Runaway Bride with Sophia Benoit

Jamie and Caitlin have a combined total of three degrees, but did you know they've also ran away from three weddings? (They haven't). Guest Sophia Benoit joins to discuss Runaway Bride.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
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(00:21):
Caitlin and Jamie wait quietly as they get the go
ahead from Aristotle to start, Hey, welcome to the Bechtel Cast. Hi.
I thought you're gonna keep going that. I was gonna
start breathing heavy. Then you stopped. It's gonna started breathing heavy. Yeah,
I kind of bailed on it, but don't build on

(00:42):
the bit. Well like me saying hey, welcome to the
Bechtel Cast was like Caitlin's dialogue. So then I was
just reading dialogue and then you came in with your dialogue. Well,
mine was an action line. More, it was like Jamie
begins to breathe heavily. True. Anyway, I'm Caitlin, I'm Jamie.
This is the Pectel Cast. Yeah it is. It's a
podcast about the portrayal of women in movies. We're here

(01:07):
today and we're talking about another movie. Man, We've got
to like kick out the energy. We gotta turn it
out to eleven right now, maybe I should have gotten
my mix hard. I'm gonna I'm gonna crank it up,
frank it Up. I have a song in my Spotify
called crank it Up. It's a theme to my favorite wrestler.
Who's your favorite wrestler? Who? Big show? Big show, big show.

(01:30):
He's big and he's at the show. He's very big.
He's a he's maybe seven feet tall. He's a giant.
Can we change the subject? He's a big show. Should
we introduce our guest? Yes? Cool, she's the best. She's
a comedian. She's a writer for a g Q. It's
Sofia Ben Hi. How are you good? How are you guys?

(01:50):
We're good. You have brought us a movie that we're
gonna be talking about. I almost called it The Princess Bride.
That's not it at all. What is it? Runaway Bride?
Runaway Bride? Tell us about why you picked this, what
it means to you, your history with this movie. So
I started talking to Jamie about movies that I loved,
and all of my movies are like very romantic comedies

(02:13):
from the nineties. That's the theme of that list, occasionally
seeping into like early two thousand's rom coms, Loder aimed
at teens. Uh So, after looking at that list, I
talked with Jamie and I thought this movie is probably
one of the earliest movies I ever saw that was

(02:33):
made for adults. I'm going to apologie as an advance

(03:00):
then and say that I'm sorry for how much I
hate this movie. Fine, I'm not mad. Yes, just wait.
I love a good shouting match, though, um, I don't
think it will get to that, but who knows. It's
the Bechtel Cast. Anything can happen. Do you think we'll
ever get into a fight, not like a yelling, like

(03:20):
a fistfight. I just imagine I want to get a fight.
You're going to flip a table a favorite wrestler, so
I would not fight you. It's true. I want to enlist. Yeah.
Big Show is about to retire. Oh god, we're talking
about this again. Oh my god. Okay, fine, let's talk
about Oh can I actually I wanted to clear see
if we're clear to discuss a topic that I would

(03:43):
love to talk about. But I don't know if everyone's
down Richard Gear's butt dribble. I'm so damn I'm here. Okay,
do you are you aware of the lore associated with
Richard Gear and the dribble within his ass? It sounds
vaguely familiar, but I don't really remember it's it's I
have the Snopes tab open right now. In regards to
Richard Gear and the gerbil, it's it reads. A hoary

(04:08):
urban legend reports a celebrity was taken to a hospital
emergency room to have a gerbil removed from his rectum,
and said celebrity was Richard Gear. Um Snope says it's false,
but I want to keep that hope alive. It wasn't
just that. Apparently there's like a sexual thing where you

(04:29):
put a gerb that episode of South Park of Okay,
that's from the rumor of him shoving a gerbil in
a tube of his ass, which is like they have
to be able to mechanically do that. By now, like
you can you can get it to that has something
moving inside of it, by you would say, like you mean,
it doesn't have to be a live animal animatronic. As

(04:51):
a mother of a hamster, I can endorse putting a
gerbil in your ass. Hey, let's talk about the movie. Okay.
You grew up with it, you like it a lot. Yes,
I'm not. I'm not like I think there's a huge
difference between your favorite movie and the best movie. Like
I definitely don't think this is a good movie, and
I would not. This is like on the edge of
what i'd make my boyfriend watch, Like if we had

(05:12):
just fought, or like he had done something kind of shitty,
I would definitely make him watch it, like his punishment. Yeah, Like,
it's not like, it's not like Cinderella Story where that's
like if he slept with somebody in front of my
face and I was like, we're watching Cinderella Story tonight.
It's my turn to pick a movie. But it's definitely
like he said something shitty about like my sister or
something like that, and I'm like, oh no, no, We're

(05:34):
watching a Julia Roberts movie. That's how I feel about
this film. That's good. That's good training it is he
knows how to behave don't pee on the rug, or
I'll make you watch a Julia Roberts movie. There's a
joke in the movie about being on the rug. That's
there is there is there's a joke in the movie
his ex wife has a new husband and he's laughing

(05:57):
on the rug and she's like, if you pee on
my right. That's the guy who's a limo driver and
the Princess Diaries. Hector Losy. He's in all Gary Marshall's movies,
weird like Friends. He's also like um in Pretty Woman,
which also are stars Julia Roberts and Richard Gear if
you're willing, all stars, which I am our stars are

(06:18):
also in that film together. Interesting, I well, because is
this doesn't even know? Is this the first time they
reunite since Pretty Woman? Or I think it's a sequel.
It's a Pretty Woman. Really? Yeah, I okay, I haven't
seen Pretty Woman in a long time. But so much
of this movie I had fun watching it. It was

(06:38):
very confusing, particularly towards the end, like the sequence of
events is just baffling. As a kid, there were things
that weren't sucked up about it that are now and
like that's really really packed up. Yeah, Caitlyn, do you
want to summarize it? Sure, we'll let me start by So, Jamie,
you hadn't seen this movie before, right? I had not neither,
did I? So I thought watched it recently. So the

(07:02):
story is ludicrous, It's fine, all right. Richard gear is
a calumnist at the USA Today and what a funny job.
He's like always trying to find his next story. He's like,
what do I write about? And he means this guy
in the bar. The guy's like, there's this lady she
runs away from weddings. Write a story about her. He's

(07:24):
a great idea, I'll do it. And in this world
everyone reads the columns in USA Today and yeah, and uh,
the columnists are famous. You can recognize him on the
street right there. What's your next story for USA Today?
So he writes this story about this woman who he
doesn't know, uh, and he ends up getting some facts wrong.

