November 12, 2024 • 63 mins
In episode 1774, Jack and Miles are joined by journalist, comedian, and host of The Bitchuation Room, Francesca Fiorentini, to discuss… Genres Of Post Election News Story: You Have to Hand It To Them? Americans Shifted Towards Republicans And Now The Democrats Need To Be More Like Trump... AKA Democrats Need To Start Being Cruel To Minority Groups! Trump’s Pick For “Border Czar” Is As Horrible As You’d Expect and more!
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I never also knew what a French tip was until
I met Matt.
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Yeah, meat sweat water.
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Cat fishing for EU citizenship.
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to be joined as always by my co host, mister
Miles Gray.
Speaker 3 (06:49):
Oh it's Miles Gray. Akay.
Speaker 1 (06:52):
It's been one week since Democracy chopped its nuts off
and then started bleating, five days since we came to
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days of impending doom. If they know this is their fault,
they wouldn't tell you. Yesterday someone made a speech, but
I was too busy making Mala top cocktails.
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I'll see on salad for that one. It has been
one week, and what a week it's been.
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Finger pointing, fingerpoint was that was really really inspired?
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That was great?
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in Discord.
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Oh.
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trying to avoid social media just so I can continue
doing a daily news show. But hit me up and
I will send you discord invites. That's how we try
and keep the show, you know, mostly the chills like
young but anyway, yeah, hit me up because I saw
some of you hit me up about that. Anyway, if
you know the Discord, hit me up.
Speaker 5 (07:45):
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to the promised Land, Yes, is that anadium?
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Yeah? Scarborough, Ontario, Scarborough, Scarborough Country, one of my least
favorite countries these days.
Speaker 3 (08:01):
One of my favorite morning hosts.
Speaker 5 (08:02):
Though, killing it Miles. We're thrilled to be joined in
our third seats by one of our favorite guests, a
brilliant comedian, writer, journalist, activists you know from plays like
Al Jazeera at MSNBC Young from the podcast Habituation Room.
It's Francesca Fuorantin.
Speaker 3 (08:20):
I am nothing.
Speaker 5 (08:21):
I don't want to sing.
Speaker 2 (08:23):
Ship, I don't want to do a joke on my name.
Everything's terrible. I'm gonna roll up. I'm just like, I'm
like when when when are the Pitch Street battles? Let's
go Yeah, but no, I'm high.
Speaker 3 (08:35):
Nice year.
Speaker 2 (08:37):
I'm excited to have you use my like three week
old cough to uh to just scream about Democrats for
the next hour.
Speaker 5 (08:45):
Oh my god, what do you what?
Speaker 3 (08:47):
What? What do you think you're gonna be? You gonna pivot,
You're gonna try and get the Dems Joe Rogan, dem dollars.
Are you gonna keep doing your thing or fully pivot
to the right because everything's on the table. I think
right now for everyone.
Speaker 2 (09:00):
You know what, wouldn't it be so funny if I
pivoted to the right, but like no one cared.
Speaker 4 (09:07):
That would be so great if I staked at all
and was like, you know what, I'm leaving the left.
I left the left and everyone's.
Speaker 2 (09:13):
Like, okay, bye, like and like who are you? Like
sometimes I go on Piers Morgan, but then I realized
it is woke and that what like that would just
like that's why I wouldn't pivot to the right, because
like what if it wasn't you know, big enough to
actually get me any sponsorships?
Speaker 4 (09:31):
People were like.
Speaker 3 (09:32):
Cool, yeah, well no, no anyway, so here, we're gonna
burn this cross in front of that house. You got
a truck? Uh no, never mind.
Speaker 5 (09:41):
I do feel like it's probably gonna be pretty full.
Speaker 3 (09:44):
I think there's a lot of.
Speaker 2 (09:47):
Yeah, no, I'm gonna pivot to you know this. I'm
just like, honestly, maybe podcasting is not the way we
do the revolution, but no, so long as people still is,
and I'm going to try and have you know, more
activists and strategic thinkers on and and you know, actually
just kind of get involved like locally too, Like if
(10:09):
I if we can't change California, what the fuck? We're
not a blue state worth at salt, you know, like
what's look at Minnesota. Tim Walls may have lost, but
like the people of Minnesota.
Speaker 4 (10:19):
Won, like they still get him.
Speaker 3 (10:22):
Yeah so, but we got our own fucking freak job man,
Gavin Newsome. And that's that's what we do around is
we need a thing as bad as their thing, Like
what the few are.
Speaker 4 (10:36):
Completely up more homeless encampments, Like.
Speaker 3 (10:38):
Oh god, he did it himself. Were like that's the
kind of energy we need. I'm like, you are so unserious.
Please He's like.
Speaker 2 (10:45):
Next door Anderson Cooper, you know, just like going out
there and rolling up his sleeves.
Speaker 3 (10:50):
He's like, can I get a wheelbarrow? It's like no, No,
this is someone's yard. I don't care. I'm throwing this
stuff away. Fuck fuck up?
Speaker 5 (10:56):
Yeah, how do we punch down better? Teach us that
just those punches the right?
Speaker 3 (11:02):
Yeah, we want to do a sick lower cut, not
a topper cut, but undercut. Yeah yeah, there's a magic punch.
You never yeh Yeah.
Speaker 5 (11:10):
All right, Francesca, we're gonna get to know you a
little bit better in a moment. First, We're going to
tell the listeners a couple of the things we're talking about.
I just want to review some of the genres of
post election news story. You got the you have to
hand it to them, Trump and Elon Musk blah blah.
We'll talk about the America's shifted towards Republicans, and now
(11:32):
the Democrats need to do that and be more like
Trump woke, is broke, Kamala Harris actually did good compared
to how bad it could have been because other parties
in other countries had similar results regardless, so actually not
so bad, and and any other favorites that we want
to talk about. We're going to talk about Trump's pick
(11:54):
for borders are as horrible as you might expect, also
originally got his job from the Obama administration. Really we'll
talk about that. We'll talk about things to be worried
about the upcoming presidential election, all of that plenty more.
But first, Francesca, we do like to ask our guest,
what is something from your search history that's revealing about
(12:17):
who you are?
Speaker 2 (12:19):
So there is a bill that could be passed this
week that God damn it if the Democrats do this,
Like I'm fully giving up on the party completely.
Speaker 3 (12:30):
We're talking about the tax exempt status.
Speaker 2 (12:32):
Yeah, it's revoking the tax exempt status of any organization
that's so called supports terrorism. Obviously this came up because
of the anti genocide protests and organizations you know, like JBP,
Jewish Voice for Peace or if not now other progressive
Jewish groups, but also like you know, Muslim and Arab
American groups anyway, fun and I was like, let me
(12:56):
just see if some of these right wing organizations, like
the actual terror organizations that like do domestic terrorism have
tax exemp status and lo and.
Speaker 4 (13:04):
Behold a little pro public article.
Speaker 2 (13:07):
Yeah, there are are many different organizations like the Oath
Keepers had taxes emp status, American Patriot Vanguard three percent
I don't even know what that was. That a splinter
from the three percenters, I don't know, but a lot
of them. So I was just sort of curious as
to like whether those groups that actually do terrorism have
(13:27):
taxes M status.
Speaker 4 (13:29):
That's isn't that fun? Yeah?
Speaker 3 (13:30):
I know, it's like they're gonna be like, oh, that's
that's crazy that that boomerang. Huh, pretty weird if they
end up voting for I don't know, I mean, I'm
God that when I saw that that was coming out,
was preparing for people to completely forget what is on
the horizon. But I don't know. Yeah, we'll see, We'll see,
we'll see.
Speaker 5 (13:48):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (13:49):
I mean, if if people are still listening to this
in the morning, you know, you can still call your
congress person and tell them to won't know, but I
do think it'll be very revelatory because this will just
be handing Donald Trump, not that you won't already try
to revoke the nonprofit status of these groups and many
many others make it legal.
Speaker 4 (14:04):
Yeah, it'll just be handing it to him.
Speaker 3 (14:07):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (14:08):
Project Esther is part of Project twenty twenty five, that
whole plan to just basically attack dismantle any voice of
opposition to Israeli's military camp.
Speaker 3 (14:22):
Yeah, exact, any camp, any of them.
Speaker 5 (14:24):
Yeah, yeah, any of them, any of them. What is
something you think is underrated?
Speaker 2 (14:30):
I mean talking to your neighbors, you know, like, yeah,
there is a MAGA flag down the road, a piece
just like a few doors down, which I'm like, okay, girl,
But you know, I've been trying to exchange phone numbers
with my neighbors lately, and these are people who I like,
see walking their dogs and I've talked to but I
never like got their number and whatnot. And so we'll
see if little Franny gets a neighborhood, you know, dinner
(14:53):
together or some kind of meetup. But I definitely think,
you know, it's important to find your direct community and yes,
the those people live around you, and again not just
through next door and being like the homeless man's back again,
you know, whatever the fuck, but like really I.
Speaker 3 (15:09):
Called the non emergency line for the police station.
Speaker 4 (15:12):
Yeah, just like really talking to folks and like making
a point.
Speaker 2 (15:15):
You know, Working Families Party is doing these things called
We're Worth fighting for meetings, so we're worth fighting for,
worth fighting for dot org WFP again as a third party.
They run many different candidates. I think they have like
seventy candidates that won in this election. Some of them
are just Democrats, but others are WFP independence as well.
(15:37):
So you know that kind of thing is like how
can we build more community because no one's coming to
save us.
Speaker 4 (15:42):
We have to be here for one another.
Speaker 5 (15:45):
Yeah, yeah, it feels pretty it's hard. Hard to be
like the Democrats are going to figure this one out
at this point. They are not actively and immediately find
ways to not figure out yeah, or figure out the
wrong lesson. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, totally.
Speaker 3 (16:06):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (16:07):
I mean, do you feel like we're WFP or like
other of these kind of smaller, more local parties like
have the ability to build and like be a long
term solution.
Speaker 4 (16:20):
And I think so, I think they have to be.
Speaker 2 (16:22):
And I think given that, you know, you've seen the
discussion around working the working people being abandoned by Democrats,
it's like, well, it's in the name Working Families Party,
and they are strategic, meaning they will endorse Democrats when
it makes sense. They will go after seats that make
sense to go after. It's not like they are just
sort of ego driven and you know, simply against the
(16:43):
two party dopoly.
Speaker 4 (16:44):
They're really trying to run candidates. I mean, what's interesting.
Speaker 2 (16:46):
We had Maurice Mitchell of WFP on my show, The
Situation Room, and he was mentioning that like, and I
didn't know this, but Letitia James, you know, a District
Attorney of Manhattan was a WFP candidate originally, and you know,
ran on a WFP line. And that's incredible to me.
You know, now she's obviously, well, the right is threatening
(17:07):
to put her in jail.
Speaker 4 (17:09):
But TBD on that.
Speaker 2 (17:10):
But like those kinds of things where you're like, oh
you imagine, yeah, I mean, it's just like, you know,
it's like either we get the Kirston Cinema nutjobs who
are like Reynald the Green Party line and then are
accountable to literally no one, right, no one, and then
you know, becomes a regular ass corporate Democrat, or we
like really nurture candidates from the ground up. And you know,
(17:30):
I'm not sold on the Democratic Party, like I'm not.
I'm not willing to say a week out from this election,
given the massive amount of rolling over to say nothing
of the massive failure, that I would ever invest in them. Again,
that being said, I understand elections are in four years.
You know, this is there's very little time to build
up an alternative. But if there's a moment to think
(17:51):
about one, it's now. And again, WF doesn't necessarily not
endorse the Democrat.
Speaker 3 (17:56):
You know, it is a bar that has to be cleared.
Speaker 2 (17:59):
Yeah, there's a bar that us be cleared, and you
have to you know, everyone needs a political home right now,
and I think it's important, especially progressive leftists, socialists, like
there's not a lot of places you can feel like
are your political home.
Speaker 4 (18:11):
So like how do we build that? What does that
look like? You know?
Speaker 3 (18:14):
Yeah, because there's a schism coming and I mean it's
happening right now, but it's like it's about how which
side is going to be able to funnel that energy
properly into whatever this next thing is, because like you know,
as we're going to talk about every every genre of
post election story is basically being like, hey, keep trusting us,
or you have people who are like we need to
(18:35):
fucking put that shit to bed in terms of like
establishment Democrat policies. Yeah, and that's that's going to be
very interesting to see how that sort of fight for
who wants to be the home for you know, disillusioned voters.
Where that's going to happen in ters of people who.
