate because I think it's very
much like the home life is matriarchal. I mean, I
didn't grow up in Singapore. I don't know how accurate
that is, but I feel like in Taiwan culture, it's
like it is very much around the like Ama, like
in the house. Um. But you know, it's like doesn't

(31:29):
mean it's necessarily elevating woman. It's just like the home
is their place. So it's like kind of a double
edged sword because they do run ship, but also it's
like they run ship at home. Um. But I don't
know because even like my great aunt, she's like the
first female architect in Taiwan, and so she worked, so
it's not like she's home because she didn't work, but
like at home, it's like everything is about her. So
I think there's like this more emphasis on the woman

(31:52):
at home for sure in Chinese culture. Frankly, I found
it refreshing that to have a patriarchal, we didn't need
to man. Yeah. And then Eleanor also met her husband
at Cambridge, like they were college friends, so she gave
up like a promising law career to support her husband.
So I think that also means, I guess in the

(32:12):
subtext is that she was so smart and brilliant that
she was able to help her husband grow her business,
which was the acceptable gendered role at the time. Um,
but that without you know, her backing him, maybe like
the Young Empire would not have been as successful as
it was. That kind of seems like the implication. Yeah, yeah,
I think, yeah, it's interesting because um, I did notice
that too, and I think it felt for me that

(32:34):
felt more authentic, um not having the grandpa around or
the the dad's around. But also because it's a story
about the mom and the daughter. And I think even
though that's universal specifically with an ancient culture, like the
in law relationship is also very unique because there is
always like a lot of conflict with that, especially because
oftentimes they end up living with you and so then

(32:55):
it's like two women of the house and the sun,
and that's like a common living situation, and so even
in circumstances where it's not like a huge difference in
like socio economic class and stuff like that. Is there
still like kind of like a lot of tension in
a lot of those scenarios. Yeah, I think so my
mom doesn't get along with my dad mom, and I
see it a lot in other places to feel like that.

(33:16):
The inlaw thing that is like a univer I don't
think they always have to live with you, but there's
kind of an expectation if you're the oldest son, like
your mom will live with you as you get older,
got it. And so there's like you're taking on caring
for someone that's not your mom and maybe resenting a
little bit because you can't, like you can't take on
your mom right because it's not right to do that
because you're actually in Chinese, like we did differentiate, like

(33:39):
your grandma and your mom's side's called white pool and
why means outsider, So within the word you're if you're
a woman, you're considered an outside of your own family.
So if you marry a man, you're always going to
be referred to as outsider within your family, even by
your kids. Not your kids, but like your kids kids
call you like outside grandma, so there is like this

(33:59):
in bed it Um idea that like the woman's side
of the family, you're an outsider, and so that's why
there's so I think there's so much tension because like,
let's say you have to take care of your husband's
mom and then meanwhile, you're you treated like an outsider.
You're never going to be part of the family, and
you can't even treat your mom because you've married out
of your family. So now you're not You've left your

(34:20):
family to take care of another family. And Eleanor does that,
especially by handing Nick over for the amma to raise,
because she knows that she's the outside person, so she
essentially she gives her son up to the family. And
so that's also an interesting thing too because that means
like the powers kind of like passed between the women
and the generations, like the Ama is the one who's

(34:40):
going to determine the favorite of the next in line
and when when the grandfather's gone. So that's also like
a cool thing that they did in the movie. I
liked it. Yeah, yeah, that's all very fascinating. Yeah, a
question I had and when we were briefly having technical difficulties,
we were discussing it a little more. Is the various accents? Oh, yes,

(35:02):
can we talk? Because I genuinely just have no context
for any I was like, okay, some people have British accents.
And then and then, and I think a lot of
people who learn British English or the Queen's English because
Singapore was like a colony. It doesn't want me. But
the accents, I thought, you talking about Chinese accents. So
many of the Chinese accents are so bad, Like Nick

(35:22):
Young's Chinese Mandarin is horrendous, and Rachel's is pretty bad.
That's okay, that's normal for an ABC. But um, I
think the Grandma had the best. I think she's Taiwanese.
She sound in Taiwanese the way she spoke Mandarin, which
they're not Taiwanese. But a lot of I don't know,
that's not what I'm used to. But Mamas from joy
Lot Club, Oh that makes sense. But so much of
the Mandarin was just bad. And I was like, and

(35:47):
then the Asian accents, like the Singaporean accents like very
specific to and not a lot of the actors had
like the Singaporean accent because it was like a really
international cast you know. Ronnie's Australian, a Pinus from Queens,
you know, and Nico Santos is from like here, I think, right, yeah,
he's a Berry. And then Jimmy Oh Yang's also you know,

(36:08):
it's crazy and in like literally every single movie right
now too. He's also in the Melissa McCarthy puppet movie. Yes,
that's so funny. I love the pigs and valleys for
Jimmia Yang past couple of weeks. If you watch Chinese soaps,
whenever they have like a white character, she's just like
very caricature, like blonde girl whatever, and she's usually some

(36:29):
sort of like either like hot model or like evil girl.
It's like she's either like really great or really bad.
But usually their accents are bad too, so it goes
both ways. I think they're just like, well, people here
don't speak English. It's usually like a ustern European person
because closer maybe I don't know whoever is available in
Taiwan Hollywood, but it'll be like I don't know what

(36:50):
you're doing, like that's not an American. But they'll be
like she just flew in from New York. No she
did not. I'm mean, I'm more forgiving. I guess because
they do it there too, and whatever. Yeah, accents in
all Hollywood movies, I mean, even like American dialect, accents
in Hollywood movies can be very like you're supposed to

(37:12):
be from where. Every time there's a Boston accent in
a movie, I need just get furious in my head spins.
You know, what's a good Charlie from Stranger Things as British,
but I feel like his I didn't know this when
I watched. I did know he was arrested for cocaine possession.
He's a trouble young boy. Oh no, okay, we've got

(37:33):
to take a break. We're gonna go rescue Charlie from
STUPENTI from this coke pile. We'll be right back, and
we're back Rachel. I mean, I love Rachel. She's constant
woo is amazing. But um, Rachel's character, I thought, especially