(07:46):
So the woman reads it a k. Julie Roberts, and
she's like, uh, got a fact check, sir. So she
writes a letter to the editor gets them fired because
he was yeah, by his ex wife because he said
she ran away from uh seven or eight weddings, but
it was only three. So you know, this very high

(08:06):
stakes story that he messed up a little bit. Getting fired.
That's a big mistake. What yours do you remember? Yeah? Okay,
so we were just coming up with Clinton presidency and
I feel like the world this was the news. You know,
like things were good back then. You have to remember that,
like what the standard of what's a news story is different?

(08:28):
That makes And also I do believe that that is
a story that would appears. Yeah, I don't know. I
believe that this story would be of interest. I don't
believe that Richard gear could make a living as a
USA Today a weekly columnist. That got me a little stuck.
But maybe maybe I don't know what the going rate
was in who knows, Right, it's not so much that,

(08:50):
um sure, it's like it's a human interest story that
might be seemed to some people. The fact that he
gets fired over like getting a few facts wrong in again,
what's a very low stake story. Like if he was
like like a story about North Korea, right, if he
wrote Kim Jong Il ran away from seven or eight weddings,

(09:10):
when Kim Jong Il and actually only run away from
three weddings, that would be a fireball offense, right anyway,
So he decides to go to this small town in
Maryland where this woman lives to get the story straight
once and for all. How he goes and he meets
her and she's like, you're a bad man, and he's like,

(09:32):
I'm just I'm here to Basically, he wants to see
her run away from another wedding because she's about to
get married again to Bob Christopher Maloney, Poor Bob. Bob
doesn't get the bud gets kicked around in this movie.
He's a good gunser cover pretty well from it. Which
is also an insane plot point that he's still two

(09:53):
days after he's dumped. He's like, you're the wedding that
should have been his wed which is the brightest part
of this movie. But why would you go? First of
all that that is a testament to Bob's resilience. He
bounces back immediately. He's like an emotion ferous. Yeah, he's

(10:14):
like an emotionless coach. You know, he doesn't have time
to put his feelings on the field, even when it
comes to Julia Robbert. That's true. That's true. Really have
to think about the fact that he's willing to give
it his all. There's this weird line of dialet when
he's at the wedding. Uh, well, I'm sorry, I like
just took us to the end of the It's I mean,
what happens in the middle almost nothing. They hate each

(10:35):
other then they start to like each other very abruptly,
might I add, but this specific or like, yeah, very abruptly.
But just a wedding dress though, let's put that out there.
If IDUs your wedding dress, that's a pretty serious step.
That's true. I mean, daddy, I would love someone to
just bring me a wedding dress. Amen, it brought me
a wedding dress. But like, all right, well we've already,

(10:55):
to quote Julia Robert's character, we've already got a date
and venue dress. I guess we should get married the okay,
So basically I do agree with you that basically nothing
happens for about forty five minutes except like Joan Cusack
gets upset at one point, but then she's fine. Uh

(11:17):
So there's like a Louis not even a character, it's
just Joan Cusack is in the movie. That's pretty much. Yeah,
like just upset and she's joaning out hard. In this movie,
she's like Peggy Fleming, not the ice skater. Yeah, what
a weird joke to make such a bad joke. It's
a terrible for like a romantic comedy. There's almost no

(11:38):
trace of comedy in this movie. I found nothing funny
about it. It's funny because her dad is an alcoholic.
That's funny. One funny line of the movie is when
her dad is drunk and calls the dog Porthole. I
think classroom joke, and I have considered getting a dog

(11:58):
and naming it Porthole. And no one will know what
I'm talking about. But to me, I'll be like from
run Away Brad. But then someone, someday someone will know,
and then you're going to be married by me a
wedding dress, right, and probably Richard Gear. Richard Gear. I
love Richard Gear so much. He's one of my faiths.
I don't care what he's done with Gerbils, but he's

(12:19):
so annoying in this movie. He's well, his character is
like why well okay. Questions about Richard Gear in this
movie include why did people not just ask him to leave?
And why and in particular, why is he allowed to
stay with Julia Roberts family. No, he stays at a

(12:40):
break in. She breaks into the hotel. Also, her family
loves everybody. Her family loves him, they trust him, they
love except for the dog Porthole, who barks at his
colorful hair. Crazy. That was a fun Frank. What a
fun Frank in this funny movie. It's like in Big
Fat Liar when they make Paul Giamatti blue. You're seeing

(13:01):
that it is that. It is like that. That's a
good movie. The one joke that I do like from
this movie is the pun that is the hair salon name,
which is curl Up and Die, but die spelled d
y e like hair die. I like that. And Peggy
Fleming's husband Corey has a radio show called Wake Up

(13:24):
with flem. Yeah, that's another good that was exciting thrill.
There's some small town charm in this movie. I just
I felt I felt so bad for Bob. Okay, so
there at is it the wedding rehearsal. Richard Gear is
allowed to be there because Julie Roberts is like, give
me money for a nice dress and I'll let you

(13:47):
tag along for the third act of this movie. And
then they're at Julia and Bob's rehearsal and they're like,
rig your gear, you be the priest. They make him
be the groom, and then Bob is going to be
the priest so that he can watch her walk down
the aisle and not break eye contact with her because
they set up that like that's the only way she'll

(14:08):
marry you is if you don't break eye contact. That
and what a terrifying president of the It's so it's
like it is kind of funny how even Julia Roberts accepts, like, yeah,
if you don't make eye contact with me, I might
I might just leave. And there are times where she
and Richard gear A like, Okay, this is a bit much.