Speaker 5 (18:50):
Whatever the solution ends up being, it's going to be
incredibly unpopular with like the current democratic establishment. Yeah, Like
that's one thing we can guarantee. Yeah, it is currently
a machine that is designed to convert like the sorts
of like class based frustration that we're talking about into
(19:11):
like pro market action, political action like that that's what
they do. And then like kind of just cover that up.
So like they're they're they're built for this, They're built
to like basically combat what they're built to lose. Yeah yeah, yeah,
yeah right, exactly at all costs, if they're built to.
Speaker 2 (19:29):
Lose and fundraise off the loss and then scare you
into going back to them.
Speaker 4 (19:33):
And and look again, I wouldn't.
Speaker 2 (19:35):
You're never gonna You didn't get you didn't hear me
arguing against voting for Harris, not on honestly, not on
any issue. I was out there saying, we have to
vote for Harris. But you know, we all have our limits.
Speaker 3 (19:49):
Yeah yeah, and being just a.
Speaker 4 (19:51):
Strategic, a moral, a political failure might be our limit,
you know, being such a toxic brand. Your brand is weak,
your brand sucks, Nobody likes your brand. You are the
sketchers of political parties and.
Speaker 3 (20:12):
Whoa, whoa, whoa, I'm wearing shape ups right now, okay,
and my hamstrings have.
Speaker 5 (20:16):
Been just slid out of it back into his shoes
and comfort.
Speaker 3 (20:22):
No, but it's true. Yeah, no, it's it's I mean again,
for most people, they were like, yeah, this is going
to be a pinch your nose election, hold your nose
at the polls thing, that's that's the problem. It's like,
oh god, fuck dude, this is the best it can
that that we can do, uh, in terms of an
alternative and.
Speaker 4 (20:41):
Yeah and under bid.
Speaker 2 (20:42):
I mean when Biden was like that, we were like, well,
we're all we your masks anyway, so you know, not
about holding your nose.
Speaker 3 (20:46):
Let's go. It smells great in here, he says. He
says he's going to be a bridge. He says he's
going to be a conduit.
Speaker 4 (20:51):
He's a transitional Canada. I'm sure.
Speaker 5 (20:55):
Primary Why is he doing that?
Speaker 3 (21:00):
Why? Why is out shout out James Clyburn.
Speaker 5 (21:06):
What's something you think is overrated? Frenchhip?
Speaker 2 (21:07):
Oh god, yes, I didn't mean for this to be
so long, but it is. I do think that running
on democracy is overrated. Like threatening people with the loss
of democracy is overrated in this country because our democracy
is on life support. Our democracy has not delivered for people.
(21:28):
Our democracy has been abused, not just by Trump but
by many many politicians, whether it's from the amount of
money that is festering in our democratic process to the
fact that we've had stolen elections. Hello year two thousand,
two thousand and four, A lot of funct shit went
down with Bush's reelection. So I just you cannot sell
(21:49):
the American people on a system they don't think is
actually delivered for them. Democracy is only so good as
you can actually deliver for people, and so you can't
care them anymore until they're like, you know what, I
kind of like a good scare, until everyone starts to
get all Halloween about shit and is like, yeah, yeah,
maybe we need authoritarianism and mass deportations for the price
(22:12):
of eggs to go down. So I just think that
is it's very overrated. I wish it weren't. But case
in point, how was Trump even able to run in
the first place? Two states tried to remove him from
their ballot, and his own fucking hand picked Supreme Court
allowed it to said that was illegal for them to do.
Speaker 4 (22:33):
People tried.
Speaker 2 (22:33):
We have a constitutional amendment that says you can't run
for election if you incited an insurrection against the country.
Speaker 4 (22:39):
So what the fuck good is our fucking democracy? And
you sure shit aren't going to convince me.
Speaker 2 (22:44):
I'm sorry to invest in this party that within twenty
four hours has rolled over for Donald Trump after you
just said he was the greatest threat to our demarke Well,
act like it, bitch, act like it.
Speaker 3 (22:57):
Yeah, yeah, where's that energy? Yet? I thought you're not
keeping the same energy. The only same energy I've seen
is from the fundraising texts that are still coming in,
and I'm like, and then you eat that thing, like, oh,
y'all are broke. We Blewe through a lot of money, man. Also, wow,
how where look why we were lying to Harris the
whole time about how much money we had.
Speaker 5 (23:17):
We were. We're in a lot of trouble with some
bad people.
Speaker 4 (23:21):
We paid way too many influencers to do terrible video.
Speaker 3 (23:25):
Do not look at the cost of what it took
to put that shit on the ORB in Vegas?
Speaker 5 (23:30):
Yes, yes, oh my god, yes, Julia Robert's not cheap. Guys.
Speaker 4 (23:35):
Trump must have been so jealous of that, Like if
there's one thing of he was.
Speaker 3 (23:39):
Like, oh yeah.
Speaker 5 (23:41):
It seems like a lot of their campaign was just
doing stuff that would piss Trump off, like the Julia
Roberts endorsement, Like doesn't matter to anyone except Donald Trump,
who is still stuck in the late eighties in New
York City.
Speaker 3 (23:54):
And he doesn't even know her name. He just calls
her a pretty woman. Did pretty women come out against me.
Speaker 5 (24:00):
Fuck, but yeah, I think you're exactly right that, like
running on the current system is in is under threat
by the other guy, was maybe exactly the wrong message,
primary message at a time when everybody wanted change, like
(24:21):
that's all anybody cared about, and when you're like your
message is the current systems under threat, he's gonna he's
gonna dismantle the whole dang thing. And also the current
system is better than you think it is.
Speaker 4 (24:37):
Yes, you can't say that's got to fuck.
Speaker 5 (24:39):
You real, real, real hard, and.
Speaker 3 (24:42):
Did Yeah, I mean like one of those things. As
it was happening, I felt like every week we're like,
oh no, the change it was so wide. That's like
that's not a good ad. That's not a good ad,
like you're saying. If anything, it's like, yeah, the Republicans
like what we're on and you're like, oh, that's okay. Yeah.
Speaker 5 (25:03):
The change stuff like in addition to being just horrific
and exactly like just a perpendicular like exactly in the
wrong direction for like what they should have been doing
from a international relations you know what what our international
policy was on the genocide in Gaza. It's just like
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from an economic standpoint, like the big failure that happened
that like started people down the path of being like
this whole thing needs to be fucking torn down, like
that like made that realization, crystallized it in people's mind.
Happened when he was running the like it was widely
(25:46):
agreed that he was running the country at that time,
and like.
Speaker 2 (25:51):
Well, and she voted with him ninety percent of the time,
Liz Cheney did. But honestly, let's be real, like the
Republican Party bankrupting us from two plus wars in eight
years of Bush is very relevant to the point where
at the Republican Party now sees those former administration officials
as bad for their brand because they understand and it's
just like I can't, I can't.
Speaker 5 (26:13):
I mean, that was one of those first ways that
Trump broke with the Republican establishment was like, George Bush
is a fucking disasters, is a disaster.
Speaker 2 (26:23):
His brand obviously is much more like we should have
taken all the oil and like let's make the let's
go to war with the cartels.
Speaker 3 (26:30):
Amount of money on the table, They will.
Speaker 4 (26:32):
Go to war with the cartels, by the way.
Speaker 3 (26:34):
This will happen, so good for us.
Speaker 4 (26:36):
Oh yeah, oh, I'm really excited.
Speaker 2 (26:38):
Uh it's like what if like our like special forces
are going to start to be like as awful and
disgusting and just like, well, we've got to create you know,
the uh whatever, you know, the MS thirteen of the
US military.
Speaker 3 (26:54):
Everything is that way. It's like, well, we need our
own MS thirteen. Yeah, right, yeah, they're called the police too.
Can begether everywhere. You can do whatever, do whatever you want,
do whatever you want.
Speaker 5 (27:03):
That does seem to be one of the big takeaways,
which we'll talk about when we get back from this break.
But the idea of like, well, he's a bad guy.
Bad guys are exciting. We need our own bad guy.
And it's like, so what now are we saying, Yeah,
we should be evil, we should just be the evil
in a different willer. Yeah, let's take a quick break.
We'll be right back, and we're back. We're back and
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uh yeah, So I just wanted to you know that.
I feel like there are broad groupings of types of
post election news story. Genre is the post election news
story that are damaging and sort of sending people down
a unhelpful path. I think mostly the mainstream media response
(27:59):
has been that with like a handful of stories being like,
maybe it's the demo, maybe it's just the Democratic Party
cratering because they didn't do the thing that their base
has been telling them they needed to do for the
past I don't know, ten years.
Speaker 3 (28:13):
Maybe longer.
Speaker 5 (28:14):
But one of them And we got this in twenty sixteen,
and I think it seems like we're getting it again.
Is the you gotta hand it to them? In twenty sixteen,
it was you gotta hand it to Trump and Bannon,
and now it's gonna be you gotta hand it to
Trump and Musk Like this these guys, I mean they already.
Speaker 2 (28:37):
Fucking I mean, they worked with so little, with only
all of the world's riches, right, they were able to
do so much. Yes, who would have thought with everything
available to you you could win an election?
Speaker 5 (28:53):
Yeah? Yeah, yeah, So assuming that they knew exactly what
they were doing all along, like Elon Musk knew Trump
one before anyone actually voted on Tuesday, because he has
his magic app according to Joe Rogan, and like they're
just like behind the scenes, brilliant geniuses. This assumes that
either of them could have been any other way in
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this election, or ever at any point in their life,
which they've never, never, not done exactly what they were doing,
like this is who they are because of the deep
set of like moral catastrophes that are like their entire
personalities they are built on, and their very specific personality
(29:38):
disorders that are happened to be cheat codes for the
system that we're operating under. I think the thing that
was incorrect, the assumption that was incorrect or was hopeful
copium Cope Cain in the lead up to the election,
was that it was harming them electorally and in reality
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in the very specific situation where they were the only
alternative to a democratic party that insisted on doubling down
with the establishment like they were they were right, like
they could do what they were doing, and anybody pointing
out how fucked up what they were saying was was
just underlining like that there they were, like outside of
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the system, outside.
Speaker 2 (30:26):
Of the established, giving them and giving them like free
press and yes, and drawing people to their very coherent
fascistic message of demonizing anyone who is other and white grievance.
Speaker 3 (30:41):
Yeah, it's wild though, Like you know, for the longest,
you know, since basically Biden took office, always talked about
how wow, now the Democrats are literally just their only
striving like, well, at least we're not them. At least
we're not them. Hey, you see these guys were not them,
and the Republicans ran again. That campaign was everything anecdotally
(31:02):
you heard was like this shit is so backwards. But
the Republicans said, hey, at least we're not them, and
people were like, yeah, at least you're not them. That's
how easy it was. It was truly that simple. Like
aside from again, it's not that easy because they're definitely
a huge disturbing amount of people that were totally bought
in on going full fucking cruelty with this administration. But
(31:23):
then again, there are people who have no idea who
Liz Chainy is no idea how like like half of
these news stories didn't get to them, but merely they're like, yeah,
at least they're not them ended up working out, and
just the irony of that, rather than delivering something or
at least giving people to say this is how things
can be different. That that didn't work. I don't know,
(31:43):
it's it's a very cruel irony to watch it play
out in real time. But I think something that most
people who observed it were like, this isn't a good strategy,
Like that's not enough to just be like, hey, we're
not them, Yeah we're not.
Speaker 4 (31:56):
You should have been more like they not like us, right.
Speaker 3 (31:59):
Right right now, Donald Trump is we just needed.
Speaker 2 (32:01):
One more endorsement from Kendrick and I feel like the
DAMS could have pulled through.
Speaker 5 (32:07):
Yeah that's all if they didn't get a Drake endorsement.
I feel like that would have been so on point,
and like just keeping.
Speaker 3 (32:13):
Withiity to not fuck up. We got jaw Rule and
Drake coming up, y'all, jah Rule and Drake.
Speaker 5 (32:22):
Oh okay that that last second headliner that canceled at
the d NZ was actually Diddy and they like found
out what they're like, oh shit, okay, yeah that might
not work so Diddy, Drake Collabo, Yeah, there's so many.
