October 7, 2024 • 60 mins
In this edition of Dr. ManhatTrend Is So Dope, Jack and Miles discuss their respective weekends, Donald Trump's return to Butler, PA (feat. Elon Musk), anti-war protests around the globe, toxic fandom appeasement and the underwhelming box office performance of Joker 2 and much more!
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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Learned enough small talk to know to just like follow
the score and then be like, that's this goddamn pitching?
Or what happened to their bats? Their bats fell asleep?
Huh man? They called Bruce Wayne, Yeah, what is this
the batcave? Because the bats fell asleep? Here is that?
(00:23):
That's probably not? What what is this? Wayne Manor because
the bats fell asleep? What is it? What is it
three in the afternoon? Because I think the bats are asleep?
What am I? What? What? What is it?
Speaker 2 (00:34):
What?
Speaker 1 (00:35):
Am I? What? What?
Speaker 3 (00:36):
I just watching that first game though, too, I was
like watching Yamamoto pitch, even though he wasn't on the
team last year, Like we just we just don't do
well when we get smacked in the mouth early on,
like when it's in the postseason and there's like barely.
Speaker 1 (00:53):
Pull it off like in Game one. But we'll see
different energy like another city that has or like even
another team like the Mets, if they start having postseason success,
it's like this wave of like energy and excitement. But
with the Dodgers, it's just like disappointed expectations. Like if
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they you're just like especially now, yeah, you're just rolling
in being like they better fucking do it tonight, you know.
Speaker 3 (01:22):
And yeah, it's almost I think like American professional sports.
Speaker 1 (01:27):
It that's just what happens too.
Speaker 3 (01:29):
Like there's just momentum that builds. It's never about like
you have to truly be an underdog for like your
whole fan base to be like to have that kind
of mental resilience to be like, no, we're gonna be
all right, We're gonna be all right.
Speaker 1 (01:42):
Yeah, there's something has to like switch in the whole,
like dynamics, the metaphysics of like baseball fandom. For like
them to just not feel like there's like pressure on
them is like my kind of vague psychoanalysis, like what's
wrong with them? I love that look. And yeah, we're
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gonna throw shit at you from this lost start kid.
Speaker 3 (02:11):
I mean still, I'm pretty sure Dodger Stadium is like
the worst place to go to if you're not.
Speaker 1 (02:17):
Wearing a Dodge Dodgers fan.
Speaker 3 (02:19):
Yeah, you could go to like a Beyonce concert and
wear like a Twins hat and get jumped somehow, like
just because it's at Dodger.
Speaker 1 (02:27):
Statement like that, Hello the Internet, and welcome to this
week trend edition of Guitar. Yeah, yeah, this is a
productive of Art Radio. It's the show where we take
a deep dive into American share consciousness, and it's the
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episode where we tell you what was trending over the weekend.
We also tell you a little bit about ourselves by
telling you an overrated, under rated. I am Jack O'Brien.
That over there is Jack O'Brien, mister Miles grow and
I'm Miles Gray this week, yep, you're my your I
will be playing with Miles Gray this week. Thank you
(03:10):
so much. I'm actually Miles Gray is understudy, but I'm
you're nailing it, by the way, Steve, You're nailing Thanks
so much. Just Miles is and credible.
Speaker 3 (03:19):
Thanks so much, Banjo, Eric really looking forward to another
sick week talking about Arsenal and Weed.
Speaker 1 (03:25):
That's yeah, yeah, that's pretty good. Pretty Your name's.
Speaker 3 (03:29):
Me, Miles Lakers, Weed, Arsenal, Japan rap.
Speaker 1 (03:37):
Sneakers.
Speaker 3 (03:38):
All right, gotta go cold brew. Thanks for that, producer, Brian,
I mean Brian the editor. Fuck I'm getting I'm still
learning the part. I'm still learning the part.
Speaker 1 (03:46):
Yeah, yeah, that's Brian the editor. But we'll we'll we'll
fix that in post Man and we'll pitch you up
a little.
Speaker 3 (03:51):
My favorite topic, cold brewed coffees.
Speaker 1 (03:55):
Kind of sounded all right. Miles quotes. Let's let them
get to know us a little bit better by telling
them something we think is underrated, something we think is overrated.
A dealer's choice where you want to go? Uh, let's
do over over first? Yeap ye see that? Yeah, let's
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do it. I liked it. Look, I'm playing the part
of Myles.
Speaker 3 (04:21):
I'm just letting my wings just spread wide, and I'm saying,
let's just just do it.
Speaker 1 (04:25):
Reverse, let's go, let's go over all right, you want
to start, you want me to start? Why don't you start? Okay?
So my overrated is the scariness of being chased by
a fast guy versus a slow guy. Okay, So logically
I should be more scared of a person who is
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fast and trying to kill me, sure than I should
be of Jason Voorheats, who is slow and trying to
kill me. When I watched that movie, you know that's
the Uh, he's slow, he's relentless, kind of lumbering, and
even like when I think about the parts from Scream
where it like takes me out of it, it's when
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ghost Face looks like he's in a hurry. By the way,
he brought to you by Halloween, this being the spooky
month of Halloween. I've been thinking horror movies. Yeah, when
you see him kind of physically trying to be like, oh,
you had to you had to kick in an extra gear. Huh,
so you're not. It almost was like, so do you
do this normally? Yeah? Yeah, yeah, exactly are you trying
so hard? Why are you so fussy?
Speaker 2 (05:28):
Man?
Speaker 1 (05:28):
Why you seem so nervous? You're kind of clubsy cutting
around those corners, my man. Yeah, yeah, when he's running,
that really fucks me up. That takes me out of
the whole screen sake. And then like the fact that
it took us fifty years to invent fast zombies or
however long you know, it took us decades to invent
fast zombies. Zombies were just slow, lumbering but incessant, you know,
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determined to get them brains, to get in them brains.
So I've always been wondering about that, and I kind
of just attributed to Yeah, they looked like a little
silly sprinting around in a hurry, But I just I
do feel like there is something bone deep about like
what is scary about Jason walking after you with determination. Right.
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So then, and this is another This is another edition
of Jack shares what he heard on a kids science
podcast over the weekend. I will not apologize. I heard
this episode of Radio Lab for kids about how our
ability to kind of relentlessly run down prey. It was
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the thing that like put us in a position where
we could like have enough calories to like grow our
brains evolutionarily. Like the way we hunted was just by
moving at a slow, steady pace after animals that could
like sprint away and then them down. Yeah, and just eventually,
after hours and hours of like tracking them, they would
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you know, be exhausted and just and we would just
like walk up to their keeled over, exhausted forms and
just like calmly smash their brains in with a rock.
Like that was that was what our ascension to the
position of super predator look like. And the reason is
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actually so so my my very loose theory is maybe
this is why humans walking are scarier than humans like
sprinting is because it's just like a slow, steady approach
is like we know somewhere deep down we're like, ah, yeah,
that's that's bad. And also the secret weapon is like,
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we're sweaty. So animals most animals can't dump heat the
way we can because they don't sweat. So the animals
that we were able to get like, they pant and
so panting and running you can't do those two things
at the same time. So I also wonder if that's
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maybe why wet people are scarier than dry people. You know,
what do you mean wet people are scarier? Don't you think?
Like horror movie like Jason's always wet. I feel like
dry horror movie villains less scary than wet horror movie villain.
Speaker 3 (08:29):
I guess it doesn't for me. The wet part. I'm like, whatever, Bro,
you're gross either way. Like it's like a hat on
a hat. At that point, it's like, oh, you're a
killer and a wet right, I'm my brother. The fact
that you're a killer. I'm more personally, I'm more freaked
out about the fast zombies because when I put myself
in that situation like Brough, I don't have a fucking
cardio for that, And then I'm like, that's a fucking rap.
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I can trick myself into thinking like I could maybe
outwit the slow moving like yell of horse.
Speaker 1 (08:56):
But it is definitely like you're more logical to me
first some reason, just like from the start, I've been
more scared of slow people than like just and maybe
it's because I started watching horror movies too early too,
and that's why. But that's my loose theory is it's
because we are scariest when we're slowly, relentlessly pursuing something
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and and we know that at some level.
Speaker 3 (09:20):
Well, and I think there's also something something like metaphorical
too about like our our issues we have, like as humanity,
where we have these slow moving problems that eventually might.
Speaker 1 (09:30):
Kill you might get it. It's like, I don't know, man.
Speaker 3 (09:33):
Like the other ones, the fast moving ones, we'll deal
with those real quick, right whatever, And they're typically the
scariest ones.
Speaker 1 (09:41):
So no, I see there's there's a there's a logic
to this that. Yeah, Jason could also be a metaphor
for climate change. I see that as well. Everything is
these days anyway. My overrated is masculinity.
Speaker 3 (09:57):
I was is that a karaoke bar, ok okay, And
I was going to the bathroom in a urinal. Another
guy comes in, goes two urinals down, from me leaves
the middle one open. I get that if you're you know,
there's one person there and maybe you don't want to
caose up to someone. But then like a couple of
younger dudes came in and there's an open urinal, like, oh,
(10:19):
dudeis piss so bad, and like the other dude joking
is like dude, hey, go ahead right there the middle
one between these two dudes and the other guy was like, nah, dude,
you know the rules and they were like yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (10:30):
It was so weird. I thought they were joking.
Speaker 3 (10:33):
But then like I had finished pretty like by the
time they had said that, Like I was just finishing,
and then the other like the other guy next to
me had finished, and then they.
Speaker 1 (10:43):
Just avoided the middle urinal and just started peeing, And
I was like, what the fuck is this shit?
Speaker 3 (10:49):
Like it was like a weird internet meme come to life.
These guys are like maybe twenty two, like early early twenties,
early twenties, and it was like half joking, but in
a way where I'm like, bro, if you have to
piss that bad, what is the point of like evoking
some weird like Reddit image you saw where it's like
what's the perfect urinal or like, oh, you will become
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betified if you go to pee. It was just a
very odd moment, Like I keep having these like moments
in public bathrooms where I'm seeing where society's going, Like
the same way when I was at that soccer game
and the dude was like hey English or Spanish and
was doing that whole like joke meme. I explained it
where they say, like they say the first person to
speak is gay, and so like they would do these
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videos where people in the she would just be like
silent because like I'm not I'm not going to be
the one who loses this.
Speaker 1 (11:36):
And I was like, in real life.
Speaker 3 (11:38):
Really we're doing this, yeah, the fucking urinal thing because
someone is in the stall, probably doing drugs or some
shit because that shit was not open. And then but
it was just weird to then see this, Like I
knew it wasn't totally serious, but it was serious enough
that their first instinct wasn't to immediately relieve themselves in
an open.
Speaker 1 (11:57):
Urinal right, No, man, Yeah, the rules you know that
I've seen in a meme like.
Speaker 3 (12:03):
That you dog, that's you, that's you, bro. And then
like me and this other guy. I think we're probably
closer in age, like left, and I'm just like washing
my hands and like, oh, and then they go to
pen like jipiss so bad, and I'm like, okay, sure,
masculinity maintained.
Speaker 1 (12:20):
Maintain.
Speaker 3 (12:21):
Now go back out there and sing whatever you're gonna
sing or don't sing, because I wonder if you're one
of those guys.
Speaker 1 (12:26):
Like us for females bro to belt out a tune. Yeah,
did you see if those guys ever went up and
say I like that?
Speaker 3 (12:32):
I completely was just like, God, like, just throw that
on the pile of weird things I see every day.
So anyway, yeah, just go to the bathroom. It's just
also weirder to hear people debate about which urinal to
use in a bad It just all very strange. And
it's all we all pee, man, we all got to pee,
and that doesn't change. You are fundamentally based on where
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you go and if you happen to be next to
another person with the penis while that's happening.
Speaker 1 (12:58):
Yeah, that's all right, you're good. Sorry. That's why when
I go, when I go to the bathroom with a friend,
we hold hands next to each other. Well, yeah, you know,
just to let people know, just high five constantly. Who
sounds strong? Yo? Give me twenty four? Yeah, all right?
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My underrated is just kind of old shit in the zeitgeist.
I was seeing a lot of like old shit, old
ship being in the Zechust. Obviously on this podcast we
track like new war stuff, news stories, things that are
happening right now in the zeitgeist. I wish there was
a more consistent, easy way to track like what was
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coming through the zeitgeist that was old and like inexplicable.
Like I was just randomly over the weekend seeing a
lot of like Beatles jokes and Beatles like observations on
Twitter for some reason, like yeah, the Beatles like that
that band. Like there was like but White Album jokes,
jokes about Paul McCartney White album joke, Like what do
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you mean? They were talking about like Rocky Raccoon, like
that song, OK. And then they like somebody else like
posted a clip from the White Album and was like
this song, like is it's so weird that the song
like goes so hard and the Beatles are so square?
And then there was like a joke about like Paul
McCartney versus John Lennon's like songwriting style, and I don't know.
