Good Will Hunting with Ayo Edebiri

On this episode, Jamie and Caitlin invite special guest Ayo Edebiri to examine Good Will Hunting. How do you like them apples?

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
On the be Dol Cast. The questions asked if movies
have women in them, are all their discussions just boyfriends
and husbands, or do they have individualism? The patriarchy? Zef
and best start changing it with the beck Del Cast. Hey,
what the fund is up? Is the Bechdel Cast. My
name is Jamie loft Is, my name is Kale Doronnie.

(00:21):
There is that how people said your name there? I
don't know they're sounded right? Okay, you know what? I
don't think I can actually do about an accent very well.
Absolutely cannot end up kind of doing a Newsies kind
of think every time I try to do it. But
you know, I think that fits with this episode because
like there's maybe one person doing about an accent that
makes any sense in this movie. I this is the

(00:44):
Bechtel Cast. Yeah, what what is the Bedel Cast? Hey kid,
what's the fucking Bechdel Cast? Fucking tell you? Is where
to broads? Talk about broads? Inflicts? Brods in a flick?
Gotta talk about something that's not a dude. You want
to know what the fucking you want to know? The

(01:05):
Bechtel Cast, this broad Betel, this fucking the fucking rules
women in their rules, right right. Okay, so here's what happens.
Then you gotta have two broads that have names, and
they gotta talk to each other, because when they won't
stop talking, talk to each other about something other than
their fucking husband sounds stupid. So I fucking hate it. Anyway,

(01:32):
this is my favorite. This is my favorite episode. It's
gonna be the most annoying one. I decided today, this
could be the this could be the worst one. Oh wait,
let's do an example of how something might pass the
Bectel test. Just like a boy I can't from Hello,
you sound like that lady on SpongeBob Jamie. This is

(01:56):
us passing the Bechtel test. Um do you like apples? Yeah? Yeah,
how do you like the apples? Oh? My god? That
it was an incoherent as like who oscar winning writers?
I feel as I feel absolutely sick thinking about I'm

(02:17):
so excited for this episode. Yes, anyway, so hopefully you
know what the podcast. Yeah, we talk about the representation
of women in movies and today's movie. Okay, oh boy,
motherfucking after no one has requested this movie. Literally ever,
you didn't ask for it. Here it is, this is
our episode on Google hunting. That's right, and to join

(02:38):
us in our discussion. We've got a very funny stand
up comic and writer from Boston, and she's from Boston.
Iowa debris what it does pleasure? Yeah, my friends. So yeah,
we're fucking wearing Boston from from dot Rat from Georchester. Yeah,

(03:06):
that real shit. I'm third generation brockton Ian. Yeah, everyone's,
everyone's We're still out there in Brockton. We're on the
south side near Westbridge, witer. We don't like Westrata. They suck.
Go to Easton a little bit to the east. They
got they got a lot, they got too much heroin there.
They don't go there. To Brockton is not good the best.
It doesn't have the best reputation. But they say it

(03:28):
in the depoded once they do, and we do not
let people forget it. It's also in What Maybe Gone, Yeah,
which I watched the other night because I'm sick, and
that is a very strange way to be home set. Yeah. No,
it's also it's like not representative of anything I've ever experienced. Really,

(03:50):
most movies about the area we're from do not represent
anything I've ever seen happen. Yeah, and this I feel
like this is maybe the most famous one right, Like
it's like can to the national stage. It's huge. I
didn't realize that. I mean that was like one of

(04:10):
those places where like surely they have to have these
everywhere everywhere. Yeah, I mean even though their food, yeah, sure,
their food tastes like fucking chemicals. I don't care. It's
made to be in hospitals. I feel like, you know,
I mean like it's made to be like when you're
like grieving, like the fact that like you're closest family
member is probably gonna pass away in a few days,

(04:30):
and your best mealmen. No, but it's like you gotta
go down, you know, to the hospital lobby. You take
a rite and there's the aubon pan next to the flowers. Yeah,
I like to I like to get a huge ladle
of broccoli jetta soup. Wow, and yeah, just like pour
it down my throat. Yeah, I think that's never they
old lukewarm clam chowder. Get a nice funnel film, film

(04:56):
the film. I put the film on my face like
a face mask. Then like get a nice funnel right
down the gullet, poured the soup down, and I'm sucking
healthy and I'm sucking alive and I lived to tell
the So there's alban representation. We got pizza, coffee, and
of course we got dunks. So much Dunkin Donuts pizza

(05:17):
from Boston. I don't even think so, I don't know.
There's just a pizza that's like that was in Harvard Square, right,
that was the only one I was ever familiar with.
In bronckto Massachusetts. In at least the year I graduated
high school, there there were over fifty Duncan Donuts, which
is uh a lot. I mean, it's a pretty big city.

(05:38):
It's there's like like a hundred two people who live there,
but there's no need for fifty Duncan Dnuts. But none
of them are ever going to go out of business.
I mean there's truly, I think, like in Dorchester, every
three blocks there's a Duncan Donuts, like you cannot, like truly,
it's illegal to be driving for more than ten minutes
and not have a dunkin Donuts in a ten minute

(05:59):
circle radius. I had my first ten is like exhausting
to think of driving too, it is, yeah, I mean
I and there's fortunately one around here, thank god. That
was I do whenever I get homesick, because I got
my mom gave me the sex talk in the parking
lot of a Dunking Donuts. And then she also interrogated
my first boyfriend after he broke up with me in

(06:21):
a Duncan donut dunk Donuts. Yeah, so you know, a
lot of a lot of milestones. There's history there, yes, texture,
there's layers. So google Hunting movie that was nominated and
one oscars what is your history? What this movie? Well,
I we we texted a little about what movie to

(06:41):
pick because I was I was having me. I was
spoiled for choice in so many ways. Uh movies, there's
a lot of them, you know what. And then I
just thought it would be really funny if we did this, um,
not realizing after that there is one woman character. I
guess I just forgot that part. Yeah. Yeah. I just

(07:05):
feel like it was always on like TBS or something like.
I just feel like it was like always on and around.
But I feel like, I really that's it, that's that
on that I feel like like when I got to college. Weirdly,
it was something that I would watch when I was homesick,

(07:26):
even though none of it was real, like none of
it was real or true to my life or my
experiences or the people that I knew or cared about,
or like the neighborhoods that I was in, but which
is crazy because you grew up very close to where
everything is pretty Yeah, for sure they're from Southie though,

(07:48):
but there are like neighborhoods I obviously recognize. But also
Bassett is very like um racist trying to find the
right terminal. But it's like Geograph, It's like it's like
very split up. And so it's like, I think, not,
you're not really going to go into neighborhoods where it's
like it's not people who look like you are people

(08:10):
who are your friends. So I was never really like
hanging out and like Southy or like Westy which is
West Rock Spurry or like you know or like certain
like all Stin or whatever. Like I wasn't really like
hanging out there but trying to get shot on by
my by school graduating class. They're listening to this podcast,

(08:32):
but yeah, I don't know, but like really it's something
that I just like watched a lot when I like,
it just gets chilly and I want to see fall leaves,
you know, sort of like drifting in the comment or whatever. Yeah,
mine was Mine is kind of similar. Like I just
think I don't remember the first time I've seen it.
I've definitely seen it a bunch. I've seen it in
chunks a bunch. I've definitely started it and not finished

(08:55):
it a bunch hundreds of times. Yeah, like I forgot
about the I forgot many drivers in this movie. Yes,
I constantly mixed up her and Andy McDowell, which is
sort of like my own personal journey that I need
to be working on in terms of like how I
support white women, but I would like always mix them up,

(09:16):
and only like very recently, like way too recently, did
I realize like, oh, these are very different women. There's
almost no overlap. I mean they look quite so I
was trying to shame and they're both like like like
fake demure. But yeah, I'd seen this movie a bunch.