(14:31):
Your guys are making fun of me too much, but
like she still is like, yeah, I run away from
a lot of weddings. What's interesting too, is that this
was right around the time that she had left Keefer
Sutherland at the Altar two days before their wedding in
real life. No way, Yeah, she did that during the
filming of the movie Hook, and she like ran away

(14:51):
from the filming and like went to London and Steven
Spielberg had to go get her because she was running
away from a wedding from Keefer Sutherland. Whoa god, I
had no idea. That really brings a whole fun element too,
I had no idea. Wow, poor Kiefer know he's had
quotes about it later that was like I understand why

(15:11):
I'm like I know you cry every night, Roberts. God,
oh man, but what a what a strong showing of
of of manly strength. But but okay, So, how Richard
Gear and Julia Roberts finally get together romantically is that
Richard Gear is standing in for Bob because Bob is

(15:32):
practicing making eye contact like a good husband. And Richard
Gear and Julia Roberts kiss for like forty five seconds.
It's so long, it's so uncomfortable, and you don't see
it coming, and everyone in the at the rehearsals like
what is going on? Like Bob starts to flip out rightfully,

(15:56):
so he's practicing eye content and he's like doing the
right thing. Then you know, Bob is like we're breaking up,
you know, goodbye, And then Julie Roberts and Mr just
shrug it off, you know, don't go after Bob, and
we start planning. I was like, this is the meanest,

(16:17):
most fucked up, toxic thing I've ever seen in my life.
I want to see what happens next. Well, the reason
that no one saw it coming that they're suddenly kissing
is it it's a poorly written story beat, Like there's
no build up, there's no like it's just to me.
It was just like all right, no, they're kissing now
at this rehearsal. It's very sudden. And then they're like,

(16:39):
all right, yeah, Bob's gone. Now I have a dress,
I have the church, I have the date blocked off
on my calendar. Why don't you and I get married?
Guy who I hated until two moments ago. Have you, guys,
not ever seen any other romance and comedies? I mean
this one. No. I mean I love a good roman to,

(17:00):
I love all of them, particularly the j LO one,
but but this one, this one, the change was so
abrupt that even in as a as a rom com lover,
I was like, wait a second, this is yeah. And also,
Julia Roberts way to make it clear immediately that you
were not invested in marrying Bomb even a little, because

(17:20):
the second he was like I don't know, She's like,
you're right, I'm gonna marry this guy. I do think
it's kind of reasonable because there's the two hottest people
in that town, so you knew they were going to
That's true if you're the two hottest people. Even if
someone's about to get married to someone else, you're like, well, yeah,
someone hotter comes along, you're like, well, we don't know.
We never got to see Bob in the suit. That's true.
If maybe he could not like a Kendall, like even

(17:43):
down to his hole anatomy, like probably he's just this
non sexual but very fit man. He's got a sex lump.
He doesn't have a venus. I think that's true. He's
got a sex lump that it's really hot. But then
it's yeah, that's how I imagine Bob and his sexuality.
But then if you give him a little kiss, it

(18:04):
cools downs. A little kiss um, Caitlin's triggered. Triggered. Uh no,
I just this movie is so profoundly stupid to me.
I thought it was fun and also just like another
there's just like a lot of really like bigger than
usual round calm hard lefts where at first it's like

(18:25):
it is funny because her dad's an alcoholic, but then
very suddenly it's like it's set because her dad's an alcoholic,
and then by the end it's like it's kind of
funny an alcoholic to be fair as somebody who has
a dad who's an alcoholic. I feel like that's really
the emotional journey it's like, okay, alright, well it's kind
of funny. Well that was a good joke. Thank you

(18:45):
for providing a punchline for my childhood and read can
we talk about this movie is two hours long? Is it? Yeah?
Roncom should not be longer than like an hour forty tops.
This movie is cloud in just under two hours, and
it's there is a long period where nothing really happens,
but it's all it's it's that's when they do all

(19:06):
the round calm goofs and Pratt falls and laughs. You
really have to get all the information about that small
town in there, and like Hail Maryland. If you can't
get all of the shots of har Hail Maryland. And
there's us a line called curl up and Die, and
he's like playing with the barbershop quartet, and it needs
like the baker woman Betty Betty Trap. I kind of

(19:29):
shipped her and Bob but then and she's married. But
well there's that other there's that girl, that horny woman
who chases after Bob and it's like Bob, oh may
this is a bad time, but here's my phone, and
they're just like see look, people are already excited for you.
I'm like, dude, just got broken up with, like left
at the alder by. You if that don't shout encouraging

(19:50):
things that poor bob, Bob's needs so much. Therapy means
so much. Julie, do you think he and Julia Roberts
have ever had sex? No, she didn't know. He has
a sex lump. Theyve he springs himself upon her on
the floor of their kitchen. I think that probably like

(20:12):
because he has a sex in wrestling, not the same thing.
Oh no, no, no, we've known. We've found one of
Caitlin's spots. My my sex name is big Show, Big Show.
He's got beard right now. The woman who I think
it's the same character who runs after him right after
he's gotten broken up with is it her cousin who

(20:33):
introduces herself in the movie as I'm Maggie's unmarried cousin.
That's how I introduced myself. I'm Caitlin Comma. She's making
a joke, not a good one, but a joke about
not being married because he's writing the column about getting
married a bunch of times. It's not a clear or
good joke, admittedly, and it sounds just stupid. But maybe

(20:58):
maybe she just wants to put it on into the
He also was hot, so maybe they're trying to set
up that, like she's being like, I'm single. You know, Yeah,
I felt for well, I guess I didn't really feel
for Joan Ki sax role in this movie is fun
because she was. I mean, I feel like she's sort
of gets better roles now, but she was like the

(21:18):
Judy Greer of her time. She's never had a she's
never had a starring role in a movie, like I literally,
really my boyfriend. I have gone through her im v
P page looking for She's like, he's always like a
sport you never had to start. Like. She's huge. Everyone
knows who she is and she's never had a movie
where she's School of Rock. She's in everything. She's my dreams.
I want her to be true Detective season three. It's

(21:40):
just her. Yeah, just dude, that would be great. She
oh man, she's due for what does the Yes, yes,
it's going to be a Joan. I kept wanting to
say Black Snake Moone, but that's not the movie that
that Matthew mcconnughey was good. And when what's the one

(22:01):
where he's Alice Buyer's Club, Yeah, Dallas Fire's Club for
Black Snake Moon three words maybe three word titles there.
But but Jon's role. Joan is clearly caught in one
of those weird hometown friendships that has run its course.
But there's not anyone else to be friends with, and

(22:21):
so she's letting Julia Roberts just wave her nips at
Corey and and it ends up being like but and
it becomes an issue too, and I'm like, oh, is
this a b plot? Where? Where where is this going? Nowhere?
Joan qus just like it's interest just what you're like.