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I just feel like when we think about does zeitgeist,
we think like about what is happening in the news,
and then it seems like sometimes everyone's just randomly talking
about the same thing for no reason, right, you know,
like it's just like a song gets randomly stuck in
everyone's head at the same time. And I just like
wish there was some good way to track that, and like,
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I don't know, like I'm sure a smarter person could
use that to predict like the upcoming election, but like,
I just I don't have a theory. I don't know
why randomly everyone was thinking about that album this weekend
for a reason. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (15:13):
I think it's like one of those things where it's
like if enough people have enough foundational knowledge on it,
and it sort of there's an upward trend. Well because
you know, Twitter works like once shit starts popping, then
everyone kind of gets their take off to sort of
you know, get in on like the fun of whatever
the trope dejore meme da jour is.
Speaker 1 (15:32):
Yeah, yeah, but yeah, I don't know, I don't know.
I uh, I wish I knew enough about the beatles
to to have made sense of that. I was just like,
what the fuck are the why are we talking about this? Bye?
Why is this motherfucker talking about I just got talking
about this, dude. I got so bad for tweeted Lennon's
song show Me the Source of the Leak that Drips
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and turns Honest men. Week McCartney song Terry the Plumber
is an honest man. He'll fix your pipe as fast
as he can. Temp change. It's pipe time, key signature change,
typo change, tempo change. He loves pipes. He loves pipes.
It was just a weird, random observation about how silly
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Palmer Pattany's asses when he's writing a song. I love that. Yeah,
Hey man, all right, myles, what is something you think
is under underrated?
Speaker 3 (16:23):
Which comic book character appeals to you and what it
might say about you?
Speaker 1 (16:28):
So you take a quiz this weekend.
Speaker 3 (16:30):
Yeah, took a lot of quizzes because they all kept
coming up with not characters.
Speaker 1 (16:35):
I liked it.
Speaker 3 (16:36):
All kept saying I was Jubilee and I'm not Jewbilee.
Speaker 1 (16:40):
I'm Doctor Manhattan.
Speaker 3 (16:42):
So I've been watching WandaVision and it's pretty good. I've
been saying that, though, I think about the last couple
of weeks and I like that again, I appreciate that
I don't need to have seen every single MCU thing
or know every single MCU thing to enjoy it.
Speaker 1 (16:55):
That's like one of my favorite things about it. But
it's also it's a fun watch.
Speaker 3 (16:58):
But I was also like when I watched him, like yeah,
dude Vision, Hell yeah, dude, that guy's cool. He's super powerful,
he like keeps it cool and he's not like tripping
on some ego shit. And then I was like, thinking back,
I was like, I also when I was first getting
into The Watchman, I was like, hell yeah, dude, Doctor Manhattan,
this dude focks. But then I was like I wasn't
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getting into therapy and sort of interrogating things about my
own self. I was like, yeah, why do these robotic, emotionless,
hyper powerful figures appeal to me? And again, when you
do enough introspection, and it was just something because like
this wasn't something I worked out from watching WandaVision, but
I just remember like that sort of a human thing
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where it's like this guy is cool, and then I
was like, wait, you know why this person's cool to
you right, because I think the first thing, like, I've
been pretty I'm always somewhat at odds with the fact
that I'm pretty introverted, like I can be, I'm like
an extroverted introvert because at the end of the day,
for me to recharge, I cannot have people around me
like I have to be I have to I have
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to fuck off to mars like Doctor Manhattan does, and
people like where'd he go? I'm like, I'm sorry, Like
I just can't be around anyone. I need to just
sort of I need to center myself in solitude at times.
And then the other thing was the robot robotic part
of these characters. These characters seldom voice their own emotional needs,
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and this was something that I struggled with for many
years because I, you know, culturally and you know, being
like a man, and also coming from cultures where being
vulnerable is not a huge thing. Talking about your emotional
state isn't is It wasn't as normalized as it should be,
and I had to do a lot of work to
do that on my own. I was like, oh, right,
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that's something that I've that's always been sort of a
cause of and solution to my problems, which is the
lack of voicing my emotional needs. And so as I
watched it all, it was just kind of funny to
see that thinking re emerge as I see another comic
book character and I'm like, this guy's built on AI
but he has technopathy and all these other cool fucking
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powers or whatever, but he's not. He's not He's struggling.
He has no the humanity is not really there.
Speaker 1 (19:12):
Did your therapist ask you, like, what fictional characters you
identify with or that just like kind of came up again.
Speaker 3 (19:18):
No, I just I know something I realized because I
remember when I first read Watchman. I was like, dude,
this guy is fucking dope. He like, cause I'm like,
in a way, I was like pumping myself.
Speaker 1 (19:30):
I'm like, sometimes, dude, people are just.
Speaker 3 (19:32):
Tripping about shit, and I'm like, these are like human problems, man,
like you got to see the bigger picture, like.
Speaker 1 (19:38):
Not everything's worth tripping over.
Speaker 3 (19:40):
And then I was like, oh, no, I'm not addressing anything,
Like I'm just acting like things don't affect me because
it's easier to do that than to like really sit
down and try and work something out. So it didn't
come up that way, although maybe when Watchman Guy kept
bringing up Watchmen in therapy and she's like, wow, you
really talk a lot about her Manhattan address, Doctor Manhattan.
Speaker 1 (20:00):
Yeah, exactly exactly.
Speaker 3 (20:01):
I'm like, you know, it's pretty cool though, because like
he could, like he could do anything he wants, yet
he's not not fully evil, you know what I mean.
I think that's pretty cool, and like, also, you know,
he's like Visus just omnipotent, omniscient and all that kind
of stuff.
Speaker 1 (20:12):
And I'm not going to take the fact that both
the you're overrated and underrated could be read as you
wanting to show people your penis as anything other than question. Yeah,
they were bald guys with their dicks out, they're dark
part of my person. You had been at that uh
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you had been at that year for forty five minutes,
pants all the way down around your ankles.
Speaker 3 (20:43):
Oh yeah, fun out, but fully out. What's that thing
on his butt? It's a hydrogen atom. I got it
tatted on my yeeks.
Speaker 1 (20:52):
That's right. Yeah, I do feel like, yeah that I
don't know, I feel like that should be a therapist question.
It's like, and who are the fictional characters that you Yeah,
most identified with growing up, and you would just like
learn a lot.
Speaker 3 (21:06):
The modern person, who I think has learned to sort
of process a lot of things through comic book characters.
Speaker 1 (21:11):
It probably is telling Like I like.
Speaker 3 (21:13):
I thought Wolverine was cool, but I was like, no, bro,
this dud's out of control, Like any's kind of gross,
Like that's not really me. And then I'm like, oh,
the flying sort of like ascetic religious person who's like
simplified and wise, Like I was like that was trying
to hold that up as like a thing.
Speaker 1 (21:30):
But anyway, yeah, check it out.
Speaker 3 (21:32):
Let us know on your who's your favorite character of
comic book character and what does that say about what.
Speaker 1 (21:38):
And what to do your problem? Yeah? Yeah, I do
feel like if future historians are not too bored by
the American Empire, they'll probably look at superhero characters the
way that we like have looked back at like ancient
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Greek myths and be like, ah, yeah, they were real
fucked up. Huh right right right, yeah, anyways, uh cool,
Let's take a quick break and we'll come back and
talk about some of the news that happened over the weekend.
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And we're back. We're back, and Donald Trump returned to Butler,
Pennsylvania for the first time since the assassination attempt, and
the resulting rally was about as insufferable as you'd probably imagine.
He began a speech with as I was saying, and
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everyone was like, he's got a new bit. He starts
off the rally with as I.
Speaker 3 (22:49):
Was saying, as I was saying, the late great Hannibal
lecteror what call fuck?
Speaker 1 (22:55):
Oh no, no, yeah, you brought out The Sunday Times
kind of did a finally of what his speech was, like, yes,
and it's pretty like I think this is the first
sort of honest summary of a Trump speech.
Speaker 3 (23:12):
I think a lot of yeah, a lot of news
outlets that aren't the New York Times and tend to
report a little bit more on the progressive end of
things or just more objectively have been like when is
when are they going to actually be like this guy
is this guy is suffering from a decline, and you
guys are just just going just you know, glazing, glossing
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right past it. Not glazing necessarily, But the Sunday Times
they said, this is what it said.
Speaker 1 (23:38):
Quote. He rambles, He repeats himself. He roams from thought
to thought.
Speaker 3 (23:42):
Some of them hard to understand, some of them unfinished,
some of them factually fantastical. He voices outlandish claims that
seemed to be made up out of whole cloth. He
digresses into bizarre tangents about golf, about sharks, about his
own beautiful body. He relishes a great day in Louisiana
after spending the day in Georgia. He expresses fear that
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North Korea is quote trying to kill me, when he
presumably means Iran. As late as last month, mister Trump
was still speaking as if he were running against President Biden,
five weeks after his withdrawal from the race.
Speaker 1 (24:17):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (24:18):
So then they go on to say that the overall
the piece is just saying, like the rhetoric is just
so different than the first run at president he had.
It's more long winded, more disconnected, more rambling course or
far more prone to swearing. So it's just like a
it was like the you know, one of those first
times that they're really articulating this idea that like not
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everything as well in this guy's head, he's saying things
that don't make sense, and he's running for president and
could potentially win, and we are one of the most
consequential news outlets in the country, so maybe maybe they're
maybe that's the October surprise. We noticed Donald Trump's mental decline,
and it's like, that's not a surprise.
Speaker 1 (25:01):
Second, none of this shit is making any sense. Yeah,
so that was the content of you know what he presented.
There were reports that the rally would be structured to
honor Corey Comparatore, who was the guy who died at
the last rally, rather than focus on Trump. Undercutting that
theme slightly, Trump did a flyover of the rally and
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Trump Force one while the theme music from Top Gun
was blasted.
Speaker 3 (25:29):
I heard about this and it's like, not even exciting
because it's not like a jet.
Speaker 1 (25:34):
It's like anyone who lives.
Speaker 3 (25:35):
Near an air like near an airport, ath to an airport,
You're like, oh yeah, there's a thing even like buzzing
the ground.
Speaker 1 (25:42):
Obviously who knows, but wow, okay, Trump Force one. The
event did feature some mentions of Comparatoor, like one guy
live finger painted an American flag behind his image for
some reason on stage, which like I've seen that like
live painting thing be done, but it's usually like, you know,
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you're painting a portrait or something like that, and it's
done quickly. But this was it looks like a finger painting.
The guy did well. It was in the background.
Speaker 3 (26:11):
It was also like the kind of thing where it
looks like the guy had pre painted a portrait of Comparator.
Speaker 1 (26:17):
It's a photograph of Comparator or a pre drawn thing.
And then he painted the background the American flag in
the background, and then revealed the that it was yeah,
and I was like, oh, okay, this is cool. Sure.
Speaker 3 (26:34):
I mean, because the other thing that happened in the
late last week was there was there was like leaked
audio of how Trump kept making jokes about Comparator's widow. Yes, yeah, yeah,
He's like, I had the check for her, you know,
millions of dollars to just to to help her, and
you know, she said, this is all fantastic, but I
would just love Corey back. And I don't know many
people who would have said that with a check for
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that much in front of him. You know a lot
of people probably wouldn't. And he kept like he did
a version of that. I think at the RNC, like
lightly did it.
Speaker 1 (27:02):
And people are like, what the fuck, dude, So yeah,
great way to honor him. Yeah, but then he was
also doing it at like fundraising dinners with like a
bunch of millionaires and billionaires, and compared Tour was, you know,
a blue collar, working class guy and also just kind
of undercutting the solemnity with which they were treating him. Jd.
(27:25):
Vance opened his speech by saying, I believe it is
as sure as I'm standing here today that what happened
was a true miracle, which is kind of which part. Yeah,
you know, I mean, the right guy got let's just say,
you know, it's a miracle. Look, don't they believe in miracles? Right?
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And I hope you do.
Speaker 3 (27:49):
You always have a friend wearing lifted shoes.
Speaker 1 (27:52):
Hey, but yeah.
Speaker 3 (27:54):
Then there was like a moment of silence that was
so it's like disrespectful even to the concept of a moment.
Speaker 1 (28:01):
Of silence, truly a moment.
Speaker 3 (28:04):
Yeah, just a moment, not even a moment, dude, a
fucking moment of silence. Here's where Trump is asked the people, Hey,
you know, it's to commemorate at six ' eleven when
the shooting occurred. You know, that's they wanted to mark
that moment with this moment of silence that was truly
a moment.
Speaker 4 (28:21):
At this time, it is six eleven, twelve weeks to
the minute that the shooting began. I would like to
ask everyone to join me in a moment of silence.
Speaker 1 (28:38):
Don't And then they started playing Ave Marie. Yeah, Church,
I don't know, do you need church bells? Yeah?
Speaker 3 (28:53):
I feel like it's silent, isn't it. I forgive me
if I'm misinterpreting this. It's a moment of silence.
Speaker 1 (28:59):
If it was possible for him to cover the silence
in gold le May paint, he would have done it.
You know. It's just he's got it. You can buy
it on a hat on a hat.
Speaker 3 (29:08):
Yeah, you can buy this Trump Golden Moment of Silence
for forty nine thousand dollars. It has one hundred and
twenty diamonds in it vs one clarity.