Speaker 3 (32:37):
Yeah, Like the whole thing of we must handle him
is so disturbing because like to your point, Francisca, it
truly does be like, well, I guess we gotta we
gotta hug him now, that's that's all there is. And
that kind of energy is so alarming to see again,
based on what you're like, exactly how they were a
campaign like this is the end of fuck the fucking
everything as you know it. Yeah, and then yeah, al
(33:00):
right whatever because and I think that also reveals to
them too, because Democrats love all like the political like, yo,
I'll guess what, I get more dollars when I have
to be like, all right, man, how are we going
to win this next one? Let me let me see
those let me see those consulting dollars real quick. And
that's when you become so like, I don't know, it's
just so easy to become cynical if you're observing it,
you know, in this way constantly because yeah.
Speaker 2 (33:21):
Yeah, exactly, act like it hurts to lose, and then
will believe you when you say that you must win.
But when Joe Biden is out there saying Americans just
chose a different vision, I'm sorry, You're not the leader
of the party. You've never been a leader of the party. Honestly,
like the whole week, this feels like the end of
(33:42):
Usual Suspects.
Speaker 4 (33:44):
Spoiler if you're eighty.
Speaker 3 (33:45):
And has a spoiler for you, skip ahead two minutes
if you don't.
Speaker 5 (33:50):
And it's pretty surprising because now like the person who
ends up being the bad guy like you're you're never
gonna believe it these days. Okay, go ahead, No.
Speaker 2 (33:58):
But just just like I I think the election might
have been called, you know, in twenty twenty one at
the end of that year, when it was so clear
that Joe Biden was unable to deliver on his promises
because he could not actually bring some of these corporate
centrist Democrats in the Senate like Mansion and Cinema to
actually vote with him, wasn't able to apply pressure to
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get that only gave them concessions and like allowed a
Senate parliamentarian to block raising the minimum wage via you know,
the reconciliation bills, and just like you know, if you
for a hindsight on how much ground we lost, Bernie
Sanders's last book is very very painful, but also really
(34:41):
important to like, oh yeah, so much was squandered in
those initial months, to say nothing of Merrick Garland actually
going after Trump for the gen and six stuff, but
again presuming that none of that would have had an
effect because nobody really cares about January sixth, just put
that away actually delivering for the American people, And so
my mind is like I'm like there, you know, like
Chaz Palmentary like watching the or Chad Pulmonary watching like
(35:04):
all the little.
Speaker 4 (35:04):
Pieces of evidence. Yeah, like Chaz chas yet did I
get it right the first seme.
Speaker 3 (35:11):
It feels like that's not a name.
Speaker 5 (35:14):
Yeah, Mega, Chaz Promonary is exactly.
Speaker 2 (35:19):
I love I love this, And he's like, oh okay,
Senate like Democrats won't replace Senate parliamentarian and build back
better gets scrapped for Inflation Reduction Act, like inflation rates skyrocket.
Biden refuses to lower you know, the interest rates until
whatever whatever. Twenty twenty six is only when the Medicare
(35:42):
negotiations for drug prices will even kick in, like all
of these things, and then you're like, oh shit, we're
gonna lose. And then Biden's out there hobbling away and
then his leg starts to straighten out, and this bitch
that's actually him. You know, if I had money to
do this sketch, I would, because this is what it's
you do.
Speaker 3 (36:00):
You could do it a I probably you know, yeah,
you actually probably could.
Speaker 4 (36:05):
I'm sharing it. I'm glaring.
Speaker 3 (36:09):
Guy.
Speaker 5 (36:09):
I was actually pretty ted. I don't know if you've
heard about it, but.
Speaker 3 (36:12):
Yeah, it could watch I'll probably cook some up by
the end of the episode, you can check it out.
But yeah, no, it is. It is so, I mean
because you also look at the polling like it was
its highest. When he's like, hey man, y'all need some checks, right,
you'll need some material support. And then everything that expired,
it's like you can tie a fucking ribbon to like
the poles going down with every with every bit of
(36:34):
social safety net and every bit of support that was
coming out dwindling and turning into dust. And that's when
it's like, yeah, and we've hit bottom because now like
y'all are on your own anyway. So I'm going to
be running in a couple of years, So just a
quick preview, I.
Speaker 2 (36:51):
Like, have this this black woman run, pick my flaming
pile of dog shit of a campaign off the ground,
and if she.
Speaker 3 (36:58):
Does a very last second, we can all blame woke.
Speaker 5 (37:02):
Yeah right he yeah, he threw up his hands and
was like, what am I supposed to do? Like, my
hands are tied. I'm only the president of the United States.
And then we're surprised that they lost. He lost and
his administration lost to a strong man who's like I
fuck that, you know, like and then like one of
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the things that Trump indexed the best with is just
like can change things, can like do strong leadership, can
do a strong leadership.
Speaker 3 (37:33):
Did you see those things? Like when AOC posted like
she asked people who split their ticket why they did that,
and so many people were like, I don't know, Trump's different.
But then I voted blue so that people could put
the brakes on whatever Trump tried to do. But like that,
like that thinking was so much like change it at
the top, but at least put breaks in the form
of a demo, like of voting in democrats, and then
(37:56):
it Yeah, it's just such a completely different world that
voters are living. And then again these consultants who are
saying stuff like ignore the polling that says people don't
understand that the Biden economy is not working for them.
Speaker 4 (38:08):
They're right there, actually good shit, Like there's so.
Speaker 3 (38:11):
Much of that, Oh, you're good, you're good, don't worry
about them, don't worry about them, going more to this,
don't war. They're fucking it's all fucking good. And that's
what's like, So again, like this new like the other
genre of story that you see so much too is
trying to go all in on well, all that shit
of like being considerate of people's needs and like marginalized groups,
that's all out the window. That's fucking garbage. That's nothing,
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that doesn't that's again, so many of these arguments are
just to avoid the fact that they weren't willing to
really grapple with the real issues. And again that both
parties are beholden to capital and so because of that,
it's and the Democrats if they come off as like
firefighters that aren't allowed to use water or talk about
(38:55):
water to sell, They're like, yo, bro okay, man, we're
gonna put this fire out. Trust us, And everyone's like yeah, man, water,
water will help. They're like, ah, anything but that any
other thing. Foam? Can we use foam? Can we maybe
use some chemicals to put in Like no, no, no,
water that's really good, Like nah, fuck that because that'll
fuck up. Shut the fuck up. We can't talk about
(39:15):
that solution because that actually that upsets the entire balance
of power that we're there to protect. So it just
looks foolish when from the outside you're like deliver for
people are fucking hurting, But then the people that are
running there's a thing right, most people at the heights
of democratic leadership that they just do not understand. There's
a specific sense of pain and fucking hopelessness that comes
(39:37):
along with being in a group of truly oppressed or
marginalized people. That that's something that your class in race
typically insulates you from. Not to say that you are
completely insulated just based on that, but for the people
that rise to those heights either they maybe they experienced
it for a little bit, but for too long they
have not felt that pain and hopelessness that normal that
(39:58):
regular people feel when they look at things like their income,
how do they make sure their kids are going to
be educated, what's their healthcare look like? All that shit,
and it's a feeling of injustice that crushes you because
you see no way to get that weight off. So
acknowledging these forces is what brings people together in a
powerful way that actually supersedes so many other versions of
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how people identify. They're like, damn, yeah, I do feel
that shit, there is something deeper that I'm feeling. But
again they only offer like empty words of solidarity and
then act like super confused at the end of the
day when none of that shit worked and I just
think that that's a huge part of like another part
of the disconnect that there is.
Speaker 2 (40:40):
Yeah, and I think, you know, the question is like
what's the water right what can't we say? Is it
economic populism or is it also being able to just
name that This is not about left or right.
Speaker 4 (40:49):
This is about a you know, a war between the
haves and the have not. This is class war.
Speaker 2 (40:54):
This is about billionaires versus the rest of us. And
not being able to name corporate capture and not being
able to name the billionaire class is It's like, yeah,
it's like, you're right, We're running this fucking campaign, like
we're playing a game of taboo and we have to,
you know, avoid saying all the things that actually galvanize people.
And what's so frustrating is like you allowed a party
(41:17):
to win on perceived grievances trans people in sports or
whatever the hell perceive grief, the white race, and decline
men not having enough rights when you have all of
these legitimate grievances that are very real that you can't
(41:37):
even name. I mean, I think the other thing about
the Democratic Party that I think, you know, Trump is awful,
but he is at least honest about the amount of
cynicism that Americans have about our country. The Democrats have
to be honest about that cynicism and about that desperation.
Otherwise they're just in fucking la la land, and it
feels like they're not serious about anything. So that is
(42:02):
just amazing to me. Like, and again, not only that,
but I know when we're going to talk about this,
but like your lessons from your James Carvill's and your
Joe Scarborough's and all these other fucking former Republicans. I
don't know if Carville was, but might as well have been.
Speaker 5 (42:13):
You know.
Speaker 4 (42:13):
It's like, well, we were two woke. So once again
you're gonna hit the already oppressed communities again and again
and again and again, and you're like.
Speaker 3 (42:22):
Leave them is what the mess? You leave them? Leave
them behind, leave them behind? No fuck no, no, no.
Speaker 5 (42:28):
It's while that they Yeah, they were running in a
campaign that if you focused on corporate capture, corporations and billionaires,
like billionaires are the most obvious bad guys. And you're
running against a billionaire, yes, who is like more funded
by billionaires than ever, and you just squandered that opportunity
(42:54):
by like not even naming like there are some things
that the Democrats do where they'll like name a thing
that they know is bad, like racism, and you know,
and but then or like they'll say hope and change
and actually not do hope and change, but like they
wouldn't even say the billion like other outside of like
the Sanders campaign, they wouldn't even really make that a focus,
(43:18):
you know, like they just wouldn't do it because it's yeah,
too damaging to the donors. And so they outraised allegedly
and got completely killed.
Speaker 2 (43:31):
Yeah, and obviously I don't know how much we're going
to talk about it, but it's like, you know, you
look at the numbers. The numbers aren't that crazy. It
wasn't a you know, it wasn't a sweep. It was
just a couple million people not showing up.
Speaker 5 (43:43):
Yeah, yeah, but yeah, I mean that's another one that
we've kind of talked about a lot already, but would
love to have your Yet, you know, the America's shifted
towards Republicans, and now Democrats need to start being cruel
to minority groups like that.
Speaker 4 (44:00):
We we we love.
Speaker 2 (44:02):
Trump wants diet diet stuff. You know, It's like, but
nobody else wants the diet version, I mean meaning coke.
I can't make that joke work. But you know what
I'm saying, It's just nobody.
Speaker 3 (44:12):
Call that crack exactly. Yeah, that's a push a t bar.
All right, let's uh, let's take a quick break.
Speaker 5 (44:19):
We'll come back. We'll talk about who Trump's pick for
borders are is and other ship that we should be
specifically concerned about. We'll be right back, and we're back.
Speaker 3 (44:42):
We're back.
Speaker 5 (44:43):
And wait, Francesca, what are you actually do you have
some belief in the like stolen election conspiracy theories?
Speaker 3 (44:54):
If I'll say this, if some if some actual evidence
came out, I go, go on, I'm listening.
Speaker 2 (45:00):
Yeah, of course, it's all about the actual evidence. I mean,
I'm someone who doesn't I think that the truth does matter. Right, Like,
so I'm someone who I'm a leftist who thinks that
the Democratic Party used the Russia stuff as an excuse.
But I also believe the Russia stuff was real. The
Donald Trump president campaign colluded with Russia, back channeled through
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Roger Stone and Paul Manniford, who met with Julian Assange.
Speaker 4 (45:26):
Like that stuff is real. It is real. That ra
was a funnel for massive amounts of dark money from
Russian oligarchs into the Trump coffers whatever, like, I think
it's important. The problem was when you're like, why did
I get her started on this? The problem was when
you know, Republican Robert Muller was seen as this fucking hero,
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this bitch not gonna do anything. He found that there
was a collusion, and he recommended no penalty because he's
the president ultimately at the end of the day. So
that's my thing is like, no matter us finding the
truth truth, maybe there was Starlink satellites doing some weird stuff.
Shouldn't we know how much and to what extent? And
(46:07):
if this is ridiculous, you're not. That doesn't take away
from the fact that this still was a loss from
the Democrats. I mean Greg Pallas, investigative journalists, always says,
you have to overwhelm the steel as Democrats. You have
to you know, the voters are gonna get purged, you know,
namely black Americans in the South, they are going to
be a you know, barred from voting. You got to
vote so much that you overwhelm the steel. Yeah, that's
(46:30):
not that's very unjust. At the end of the day,
like if things were stolen, we should know. So yeah,
I'm like five percent in at this point, but if
I see more evidence.