(22:43):
It's just what you're like. It's fine. I was like, man, John,
stand up for yourself. I do wish I'd gone further, admittedly,
but I think it's an interesting question of like a
lot of people have friends that are really flirtatious and
it's like very uncomfortable where you're like, I don't really
know what to do, right, And Joan is so nice
and she loves Julia Roberts so much, but there that's
like the attitude of everyone towards Julia Roberts in that

(23:05):
hometown of like this is just how she has what
she does. No one offers any advice or help from
a storytelling point of view, the fact that like opportunities
for tension just aren't capitalized on very much. Like she's like,
do I flirt with your husband? And she's like yeah,
but it's okay. Like there could be just like more

(23:28):
conflict intention from the opportunities like this, but they don't
milk it, and it just that makes it for just
not a very interesting story to me. I mean, it's
good that Joan and Corey are secure enough in their
marriage that they don't need to make a thing of it, sure,
but also i'd be like Corey made cool a little
bit cool on Julia. I mean I think the point
of that is like that everyone in the town is

(23:50):
in love with her because she's like the only hot person,
right right, I mean like that's like the guy the
desk guard let her lets her into the hotel room
of Richard Gears Like she flashes us. She's like, you're
commit a felony. Bacon bacon enter, that's fine. Can we
talk about the eggs? I was hoping that this came out,
Thank god, motif. Wait what her Viking? The eggs like

(24:12):
every time with the guy she likes the kind of
eggs that they like. She doesn't know how to be
your own person. It's a metaphor, what's there? It's beautiful.
I think about that all the time. Every time I'm
eating eggs, I think about Julie Robertson, Like do I
even like these eggs? Or just a guy? I want
to like these written It's crazy that Richard gear says
a word for word three separate times. Oh yeah, how's

(24:35):
she like her eggs? Shouted at men as they're leaving
a room. Oh yeah, you think here are how she
like her eggs? I think I'm going to get that
tattooed on my eggs like her eggs. Ram turns out
she likes eggs Benedict. Yeah yeah, but she tries all
kinds of eggs on her own when she's finally single.

(24:56):
She finally learned being single when you figured any kinds
of eggs I want, When you figure out what kind
of eggs you like, that's when you know you fixed yourself. Yeah,
i'd be like you want, I like over easy. I
do think they're the moral of the story. What they
were going for is a good moral of like you
have to learn how to be alone and who you
are and not with other people. That's like a good moral.

(25:17):
That's not the moral of most romcoms, how to cook
your own eggs, because most romcoms are the opposite, where
they're like this independent woman who doesn't want a man. Instead,
they leaned into being like, okay, there are people that
like give themselves up for sure whoever they're with. But
I feel like that would have hit a little more
if she had not married, or if this have been

(25:37):
a good movie. Right, But I mean, that's not why
we're here. It's just a saying like it's a good
lesson poorly executed because her character is like who I
can't even describe her. They're like, she's quirky, but is
she not really She's still kind of just well, according
to John Cusack, she's quirky, and that's different from weird, right,

(25:59):
which is also different from what was souther adjective thrown
around the net scene. I remember, you know, because Julia
Robberts says like I'm weird, which, first of all, grow up,
She's like, I'm weird, and then John kiss like, you're
not weird, You're quirky. It's different, very darings. Yeah, but
with with Joan. Joan uses another word to describe herself.

(26:21):
It feels like she's selling herself short. Yet again, I
agree that I wish Joan would have been the star
of this movie. If that's what you're leading to. My god,
I would love if Joan were the star of this movie.
But to loop back into the thing of like her
not ending up with Richard Gear, her point when she
was like, here's why I couldn't marry you is because
with the first three guys, they didn't know who I was.
And then with this marriage, when I tried to marry

(26:44):
you the first time, you knew who I was, and
that scared me because I didn't know who I was.
I have to go find myself. And then she finds
something she's like, I'm ready, So it's not like entirely
she sells her lamps and she knows who she is now.
By the way, I love how they say in the
early early in the movie that her degrees in industrial design,
which I think whoever wrote this movie thinks that that

(27:06):
means that you take industrial looking things and design them
into stuff, which is not what industrial design is. But
that's funny way to go, is it. Gary Marshall who
wrote this, he directed it. Jose Anne mckimmon and Sarah
two women. Never again? Should that happen? Can we? Okay?

(27:29):
One thing that I really do want to talk about
is Julia and Richards. I don't remember the character's names.
Maggie and Ike's first wedding where she does run away.
That is a very funds I did not think she
was going to run away. Here's the thing. I thought
that that was going to be the end of the movie.
Turns out there are twenty more minutes. Anyways, she does

(27:52):
run away, and then there's an amazing extended product placement
for FedEx. It say, absolutely amazing. Down to Yeah, down
to they say what the slogan for FedEx was at
the time. Yeah, because he's like tomorrow morning. Right. But

(28:15):
she Julia Roberts runs away from Richard Gear after Richard
Gear shouts when she starts to leave, lock the doors,
which trapper stop her, keep her here against her will.
That's what marriages. This ceremony can recover from what's happening
right now. The ceremony can recover from the bride not
wanting to get married, right like, yeah, just about face,

(28:36):
she went the wrong way. She's going to marry me.
We know each other for two whole weeks. What I
do think it's crazy is at the very very end
when they get married again, like for real, this time,
she did it, she goes through with it, she buys
another fucking dress. Oh yeah, yeah, that's true. And they're
not on that kind of budget. She works at a
hardware story here, he's a USA Today columns not anymore.

