Jurassic Park with Steven Ray Morris

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
On the Bedel Cast, the questions asked if movies have
women in them, are all their discussions just boyfriends and husbands,
or do they have in individualism the patriarchy? Zef in
best start changing it with the Bechdel Cast. Hello, and
welcome to the Bechtel Cast. My name is Caitlin and
you have a mouthful of seven. Welcome to the show.

(00:26):
Welcome to the show. We have a podcast about the
portrayal of women in movies. It's inspired by the Bechtel Test.
Here are the things about the test. There have to
be two women in the movie. They have to have names,
they have to talk to each other, and their conversation
can't be about a man. Don't understand, right, Why must

(00:48):
we have this sounds boring? Lame? Well? Today is an episode.
I didn't know if I was going to be excited
for it, and then I watched the movie. I was like,
you know what, I'm really excited. Oh my god. Well
let's okay, let's jump in the first we have a
guest speaking of men. He's been restrained. Yes, he's lowering
his head in shame for being a man, as he should.

(01:10):
We didn't bring out the Chaine. This time. It's just bungees, right, yeah,
just bungees. If no one puts up, if no one
seems too aggressive, we're like, okay, you're just you're bungee.
He could escape if he really wanted, right, but we'll
fight back. He seems fine, Yeah, he'll be He'll be
great because he is great. He is the co host
of the Percast, he's the producer of My Favorite Murder,

(01:32):
and he's the host of a new podcast about the
movie we're talking about today, a Jurassic Park. It's called
See Jurassic Right, Stephen Ray Morris, thank you both for
having me. Thanks super excited for me. I know you're happy.
You're a like Jurassic Park scholar. You're a scholar that's

(01:52):
a lot of pressure. Pressure pressure. I mean, I just
I think it's one of those things where you're like,
you know, when you're in college and you're like I
want to love like insert impressive movie title here, But
then I think over time, I was like, you know what,
this is my favorite movie, Like just this is the
thing that brings me the most joy. So, and you've
written a collection of essays, collection of essays on Thought

(02:12):
Catalog just kind of like the phase one of the
podcasts that I'm doing now, which is just me wanting
to just excessively nerd out about like the things that
I just like about this movie and this franchise, you know,
problems with the things that are interesting to talk about
all that kind of stuff. Because I went, like you,
I went to film school. So it's just a way
to almost feel like I was using my degree time out.

(02:33):
I just want everyone to know that I do have
two degrees in film. One of them is a master's
degree in screen running from Boston University. This is my
go on, this is my new thing. I'm gonna start
being a denier and like show us the show us
the diploma. I have a diploma at my house. I
will take a photo of it. And I'm going to
be a truth. I'm going to be a Caitlin Grad

(02:55):
School truther. We haven't seen the diploma. We don't know. Okay,
I'll prove it. I got proof. We're gonna make We're
gonna turn this into a dystopian podcast in which I
am Donald Trump. Yeah, and I would like to be
the villain. Please, Hey, that's fine. We need villains out there.
Without evil. There could be no good, so it's good

(03:16):
to be evil sometimes. That is a line from a
song from the South Park movie. Here's what my dad
used to say when he would be smoking outside of
our house and I'd say, hey, Dad, stop smoking, it's
bad for you. You'd say, sometimes it feels good to
be bad, and then he keeps smoking. Cool. It was
pretty cool. I mean in that way, I probably should

(03:37):
be a smoker, because that's a moment where it's like, well,
I'm sold. Yeah, Well it's even question for you. So
we're talking about the ninety three o G Jurassic Park.
Is this your favorite one out of all of the Okay,
I mean it seems it's the only good one, so um, okay,
I believe. I mean, it's that thing with Jurassic Park

(04:00):
that the unfortunate thing is that, unlike other bigger franchises,
the original is just so far and away better than
the other ones that it's like people probably don't even
know that there were other ones. Yeah, Lost World, the
second one wasn't terrible, but by no means is it
as good as Tragic Part. No, it's kind of a dragon.
Even Steven Spielberg said he was like, it's not as

(04:21):
good and I was kind of I love that he
admits movies he's directed are not that good. He's like,
templa doom, I don't care for it, stinker. I appreciate.
I mean, I guess once you reach a certain point
of money, you're like, well, I may as well tell
the truth. I love that I was reading a lot
about the productor. I mean, I'm sure I'm stating I'm

(04:42):
going to bring no new facts to the table for
most people. But I love that he was like doing
post for this movie while filming Schindler's List, just for
some levity. At the end of the day, it's like,
what we've been doing the list all day, I'm going
I'm going back to my my little whatever, probably very
nice house I'm staying in, and I'm gonna look at
some dinos to one some Dino dailies some Yeah, I

(05:05):
didn't even think about that. Yeah, that like that would
be the levity. At the end of the day, He's like,
let's do the Schindler's List dailies first and then I'll
watch the right. Mean, we don't have a confronted but
I would have to assume you don't want to watch
the Schindler's list dailies before bed, you want to watch
the dinos? I would imagine, how are the dinosaur robots
coming along? That seems that seems like a better midnight snack.

(05:28):
I'll do the recap of Jurassic Park, please do, Okay,
I will. So we meet a velociraptor and it's like
I'm gonna eat somebody a lot of ambient dino noises
great instead of asting. So we learned that there's a
thing called Jurassic Park. It's a it's an amusement park.

(05:53):
And but because there was this attack, the creator of
Jurassic Park, John Hammond, needs to bring on these x
berts to endorse this park. So he finds doctor Grant
and Dr Sadler, these paleo. Is this a hotties only rule?
Then it's like I need experts, but only hot experts,

(06:13):
hot scientists only. Yeah, I mean that's true to the
book in all of Michael Crichton, where he only allowed
well at least in terms of you know, if we're
getting into the podcast itself, like Michael Crichton only allowed
hot women to be scientists in his books. Like I've
read all of his books and it's like for him,
he can't see outside of that. It's like, you can
be a math genius, but you still have to be hot.