Speaker 5 (46:40):
Yeah, with the Russian stuff, I feel like it's similar
to some of the things we were talking about earlier
with Democrats poisoning their own brand, where like there was
it did prove the incredible power of social media and
like all these you know, back channels and just like
things that aren't evident to the mainstream media or just
(47:01):
like evident to people at all, that are happening on
social media that are really hard to uh police. But
it became the Russia stuff, you know, and like Muller,
you know, fucking up the investigation and ultimately it becomes
something that like doesn't actually hold water as like a
thing that the Democrats can complain about or focus on.
(47:22):
And I think we're now in a place with this
world of like tech oligarchs like having a huge part
in the election that just happened.
Speaker 2 (47:31):
I mean, also, we know every accusation is a confession.
So when Marjorie Taylor Green is like, you know, the
Rothschild space laser or you know, Sydney Powell was was
saying like Italy Gate, where satellites flip votes for you know,
from from to Biden in twenty twenty and you're like,
that's so silly.
Speaker 5 (47:47):
Wait a minute, wait, why are they saying that?
Speaker 4 (47:50):
I remember imaginative right right, so.
Speaker 3 (47:53):
To satellite overthrow election.
Speaker 5 (47:57):
All right, So just in terms of like things to
keep our eye on in the coming Trump administration, man.
Speaker 4 (48:08):
I'm calling him who man?
Speaker 5 (48:10):
Yeah, oh I like it.
Speaker 3 (48:12):
Use a hole man.
Speaker 5 (48:15):
Obviously, the mass deportation promise that the Trump administration has
made like day one is at the near the top
of everybody's list. And Trump has announced that his borders
are will be Tom ho Man, his former acting head
of ICE, who was quote one of the architects behind
(48:37):
the family separation policy. He began heading ICE during the
Obama administration, which is when the Obama administration broke all
sorts of deportation records. And he had previously said that
if Trump is re elected, they ain't seen shit yet.
Wait until twenty twenty five, they ain't seen shit.
Speaker 3 (48:59):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (48:59):
I told him that at a dinner.
Speaker 2 (49:02):
Yeah, there's always more scum in the Trump orbit. That
usually again scum from other administrations, Bid administration and scum too.
But it's so funny that this person was part of
the Obama administration and help them, you know him deport
you know, be the deporter in chief, which, by the way,
was all a product of the fact that he wasn't
(49:22):
willing to dismantle what George W. Bush had created and
set up post War on terror, Like if he had
done that, then the mechanisms to deport people wouldn't have
been there.
Speaker 4 (49:34):
But I digress. You know, I've been debating right wingers
and they'll all be like, you know, Pere's morgan to
say to be able to Obama was a deporter in chief. Oh,
And I was like, yeah, that was bad.
Speaker 2 (49:43):
And then then you turn around and embrace the same guy.
And again this is just it is, it's laughing in
all of our faces. There is no left right, there
is no blue red. These are the same ghouls day
and in day, and yeah they're working against the majority
of us.
Speaker 3 (50:03):
Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah yeah. This is I mean coupling
that too with like Stephen Miller, you know, teenager and
Ninja Gebel's own fucking quote to be like, there's gonna
be a turbocharged operation to denaturalize people, which is my
mother is a naturalized American citizen, you know what I mean,
(50:23):
like many many of us who have immigrant parents there
they are naturalized US citizens, and that is a very
grim thing to like wrap your head around about being
like what the fuck I know, and like I think
and a lot of people who voted are doing things
like well, they're gonna go after the bad people first, yeah, first, right,
and then they then they make their way down the list.
(50:45):
I mean, unless they are going to deport Milania, in
which case there's that's a great maybe policy for Trump's
divorce or whatever. But that's like that is the just
the just like the hard truth of it all that
like having to really wrap your mind around these things
is really fucking it's un settling. And for all the
people too, who's whose families come here in whatever capacity
they do, and to think of how that's going to
(51:07):
completely destroy that, I think is something that were I
don't know. He also feels like one of those policies
were Republicans like yeah, we're gonna do that, and they're like, wait,
that's my wife right right exactly.
Speaker 5 (51:21):
He's suggested that politicians who limit cooperation with ICE should
be charged with crimes. Publicly warned immigrants you should look
over your shoulder and you need to be worried, and
sometimes referred to undocumented immigrants as quote tunks while he
was in Washington. According to two former DHS officials, people
familiar with the terms say it is border patrol slang
(51:45):
that comes from the sound made when hitting someone over
the head with a flashlighter baton. So he denied using
the term and said he hadn't heard it in years.
Speaker 3 (51:55):
Oh that is such a weird denial. I know, hi,
did you?
Speaker 5 (51:59):
Sir?
Speaker 3 (51:59):
Did you? Is the n word? I heard that in
years for weeks. Huh.
Speaker 4 (52:06):
He said in front of Congress, you should look over
your shoulder, like this is what I'm saying. These motherfuckers
relish in the fascism. They're so excited to do this stuff.
Speaker 2 (52:18):
And the problem is, remember the first administration, we were
all like, okay, well, the silver lining is he's disorganized,
you know, and he wishes he were Mussolini or Hitler
in the way that it was like as if the
trains are going to run on time. First of all,
number one, what trains in America? But number two, you know,
like everything's it will be chaotic. But also you don't
(52:38):
have to be cruelty is the point. The point isn't
necessarily to be exacting, it is to be cruel. It is,
to my earlier point, to be a gang. It's like, no,
we're going to be a narco state as well. We're
going to be the cletocratic. Yeah, and if and if
it also means open season on you know, in it
(53:00):
men or people on the board or who are militia
who happen to take matters into their own hands because
they're they're waiting for Trump administration to staff up, to
say nothing of the kinds of people who would then
be fold into CBP. As if CBP is not already
a reckless, lawless organization in and of itself with some
of the most extremeist members. I know, I'm this is
very depressing.
Speaker 4 (53:20):
It's too hard to talk about it, but you know, yeah,
no right, buckles, all your neighbors.
Speaker 3 (53:27):
Yeah, it's and it truly is like I feel like
some of the quotes that you hear too truly do
feel just they are they want to exert as much
stress and fear are and inspire as much fear from
people as possible. And like party, You're like, that's is
that rhetorical? And then you're like hmm. This person is
pretty bout it, like in terms of like what their
(53:50):
entire career has spelled out, and that they were like
too extreme for some organizations and now are like finding
a home in the Trump organization. It's yeah, it's yeah,
you're just speechless, you know. And I think that's going
to be a really interesting part too, is to see
how many people are able to connect the cruelty policy
(54:11):
wise to what happened in this election, or if some
people are going to. I mean, that's the thing, is
like how many people are going to be able to
look at what's happening and either explain it away in
their head so they don't have to engage with it,
or actually begin to understand like the actual threat that
this poses for everyone, because I think America still has
(54:32):
that thing where like all of the terrible shit in
our society is like mold on the corner of a
bread loaf, but people live on the opposite end of
the bread loaf, and they're like, yeah, that shit's over there,
that's for that, without understanding how mold proliferates and eventually
reaches you.
Speaker 4 (54:47):
But the other side of the bread though, yeah, right,
or the show.
Speaker 5 (54:52):
The other side of the bread I believe in.
Speaker 4 (54:54):
Just yet you just like cut off the moldy part, yeah,
cut it off?
Speaker 3 (54:57):
Yeah yeahah yeah, yeah, maybe we can.
Speaker 4 (55:00):
I mean yeah Florida by yeah or just yeah.
Speaker 3 (55:03):
I mean just understanding how these policies are going to
intersect with people's lives, and like I also just it's
also really disheartening to hear I understand the anger people
feel and they're like, well, I hope you get every
single thing that you wanted Blue Maga yeah and yeah,
and it's just gonna be like most people are going
(55:24):
to experience some form of huge disruption and pain because
of what is happening. So rather than like, don't think
you're gonna be fine just because you're a Democrat or
some shit like, that's completely absurd, and I think more
people need to actually kind of think about what that means,
like how we're going to have to like protect each other,
not to say we need to go hug our maga neighbors,
(55:45):
but that the actual support we need to offer each
other as human beings that is going to be much
more pronounced than previous eras that we've lived through.
Speaker 2 (55:53):
But it's crazy because it's like I have like neighbors,
you know, two doors down who I was saying, like, well,
I don't know if I told you guys that has
a MAGA flag and like their daughters will sometimes sit
for my kid. And I'm just like, oh no, and
I didn't see that, you know, the MAGA flag. The
girls aren't responsible obviously, But then right in front is like,
you know this Latino elder Latino man, and I'm like, I,
(56:16):
you know, just checked in with him to see what's
going on. If he's good, he's yeah, you know, everyone's nervous.
You know, the California's just full of like you know,
mixed status families in terms of immigration and and so
it's like this can be you know, in one in
one block, you can have that kind of you know, dissonance.
And so I'm yet to approach the Maga neighbor to say, hey,
(56:37):
if you need anything, you know, if the tariffs really
come down hard on.
Speaker 4 (56:42):
You or.
Speaker 5 (56:44):
You know, I know, this could be really bad for you.
Speaker 2 (56:47):
Yeah, I mean, I'm thinking of all the all the
homeowners trying to get like you know there there they're
second homes remodeled, but there's going to be no day
laborers to hire.
Speaker 4 (56:55):
Once they're all de Yeah, thinking about that, you.
Speaker 5 (56:59):
Think this is just bad for you, Think about them.
Speaker 3 (57:01):
We wanted a Cape Cod farmhouse type thing, and now
we're just gonna have to deal with this ranch style.
Speaker 4 (57:08):
Yeah, Jesus.
Speaker 5 (57:10):
Well, Francesca, it's been wonderful having you on the show.
Thank you so much for coming on talking about these
difficult things at this difficult time. You're always so smart
and really appreciated. I feel like I got smarter and
maybe a little bit more hopeful having you on. So
thanks for thank you for doing it where it right now.
Speaker 2 (57:31):
Well, I feel bad because I'm like, well, I ranted
so much. We hardly got to a couple of stories.
Speaker 3 (57:36):
But well, I mean, but this is, this is where
we're at. This feels like there's so much shit in
Flux right now. I don't know how like we like,
everyone just needs to articulate whatever they're feeling. I think
that's the only way through this very early period that
we're in. So yeah, I mean what I mean, Yeah,
we can focus on more of this specific horrible ship
(57:57):
that's up the road.
Speaker 2 (57:58):
But yeah, I mean, yeah, that's what I'm just like,
you know, everybody needs to find something that's like generative
and makes them feel good, like even moments where you're
not I mean, plug into the news.
Speaker 4 (58:08):
Listen to this show, listen to my show, the Situation Room.
Speaker 2 (58:10):
I was gonna plug that because you were leading to
that situation Room trying to have like comedians and experts
and activists on.
Speaker 4 (58:16):
But also like do shit that like is good for
you and you people around you. I feel like that
we have to reclaim that well, also resisting, but not
in I don't know, in a way that feels healthy.
Speaker 5 (58:30):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, Any anything else? Any any other
places people should go to check you out besides the
Situation Room?
Speaker 2 (58:36):
Yeah, just follow me on the social Franny fo f
r A and I fio.
Speaker 5 (58:42):
And is there a work of media that you've been enjoying.
Speaker 2 (58:45):
I found something there's usually it's Instagram these days, but
it is from inside History.
Speaker 4 (58:55):
Lots of followers. This one's for me.
Speaker 2 (58:56):
Really female frogs fake death to avoid unwonted attention from males.
Speaker 4 (59:03):
And it's just a frog.
Speaker 2 (59:04):
Like like just like I rolling up like looks like
it's churning gray And I love that. I love the
idea that you would just try to die before some
guy approached you in a bar, it's like start joking
on your own spit or just like have a heart attack. No,
that would only incur like him to try to save you.
Speaker 3 (59:26):
I know.
Speaker 5 (59:26):
I was like, does that work for the frogs?
Speaker 3 (59:29):
I feel did you take cyanide lady?
Speaker 2 (59:32):
Yeah, but the idea of yeah, I mean, I like,
I guess my version of that would be kind of
act crazy, like very erratic. Like if you're walking home
late at night and you're a woman and you're alone,
like just do a little zigzagging little like weird zombie movements.
No one's gonna fuck with you.
Speaker 3 (59:48):
Yeah, but good on Frogs.
Speaker 5 (59:50):
Miles, Where can people find you as their working media?