(37:54):
for the rom com genre, Um, we've sort of touched
on it already, but like kind of is as stand
out for like you're saying to Resent, like we don't
have that meet cute scene. It's like clearly betrayed that
she has a career that makes sense, which never happens
in right, it's always like she is our curator, like

(38:15):
I worked for a magazine, fashion magazine. Right, She's like
I own a bakery, but my house is huge. So
that like that trap is kind of like where she
has this successful career. She's like the youngest faculty member
at NYU. She's like, she's like very impressive. They go
to great links to make you know that she is

(38:36):
like smart, capable, etcetera. And and we have a very
well fleshed out background for her as well, where we
meet her mother. We learned about like the interpersonal dynamics
of her family. We see do we see friends that
are just her friends or she mostly meeting I think? Right, right,

(38:56):
I mean and and so it's I think especially for
this genre, she's like a well written character that we
know more about them we would know about the average
rom com lead. Yeah, she has a lot of agency,
and I like that her next relationships very honest, Like
after the fish gutting, she just tells him and she's like, yeah,
it was gross. But I feel like even like in

(39:19):
real life, a lot of people be like, well, I
don't want to mention it done getting the satisfaction, but
it's like, no, should tell you should tell him? And
he is surprisingly unlike many you know, male love interests
in rom coms, like he's not actively lying to her
or actively manipulating her or the beginning, well he withholds
information with yeah, But I mean he's also very committed,

(39:45):
which is also something that's really nice to see in
a male love interest because I feel like a lot
of rom coms are like back and forth, back and forth.
Who likes people more? And he's always like very steadfastly
committed to Rachel and that's hot and does something that
men never do in movies in any genre, which is
apologized when they do something wrong, where it's like he
is laying at the beginning of the movie, but once

(40:07):
she is like, hey, you're lying, he's like, yes, I'm sorry,
and you're just like like it sucks that. It's such
a relief to see that. But there's so many I mean,
we just did an episode on Ten Things I Hate
About You where like the lie last the whole movie
and then at the end she asked for an apology
and he led her cuts her off by like making

(40:28):
out with her, So you know, men don't apologize in
the movies, so it's rarely nice to see his character.
We also don't know what he does. In the book,
he's a professor, but also in the book, speaking of line,
so Amanda, his ex is mentioned in the movie, but
in the book, um, she is an ex and he
had a threason with her and one of the other

(40:49):
girls was on the bast trip. So they bring it
up in the book and uh, and it's like, that's
why Michel so pissed because you didn't he didn't tell
me that your ex was coming, but you didn't tell
me this childhood friend of yours that you mentioned was
a girl. You got a threesome with your ex, and
they all want to marry you, so they hate me.
She deserved a heads up about all of Yeah. Yeah,

(41:10):
so we don't In the book he's a professor. In
the movie, we don't even We know like what Rachel
does and that she's very good at her job, and
then like Nick is just the guy that she's writ Um. Yeah,
I liked Nick's character a lot, but there he does
at certain points fall into the trappings of like man
who withholds conversation and then it's like, whoops, might be

(41:34):
you're already Matt, you know. But he does apologize, which
I don't even want to give him too much credit
for it, but that never happens in and she makes
him wait for it, like she is obviously heartbook, but
she didn't take it him back right away. So I
like that he apologized and has to deal with the consequence.
It's like has to work for it, as should everyone. Right,

(41:54):
we're going next. We've talked a lot about Eleanor, but
is there are there any thoughts on Eleanor that we
haven't For some good, she's like in everything, I feel
like she's such a like acclaimed actress. Yeah, I thought
that character was really well written, just like even the
idea of her having been treated that way and still
doing it, it's very accurate. Like I tweeted something my
mom used on Twitter, just a joke about how like

(42:17):
my mom was really hard on me growing up or whatever,
and she saw it and then responded like because I
told her, I was like, it's a joke. I don't
think you're hard on me. Whatever she might listen to anyways,
but you know, I was like, obviously, it's like a
joke about having high expectations, even though I know it's
for the best. And then she made a joke back
and she was like, oh, well, like I'm not like that,

(42:37):
but you did, you know my mom was like that,
and I was like, but you are like that, but
she said my grandma once my mom brought home like
a test and she said she did the best out
of seven kids. And then my grandma's answer was like,
why didn't you get Yeah, but I guess it's like
the cycle, like an Eleanor character kind of embodies that,
Like she was treated that way, but it didn't make

(42:58):
her more sympathetic. It made her actually harder because she
in her mind she's like, oh, you have it easy.
I had it harder. But she's doing the same thing. Right.
If you kind of compared this movie to something like
Meet the Parents, which has a similar premise in terms
of just like you know, meeting your future in laws
kind of thing in a standard like you know, Hollywood

(43:18):
Garden Variety romcom like that, Robert Nero's character is like
pulling out all the stops to like make sure he's
like sabotaging men Stiller, and it's just like really goofy
and like silly in a lot of ways. Whereas, like
with Eleanor's character, like she's very grounded and it doesn't
resort to these like really stupid silly moment. I mean,
I mean there maybe there's going to be a movie

(43:39):
like that, but in this case, it's just like, yeah,
like you can see where she's coming from, Like you
can tell based on her background and her upbringing and
her like just that cultural context. Like even if we
don't agree with her, we're still like, yes, this makes sense,
like this, this tracks for her character, and yeah, she's
developed really well. I think thinking of another in laws

(44:02):
movie I was like, which apparently is a subgenre of movies,
we receive Monster in Law and right where that is
such a like classically like woman on woman Haiti, and
the reasons given are very vague, and it's just like
you just know by the poster that it's going to

(44:22):
be Jane Fonda yelling at j Low for two hours.
And if you choose to see that, then you choose
to see that. But and and so anytime there's like
a future daughter in law, mother in law or even
just like any woman and woman conflict in a big movie,
you're like, oh, boy, like this could fall into so
many like tropes, but like you were saying, Caitlin, like