(06:36):
Then he's unnoticed. I went through a weird Michael Crichton
phase when I was a kid where I read a lot.
I didn't read Jurassic Park, but I read a lot
of Michael Crichton. Was a real Crichton head? Was your favorite?
The one with all the numbers was the one? Uh,
where is it? Drama string? No, I gotta look at it.
It was not a good one, but that I was

(06:57):
like really obsessed with a movie of his. Prissy, I'll
file figure out what my what my little Creighton thing was.
So he approaches these two dinosaur experts and it's like,
comm endorse my park, and they're like, well, okay, because
he promises to fund their dig. They just found a
raptor skeleton. Anyway. Meanwhile, there's a there's a lawyer also,

(07:18):
and he's like, I don't just don't know about this.
I represent these investors and and I don't know. There's
an accident and it's everything's I don't know, And then pray, oh, pray,
oh yeah, we're just yeah, praise no there's I would
just remember being like, oh, nano cool, and then next

(07:38):
there's another really bad Michael Crich. I haven't read any
of them, including Drastic Park. Yeah. I think I think
he tapped out at some point. He's got a million
billion dinoh dollars. Yeah, he doesn't need it. He's dead. Wait,
he's dead. No, I didn't know he was dead. Well,
I just felt that it was like all that in
my guy. He died on election night when Obama was elected.

(08:03):
Two do you think of that? Whatever you're about to say,
I do think Lord taketh away. Well, I was just
I was talking with someone yesterday about how I forget
why it came up. Oh, I was. I was on
a date and I was really struggling for topics, and
I said that, Hey, the day I was born, Larry
Bird retired, and my mom thought that his spirit of

(08:23):
greatness went into me. So you not only have Larry
Bird's spirit, but you also have Patrick Swayze. I have
shared the same birthday. The angels have my back. But
the funny thing is my mom would always say, you
have Larry Bird's spirit of greatness. Larry Bird is not dead,
he just retired that day so Larry birds walking around
without his spirit because I had to have it, because

(08:46):
I have it and that's why I'm so good at basketball.
The end anyway, So I'm going to get through this
recap as quickly as possible. The Dino experts, they come,
they rot, they come, They arrive to Jurassic Park car
along with dr Ian Malcolm, who's a Chaotitian? Is that

(09:07):
Jeff Goldblum? Yes? Why is it? Why is every hot
lady in l A have a picture with Jeff Goldblum touching?
Because he plays with the Rockwell, he needs to cut
it out and starting to look perverted. I needed to stop.
Every man on Tinder, if you live in l A
has a photo with Jeff Goldblum, those are the rules.
He needs to make a new rule of I'm not

(09:27):
going to touch the audience members anymore. A friend of
the cast, Josh Fadum, brought this. I us like, why
does everyone have a picture? Where do you go? Where
do you get one? And I was like, wherever? I
know where you go. There's a place in a time
and you bring your Instagram and you and you get
a million likes. It's a cheap code. Jeff Goldblum pervert done? Okay, yeah,

(09:52):
campaign do you really live here if you don't have
a weird perverted picture with Jeff Goldblum hunching over and
touching you after playing jazz music? I don't know, you
know what? I like Jeff Goldblum, So I am you
would him to you? I would let him touch me.
Consent is important. That is a big message we have
here on the podcast, especially when it comes to Jeff

(10:14):
Goldblum's jazz concert. I wouldn't consent to attend a Jeff
Goldblum jazz concert, but that's fine. Yeah, yeah, he has
to come to me, come to one of the comedy
shows I do in a basement, right he should. He
should be going to supporting more live ault comedy. Hey,
Jeff Goldbluin was your problem? Why do you need the art?
Come on out to the comedy scene in l A,

(10:37):
Menia has time to sell tacos from a taco truck?
Why not really does he? Yeah? Oh god, alright, Well
more on that La. Sorry, we got a story to
talk about. They arrive at Jurassic Park and they're like,
holy fuck, they didn't even know dinosaurs were going to
be there, and the dinosaur experts were like, whoa, I
guess our jobs are obsolete. And then there's this guy

(10:58):
named Dennis ned Ree who feels that he was not
paid well enough by Jurassic Park creator John Hammond, and
he decides to funk them over by selling the embryos
of the dinosaurs to a competing company, I suppose. So
he has to like do all this stuff where he
shuts down different systems and in security things around the park,

(11:20):
tons of grids. He shuts them all down so that
he can steal these embryos and then he leaves with
them in a shaving can product place, right, So he
basically makes it so the whole park, all the security measures,
all the electric fences and everything like that are shut
down and totally off. So the dino experts and John

(11:43):
Hammond's grandchildren Lex and Tim show up and they're like,
we want to go on the ride too, So they
go on this little Draassic Park tour, but all the
systems shut down and the dinosaurs start to come out,
and they're like, there's a goat. So t Rex shows
up the artists, but only with your mouth only. Yeah,

(12:07):
I'm gonna become a mouthfully Yeah. T Rex shows up,
Delapasaurus shows up, The raptors get out of their cage
and all help. Just like Ian Malcolm predicted, Hey do
you guys want to take a picture of me? He's like,
life finds a way, and then life does find a way.

(12:27):
He was right, that's his that's Jeff Goldblum's I see
dead people. M mmmmm yeah, shout da friend of the cast,
Friend of the cast, Dailey Jewel, where are you? I'm
kidding you want to answer? So hell breaks loose, A
bunch of people die, including the lawyer guy and Muldoon,

(12:48):
this British Safari man we'll call him, and then they
all have to like, fuck, how do we and then
they turn the systems back on. There's this great climactic
scene where the raptor you're a bound to get them,
and then t Rex swoops in and saves the day
the end, and then he's like, Mr Hammond, I've decided

(13:09):
not to endorse your park. So that's beautiful, Thank you,
good good recap. That was a good one. I usually
do a fucking terrible job. That was really good. I
think it's because I've had most of a small bottle
of wine. I think that we should encourage people to
drink more alcohol and then they'll do a better job
at whatever they're trying to do. Yeah, maybe not the

(13:29):
best message to know. I wasn't there, I wasn't being now.
I just feel like I should have brought you and drink. Yeah. Sorry, um,
sometimes it feels good to be bad. Okay, so that's
the story. But what does it mean? What doesn't mean?
You're here? Okay? If you can't tell. I love this