(09:39):
It's like I feel like it is kind of like
there was a lot of people's introduction to Boston has
an idea, uh, and then there's so many and it's
like this, there are so many movies that you can
see like kind of pull direct influence of like oh,
we're just never going to set a movie that isn't
at Harvard or in Southey. Yes, and that's pretty much
been the case to this day because you've got your

(10:00):
little social network first twenty minutes. Uh, and then you've
got the town, the depoted, you got SATs smell most recently. Yeah,
and then there's I mean, everything that happens in Boston
happens in exactly two neighborhoods. Yeah, and that's it. Well,

(10:22):
that's also like very much like my experience as a
black person from Boston when I leave and people are like, ah,
you got the fucking accent, you know, And I'm like,
well no, but nobody talks like that. Actually, it's like
it's fully a dying accent. It is, and the only
people who talk like that are people like young people

(10:43):
don't even really talk like that, even if you're like
from Southie, unless unless you're like a little bit more
I think, like Western Mass my mom, I'm from Southern
mass and my mom has a very thick accent. But
there's I feel like most people our age or it
definitely in Barkton, we would actively untrained in ourselves from
having it entirely because I was by then I don't know.

(11:04):
Maybe this is partially because of like good will hunting
and that like ripple effect, but like I remember being
aware pretty young that it was an embarrassing way talk. Yes, yes, yes,
it's like fully like seeing socially by society is a
very ugly accent and it's not wrong. That's yet I
find it comforting to hear like hints of it in

(11:25):
people's voices sometimes. But yeah, I was like I feel
like by like second grade, even like I remember hearing
my mom like talk out loud to another parent and
being like, yeah, we can't. I can't be that. That
can't be my life. Caitlyn. Once your history with this
movie my history I saw so it came out in
ninety Okay, I saw it probably for the first time

(11:47):
in high school, so I'm guessing like two thousand three,
And then I did not watch it again because I
did not like it the first time, and I was like,
this is not my type of movie A powerful all
to say, I mean, brave, brave. Why isn't it your
type of movie? You know, I like a good romp
and this simply is not a wrong. This isn't what

(12:09):
are you talking about? This is one of the rompiest films.
How is this a wrong? Math is a wrong? And
he's m he's romping between his academic life, man, his
personal life. Boys boys, boys, Um, it's a romp of
the soul, spiritual romp romp. It's like there's like rompy parts.

(12:36):
There are parts of it that are rompy. I think,
I think there's even talks I do like that that's
a wrong scene, but that I wrote down. I was like,
could be cut movie would be no difference, but we
like that. It was like it was trying to say
something political its but it means nothing. There's so much
like a Matt Damon and Ben Affleck, who if you

(12:58):
didn't know, wrote this movie. There's so much like college
freshman like grandstanding, so many monologues and like I was,
I got exhausted, but then I found a second win.
It gives you a second win. That's what it does.
It really does. It's crazy. It's like it's not with

(13:18):
a three X structure, but like a seven. There's maybe
ten X in this movie. Some of the acts have
nothing to do with most of the movie. No, not
at all, and they and they won't like why why
is there a scene where Ben Affleck and Casey Affleck
talk about jerking off into a baseball glove for like
five minutes. It's funny. Does that help you know? Because

(13:42):
it's funny, well should be allowed to talk about. So actually,
this is what I'm here, Actually why I'm on your podcast.
I'm a sleeper agent for the Meninist movement UM and
boys should be able to be boys and talk about
drinking off and have fun to locker room top. You
didn't lock a room there. I this is I think

(14:05):
my favorite math movie. The math substitutes would show include
this was a pretty good movie to turn on during
a math substitute stand and deliver. I would say, is
math movies A Beautiful Mind? Hatiful Mind? Can suck it.
My mom loved the movie A Beautiful Mind and replay
it on. Like in our kitchen, we had the like

(14:26):
tiny TV that had the HS. Yeah, the kitchen TV
that we decided as like a global community or maybe
just as the nation that we would have that be
a kitchen TV. But it ours was way up on
the top shelf because it was like, well, then when
you're cooking or when you're sitting you can watch it,
so that made sense. But it was impossible to change

(14:49):
the tapes, like because it was so high up and
me and my mom were both very very small. Imagine
I'm even smaller because I'm a child, if you can
fully imagine it. So I would like have to climb
up on the table and then like hook myself onto
the shelf and then sort of like myself and then

(15:11):
I would come back down, and then I would like
go back up and grab it out and then go
back out and pull it in. It's crazy. No one
took me, but Beautiful Mind got stuck up there for months,
months because I was like, I'm tired of like risking
my life to change different out of the Yes, Cinderella's

(15:32):
story was in there for a hot sect too. That's
I mean, prefer that to a beautiful prom that movie.
I actually think I've seen that movie over a hundred times.
We've been That's been requested a lot. Really, Yeah, that
was one of the ones that I was like, yeah,
back and forth between every movie that got stuck in
the kitchen. Honestly, Yes, just like what trauma can I

(15:53):
work through on a podcast? Please? And today it's Boston,
it's good Will hunting. Should I do the cap? Yeah? Sure. Yeah,
all this movie is two hours long and it does
feel so Yeah, it's crazy that shipp enup to Boston.
Is it fully in this movie? I know it's in
it's in The Departed, but I wish it was in

(16:13):
every Boston movie it has. This movie had less of
an aggressive soundtrack. It has the most gentle soundtrack. In
addition to putting a bon pant on the map, but
elliot freaking on the map every time Mini Driver is
on screen. This plane, it's like the insane. It's like
a connection. It's it's it's illegal. I I don't know

(16:37):
what I expect. I mean, I expected it to be
like a very like Boston yeah soundtrack, but no, it's
it's very it's opposite like this like quiet depressed man
from like Portland is like strumming. And they're like, yeah,
this sounds good. Um okay, here's the story of good
will hunting, which sounds to me like goodwill hunting. Good

(17:00):
will hunting. Anyway, So we're in Boston. There's there's an
m I T. Professor named Gerald Lambeau. That's Stelen's scar scard.
He puts this advanced equation on the chalkboard in the
halls of m I T hoping that one of the
students will solve it. At the end of this is

(17:23):
not at all distracting Pirts of the Caribbean and I
and unfortunately I can neither confirmed nor deny that. So okay,
So he has this equation on the on the on
the board. He's hoping one of the students will solve it.
By the end of the semester, we meet Will Hunting.