Speaker 1 (29:16):
Yeah. Well, good for him, so yeah. And then, of course,
the big thing that got people's meme engines revving was
Elon Musk showed up in an Occupy Mars T shirt,
wearing a custom made dark Maga baseball cap and started
jumping around like an excited toddler in the candy isle
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of Costco. He really does that shit, like I've seen
him do it so frequently, so like, yeah, coming out
at like his little you know, corporate pep rally things
where he comes out and everybody's excited to see him,
and you know he's within the comfy confines of his cult.
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But this, yeah, he's still just out here jumping with
his hands in the air, looking looking pretty strange.
Speaker 3 (30:07):
He really and he had like his dark maga hat on.
He's like, come on Eline He then Trump was kind
of like mumble mumbling through his name.
Speaker 1 (30:17):
It's the jumping that really is. He's bunny hopping.
Speaker 3 (30:24):
Take over Elanya.
Speaker 1 (30:28):
Trump everyone.
Speaker 3 (30:29):
Yeah, the way he jumps, it looks like when my
kid watches Miss Rachel videos.
Speaker 1 (30:33):
You know they're like.
Speaker 3 (30:34):
Hop little bunny hop hop pop, and he's like, who.
Speaker 1 (30:38):
Is full of hunting? There's truly no one can jump
with that kind of joy. I think. Then that's kind
of what's pissing me off.
Speaker 3 (30:45):
This guy genuinely looks like he's like yay, But people
were zooming in on his eyes. If you look at
the picture that we have in the dock, if you
look at his eyes, there's a pain behind them.
Speaker 1 (30:57):
He knows he's about to land, and this is he
jumps like once a week and yeah, shit is not
probably not easy on that body.
Speaker 3 (31:05):
Just if you look at this just his face, it's
a very strange like expression for someone. I get that
it's a photo, but just like mid jump, there's something
it's like a doll's eyes.
Speaker 1 (31:19):
I think that's what I'm saying, is like a doll's life. Yeah,
so you know he was there.
Speaker 3 (31:25):
He got to do his shit too and be like
this is the most important election for me financially. Yeah,
but then made it I guess kind of about the
people that were at the rally.
Speaker 1 (31:34):
Yeah, he said it will be the last election ever
if Democrats win, which is obviously a wild thing to
say while supporting the guy who actively tried to overthrow
the last election. I will say though, for all the
quote unquote celebrities that come out to be to get
their like Maga on on a stage, he probably got
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the best cheer when he first came out. Yeah, people were.
Speaker 3 (31:59):
Like, WHOA, it's someone I recognize who's relevant right now
rather than someone who is a celebrity forty five years ago.
Speaker 5 (32:06):
Yeah, and they were like el loon. But yeah, he
got he got his, He got his. He got to
jump up and down and say a bunch of bullshit.
So we'll see if that helps. We'll see if that
helps expand the map.
Speaker 1 (32:19):
Yeah, Jake the Snake, everybody, that was the other option.
Jake the Snake. Roberts from WWF remember him, got him?
And oh shit, Elon actually made it this time. So
we've got We've got Elon Jake the Snake. If you
remember Yoko Zuna, he'll be out here later. It's all
going to be a fantastic moment. Fantastic moment, all right, Uh,
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anti war protests over the weekend dominated Zuna died. Oh
I didn't really see Jake the Snake was still alive.
Speaker 3 (32:51):
Yeah, even I was like Yoko's I feel like Yoko
Zuna died when I was a kid.
Speaker 1 (32:55):
Yeah, but that happened, okay, okay. Yeah. The White House
marked the one year anniversary of October seventh by you know,
croaking out the same bullshit about Israel's right to defend itself,
with kind of only a cursory mention of Palestinians, no
mention of the fact that much of the world spent
the weekend protesting the ongoing genocide and yeah, countries, it
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was everywhere across the world just saw massive anti war
protests over the weekend, including London. I think there are
tens of thousands who turned out to Mark for Peace
in London, which, as it was reported in The Guardian,
what a headache for the police. But yeah, yes, what
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a headache for the police.
Speaker 3 (33:42):
And yeah, I mean this was it wasn't it was
every pretty much most nations had some form of protest happening.
And DC it looked like a guy attempted to self
immolate and you know, was his arm like his arm
caught fire and then he was pretty quickly extinguished. And
colleges are also you know, colleges are back in session
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and they're doing things like canceling interfaith prayer vigils. If
you know, guest lecturers have had anything, you know, negative
to say about Israeli policy. But then like Yale has
Ben ship hero On for how quote how October seventh
broke America's college campuses very much needed, much needed discors
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back now at this time. But I mean, like, wow,
you know, reflecting on a year of this, I'm just
struck how used to death we have become, you know,
more than anything, because we Americans already had this unique
sort of callous built up on our souls, where you know,
we can.
Speaker 1 (34:42):
School shooting after school shooting. It's just like, yeah, I
guess that is what it is.
Speaker 3 (34:48):
But I mean, like now, when you look at the
scale of what's happening to Palestinian people, and you know,
with the kind of clarity that we have in terms
of the morality of it all, it's really it's bone chilling.
And Western media, colonial media, has created an environment where
sympathy can only move in one direction. Anything else will
be seen as an act of violence. Last week, right,
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I think a lot of people were talking about when
Tannahisi Coats was getting grilled on the CBS Morning Show
because he showed that there's a line you cannot cross
in sort of the mainstream accepted discourse because in his book,
he was treated like a criminal basically during this quote
unquote interview for merely saying that, you know, in my book,
I talk about how I went to go see what
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the situation is with Palestinians and how the Israelis are governing,
and what I saw with my eyes was a modern
apartheid state where ethnicity was the basis for whether or
not you were granted basic rights, and for that it
became very clear to me that what was happening was
not complex in the basic terms of who is granted
humanity and who is not, who has rights and who
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is not, And so that reaction, I think just reminded.
I think reminds me, and I think most people see
that to be able to acknowledge the humanity of Palestinian
people is just still a bridge too far in most places.
I was watching like MSNBC this morning because I was
very curious what the MSNBC version is of October seventh things,
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and you were just sort of treated to solemn interview
after solemn interview, whether it was parents of someone who
has taken hostage or rabbis talking about like, what you know,
the pain in their communities, which I think.
Speaker 1 (36:28):
Is all valid.
Speaker 3 (36:29):
I understand that really, but what it happened was it
was the complete erasure of Palestinian people and their experience
throughout all of this, and we've like, we just have this.
This a great American habit to look at a situation
and be like, we know these people are dying, but
we aren't going to talk about it because we have
to manufacture as much consent for what we want to
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do in terms of what our policy is and what
the military industrial complex wants. So complete, I mean, like
I'm sure net and Yahuo has probably brought a tear
to his eye to see that it was merely there's
like a near total erasure of what Palestindian people are
going through in terms of.
Speaker 1 (37:06):
Like what the one year coverage is.
Speaker 3 (37:09):
And we have an administration too that is like constantly
making the worst decisions in regards to this genocidal campaign,
and it's become absurd to the point that like not
even having a near supermajority of Democrat voters saying when
you pull them, what would you like see done? Stop
arming Israel comes up as one of the top things
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that that's not even enough to move the needle in
any meaningful way. So like with this system too, and
I think as a lot of the times I've seen
a lot of write ups too from foreign policy people
will be like, you know, what the Harrison administration could
do to differentiate or what needs to do is we
have to have some kind of accountability for the fact
that we absolutely have failed the palest Indian people. Is
that you realize we have this we have a right
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to vote, but I'm not sure you have a right
to representation, which I think there's a real big difference there,
because we talk about our ability to vote, but how
many like when we look at what is happening, what
is our ability to have our values represented? And that's
I think a place where we just fall terribly, terribly short.
Speaker 1 (38:13):
Yeah. I was kind of struck by a Harris campaigning
with the Cheneye at the end of last week as
Israel's all out assault on Gaza and Lebanon continues, and
just I was reading something about the exploding pager attacks
in the way that they justified it by being like,
you know, or at least implicitly. I don't know if
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they've even admitted it was them, but they were like, yeah,
but they were the bad guys and so basically they
can do anything. And just how reminiscent it is of
the war on Terror that America waged, you know, like
yet young children were blown up and killed by those
pager explosions. But it just it really feels like we're
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in the aftermath of that original war against everyone who
looked guilty to America and at a time when America
was like really not trying to be discerning now, you know, truly.
Speaker 3 (39:12):
We're like Iraq, Yeah, let's go there for nine to eleven. Right, Okay, yeah,
that works.
Speaker 1 (39:18):
But it just feels like once you do some evil
shit like that, you don't just get to turn the
hose off when your bloodlust is quenched. You know, you've
created a precedent, which net Yahoo has like used has
been like what about you guys. You guys did this
shit too, right, which, yeah, like you're saying, is why
it's so extra urgent for someone to do something to
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stop it and why it's extra frustrating to see the
Democrats who were refusing to do that instead campaigning with like, yeah, war.
Speaker 3 (39:51):
Criminals, yeah, like yeah, yeah, yeah, Dick Cheney, we love them,
don't we, folks.
Speaker 1 (39:55):
I mean that's the thing.
Speaker 3 (39:56):
Nan Yahoo was was a huge supporter of the Iraq war.
He said that nine eleven was When asked what he
thought of, like what nine to eleven would do for
in terms of like US Israeli relations, he said, oh,
it's very good, right, and he's like in that there
was a lot of like then he clarified sympathy obviously
for like what has just happened because you're saying in
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the like the horror of a terrorist attack would create
a lot of flexibility in terms of you know, it's
implied a lot of flexibility in terms of the violence
that could be inflicted when retaliating. And now it's like
the thing that is really to that point right about
you saying that this is a continuation of the war
on terror. Just look how much the rhetoric has changed
from October seventh, eighth of last year, when it was
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Hamas must be eliminated, and now we have the White
House saying Hamas the hoo thies, Hezbollah, Iran. Yeah, it's
just expanding now because again, like just like in terms
of how Netanyahu was looking at nine to eleven, it's
like when you have something where there's a loss of
life to civilian and you kind of get carte blanche
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to do some shit in the name of retaliation. It
doesn't even have to be logical, but you can use that.
And but I but at this point, I feel like
for a lot of people, the sympathy has been exhausted
to the point where now we're looking at you know,
obviously there's like the figures that the news will say
that like it's close to forty two thousand people that
have been killed in Gaza, when realistically that number is
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probably in the six figures when all said and done,
because that's just stuff like where you could you could
find someone that Yeah, now we're talking about an expansion
of hostilities, and you know the America is doing the thing. Dude, like, well,
obviously we're not. We're not, we're not, we don't. We
don't think all of that's good now, But who's to
say at the end of the day, Like you said,
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there's this country definitely once once they get a taste
of it, it's very hard to stop it. And yeah,
I'm that's like that was like what it was really
alarming about that statement from the White House was like
the number of groups that had been named, like identified
by name in connection to October seventh as a way
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to manufacture consent to like increased hostilities was very.
Speaker 1 (42:11):
Yeah, it's just amazing that they didn't end with et cetera.
And so right at the end of that list.
Speaker 3 (42:17):
Right with like an asterisk where it's like, you know,
this lineup may change at any moment, like a fucking
festival concert, like festival lineup for Coachella.
Speaker 1 (42:25):
Yeah, and I get that this is the anniversary of
the loss of you know, thousands of innocent Israeli lives,
and like, you know, like you said this, you know,
those lives need to be mourned. I just you know,
there are so many innocent lives being lost elsewhere that
are just not being acknowledged really anywhere in the Western media.
Speaker 3 (42:47):
And this is what this is what Tanehase Coats was
pressed on, yeah, saying, well, you know, did do these.
Speaker 1 (42:54):
People not lose their lives?
Speaker 3 (42:55):
He said, He's like, I'm not negating that at all,
but yeah, those those voices in the those perspectives have
been well represented. They are available to people very easily.
These other ones are not. And I think it's it's
it's less about necessarily the specifics of October seventh and
more like I'm like, when we take a macro view
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of how this country operates any way foreign policy or
even domestically, the same way that people have to vilify
people of color who are killed by the police, there's
a way where it's like the sympathy flows in one direction,
and if someone loses their life and it's at the
hands of the state or the state is involved, then
you have to find a way to distance yourself or
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get people to distance themselves from the victim's humanity as well.
And that's I think as we see our problems become,
you know, more intense, that's like a huge, huge flaw
that leadership wise, that has to be addressed because I
don't I still do believe in the good in people
to take care of each other, although it comes out
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at the worst of times when we have to band
together to do that. But it's also something that we
can consider when we're looking at just generally of how
we're moving and what we want out of how we're
interacting with the world, and what we want for our
own futures.
Speaker 1 (44:15):
Yeah, all right, let's take a quick break. We'll come
back and talk about the Joker too. We'll be right back,
and we're back. We're back.
Speaker 3 (44:34):
And one story, as I was saying, as we were saying,
as I was saying, so, Variety over the weekend published
an article about the problem of toxic fandom and how
the studios behind big franchises have been responding to it.