(13:51):
movie so much. It's probably one of my top five
favorite movies of all time. I have seen it dozens
of times. I love it, and it's it's just it's
so good. It's I would say, a perfect movie. Yeah,
it's so good, Jamie. You just saw it, and I
thought I was thrilled you liked it. I did like it,
liked it a lot. And I'm not I'm not a

(14:13):
big blockbuster girl. I'm not a big movie person. I
did watch the movie, the documentary about Hull Cogan and
journalistic ethics twice, and that's usually what's a little more
my speed. That one's not going to pass the Backel test.
That's on me. I really enjoyed this movie. It was
so much fun. I watched it two times. I did

(14:33):
I did a kaylin. I watched it one time and
then I said, you know what, I could I could
stomach this again, which to me is like, wow, I
Muso really liked that movie. I'm impressed. Yeah, I don't
like movies that much. I know. Yeah, welcome to our
movie podcast. I know, episode but fifty. There's it feels
pretty breezy in comparison to like blockbusters now that are

(14:54):
like two and a half hours, like Transformers and all
that stuff. It's a quick one. Yeah, and it's also
it's also in you know, still before the era before
like blockbusters had to be filtered through a blue filter.
The whole thing is fucking blue. Is three hours long.
And there's they're like, but it's really about philosophy, and

(15:14):
like this movie is is I mean, it has meant
you can unpack a lot, but they're not they're not
heaping it upon you. You can take it or leave it. Sure,
fun movie, I mean directed by Steven Spielberg, very competent director,
one of my favorites. Well, I hope he uses that
very confident the fat podcast. Yeah, you're welcome for my

(15:38):
incredible endorsement. Steven. Anyway, it's just such a terrific movie
and it's kind of nice, like I was rewatching it
just I mean, I kind of just wake up to
it every day just in my head. But like that,
it is a movie where it has a lot of
set up and then once it let's go, then it's
just kind of like going, and it doesn't necessary at

(16:00):
least stop other than when Dr Sadler and Hammond eat
ice cream, Like that's the only slow scene, like once
the action starts. But I love that scene though, Yeah,
you never had control, that's the illusion. I think that's
would have been funny if you dropped his ice cream.
S Um, that's isn't Like there's so much foreshadowing and

(16:22):
like plant and payoff in this movie and it just
shows so much restraint. We don't meet t Rex until
an hour and three minutes into the movie. Miss you
can talk to There's a bow um because I had
been on the Jurassic Park raft ride multiple times before

(16:47):
seeing this movie for the first time, and then I
went back to make sure that this story had started
as this is going to be a roller coaster eventually,
and for sure it was because Crichton rest in Paradise apparently,
which is really allegedly. I think it's a I think

(17:07):
it's a kaufman esque prank and Krechton is still with us.
But anyways, Crichton was writing the book, took a meeting
with Spielberg talking about e Er apparently, and he was like, Hey, also,
I like dinosaurs, and this is what men talk about
at lunch. They're like, yeah, I like trains and dinosaurs
and fucking ladies. And Steven Spielberg said, well, what about dinosaurs?

(17:30):
And so he knew this was going to be a
movie before he finished the book, and knew it was
going to be a Spielberg movie. So he also knew
it was going to be a roller coaster. Like knowing
that and then watching the movie again, I was like, oh,
this kind of informs the way a roller coaster would happen.
You're not going to tote out the t rex right away? Yeah,
that's right. You gotta you gotta metaphorically build it. Oh,

(17:53):
this is another theme park ride movie. We're gonna get
around to the Country Bears and I cannot wait. I'm
sure that's a very woman. Everyone's gonna love it. All Right,
let's talk about the portrayal of women in this pod

(18:14):
in this movie, I don't know so, as was hinted
at earlier missed t Rex, because all the dinosaurs are women.
They're female. I like that. I like that all the
dangerous killing machines are women. But then but then also
they are being kept in captivity by mostly man man.

(18:36):
So yeah, I don't know Steven your take. But then
they break free? Sorry there free? Well, and then that
that's actually one of my questions that I was curious
to hear your thoughts on it, because it is that
thing where it's like and that's the one thing I
kind of liked about Drastic World that Chris Pratt's character
was so like their female dinosaurs and he has this
kind of like like insistent, like O C. D insistence

(18:58):
that everyone referred to them as like she all that stuff.
But like, I guess my thought is, allies, yeah, we're
dis or allies, We're not going to miss gender these dinosaurs.
And but yeah, I guess my question is does them
all being female really impact the narrative in a way,
and like how does it really affected or mean I
was mostly saying it as a joke, but well, no,

(19:19):
I mean that's just my curiosity about it, because it
was really interesting when Hasbro released the Jurassic World toys,
they called them all he and like there's a big
outcry in the community, and so in Jurassic World they're
all still Yeah. It's just one of those things where
I feel like it maybe just plays the most into Dr.
Sadler's line where, you know, women inherit the earth kind

(19:40):
of thing, like the idea that maybe these dinosaurs are
like taking back from, you know, the patriarchy and society
by destroying it all, or I think stuff like that. Well,
it does play a significant role in the story, and
that they deliberately genetically engineer the dinosaurs to be all
females so that they don't breed because they have to
control they're breeding, right, But then life finds a way.

(20:04):
But okay, here's and this is maybe a stupid question
from someone who just saw Drastic Park for the first time.
If Devil's Advocate they made all the dinosaurs men and
there were no eggs to be stolen, wouldn't that have
really fucked up the plot of the movie? Es the

(20:26):
dinosaurs were just coming and then they were like, well,
there goes that one a bucket, just like roaming around
the park. Like dinoaches come in the slop bucket, all right,
that's Jeff Goldblum's job, and the dinosaurs come into the bucket. Well,
wouldn't they still need to be female to lay the

(20:48):
eggs or how do they do that? I think the
ones that we see like with like Beaty Wong, like
in the beginning, I think those were like artificially inseminated,
but then the ones later in the movie are realized,
so like that would funk up that point in in
the plot. Yeah, I'm just being critical of Crichton, you know,

(21:09):
because that's why I came here to do. But now
he's dead, and now I'm being disrespectful. I can't believe
he's been dead for almost ten years. What did I
think he was up to? No idea being more anti
global warming stuff. Yeah, he's a climate change denier. He was.
He's dead. Now he's one with the earth, which is