(28:58):
He got fired. Here's tell that story to g Q.
I guess is if g Q would want what do
you think? What do you think would want that as
a cover story. I think I think they would. Why not?
Why not? I had it? That's like if Daniel from
the Vans, you know, Damn Daniel, if he ran away

(29:19):
from a wedding. I think we don't want to know
Dan Daniels runaway wedding. They didn't have internet celebrities back then.
They just had like, you know, newspaper celebrities, right. I
feel like the last celebrity of the runaway brad Kind
was that astronaut who are a diaper? Agreed? And I
love her, actually, I love her. Talked about her with
somebody the other day. She's really important. We should we

(29:41):
should have her on the show. It's not my show,
but we should have we should, we should we should
bring her into the fault a little more because she
I mean, if we're going to talk, we usually say
women in STEM at least once every podcast because we're
allies and we love women in STEM. You can get
specific women in STEM rule, but also asked for not
women diapers, run away bride. Really, she's she ran towards

(30:04):
lost she was, and there were no time for bathroom
breaks and her journey. I respect that. I respect the
funk out of that. I don't know if I'm not
familiar with this story. O, man, we'll have to talk.
It's going to be a long time. I'll look it
up on my own. The overview is like there were
two astaurants at NASA, a woman and a man, and

(30:25):
then he started dating somebody else and she got really
mad about it. So she drove like something unreasonable, like
eleven hours something, wearing a diaper to go confront him
and like attack the woman. And so she was charged
with like, oh, planning to murder something. I think I
assumed that she was wearing a diaper in space, like

(30:45):
space diaper. Oh no, no, no, no, no, diapering up
a real, a real she was in a car and
she's like, I gotta get their ACEP. No time to
pull over for arrest, stop piss and ship myself for True,
she might have like not eaten, you know, just like
made sure she was fine. Yeah, it was premeditated. So wait,

(31:08):
you know, she might have been a really big planner.
It seems like it. I mean, you've got to be
meticulous if you're an astronaut. True, maybe she had the
diapers already. She's never know when you're space diapers and face. Yeah.
Maybe yeah, maybe that's her road trip thing. And it's
not a bad idea for a road trip, and the
failing press did not point that out waymestream media, extream media.

(31:33):
Why isn't there a movie about her? That's the Really,
that's a million dollar question. That's crazy. All right, it'll
look at the life rights and then i'll make sure
it passes the bike. They'll test. Yeah, oh my god,
every line of dialogue will be passing the test. I
do like that she proposes once she runs away from

(31:54):
the wedding the first time. I kind of like that scene. Yeah, Um,
I don't necessarily like the scene, but I'm so sorry
that I hate this movie so much. I don't like
the scene, but I like the woman being the one
to propose. I thought they do that with Julia Roberts
a lot, it seems like, because I'm also in notting Hill.
She is like very much the male the character. She's
very unlikable in that movie, which I love, like she's

(32:17):
not fun and like kind and she's successful and he's
kind of a bumbling idiot. So they kind of did
it a little bit with this movie too, I feel
like where they're like, you be a man, right and
and at the time I was like, oh, what a
novel and interesting thing to make our to make our
friend Julia do I liked. I did like that the
first time Richard Gear delivered that very clunky on aalog

(32:39):
about like the marriage of like when marriage and you
and someday love her, both of us who want to
get out of it and yeah, maybe leave, but then stay.
And then she has to verbade him deliver that same
clunky monologue back to him, where she's like, it's like said,

(33:00):
maybe leave and he's like, I will marry you. Like
I just I like to see I like that we
saw on screen a woman proposing to a man. I
have a real problem with the traditional like you're you're together,
you want to get married. Maybe you've talked about it,
who knows, but generally, if you're in a HEATERO relationship

(33:23):
and you're the woman, you kind of just have to
wait around to be asked to and it just like
takes out your agency, you know. So I like this.
She's like, you know what, I want this saying I'm
want to go out and ask for it and try
to get it. So I like that part of it.
I did also like that they didn't make it a
big deal, like it wasn't likely to People kept being like,
and she proposed, Yeah, like that movie weep Here with

(33:44):
Amy Adams, Yeah she proposes, but it's like a whole
thing that she's allowed to propose because she's a woman
on weepy or day or something. I'm like, you can
do it any day. They're like, it's opposite day. So
it's um just in terms of woman character, probably the
woman in this movie who has it together more than
anyone is Richard Gear's ex wife. Yes, I think that

(34:07):
that was like an ex wife character. They can very
often be made to be shrewish, especially because she fired
him and that could have been made to seem like
a vendetta thing, but it wasn't. She was just doing
her job. And they have this very I mean, very
weird scene where Richard Gard pretty much kisses around the
mouth in front of her new husband. I didn't love that.

(34:29):
But for the most part, she seems to have it together,
and she's like, I accept that our marriage. You know,
she's not pining after him. She's his boss. She fires him,
but not her feelings, and then she attends his Honestly, Okay,
if I were her, I would attend the Julia Roberts
Richard gear wedding because it seems like such a bad
idea that like there's a little petty redding in there.

(34:52):
Because friends though too, Like I just remember the guy's
named Fisher. Fisher's her new husband. Yeah, I love him.
He's great. Hector slay me, ride my limo any day.
Yeah that's a euphemism. Actor. Yeah, I referred to him
a vagina as a stretch um, but he, like I

(35:13):
liked their friendship. It seems like he's like a clueless
idiot x in a lot of ways that had no
idea why they broke up and like all that, and
she was like, look, I've moved on with my life,
but by the way, here's what you sucked up. And
I loved that because that's like how I don't want
to be as an excess, Like we can be friends,
we're fine, but here's like you're a mess and I'm great.
And the ex wife whose name I really don't remember,
but and her new husband, Fisher, they have a great relationship.

(35:34):
Fisher is not jealous that Richard gear Is, you know,
works with her or is around. I was like, man,
this couple is very stable. I wouldn't want to see
a movie about them because they're so stable. They're in therapy.
They literally talk about how it takes three people to
make their marriage work, Me, Fisher, and our therapists, and
that looks like it's working. Her name is Ellie, by
the way, Ellie so, and I so, I'm I'm pro Ellie,

(35:56):
I am pro Jones, I'm pro jo, I'm pro everyone
in the movie except for your Deer. Sometimes there's a
lot of really good women in the movie. I think
the Grandma's adorable classic horny Grandma loved that. I wrote
down some of my favorite lines from the movie, including
it's funny when a grandma says, penis that's the that's

(36:18):
the cord. I bet someone said that in a meeting
and they're like, you know what, that's true. History has
proven it's funny when a grandma's penis right. I like, well,
they give her like the button in a bunch of
different scenes, as though what she has said is a
funny laugh line to go out on and it's usually not.
But I mean she's wearing it on her it's fun joke.