(17:45):
That's Matt Damon's character. He's a janitor and m I T.
And he sees the equation. He ponders it a bit,
and then he solves it. I think within the span
of a couple hours. This is like the most dangerous
like just that every like hot, irrationally angry guys also
secretly a genius, like I understand why this movie made
so much money, and also being hot is justification and

(18:10):
a genius is justification for being like unwell, yeah, addict
to everyone around him. Yes, So he solves it. The
professor and the students are like, oh my god, who
solved this? We don't know. Meanwhile, we know we know
who it is. Meanwhile, Will and his loser friends, who

(18:30):
played by Benefleck Casey Affleck and then some other dude
who I don't know if he even talks at all. Somebody.
They are hanging out, they're they're disrespecting women, they're getting
in fights, and then Will gets arrested for starting a
fight with someone who used to beat him up in kindergarten.

(18:52):
Kindergotten that guy used to beat me, having kid guy,
And then yeah, he's mad. He's met the faculty at
m I t puts another theorem on the board, and
then two professors catch Will solving this one too, but
he like runs away and he's like fuck you because
they're like, hey, you stupid janitor, get off the board, quick,

(19:16):
quick graffiti ing our math homework. There's where I have
to suspend my disbelief because I'm like, if, like, if
there was a sexy janitor wandering the halls of a college,
people would be noticing him, that would be wanting to know,
or it was a vall cell before we've been I'm like,

(19:36):
I feel like someone would have been like, who is
sexy janitor? Sure? I think it was pre internet. Yeah
that's true. Yeah this movie was made. Well have gotten hired,
and then he would have gone viral being hot and
he would have gone on to Ellen show, and then
Ellen would have been like, I got your money, and
he would have been like, oh money, and then quickly
done an equation and Ellen would have been like, wait

(19:57):
a minute, are you get a math? And that's how
this movie right? And then he looked like over a
year later, I think it's a season two of American Vandal.
There's like a hot janitor and everyone talks about like
everyone at the school knows about hot janitor. So yeah that, yeah,
this is this is pre done. Is their movie ideas busted?

(20:17):
Now that sucks? Okay, I hope you feel good about that.
Killed the pitch Okay, so sorry, Okay. So then Will
and his friends go to this Harvard ba and then
what they say and never heard that in my life.

(20:38):
I don't know what that means. Will basically has a
dick measuring contest, but like with his brain with this
Harvard boy with her, Yeah, it's a knowledge measuring contest.
It impresses Skyler, that's many driver, so much that she
gives Will Hunting her number. I Will say, Skyler has

(21:01):
a friend that's a woman, yes, but who is where
does she go? And what is her name? And does
she say anything. So he has his hearing from when
he got arrested a few days previous, and Professor Lambeau,
who's quoting books, he's quoting books, he's defending himself. He's like,
I don't books, you know. My boys in the court

(21:23):
a lot. And so Professor Lambeau, who has figured out
who Will is at this point, convinces the judge to
let Will go on two conditions. One that Will meets
with this professor wants a week to do math stuff,
and two that Will see a therapist. Right. Love that.

(21:44):
So they go to trying to find a therapist who's
gonna work for Will hunting. But he's not taking it serious. Joke, yes,
the montage that's too long. Yeah. So then Professor Lambeau
recruits his old old college roommate Sean McGuire, that is
Robin Williams, who does not know what accent he's supposed

(22:06):
to be doing. He is lost. He's supposed to be
from South Yeah, he's supposed to have the same which
I like Robin will he was a great actor. I
don't very Yeah, don't jump into my mentions about like, oh,
dare you dump on a dead man? I'm like I
do that every day. But there, but like it's so

(22:26):
weird to be that, Like, why didn't he just try
to do the accent that Matt Davie was doing. They're
supposed to be from the same exacut I'll say, I'll
say this, not all dialect coaches are made equal. So
we don't know what went beyond the scenes. I mean
he does some great Shakespearean lengthy manolone. Yeah, very good soliloquies.

(22:49):
His his wife she is dead, His wife, she is dead. Yes,
we know we learned this over and and guess what
we have a question about. This is life done. But
here's the thing. But it was all worth it, and
he loved her. That's so true, Like it was worth it.
It was all worth it. I love how that is
a central question of his Like do you think it

(23:11):
was worth getting married if your wife died of cancer?
Do you regret marrying her? True? Like, oh, like you
can be a grown man and have the emotional maturity
of the bag of like tostitos as we see goodwill
Hunting have. So he's going to send the title. So
he's so good, So Sean McGuire is He's not like

(23:36):
the other therapist. It's not like the upper therapist. He
assaults his clients during the violence, and he grabs him
by the neck. And we can just sort of like
put a pen in violence in this movie because it's
one that needs to be pinned. It is everywhere. Yes,
and he's like, you know what, Will, You think you're
so smart because you read a couple of books, but

(23:58):
you're just a cute doesn't know anything about love or
how to fuck goods. So you need to open up
your feelings. So now the ball's and Will's court. You know,
his approach is all over the place. It involves violence,
it involves verbal harassment. Yeah, yeah, it involves off hours meetings,

(24:20):
going to the park, close into my friendships. Well, if
you're a good therapist, then it won't work a bad therapist,
I think we all learned. Yeah, that's important. Um So
then Will goes out with Skyler finally, and then he
also keeps going to Robin Williams's character for therapy and
he refuses to talk at first. Will does and so

(24:42):
progress is slow, but he starts to get through. He's
starting to make some breakthroughs. He's starting to get some
job offers because he's doing all this math and he's
really good trying to get him a job, yeah, kind
of trying to like steal his shine a little bit.
He's got that weird mentor really issuer ship where he's like,
I'm helping you, but I also want to be You're Yeah,

(25:06):
a good stealing performance and then things start to fall
apart where he gets in a fight with Skyler. He
tells her he doesn't love her because he's afraid of
love and he's afraid of feeling still, and then she
moves to California for med school. Will and Professor Lambeau
getting a fight because Will doesn't really care about all
this math stuff and having a job and everything like that,

(25:30):
and you know, Lambeau thinks he's throwing his life away.
Ben Affleck is like, dude, get your ship together. That's
a good speech one where he's like, you gotta get
out of here. He's like, my favorite part of the
day is is that when I think you might not
be home, because you know, it's like literally beautiful. You're laughing,

(25:51):
but it's beautiful and it comes back at the end,
and it is a good actor. He's a damage math.
He is a good actor. He's canceled, right, He's been
really creepy with a bunch of like I can't get
interviewers and stuff. Okay, I don't. I don't know. I
thought that Matt Damon, like there is some weird ship
with you. I don't, I don't, I think, I mean everything.
It seems like everyone in this movie is canceled of

(26:14):
the of the Boston bro friends. I mean especially I know,
I know the story Yams, there's there's there's definitely some
history that's not very good. Okay, yes, indeed for for