(21:29):
fine according to him. I mean he still is releasing novels,
which is the weirder part. What they still keep finding
manuscripts of books, like they just released a new one
this year. Like that's why I thought he wasn't dead.
Because I was like, I've seen his name recently. Oh,
but his ghost is just really same books now. Shout

(21:51):
shout out to the movie Ghost. Shout out to the
movie Ghost. Shout out to Crichton's Ghost, which is a
movie that I will write starting the second Ist podcast records.
I can't wait Creon's Ghost. More importantly than the all
the dinosaurs being female, let's talk about the actual human
women in the movie. Doctor Ellie Sadler a woman in
stem She's a paleobotanist. Hell yeah. And then there's Lex

(22:16):
who is a computer hacker and a computer whiz technopagan.
Either way, I feel like that's what she grow up
to be. What is a techno pagan? Like it wasn't
that X Fox episode, but I almost imagine, like I
was talking to something the other day, if there was, Like,
if her character was around in Jurassic World, she'd probably
be like hacking intother systems to try and shut down

(22:37):
the new park. It's like desecrating the memory of her
grandfather or something. Okay, I like it. I love hacking scenes,
especially the further back you go, the crazier the hacking
scenes get. The word main frame is in vote quota.
I'm in the main frame. That's like on my bucket
list of something to say, and to know that that

(22:58):
is actually what I mean to say. I sometimes will
just say it to myself when I like I'm at
Duncan Donuts, I get into WiFi packed into the main room. Anyways,
either way, she's a woman in STEM, I would say technology,
she's so, we've got two women in STEM, and then
then they the only two women and women and the women.

(23:23):
I guess that's what I meant by my question with
the dinosaurs being female. It's like there's that thing where
it's like, would it pass the back to test if
they were talking about the dinosaurs, like because it's like,
doesn't count because they're not human. So like that part
of that conversation if they are talking about dinosaurs, if
it's two women talking about dinosaurs, yes, I would say
it passes the Backtel test because they're not human. Man.

(23:45):
And also we'll get to this later, but there's a
scene where the two raptors are vocal with each other.
They're communicating with their stretch, and I would say that
us is the Bechdel test stretch. Well, well, wait, we
don't know their name. Big all stretch. We don't know
those those raptors names, so maybe doesn't pass. But it's

(24:07):
called Runner and Yeller. So we have these two women,
and I like these two women a lot, but they
are surrounded by a whole slew of men because there's
Dr Alan Grant, Dr Ian Malcolm, John Hammond, the Little Boy, Tim,
Mr Arnold, Muldoon, Gennaro, Dennis Nedri, Beaty Wong, which which

(24:28):
brings us to the age old Bechtel cast refrain, what
if two or three of these characters were just named Cassandra?
What would be different? Oh, I don't know, fucking nothing. Yeah, exactly,
make make the lawyer be a woman. Have Mr Arnold.
Although I would not trade Samuel L. Jackson in this

(24:48):
role for the world, let's leave him um. I did
for one website. I did a gender swap cast thing
for this movie a couple of years ago, which I
thought because Laura Dern was like an arthouse like Lynch
Darling at this time, so I thought it'd be fun
if like Ryan Gosling was playing that and then and
then having Elizabeth Mossy Grant like I thought that would

(25:10):
be like a good I like it, and having a
cap Blanchet be John Hammond. I think she she'd rock
the cap. Yeah, for sure, I like that a lot.
We'll link that in the I'm interested in this, Yeah,
I'll send you the link to the So the point
is it's a couple I think strong, great female characters
surrounded by men. And then there's all these scenes like

(25:31):
the first scene you see where they're unloading one of
the raptors into like the raptor paddock, and it's all men.
And then there's another scene where genera the lawyer goes
to talk to the dude who's I guess in an
amber mine? He's looking for amber, and uh, those are
all men in that scene. You see the scene where

(25:53):
they're on the tour and it's all these Jurassic Park
scientists all but one man. There's one lady with a
top bun, everyone else as a man. It's me, it's you,
you were in this movie. But the point is, it's
just like crazy that we have to like look at
these scenes and like really like examines and study to

(26:16):
be like, wait, is that a woman? Wait that over there?
And it's because they're just almost always populated by men,
and it's annoying that it seems like this default to
just being filled with men and they're being no or
maybe one woman, I think, and I feel like with
this story, it's possible to over analyze it or like

(26:39):
give it more thought about how much thought was put
into gender than Michael Crichton would ever. May he rest
in peace. But like you know, it's like you can
technically make the argument of Okay, we have this colony
of all female dinosaurs, but they're being regulated and trying
to be contained by men, but they're busting and did it,

(27:00):
and like we can make this argument. I have a
hard time believing that Michael Crichton or Steven Spielberg or
really anyone involved in this project in a high level
actually thought about the role of gender. That's hard. So
it's like, well, you can analyze it that way if
it makes you feel better, but I don't think that

(27:22):
they actually intended it to. That's the beauty of art,
though it doesn't matter what the artists intended. I don't
want to art to give men more credit than they deserve,
right either way. Okay, So there's like three specific sequences
that I want to talk about, and then a few
other scenes. Starting with the one that you already hinted at,

(27:43):
where Malcolm is like, God creates dinosaurs, God destroys dinosaurs,
God creates man, Man destroys God. Man creates dinosaurs, and
then Dr Sattler says, dinosaurs eat man, women inherent the earth.
And then they both look at her and they're like, oh, shoot,

(28:04):
I want to marry her. That's a good it's such
a great But I would also sorry argue that this
is harkening back to one of our favorite mixed we
needs articles. I'm the girl and I kick here's my
line where I say, you know or spice World girl
powa Like it's like, okay, cool, we got that moment,

(28:25):
thank you, and seen like, yeah, that could be if
that was the only thing she does, or like the
only impressive thing she contributes to the story or anything
like that. No, I just meant like the line more
than I mean the character. Obviously, Seller is a great character,
but just like sometimes lines like that, I don't know,
I feel manipulated by them where they're just like, hey,

(28:47):
girls can't do things too, and I was like, yeah,
I know, so have put more girls in your fucking movie.
You showed like, you know, good point, But it would
be much more. It would be more annoying to me
if that was something she said, and then none of
her actions backed that up, like she's like women power.
And then so at least she goes on to do