Speaker 1 (44:52):
And it feels like they're just like feeding it in
some ways, like they do have measures in place to
like protect talent. If a you know, actor is portraying
a character who is challenging a franchise's status quo, studios
now will like take over their social media accounts entirely
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like with their permission. And if the actor is threatened,
which they so commonly are, security firms will be hired
in order to like scrub their info so they're not
docs and like protect them in some ways. But then
the other part of this strategy is to just like
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try to not piss off the people. It feels like
like the toxic fandoms, So they've been organizing.
Speaker 3 (45:43):
Yeah, it feels like maga shit yeah, or like Republicans.
Speaker 1 (45:47):
They just they're like.
Speaker 2 (45:48):
Fuck dude, But what about the freaks that are gonna
yell at me on Twitter? Yeah, I'm going to completely
abandon every principle I had in the creative process because
a bunch of fucking losers were getting up doing Twitter
polls about like Star Wars is too black Now.
Speaker 1 (46:03):
Yeah, it's like the New York Times response to the
rise of Mega, you know, being like, how do we
interview how do any of these people who will who
will talk to us? So studios have been organizing focus
groups featuring quote specialized cluster of super fans who can
view marketing materials and even suggest changes if a project
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isn't finished yet, which like when you think about so
the biggest fan complaints that we've gotten in recent years,
like the ones that they think about include, you know,
stop putting black people in Star Wars and women shouldn't
be allowed to be ghostbusters, a functional job invented by
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Dan Aykroyd in the eighties, presumably on a lot of cocaine.
So I can't imagine a worse idea for the creation
of art, Like.
Speaker 3 (46:58):
It's not art, that's not art, you know what I mean?
Art is an active self expression.
Speaker 1 (47:03):
You don't see.
Speaker 3 (47:04):
Yeah, like Picasso wouldn't go up, I mean not that
he was. Like imagine right, like a rembrand, someone at
the top of their game going on stage to paint
live for people, and every stroke they look at that and.
Speaker 1 (47:16):
Go huh uh huh yeah okay, ye warm up, warm okay,
and then they're like, draw a fucking circle. Well, but
I I do realism, and I can make lifelike things
that may give us a commentary or something, or maybe
the contorted figures to present something else.
Speaker 3 (47:34):
Just draw the fucking circle, you fucking freak. That's my
favorite shape. We lose something by not having not to say, like,
I mean, I'm not going to be like, dude, these
these are our highest forms of art. But in the
sense that the act of creating something is inherently artistic,
that you won't be able. People won't be able to
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interact with something that at least gets them to think,
not even saying that like, oh, we cast this personal
color to get you to think they did that because
it's reflecting the world around you, right, that it's not,
and that the industry is not inherently so like white dominated.
I mean, it still is to have a varying degrees,
but there are there are moments where we get something
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that resembles equity.
Speaker 1 (48:17):
So then it'd be like, I don't want that.
Speaker 3 (48:19):
You're just saying just overall, we're like, okay, well, we're
seeding to the forces that don't want progress at all
in any form.
Speaker 1 (48:26):
So let's listen to the people who have made past
iterations of this work an unhealthily load bearing part of
their personality and ask them what what should happen? Right, Like, yeah,
I don't know, it's uh It just seems like a
bad idea will presumably just result in franchises producing less
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diverse media, of course, and we'll only make existing problems worse.
Speaker 3 (48:51):
But the thing is, they're gonna do the thing where
they'll they're gonna they'll acquiesce to this nonsense. The product
becomes stale, it doesn't fucking sell anymore, then they panic
and don't know what to do, and then they got
I mean, I don't know, maybe this will just hasten
the evolution of things to come, and maybe you can
like let go of fucking ip where people are like
my grandfather's version of that character was a clan member.
Speaker 1 (49:14):
What have you done? Right? You know? Like what the
fuck like this is?
Speaker 3 (49:18):
I don't know, So maybe maybe there is a positive
part to it that like we can do away with
some of these things that have become, like you said,
so integral to people, like their personalities or their you know,
media diets, that we can maybe create some space for
something new, because like, yeah, I think I'm a big
Star Wars fan and I don't need no more Star
Wars right now.
Speaker 1 (49:39):
Yeah, I think we're good here.
Speaker 3 (49:41):
I'm so open to seeing something new, like the new
Star Wars, that shit would even fucking that would fuck
me up even more whatever that is. But they could
see Disney being like, it'll get ready for new Star
Wars and be like, what.
Speaker 1 (49:55):
It's just new Coke basically, yeah, right right, yeah, the
same Star Wars but with better CGI or you did that. Yeah.
It just feels like when we like did the story
about the article on like what's killing Hollywood, and it's
a lot of just like corporate ideas getting integrated into
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like the big studios. I feel like we just more
and more need to assume that, like we're going to
be seeing diminishing returns with these massive studios and like
look elsewhere for our art because the one way that
they can respond to like what you're talking about and
like do a course correction is like by just like
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stealing something made by independent creators. Right, So that's I
think what has to be our hope, because I don't
think they're going to be like, oh, well, this isn't working,
so let's figure it out. It just seems like they're
their decision is to when something isn't working as well,
just like triple down and focus group test things within
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an inch of their lives.
Speaker 3 (51:06):
Just get just again, it's it's it's more corporate corporate
ethos is killing your work.
Speaker 1 (51:14):
Go more, just like, yeah, to the metal on that ship.
Speaker 3 (51:17):
Don't embrace the thing that created your industry to begin with,
which is like embracing new ideas, creativity and like doing
other stuff. And again, I think that just speaks to
because of like the corporate capture of the industry, that
it's now just purely become a money making endeavor that
has to be able to be done formulaically, that you
get formulaic content.
Speaker 1 (51:38):
Yeah, well, speaking of formulaic content or not, dude, or
maybe not maybe groundbreaking. The Joker sequel Joker fully a Ducts,
I think is how it's pronounced fully Dukes French Dukes
Dukes was number one of the box office, but it
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made forty million dollars. They were expecting seventy million dollars
and the first movie made over a billion dollars total
worldwide and cost fifty five million to make. This movie
somehow cost one hundred and ninety million dollars to make
and appears to be on track to not even make
(52:20):
its budget back. It's around the same so it's opening
weekend box office take was around the same as what
Morbius made the Jared leto Spider Man universe, but without
Spider Man movie Morbius. The fans hate it. I always
keep saying.
Speaker 3 (52:40):
The fans are like, it's a fuck you to fans,
and I'm like, why is it?
Speaker 1 (52:46):
Because they they weren't expecting a half baked musical, right, Yeah?
Speaker 3 (52:51):
Is that what it was? Because I mean, I don't know,
so Todd Phillips made it clear. It's like, Bro, what
you're getting, dude, is some wild ass revolutionary musical shit.
Speaker 1 (53:00):
Yeah. I've not seen this movie yet, so I don't
I can't speak to what Todd Phillips has done here,
but it I mean, it is kind of funny to
have this story following the last one, because I'm sure
the Hollywood reaction is like, we should a focused group
tested that shit and just like taken the movie away
from Todd Phillips and built out the Joker verse instead
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of just letting Todd Phillips do whatever he wanted to do.
But according to audiences, this thing is a turkey. It
is the first ever comic book movie to receive a
D rating from Cinema Score, which is like the thing
where they pull movie goers after seeing a movie and
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kind of get an aggregate of reactions, and it's usually
a pretty good indicator of like how a movie's going
to do, like if it's going to hold well. So
in addition to having a bad opening, it feels like
this is going to hold particularly poorly. And I just
guy won Oscar for the first one. You know, you.
Speaker 3 (54:04):
Contrast it with that that first one got Joaquin Phoenix
an Oscar, and I guess comparatively a B plus on
Cinema Score.
Speaker 1 (54:12):
So B plus to a D. That sounds like sounds
like the summer I started smoking weed and I, yeah,
it sounds like it sounds like we need to talk
to your parents. Yeah. Yeah. The fact that it's the
lowest score ever is like, just think about how many
dog shit comic book movies there have been, right, Like
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the worst one prior to this was twenty fifteen's Fantastic
Four movie, which got a C minus. This is a
flat D. Damn, that's a D flat. That's a D flat, man.
So I don't know, a lot of people are saying,
like the takeaway is that it seemed to go out
of its way to alienate the first movies fans replacing
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you know, the in cel coded Kirkland brands score vibes
with musical numbers featuring Lady Gaga.
Speaker 3 (55:04):
I was talking to somebody who saw the first one
or just saw Joker Ado.
Speaker 1 (55:09):
And Joelle I'll call Joe.
Speaker 3 (55:11):
Joelle has her takes out there for anybody to see.
She when I was we saw each other on Friday,
we all got together and.
Speaker 1 (55:20):
Were we talking about.
Speaker 3 (55:21):
That with each I know you were around anyway, we
look we all got together as a family.
Speaker 1 (55:24):
As we was around it. That was lingering.
Speaker 3 (55:27):
Yeah, but I was like, oh, tell me about you
know Joker too, And she was like, it's just so strange.
Speaker 1 (55:33):
She said, it was just.
Speaker 3 (55:33):
So weird because it felt like fundamentally Todd Phillips doesn't
understand what a musical is. Like songs just came out
like he was just breaking the song with the weirdest moments,
not even in a way where like when you watch
a musical you're like, I.
Speaker 1 (55:46):
Feel a song coming on type of thing.
Speaker 3 (55:49):
It's just like, and this part was song just apropos
of nothing. So even I guess even if you went
as a musical fan, just not even that part was
delivering so it sounds like a few few mistakes all around.
Speaker 1 (56:01):
Yeah, I feel like maybe the problem is less like wow,
they didn't pander to fans, and more that he made
a musical and seemingly had didn't know what musicals were
before he made the musical. Like we talked before about
how his quotes was like, the movie's not really a musical.
(56:23):
The characters just kind of start singing when they're like
overwhelmed with emotion, and like just basically described a musical.
So it feels like maybe he had just like not
seen one. Todd Phillips also an old school filmmaker in
the sense that he steals from older filmmakers and to
also treat sequels the way they were treated in the
(56:46):
seventies and eighties, like back at a time when like
a sequel was just like, look like, what do you want.
This is going to be a complete cash grap It's
a sequel. We're just going to do the same plot,
but in this time, the airplane is going into the sun,
you know, right right, we'll just call it another forty
(57:07):
eight hours and it'll it'll be literally that. Because in
the past, I mean the Hangover Part two, one of
the worst sequels I've ever experienced. So maybe he's just
he's not the guy to put in charge of the
sequel to his massive you know, that was the last
(57:28):
time like he captured the pulse of America with The
Hangover and with The Joker, and then both times he
used his grasp on our pulse to put everyone in
a sleeper hole immediately after with the sequel, So.
Speaker 3 (57:45):
It's he went into it like really feel I'm just
I'm reading this interview from I think right before, like
as they were getting into production, and he was just like,
why do something if it doesn't scare the shit out
of you. I'm addicted to rich. Yeah, I made old school.
Speaker 1 (58:02):
I made old school, dude, I'm addicted to risk and
road trip. You feel me.
Speaker 3 (58:08):
He's like, I mean it keeps you up at night,
it makes your hair fall out, but it's a sweat
that keeps you going, and like, yeah, broadly, that is
what you'd want, Like you want, Yeah, I wish studios
did things that scared the shit out of them. But
then to read it all and have it come back
to he's like, yeah, I don't know, And they say
he's singing some.
Speaker 1 (58:23):
Songs I don't know. Is it bad? All right, well,
it is what it is. Maybe he was commenting on
our ancient predatory ability to run animals. It is the
sweat that keeps you going. Mm hmmm. Yeah. Anyways, I
uh he started speaking with a French accent, like as
he was making this movie. I feel like that would
(58:44):
be uh, that would be in keeping with what I
know of God Phillips.
Speaker 3 (58:51):
It's also so funny too, like he's for his like
artsy sort of like and he's like, yeah, dude, I'm
kind of like a fucking risk taker, you know when
I he's like you know that at the time. These
are like the comedies that were were like yo, dude,
these these things fucking are dope. He like, I guess
he was always at the shot at the Chateau Marmont,
(59:12):
like writing as if he was like Jim Morrison or
something or blueshi kind of thing, and like that's where
he was writing, like old school apparently, like that's hold
up at the chateau, right, Okay, cool dude.
Speaker 1 (59:26):
Cool shatateau, which is basically like a Disney World feature
of the Chateau Marmont at this point. Yeah, that's just
exactly Yeah, visionary yeah, I guess you could say that.
It's like nobody nobody said that word, where nobody said anything.
You just came into the room and said visionary. I
guess you could say that as.
Speaker 3 (59:47):
I was saying, this is an interview where I'm going
to ask you a question. Oh my bad, my bad,
my bad, Go ahead, go ahead.
Speaker 1 (59:54):
Those are some of the things that are trending on
this Monday, October seventh. We are back tomorrow with a
whole last episode of the show. Until then, be kind
to each other, be kind to yourself, get the vaccine,
get your flu shot, don't do nothing about white supremacy,
and we will artil tomorrow. Bye bye,
Learned enough small talk to know to just like follow
the score and then be like, that's this goddamn pitching?