(26:36):
both of them, they're for everyone, for literally everyone except
Robert Williams. We hope we that we know I write.
No one is saving anyway. So so Will's fighting with everyone.
He and Robin Williams getting a fight because you know,
Will Hunting is being a dick as per usual. But
then Robin Williams is like, Will, you you're intimacy issues,

(26:59):
you're abandonment, she is, it's not your fault. And then
Well cries and he realizes that it's okay to have feelings.
Sometimes it's okay to not be okay. Sometimes when you cry,
it's actually awesome. It's actually a good thing. This is
this is like Will hunting a part of the movie
that I like where it kind of veers into that
like rare dad tear jerk or genre. I like Dad's

(27:20):
Ee that movie. They're like, yeah, I like crying. I
think Dad's for men to cry. I was joking earlier,
but now I'm serious. I really am here for the
men in this cause I believe that men should be
able to have movies for them that are like this
because they don't. I don't disagree, I do like I mean,

(27:40):
I'm just like, man, this is sort of a story
of a man learning to understand and like be able
to talk to other men about it. I think that's nice.
You did you sort of? I mean, the movie is
horribly paced anyway, and so the end really just sort
of does come at you like a freaking whirlwinds. But
unlessen I don't want to, I don't want to cut

(28:02):
your recap off. Go for it. We missed the well
maybe we'll get into what we talk about mini. But
when they start fighting, oh yeah, we'll talk all about that. Okay,
don't you worry. So Wills like, oh my god, I
it's okay to have feelings. Then he gets a job
so that he can get his life on track. But
then he writes a nut. Then he writes a nut

(28:23):
to Robin Williams, and he's like, screw the job, I
gotta go see about a girl, which is the thing
that Robin Williams said to him about him a baseball game.
And then he dropped and Will drives to California to
be with Skylar because she has moved there for med school.
That's the end in the movie. We got to take

(28:43):
a quick break and then we'll come back to discuss. Hey,
welcome back. Hey, we're back. We're back. My exit gets
worse than worse every time. Back on the back. I
hope that I can be discovered as like a comedian

(29:05):
or screenwriter, the way that Will is discovered as a
math genius in this movie, where it's just like I'm
writing a joke on a chalkboard and then someone walks
up and they're like, oh my fucking god, this is
the greatest joke I've ever seen, and then you run
away like you and then they find me and I'm like, okay, fine,
I'll be a comedian. Those are my hopes and dreams.

(29:26):
Um so good Will hunting, Yes, listen the movie says
he's good. He's good. He is. The movie says he's good.
The movie says, so, Matt Damon and Matt Affleck both.
I'm so that was really disrespectful. Literally, that was a
ra They won an Oscar for writing. They did. Robert

(29:47):
Williams won an Oscar for acting. He deserved it. There.
I like he did, he did, he did, and that
his monologues are great. He's so good. His dialect coach
should be he's doing the correct accent. I would say
about thirty percent of the time when he gets that
thirty when he gets it right. Um. Something that I

(30:10):
do want to say about them winning the writing Oscar
is that they are the youngest Oscar winners for writing. However,
I think a lot of people don't know this. The
movie was like heavily ghost written, Like they wrote a
draft and it was horrible and they're taking it around
and then a much more experienced screenwriter who refuses to

(30:34):
take credit. They went, wait just because it's embarrassing or
I don't know why he won't take credit. I think
because he was like, um, I think it's William Goldman.
He wrote Butch Cassidy and the sec Kid and Princess Bride. Yeah,
and he was like their script doctor, and basically he

(30:56):
there's like a thing where some somebody was like or
like I guess like reportedly once was like, I wasn't
a script doctor. I rewrote the entire thing from scratch,
and then people were like, is that for real? And
he was like, uh no, I don't want to talk
about it. So I don't know why, like what it
was about it, but basically he fixed the script and
then made it active. I mean, I feel like that

(31:18):
happens quite a bit in Hollywood, where like there's just
a million people. Yeah, I mean yeah, but there's like
and the only the reason I'm inclined to believe that
because I don't want to negar boys or don't we
don't want to negar boys that may or may not
be canceled, I forget. Honestly, the reason I'm inclined to
believe that someone else wrote this movie basically is because
neither of them really go on to ever write anything

(31:40):
ever again. Yeah, so you would think if they were
good writers that I think Rob Reiner was like originally
attached to direct it or something, or he knew them
and like the script and so he's the reason why
William Goldman was like, I'll take a look at this,
so it really I don't also know like where they
were in their careers where it was just like everybody

(32:01):
thought that they were awesome. They had both done a
couple things, but I think this movie really jump started
them as like movie stars. This was like post Chasing
Amy though, right, yeah, but those were pretty you know.
That's like when it's like he's getting but he's like
getting buzz and it's probably like he's like he's schmuzen.
He's at these Hollywood parties, he's pool side, he's kicking it,

(32:23):
he's meeting people, and he's like, I'm just a guy
from Boston and everybody's like, that's what we do every weekend.
Every weekend. I'm still at the pool side waiting for
Rob Ryder to show up. Hasn't been there in years,
but I'm there case he's gonna get a little hot.
I'm going to do a movie. It's called Good I
Hunting and it's about me and I'm a perverted, abusive cook.

(32:49):
Yeah I see, I mean Harvard and guess what I
can read. But one thinks I can read and it's
good you're good because it says because it's in the
title um. And also it kind of sounds like maybe
it could mean something or be a sentence, but it's not.

(33:09):
It's just my name. Surprise. I really thought this movie
was about like hunting for goodwill, like the like the
goodwill and people, and I did not realize that Will
hunting is the name of the character. And do you
get that it's such a clever turn of work. You
should read the screenplay I wrote. It's about um World

(33:32):
War two, and the main character's name is Shoot Gun
And it's really sort of subversive um in the way
that you wouldn't expect because because you hear the name
shoot and you're like, oh, Shoot, I know tons of
guys name Shoot and also tons of people with the
last name Gun. But then you look at the movie

(33:52):
overall and it's like, wait a minute, Oh, what's happening.
We are shooting? Thank you? And oh my god, sorry
that's a little advanced. It's a little bit of screening training.
But then that's really the twist at the end of
the movie. Yeah, is that actually the gun shoots itself.

(34:12):
It's really good and it's coming out. It's a comment
it's something. Yeah, it's so good at Bill hunting. Oh
that wasn't directly connected to that weird or that your transition.
I'm so sorry your choice. So what So let's talk
about the one woman character in the movie who is

(34:33):
alive the point of the podcast. Yeah. Yeah, so we've
got we've got Skyla. We've got Skyla to have it.
She's British. Yeah, we love that. We know that she is, like,
I think, a fourth year undergrad Harvard student. She's she's
a woman instant about to she's hot. That's important. It's

(34:54):
so rare for women, a woman in a movie who
is hot, It's right, never heard of it. So she
she's she meets sexy Janda. Yeah. I like how that
that whole scene is. Ben Affleck's character goes up to
hit on mini driver and her friend, and then the

(35:14):
smart guy, like the Harvard guy, comes over. Has a ponytail. Yea,
he fully has adult blondmaile adult don't trust him and
don't trust him, do not trust him, flesh color hair
is scary, but he so, so he comes over and
then it turns into this where I think it's supposed
to be this weird class war that's going on where

(35:35):
they're like, oh, so fucking poor guy can't just go
and harass women at the BA. But but smart guys
kid And then it was like no, no, no again,
but that's not that. This is America. Poor guys should
be able to hit on a fucking woman, and so
should smart guy. If I want to fucking harass a
woman in the fucking street, whether I'm poor or rich,

(35:55):
I should be able to do it. This is what
afula fathers died. And then like, none of don't ask
her what she wants to say. Had a dream that
one day, regardless of color or cream, any man could
harass a woman if he wanted to. No, no, no,
I don't want to hear what you have to say
about because I got it. Do you want to take
this outside? So here's what drove me crazy about this scene.