(29:09):
a whole slew of things, which is what I wanted
to talk about next where it's later in the movie,
but all the power they have to basically reboot all
the systems and undo the damage that Dennis Nedri had done,
who at this point in the story is dead. R
I p he slipped on And just love that little

(29:34):
the slide whistle or whatever. I love that scene that
where he gets killed by the delaposaurs. Fuck, it's so good.
But so there's a scene where John Hammond is like,
well Doon bring back my grandchildren, and Nell He's like,
I'm going with him. So it was just like cool
to see her making a choice, taking action, going and

(29:55):
doing something. A lot of movies would have just had
her stay behind, not do anything. Nurse and Malcolm back
to health with his leg that's all sucked up, would
be like, hey, do you want to take a picture? Oh?
I was thinking, um, it would be like The Big
Guiled where they're like, oh, your leg is fucked up.
I'm gonna, I'm gonna, yeah, I want to cut your

(30:17):
leg off, and then fucky, No, it's Jeff goldbl And
he just wants to take a perverted picture. He doesn't
actually have sex. He just wants to look like he
enticed or whatever. Enticing, right, He really does just like
want to go home and feed his dogs. But that's
that's what I find so interesting about Dr Selller, because

(30:39):
I was trying to think of her like because there's
certain scenes in the movie where she takes the role
of kind of like the person to like knock the
sense into some of the dudes, you know. But what
I like about her character a lot and why, Like,
I mean, she was my first crush growing up and
all that stuff or whatever. But um, the one reason
why I really like her as a character in these
kind of movies is because she seems like she's the

(31:00):
only person who's living in the moment during the movies.
Everyone's kind of caught in their headspace of like, oh,
I should have like made this park better, or like
I hate kids and I need to learn how to
like kids or whatever. She's like, all right, what do
you need? What do we need to do, like, how
can I? She's like the most like how you're saying,
like she's the most proactive character. She's like, oh, I'm
going to stay behind and learn more about the sick
trisatops or whatever, like And I like that scene because

(31:23):
it shows that whole scene where the encounter the sick
triceratops and it's it's barfing. She pops the pimple on
it and she's like, well, why is it sick? Are
they eating this West Indian lilac? It's poisonous? You really
like get to see her expertise, like she's she knows
what she's talking about, she knows what she's doing. So

(31:45):
it's just like a cool moment. So many movies, especially blockbusters,
would have been like she kind of can do a
thing sort of, but like we don't really get to
see it, or if we do, it's for a second
and then never again. Or she gives the sick tri
Saratovs true loved kiss and it's better wakes up. Yeah,

(32:06):
I feel better now. And that's technically a great queer
moment in film because the transparentas would be a woman.
Remember when Laura durned French that dinosaur really progressive moment.
That's David Lynch's yeah, okay. So then after Dr Grant

(32:27):
and the kids have gone off somewhere and they appear
to be safe, and then there's the scene where Mr
Arnold leaves to go turn the power back on, but
he's taking a while because he's like she would be
three minutes, and then it's more than that. More time
has passed, so she's like, something's wrong, something happened. I
have to go turn the power back on. And then
and in that moment, that's when like Muldoon's like, I'll

(32:48):
go with you. She was wanted to be like I'm going.
I'm making the decision to go. I gotta do this,
and he goes with her, and then immediately as soon
as they get outside, he's like we're being hunted. Oh.
But before that happens, John Hammond's like, this should be
me that ghost because I'm a and you're a and

(33:09):
she's like, look, I'm a Republican. I would love if
that was their fun difference Laura during the twist is
she's a Replican, I'm a Democrat and you're a Republican. No,
And she's like, we can discuss sexism and survival situations
when I get back, which again, sure, maybe that's another

(33:32):
look at what I can, but I've never interpreted it
that way. I was just like, you go, girl. Maybe
it's because I'm simple, but that was the point. But
you know, if I had seen this movie when I
was a kid, I wouldn't feel that way, But seeing
as I saw it last week, I do feel that way. Sure,
so they go, they get hunted. She has to go
on by herself, so she goes into the shed. The

(33:54):
I was just when I was again like thinking about
this movie for today as a kid, when after I
saw this movie, anytime I swing from branches, I would
always like pretend that was her because she heard like
her six swing that she does, She's like foom in
the lands in the water. I just thought that was
the coolest. Yeah, yeah, that was a good good plant,
good swing, stuck the landing. So she goes in the
shed and then she does all the things she needs

(34:17):
to do to turn the power back on. She's being
again told what to do by a man, but like
that's not her area of expertise exactly. Yeah, So she
manages to do everything. All the systems come back online
and then there's that great moment where she's like Mr
Hamm and I think we're back in business. And then
a raptor bursts out. And what I really love about

(34:40):
this is that she has to save herself. The raptor
explodes out into the room. She gets through the gate. Yeah,
and in the human succeeds over the raptor because the human,
I guess, is smarter. Although the raptors have shown intelligence
their systematically to testing the fences for weaknesses anyway, systematically,

(35:05):
she beats him with with Sam Jackson's arm. That would
have been a great moment. I wish that had happened.
She grabs that Mr Arnold and then she's like, oh sweet,
there's a weapon, all right? Yeah? Good enough? Right, Because
so she gets she saves herself. She closes the door,
and then she like sort of like okay, and then

(35:26):
Mr Arnold's arm falls on top of her. She thinks, hey,
I'm just resting my arm here. I know that you
almost died, but let's have a casual. How many years
of therapy will it take to bounce back from that?
So many? So many? The point is she saves herself.
She doesn't have to have any man save her. It
was a very exciting moment for me. The next thing

(35:50):
I wanted to talk about was when the kids are
in the kitchen or like the whatever that area is,
Like the guest services hoasically craft services, they just turned
the cameras and just yeah, they're like, oh hey, look right,
and they're eating jello, you know as craft Services always
has and Lex seize the raptors and takes them into

(36:13):
the kitchen and the raptors can open doors. The smartass
lady dinosaurs figured out how to open doors like a
cat in an emergency want figure how to open a door,
saving all the people in the apartment. Called an exciting