(44:44):
we've been talking about in general, it's just like everything
is so grounded and we're given all the information we
need to understand, and both characters grow and have a
better understanding of each other by the end. And it
was like, oh, that is like a very well managed
conflict between women in movies were usually if we're given
almost nothing, well the two characters are written as the

(45:05):
conflict is sort of central to how they understand themselves,
and I think that's what makes the conflict feel so grounded.
It's not like like you were saying vague reasons like
I don't like your hair color like that that a
reason to fight, or like the color of the wedding
or whatever. It's really how they see themselves in the world.
And when that point of view clashes, that's when you
get these really strong, you know, moments, but you also

(45:27):
just understand what both of them are coming from speaking
of like I mean bringing it back to the beachdal
test like because even though they're fighting kind of of
a man, they're not quite because it's like they talk
even in that dumplings thing they're talking about like career
and tradition and like values, so indirectly, like Nick is
wrapped up in that as an example of values, but

(45:47):
like replace it with anything else, Like Rachel wants something
that Eleanor has and their values are clashing, so it's
like it's not really about the man. It's about like
what does Rachel value, is it? Like their passion and
happyness and love, and Eleanor is like, no, no, you
value hard work and building relationships and sacrifice. Sacrifice, That's

(46:07):
what love is. It's sacrifice. It's giving up what you want.
So therefore you should give up what you want so
I can have what I want. Like that's kind of
like what she's saying, yeah, and so I don't think
it really is about the man, even though indirectly, Yeah, yeah,
I see what you mean, right, And like Jaman you
were saying, like oftentimes, if there is an antagonistic female relationship,
it's usually because like one woman will just hate another

(46:30):
woman simply because she's a woman and she sees her
as competition. Or you know, it's if we see like
a high school movie where there's like just like pettiness
between two women, it's never really established why that is.
Or like there's no background or context given as to
like why two female characters might not like each other.

(46:51):
It's usually just like relying on, you know, the stereotype
of you know, Hollywood being like, hey, you know how
girls can't get along, Well, here's a movie about it.
So to me, even though this is largely a story
about kind of what starts out as an antagonistic relationship
between two women, it's not what we usually see in movies.

(47:12):
It's like we said, it's there's the context that explains
why they are butting heads. It's more of a difference
of like values than it really is like them, you know,
fighting over a man, which is weird to say because
one of them is his mom. But but yeah, it's
like I think it's handled much better than it normally is.
It's like a double wind too, because it's like you

(47:33):
not only have a very well written female conflict, because
there is like sometimes in the wide ways there are
to criticize movies now and the different mediums to do
sometimes I feel like it gets lost and I've I've
definitely read is it Gillian or Jillian Flynn? Is it
Gillian Flynn? I thought it was Jilly Gillian. I don't

(47:54):
know for the purposes of this little sound bite, it's Jillian,
but she wrote this great thing about like having female
characters in conflict and how because it's never historically been
written very well. Um, there was sort of like this
prevalent criticism that was like, there just shouldn't we just
shouldn't show women in conflict at all. And it's like, no,

(48:16):
you can and should have women like that happens in
the world all the time, but just don't not give
us any context for why it's happening. And so seeing
it effectively written and it's but it's grounded and who
they are as people like it just I don't know,
it's great and it's some of the best things in
the movie. What do you guys think of Araminta the
girl getting married? Um? Oh so for her? For me,

(48:41):
I think it's she I don't know if she's complicit
in like the really horrible treatment that like Rachel receives
Allah like aromantous friends, who is kind of a fish
in her bed right because she knows about she feels
like she's a good example of trying to write. She yeah,
like they write varieties of types of rich people and

(49:04):
I feel like she's almost like when she's not the
worst kind, but she's kind where it's like they get
off scott free because they're not actually being horrible, so
in comparison, they're good, but they also are obviously turning
blinders to other people who aren't privileged, Like they're the
kind of people who are like, oh, poor people make
me sad like that exactly, like every once in a while,
like her extravagant party and then she's like, I'm gonna

(49:26):
be cute to invite Rachel, but also like maybe funny,
but I'll stay out of it. Right, she creates the
environment for the conflict to happen, and she's like, conflict,
this happened drama at the party. I think she's kind
of I don't know if she's actually based on Angela Baby,
but do you guys know who Angela Baby is. She's

(49:47):
like one of the most famous people in China. She's
just like she looks kind of like what a computer
program version of a perfect Chinese person would look because
she's got so much classic surgery. But she's just like
on everything. And her wedding was like three times Kim
Karre's wedding or something I think she's in some big
Hollywood movies, but she has like very yeah, not a
lot of words, very CG. Yeah, but they'll put her

(50:09):
and stuff to sell tickets. Got and she's like that
she like four wedding dresses and like a carouse al
wedding cake and stuff like that. So yeah, and Aaron
and just character was one of the few characters in
this movie that to me, like I saw it and
registered just like, oh, that's a round com stock character
that's being used in this movie. Another one that I

(50:30):
felt like was very I think Killen. We talked about
this after the movie. Aquafina's brother and who's like it's
funny because he's a pervert and he's trying to take
pictures of her naked, Like that is such a com trope.
That was like, alright, I guess that's like Aquafina. Ever
she's they're noticing it happening, and she's never like hey, brother,

(50:53):
like stop that that's gross and creepy, Like no one
challenges it, and it's just that was like the one
part of the movie I was like, oh, to take
a pictures of a naked not naked, but like always
he's stopped. Yeah, like just the stockerd narrative in that character.
I thought it was because he was going to post
on social media, but I guess that makes more sense
that he just wanted it first collection I thought he

(51:13):
was that's that's what it seems like at first. Either way,
he's taking photos of her without her permission, over and
over and over, and then there's a scene where she's
like lying in bed with her mom and they're having
this big heartfelt moment, and then like the button of
that scene is like him taking the pictures and they're
just like, oh you how long have you been there?
A short while? And they're like t and it's like

(51:36):
he's invading scene. And especially that coming to the button
at the end of a really well done scene about abuse,
like and here's this creepy boy I'd taken. I was like,
get out of here? Why are It was totally really weird.
It was yeah, I was like who lets you know?
They're like, hey, jed Apata right the ending to this,