(36:22):
So he's, you know, he will is like quoting books.
He's like, you know, flexing his his knowledge brain and
think your brain. Of all the people who are around
Skyler in this moment, she is impressed by goodwill hunting.
She's also not speaking from right. Women don't have I

(36:45):
never talked. Actually, Sys actually has a podcast, so she
gets her time and what she needs to and then
she goes over to him forty five minutes later, and
she's like, you're an idiot. I was waiting for forty
five minutes for you to come talk to me, because
you know, when you're hot and you go to Harvard
and you're beautiful at your pre bed and you wait

(37:07):
outside bars for almost an hour to talk to an
evil man and he has no less than forty holes
in his shirt in this scene. Yeah, we know that
he has other clothes that don't have holes in them,
Like why did he why? Anyway this? I mean, women
are conditioned to like wait passively for a man to

(37:30):
pursue them, especially in you know, like she does eventually
go up to him. It's crazy than me that she's
like waiting there for forty five minutes for him to
talk to her. I think that that's just as like, oh,
this screenplay was written by a bunch of dudes, and
that's like not that's since they're like, oh, that's women
to think of this all the time. When I'm at
the butt, they're just sitting there being like I wish

(37:52):
and then I just you know, I didn't think she
was hot, so I didn't go out there, you know,
it's just like that's just like stupid writing. Yeah. Um,
So then she approaches him, So I guess it's like
good that we don't see a guy like aggressively wearing
her down. That comes later. That's only when they're in

(38:13):
does he start to become abusive, because she does. She
does initiate a lot of stuff in the early half
of their relationship. She like suggests the first kiss, I
thought their date was really cute. I didn't hate it.
I liked like the beginning of their relationship. I thought
it was very she she tells a great jokes, that
weird joke about a mouthful come. Yeah, I really, I

(38:35):
mean it's weird. I thought the relationship was very cute
at the beginning. It was nice, and I like I
like her character too, Like I think she seems more
well rounded than a lot of like romantic interest women
in movies, especially at this time. She doesn't do like
she doesn't drop everything the second she meets it, Like
you know, she's like she's still doing her whatever. It's

(38:57):
senior year. Yeah, she's having fun. She did her work.
She still want to do her work, but she wants
to have fun with a cute janitor. Yeah, we've all
been there. We've all been there, We've all wanted to
funk a hot janitor. And if you think you haven't,
check again. You just didn't know that he was a custodian.
I'm willing to spread that rumor about Boston. It's like
it's a read a passage that you're gonna suck a janitor.

(39:18):
He's going to be a genius. He's going to be
emotionally abusive to you. I cannot watch any more movies
about like a tortured white man who's also a genius. Yeah,
he has to be redeem Metrograph, New York City. You
know what's up on on a seven day marathon of

(39:41):
movies where white men are tortured geniuses and it's okay
because they're smart. Uh. And then as it pertains to
her character, Will starts to talk about her in therapy
and he's like, she's beautiful, she's fun, she's intelligent. Like
so he, you know, values her for things beyond her

(40:02):
her beauty. Yeah. But then the like subtext of him
saying that that, I was like, oh man, but it
is in the world of this movie. I'm like yeah,
of course they would say that. But he's sort of like,
I feel like part of what you're saying. There's like
she's got this British accent, and all the women around
me sound fucking girls. And well he does say like

(40:22):
she's different from all the most of the girls I've
been with, which is like, she's not like the other girls.
She's the salthy girls are made out to be like dumb,
like late ninety like it's just like total there's some
like yeah, there's a lot of like weird like classist,
like if you're like working class or from a particular neighborhood,

(40:44):
you're automatically like a fucking idiot. And then if yeah,
but um so, then he says to Robin Williams, He's like, oh,
I don't know if I'm going to go out with
her again, because like, what if I realized she's not
that smart and she's fucking boring. And this is him
like not processing his feelings, which like he learns to
do later, sort of what if she's like actually a

(41:06):
little actually not that cute? What about that? And then
this is when things fall apart in their relationship for me,
when he starts to do her homework for her, so
that like she has time to hang out with him.
She's like, I got to learn this stuff, Like you
can do my homework for me, Like it's a red flag.
You're right, yeah, I mean I would accept that if

(41:29):
I was dating a math okay to be fair, senior
in high school, dated a guy who was really good
at math, and I did let him do my homework
once or twice. Oh my god, she's canceled. But her
thing is like she keeps being like, I need to
learn this. I'm going to medical school. I need to
know how to do this stuff. I was going to

(41:50):
dog school, dog University. Yeah, it's incredible. But he keeps like,
you know, exerting his fucking brains power over her. And
then and then it's the whole thing where she's like,
moved to California with me, I love you, and he's like, well,

(42:10):
I don't love you, and it's just because he doesn't
know how to do his feelings yet. That so yeah,
the context said that is that he had lied to her.
He said he had twelve brothers and he had like Mikey, Tommy, Baby, Joli, Rabbie, Brian, Johnny, Mickey, Terry,
Jimmy Johny. I did like that they I think that
they left that shot on Matt Damon so he would
have to say it twice in a row, and he did.

(42:33):
He earned that nomination. He didn't learn, he said, Mike.
But uh so she finds out that he had lied
about that, that he was in the foster system for
a long time, had an abusive father in the foster system.
We also learned the first thing we know about Mini
Driver in a long time in this because in most

(42:54):
scenes of them together, she's like so weird, like what
is your deal? Like what is he doing? Like you
so good at math, but like what are you? You know?
And he never was hunting for and he never asked
her about herself, so we don't find out really anything
about other than like where she goes to school, and

(43:15):
like we know a fair amount. But we find out
and I think we don't learn about this before. But
in that scene where the fight, she's like, well, my
like the only reason that we find out she's rich,
which we didn't technically know. We could have guessed, but
what we find out and he's like, oh, you're gonna
go with all the other fucking trust fund kids, which
I've yelled at someone before and then they but then

(43:35):
she's like, well, the only reason I have so much
money is because my father passed away when I was thirteen,
and he was like, whoa where did he not know that?
He's never asked her anything about herself. Holding her up,
he shoves her against a wall and then like slams
his hands around next to her. Very scary it is. Yeah,