(36:34):
day hit in Brighton. That would happen in Brighton. It
would happen. Yeah, this is my English news bit. I
just if like a dinosaur is like a cat. They
just like under the door, like how cats can slide.
The raptors just like on the you know, blows its
nose on the thing and they just itself basically like
I can't. So the two raptors come into the kitchen,

(36:58):
Lex with her younger rather tim she's the one who's
like pulling him around like here, follow me, like she's
doing all the things to save them, the sweet trick
with them, the ladle yeah, and the oven. Yeah, so
alpha big sis And it could be yeah, it could
be because she's like the older one, the bigger one.
But sure, but like the and the writer could have

(37:22):
made the choice to like make the older one a boy,
to have him be the one in the book, Tim
is the older Yeah. Yeah, yeah, cool. So I like
in the movie that they're like, all right, let's have
the girl be the one who's Spielberg one, Crichton still
climate Ja and I are also dead. He loses. So yeah,

(37:45):
it was really cool to see Lex being the one
to be like, I'm in charge here and I'm going
to save my little brother. Yeah. I like that part.
Oh yeah, and she like closes the freezer to yeah,
so she actually it's it's interesting that the only now
that I'm thinking about this, technically, I think in the
all the Jurassic Park movies, the only two people to

(38:07):
kill dinosaurs are Lex freezing the raptor and then Malcolm's
daughter Kelly kicking the with the gymnastics skills in the
Lost World kicking the raptor off on the spike. So
it's only been two little girls killing dinosaurs in these movies. Hell,
I like that. Yeah, that's impressive. Yeah, but you're right.

(38:27):
She like the raptor ends up in the freezer. I
think because he was like changing Tim into she was
just hard god chasing Tim into the freezer. And then
Lex runs up and locks the raptor into the freezer.
Hell yeah, yeah, I froze to death in there. Presumably

(38:47):
we don't know whatever. So then the final scene is
when they're in the control room at the end, Ellie
like runs to the computer. She's like, I got to
boot up the door locks because I guess she knows
how to do that, which good for her. And then um,
the raptor starts coming in through the door, because again,
raptors know how to open doors, any door, any door.

(39:11):
They have mastered all doors doors, the rotating doors. There
aren't that, and that would be fun if there was, though,
would its tail get her tail gets stuck in the door?
I know we keep accidentally miss gendering. These depends on
how advanced the door was, because if the door had

(39:32):
good sensors and the door wouldn't close on and objecting,
you know, in front of the doors. In defense of
the doors, I'm sure that the raptor would have been fine,
A good point, thank you. This is the door. Okay.
So they're in the control room and the raptor starts
to come in and Grant can't hold the door by himself,

(39:53):
so Elie Satler has to help him. Meanwhile, Lexi's like,
wait a minute, a unique system. I know this. She's
the one to save the day for about two seconds
and then the raptors coming through the glass. But it
was just school like the choice could have been made
where the little boy knows how to be a hacker,

(40:15):
but Tim is like useless in that scene. He's just
like he said, come ahead, well kids, are you go
to school? Go a library card? You dumb ask He's
a little kid. I mean that would that would have
been I think maybe Spielberg was like thinking the endgame
was like, oh, well, because there's the gun there, and
then like Ellie and Grant are like trying to get

(40:36):
the gun but hold the door, and then like Tim
give us the gun, and then Tim just shoots the
raptor and then we've got like our own traumatized like
child like, well, I never understand why they don't say,
like Tim, grab that gun, give it to an adult,
help us. But he's just like, yeah, maybe Spielberg because yeah,
I mean it's so like because he's just sitting there
like patting his head, just like because he is a kid.

(40:59):
Never reminded me of my little brother or like I
would freeze a dinosaur from my brother. And also he
was such a WinPY little kid. He was afraid of
water till he was like seven. So I was like, oh,
he's like my brother. He's probably afraid of the ocean. Yeah,
I mean I related to I probably would be too
afraid to do anything in that just paralyzed little boy child.
But yeah, I wonder Spielberg maybe just didn't want to

(41:21):
have the imagery of a kid picking up a gun.
I wonder because that's definitely like a he's all about
family and family dynamic responsible. I mean, he did remove
the guns from it for him now, but he did.
He did remove the guns from one version of ET,
like from all the like digitally remove all the guns. WHOA,
I didn't know that three points first period. I'm excited

(41:44):
to see because this ending scene is is really cool
and it's hard to imagine how it would have originally
been where like Grant was going to kill the raptors
with like a crane that was like sitting in the
visitor center, like he was going to like grab a
raptor and then like throw it at the bones, and
like that's how it originally was us to end. But
every I think they were so impressed by the c
G I test of the t Rex and they like

(42:04):
to the character so much, so like let's bring your
back at the very end, And I don't know, it
feels more. It would feel kind of gross if like
our hero just like straight up murdered two dinosaurs. Like
the whole movie. The whole movie is like trying to
say that they're like animals and they're just natural creatures.
And then it's like it's not their fault that they
were genetically engineered and put in this century, that they
don't belong by a bunch of horny dude. Not their fault.

(42:26):
Here's what I'll say if Alfred. If I would put
Alfred Will in this movie, Okay, here's whatever it is.
Here's what I would do. I would keep the casting
as is. What I do is I would pull like
a deep Roy and Charlie and the Chocolate Factory Tim
Burton version where deep Roy plays all of the Olympus,

(42:46):
like hundreds and hundreds of deep Roys. So this would
take most of the women out of the movie. But
I think it is the move to make alkim up
all of the dinosaurs, hundreds of him. I've decided not
to endorse this. He's a character actor. He could he
could really really bring something special to each dinosaur role.

(43:11):
I would love to see Alfred Billina play sick try
Sara Tops. So somebody should photoshop that, for sure, because
they just photoshop what like cats in there. The dinosam
that comedy in there. So now just calls out for
Bechdel cast fans to photoshop alf Molina in the same positions.
Make Alfred Freddy and to sick try Sara Tops. A

(43:37):
real missed opportunity. But you know it's an all right, hey,
listen to this segue. It's about love, the love that
you have for Alfred Molina, and how I like that
there's no discernible love story in this movie. Yes, yeah,
that's another thing that would have been so And I
went into the movie just knowing who the cast was.