(51:58):
let's just see what how right Ken John's character and
that the end of that scene. The other super Stock
character I really liked was the film producer and his
his trashy girlfriend's fun comedic. He's like producing a movie
where like his girlfriend is tied up and like a

(52:19):
guy is like nearby like fighting. It's like, what is
this the end of Spider Man two mentioned, So, yeah,
are meant to just read to me as like, yeah,
like this is like kind of a less written out
roumcom character. Yeah, she's a little plotty because everyone's going
to her wedding too, so she's kind of disturbing story. Um,

(52:42):
let's talk about Astrid. She is the i would say,
other main female character with like kind of her own
story arc, and it's there partly to sort of like
mirror what's happening with Rachel and Nick, because she is
this like rich like charity organizer, socialite like fashion icons

(53:07):
five at the beginning, but she's like Nicks like one
relative that he's really bonded with and like they're actually
like friends and stuff like that, and then she and
Rachel will kind of forge a friendship over the course
of the movie. But then so her main storyline is
she discovers that her husband, who was like a military

(53:28):
officer I think that's the captain in the army Michael,
but like does not come from a wealthy family so
that was like caused for some controversy. And you know
the family where like he married into money, she married
like a poor guy. Yeah, so for her, I have
a lot of thoughts about her. I don't feel like

(53:48):
she's as innocent as she tries to act like. I
think she's the kind of person who wants to be
so perfect. She has done all the right things, went
to the right school, whatever, it looks beautiful. But I
don't think she's like like, I think she wants to
be with a man of lower status, even though she
would never say that to him, but because she enjoys
being high status and she enjoys being not wrong, so

(54:09):
she I think in her mind is like maybe I
think in her mind she's like, he would never stray
because look what he gets, Like in no world would
he ever get this, and I'm giving it to him,
and so it hurts more when he strays. But then
when he does stray, she can't be wrong because nobody
will be like, oh what does she do wrong? Because
it's like, no, she's like hot, rich, famous and perfect

(54:30):
and smart, So he must not be a man, he
must be insecure. It must be his fault. And I
think she builds that situation purposefully or maybe subconsciously. But
I think she's the kind of person who wants to
be always right and always perfect, and that's why she's
not actually that innocent. And there's yeah, there's like hints

(54:50):
of that in the movie in fact, like her husband's
even like you always have to be like the prettiest,
most port Like you're not like reacting to learning that
I'm having an affair because like you can't be bother
is he having a fair hot take hot Michael take.
I'm not one to be a Michael apologist, but I mean,
I definitely see what you're saying. That was something that

(55:12):
I remember being like presented more effectively in the book.
Maybe there just wasn't enough time for it in the movie.
It's already a two hour movie. They didn't get too
much into it. But I think the credit sequence they
have a quick sneak peek about her running into Charlie,
which is her ex um But I think in the
book she's not having an affair, but she keeps talking
to Charlie about how she thinks Michael's having an affair,

(55:33):
and it's like you're hiding the fact that you're talking
to your ex from your husband, and this is your
ex that you almost married. So who is actively in
love with you? And who you know that? Which is
not like covered in the movie at all. Yeah. Actually,
I mean she didn't really have as much to do, no,
but I think she wants to be not wrong, So
I think she talks, you know, if she's talking to

(55:54):
her X was in love with her, complaining about her marriage,
she gets to then be the hero of that story
to him. She gets to be rescued too. I appreciate
her presence in this story. And I don't know if
this was done purposefully or not by like the writer
and the filmmakers, but her being in the story and
making like forming a friendship with Rachel sort of balances

(56:14):
out the antagonistic relationship that she's having with Eleanor. So
if you the only female relationship you saw in the
movie was Rachel and Eleanor, we might be like, oh,
that's like there's other options. Um, So, I mean we
get that relationship, we get her relationship with Aquafina's character,
we get a relationship with her mom, right, the whole

(56:35):
spectrum of woman interaction. But I think because she's like
so rich and like, you know, this like high status woman.
She could easily you know, ignore or pay no mind
to Rachel. But the fact that she's like, I'm going
to make an effort to actually like be her friend, uh,
I think is like maybe a conscious effort to be like, hey, look,

(56:57):
rich people can be nice too. But he cares a
lot about her image, Like she invited Alma to the
wedding after Michael left her so that nobody would wonder
why Michael wasn't there, and that's why she walked in
with Alma. That's why Alma says, that's why she says
thank you to her Alma when they're walking down and
people are like, oh, she never comes, And so that's
like a hint to like how much she cares so

(57:17):
much about image, she's like neglected her actual relationships. Yeah,
I felt the Michael Asterid storyline felt I mean, I
think it was just because it was like more addressed
in the book, but like it it felt it felt
weird in the movie a little bit where it's like
I in the movie I like felt for Michael a

(57:39):
little bit where it was kind of like cutting dry
in a movie that it does very well with a
nuance storyline there felt a little bit less like you
cheated on me, yes, queen bye, like that was kind
of but I really enjoyed her relationship with Rachel. Uh
that was like presented awesome and seen with them on

(58:00):
the beach and like where they're bonding and said and
You're like, oh, this is great and asked actually didn't
want to go on the bachelorette party each other because
she says to Michael, how would you feel if I
came and worked at the office, and I was That
was the scene where I was like, oh, this is
like actually a real marriage. This isn't just like some
pretty thing, because like she's offering to give up some

(58:21):
like fabulous vacation time to spend time with her husband,
and so when she's on the vacation, it very much
feels like she's like giving up her husband. And the
trip itself was wasn't something that she really wanted to do.
It was like a constellation prize. So like then when
when Michael says that like she never loved and I
was like, well, dude, you haven't been paying attention, Like well,

(58:44):
so I really do, Like, as I know, I'm going
to be super hard on her but because I like
her and she's the one that I feel like I'm
the most aspirational too, like I would love to be
in her shoes. But I also feel like I recognized
her flaws of wanting to be this perfect image. But
I also don't think that relation to her relation with
Rachel is all that innocent. I think again, her wanted
to be high status draws her to Rachel because she

(59:05):
can be the nice high status because Rachel is a commoner,
and so being around Rachel, she's kind of like immune,
Whereas if she gets involved with the girls, she's not
immune because they're of her level and so they can
play Caddy with her too, and she could get hurt.
And so I think that it was all very calculated.
And I think even her offering to help out at

(59:27):
the office is calculated because it would be taken as
an active sacrifice, and she wants everything she does to
be recognized as an active sacrifice. So I think, I
don't know, like I really like her, but I also
I'm really hard on her because I feel like she's
like this embodiment of like the sort of Chinese need
to succeed and be perfect, but also being so privileged.