Speaker 3 (59:52):
You've been enjoying Twitter, Instagram, Blue Sky even Yeah, Miles
of Gray. However you find that, follow me there. I
literally haven't started following people there, but you know, you
got to. You gotta make sure you're diversified in these
social media days. Also find Jacket on the basketball podcasts
with Jacko, mad Boosti's and you can find Sofia, Alexander
(01:00:14):
and I talking about ninety day Fiance. As you kind
of heard in the last episode on four twenty Day Fiance.
You know, in terms of like the media. I'm just
I'm just really just watching music, watching a lot of
musical performances, arts self expression. So the Colors Show is
always a great watch on YouTube and you always find
(01:00:35):
amazing artists doing that. So just do that because honestly,
social media, like I can't like it's it's fucking ridiculous
right now.
Speaker 4 (01:00:42):
The Color Show Is this something you enjoy with your
little one?
Speaker 3 (01:00:46):
Yeah, cause it's cool. It's just like it's just a
live It's like artists performing in front of like like
a one color backdrop and it's just them on a
mic and it's just super simple. But usually like when
the performances are good, they're so good. It's just you
can just see their energy as a performer in a
way that's like just very simple and easy to understand.
Speaker 5 (01:01:07):
I love it. Yeah. Uh you can find me on
Twitter at Jack Underscore O'Brien uh tweet I've been enjoying.
Kate Lowell oh No tweeted kettle chips are great because
the crunch is louder than my thoughts. That's a useful
tool for all of us to having our arsenal Arsenal
you can find arsenal mouth. There's one for you.
Speaker 3 (01:01:30):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (01:01:30):
You can find us on Twitter at daily Zeikeist for
a d Daily Zeikeist on Instagram. We have a Facebook
fan page and a website, daily zeikeist dot com, where
we post our episodes and our footnotes. We link off
to the information that we talked about in today's episode,
as well as a song that we think you might
enjoy mill as well. Song do you think people might enjoy.
Speaker 3 (01:01:47):
Again, I'm in my West Coast Bag, I'm in my
La Bag. Doci is such a dope artist who's killing
it right now. Their new album is out too. We
went out out on a track I think Nissan all
Them a while back. But she also did a Colors
Show performance of her song Stressed and that one again.
People don't realize how lyrically nice Doci is. You must
(01:02:12):
get familiar because she is spitting Magma. Okay, that's that's
heat rocks. So this is Stressed a Colors Show Magma,
Magma m A g m A Yes, molten rock. Yes,
this is Stressed from a Colors Show. It's available for
most streaming platforms, but really check out the YouTube version
(01:02:35):
because when you watch her like actually rap, it's trans
it's it will it will you will you will It's transported,
you will go It's transcendent. Okay, you will go somewhere else.
So anyway, stressed doci a color show. Check it out.
D O E C H I I.
Speaker 5 (01:02:50):
All right. We will link off to that in the footnotes.
We will also link off to our YouTube channel where
our YouTube episodes can be Yes, The Damn Geist does
a production of iHeartRadio. For more podcasts from iHeartRadio, visits
the iHeartRadio app, Apple podcast, or wherever you listen to
your favorite show. That's gonna do it for us this morning.
We're back this afternoon to tell you what is trending
(01:03:11):
and we will talk to you all.
Speaker 3 (01:03:12):
Bye bye
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Speaker 2 (00:12):
Yeah, you know, you know I was going to release
one in my younger years. I I really enjoyed doing that,
sup quarterback what.
Speaker 3 (00:21):
Rag No, But I would like to my younger days,
I used to sport.
Speaker 4 (00:25):
Oh yes, I was like that. I didn't even know
that was far side Diables far side fuck.
Speaker 3 (00:33):
Oh my god, she just broke Wolcus broke, Wolcus broke.
She thought Daila Soul was Fucus broke.
Speaker 5 (00:44):
Wocus broke, Wolcus broke.
Speaker 2 (00:46):
I loved I love my pony, and I thought it
would be funny to do it in an old lady
voice and just like release the whole album of like
different R and B songs, but in the.
Speaker 4 (00:54):
Your whole arny yeah right, my old time. My no
is waiting.
Speaker 5 (01:06):
Attracted.
Speaker 3 (01:07):
I'm on it like I love so meet me at
eleven thirty. I love it when you're talking dirty.
Speaker 5 (01:15):
Yes late for isn't it? Oh am to meet me
at eleven.
Speaker 4 (01:25):
Thirty in the hour that they let me out of the.
Speaker 3 (01:27):
Horn before my seven hour naps. I'm so anxious.
Speaker 5 (01:38):
Hello the Internet, and welcome to season three, sixty four,
episode two of.
Speaker 3 (01:43):
Der Nally's Guys Stay.
Speaker 5 (01:45):
Production of iHeart Radio. Uh, this is a podcast where
we take a deep dive into america shared consciousness because
we are the left's Joe Rogan investors welcome.
Speaker 3 (01:59):
Yeah, we only want to hear from arms manufacturers because
it seems like that we need them to back some Yeah,
we need to answer a Joe Rogan.
Speaker 2 (02:11):
So why couldn't you nuke a hurricane? I mean, no
one's actually ever explained this to me.
Speaker 5 (02:16):
I think the I think the equation is just like,
believe everything right.
Speaker 4 (02:22):
Justin, justin? Can you google this right now?
Speaker 3 (02:24):
Just just go pull this up?
Speaker 4 (02:25):
Doesn't pull this?
Speaker 3 (02:27):
Can you do like a chat GPT simulation if we
nuked a Cat five hurricane.
Speaker 5 (02:32):
His ability to believe that Elon Musk had like a
magical app that sawd that like did won the election
just made me. It was like, oh, it's like my
kids watching a magic show. It's he's just willing.
Speaker 2 (02:45):
To go with all right, Well follow Franny Theo if
you think that starlink flip votes to Trump.
Speaker 4 (02:51):
So some of us are willing to go there us.
Speaker 3 (02:55):
Still believe is there money there? I guess you have
to grift your own.
Speaker 5 (03:00):
Yeah, but I will grip all brought to you by
craft Foods. There are.
Speaker 4 (03:06):
Brought you by fluoride. Yeah, someone's sticking up for us.
Speaker 3 (03:10):
Thank you.
Speaker 5 (03:11):
Yeah, just go exult, steer away from the curve. That's
what they say, always works, right. It's Tuesday, November twelve,
twenty twenty.
Speaker 3 (03:21):
Four, eleven twelve. Ohow no, well, this is what a
weird day National Pizza with the works, except show these
days we're in hell. We're in hell from with these days?
What the fuck is this?
Speaker 5 (03:38):
Huh?
Speaker 4 (03:39):
So you're gonna have some pineapple and like a bell pepper?
Speaker 3 (03:42):
Yeah, or did like Michelangelo from the Ninja Turtles. Right
this week, I.
Speaker 5 (03:46):
Feel like half of the days feel like they are,
you know, just some corporate interest group invented them. And
then the other half are just five year olds who
are right, this is the pizza I like, and we
need to have a birthday party for.
Speaker 3 (03:59):
It, right right, right? Well, anyway, here's another one, uh
fucking chicken soup for the soul daye and this one
hey for us from l A.
Speaker 4 (04:11):
Yeah, I don't know, I've cried it a couple of those.
Speaker 3 (04:14):
Okay, well I can't read, so I protected myself from
that kind of pain. The other thing though, just for
people from l A. And this is just an l
A thing. It's National French Dip Day, So there it is.
That's that's only in LA because Cole's is observed as
the like, the place that created the French dip, and
that's downtown.
Speaker 5 (04:33):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (04:33):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (04:34):
I never also knew what a French tip was until
I met Matt.
Speaker 3 (04:38):
Yeah, well because boy, yeah he's an l A LA.
Why is it?
Speaker 4 (04:45):
It's just like beef broth.
Speaker 3 (04:47):
Is that we call that an aju?
Speaker 5 (04:49):
Actually sandwich with an al.
Speaker 3 (04:53):
It's basically meat sweat water.
Speaker 4 (04:56):
Yeah, meat sweat water.
Speaker 5 (04:58):
Is very good, very but I've had it outside of LA.
But you were just saying it was originated and beloved
in Yes.
Speaker 3 (05:06):
Yes, yes, yes, yes.
Speaker 5 (05:07):
My name is Jack O'Brien aka oh ghana Ria, Ghana Ria,
ghana Ria. On the show, everyone knows that it doesn't
spread on the beach, the beach.
Speaker 3 (05:21):
The beach.
Speaker 5 (05:26):
That one courtesy of a w D Spinnin' wow reference
to the worst person I've met in the past couple episodes,
the guy from ninety Day Fiance Yeah, speaks in broken
English to his fiance.
Speaker 3 (05:41):
Yeah, to his Filipino girlfriend like and says stuff like this, I.
Speaker 5 (05:45):
Don't think gon aria gonna spread on the beach.
Speaker 3 (05:47):
Yep, they're not gonna spread on the beach. Yeah, I
think the pills is no leaking. Yes, anyway, little taste
of four to twenty day fiance on the Daily zeit
guy Slash.
Speaker 2 (05:55):
I mean, in the new Trump administration, are they gonna
come for ninety day fiance on some like revoking visa.
Speaker 4 (06:03):
Shit or.
Speaker 3 (06:06):
Yeah they don't work out? So I have a feeling
I don't know, maybe it's the other way where the
show will now be about Americans basically like, yeah, fishing
for getting the fuck out, yeah.
Speaker 4 (06:16):
Cat fishing for EU citizenship.
Speaker 3 (06:18):
Yeah. And then they're like you, you poor child. Do
you think it's not coming over here too?
Speaker 2 (06:22):
Oh yeah, I'm I'm got EU citizenship, and I'm like,
I'm an Italian, So it's like Georgia Miloney's that's.
Speaker 3 (06:29):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm a I'll fight him over here, yeah,
frequent guess, Katie Golden, it's been like it's not great
over here.
Speaker 5 (06:38):
We are a couple of years ahead of you. In fact. Anyways,
shout out to a w D spinning and I'm thrilled
to be joined as always by my co host, mister
Miles Gray.
Speaker 3 (06:49):
Oh it's Miles Gray. Akay.
Speaker 1 (06:52):
It's been one week since Democracy chopped its nuts off
and then started bleating, five days since we came to
see and saying Dickhead's Owen Bragg got there waning, three
days of impending doom. If they know this is their fault,
they wouldn't tell you. Yesterday someone made a speech, but
I was too busy making Mala top cocktails.
Speaker 3 (07:13):
I'll see on salad for that one. It has been
one week, and what a week it's been.
Speaker 4 (07:18):
Finger pointing, fingerpoint was that was really really inspired?
Speaker 5 (07:22):
That was great?
Speaker 3 (07:23):
Oh yeah, house, we could look the shout out everybody
in Discord.
Speaker 4 (07:25):
Oh.
Speaker 3 (07:26):
Also, if you want to discord invite, Sorry, I've been
trying to avoid social media just so I can continue
doing a daily news show. But hit me up and
I will send you discord invites. That's how we try
and keep the show, you know, mostly the chills like
young but anyway, yeah, hit me up because I saw
some of you hit me up about that. Anyway, if
you know the Discord, hit me up.
Speaker 5 (07:45):
I'll give you the bare naked ladies will lead us
to the promised Land, Yes, is that anadium?
Speaker 3 (07:51):
Yeah? Were they Canadian?
Speaker 5 (07:53):
Yeah? Scarborough, Ontario, Scarborough, Scarborough Country, one of my least
favorite countries these days.
Speaker 3 (08:01):
One of my favorite morning hosts.
Speaker 5 (08:02):
Though, killing it Miles. We're thrilled to be joined in
our third seats by one of our favorite guests, a
brilliant comedian, writer, journalist, activists you know from plays like
Al Jazeera at MSNBC Young from the podcast Habituation Room.
It's Francesca Fuorantin.
Speaker 3 (08:20):
I am nothing.
Speaker 5 (08:21):
I don't want to sing.
Speaker 2 (08:23):
Ship, I don't want to do a joke on my name.
Everything's terrible. I'm gonna roll up. I'm just like, I'm
like when when when are the Pitch Street battles? Let's
go Yeah, but no, I'm high.
Speaker 3 (08:35):
Nice year.
Speaker 2 (08:37):
I'm excited to have you use my like three week
old cough to uh to just scream about Democrats for
the next hour.
Speaker 5 (08:45):
Oh my god, what do you what?
Speaker 3 (08:47):
What? What do you think you're gonna be? You gonna pivot,
You're gonna try and get the Dems Joe Rogan, dem dollars.
Are you gonna keep doing your thing or fully pivot
to the right because everything's on the table. I think
right now for everyone.