(43:57):
I was like, oh, well, someone gonna I mean, they
want to fuck her. It seems, well, yeah, they're horny
diosaur guys. Right. But here's something I've been confused about.
So Dr Grant tells Dr Malcolm that he and Ellie
are together, and I always assume that that was just
because Dr Grant has a crush, But then I was like,
are they together? They kind of like at one point

(44:19):
Ellie calls him honey and they like hug a lot,
and I'm like, maybe they are low key dating. But
the movie just makes not a big deal of it
at all because like Grants such a sour puss that
he's probably like he's not. He doesn't seem like a
PDA type. And there was definitely more. There was definitely more,
like because I have like all the trading cards and
stuff for dressing. Um, there's like cut shots and cut

(44:43):
moments where like they are more physical. But I think
but I think maybe there's even one where they high five,
which again adds more to their weird a sexual I mean,
it's more on sand Neale's part, not online they love
to high five my sex part. That's honestly how I
initiate sex right five? What's up? We're doing this now? Gil?

(45:05):
And I just had sex on the air. Big back
toil moment. It ends with Grant like wanting the kids
or being like hey, kids, and then he's like hugging him.
They're in his arms on the helicopter. After a couple
of days, like so the second someone ships their pants,
he's like, actually, I'm out there. I know that they

(45:27):
should they're too old to be shipping their pants. But
at some point up well, he was electrocuted, so he
probably right. He's having ball problems. The second side effect
is any one of those kids takes the ship, he's
going to be like, you know, I remember why I
hate kids, but yeah, if any I was gonna just
say if anything, because it's it's that thing where it's

(45:50):
like Grant is almost the main character in that sense
where he's the one who goes on this journey to
like oh I understand kids now or something, you know.
But it's like kind of nice that I think in
a story in specific that Dr Satler isn't like you
need to have kids or we need to get married
or anything. She's just like, yeah, kids are cool. I
guess maybe I don't know whatever. It's like almost like
I don't know. It's like they kind of nicely. Don't

(46:11):
like make that a big dramatic thing at all or anything. Right, Yeah,
there were a lot of points in the movie where
I'm like, oh, this could have been turned into a
weird romantic kind of I mean all throwaway moments, but
Blockbusters do it all the time, and it was kind
of like a pleasant surprise. I was like, oh, no,
they're just going to keep moving forward with the story. Right.
There's that famous scene in Jurassic World where Bryce Tellis

(46:34):
Howard is running away from the t Rex in high heels,
and it's famous because it's so absurd, especially because t
Rex runs at thirty two miles an hour and she
could not outrun him, especially in heels. So I just
want to say that I really like that Dr Sadler's
costume in this movie was very reasonable. No one felt

(46:56):
any need to put her in high heels for no reason.
And another thing with a lot of Blockbusters is that
the one adult woman is very hot, very sexual. We
already talked about Michael Krenton making all the scientists hot,
but she wasn't. She wasn't overly sexualized or even its
sexualized at all. Is as far as I interpreted it

(47:19):
like she's just wearing practical clothes that you would wear
on a dinosaur. I mean, I think her khakis are
the same length as Gennaro's, you know, like he's wearing
some short shorts. Yeah. I also noticed in cut offs,
very very sensible. Is he a never nude? I love
his death scene he just runs into the bathroom, and
then the t Rex is like, yeah, we're a fully

(47:44):
artist with dinosaurs. Are going to rip this audio and
use it in their movies and then we're gonna make
a lot of money. Please donate to our papal account.
We'll get into that in a second. Yeah, Hey, do
you want to hear me bark like a dog? Pretty good?
Really good, really good? Pay me before you use that clip.

(48:07):
Beaty Wong Henry Henry Wu, I think it's his name.
He says. All vertebrate embryos are inherently female anyway, They
require an extra hormone given at the right developmental stage
to make them male. Proving movie proves this fact that
no one else knew or studied or anything right in

(48:27):
Heads Unite that all embryos are female, which is why
male cats have as many nipples as female cats. This
has been cat facts with Caitlin. Okay, that is inherently
pointland that women aren't gonna inherit They're going to reinherit
the earth again in that way movies saying yes, Quen. Alright,

(48:53):
let's talk about if this movie passes the BACTO test
or not. Okay, I made a case for the Raptors,
No stupid and run. There's a scene that happens off
screen where women talk, but it does not pass the
BACTO test, where Lex goes up to Grant and she's like,
she thought I should ride with you because it would

(49:14):
be good for you. But they were talking about man,
so it does not pass. Here's the problem with this
movie is that the two female characters are not even
in the same room or seen for most of the movie.
But there is the scene in the control room at
the end whenever they run in and Lex says, we

(49:34):
can call for help and Satler says, we got to
reboot the system first. I think that's a pass that
I did make a note of that, and that might
be by the skin of its teeth, might be where
it passes for me, that's what. But it is a
barely barely pass and it's the only time where you

(49:58):
basically see those two and it's a classic. I mean,
it's the thing we've encountered, I would say, and at
least ten movies we've talked about now where it's like
the female it's the problem. Isn't the female characters that
are written. It's just the fact that there are no
female characters for them to interact with at length. Ever. Yeah, yeah,

(50:18):
that was my question. It was like, it just seems
like it feels like every time it's like they can't
have two women together because that's oh, we've already hit
our maximum or something like. It just seems like these
movies are so afraid, are so afraid to like just
put to that somehow. Yeah, Like, and I think that
this era like is still a time where it's like, well,
why would we put two women together in one seed?