(59:51):
You don't see how you are privileged. I don't know, right,
she isn't perfect. Well, the fact that you're able to
say so much about her means that she's written in
such a way that you can actually clean this kind
of stuff, because so many female characters and movies are
just like, we don't know anything about that person or
her personality or her background or anything like that. So

(01:00:11):
the fact that she is presented with different you know,
choices and situations and that you are, you know, kind
of reading. Also, she neglects her son, like they say,
your son wants to see you, and she's like okay,
and she's like reading some French and she doesn't understand,
like she's already trying to make him into this perfect

(01:00:33):
little international kids, Like I think you just don't have
to spend time with you, Like she was shopping all day,
like spending a million dollars on ear rings. Come on, also,
I want herrings were really nice? Yeah? Should talking about Picklin? Yeah,
Aquafina love her. Yeah, I mean she's like the kind

(01:00:56):
of stock like comic relief best friend character as you
see in many potoms. They're like, oh, we're going to
hire a stand up to do this, like her main
contributions to the story I think are making sure that
Rachel looks the part basically. So there is the scene
early on where she gives her address to wear to

(01:01:17):
the party at Alma's house, and then later there's the
makeover scene. About the makeover scene, I can't wait for
the Crazy Rotations episode. Comma this is I mean, for me,
this is just a trapping of the genre that could
have been avoided but wasn't. I don't know. I didn't

(01:01:40):
hate it. I don't have a good montage. Yeah, it's fine.
I mean, it's like the thing about this particular makeover
scene that wasn't I don't know like it. It didn't
bother me where our mentions got flooded about like red
flag makeover scene. But the way this one is done,
I feel like, if it's like, Okay, we have to
have a makeover scene, there has to be a montage

(01:02:02):
scene whatever. Some good looks are seen, but it's not
like the Princess Diaries makeover scene, where it's like you're
becoming another person and we're stripping you of your identity,
which is what so many makeover your scenes are coated
as of like you know, take off the glasses, lift
up your tips, like the whole not enough, You're not
good enough, stops using three syllable words, like the whole

(01:02:23):
thing like it's a personality make over to where this
was sort of just I don't know my reading. It
was like, all right, she just needs a nice dress
for the wedding. That's true, though the whole thing is
like you're not gonna be enough, and she's like, just
watch me become a different person, right right? What if
she just shut up in sweatpants? Was like, I am enough.
I'm so enough that I'm going to scale back. How

(01:02:45):
enough I am? I? Well, so we'll talk about the
makeover scene in a second, but I do kind of
wish One of my issues with this movie is that
I wish Rachel who has a PhD and e con comics,
who's an expert in game theory, which admittedly I don't
know what that is. I should have googled it, but

(01:03:06):
I literally always gave very in dating all the time.
Well you gotta use it. It's all about a pickup
artisses the game. No, I don't mean it that way,
but I'm your emotional losses. It's not about like like
trying to pick up people. But it's like the game
theory is just like in all the options and deciding

(01:03:28):
like all the outcomes and the word and then going
off the worst instead of the best. Right, So then
the world if I hide how I feel the worst
case scenarios, I'm always going to be lying to myself.
So then no matter what, even if you tell the
truth then it hurts, it's still better than the one
where you're lying to yourself. That's how I use game theory. God, interesting,
I should try that if I ever date again. Um So,

(01:03:51):
Rachel is an ECON professor, so she knows about economics.
She surely knows that capitalism is maybe not the best thing.
So I what I wish for this movie is that
she just did a little bit more to challenge just
the extravagance and the real the wealth and the opulence

(01:04:12):
and all of that, because I mean, anyone who gets
that rich has exploited people. They have probably not done
some great things maybe, And that doesn't seem like they're
aside from Asterid, they don't seem to be that charitable.
They seem to just be kind of hoarding their wealth
and time, like Aquafina. I think at one point says
like that house is two hundred million dollars, like that's crazy.

(01:04:35):
So I just wish that maybe in a in a
perfect world, Rachel would have been like, hey, you guys,
and all of your wealth, uh growth, like, maybe share
some of this? I d k anyway, Um, basically I
wanted Rachel to be a socialist icon. So back to
the makeover scene. So we talked in the I think

(01:04:57):
it was the Aladdin episode. I think we made them
as sake of saying that it's kind of rare to
see a movie about a lower status or lower class
woman getting together with a higher status guy, but that
that we weren't right about that that was busted because
there are plenty of movies like that, this one being

(01:05:18):
one of them, Cinderella, Pride and Prejudice and these all
that Manahan, Pretty Woman, My Fair Lady, Slash Dance. You know,
there's kind of different examples coming to America, but in
many of these examples, the woman does have to get
a makeover or kind of lie about her status to

(01:05:38):
be more appealing to the man. So in Crazy Rich Asians,
the makeover, as we said, isn't it's literally just to
be like, hey, there's not even a makeover, it's it's
a dress trying on montage so that I can wear
a nice dress to the wedding that I've been I've
been planning to go to, and it's not built around
a lie. Exactly happens. Yeah, it's not like I need
to make myself more physically appealing to the man so

(01:06:01):
that he will realize that he loves me. But in
movies where it's a like lower status man who ends
up with an upper status woman, and we see that
in things like Aladdin, Titanic, obviously, Wish wish, Um, the Notebook,
lad in the Tramp, dirty Dancing, Look, I'm not really um.

(01:06:29):
We see like in Star Wars with like Han and Leah,
even like there's all these different examples. Usually in in
those cases, the man doesn't really have to do much
of anything to change rarely even changes his clothes. In Aladdin,
yes he becomes a prince, but that I think is
kind of an exception to the rule. The beast puts
on that nice but he's already he's the rich one.