Speaker 2 (09:00):
You know what, wouldn't it be so funny if I
pivoted to the right, but like no one cared.
Speaker 4 (09:07):
That would be so great if I staked at all
and was like, you know what, I'm leaving the left.
I left the left and everyone's.
Speaker 2 (09:13):
Like, okay, bye, like and like who are you? Like
sometimes I go on Piers Morgan, but then I realized
it is woke and that what like that would just
like that's why I wouldn't pivot to the right, because
like what if it wasn't you know, big enough to
actually get me any sponsorships?
Speaker 4 (09:31):
People were like.
Speaker 3 (09:32):
Cool, yeah, well no, no anyway, so here, we're gonna
burn this cross in front of that house. You got
a truck? Uh no, never mind.
Speaker 5 (09:41):
I do feel like it's probably gonna be pretty full.
Speaker 3 (09:44):
I think there's a lot of.
Speaker 2 (09:47):
Yeah, no, I'm gonna pivot to you know this. I'm
just like, honestly, maybe podcasting is not the way we
do the revolution, but no, so long as people still is,
and I'm going to try and have you know, more
activists and strategic thinkers on and and you know, actually
just kind of get involved like locally too, Like if
(10:09):
I if we can't change California, what the fuck? We're
not a blue state worth at salt, you know, like
what's look at Minnesota. Tim Walls may have lost, but
like the people of Minnesota.
Speaker 4 (10:19):
Won, like they still get him.
Speaker 3 (10:22):
Yeah so, but we got our own fucking freak job man,
Gavin Newsome. And that's that's what we do around is
we need a thing as bad as their thing, Like
what the few are.
Speaker 4 (10:36):
Completely up more homeless encampments, Like.
Speaker 3 (10:38):
Oh god, he did it himself. Were like that's the
kind of energy we need. I'm like, you are so unserious.
Please He's like.
Speaker 2 (10:45):
Next door Anderson Cooper, you know, just like going out
there and rolling up his sleeves.
Speaker 3 (10:50):
He's like, can I get a wheelbarrow? It's like no, No,
this is someone's yard. I don't care. I'm throwing this
stuff away. Fuck fuck up?
Speaker 5 (10:56):
Yeah, how do we punch down better? Teach us that
just those punches the right?
Speaker 3 (11:02):
Yeah, we want to do a sick lower cut, not
a topper cut, but undercut. Yeah yeah, there's a magic punch.
You never yeh Yeah.
Speaker 5 (11:10):
All right, Francesca, we're gonna get to know you a
little bit better in a moment. First, We're going to
tell the listeners a couple of the things we're talking about.
I just want to review some of the genres of
post election news story. You got the you have to
hand it to them, Trump and Elon Musk blah blah.
We'll talk about the America's shifted towards Republicans, and now
(11:32):
the Democrats need to do that and be more like
Trump woke, is broke, Kamala Harris actually did good compared
to how bad it could have been because other parties
in other countries had similar results regardless, so actually not
so bad, and and any other favorites that we want
to talk about. We're going to talk about Trump's pick
(11:54):
for borders are as horrible as you might expect, also
originally got his job from the Obama administration. Really we'll
talk about that. We'll talk about things to be worried
about the upcoming presidential election, all of that plenty more.
But first, Francesca, we do like to ask our guest,
what is something from your search history that's revealing about
(12:17):
who you are?
Speaker 2 (12:19):
So there is a bill that could be passed this
week that God damn it if the Democrats do this,
Like I'm fully giving up on the party completely.
Speaker 3 (12:30):
We're talking about the tax exempt status.
Speaker 2 (12:32):
Yeah, it's revoking the tax exempt status of any organization
that's so called supports terrorism. Obviously this came up because
of the anti genocide protests and organizations you know, like JBP,
Jewish Voice for Peace or if not now other progressive
Jewish groups, but also like you know, Muslim and Arab
American groups anyway, fun and I was like, let me
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just see if some of these right wing organizations, like
the actual terror organizations that like do domestic terrorism have
tax exemp status and lo and.
Speaker 4 (13:04):
Behold a little pro public article.
Speaker 2 (13:07):
Yeah, there are are many different organizations like the Oath
Keepers had taxes emp status, American Patriot Vanguard three percent
I don't even know what that was. That a splinter
from the three percenters, I don't know, but a lot
of them. So I was just sort of curious as
to like whether those groups that actually do terrorism have
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taxes M status.
Speaker 4 (13:29):
That's isn't that fun? Yeah?
Speaker 3 (13:30):
I know, it's like they're gonna be like, oh, that's
that's crazy that that boomerang. Huh, pretty weird if they
end up voting for I don't know, I mean, I'm
God that when I saw that that was coming out,
was preparing for people to completely forget what is on
the horizon. But I don't know. Yeah, we'll see, We'll see,
we'll see.
Speaker 5 (13:48):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (13:49):
I mean, if if people are still listening to this
in the morning, you know, you can still call your
congress person and tell them to won't know, but I
do think it'll be very revelatory because this will just
be handing Donald Trump, not that you won't already try
to revoke the nonprofit status of these groups and many
many others make it legal.
Speaker 4 (14:04):
Yeah, it'll just be handing it to him.
Speaker 3 (14:07):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (14:08):
Project Esther is part of Project twenty twenty five, that
whole plan to just basically attack dismantle any voice of
opposition to Israeli's military camp.
Speaker 3 (14:22):
Yeah, exact, any camp, any of them.
Speaker 5 (14:24):
Yeah, yeah, any of them, any of them. What is
something you think is underrated?
Speaker 2 (14:30):
I mean talking to your neighbors, you know, like, yeah,
there is a MAGA flag down the road, a piece
just like a few doors down, which I'm like, okay, girl,
But you know, I've been trying to exchange phone numbers
with my neighbors lately, and these are people who I like,
see walking their dogs and I've talked to but I
never like got their number and whatnot. And so we'll
see if little Franny gets a neighborhood, you know, dinner
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together or some kind of meetup. But I definitely think,
you know, it's important to find your direct community and yes,
the those people live around you, and again not just
through next door and being like the homeless man's back again,
you know, whatever the fuck, but like really I.
Speaker 3 (15:09):
Called the non emergency line for the police station.
Speaker 4 (15:12):
Yeah, just like really talking to folks and like making
a point.
Speaker 2 (15:15):
You know, Working Families Party is doing these things called
We're Worth fighting for meetings, so we're worth fighting for,
worth fighting for dot org WFP again as a third party.
They run many different candidates. I think they have like
seventy candidates that won in this election. Some of them
are just Democrats, but others are WFP independence as well.
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So you know that kind of thing is like how
can we build more community because no one's coming to
save us.
Speaker 4 (15:42):
We have to be here for one another.
Speaker 5 (15:45):
Yeah, yeah, it feels pretty it's hard. Hard to be
like the Democrats are going to figure this one out
at this point. They are not actively and immediately find
ways to not figure out yeah, or figure out the
wrong lesson. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, totally.
Speaker 3 (16:06):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (16:07):
I mean, do you feel like we're WFP or like
other of these kind of smaller, more local parties like
have the ability to build and like be a long
term solution.
Speaker 4 (16:20):
And I think so, I think they have to be.
Speaker 2 (16:22):
And I think given that, you know, you've seen the
discussion around working the working people being abandoned by Democrats,
it's like, well, it's in the name Working Families Party,
and they are strategic, meaning they will endorse Democrats when
it makes sense. They will go after seats that make
sense to go after. It's not like they are just
sort of ego driven and you know, simply against the
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two party dopoly.
Speaker 4 (16:44):
They're really trying to run candidates. I mean, what's interesting.
Speaker 2 (16:46):
We had Maurice Mitchell of WFP on my show, The
Situation Room, and he was mentioning that like, and I
didn't know this, but Letitia James, you know, a District
Attorney of Manhattan was a WFP candidate originally, and you know,
ran on a WFP line. And that's incredible to me.
You know, now she's obviously, well, the right is threatening
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to put her in jail.
Speaker 4 (17:09):
But TBD on that.
Speaker 2 (17:10):
But like those kinds of things where you're like, oh
you imagine, yeah, I mean, it's just like, you know,
it's like either we get the Kirston Cinema nutjobs who
are like Reynald the Green Party line and then are
accountable to literally no one, right, no one, and then
you know, becomes a regular ass corporate Democrat, or we
like really nurture candidates from the ground up. And you know,
(17:30):
I'm not sold on the Democratic Party, like I'm not.
I'm not willing to say a week out from this election,
given the massive amount of rolling over to say nothing
of the massive failure, that I would ever invest in them. Again,
that being said, I understand elections are in four years.
You know, this is there's very little time to build
up an alternative. But if there's a moment to think
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about one, it's now. And again, WF doesn't necessarily not
endorse the Democrat.
Speaker 3 (17:56):
You know, it is a bar that has to be cleared.
Speaker 2 (17:59):
Yeah, there's a bar that us be cleared, and you
have to you know, everyone needs a political home right now,
and I think it's important, especially progressive leftists, socialists, like
there's not a lot of places you can feel like
are your political home.
Speaker 4 (18:11):
So like how do we build that? What does that
look like? You know?
Speaker 3 (18:14):
Yeah, because there's a schism coming and I mean it's
happening right now, but it's like it's about how which
side is going to be able to funnel that energy
properly into whatever this next thing is, because like you know,
as we're going to talk about every every genre of
post election story is basically being like, hey, keep trusting us,
or you have people who are like we need to
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fucking put that shit to bed in terms of like
establishment Democrat policies. Yeah, and that's that's going to be
very interesting to see how that sort of fight for
who wants to be the home for you know, disillusioned voters.
Where that's going to happen in ters of people who.
Speaker 5 (18:50):
Whatever the solution ends up being, it's going to be
incredibly unpopular with like the current democratic establishment. Yeah, Like
that's one thing we can guarantee. Yeah, it is currently
a machine that is designed to convert like the sorts
of like class based frustration that we're talking about into
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like pro market action, political action like that that's what
they do. And then like kind of just cover that up.
So like they're they're they're built for this, They're built
to like basically combat what they're built to lose. Yeah yeah, yeah,
yeah right, exactly at all costs, if they're built to.
Speaker 2 (19:29):
Lose and fundraise off the loss and then scare you
into going back to them.
Speaker 4 (19:33):
And and look again, I wouldn't.
Speaker 2 (19:35):
You're never gonna You didn't get you didn't hear me
arguing against voting for Harris, not on honestly, not on
any issue. I was out there saying, we have to
vote for Harris. But you know, we all have our limits.
Speaker 3 (19:49):
Yeah yeah, and being just a.
Speaker 4 (19:51):
Strategic, a moral, a political failure might be our limit,
you know, being such a toxic brand. Your brand is weak,
your brand sucks, Nobody likes your brand. You are the
sketchers of political parties and.
Speaker 3 (20:12):
Whoa, whoa, whoa, I'm wearing shape ups right now, okay,
and my hamstrings have.
Speaker 5 (20:16):
Been just slid out of it back into his shoes
and comfort.
Speaker 3 (20:22):
No, but it's true. Yeah, no, it's it's I mean again,
for most people, they were like, yeah, this is going
to be a pinch your nose election, hold your nose
at the polls thing, that's that's the problem. It's like,
oh god, fuck dude, this is the best it can
that that we can do, uh, in terms of an
alternative and.
Speaker 4 (20:41):
Yeah and under bid.
Speaker 2 (20:42):
I mean when Biden was like that, we were like, well,
we're all we your masks anyway, so you know, not
about holding your nose.
Speaker 3 (20:46):
Let's go. It smells great in here, he says. He
says he's going to be a bridge. He says he's
going to be a conduit.
Speaker 4 (20:51):
He's a transitional Canada. I'm sure.
Speaker 5 (20:55):
Primary Why is he doing that?
Speaker 3 (21:00):
Why? Why is out shout out James Clyburn.
Speaker 5 (21:06):
What's something you think is overrated? Frenchhip?
Speaker 2 (21:07):
Oh god, yes, I didn't mean for this to be
so long, but it is. I do think that running
on democracy is overrated. Like threatening people with the loss
of democracy is overrated in this country because our democracy
is on life support. Our democracy has not delivered for people.