(36:40):
One of my favorite lines in the movie is she
says innocent girls are terrified with the one eyed snake.
When I was a virgin bride, I took a knitting
needle to bed with me. What what is a weapon
to shove up? I love it. That's a fun joke.
That's one of the better jokes of this movie. I

(37:02):
love that she calls it a one nighted snake and
she was a virgin and scared and she was going
to get militant. She was like, let's get right to
stabbing your dick. There is nothing funnier than a scared virgin.
For interpreted as when she first said it, is she
gonna like try to like butter herself up with a
knitting men. Know, like that's what I thought she was saying.

(37:23):
I liked I liked torny Grandma. I mean it would
be Betty White today if it were cast today, that's
Betty White. Yeah. The past ten years horny Grandma characters
and that that grandma and made she rest in Peace
probably most likely rest in Peace. Probably made a ton
of money on that and it was went, you know,

(37:44):
travel the world and was all horny Grandma there. She's
probably sent her like two grandsons to college with the
money she made from run away. That would be so nice.
And then they're like, you know, that would be cool
if you hooked up with a guy in college and
he's like, you know what, I can afford to go?
Here go. My grandma said, Penis, that's amazing. I wonder
when her grandson's went to college, and I wonder if
I affected them. I can't wait to find out. If

(38:05):
that were the reason I could afford college, I would
tell everyone. That would be like my pre hook up
story is why I'm here. I want to talk about
wedding culture. First of all, the hashtag wedding this movie
while it's like, yeah, you've got to find out who
you are first before you can pair off with someone else.

(38:28):
That's good, but it's still like marriages the end goal.
You're not successful until you've married. It's kind of also
the message it's sending. I feel like this movie like,
I don't know, nine, that's that's a tricky I feel
like that's like around the time where that mentality was
like maybe dying but not dead yet. Well, Sex and
the City hadn't happened, so people didn't know it was

(38:49):
an option to be Samantha, you know what I mean
right right, Like it wasn't cool to be a fun
slot yet, which was like, thank god, we can all
be fund slots. Know. I love being a fun slut
because like back then the movies were like Parent Trapped
and it was like let's wear beige and like be
a mom, you know, like that was the roles for
women were like a mom. Yeah, And and this movie

(39:12):
doesn't deal with it in a great way for sure,
But I don't know. It's weird that I feel within
a few years of this movie coming out, that mentality
slowly started to dissipline. And I'm sure it did have
something to do with sex in the city, because like
right around this time is also just a little bit
before it was like You've Got Mail, and if you
watch that movie, that gets a much better written romantic comedy.

(39:33):
But the the aim of the main character is not
like sex or fun. It's like dating a nice guy.
And that was like all romantic comedies and nineties were
like I want to date a nice guy right and now,
and then right after it was like fun sluts, you know,
which is great. I'm just saying that's like very part
for the course for ninety eight. I feel like even so,

(39:54):
weddings still happen, and I just want to talk about
how they're a huge money making scam. Yeah you heard
it here. First, guys, wedding, If you have a wedding,
you're throwing away your money because like, first of all,
why are there so many different events for what should
just be one of it. Because you've got like your
bridal shower, you got your bachelor or your bachelor party,

(40:18):
You've got your rehearsal and your rehearsal dinner, and then
you've got the wedding itself, and then you've got the reception,
and then you're supposed to go on a honeymoon, and
sure you're like celebrating this great thing that's happening in
your life, but it's just it comes with so like
you gotta document it with a videographer and a photographer
and it's gonna be flowers, and you gotta buy addressed

(40:41):
thousands of dollars, and you have to book out a
venue that's thousands of dollars, and you gotta stationary in
the get hard to believe that all of that would
make me happier than a two target gift guard. Absolutely,
like absolutely, there's no way that I that somebody would
offer me either that or like even a fifty other
target gift CD to be like that sounds really thrilling.

(41:03):
That would be the better choice. I don't know. I
I really do enjoy weddings. I don't know. I like going.
I love that when other people have them. But then
I think about, like, oh, you don't have dollars for
a party, Like who, what life do you live? You'd
have to live a very different life in my world
to pay for the Also, the idea of a wedding

(41:23):
ring alone, just like paying for a rock, that's so
much money. I'm like, do you know you can buy
a car, get a factional thing. Let's get back tasts
back tattoo for less. Yeah, it's exactly. Let's get screams
that match. I could get like, we'll get your matching
worm tattoos someday. No, you could literally just get like

(41:46):
the whole script of Shrek tattooed on the back of
your body. Yeah, that would be a fun couple activity.
I love Shrek. There, I love Shrek. Why didn't we
do Shrek? I would have loved to do that. It's
crazy that we haven't done a Shrek episode yet. I
think both of you guys so much, and just keep

(42:07):
watching Shrek over and over. Um. The I like weddings.
I don't like getting too involved in weddings because when
it comes to the point where I was a maid
of honor last year and I had to fly across
the country like three separate times to do like I
think bacherette and then wedding, and then I missed something
or other and everyone was mad. Yeah, I didn't love

(42:27):
you're putting Not only are you putting a financial burden
on yourself, you're often inflicting it on a bunch of
other people. Oh yeah, I mean and and usually the
people closest to you that you love. Yeah, You're like,
let me funk these people. Are you gonna buy this
this dress? And I have to get you a juicer.
I would absolutely make my worst enemy my made of honor, Like,

(42:48):
there's no bigger funk you than you need to take
care of this party that I'm planning. I am excited, Okay,
I do want to have oh like I'm wedding someday
and I have all these fun pranks planned we can do.
I want to put like a wild card in my
bridal party, like someone that like I'm not particularly close to,
but like just really just guilts are into being in

(43:11):
my bridle party and being very close with everyone else
and everyone being like, who's this person? Um? And I
also have this plan for my whole life, uh where,
And it starts at my wedding because I forgot to
do it at my college graduation. Uh where. In every
major event in my life, I want there to be
someone dressed in a in a Scooby costume, like a