Or what happened to their bats? Their bats fell asleep?
Huh man? They called Bruce Wayne, Yeah, what is this
the batcave? Because the bats fell asleep? Here is that?
(00:23):
That's probably not? What what is this? Wayne Manor because
the bats fell asleep? What is it? What is it
three in the afternoon? Because I think the bats are asleep?
What am I? What? What? What is it?
Speaker 2 (00:34):
What?
Speaker 1 (00:35):
Am I? What? What?
Speaker 3 (00:36):
I just watching that first game though, too, I was
like watching Yamamoto pitch, even though he wasn't on the
team last year, Like we just we just don't do
well when we get smacked in the mouth early on,
like when it's in the postseason and there's like barely.
Speaker 1 (00:53):
Pull it off like in Game one. But we'll see
different energy like another city that has or like even
another team like the Mets, if they start having postseason success,
it's like this wave of like energy and excitement. But
with the Dodgers, it's just like disappointed expectations. Like if
(01:15):
they you're just like especially now, yeah, you're just rolling
in being like they better fucking do it tonight, you know.
Speaker 3 (01:22):
And yeah, it's almost I think like American professional sports.
Speaker 1 (01:27):
It that's just what happens too.
Speaker 3 (01:29):
Like there's just momentum that builds. It's never about like
you have to truly be an underdog for like your
whole fan base to be like to have that kind
of mental resilience to be like, no, we're gonna be
all right, We're gonna be all right.
Speaker 1 (01:42):
Yeah, there's something has to like switch in the whole,
like dynamics, the metaphysics of like baseball fandom. For like
them to just not feel like there's like pressure on
them is like my kind of vague psychoanalysis, like what's
wrong with them? I love that look. And yeah, we're
(02:04):
gonna throw shit at you from this lost start kid.
Speaker 3 (02:11):
I mean still, I'm pretty sure Dodger Stadium is like
the worst place to go to if you're not.
Speaker 1 (02:17):
Wearing a Dodge Dodgers fan.
Speaker 3 (02:19):
Yeah, you could go to like a Beyonce concert and
wear like a Twins hat and get jumped somehow, like
just because it's at Dodger.
Speaker 1 (02:27):
Statement like that, Hello the Internet, and welcome to this
week trend edition of Guitar. Yeah, yeah, this is a
productive of Art Radio. It's the show where we take
a deep dive into American share consciousness, and it's the
(02:49):
episode where we tell you what was trending over the weekend.
We also tell you a little bit about ourselves by
telling you an overrated, under rated. I am Jack O'Brien.
That over there is Jack O'Brien, mister Miles grow and
I'm Miles Gray this week, yep, you're my your I
will be playing with Miles Gray this week. Thank you
(03:10):
so much. I'm actually Miles Gray is understudy, but I'm
you're nailing it, by the way, Steve, You're nailing Thanks
so much. Just Miles is and credible.
Speaker 3 (03:19):
Thanks so much, Banjo, Eric really looking forward to another
sick week talking about Arsenal and Weed.
Speaker 1 (03:25):
That's yeah, yeah, that's pretty good. Pretty Your name's.
Speaker 3 (03:29):
Me, Miles Lakers, Weed, Arsenal, Japan rap.
Speaker 1 (03:37):
Sneakers.
Speaker 3 (03:38):
All right, gotta go cold brew. Thanks for that, producer, Brian,
I mean Brian the editor. Fuck I'm getting I'm still
learning the part. I'm still learning the part.
Speaker 1 (03:46):
Yeah, yeah, that's Brian the editor. But we'll we'll we'll
fix that in post Man and we'll pitch you up
a little.
Speaker 3 (03:51):
My favorite topic, cold brewed coffees.
Speaker 1 (03:55):
Kind of sounded all right. Miles quotes. Let's let them
get to know us a little bit better by telling
them something we think is underrated, something we think is overrated.
A dealer's choice where you want to go? Uh, let's
do over over first? Yeap ye see that? Yeah, let's
(04:18):
do it. I liked it. Look, I'm playing the part
of Myles.
Speaker 3 (04:21):
I'm just letting my wings just spread wide, and I'm saying,
let's just just do it.
Speaker 1 (04:25):
Reverse, let's go, let's go over all right, you want
to start, you want me to start? Why don't you start? Okay?
So my overrated is the scariness of being chased by
a fast guy versus a slow guy. Okay, So logically
I should be more scared of a person who is
(04:46):
fast and trying to kill me, sure than I should
be of Jason Voorheats, who is slow and trying to
kill me. When I watched that movie, you know that's
the Uh, he's slow, he's relentless, kind of lumbering, and
even like when I think about the parts from Scream
where it like takes me out of it, it's when
(05:07):
ghost Face looks like he's in a hurry. By the way,
he brought to you by Halloween, this being the spooky
month of Halloween. I've been thinking horror movies. Yeah, when
you see him kind of physically trying to be like, oh,
you had to you had to kick in an extra gear. Huh,
so you're not. It almost was like, so do you
do this normally? Yeah? Yeah, yeah, exactly are you trying
so hard? Why are you so fussy?
Speaker 2 (05:28):
Man?
Speaker 1 (05:28):
Why you seem so nervous? You're kind of clubsy cutting
around those corners, my man. Yeah, yeah, when he's running,
that really fucks me up. That takes me out of
the whole screen sake. And then like the fact that
it took us fifty years to invent fast zombies or
however long you know, it took us decades to invent
fast zombies. Zombies were just slow, lumbering but incessant, you know,
(05:54):
determined to get them brains, to get in them brains.
So I've always been wondering about that, and I kind
of just attributed to Yeah, they looked like a little
silly sprinting around in a hurry, But I just I
do feel like there is something bone deep about like
what is scary about Jason walking after you with determination. Right.
(06:19):
So then, and this is another This is another edition
of Jack shares what he heard on a kids science
podcast over the weekend. I will not apologize. I heard
this episode of Radio Lab for kids about how our
ability to kind of relentlessly run down prey. It was
(06:43):
the thing that like put us in a position where
we could like have enough calories to like grow our
brains evolutionarily. Like the way we hunted was just by
moving at a slow, steady pace after animals that could
like sprint away and then them down. Yeah, and just eventually,
after hours and hours of like tracking them, they would
(07:07):
you know, be exhausted and just and we would just
like walk up to their keeled over, exhausted forms and
just like calmly smash their brains in with a rock.
Like that was that was what our ascension to the
position of super predator look like. And the reason is
(07:29):
actually so so my my very loose theory is maybe
this is why humans walking are scarier than humans like
sprinting is because it's just like a slow, steady approach
is like we know somewhere deep down we're like, ah, yeah,
that's that's bad. And also the secret weapon is like,
(07:51):
we're sweaty. So animals most animals can't dump heat the
way we can because they don't sweat. So the animals
that we were able to get like, they pant and
so panting and running you can't do those two things
at the same time. So I also wonder if that's
(08:12):
maybe why wet people are scarier than dry people. You know,
what do you mean wet people are scarier? Don't you think?
Like horror movie like Jason's always wet. I feel like
dry horror movie villains less scary than wet horror movie villain.
Speaker 3 (08:29):
I guess it doesn't for me. The wet part. I'm like, whatever, Bro,
you're gross either way. Like it's like a hat on
a hat. At that point, it's like, oh, you're a
killer and a wet right, I'm my brother. The fact
that you're a killer. I'm more personally, I'm more freaked
out about the fast zombies because when I put myself
in that situation like Brough, I don't have a fucking
cardio for that, And then I'm like, that's a fucking rap.
(08:50):
I can trick myself into thinking like I could maybe
outwit the slow moving like yell of horse.
Speaker 1 (08:56):
But it is definitely like you're more logical to me
first some reason, just like from the start, I've been
more scared of slow people than like just and maybe
it's because I started watching horror movies too early too,
and that's why. But that's my loose theory is it's
because we are scariest when we're slowly, relentlessly pursuing something
(09:18):
and and we know that at some level.
Speaker 3 (09:20):
Well, and I think there's also something something like metaphorical
too about like our our issues we have, like as humanity,
where we have these slow moving problems that eventually might.
Speaker 1 (09:30):
Kill you might get it. It's like, I don't know, man.
Speaker 3 (09:33):
Like the other ones, the fast moving ones, we'll deal
with those real quick, right whatever, And they're typically the
scariest ones.
Speaker 1 (09:41):
So no, I see there's there's a there's a logic
to this that. Yeah, Jason could also be a metaphor
for climate change. I see that as well. Everything is
these days anyway. My overrated is masculinity.
Speaker 3 (09:57):
I was is that a karaoke bar, ok okay, And
I was going to the bathroom in a urinal. Another
guy comes in, goes two urinals down, from me leaves
the middle one open. I get that if you're you know,
there's one person there and maybe you don't want to
caose up to someone. But then like a couple of
younger dudes came in and there's an open urinal, like, oh,
(10:19):
dudeis piss so bad, and like the other dude joking
is like dude, hey, go ahead right there the middle
one between these two dudes and the other guy was like, nah, dude,
you know the rules and they were like yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (10:30):
It was so weird. I thought they were joking.
Speaker 3 (10:33):
But then like I had finished pretty like by the
time they had said that, Like I was just finishing,
and then the other like the other guy next to
me had finished, and then they.
Speaker 1 (10:43):
Just avoided the middle urinal and just started peeing, And
I was like, what the fuck is this shit?
Speaker 3 (10:49):
Like it was like a weird internet meme come to life.
These guys are like maybe twenty two, like early early twenties,
early twenties, and it was like half joking, but in
a way where I'm like, bro, if you have to
piss that bad, what is the point of like evoking
some weird like Reddit image you saw where it's like
what's the perfect urinal or like, oh, you will become
(11:10):
betified if you go to pee. It was just a
very odd moment, Like I keep having these like moments
in public bathrooms where I'm seeing where society's going, Like
the same way when I was at that soccer game
and the dude was like hey English or Spanish and
was doing that whole like joke meme. I explained it
where they say, like they say the first person to
speak is gay, and so like they would do these
(11:32):
videos where people in the she would just be like
silent because like I'm not I'm not going to be
the one who loses this.
Speaker 1 (11:36):
And I was like, in real life.
Speaker 3 (11:38):
Really we're doing this, yeah, the fucking urinal thing because
someone is in the stall, probably doing drugs or some
shit because that shit was not open. And then but
it was just weird to then see this, Like I
knew it wasn't totally serious, but it was serious enough
that their first instinct wasn't to immediately relieve themselves in
an open.
Speaker 1 (11:57):
Urinal right, No, man, Yeah, the rules you know that
I've seen in a meme like.
Speaker 3 (12:03):
That you dog, that's you, that's you, bro. And then
like me and this other guy. I think we're probably
closer in age, like left, and I'm just like washing
my hands and like, oh, and then they go to
pen like jipiss so bad, and I'm like, okay, sure,
masculinity maintained.
Speaker 1 (12:20):
Maintain.
Speaker 3 (12:21):
Now go back out there and sing whatever you're gonna
sing or don't sing, because I wonder if you're one
of those guys.
Speaker 1 (12:26):
Like us for females bro to belt out a tune. Yeah,
did you see if those guys ever went up and
say I like that?
Speaker 3 (12:32):
I completely was just like, God, like, just throw that
on the pile of weird things I see every day.
So anyway, yeah, just go to the bathroom. It's just
also weirder to hear people debate about which urinal to
use in a bad It just all very strange. And
it's all we all pee, man, we all got to pee,
and that doesn't change. You are fundamentally based on where
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you go and if you happen to be next to
another person with the penis while that's happening.
Speaker 1 (12:58):
Yeah, that's all right, you're good. Sorry. That's why when
I go, when I go to the bathroom with a friend,
we hold hands next to each other. Well, yeah, you know,
just to let people know, just high five constantly. Who
sounds strong? Yo? Give me twenty four? Yeah, all right?
(13:22):
My underrated is just kind of old shit in the zeitgeist.
I was seeing a lot of like old shit, old
ship being in the Zechust. Obviously on this podcast we
track like new war stuff, news stories, things that are
happening right now in the zeitgeist. I wish there was
a more consistent, easy way to track like what was
(13:48):
coming through the zeitgeist that was old and like inexplicable.
Like I was just randomly over the weekend seeing a
lot of like Beatles jokes and Beatles like observations on
Twitter for some reason, like yeah, the Beatles like that
that band. Like there was like but White Album jokes,
jokes about Paul McCartney White album joke, Like what do
(14:11):
you mean? They were talking about like Rocky Raccoon, like
that song, OK. And then they like somebody else like
posted a clip from the White Album and was like
this song, like is it's so weird that the song
like goes so hard and the Beatles are so square?
And then there was like a joke about like Paul
McCartney versus John Lennon's like songwriting style, and I don't know.