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Our democracy has been abused, not just by Trump but
by many many politicians, whether it's from the amount of
money that is festering in our democratic process to the
fact that we've had stolen elections. Hello year two thousand,
two thousand and four, A lot of funct shit went
down with Bush's reelection. So I just you cannot sell
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the American people on a system they don't think is
actually delivered for them. Democracy is only so good as
you can actually deliver for people, and so you can't
care them anymore until they're like, you know what, I
kind of like a good scare, until everyone starts to
get all Halloween about shit and is like, yeah, yeah,
maybe we need authoritarianism and mass deportations for the price
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of eggs to go down. So I just think that
is it's very overrated. I wish it weren't. But case
in point, how was Trump even able to run in
the first place? Two states tried to remove him from
their ballot, and his own fucking hand picked Supreme Court
allowed it to said that was illegal for them to do.
Speaker 4 (22:33):
People tried.
Speaker 2 (22:33):
We have a constitutional amendment that says you can't run
for election if you incited an insurrection against the country.
Speaker 4 (22:39):
So what the fuck good is our fucking democracy? And
you sure shit aren't going to convince me.
Speaker 2 (22:44):
I'm sorry to invest in this party that within twenty
four hours has rolled over for Donald Trump after you
just said he was the greatest threat to our demarke Well,
act like it, bitch, act like it.
Speaker 3 (22:57):
Yeah, yeah, where's that energy? Yet? I thought you're not
keeping the same energy. The only same energy I've seen
is from the fundraising texts that are still coming in,
and I'm like, and then you eat that thing, like, oh,
y'all are broke. We Blewe through a lot of money, man. Also, wow,
how where look why we were lying to Harris the
whole time about how much money we had.
Speaker 5 (23:17):
We were. We're in a lot of trouble with some
bad people.
Speaker 4 (23:21):
We paid way too many influencers to do terrible video.
Speaker 3 (23:25):
Do not look at the cost of what it took
to put that shit on the ORB in Vegas?
Speaker 5 (23:30):
Yes, yes, oh my god, yes, Julia Robert's not cheap. Guys.
Speaker 4 (23:35):
Trump must have been so jealous of that, Like if
there's one thing of he was.
Speaker 3 (23:39):
Like, oh yeah.
Speaker 5 (23:41):
It seems like a lot of their campaign was just
doing stuff that would piss Trump off, like the Julia
Roberts endorsement, Like doesn't matter to anyone except Donald Trump,
who is still stuck in the late eighties in New
York City.
Speaker 3 (23:54):
And he doesn't even know her name. He just calls
her a pretty woman. Did pretty women come out against me.
Speaker 5 (24:00):
Fuck, but yeah, I think you're exactly right that, like
running on the current system is in is under threat
by the other guy, was maybe exactly the wrong message,
primary message at a time when everybody wanted change, like
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that's all anybody cared about, and when you're like your
message is the current systems under threat, he's gonna he's
gonna dismantle the whole dang thing. And also the current
system is better than you think it is.
Speaker 4 (24:37):
Yes, you can't say that's got to fuck.
Speaker 5 (24:39):
You real, real, real hard, and.
Speaker 3 (24:42):
Did Yeah, I mean like one of those things. As
it was happening, I felt like every week we're like,
oh no, the change it was so wide. That's like
that's not a good ad. That's not a good ad,
like you're saying. If anything, it's like, yeah, the Republicans
like what we're on and you're like, oh, that's okay. Yeah.
Speaker 5 (25:03):
The change stuff like in addition to being just horrific
and exactly like just a perpendicular like exactly in the
wrong direction for like what they should have been doing
from a international relations you know what what our international
policy was on the genocide in Gaza. It's just like
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from an economic standpoint, like the big failure that happened
that like started people down the path of being like
this whole thing needs to be fucking torn down, like
that like made that realization, crystallized it in people's mind.
Happened when he was running the like it was widely
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agreed that he was running the country at that time,
and like.
Speaker 2 (25:51):
Well, and she voted with him ninety percent of the time,
Liz Cheney did. But honestly, let's be real, like the
Republican Party bankrupting us from two plus wars in eight
years of Bush is very relevant to the point where
at the Republican Party now sees those former administration officials
as bad for their brand because they understand and it's
just like I can't, I can't.
Speaker 5 (26:13):
I mean, that was one of those first ways that
Trump broke with the Republican establishment was like, George Bush
is a fucking disasters, is a disaster.
Speaker 2 (26:23):
His brand obviously is much more like we should have
taken all the oil and like let's make the let's
go to war with the cartels.
Speaker 3 (26:30):
Amount of money on the table, They will.
Speaker 4 (26:32):
Go to war with the cartels, by the way.
Speaker 3 (26:34):
This will happen, so good for us.
Speaker 4 (26:36):
Oh yeah, oh, I'm really excited.
Speaker 2 (26:38):
Uh it's like what if like our like special forces
are going to start to be like as awful and
disgusting and just like, well, we've got to create you know,
the uh whatever, you know, the MS thirteen of the
US military.
Speaker 3 (26:54):
Everything is that way. It's like, well, we need our
own MS thirteen. Yeah, right, yeah, they're called the police too.
Can begether everywhere. You can do whatever, do whatever you want,
do whatever you want.
Speaker 5 (27:03):
That does seem to be one of the big takeaways,
which we'll talk about when we get back from this break.
But the idea of like, well, he's a bad guy.
Bad guys are exciting. We need our own bad guy.
And it's like, so what now are we saying, Yeah,
we should be evil, we should just be the evil
in a different willer. Yeah, let's take a quick break.
We'll be right back, and we're back. We're back and
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uh yeah, So I just wanted to you know that.
I feel like there are broad groupings of types of
post election news story. Genre is the post election news
story that are damaging and sort of sending people down
a unhelpful path. I think mostly the mainstream media response
(27:59):
has been that with like a handful of stories being like,
maybe it's the demo, maybe it's just the Democratic Party
cratering because they didn't do the thing that their base
has been telling them they needed to do for the
past I don't know, ten years.
Speaker 3 (28:13):
Maybe longer.
Speaker 5 (28:14):
But one of them And we got this in twenty sixteen,
and I think it seems like we're getting it again.
Is the you gotta hand it to them? In twenty sixteen,
it was you gotta hand it to Trump and Bannon,
and now it's gonna be you gotta hand it to
Trump and Musk Like this these guys, I mean they already.
Speaker 2 (28:37):
Fucking I mean, they worked with so little, with only
all of the world's riches, right, they were able to
do so much. Yes, who would have thought with everything
available to you you could win an election?
Speaker 5 (28:53):
Yeah? Yeah, yeah, So assuming that they knew exactly what
they were doing all along, like Elon Musk knew Trump
one before anyone actually voted on Tuesday, because he has
his magic app according to Joe Rogan, and like they're
just like behind the scenes, brilliant geniuses. This assumes that
either of them could have been any other way in
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this election, or ever at any point in their life,
which they've never, never, not done exactly what they were doing,
like this is who they are because of the deep
set of like moral catastrophes that are like their entire
personalities they are built on, and their very specific personality
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disorders that are happened to be cheat codes for the
system that we're operating under. I think the thing that
was incorrect, the assumption that was incorrect or was hopeful
copium Cope Cain in the lead up to the election,
was that it was harming them electorally and in reality
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in the very specific situation where they were the only
alternative to a democratic party that insisted on doubling down
with the establishment like they were they were right, like
they could do what they were doing, and anybody pointing
out how fucked up what they were saying was was
just underlining like that there they were, like outside of
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the system, outside.
Speaker 2 (30:26):
Of the established, giving them and giving them like free
press and yes, and drawing people to their very coherent
fascistic message of demonizing anyone who is other and white grievance.
Speaker 3 (30:41):
Yeah, it's wild though, Like you know, for the longest,
you know, since basically Biden took office, always talked about
how wow, now the Democrats are literally just their only
striving like, well, at least we're not them. At least
we're not them. Hey, you see these guys were not them,
and the Republicans ran again. That campaign was everything anecdotally
(31:02):
you heard was like this shit is so backwards. But
the Republicans said, hey, at least we're not them, and
people were like, yeah, at least you're not them. That's
how easy it was. It was truly that simple. Like
aside from again, it's not that easy because they're definitely
a huge disturbing amount of people that were totally bought
in on going full fucking cruelty with this administration. But
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then again, there are people who have no idea who
Liz Chainy is no idea how like like half of
these news stories didn't get to them, but merely they're like, yeah,
at least they're not them ended up working out, and
just the irony of that, rather than delivering something or
at least giving people to say this is how things
can be different. That that didn't work. I don't know,
(31:43):
it's it's a very cruel irony to watch it play
out in real time. But I think something that most
people who observed it were like, this isn't a good strategy,
Like that's not enough to just be like, hey, we're
not them, Yeah we're not.
Speaker 4 (31:56):
You should have been more like they not like us, right.
Speaker 3 (31:59):
Right right now, Donald Trump is we just needed.
Speaker 2 (32:01):
One more endorsement from Kendrick and I feel like the
DAMS could have pulled through.
Speaker 5 (32:07):
Yeah that's all if they didn't get a Drake endorsement.
I feel like that would have been so on point,
and like just keeping.
Speaker 3 (32:13):
Withiity to not fuck up. We got jaw Rule and
Drake coming up, y'all, jah Rule and Drake.
Speaker 5 (32:22):
Oh okay that that last second headliner that canceled at
the d NZ was actually Diddy and they like found
out what they're like, oh shit, okay, yeah that might
not work so Diddy, Drake Collabo, Yeah, there's so many.
Speaker 3 (32:37):
Yeah, Like the whole thing of we must handle him
is so disturbing because like to your point, Francisca, it
truly does be like, well, I guess we gotta we
gotta hug him now, that's that's all there is. And
that kind of energy is so alarming to see again,
based on what you're like, exactly how they were a
campaign like this is the end of fuck the fucking
everything as you know it. Yeah, and then yeah, al
(33:00):
right whatever because and I think that also reveals to
them too, because Democrats love all like the political like, yo,
I'll guess what, I get more dollars when I have
to be like, all right, man, how are we going
to win this next one? Let me let me see
those let me see those consulting dollars real quick. And
that's when you become so like, I don't know, it's
just so easy to become cynical if you're observing it,
you know, in this way constantly because yeah.
Speaker 2 (33:21):
Yeah, exactly, act like it hurts to lose, and then
will believe you when you say that you must win.
But when Joe Biden is out there saying Americans just
chose a different vision, I'm sorry, You're not the leader
of the party. You've never been a leader of the party. Honestly,
like the whole week, this feels like the end of
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Usual Suspects.
Speaker 4 (33:44):
Spoiler if you're eighty.
Speaker 3 (33:45):
And has a spoiler for you, skip ahead two minutes
if you don't.
Speaker 5 (33:50):
And it's pretty surprising because now like the person who
ends up being the bad guy like you're you're never
gonna believe it these days. Okay, go ahead, No.
Speaker 2 (33:58):
But just just like I I think the election might
have been called, you know, in twenty twenty one at
the end of that year, when it was so clear
that Joe Biden was unable to deliver on his promises
because he could not actually bring some of these corporate
centrist Democrats in the Senate like Mansion and Cinema to
actually vote with him, wasn't able to apply pressure to
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get that only gave them concessions and like allowed a
Senate parliamentarian to block raising the minimum wage via you know,
the reconciliation bills, and just like you know, if you
for a hindsight on how much ground we lost, Bernie
Sanders's last book is very very painful, but also really
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important to like, oh yeah, so much was squandered in
those initial months, to say nothing of Merrick Garland actually
going after Trump for the gen and six stuff, but
again presuming that none of that would have had an
effect because nobody really cares about January sixth, just put
that away actually delivering for the American people, And so
my mind is like I'm like there, you know, like
Chaz Palmentary like watching the or Chad Pulmonary watching like
(35:04):
all the little.
Speaker 4 (35:04):
Pieces of evidence. Yeah, like Chaz chas yet did I
get it right the first seme.
Speaker 3 (35:11):
It feels like that's not a name.
Speaker 5 (35:14):
Yeah, Mega, Chaz Promonary is exactly.
Speaker 2 (35:19):
I love I love this, And he's like, oh okay,
Senate like Democrats won't replace Senate parliamentarian and build back
better gets scrapped for Inflation Reduction Act, like inflation rates skyrocket.
Biden refuses to lower you know, the interest rates until
whatever whatever. Twenty twenty six is only when the Medicare
(35:42):
negotiations for drug prices will even kick in, like all
of these things, and then you're like, oh shit, we're
gonna lose. And then Biden's out there hobbling away and
then his leg starts to straighten out, and this bitch
that's actually him. You know, if I had money to
do this sketch, I would, because this is what it's
you do.
Speaker 3 (36:00):
You could do it a I probably you know, yeah,
you actually probably could.