(43:58):
she's she's me and drivers really good in that scene though,
She's like she's so scared and heartbroken and crying, and
I was like, oh, I kind of liked that scene.
Not dating in real life, Oh you love when women
get hurt. Okay, yeah, breaking news on the best Jesus lord,
I'm taking over. I'm bringing movies for boys. Or they're

(44:19):
kind to each other, um no, but it's really scared.
But also they were dating in real life at the
time of like making the movie and then doing press,
and then they broke up. Interesting, so you know that's
they'll make for some good act not that chemistry. And
then the way their relationship and the movie basically ends

(44:39):
is that he gives up everything that he's been working towards,
basically to move across the country to be with her.
Without telling her or calling her, he just drives straight
to California. Also has barely apologized to her for how
horrible he was. Has not he has he plans on
showing up, yeah, which is like now textbook, do not

(45:02):
do scary no, no more, just showing up please. But
there there's like yeah, he tries to call her and
then he gets he's like chicken ship and hangs up
and then just decides he's going to uproot his entire
life and come to her. And then she's like, I'm
about to leave. I love you, and he's like, okay,
take care. But like, but it's good because Ben Affleck

(45:23):
is happy. Right. That is such a weird and that's
how movie is good. Yeah. So actually if Ben haff
like smile at the end or like it was forgiven right,
the takeaway the argo that Affleck is happy at that
bad movie, gone girl at the whole movie, and so

(45:45):
thats a movie bad, very puffy, gone girl baby, gone
gone girl baby, where's that movie mash up? Well, then
probably smiled because he was directing it. That's the greatest.
That's great. Smile as gifts Ben smile. But the takeaway
from this romantic relationship that we've seen unfold is basically like, oh,

(46:07):
you can treat women like ship as long as you
make this big quote romantic gesture and then all will
be forgiven. Which we have which, And it's also like
we don't. We also don't see how it goes. We
don't know, we can't. I hope that he gets there,
and she's just like, no, you should you have to
drive home a you know, I think it. I think

(46:28):
it has to go horribly also because it's like he
just has so much ship to figure out. But the
way that she has written, she's way too accommodating, and
the way that she has been written in this movie,
she'd be like, oh my god, will you do love me?
You've showing up your means you love me and we'll
be together forever, because that's how this movie understands women

(46:49):
to be. I don't disagree that it is too early
in their relationship for him to move across the country
to be with her. I also, and if I were
in his position, I would have been like, let's try
a long not I'm shoving you against a wall. And
there's I mean, there's like a lot of like they've
got that class tension going, which is like an interesting

(47:10):
there's like interesting elements to their relationship that ends up
kind of either being really like treated like very not
well by the movie or just end up kind of
disappearing after a while. Ye Sell, what's going on with
anybody got to answer me? Is selling? Okay? He does
at least get at least three or four several minute monologues.

(47:31):
I don't really know what he was saying in any
of them. He I like that the movie is like, oh,
and we also need to figure out our things okay
with Stelling and Robin, and we're just like I truly
could not care. Wait, oh my god, I forgot about that.
That whole plotline. There's like at least like fifteen minutes
devoted to like these college roommate is going to be
friends at the end of the day, You're like who

(47:53):
because there was like a whatever, yeah, oh my god, random, Yeah, okay,
awkward sauce. Random. There's also that whole long scene where
we referenced it earlier that Matt Damon turns down a
job at the n S. A ed gives a really
long monologue about how he disagrees with the n S
a yeah, sure, Like I you know, but why is

(48:18):
that there? There's a lot of scenes that could have
been cut. Part of the beauty of this movie is
almost none of it needs to be there. And I mean,
I don't I don't know. I think that at least,
like many drivers, character is like rooted in the story.
And but like she's kind of you could kind of
argue her character is kind of there to like prove

(48:39):
that he's quote unquote growing as a person, because his
journey to like being able to love her is like
kind of what all him and Robin Williams talk about.
Robin Williams, he's got major his wife trope syndrome. His
wife his wife is dead, which is in and that's

(48:59):
like and the something that we know kind of what
we love about him is that his wife is dead
and he can't shut up about it. All men have
dead lives. There's the meninistas bag. Actually not all men.
Did you know? You have aviator shades on a little

(49:19):
something about my boys there. But there's like it reminds
me of like Ed Harris and The Rock where the
whole like drive of this character is just like it's
not as good as Ed Harris screaming at his wife's tombstone,
and they're like, I loved you so fucking much. But
it's just probably is talking about, you know, feveral character

(49:40):
we never see. Even the only other female character in
this movie is dead. Yeah, yeah, yeah, pretty much. Well,
Many Driver's friend like is like she's an extra. She's
like extra thing. Come on, So I don't think I was.
Come on. She says, one thing that changed the movie.

(50:03):
I ripped open the spacetime conserum. She's like, yeah, girl,
you're like feminist text. We did it. Sorry, Actually, too
women talking this movie. So hunting go awful Hunting there's
it's yeah, it doesn't, it doesn't, it doesn't get there.
I I like it's too bad because I'd like the

(50:24):
first half of the movie. I like Many Drivers character,
and then I feel like they kind of sell her out.
She's as many female characters in many movies, she exists
to further characterize the male character. At last, she appears
she robs his wife on screen. She is allowed to
appear on the cutting room floor Vera for Mega as

(50:47):
a ghost as young hop ghost wife alright, because she's
she's a therapist and the departed. Her pulling over like
the white She's over her head being like, she's like,
why do you walking up out? She has the worst
Boston accent that I've ever heard in my life. And
it was something so easily in the script, scorse as

(51:07):
it could have been, like, you know what, actually, you
weren't born and raised in Boston. You came here from
California and you went to be you and you've been
here for fifteen years. Let's just say that. But she's like,
I'm born and raised in Boston, Massachusets like when she
truly and not even well, we got to take another

(51:32):
quick break, but then will come right back, well fucking
back back. The next thing that I think we should
talk about, what should we talk about? Let's talk about
a lot of solos in this movie should be mentioned,

(51:52):
should be mentioned, our sort of shared history. Yes, let's
bring it up. I mean, Jamie and I both notorious
known in several circles, famously in a large way, played
the elbow in high school. And I think it shows, honestly,
which is crazy giving off major obo vibes. Do you
you still have do you still have yours? It's back

(52:14):
home in Boston. I've got I brought mine here just
in case you never never know, but like, okay, when
you hear the obo in movies, or you're like, I'm like,
well that's me, you know, or I'm like, oh, I
basically did that. Visibility is so important, so important. I
feel more during an oboe solo in any movie than

(52:37):
I did during any part of Black Panther. Incredible. And
there's a character name I am in the movie and
I was like, which was right now? I wish the
character was an obo on screen, was a talking elbow,
and I would have done it. So one thing that
I think to give this movie some credit, Yes, I

(52:58):
do appreciate that it is largely about a man recognizing
that another man needs therapy, and then that man going
to therapy, and then eventually embracing it and then like
realizing that it's actually healthy and perhaps good to hunting

(53:20):
to hunting. Yes, so I don't think there are many
movies like that. The fact that this is a pretty
well known, mainstream movie I think is good for that reason.
I think the characters are still fairly toxic even after
they've been through therapy. The way they get there is,

(53:43):
you know, there's some bumps in the road. The way
they get there, but I I yeah, I think like
generally it's it is like it's like that dad, like
that dad crying genre like forgiveness, men forgiving each other
porn for for Dad's that they're like, oh shit, like
I wish i've I could do that, but at least
fucking mad Dammon did. Yeah. And I've said it before,

(54:05):
I'll say it again. Toxic masculinity stems largely from Okay, sorry,
I know I'm in the presence of a meninist. I
just stood up. What the fun is going on here? Here?
A good will hunting bad in the ugly shirt. Um.