(14:36):
I just feel like when we think about does zeitgeist,
we think like about what is happening in the news,
and then it seems like sometimes everyone's just randomly talking
about the same thing for no reason, right, you know,
like it's just like a song gets randomly stuck in
everyone's head at the same time. And I just like
wish there was some good way to track that, and like,
(14:59):
I don't know, like I'm sure a smarter person could
use that to predict like the upcoming election, but like,
I just I don't have a theory. I don't know
why randomly everyone was thinking about that album this weekend
for a reason. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (15:13):
I think it's like one of those things where it's
like if enough people have enough foundational knowledge on it,
and it sort of there's an upward trend. Well because
you know, Twitter works like once shit starts popping, then
everyone kind of gets their take off to sort of
you know, get in on like the fun of whatever
the trope dejore meme da jour is.
Speaker 1 (15:32):
Yeah, yeah, but yeah, I don't know, I don't know.
I uh, I wish I knew enough about the beatles
to to have made sense of that. I was just like,
what the fuck are the why are we talking about this? Bye?
Why is this motherfucker talking about I just got talking
about this, dude. I got so bad for tweeted Lennon's
song show Me the Source of the Leak that Drips
(15:52):
and turns Honest men. Week McCartney song Terry the Plumber
is an honest man. He'll fix your pipe as fast
as he can. Temp change. It's pipe time, key signature change,
typo change, tempo change. He loves pipes. He loves pipes.
It was just a weird, random observation about how silly
(16:13):
Palmer Pattany's asses when he's writing a song. I love that. Yeah,
Hey man, all right, myles, what is something you think
is under underrated?
Speaker 3 (16:23):
Which comic book character appeals to you and what it
might say about you?
Speaker 1 (16:28):
So you take a quiz this weekend.
Speaker 3 (16:30):
Yeah, took a lot of quizzes because they all kept
coming up with not characters.
Speaker 1 (16:35):
I liked it.
Speaker 3 (16:36):
All kept saying I was Jubilee and I'm not Jewbilee.
Speaker 1 (16:40):
I'm Doctor Manhattan.
Speaker 3 (16:42):
So I've been watching WandaVision and it's pretty good. I've
been saying that, though, I think about the last couple
of weeks and I like that again, I appreciate that
I don't need to have seen every single MCU thing
or know every single MCU thing to enjoy it.
Speaker 1 (16:55):
That's like one of my favorite things about it. But
it's also it's a fun watch.
Speaker 3 (16:58):
But I was also like when I watched him, like yeah,
dude Vision, Hell yeah, dude, that guy's cool. He's super powerful,
he like keeps it cool and he's not like tripping
on some ego shit. And then I was like, thinking back,
I was like, I also when I was first getting
into The Watchman, I was like, hell yeah, dude, Doctor Manhattan,
this dude focks. But then I was like I wasn't
(17:21):
getting into therapy and sort of interrogating things about my
own self. I was like, yeah, why do these robotic, emotionless,
hyper powerful figures appeal to me? And again, when you
do enough introspection, and it was just something because like
this wasn't something I worked out from watching WandaVision, but
I just remember like that sort of a human thing
(17:41):
where it's like this guy is cool, and then I
was like, wait, you know why this person's cool to
you right, because I think the first thing, like, I've
been pretty I'm always somewhat at odds with the fact
that I'm pretty introverted, like I can be, I'm like
an extroverted introvert because at the end of the day,
for me to recharge, I cannot have people around me
like I have to be I have to I have
(18:03):
to fuck off to mars like Doctor Manhattan does, and
people like where'd he go? I'm like, I'm sorry, Like
I just can't be around anyone. I need to just
sort of I need to center myself in solitude at times.
And then the other thing was the robot robotic part
of these characters. These characters seldom voice their own emotional needs,
(18:23):
and this was something that I struggled with for many
years because I, you know, culturally and you know, being
like a man, and also coming from cultures where being
vulnerable is not a huge thing. Talking about your emotional
state isn't is It wasn't as normalized as it should be,
and I had to do a lot of work to
do that on my own. I was like, oh, right,
(18:44):
that's something that I've that's always been sort of a
cause of and solution to my problems, which is the
lack of voicing my emotional needs. And so as I
watched it all, it was just kind of funny to
see that thinking re emerge as I see another comic
book character and I'm like, this guy's built on AI
but he has technopathy and all these other cool fucking
(19:05):
powers or whatever, but he's not. He's not He's struggling.
He has no the humanity is not really there.
Speaker 1 (19:12):
Did your therapist ask you, like, what fictional characters you
identify with or that just like kind of came up again.
Speaker 3 (19:18):
No, I just I know something I realized because I
remember when I first read Watchman. I was like, dude,
this guy is fucking dope. He like, cause I'm like,
in a way, I was like pumping myself.
Speaker 1 (19:30):
I'm like, sometimes, dude, people are just.
Speaker 3 (19:32):
Tripping about shit, and I'm like, these are like human problems, man,
like you got to see the bigger picture, like.
Speaker 1 (19:38):
Not everything's worth tripping over.
Speaker 3 (19:40):
And then I was like, oh, no, I'm not addressing anything,
Like I'm just acting like things don't affect me because
it's easier to do that than to like really sit
down and try and work something out. So it didn't
come up that way, although maybe when Watchman Guy kept
bringing up Watchmen in therapy and she's like, wow, you
really talk a lot about her Manhattan address, Doctor Manhattan.
Speaker 1 (20:00):
Yeah, exactly exactly.
Speaker 3 (20:01):
I'm like, you know, it's pretty cool though, because like
he could, like he could do anything he wants, yet
he's not not fully evil, you know what I mean.
I think that's pretty cool, and like, also, you know,
he's like Visus just omnipotent, omniscient and all that kind
of stuff.
Speaker 1 (20:12):
And I'm not going to take the fact that both
the you're overrated and underrated could be read as you
wanting to show people your penis as anything other than question. Yeah,
they were bald guys with their dicks out, they're dark
part of my person. You had been at that uh
(20:36):
you had been at that year for forty five minutes,
pants all the way down around your ankles.
Speaker 3 (20:43):
Oh yeah, fun out, but fully out. What's that thing
on his butt? It's a hydrogen atom. I got it
tatted on my yeeks.
Speaker 1 (20:52):
That's right. Yeah, I do feel like, yeah that I
don't know, I feel like that should be a therapist question.
It's like, and who are the fictional characters that you Yeah,
most identified with growing up, and you would just like
learn a lot.
Speaker 3 (21:06):
The modern person, who I think has learned to sort
of process a lot of things through comic book characters.
Speaker 1 (21:11):
It probably is telling Like I like.
Speaker 3 (21:13):
I thought Wolverine was cool, but I was like, no, bro,
this dud's out of control, Like any's kind of gross,
Like that's not really me. And then I'm like, oh,
the flying sort of like ascetic religious person who's like
simplified and wise, Like I was like that was trying
to hold that up as like a thing.
Speaker 1 (21:30):
But anyway, yeah, check it out.
Speaker 3 (21:32):
Let us know on your who's your favorite character of
comic book character and what does that say about what.
Speaker 1 (21:38):
And what to do your problem? Yeah? Yeah, I do
feel like if future historians are not too bored by
the American Empire, they'll probably look at superhero characters the
way that we like have looked back at like ancient
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Greek myths and be like, ah, yeah, they were real
fucked up. Huh right right right, yeah, anyways, uh cool,
Let's take a quick break and we'll come back and
talk about some of the news that happened over the weekend.
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And we're back. We're back, and Donald Trump returned to Butler,
Pennsylvania for the first time since the assassination attempt, and
the resulting rally was about as insufferable as you'd probably imagine.
He began a speech with as I was saying, and
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everyone was like, he's got a new bit. He starts
off the rally with as I.
Speaker 3 (22:49):
Was saying, as I was saying, the late great Hannibal
lecteror what call fuck?
Speaker 1 (22:55):
Oh no, no, yeah, you brought out The Sunday Times
kind of did a finally of what his speech was, like, yes,
and it's pretty like I think this is the first
sort of honest summary of a Trump speech.
Speaker 3 (23:12):
I think a lot of yeah, a lot of news
outlets that aren't the New York Times and tend to
report a little bit more on the progressive end of
things or just more objectively have been like when is
when are they going to actually be like this guy
is this guy is suffering from a decline, and you
guys are just just going just you know, glazing, glossing
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right past it. Not glazing necessarily, But the Sunday Times
they said, this is what it said.
Speaker 1 (23:38):
Quote. He rambles, He repeats himself. He roams from thought
to thought.
Speaker 3 (23:42):
Some of them hard to understand, some of them unfinished,
some of them factually fantastical. He voices outlandish claims that
seemed to be made up out of whole cloth. He
digresses into bizarre tangents about golf, about sharks, about his
own beautiful body. He relishes a great day in Louisiana
after spending the day in Georgia. He expresses fear that
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North Korea is quote trying to kill me, when he
presumably means Iran. As late as last month, mister Trump
was still speaking as if he were running against President Biden,
five weeks after his withdrawal from the race.
Speaker 1 (24:17):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (24:18):
So then they go on to say that the overall
the piece is just saying, like the rhetoric is just
so different than the first run at president he had.
It's more long winded, more disconnected, more rambling course or
far more prone to swearing. So it's just like a
it was like the you know, one of those first
times that they're really articulating this idea that like not
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everything as well in this guy's head, he's saying things
that don't make sense, and he's running for president and
could potentially win, and we are one of the most
consequential news outlets in the country, so maybe maybe they're
maybe that's the October surprise. We noticed Donald Trump's mental decline,
and it's like, that's not a surprise.
Speaker 1 (25:01):
Second, none of this shit is making any sense. Yeah,
so that was the content of you know what he presented.
There were reports that the rally would be structured to
honor Corey Comparatore, who was the guy who died at
the last rally, rather than focus on Trump. Undercutting that
theme slightly, Trump did a flyover of the rally and
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Trump Force one while the theme music from Top Gun
was blasted.
Speaker 3 (25:29):
I heard about this and it's like, not even exciting
because it's not like a jet.
Speaker 1 (25:34):
It's like anyone who lives.
Speaker 3 (25:35):
Near an air like near an airport, ath to an airport,
You're like, oh yeah, there's a thing even like buzzing
the ground.
Speaker 1 (25:42):
Obviously who knows, but wow, okay, Trump Force one. The
event did feature some mentions of Comparatoor, like one guy
live finger painted an American flag behind his image for
some reason on stage, which like I've seen that like
live painting thing be done, but it's usually like, you know,
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you're painting a portrait or something like that, and it's
done quickly. But this was it looks like a finger painting.
The guy did well. It was in the background.
Speaker 3 (26:11):
It was also like the kind of thing where it
looks like the guy had pre painted a portrait of Comparator.
Speaker 1 (26:17):
It's a photograph of Comparator or a pre drawn thing.
And then he painted the background the American flag in
the background, and then revealed the that it was yeah,
and I was like, oh, okay, this is cool. Sure.
Speaker 3 (26:34):
I mean, because the other thing that happened in the
late last week was there was there was like leaked
audio of how Trump kept making jokes about Comparator's widow. Yes, yeah, yeah,
He's like, I had the check for her, you know,
millions of dollars to just to to help her, and
you know, she said, this is all fantastic, but I
would just love Corey back. And I don't know many
people who would have said that with a check for
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that much in front of him. You know a lot
of people probably wouldn't. And he kept like he did
a version of that. I think at the RNC, like
lightly did it.
Speaker 1 (27:02):
And people are like, what the fuck, dude, So yeah,
great way to honor him. Yeah, but then he was
also doing it at like fundraising dinners with like a
bunch of millionaires and billionaires, and compared Tour was, you know,
a blue collar, working class guy and also just kind
of undercutting the solemnity with which they were treating him. Jd.
(27:25):
Vance opened his speech by saying, I believe it is
as sure as I'm standing here today that what happened
was a true miracle, which is kind of which part. Yeah,
you know, I mean, the right guy got let's just say,
you know, it's a miracle. Look, don't they believe in miracles? Right?
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And I hope you do.
Speaker 3 (27:49):
You always have a friend wearing lifted shoes.
Speaker 1 (27:52):
Hey, but yeah.
Speaker 3 (27:54):
Then there was like a moment of silence that was
so it's like disrespectful even to the concept of a moment.
Speaker 1 (28:01):
Of silence, truly a moment.
Speaker 3 (28:04):
Yeah, just a moment, not even a moment, dude, a
fucking moment of silence. Here's where Trump is asked the people, Hey,
you know, it's to commemorate at six ' eleven when
the shooting occurred. You know, that's they wanted to mark
that moment with this moment of silence that was truly
a moment.
Speaker 4 (28:21):
At this time, it is six eleven, twelve weeks to
the minute that the shooting began. I would like to
ask everyone to join me in a moment of silence.
Speaker 1 (28:38):
Don't And then they started playing Ave Marie. Yeah, Church,
I don't know, do you need church bells? Yeah?
Speaker 3 (28:53):
I feel like it's silent, isn't it. I forgive me
if I'm misinterpreting this. It's a moment of silence.
Speaker 1 (28:59):
If it was possible for him to cover the silence
in gold le May paint, he would have done it.
You know. It's just he's got it. You can buy
it on a hat on a hat.
Speaker 3 (29:08):
Yeah, you can buy this Trump Golden Moment of Silence
for forty nine thousand dollars. It has one hundred and
twenty diamonds in it vs one clarity.