(43:34):
mascot costume, but being like the background of the picture,
you know. And then at the birth of my child
will be in the background of the picture. Uh, we'll
have well, I'll have to have a guy. I can
have a guy for higher I gotta I wanted to
have a ring bear and have the person dress up
in a full bear a man like a little child costume. No,

(43:57):
it can't be cute, and it has to be alarming.
Want my wedding to be very alarming. I want everyone
to feel like they had a bad dream. I'm going
to ask people that aren't my parents to walk me
down the aisle, but like, not even close to me.
They're just like, don't even get me started on all
the implications of that. Like I want to get stunt
doubles for my parents to do flips like the whole

(44:19):
like father giving away his daughter, It's like, well, are
my daughter's property property? No, I bestow this property onto
this other man who And oh, yeah, you got to
change your name now because my dad and the man
I married to do like a Brittany Madonna style kiss
and pass my spirit my dad like now you're the

(44:41):
princess of pop. I really want my dad to end
up like Richard gear in this film and to end
up kissing the groom and and then not me and
that's how we find out my dad's I want to
get cooked in my own wedding and lunch my dad
and my beloved make it and maybe go further in

(45:02):
my wedding at least, and I'm fine if they go further.
A little tweaking, Yeah, a little yeah, do what you
feel is I would enjoy a wedding if that happened,
but I don't, like I want to be cillar. I
understand like wanting to throw a celebration for this important
day in your life. But even if you don't do it,
guess what, you still can be married if you fill
out all the paperwork anyway, or if you just hang

(45:24):
out for seven years. Yeah that you just live together
for a while and then you'll be married. But um,
I understand like wanting to like throw a party, but
doesn't need to be as extravagant as what we're doing
and what we have been doing for decades. No, I
don't think so. No, it is financially irresponsible for most people.
I don't like it. Yeah. I just have a joke about, like,
would you have the same wedding if you had to

(45:44):
invite a kid that was like starving to your wedding
and like probably you'd be like, oh, thirty thousand dollars
is not a good thing to spend on a party
with the world like exactly, like the world is so bad,
could save eighteen families, right, yeah. I you love listening
to people talking about the specifics of their wedding though,
because it's always so serious. But if you're even one

(46:05):
step removed from it, you're like, this is the dumbest
remember in my life, Like my my my cousin got married,
and that she would I would hear her on the friends.
You'd call me crying because like she wasn't rustic enough.
She'd be like, I, really, my mom didn't want to
pay for the tables that because I want the tables
to be barrels, because barrels are rustic, and I don't

(46:27):
understand why we can't afford enough barrels and didn't It's
just like any this problem is big. This is a
big problem. My own gotta get those barrels. My really
only requirement is I'm going to walk down the aisle
to It's only Africa by Toto. That's like absolutely, because
you're gonna get so amped from that that like it
doesn't even matter who I'm marrying, but I'm just gonna

(46:47):
be like I'm in by the time you walked on
the aisle to Africa, you'll marry literally any literally is it?
Bob Costas? Who is it? I don't care? Put them
up turn around. That's how I feel about wantings. Sorry,
weddings are fun. I mean, maybe it's because I don't
get invited to them. Maybe that's why I hate them.
I really Here's another call from my cousin Ja. I go.

(47:12):
I lost the cornhole game and I was painting the
cornhole game because his arrested game to play. And no,
my husband doesn't want to. He's not my husband yet,
but he's gonna be my husband and the no one's
gonna be able to play cornhole. Are they still married? Yeah?
So far, so good? How long has it been? Uh?

(47:32):
Four months? All right? At last it's gonna ridge is
always do because I think this one's gonna I think
they're gonna make it. Those crazy kids. We got the cornhole,
we got the barrels. She's she's twy five, guys. I
really hope my cousin doesn't listen to this, and I
don't think she does. I can edit it out, leave

(47:56):
it that. I want to know if she listens. I
think people shouldn't get married until are like thirty five
at the earliest. I think people shouldn't ge married into
the I've already been married once before and and affected up,
like you have to do it one time and everyone's like,
we know this isn't seriously, but we're just gonna do
like that one and then you get divorced and you
like try again. Updated guys who I'm like, you would

(48:17):
be a great second husband. I'm definitely gonna refer to
my husband as my first husband. That people introduce husband.
It's like, oh are you guys, Like, no, we are,
we just got married. I want to keep him on
His toes were very in love, but we're truly in love.
One of my favorite lines from Jurassic Park, which I
know this is not the movie we're talking about, but

(48:40):
Dr Ian Malcolm a K. Jeff Goldbloom says, yeah, I'm
always on the lookout for a future x Mrs Malcolm
knowing that he's gonna follow someone get married and get
divorced and he's just realistic with his expectations. Yeah, it's
like that song I'm only going to break, break, break, break,
break your heart. I it wrong. There's a lot of

(49:01):
songs where rappers are like warning women that they're going
to break their hearts. And I love that because it's like,
you're honest, you're real, right, and then you can just
present the receipts in the form of the top forty
sick right. So yeah, I love rom coms. I love
love I love rom coms because it's like, I'm not
supposed to like vapid, dumb things and I'm leaning in hard. Yeah,

(49:23):
I'm just like this. I love The Bachelor. I love
Jane the Virgin, Like, wait, we're gonna talk about Jay
the Virgin is my favorite show in the world. I've
seen it all the way through twice. It's it's amazing,
good everything, catastrophe and good rom com No, I do
like I've only seen the first season, but I do
like that show. Excellent or Amazon Original Day The Vision
is the best show on television if you like. People

(49:44):
talk about it. I don't know. It's so woman and
it's very self aware. I love it. Gina Rodriga shines
every week. Every week. Team Michael, Yeah, whoa whoa controversy. Um,
are there any other thoughts that people have on the
movie Away Bride, I will say that there are a
lot of good speaking roles for women for different kinds

(50:05):
of characters that are like not the same role or
not just putting them in the same like Shuill woman
best friend, like it was a little weird different. They
are all white. It is a very white movie, as
many movies are. There is a I think a reporter
who is like at the finn the wedding that they