(01:06:51):
He's the prince, and she and Bell is a commoner. Yeah,
he's the dog the Dog Prince coming to CDs. Honestly, wait,
really quick, scientist. Has anyone ever seen the Like Network
series from the late eighties about Beauty and the Beast? Oh,
the one produced by g RR Martin? Yes? Where, Oh

(01:07:14):
my gosh, it's Ditty the Beast in late eighties New
York City. Beauty is a high powered lawyer's best and
she's Linda Hamilton's Yes, what the beast herminator boyfriend. The
beast is what's his name? The guy from Sons of Anarchy?
I can't remember Ron Pearlman Cowboys, so it's like hell

(01:07:35):
boy Terminator, come boy it is. I won't say it's
a good show. I'll say it is a wild ride,
and I highly recommend him. He lives in a layer
underneath the city, so Linda Hamilton's forced to come see
him whenever she has trouble with a case. He's like
growling amongst his books. Let me help a man. He's

(01:07:58):
the best. He's an actual beast. It feels like such
a weird like, oh my god, like a furry entry.
It feels like such like a focus group workshop show.
It was like, Okay, people like beauty and people like
lawyer's people like New York City. I just have to
remind everyone that without that furry beauty and the Beast,

(01:08:20):
we would not have Game of Thrones because that's where
gry got started. Just a click hot Red so much
in the best TV series. It's real like he looks
like a Grench he does. The Beast looks very uncandy
belly in this show. Anyways, what a time to be alive.

(01:08:43):
To close the book on the dress montage scene, Um,
I didn't hate it. It's I think they're because you
can't have a romantic movie without people trying on different clothes.
But I think because it's unlike many movies where we

(01:09:04):
see a lower status woman having to basically change everything
about herself in order to be usually physically appealing to
the man, because so much of women's worth is attached
to their looks. Unfortunately, so for a woman in many
of these movies to be even a viable romantic option,
she has to take off her disgusting glasses and get

(01:09:28):
rid of her horrible pony tail and put on rich
people clothes. So that doesn't really happen in this movie.
It's really just her trying on some dresses. Could the
movie have done without it. Short, it's not a cornerstone
plot point of the film, so it easily could have
been gotten rid of and the movie would essentially be

(01:09:49):
no different a loot that we're talking about it. I
almost feel like maybe it is included because this is
a romantic comedy and that is such a familiar scene
in that genre, and so maybe it's just like the
movie's way of being like, Okay, here's this scene, but
it's not. There's not the same implied toxicity that this
scene would normally have. True. Well, before that scene, Rachel

(01:10:11):
says to Peck and she's thinking about not going to
the wedding, So the scene sort of serves that, I
think as like a supportive scene from her friends, like
that we're kind of arming you for the battle of
this wedding, Like this wedding is the thing that you
came to Singapore for. And so the closer like almost
like a symbol of how to get ready for something
as big as this, which is kind of nice, you know.
It's it's really it's like about her community helping her, right,

(01:10:34):
And that scene is part of a larger kind of
sequence where before that they're like eating dinner and Picklin
is basically like gearing her up to be like you
have to like you have to challenge this woman, like
you need to show her that she that you're like
a fighter, that you are enough. There's that whole like
bock box thing. And then she said to the wedding yeah.

(01:11:01):
And then at the end of that scene, Rachel's like,
what are you doing tonight? She's like, I don't I'm
probably just hanging out of FedEx. Funniest it I would say,
I was like, what are you doing? I got I
guess do my send the mail? Doesn't take all night?
I guess like myself up to do it and I
might not even leave my bed so stressful thinking about

(01:11:23):
FedEx um. And then in the aftermath of the wedding
is Piglin again being a very supportive friend and you
know she goes to stay with her. I really like
that friendship and how that all plays out. Yeah, so
Makeover seen, you know, it's it's there. It's not the
worst example we've ever seen. When did you guys first cry?

(01:11:45):
In this? Okay, we are coming on what when I
saw there? There are quite a few like kind of
female gaze shots in this movie, where like when Michael's
taking a shower and I just like it's like, but
I love that because like Asian men, I feel like

(01:12:06):
often are de sexualized in Hollywood. Soul they made a
point to like almost so much where you like, I
get it, and they're like really linger on makeout scenes
to be like these are sexual beans. Like there's a
lot of Asian people, what do you think they come from? Sex?
It's also a trope in Asian dramas. There's always a
shower scene to introduce a male love interest. In the
Asian drama, there's always like what who it is showering?

(01:12:28):
You're just like, okay, I've seen it all, so it's
like a nice nod, did that? So my Okay. We're
coming off of our MoMA Mia episode in which I
talk a lot about how I'm not a huge fan
of wedding culture. I you know, don't like a whole
lot of what weddings are about. The wedding scene in

(01:12:52):
this movie made me cry each time I saw, each
of the three times I saw it. It's really whenever
the lights go down, like the illuminated little like fireflies
or kind of and then it's it's so beautiful. This
whole movie is very beautiful. When it really gets me,
I know, it's crazy. I was like that scene, it's

(01:13:16):
just like the number of wet facts taken to this room. Afterwards,
it's when Nick mouth I love you and she mails
it back, and I was just like, I've never cried
at a wedding in real life. I've never cried at
a wedding scene in any movie ever until this one.
And I just don't know who I am anymore. So

(01:13:38):
I cried a lot of the moms scenes. I cried
at the wedding, but I was also thinking about wet facts.
It's like, I want to see the scene of the
poor people who have to clean this wedding, the pas
so much like there's just so or like in the
world in the movie, like the janitorial staff were like, well,

(01:13:59):
good for them, like like fire up their wet bags.
H would see that short film. But anyways, cried at
the scene at the end between Rachel and her mom
and her mom just even when her mom showed up
and man, yeah, mom seems to make me cry. Mine
was at the very end when Eleanor gives her that

(01:14:20):
look it's like barely an acknowledgement but there's like just
so much in that moment or I was just like, yeah,
they get it. It was I really like the restraint
that that scene showed too, because it could have been
like they met up again. Oh I'm so sorry for
being Oh it's okay, thank you for accepting me into

(01:14:41):
your family, and it's like none of that happened, none
of that needed to happen. That like classic and I
always cry at this the version of the scene as well,
where it's like you are my daughter now, but there
You're right. There is a ton of restraint in that
scene and is communicated with a look nice. Yeah. Is
there anything else anyone wants to say about the movie?