(54:29):
The toxic masculinity stems at least in part from men
not embracing their emotions or knowing how to process them.
So a movie that encourages that is a good thing,
because if we're going to dismantle the patriarchy, we need
the cooperation of men, and they're not going to do
that unless they can talk about their feelings. So that

(54:53):
was my my good Will Hunting monologue. Thank you so much.
I hear you, I hear you, and I think that
that's really important. I feel like and all my boys
listening to this, pot you know what I'm talking about
when you want to cry but you can't, so you
just drink seven Monster Energy drinks in one Mountain dew
Code orange, and then I have feels. It feels like

(55:15):
a feeling. So so I hear you, but I counter that,
and I'm actually right a movie about that. I can't wait.
Lucas Hedges plays the mountain dew Code orange, so it's
gonna be good. It's gonna be good. Miles Teller is attached. Yeah,

(55:37):
so much stays in place. The sun great. So the
climax of the movie is smile so shoots himself into
the sun. So it's the sun is so the World

(55:57):
War two script that previously wrote and that will be
coming out. This is actually um the way that the
Avatar movies shout up boys um sort of like span
several generations. That is what my movie about shoot Guard
his family's legacy will also do. So it's kind of
a cinematic universe. Well I would say exactly that actually,

(56:21):
So thank you for seeing it, love it? Thank you. Yeah.
I mean any movie where a man goes into therapy
and it and it and it works out for him,
I feel like it's like almost like the the like goofy,
Like they're like, listen, if you want, if you want
like the pussy in your life to cooperate with you,
you just gotta go to therapy. And that is, like,

(56:43):
you know, not not the best message, but I feel
like if you're trying to appeal to men who are
completely not open to therapy at all and are completely
closed up the promise of sex at the end of
the therapy road, I'm willing to tell that lie. I'm
willing to prepare to write that lie is that sometimes
it does work, though I mean many many driver even

(57:06):
tries it. She's like, I'm not going to have sex
with you again until you like introduce me to your
friends and family. Basically like, unless you open up to
me in some way, I'm going to withhold sex. I
mean I've been there, I'm there right now. I'm still
doing the sex strike. Yeah, I'm still doing the sex strike. Yeah,

(57:27):
it's actually really awesome. I'm actually doing it because I'm
a menentist. And then the way mental health is treated
in this movie is kind of all over the place
where you mean, doesn't your therapists throttle your throat whenever
you challenge your therapists talk about themselves from justice every

(57:50):
single what if you had a therapist? I was like,
I don't know, he like talks about his dead wife
most of the time he's helping me. Well, they're of
those few different moments where like the therapist montage when
he's trying instead of like a dress trying on montage
where we see in every movie about a woman. Instead
we see a therapist trying on montage with goodwill hunting.

(58:13):
But he's trying on different therapists. One of them calls.
He's like, I can't do this. This guy is a
raving lunatic, which is like not how well, the reason
he does that is because of like a weird, bad
gay joke that was written where Matt Damon is like, now,
isn't I don't hate gay people? But I can I've
clocked you, and you're like, I have a whole list

(58:33):
of problematic things like that That gets said, But like,
no therapist is going to be like, oh, I can't
help this person. They're a raving lunatic. It's like, you
only help normal people. How dare you bring somebody sick
in of my off? Get out? Get out? It's like
the medical diagnosis that the psychiatrist gives in the movie
Halloween where he's like he's pure evil. It's like, this

(58:56):
is not how medicine and mental health work. But um, yeah, okay,
here's my list of seven creepy, problematic stuff that is
said by straight white men. And uh, the R word.
The R word gets said several times. Um Stelen's Scars

(59:19):
guard asks one of his female students if she would
like to have a drink with him. A woman, Oh yeah,
it's fine. Robin Williams says to his class full of
students who are wanting to become therapists, quote, if your
clients don't trust you, you'll never get them to sleep
with you. And that should be the goal of any
good therapist. Nail them while they're vulnerable. That's my motto.

(59:42):
And then everyone laughs. And in the movie it's framed
was like he's trying to get their attention again because
they're like falling asleep. But like, don't make that joke
to students. Bunker Bunker Hill, So I like, that's actually
kind of near where I loved Okay, it's kind in
high school. It's all right. Will calls Skylar but doesn't

(01:00:04):
say anything on the phone, and then she says, Professor Valenti,
are you trying to call me again? So apparently there
are several different professors in this movie who are harassing
young women, hereditary professors, um Stale, syd Robin Williams are
talking about an Indian man and they say they make
that awful joke which is still being used by comedians today,

(01:00:27):
uh Indian dot not feather. A few more, Robin Williames
is talking about having a lottery ticket that will cover
his tab at a bar, and then he says, Oh,
it might not cover my tab, but it will cover
your sex change operation. Why would he say that? Why
is that a line of dialogue? Give them the trophy?

(01:00:48):
And then finally, because even though this movie is about
you know, like men coming to terms with their feelings
and learning how to process them, Will and his therapist
hug at the end, and then Will Hunting says, does
this violate the doctor patient relationship? And Robin Williams says no,
only if you grab my ass, which like, okay, you

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ruined a nice moment anyway. So that was my list
of why was this written into the movie. Well, I
mean that's like so much of the movie really specific
of you to have a list. I I think that
it is. This movie, as far as I know, it

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is not like as popular as it once was. I
don't think people really go other than people from Boston
are homesick and want to see a version of where
they grew up that never existed. Uh, it doesn't seem
like it's really endured. Like I don't think teenagers are
watching Good Times. I don't know. I don't think so.
But it did like propel those two guys to like start,

(01:01:55):
We're stuck with them, for sure, we're stuck with them. Um.
But yeah, So those are kind of all my thoughts
on the movie. Anyone else have any final thoughts. I
think that Matt Damon is using most of the janitorial
supplies incorrectly. The way he holds a broom, I don't
think it's correct. The way he is mopping as someone

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who's mopped a lot of mops, Yeah, he's a bad mopper. Well. Also,
clearly everyone who wrote this movie has never been to
therapy either, Like, never been to therapy college, I had
a job a bar. There's lots of experience and healthy
relationship not been had. But we're written by in this movie. Um. Yes.