Speaker 1 (29:16):
Yeah. Well, good for him, so yeah. And then, of course,
the big thing that got people's meme engines revving was
Elon Musk showed up in an Occupy Mars T shirt,
wearing a custom made dark Maga baseball cap and started
jumping around like an excited toddler in the candy isle
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of Costco. He really does that shit, like I've seen
him do it so frequently, so like, yeah, coming out
at like his little you know, corporate pep rally things
where he comes out and everybody's excited to see him,
and you know he's within the comfy confines of his cult.
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But this, yeah, he's still just out here jumping with
his hands in the air, looking looking pretty strange.
Speaker 3 (30:07):
He really and he had like his dark maga hat on.
He's like, come on Eline He then Trump was kind
of like mumble mumbling through his name.
Speaker 1 (30:17):
It's the jumping that really is. He's bunny hopping.
Speaker 3 (30:24):
Take over Elanya.
Speaker 1 (30:28):
Trump everyone.
Speaker 3 (30:29):
Yeah, the way he jumps, it looks like when my
kid watches Miss Rachel videos.
Speaker 1 (30:33):
You know they're like.
Speaker 3 (30:34):
Hop little bunny hop hop pop, and he's like, who.
Speaker 1 (30:38):
Is full of hunting? There's truly no one can jump
with that kind of joy. I think. Then that's kind
of what's pissing me off.
Speaker 3 (30:45):
This guy genuinely looks like he's like yay, But people
were zooming in on his eyes. If you look at
the picture that we have in the dock, if you
look at his eyes, there's a pain behind them.
Speaker 1 (30:57):
He knows he's about to land, and this is he
jumps like once a week and yeah, shit is not
probably not easy on that body.
Speaker 3 (31:05):
Just if you look at this just his face, it's
a very strange like expression for someone. I get that
it's a photo, but just like mid jump, there's something
it's like a doll's eyes.
Speaker 1 (31:19):
I think that's what I'm saying, is like a doll's life. Yeah,
so you know he was there.
Speaker 3 (31:25):
He got to do his shit too and be like
this is the most important election for me financially. Yeah,
but then made it I guess kind of about the
people that were at the rally.
Speaker 1 (31:34):
Yeah, he said it will be the last election ever
if Democrats win, which is obviously a wild thing to
say while supporting the guy who actively tried to overthrow
the last election. I will say though, for all the
quote unquote celebrities that come out to be to get
their like Maga on on a stage, he probably got
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the best cheer when he first came out. Yeah, people were.
Speaker 3 (31:59):
Like, WHOA, it's someone I recognize who's relevant right now
rather than someone who is a celebrity forty five years ago.
Speaker 5 (32:06):
Yeah, and they were like el loon. But yeah, he
got he got his, He got his. He got to
jump up and down and say a bunch of bullshit.
So we'll see if that helps. We'll see if that
helps expand the map.
Speaker 1 (32:19):
Yeah, Jake the Snake, everybody, that was the other option.
Jake the Snake. Roberts from WWF remember him, got him?
And oh shit, Elon actually made it this time. So
we've got We've got Elon Jake the Snake. If you
remember Yoko Zuna, he'll be out here later. It's all
going to be a fantastic moment. Fantastic moment, all right, Uh,
(32:43):
anti war protests over the weekend dominated Zuna died. Oh
I didn't really see Jake the Snake was still alive.
Speaker 3 (32:51):
Yeah, even I was like Yoko's I feel like Yoko
Zuna died when I was a kid.
Speaker 1 (32:55):
Yeah, but that happened, okay, okay. Yeah. The White House
marked the one year anniversary of October seventh by you know,
croaking out the same bullshit about Israel's right to defend itself,
with kind of only a cursory mention of Palestinians, no
mention of the fact that much of the world spent
the weekend protesting the ongoing genocide and yeah, countries, it
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was everywhere across the world just saw massive anti war
protests over the weekend, including London. I think there are
tens of thousands who turned out to Mark for Peace
in London, which, as it was reported in The Guardian,
what a headache for the police. But yeah, yes, what
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a headache for the police.
Speaker 3 (33:42):
And yeah, I mean this was it wasn't it was
every pretty much most nations had some form of protest happening.
And DC it looked like a guy attempted to self
immolate and you know, was his arm like his arm
caught fire and then he was pretty quickly extinguished. And
colleges are also you know, colleges are back in session
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and they're doing things like canceling interfaith prayer vigils. If
you know, guest lecturers have had anything, you know, negative
to say about Israeli policy. But then like Yale has
Ben ship hero On for how quote how October seventh
broke America's college campuses very much needed, much needed discors
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back now at this time. But I mean, like, wow,
you know, reflecting on a year of this, I'm just
struck how used to death we have become, you know,
more than anything, because we Americans already had this unique
sort of callous built up on our souls, where you know,
we can.
Speaker 1 (34:42):
School shooting after school shooting. It's just like, yeah, I
guess that is what it is.
Speaker 3 (34:48):
But I mean, like now, when you look at the
scale of what's happening to Palestinian people, and you know,
with the kind of clarity that we have in terms
of the morality of it all, it's really it's bone chilling.
And Western media, colonial media, has created an environment where
sympathy can only move in one direction. Anything else will
be seen as an act of violence. Last week, right,
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I think a lot of people were talking about when
Tannahisi Coats was getting grilled on the CBS Morning Show
because he showed that there's a line you cannot cross
in sort of the mainstream accepted discourse because in his book,
he was treated like a criminal basically during this quote
unquote interview for merely saying that, you know, in my book,
I talk about how I went to go see what
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the situation is with Palestinians and how the Israelis are governing,
and what I saw with my eyes was a modern
apartheid state where ethnicity was the basis for whether or
not you were granted basic rights, and for that it
became very clear to me that what was happening was
not complex in the basic terms of who is granted
humanity and who is not, who has rights and who
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is not, And so that reaction, I think just reminded.
I think reminds me, and I think most people see
that to be able to acknowledge the humanity of Palestinian
people is just still a bridge too far in most places.
I was watching like MSNBC this morning because I was
very curious what the MSNBC version is of October seventh things,
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and you were just sort of treated to solemn interview
after solemn interview, whether it was parents of someone who
has taken hostage or rabbis talking about like, what you know,
the pain in their communities, which I think.
Speaker 1 (36:28):
Is all valid.
Speaker 3 (36:29):
I understand that really, but what it happened was it
was the complete erasure of Palestinian people and their experience
throughout all of this, and we've like, we just have this.
This a great American habit to look at a situation
and be like, we know these people are dying, but
we aren't going to talk about it because we have
to manufacture as much consent for what we want to
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do in terms of what our policy is and what
the military industrial complex wants. So complete, I mean, like
I'm sure net and Yahuo has probably brought a tear
to his eye to see that it was merely there's
like a near total erasure of what Palestindian people are
going through in terms of.
Speaker 1 (37:06):
Like what the one year coverage is.
Speaker 3 (37:09):
And we have an administration too that is like constantly
making the worst decisions in regards to this genocidal campaign,
and it's become absurd to the point that like not
even having a near supermajority of Democrat voters saying when
you pull them, what would you like see done? Stop
arming Israel comes up as one of the top things
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that that's not even enough to move the needle in
any meaningful way. So like with this system too, and
I think as a lot of the times I've seen
a lot of write ups too from foreign policy people
will be like, you know, what the Harrison administration could
do to differentiate or what needs to do is we
have to have some kind of accountability for the fact
that we absolutely have failed the palest Indian people. Is
that you realize we have this we have a right
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to vote, but I'm not sure you have a right
to representation, which I think there's a real big difference there,
because we talk about our ability to vote, but how
many like when we look at what is happening, what
is our ability to have our values represented? And that's
I think a place where we just fall terribly, terribly short.
Speaker 1 (38:13):
Yeah. I was kind of struck by a Harris campaigning
with the Cheneye at the end of last week as
Israel's all out assault on Gaza and Lebanon continues, and
just I was reading something about the exploding pager attacks
in the way that they justified it by being like,
you know, or at least implicitly. I don't know if
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they've even admitted it was them, but they were like, yeah,
but they were the bad guys and so basically they
can do anything. And just how reminiscent it is of
the war on Terror that America waged, you know, like
yet young children were blown up and killed by those
pager explosions. But it just it really feels like we're
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in the aftermath of that original war against everyone who
looked guilty to America and at a time when America
was like really not trying to be discerning now, you know, truly.
Speaker 3 (39:12):
We're like Iraq, Yeah, let's go there for nine to eleven. Right, Okay, yeah,
that works.
Speaker 1 (39:18):
But it just feels like once you do some evil
shit like that, you don't just get to turn the
hose off when your bloodlust is quenched. You know, you've
created a precedent, which net Yahoo has like used has
been like what about you guys. You guys did this
shit too, right, which, yeah, like you're saying, is why
it's so extra urgent for someone to do something to
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stop it and why it's extra frustrating to see the
Democrats who were refusing to do that instead campaigning with like, yeah, war.
Speaker 3 (39:51):
Criminals, yeah, like yeah, yeah, yeah, Dick Cheney, we love them,
don't we, folks.
Speaker 1 (39:55):
I mean that's the thing.
Speaker 3 (39:56):
Nan Yahoo was was a huge supporter of the Iraq war.
He said that nine eleven was When asked what he
thought of, like what nine to eleven would do for
in terms of like US Israeli relations, he said, oh,
it's very good, right, and he's like in that there
was a lot of like then he clarified sympathy obviously
for like what has just happened because you're saying in
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the like the horror of a terrorist attack would create
a lot of flexibility in terms of you know, it's
implied a lot of flexibility in terms of the violence
that could be inflicted when retaliating. And now it's like
the thing that is really to that point right about
you saying that this is a continuation of the war
on terror. Just look how much the rhetoric has changed
from October seventh, eighth of last year, when it was
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Hamas must be eliminated, and now we have the White
House saying Hamas the hoo thies, Hezbollah, Iran. Yeah, it's
just expanding now because again, like just like in terms
of how Netanyahu was looking at nine to eleven, it's
like when you have something where there's a loss of
life to civilian and you kind of get carte blanche
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to do some shit in the name of retaliation. It
doesn't even have to be logical, but you can use that.
And but I but at this point, I feel like
for a lot of people, the sympathy has been exhausted
to the point where now we're looking at you know,
obviously there's like the figures that the news will say
that like it's close to forty two thousand people that
have been killed in Gaza, when realistically that number is
(41:24):
probably in the six figures when all said and done,
because that's just stuff like where you could you could
find someone that Yeah, now we're talking about an expansion
of hostilities, and you know the America is doing the thing. Dude, like, well,
obviously we're not. We're not, we're not, we don't. We
don't think all of that's good now, But who's to
say at the end of the day, Like you said,
(41:45):
there's this country definitely once once they get a taste
of it, it's very hard to stop it. And yeah,
I'm that's like that was like what it was really
alarming about that statement from the White House was like
the number of groups that had been named, like identified
by name in connection to October seventh as a way
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to manufacture consent to like increased hostilities was very.
Speaker 1 (42:11):
Yeah, it's just amazing that they didn't end with et cetera.
And so right at the end of that list.
Speaker 3 (42:17):
Right with like an asterisk where it's like, you know,
this lineup may change at any moment, like a fucking
festival concert, like festival lineup for Coachella.
Speaker 1 (42:25):
Yeah, and I get that this is the anniversary of
the loss of you know, thousands of innocent Israeli lives,
and like, you know, like you said this, you know,
those lives need to be mourned. I just you know,
there are so many innocent lives being lost elsewhere that
are just not being acknowledged really anywhere in the Western media.
Speaker 3 (42:47):
And this is what this is what Tanehase Coats was
pressed on, yeah, saying, well, you know, did do these.
Speaker 1 (42:54):
People not lose their lives?
Speaker 3 (42:55):
He said, He's like, I'm not negating that at all,
but yeah, those those voices in the those perspectives have
been well represented. They are available to people very easily.
These other ones are not. And I think it's it's
it's less about necessarily the specifics of October seventh and
more like I'm like, when we take a macro view
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of how this country operates any way foreign policy or
even domestically, the same way that people have to vilify
people of color who are killed by the police, there's
a way where it's like the sympathy flows in one direction,
and if someone loses their life and it's at the
hands of the state or the state is involved, then
you have to find a way to distance yourself or
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get people to distance themselves from the victim's humanity as well.
And that's I think as we see our problems become,
you know, more intense, that's like a huge, huge flaw
that leadership wise, that has to be addressed because I
don't I still do believe in the good in people
to take care of each other, although it comes out
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at the worst of times when we have to band
together to do that. But it's also something that we
can consider when we're looking at just generally of how
we're moving and what we want out of how we're
interacting with the world, and what we want for our
own futures.
Speaker 1 (44:15):
Yeah, all right, let's take a quick break. We'll come
back and talk about the Joker too. We'll be right back,
and we're back. We're back.
Speaker 3 (44:34):
And one story, as I was saying, as we were saying,
as I was saying, so, Variety over the weekend published
an article about the problem of toxic fandom and how
the studios behind big franchises have been responding to it.