(50:39):
What purpose we filled our quota with two women characters total?
We don't need more, right, right, and we're not forcing
them to hook up all the time, which is like,
you know good, but like you know so this I
would say that that was a scene where it passed
for me, but I was still like, ah, man, you're
doing so well. But it's another Princess Leia kind of

(51:02):
thing where it's like, well, one female character is great,
and then we have, you know, a few women on
the fringe, but other than that, you know, just like
one really well written female character and only meant for
her to talk to. That's why I like about your
podcast so much, because it's like it's almost that idea
of like, well, because I love the Transformers episode where
you're like, well, this, it doesn't feel right to pass

(51:24):
it because even though it gets in like logically, but
in the spirit of like what the test is, it's like,
does it really actually like in that sense of like
this movie where like it has a lot of these
like mic drop like kind of empowering moments. And I
remember Steven Spielberg in behind the Scenes stuff saying that
he made Lex the older one, made the woman you know,

(51:45):
made Lex interested in computers, and made her the hacker
because he was like, these are aspirational elements that he
was adding, like in his words, that's that's what he
was saying. That he made those choices to do that
because he wanted to inspire little girls to get into
technology and stuff. But it's like, but at the same time, like, oh,
but it actually doesn't feature two women having a conversation
with each other. But that's not about men. So it's like,

(52:06):
it's just like I like that. You guys talk about
that a lot because it's like you're welcome. Okay, I
mean thank you, you're welcome. Now we both did it. Hey,
let's write the movie on her nipple scale. I'm going
to give it three and a half nipples. I think

(52:28):
it might be a little high. No, I feel good
about three and a half because Dr Sadler is a
great character. She does a whole bunch of ship. She
makes a lot of decisions that influenced the story. She
is very proactive. She unfortunately doesn't have the same number
of like memorable lines or like great monologues like Malcolm has.

(52:51):
I do like that she says the whole like men
get eaten and women inherit the earth. That's the line, right,
So I like her, And I also liked that lex is,
like you said, like she was. Decisions were made to
make her active. She does things. She fucking boots up
the door locks. Good for her. But because there are

(53:13):
so few women when there could be many more. Again,
we identified several characters that like why not make this
a woman. It's just a sea of men with like
tiny little sprinkles of a strong women and it um
So that's why it gets a three and a half
from me. And the nipples belonged to you know what,

(53:35):
I'm pretty sure that Trisaara tops even though reptiles do
not have nipples. That looked like an animal that would
have nipples. So okay, just more revealing about you than
anything else. You're just like, that looks like there's some
milk in there. I didn't it though, I don't know,

(53:56):
I get I mean, I would like to believe that
there's I just had a disgusting thought because it's both
very cheesy and hearkens back to an episode that by
the time this comes out, well have been a long
time ago. Spider Man two reference got Molina on the Rain,
You know that line where where Aunt what's her name?

(54:16):
Is like, I believe there's a hero at all of
us When she said that zete milk, I believe there's
some milk at all of us. That was the five
year you were Aunt May with it. Anyways, I finished
my mics aren't lemonade, and I'm really thinking at a
higher level Stephen, what would you like to write the movie?

(54:43):
I would give it three sweaty lawyer nipples out of
five again for the reasons that this movie has. I mean,
I think like comedian Rio Butcher, she summed up Drassic
World in a really great way, which is like a
nineties version of a feminist movie where it's like, let's
give the mean female character ship and then like that's

(55:04):
how you learn that she's empowered or whatever. And I
feel like even this movie still suffers from a lot
of that same thing. Um, but it is like there
is those baddest moments, and I think again, like the
through line is that at least Dr Sadler's character, she
like stays true to herself and she doesn't like she's
kind of on her own path that it's kind of

(55:25):
like mysterious. She's kind of like she kind of holds
the rest of the movie at arms length, which I
kind of like she's kind of like amused by like
what's going on and concerned, but she's never like and
she's in the moment, and I kind of like that
about her characters. My favorite seen is when she's crying
and then she's like I need ice cream. She eats
some ice cream because women be crying, women be eating

(55:45):
ice cream. But like, honestly, sometimes they are. I've done it,
for instance, me yesterday. Let me really, let me take
you back a full twelve to sixteen hours anyways, see,
and I'm sure you've cried and eating ice cream. Of course,
it's not a gender thing. It's a human thing. Man

(56:06):
crying ice cream just the other day. Not to brag,
but I saw it. Yeah, I mean I've probably cried
while eating ice cream while watching this movie. Wow, this
is a movie. I do cried you, by the way.
It's more of a human response exactly. It's not a
gendered response. Everyone wants to cry an eat ice cream.
These are things that all people want except for lactose

(56:26):
and tolerant their mutants. You're fucking freaks. This is my
new friend tier of people. I'm pre steampunks. You're okay, now,
lactose intolerant people. What if I t're on my radar,
I'm coming for you. What if I told you I
was lactose intolerant, which I am. I knew that. Now
I feel bad first because I didn't remember. In second,

(56:48):
because I just declared war on you, and I can't
take it back. I'll fight back. I'm a strong, independent woman.
You're very strong, but you're calcium deficient because you're not
drinking as much milk ast me. I'm getting We don't
even we started. People should not be consuming dairy or
any mammals after infancies. Some real lactose intolerant propaganda. I

(57:11):
breastfit from my mom just this morning, and I feel great. Hey,
what would you like to write the movie? Oh? Yeah,
I'm gonna give it three nippies. I'll give two of
the nippies. Well, I'll give one nippie a little Tim,
because I can relate with being afraid and the youngest
and being completely useless. So you gotta give one to

(57:34):
Tim given, and then I'm going to give the other
two to the sick dinosaur um because because it has nipples,
it has it has nipples, and it's I just love
that a sick dinosaur. You never think of a dinosaur
is sick. So in that way, if I can change
the way I think about dinosaurs, and specifically female dinosaurs,

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what great. Never thought of female dinosaurs as sick before
I saw this movie, and then I realized I was
so fucking wrong. That's okay, three but ed but for
for for serious talk because like many movies we've discussed,
the central female character is wonderful, but she's not given

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really any or barely anyone to talk to, and I
sort of am inclined to discard, like, well, all the
dinosaurs are female, right, but they're dinosaurs, so not to
trigger any dinosaur listeners we have out there, but you're dinosaurs,
So in that way, I'm going to give it a

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three perfect Stephen, thank you so much they're being here. No,
I'm really, I'm really I'm really happy you guys asked me.
I really love this podcast lot, so I'm happy to
have been on it. Awesome. Where can people find you online?
Do you always find me at Steven Ray Morris on
Twitter and Instagram? And then my Drastic Park podcast is
at Sea Jurassic right on Things and like, yeah, it's

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just people sharing stories of their childhood that only relates
to Durassic parking dinosaurs, because that's the niche that I'm
trying to fill. You work very important. You can follow
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come and see us live in New York in September

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September nine. Will post about it. Hell fucking yeah, I
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