(01:15:03):
Not too late to cast me in the sequel? It's
dee say to you too, I'll be picking. So the
only white people you see in this movie who have
lines are being racist? Um, which is the British guys. Yeah,

(01:15:24):
the British guys at the hotel at the beginning, except
for the one white guy comes in and he's all
like eleanor my friend here, let me sell you my hotel,
So he's being nice. But other than that, really, the
only white people you see are either being racist or
they are kind of just in the background, sort of
the scenery of the movie, much like people of color

(01:15:45):
usually are in most movies. So it's really refreshing. I
think minorities to get to embody racism movies, that's usually
right unfortunately. Um but yeah, so this is a movie
where white people are treated the same way that people

(01:16:06):
of color normally are in white stories. So that was
a great kind of reversal. There was like an article
that said early on, when they're adapting, the scriptive producer
asked Kevin if he would consider making Rachel white, and
what the fuck that would be? Like a white girlfriend

(01:16:27):
and going to see the crazy rich Asian world. I'm
so glad they didn't do that. God. That's so of
course some would be like, hey, just throwing this out.
Have you thought about Emma Stone, Crazy Scarlet, a gal Story,

(01:16:52):
the Holy Trinity Asian American actors? So oh god. Um.
There's also been some um criticism about the erasure of
South Asian people. I don't know exactly population wise what
they comprise in Singapore, but we do see like a
few brown people guards. Yeah, but that makes sense to

(01:17:17):
me because the world, Like, again, I don't think this
world is a free of criticism, Like they're really rich,
privileged people, but I think their world is really elitist,
so they probably do have a class thing. Yeah, and
I feel like, totally it would be nice to see
more movies about that. But totally it would have been
weird if we then saw I don't know the workers

(01:17:38):
or something and just like a serious scene about how
it's really hard and the decades. I feel like vaccine, vaccine. Yeah.
I mean we do see the market and there is
more diversity there. Yeah. I mean, if if anything, no
movie isn't pervious to criticism. But to me, we just indicate, Okay,

(01:18:01):
so we need more movies showing a wider range of
different types of Asian people. Um, alright, well should we
should we determine whether or not the movie passes the
Bechtel tests, Yes we should, and yes it does A
million billion times a lot. I stopped counting. Right. There's

(01:18:22):
a lot of different combinations, Um, Rachel and Araminta, Rachel
and Pikulin, Rachel and her mom, Rachel and Eleanor. Although
I would say the vast majority of conversations between women
are about nick Or, the subtext is that gets For example,
like when Aramont is like, hey, come to my bachelorette

(01:18:44):
party and Rachel's like, I'd love to. Does that pass
the Bechtel tests because they don't specifically say a man's name.
But she's saying, hey, come to the party that celebrates
me being single before I marry a man. Kind of thing.
We can fall We can fall down that rabbit a day. Um.
But there are like whenever Rachel's like, piglin, you have

(01:19:05):
a cocktail dress in your trunk and she's like, yeah,
I'm not an animal that passes. Are doing tonight? I
don't know? Going to is my favorite? Passively they're like wow, okay,
cool and her and the princess talk about something in
the front. Yeah. They talked about micro loans and how

(01:19:26):
how giving women micro loans uplifts the economy. So feminist
icon princess whatever her name was, she had a name,
and therefore it passes. Yeah, it passes a bunch of times.
And and like we were saying, speaking to just like
the way women are portrayed. I mean we see a
lot of different types of relationships between women, which is

(01:19:48):
good for any movie for sure, definitely, And a lot
of twins and plantation. Oh, I remember the one thing
I didn't say that was in the book that wasn't
in the movie. One, so that she has three Pecanese
dogs in the movie. I don't remember what the first
one was called, but it's like Rockefeller and Vanderbilt. But
the third one in the book is named Trump, as

(01:20:11):
they changed for the movie. Well, they do say like
Piglin says, like, my mom like designed her house after
Donald Trump's back. That was funny. But I think they
were like, we shouldn't have this dog named Trump. It's
so crazy because the book was written five years ago already. Yeah,

(01:20:31):
Dystopia amazing. Let's write the movie on a nipple scale,
where we rate based on its portrayal and representation of
women zero to five nipples. Did you feel like how
women are exists in Chinese culture was represented accurately by
this movie or were there blind spots that were like

(01:20:51):
missed because that was the one. I mean, when I
was thinking about my rating, I'm like, I just like
I have lower knowledge of like is this an accurate
representation of women in this culture? I think they had
a lot of different kinds of women in this culture too.
In the movie, which I liked. I mean, Rachel's the
classic like high achieving Asian American. Her mom is, you know,
like an immigrant that came up through her own education.

(01:21:13):
And then there's the very wealthy people. I would say
there weren't enough average Asian representation, like people who were mediocre.
There were extraordinary Asians represented that was fine, But yeah,
I would say overall, did a good job. Yeah, yeah,
I don't feel like that, like I probably put like

(01:21:33):
a gay girl in there or something that a gay guy,
but they also exploited, didn't expecisely say who was gay.
I feel like it was applied. So I feel like
it's still very broadcast applied coded gay characters. Man, right,
we gotta say, yeah, well, the same with Oliver's character
is and mom listeners if we have any you know,

(01:21:54):
queer listeners that went away in about this Oliver character,
I think because he identifies himself as the rainbow sheep
of the family, I think that's to me, that's identifying
himself as being queer. Um. So I don't even know
if he's coded queer. I think he's like pretty explicitly
that way. He just he doesn't like scream I'm gay,
but you know by him staying rainbow sheep of the family,