(50:27):
attempt and then she runs away from with Richard gear Um.
There's a woman of color who's a reporter who's asking questions.
But other than that, and everyone's pretty white. The older
women we see as horney grandma. Oh yeah, yeah, so
we do see some represent older women. So that's honey grandma.
Uh check um. It does pass the Bechdel test for sure,

(50:51):
so that's good it doesn't. There's a scene where it
passes pretty early on whenever Joan Kuzak and the other
lady friend whose name I forget, the cousin unmarried cousin, No,
not Betty Trout either. There's a with like a poof
hair thing. She's an older woman too. Yeah, she says

(51:12):
I'm going to focus on your eggs, Bob. While she's
working at the dinero, they come in and ask Maggie
if she's seen the call um that Richard Year has
printed in the Say today, And she's like, yeah, what
a funny joke, you guys. And she's like, you told
us not to do any bachelorette jokes because is that

(51:32):
a thing? He? I guess so so, So there's that
conversation happens again in the hair salon again Carl up
and die, which is what I wanted to do when
I watched this movie. They are talking about a chair
for a while, we're talking about a dog. They talked

(51:53):
about kinds of stuff. It's not a man. They're fun friends.
As you were saying that, I was thinking about how
I don't think Shrek passes the Betel test and out
freaking it doesn't. It doesn't, It doesn't. It doesn't. Well, yeah,
because there's Fiona and there's Arthur other there's no other
speaking part for women other than give him the chair.
When the woman yells that when he's beating someone up

(52:15):
that yeah, Shrek man, it's problematic. It's problem that it
came out before Night eleven. It did it come out
like two months before one? Can I tell you my
favorite fact about a movie ever? And I was also
about to say one of my favorite movies does not
pass the Bectel test. Master of Disguise. Fun fact about

(52:35):
the Master of Disguise. You know that scene, that famous
scene from the Master of the Skies, the turtle turtle scene.
I have not seen that movie. Everyone's seen this scene.
Have you seen the turtle? Are you kidding me? Aristotle?
Aristotle seen it? Shout out to Aristotle's Danta Carveys only
movie that he's the star of. It's the last movie

(52:57):
he's the star of. It's not a great movie. But
um I wrote a bunch of essays about it a
couple of years ago. And I listened to the commentary
track and this iconic, very bad scene and this very
bad movie was filmed on September eleven. Wow, they kept
going after that. They said that in the commentary track,
they were just like because it was Dana Kurfey and

(53:20):
the director and they were just like, oh, Like when
the turtle scenes started, they're like, oh, I was like,
why this is a great scene and they're like, oh yeah.
This was on September eleven, two thousand one, and uh
we had to stop filming for a couple of minutes
and uh just have a moment of silence, but you
know we had to finish. The scene. Was like, man,

(53:41):
Shell must go on. The show truly did go on. Oh,
I just wanted to say a few of my other
favorite lines of dialogue the movie. One of them is
when Richard Gear shows up to the baseball game that
people playing in. Maggie goes there. He is again snoop
doggie dog. Yeah, that is a good that's a good quote.

(54:05):
I don't know what it means. I'm still thinking about it.
He's like snooping around her. But that's like not a
response to snooping. That's that's stuck with me. To another
The Titanic makes a Snoop Dogg reference to they name
one of their deep sea cameras after Oh, I was like,
what how does Jack and Rose know about Snoop dog

(54:27):
came from the past. There's a passenger from the future.
What an actually watch The Titanic if Snoop Dogg had
been on it, I will not watch that film. Like
Snoop Dogg has been a prevalent cultural force for decades.
That's all I'm saying. My other favorite line is when

(54:49):
Maggie goes, you wouldn't know real love if it jumped
up and bit you in the armpit. Armpit learned. They
were like instead of asks, what are we gonna do?
What are we gonna do? What are we gonna do?
You can't say dick? How about armpit? We cans I dick?
How about one eyed snake? There's I liked that. That
would seems like one of those things of like, let's
just change the dialogue so TBS doesn't need to change

(55:10):
it later. God love TBS. I love TBS movie edits
They're so good it should be everybody to look And
I came here at a party. Are we ready to
to rate? Let's do it all right? Um? So we
rate on a five nipple scale of how you feel

(55:32):
the movie treats it's women characters, and uh we we
usually describe the nipples. Do you want to go first? Sure?
I would give it. I'm gonna say I could give
it two and a half nipples. Again, I'm gonna give it.
Uh both of John cusacks nipples and a half. I
had horny Grandma nipple. Nice yeah, i'd say I want

(55:54):
to give it like two nipples. Um. It does bother
me that, like such a huge emphasis is placed on
marriage and pair bonding, and that's like what you're supposed
to be doing if you're a young woman and you
gotta find men boom with Um, something's happened that I
don't mind. I think you're okay. Um. Largely, I just

(56:16):
think this is such a sloppily poorly written movie that
I can't I don't like any of the characters. So
with that said, two nipples they belong to the drunk dad,
oh sad leaky alcoholics. Nipples to alcoholics. Heavens that leak

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like the leak booze out of them, and they can
suckle on them if they run if they're Ye. I
don't mean to be making light of alcoholism. I know
it's a serious problem in disease. How about you. I'm
gonna go with I would go with three. The only
thing that I really have an issue with is that,
like you said, everyone is white, so that that might

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being that might be a two and a half, but
I was gonna go three nipples. There's a lot of
speaking roles for women. There's a lot of friendship for women.
There's um more than most movies. They let women actually talk,
even if they are annoying women. Um, which women are annoying?
That's real, Um, not all. I'm just saying there's some
women who annoying. I women are annoying. Women are sluts

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all across the ballard. Look, I think I'm an annoying
sled if someone called me that accurate, like, yes, you
know me, you get me when Yeah? No, but I
think there was some accurate portrayals of parts of womanhood
in that movie. Um, so I'm going to give it
three and all three nipples are coming from Porthold the dog.
Oh hell yeah, oh yeah, he's got a plenty of Yeah,

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he's got up to six. Yeah. Oh well, row Away Bride.
Uh Kaylin hated it, Sophia, and I liked it. Uh
ultimately a weird movie that people probably don't watch that much. Yeah,
but you could. You should if you wanna, you know,
waste to two hours. Okay, relax anyway, Sophia, thanks for

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being here more. Can people find you online? You have
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