Speaker 1 (44:52):
And it feels like they're just like feeding it in
some ways, like they do have measures in place to
like protect talent. If a you know, actor is portraying
a character who is challenging a franchise's status quo, studios
now will like take over their social media accounts entirely
(45:14):
like with their permission. And if the actor is threatened,
which they so commonly are, security firms will be hired
in order to like scrub their info so they're not
docs and like protect them in some ways. But then
the other part of this strategy is to just like
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try to not piss off the people. It feels like
like the toxic fandoms, So they've been organizing.
Speaker 3 (45:43):
Yeah, it feels like maga shit yeah, or like Republicans.
Speaker 1 (45:47):
They just they're like.
Speaker 2 (45:48):
Fuck dude, But what about the freaks that are gonna
yell at me on Twitter? Yeah, I'm going to completely
abandon every principle I had in the creative process because
a bunch of fucking losers were getting up doing Twitter
polls about like Star Wars is too black Now.
Speaker 1 (46:03):
Yeah, it's like the New York Times response to the
rise of Mega, you know, being like, how do we
interview how do any of these people who will who
will talk to us? So studios have been organizing focus
groups featuring quote specialized cluster of super fans who can
view marketing materials and even suggest changes if a project
(46:28):
isn't finished yet, which like when you think about so
the biggest fan complaints that we've gotten in recent years,
like the ones that they think about include, you know,
stop putting black people in Star Wars and women shouldn't
be allowed to be ghostbusters, a functional job invented by
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Dan Aykroyd in the eighties, presumably on a lot of cocaine.
So I can't imagine a worse idea for the creation
of art, Like.
Speaker 3 (46:58):
It's not art, that's not art, you know what I mean?
Art is an active self expression.
Speaker 1 (47:03):
You don't see.
Speaker 3 (47:04):
Yeah, like Picasso wouldn't go up, I mean not that
he was. Like imagine right, like a rembrand, someone at
the top of their game going on stage to paint
live for people, and every stroke they look at that and.
Speaker 1 (47:16):
Go huh uh huh yeah okay, ye warm up, warm okay,
and then they're like, draw a fucking circle. Well, but
I I do realism, and I can make lifelike things
that may give us a commentary or something, or maybe
the contorted figures to present something else.
Speaker 3 (47:34):
Just draw the fucking circle, you fucking freak. That's my
favorite shape. We lose something by not having not to say, like,
I mean, I'm not going to be like, dude, these
these are our highest forms of art. But in the
sense that the act of creating something is inherently artistic,
that you won't be able. People won't be able to
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interact with something that at least gets them to think,
not even saying that like, oh, we cast this personal
color to get you to think they did that because
it's reflecting the world around you, right, that it's not,
and that the industry is not inherently so like white dominated.
I mean, it still is to have a varying degrees,
but there are there are moments where we get something
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that resembles equity.
Speaker 1 (48:17):
So then it'd be like, I don't want that.
Speaker 3 (48:19):
You're just saying just overall, we're like, okay, well, we're
seeding to the forces that don't want progress at all
in any form.
Speaker 1 (48:26):
So let's listen to the people who have made past
iterations of this work an unhealthily load bearing part of
their personality and ask them what what should happen? Right, Like, yeah,
I don't know, it's uh It just seems like a
bad idea will presumably just result in franchises producing less
(48:47):
diverse media, of course, and we'll only make existing problems worse.
Speaker 3 (48:51):
But the thing is, they're gonna do the thing where
they'll they're gonna they'll acquiesce to this nonsense. The product
becomes stale, it doesn't fucking sell anymore, then they panic
and don't know what to do, and then they got
I mean, I don't know, maybe this will just hasten
the evolution of things to come, and maybe you can
like let go of fucking ip where people are like
my grandfather's version of that character was a clan member.
Speaker 1 (49:14):
What have you done? Right? You know? Like what the
fuck like this is?
Speaker 3 (49:18):
I don't know, So maybe maybe there is a positive
part to it that like we can do away with
some of these things that have become, like you said,
so integral to people, like their personalities or their you know,
media diets, that we can maybe create some space for
something new, because like, yeah, I think I'm a big
Star Wars fan and I don't need no more Star
Wars right now.
Speaker 1 (49:39):
Yeah, I think we're good here.
Speaker 3 (49:41):
I'm so open to seeing something new, like the new
Star Wars, that shit would even fucking that would fuck
me up even more whatever that is. But they could
see Disney being like, it'll get ready for new Star
Wars and be like, what.
Speaker 1 (49:55):
It's just new Coke basically, yeah, right right, yeah, the
same Star Wars but with better CGI or you did that. Yeah.
It just feels like when we like did the story
about the article on like what's killing Hollywood, and it's
a lot of just like corporate ideas getting integrated into
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like the big studios. I feel like we just more
and more need to assume that, like we're going to
be seeing diminishing returns with these massive studios and like
look elsewhere for our art because the one way that
they can respond to like what you're talking about and
like do a course correction is like by just like
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stealing something made by independent creators. Right, So that's I
think what has to be our hope, because I don't
think they're going to be like, oh, well, this isn't working,
so let's figure it out. It just seems like they're
their decision is to when something isn't working as well,
just like triple down and focus group test things within
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an inch of their lives.
Speaker 3 (51:06):
Just get just again, it's it's it's more corporate corporate
ethos is killing your work.
Speaker 1 (51:14):
Go more, just like, yeah, to the metal on that ship.
Speaker 3 (51:17):
Don't embrace the thing that created your industry to begin with,
which is like embracing new ideas, creativity and like doing
other stuff. And again, I think that just speaks to
because of like the corporate capture of the industry, that
it's now just purely become a money making endeavor that
has to be able to be done formulaically, that you
get formulaic content.
Speaker 1 (51:38):
Yeah, well, speaking of formulaic content or not, dude, or
maybe not maybe groundbreaking. The Joker sequel Joker fully a Ducts,
I think is how it's pronounced fully Dukes French Dukes
Dukes was number one of the box office, but it
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made forty million dollars. They were expecting seventy million dollars
and the first movie made over a billion dollars total
worldwide and cost fifty five million to make. This movie
somehow cost one hundred and ninety million dollars to make
and appears to be on track to not even make
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its budget back. It's around the same so it's opening
weekend box office take was around the same as what
Morbius made the Jared leto Spider Man universe, but without
Spider Man movie Morbius. The fans hate it. I always
keep saying.
Speaker 3 (52:40):
The fans are like, it's a fuck you to fans,
and I'm like, why is it?
Speaker 1 (52:46):
Because they they weren't expecting a half baked musical, right, Yeah?
Speaker 3 (52:51):
Is that what it was? Because I mean, I don't know,
so Todd Phillips made it clear. It's like, Bro, what
you're getting, dude, is some wild ass revolutionary musical shit.
Speaker 1 (53:00):
Yeah. I've not seen this movie yet, so I don't
I can't speak to what Todd Phillips has done here,
but it I mean, it is kind of funny to
have this story following the last one, because I'm sure
the Hollywood reaction is like, we should a focused group
tested that shit and just like taken the movie away
from Todd Phillips and built out the Joker verse instead
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of just letting Todd Phillips do whatever he wanted to do.
But according to audiences, this thing is a turkey. It
is the first ever comic book movie to receive a
D rating from Cinema Score, which is like the thing
where they pull movie goers after seeing a movie and
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kind of get an aggregate of reactions, and it's usually
a pretty good indicator of like how a movie's going
to do, like if it's going to hold well. So
in addition to having a bad opening, it feels like
this is going to hold particularly poorly. And I just
guy won Oscar for the first one. You know, you.
Speaker 3 (54:04):
Contrast it with that that first one got Joaquin Phoenix
an Oscar, and I guess comparatively a B plus on
Cinema Score.
Speaker 1 (54:12):
So B plus to a D. That sounds like sounds
like the summer I started smoking weed and I, yeah,
it sounds like it sounds like we need to talk
to your parents. Yeah. Yeah. The fact that it's the
lowest score ever is like, just think about how many
dog shit comic book movies there have been, right, Like
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the worst one prior to this was twenty fifteen's Fantastic
Four movie, which got a C minus. This is a
flat D. Damn, that's a D flat. That's a D flat, man.
So I don't know, a lot of people are saying,
like the takeaway is that it seemed to go out
of its way to alienate the first movies fans replacing
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you know, the in cel coded Kirkland brands score vibes
with musical numbers featuring Lady Gaga.
Speaker 3 (55:04):
I was talking to somebody who saw the first one
or just saw Joker Ado.
Speaker 1 (55:09):
And Joelle I'll call Joe.
Speaker 3 (55:11):
Joelle has her takes out there for anybody to see.
She when I was we saw each other on Friday,
we all got together and.
Speaker 1 (55:20):
Were we talking about.
Speaker 3 (55:21):
That with each I know you were around anyway, we
look we all got together as a family.
Speaker 1 (55:24):
As we was around it. That was lingering.
Speaker 3 (55:27):
Yeah, but I was like, oh, tell me about you
know Joker too, And she was like, it's just so strange.
Speaker 1 (55:33):
She said, it was just.
Speaker 3 (55:33):
So weird because it felt like fundamentally Todd Phillips doesn't
understand what a musical is. Like songs just came out
like he was just breaking the song with the weirdest moments,
not even in a way where like when you watch
a musical you're like, I.
Speaker 1 (55:46):
Feel a song coming on type of thing.
Speaker 3 (55:49):
It's just like, and this part was song just apropos
of nothing. So even I guess even if you went
as a musical fan, just not even that part was
delivering so it sounds like a few few mistakes all around.
Speaker 1 (56:01):
Yeah, I feel like maybe the problem is less like wow,
they didn't pander to fans, and more that he made
a musical and seemingly had didn't know what musicals were
before he made the musical. Like we talked before about
how his quotes was like, the movie's not really a musical.
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The characters just kind of start singing when they're like
overwhelmed with emotion, and like just basically described a musical.
So it feels like maybe he had just like not
seen one. Todd Phillips also an old school filmmaker in
the sense that he steals from older filmmakers and to
also treat sequels the way they were treated in the
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seventies and eighties, like back at a time when like
a sequel was just like, look like, what do you want.
This is going to be a complete cash grap It's
a sequel. We're just going to do the same plot,
but in this time, the airplane is going into the sun,
you know, right right, we'll just call it another forty
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eight hours and it'll it'll be literally that. Because in
the past, I mean the Hangover Part two, one of
the worst sequels I've ever experienced. So maybe he's just
he's not the guy to put in charge of the
sequel to his massive you know, that was the last
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time like he captured the pulse of America with The
Hangover and with The Joker, and then both times he
used his grasp on our pulse to put everyone in
a sleeper hole immediately after with the sequel, So.
Speaker 3 (57:45):
It's he went into it like really feel I'm just
I'm reading this interview from I think right before, like
as they were getting into production, and he was just like,
why do something if it doesn't scare the shit out
of you. I'm addicted to rich. Yeah, I made old school.
Speaker 1 (58:02):
I made old school, dude, I'm addicted to risk and
road trip. You feel me.
Speaker 3 (58:08):
He's like, I mean it keeps you up at night,
it makes your hair fall out, but it's a sweat
that keeps you going, and like, yeah, broadly, that is
what you'd want, Like you want, Yeah, I wish studios
did things that scared the shit out of them. But
then to read it all and have it come back
to he's like, yeah, I don't know, And they say
he's singing some.
Speaker 1 (58:23):
Songs I don't know. Is it bad? All right, well,
it is what it is. Maybe he was commenting on
our ancient predatory ability to run animals. It is the
sweat that keeps you going. Mm hmmm. Yeah. Anyways, I
uh he started speaking with a French accent, like as
he was making this movie. I feel like that would
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be uh, that would be in keeping with what I
know of God Phillips.
Speaker 3 (58:51):
It's also so funny too, like he's for his like
artsy sort of like and he's like, yeah, dude, I'm
kind of like a fucking risk taker, you know when
I he's like you know that at the time. These
are like the comedies that were were like yo, dude,
these these things fucking are dope. He like, I guess
he was always at the shot at the Chateau Marmont,
(59:12):
like writing as if he was like Jim Morrison or
something or blueshi kind of thing, and like that's where
he was writing, like old school apparently, like that's hold
up at the chateau, right, Okay, cool dude.
Speaker 1 (59:26):
Cool shatateau, which is basically like a Disney World feature
of the Chateau Marmont at this point. Yeah, that's just
exactly Yeah, visionary yeah, I guess you could say that.
It's like nobody nobody said that word, where nobody said anything.
You just came into the room and said visionary. I
guess you could say that as.
Speaker 3 (59:47):
I was saying, this is an interview where I'm going
to ask you a question. Oh my bad, my bad,
my bad, Go ahead, go ahead.
Speaker 1 (59:54):
Those are some of the things that are trending on
this Monday, October seventh. We are back tomorrow with a
whole last episode of the show. Until then, be kind
to each other, be kind to yourself, get the vaccine,
get your flu shot, don't do nothing about white supremacy,
and we will artil tomorrow. Bye bye,
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