(01:22:14):
I think that's him identifying himself as queer. I do
wonder if he sort of falls into sort of a
trope queer character, especially a gay man who loves fashion
and it's like all about like look at your earrings
and look at your shoes and dress and like. So
I also the Vita Rooster test came to mind, where

(01:22:34):
it's like, Okay, is there identifiably queer characters in the story.
Would removing them have an impact on the story? I
would argue with his character, it wouldn't make that much
of a difference, and that Paklin would basically take over whatever.
And again that was another thing where I'm like, this
is more of a failure of this genre that this
movie doesn't correct per se. Yeah, but I also think

(01:22:57):
it's a little bit like culturally, like that's probably that
if they started talking about it would just be its
own movie. But like I do think he I don't
know how accepting his family is of him being gay,
So maybe that is one of the reasons he's kind
of marginalized in the story and also maybe indirectly like
to the main arc as well. Yeah, right, and just

(01:23:17):
like mainstream movies are still so hesitant to like have
out characters, right, I don't know, Like Rainbow Sheep, I do.
I I agree that is identifying as queer, but it's
just like, I don't know. Yeah, it's still be handled better,
still feels a little bit tropy, Yeah, for sure. So
then I guess from my rating, I'm going to give

(01:23:38):
it a four and a half. I mean, just the
obvious wonderful that this movie exists in terms of its representation.
Hope to see many more movies like this to come.
Hopefully this is the beginning of a large trend of
seeing many more Asian characters represented on screen, many more
Asian stories mainstream Hollywood story. I think that the female

(01:24:03):
characters who we do get to know, which there are
quite a few, are developed well. They're written carefully. We
are given much more context and background for most of
them than we're usually afforded in most movies. I do
wish that Rachel was a socialist and that she was

(01:24:26):
meeting now she probably goes a brunch. Brunch is such
a thing. But yeah, and I like that this movie
doesn't adhere to a lot of the tropes of a
rom com and maybe because it's not even really a
rom com, like it's not about the pursuit and the

(01:24:47):
developing of that romantic it's a but Yeah, I think
I would say most of the characters are developed well,
written responsibly. Four and a half nips? Who are you
giving them too? I'm going to give two to Aquafina,
I'm gonna give to to Constance Wu, and I'll give

(01:25:10):
my half nip to Oliver because I like his character too.
I'm gonna give us a four point to five. Yeah, yeah,
because I just feel like, kick give a or then
we'll feel like satisfied with ourselves and stop making movies.

(01:25:30):
Keep you know, you gotta have a little bit of
aspirational growth. It's Thetaan way. Yeah, the game theory, I
felt like it was a really strong story, like really
well written. All the women had an agency. I mean,
obviously it's about love, so it's still going to go
back down to the idea of like being with a man,
but you know, it works with any you know, I

(01:25:50):
didn't have to be a man. It's any relationship is
hard and meeting the family's conflict and it's all about sacrifice.
So I didn't think him being a man and like
control in her life was central to and he wasn't
asking to control her life too, which is nice for sure.
Um so yeah, so I high high score. And also
just Rachel is like, you know, I don't know, it's

(01:26:11):
just like me privileged bitch. Are you giv to um? Yeah,
I'll give up. Let's see, I'll give I'll give two
to Constant Woo. I'll give one to Aquafina. Can I
give one to the soundtrack. I really like the for it. Okay,
I'm gonna give one to the soundtrack. Great soundtrack, and

(01:26:32):
then i'll give I'll get the quarter to the director.
I feel like you did a good job of realizing
the well rounded vision. Hell yeah, so I'm gonna be
five nipples because everyone should see this movie again next weekend,
trying to promote it as much as I can. Who
would I give nipples to? I would give two to
Adelaie Limb, the writer. I just didn't feel like there's
such great um cultural stuff that she did. One to

(01:26:56):
Constance Woo, went to Eleanor, went to I'm sorry Michelle
the goddess Michelle, Yo, she's amazing, And then I would
agree with Teresa went to the soundtrack as well, because
I think the soundtrack did this really good job of
showing like the cultural dissonance of being Chinese in American
and it kind of gave that to the white audience
because it was familiar, but it was different at the

(01:27:16):
same time. So I thought it did a great job.
I want to take back one of my nips from
Constant to give it to Michelle tough Luck Conscious maybe
next time go back here syndicated show. I'm gonna go
four and a half. I really like this movie. I'm
excited to see it again, like knowing everything we've talked about,

(01:27:40):
it's like cool too, I don't know, just like I
feel like it will be a slightly different, more informed viewing,
which I'm excited for. The only half nip I'm docking
it for is the times it falls into the rom
com traps that I don't love as much, the creepy
brother trope that the few things and I just wish that.
And this is again a genre thing, but I wish

(01:28:00):
that Picklin had more of an arc herself other than
getting to see cool, rich people stuff. She's already rich
right right where It's like she I felt there were
like there was room in the story for her to
have a small arc of her own, and that character,
for whatever reason, just didn't have it. And Aquafina is
amazing and every scene and can do more. So I

(01:28:21):
would have liked to see her be you know, allowed
to do more as a you know, comic relief character
as well. Anyways, four and a half given too to
MICHELLEO because I love her, Giving one to Constance, give
one an Aquafina, And I'll just toss my last half
one out to Jimmy O Yang, who we didn't mention

(01:28:42):
the whole damn time. Bernard Tye. He wears shiny underwear.
That's what we know about him. It's what we know,
and he gets my half nip. Well, thank you so much,
Teresa and Sita. What a treat, What a treat it's been.
Thank you for having us so fun. What would you
like to plug anything? Where can people follow you? And
I'm sure I have a podcast what you guys about

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have been on It's called You Can Tell Me Anything,
So you guys can check it out. Checked it out?
Check it out. Yeah, people confess secrets to me, So
that's on on the podcast. Places that's great, And where
can people follow you and oh, I'm on Twitter at
Larisa t l e R s t E Nice Perfect,
And I'm on Twitter as Slowbear s l O b

(01:29:26):
e a R. And I run a monthly show Interior Defined,
which is a couch store, but you can come and
enjoy the couches and the store feeds you one and pizza,
So look out for it on my Twitter. Great, well,
thank you so much for coming in. You can find
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