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My final thought, um, ghost socks, they're oh ship the
person I love, I love and bruins. I respect the socks,
of course, but I did think it gets a little
bit crowdy. I'm all about the pats your pets. I'm
a patsy, a pantsy. Go oh cool. I love bruins,
I love a fucking Joe Thornton and in all of

(01:03:04):
his who Celtics go ahead. Speaking of talking about man,
does this movie pass the Bechdel test? Yeah? Um, okay,
let's see. We have a scene with two women, Mini
Driver and Robin Williams's wife's ghosts played by Vera Farmega,

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and the and the scene where they talk about bomp
and they talk about Mini's medical career and how proud
Vera Farmega is of many drivers. Is um a decision
to go to California. This is after the breakup with
will Um and she's having a really hard time and

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her best friend, who's a ghost, comforts her and it's like,
I'm really proud of you, and she's like thank you,
and then she's like what got you interested in medicine?
And then Mini tells her and they hug and and
they're like I'm going to get each other. It's really good. Yeah,
I know, I love yeah, because we remember that's a

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great senior. Remember. Let me ask a question. Does it
pass the Bechto tests? Yes? If? Yeah, because if Ben
Affleck's first words in the movie are screaming at a
woman across the bar, Kathy, why didn't you give me
none of that nasty COUCHI wouchi you usually throw at me?
Does that pass the Bechto tests? Yes? Oh yeah, yeah

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I thought she claps back. Yeah, uh feminist win. She
says fuck you and you're tout real dick. I guess
she is. The other named female characters. Matt Damon says
like hi, Kristen or something like that to a woman
at the bar. But yeah, these are very tertiary characters

(01:04:50):
this movie was producing. That's how you see women in
film as tertiary characters. And I feel bad then, I
really just then it's that's a lot. I'm the meninace now.
Also very famously a Weinstein Brothers joint. We've covered a
lot of Weinstein max uh ten million dollar budget, two

(01:05:10):
million people love this movie, A hundred million tickets ticket.
I used to be a trust fund baby, but I
blew it on hunting tickets in theaters. Theaters. Okay, let's
rate the movie in our nipples scale. Yeah, alright, so

(01:05:31):
five five nipples a great portrayal of women, feminist win yes,
zero nipples bad bad bad bad will hunting bad villion.
I'm going to give this, I guess one nipple because
I do like Mini Driver's character. I do like that
we get to know a little bit about her. She
seems like a fairly okay she seems she seems okay

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at first, and then the movie does sell her out
and she can. She starts being treated very badly by
the man that she loves, but it's fine because he
drives across the country without letting her know, so that
doesn't bode well. I do appreciate that the movie is
about a man's like emotional journey, and even though he

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still ends up being pretty toxic by the end, he's
demonstrated at least some emotional growth. And I and for
nine seven, I think that was pretty ground break. Yes, yes,
truly like a man going to therapy in a movie
in the ye. Clearly people found it very brave, and

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although like I said, I just simply do not have
the patients for stories about mediocre white men who are
actually also geniuses don't care. So yeah, I'm gonna, I mean,
one nipple sounds like too much, I'm gonna go down
to a half nipple. And I'm going to give it
to Kathy for not giving her Couchi wouchi to nasty

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and also Kathy, in her defense for visibility of nasty
couchi Wochi does not say no, no, no, my kuchi
wuchi is not nasty. She maybe is like, yeah it is,
and I'm fine with that and I'm fucking proud, and
I was like, my name is Kathy, and like, couchi
wich is absolutely disgusting. Feminism is the law now, um

(01:07:31):
so so I will. I will give this a one.
I think I like Minny Driver's character for most of it.
Like you're saying, I hope for better for her in
the future, Um, when Matt Damon is going the hell
off about like yeah, and then then the future you're
gonna marry some other guy. Are you gonna talk about

(01:07:51):
how you fuck the janitor once? And I'm like, honestly,
I hope that that's what happens for her. I hope
she moves on quickly and she finds a different kind
of douche bag at Stanford. You know, there's plenty of
plenty out there to a whole different genre. Yeah, Like
it's it seems like it's like the token female character
in the all male movie, but you know Matt Damon

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goes to therapy. Uh, and it is I Like I
feel like it's just like indicates that's like, oh, we
need more like dad cry movies. It is like I
feel like dads get a release out of this. That
that is like maybe why the movie has even remotely
endured other than like Boston and men can cry during
the movie and people like me who are horny for

(01:08:34):
horrible bos there and but it's like you get there,
there is like value to it with with that. Uh
so you know, maybe just a better, better version of
a movie that that your dad can feel comfortable crying
too and think about all his regret. I'm like, I
was like, if my dad was watching this movie, he
would be thinking about his regrets the entire movie, and uh,

(01:08:59):
you know he needs he needs to be doing that.
So it's really all guy. Yeah, but for this is
not this is not I'll say it, it's not a
feminist text. But you know what, I'll say it. I agree,
I'll give it one nasty COUCHI WOUCHI and I'm I'm
also going to give it to Kathy Great. Yeah, how

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you feel. Um, this is tricky, this is tough. This
is score that I give in no way reflects my
beliefs on the meninist community, to which I am deeply connected. Um, however,
it's not very it's not very kind to women. It's
not very kind of women at all. And poor Mini

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Driver's character really just suffers and suffers again. Um, she
just like loses any sense of character, which is a bummer,
even though Robin Williams's dead wife is probably one of
the most fleshed out characters, just because we know that
starring her sleep right, that is more we know. So
so you tell me, Um, we know a lot about

(01:10:06):
Cathy lady. Na Um, but I think, but they'll score.
Why I gotta give. I gotta go, I gotta go
point five? Yeah yeah, oh and that's again and all
the women get harassed. Wait, I gotta go. I think

(01:10:26):
I might go oh zero, Okay, I still will be
watching the movie. The thing is, I get clear, I'm
addicted to that movie. I just know everything that happens
that it feels good to watch. That's the point of
the podcast. You're still allowed to love the things you love,
even if they're you know, bad will Hunting. But you know,

(01:10:49):
we just encourage people to examine the media critically that
they consume that feels good. I'm gonna go home and
watch it, but I'm going to be playing it on
mute and on surround sound. I'm going to be playing
Chris Brown and R. Kelly Sons at the same time
on full blasts until my ears bleed. And so knowing
that I have the safety to do that makes me
feel really kind of like a Wizard of a Dark

(01:11:11):
Side of the Moon. And that's exactly but with Hunting
and um An, R Kelly Chris Brown collab right right, right, yeah, yeah,
all right, this is a safe space. Well I oh,
thank you so much for being here. Do you want
to come over to do that with you? To watch? Yeah,
I'll be there, yeah, okay, obviously anytime you seem like
you're sitting in your seat still, oh, here we go

(01:11:34):
here company, Yeah, okay, cool, Just of the plot. I
just want to make sure I think this could be
a really fun, cool idea. Okay, all right, I'll just
like hell first, I'll just meet you guys in my
place before you do that. Plug your stuff though. People
find you online. Um you can find me on Instagram
and Twitter. Is just my name A y O E

(01:11:54):
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Might be coming out with a pot of my own s,
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(01:12:39):
thanks for listening, Jamie. Yeah, how do you like them apples?
Get the funk out of here, ship, all right, I
gotta take my nasty couci wuchi back on home. Okay,
bye bye