Speaker 4 (36:05):
I'm sharing it. I'm glaring.
Speaker 3 (36:09):
Guy.
Speaker 5 (36:09):
I was actually pretty ted. I don't know if you've
heard about it, but.
Speaker 3 (36:12):
Yeah, it could watch I'll probably cook some up by
the end of the episode, you can check it out.
But yeah, no, it is. It is so, I mean
because you also look at the polling like it was
its highest. When he's like, hey man, y'all need some checks, right,
you'll need some material support. And then everything that expired,
it's like you can tie a fucking ribbon to like
the poles going down with every with every bit of
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social safety net and every bit of support that was
coming out dwindling and turning into dust. And that's when
it's like, yeah, and we've hit bottom because now like
y'all are on your own anyway. So I'm going to
be running in a couple of years, So just a
quick preview, I.
Speaker 2 (36:51):
Like, have this this black woman run, pick my flaming
pile of dog shit of a campaign off the ground,
and if she.
Speaker 3 (36:58):
Does a very last second, we can all blame woke.
Speaker 5 (37:02):
Yeah right he yeah, he threw up his hands and
was like, what am I supposed to do? Like, my
hands are tied. I'm only the president of the United States.
And then we're surprised that they lost. He lost and
his administration lost to a strong man who's like I
fuck that, you know, like and then like one of
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the things that Trump indexed the best with is just
like can change things, can like do strong leadership, can
do a strong leadership.
Speaker 3 (37:33):
Did you see those things? Like when AOC posted like
she asked people who split their ticket why they did that,
and so many people were like, I don't know, Trump's different.
But then I voted blue so that people could put
the brakes on whatever Trump tried to do. But like that,
like that thinking was so much like change it at
the top, but at least put breaks in the form
of a demo, like of voting in democrats, and then
(37:56):
it Yeah, it's just such a completely different world that
voters are living. And then again these consultants who are
saying stuff like ignore the polling that says people don't
understand that the Biden economy is not working for them.
Speaker 4 (38:08):
They're right there, actually good shit, Like there's so.
Speaker 3 (38:11):
Much of that, Oh, you're good, you're good, don't worry
about them, don't worry about them, going more to this,
don't war. They're fucking it's all fucking good. And that's
what's like, So again, like this new like the other
genre of story that you see so much too is
trying to go all in on well, all that shit
of like being considerate of people's needs and like marginalized groups,
that's all out the window. That's fucking garbage. That's nothing,
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that doesn't that's again, so many of these arguments are
just to avoid the fact that they weren't willing to
really grapple with the real issues. And again that both
parties are beholden to capital and so because of that,
it's and the Democrats if they come off as like
firefighters that aren't allowed to use water or talk about
(38:55):
water to sell, They're like, yo, bro okay, man, we're
gonna put this fire out. Trust us, And everyone's like yeah, man, water,
water will help. They're like, ah, anything but that any
other thing. Foam? Can we use foam? Can we maybe
use some chemicals to put in Like no, no, no,
water that's really good, Like nah, fuck that because that'll
fuck up. Shut the fuck up. We can't talk about
(39:15):
that solution because that actually that upsets the entire balance
of power that we're there to protect. So it just
looks foolish when from the outside you're like deliver for
people are fucking hurting, But then the people that are
running there's a thing right, most people at the heights
of democratic leadership that they just do not understand. There's
a specific sense of pain and fucking hopelessness that comes
(39:37):
along with being in a group of truly oppressed or
marginalized people. That that's something that your class in race
typically insulates you from. Not to say that you are
completely insulated just based on that, but for the people
that rise to those heights either they maybe they experienced
it for a little bit, but for too long they
have not felt that pain and hopelessness that normal that
(39:58):
regular people feel when they look at things like their income,
how do they make sure their kids are going to
be educated, what's their healthcare look like? All that shit,
and it's a feeling of injustice that crushes you because
you see no way to get that weight off. So
acknowledging these forces is what brings people together in a
powerful way that actually supersedes so many other versions of
(40:22):
how people identify. They're like, damn, yeah, I do feel
that shit, there is something deeper that I'm feeling. But
again they only offer like empty words of solidarity and
then act like super confused at the end of the
day when none of that shit worked and I just
think that that's a huge part of like another part
of the disconnect that there is.
Speaker 2 (40:40):
Yeah, and I think, you know, the question is like
what's the water right what can't we say? Is it
economic populism or is it also being able to just
name that This is not about left or right.
Speaker 4 (40:49):
This is about a you know, a war between the
haves and the have not. This is class war.
Speaker 2 (40:54):
This is about billionaires versus the rest of us. And
not being able to name corporate capture and not being
able to name the billionaire class is It's like, yeah,
it's like, you're right, We're running this fucking campaign, like
we're playing a game of taboo and we have to,
you know, avoid saying all the things that actually galvanize people.
And what's so frustrating is like you allowed a party
(41:17):
to win on perceived grievances trans people in sports or
whatever the hell perceive grief, the white race, and decline
men not having enough rights when you have all of
these legitimate grievances that are very real that you can't
(41:37):
even name. I mean, I think the other thing about
the Democratic Party that I think, you know, Trump is awful,
but he is at least honest about the amount of
cynicism that Americans have about our country. The Democrats have
to be honest about that cynicism and about that desperation.
Otherwise they're just in fucking la la land, and it
feels like they're not serious about anything. So that is
(42:02):
just amazing to me. Like, and again, not only that,
but I know when we're going to talk about this,
but like your lessons from your James Carvill's and your
Joe Scarborough's and all these other fucking former Republicans. I
don't know if Carville was, but might as well have been.
Speaker 5 (42:13):
You know.
Speaker 4 (42:13):
It's like, well, we were two woke. So once again
you're gonna hit the already oppressed communities again and again
and again and again, and you're like.
Speaker 3 (42:22):
Leave them is what the mess? You leave them? Leave
them behind, leave them behind? No fuck no, no, no.
Speaker 5 (42:28):
It's while that they Yeah, they were running in a
campaign that if you focused on corporate capture, corporations and billionaires,
like billionaires are the most obvious bad guys. And you're
running against a billionaire, yes, who is like more funded
by billionaires than ever, and you just squandered that opportunity
(42:54):
by like not even naming like there are some things
that the Democrats do where they'll like name a thing
that they know is bad, like racism, and you know,
and but then or like they'll say hope and change
and actually not do hope and change, but like they
wouldn't even say the billion like other outside of like
the Sanders campaign, they wouldn't even really make that a focus,
(43:18):
you know, like they just wouldn't do it because it's yeah,
too damaging to the donors. And so they outraised allegedly
and got completely killed.
Speaker 2 (43:31):
Yeah, and obviously I don't know how much we're going
to talk about it, but it's like, you know, you
look at the numbers. The numbers aren't that crazy. It
wasn't a you know, it wasn't a sweep. It was
just a couple million people not showing up.
Speaker 5 (43:43):
Yeah, yeah, but yeah, I mean that's another one that
we've kind of talked about a lot already, but would
love to have your Yet, you know, the America's shifted
towards Republicans, and now Democrats need to start being cruel
to minority groups like that.
Speaker 4 (44:00):
We we we love.
Speaker 2 (44:02):
Trump wants diet diet stuff. You know, It's like, but
nobody else wants the diet version, I mean meaning coke.
I can't make that joke work. But you know what
I'm saying, It's just nobody.
Speaker 3 (44:12):
Call that crack exactly. Yeah, that's a push a t bar.
All right, let's uh, let's take a quick break.
Speaker 5 (44:19):
We'll come back. We'll talk about who Trump's pick for
borders are is and other ship that we should be
specifically concerned about. We'll be right back, and we're back.
Speaker 3 (44:42):
We're back.
Speaker 5 (44:43):
And wait, Francesca, what are you actually do you have
some belief in the like stolen election conspiracy theories?
Speaker 3 (44:54):
If I'll say this, if some if some actual evidence
came out, I go, go on, I'm listening.
Speaker 2 (45:00):
Yeah, of course, it's all about the actual evidence. I mean,
I'm someone who doesn't I think that the truth does matter. Right, Like,
so I'm someone who I'm a leftist who thinks that
the Democratic Party used the Russia stuff as an excuse.
But I also believe the Russia stuff was real. The
Donald Trump president campaign colluded with Russia, back channeled through
(45:22):
Roger Stone and Paul Manniford, who met with Julian Assange.
Speaker 4 (45:26):
Like that stuff is real. It is real. That ra
was a funnel for massive amounts of dark money from
Russian oligarchs into the Trump coffers whatever, like, I think
it's important. The problem was when you're like, why did
I get her started on this? The problem was when
you know, Republican Robert Muller was seen as this fucking hero,
(45:47):
this bitch not gonna do anything. He found that there
was a collusion, and he recommended no penalty because he's
the president ultimately at the end of the day. So
that's my thing is like, no matter us finding the
truth truth, maybe there was Starlink satellites doing some weird stuff.
Shouldn't we know how much and to what extent? And
(46:07):
if this is ridiculous, you're not. That doesn't take away
from the fact that this still was a loss from
the Democrats. I mean Greg Pallas, investigative journalists, always says,
you have to overwhelm the steel as Democrats. You have
to you know, the voters are gonna get purged, you know,
namely black Americans in the South, they are going to
be a you know, barred from voting. You got to
vote so much that you overwhelm the steel. Yeah, that's
(46:30):
not that's very unjust. At the end of the day,
like if things were stolen, we should know. So yeah,
I'm like five percent in at this point, but if
I see more evidence.
Speaker 5 (46:40):
Yeah, with the Russian stuff, I feel like it's similar
to some of the things we were talking about earlier
with Democrats poisoning their own brand, where like there was
it did prove the incredible power of social media and
like all these you know, back channels and just like
things that aren't evident to the mainstream media or just
(47:01):
like evident to people at all, that are happening on
social media that are really hard to uh police. But
it became the Russia stuff, you know, and like Muller,
you know, fucking up the investigation and ultimately it becomes
something that like doesn't actually hold water as like a
thing that the Democrats can complain about or focus on.
(47:22):
And I think we're now in a place with this
world of like tech oligarchs like having a huge part
in the election that just happened.
Speaker 2 (47:31):
I mean, also, we know every accusation is a confession.
So when Marjorie Taylor Green is like, you know, the
Rothschild space laser or you know, Sydney Powell was was
saying like Italy Gate, where satellites flip votes for you know,
from from to Biden in twenty twenty and you're like,
that's so silly.
Speaker 5 (47:47):
Wait a minute, wait, why are they saying that?
Speaker 4 (47:50):
I remember imaginative right right, so.
Speaker 3 (47:53):
To satellite overthrow election.
Speaker 5 (47:57):
All right, So just in terms of like things to
keep our eye on in the coming Trump administration, man.
Speaker 4 (48:08):
I'm calling him who man?
Speaker 5 (48:10):
Yeah, oh I like it.
Speaker 3 (48:12):
Use a hole man.
Speaker 5 (48:15):
Obviously, the mass deportation promise that the Trump administration has
made like day one is at the near the top
of everybody's list. And Trump has announced that his borders
are will be Tom ho Man, his former acting head
of ICE, who was quote one of the architects behind
(48:37):
the family separation policy. He began heading ICE during the
Obama administration, which is when the Obama administration broke all
sorts of deportation records. And he had previously said that
if Trump is re elected, they ain't seen shit yet.
Wait until twenty twenty five, they ain't seen shit.
Speaker 3 (48:59):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (48:59):
I told him that at a dinner.
Speaker 2 (49:02):
Yeah, there's always more scum in the Trump orbit. That
usually again scum from other administrations, Bid administration and scum too.
But it's so funny that this person was part of
the Obama administration and help them, you know him deport
you know, be the deporter in chief, which, by the way,
was all a product of the fact that he wasn't
(49:22):
willing to dismantle what George W. Bush had created and
set up post War on terror, Like if he had
done that, then the mechanisms to deport people wouldn't have
been there.
Speaker 4 (49:34):
But I digress. You know, I've been debating right wingers
and they'll all be like, you know, Pere's morgan to
say to be able to Obama was a deporter in chief. Oh,
And I was like, yeah, that was bad.
Speaker 2 (49:43):
And then then you turn around and embrace the same guy.
And again this is just it is, it's laughing in
all of our faces. There is no left right, there
is no blue red. These are the same ghouls day
and in day, and yeah they're working against the majority
of us.
Speaker 3 (50:03):
Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah yeah. This is I mean coupling
that too with like Stephen Miller, you know, teenager and
Ninja Gebel's own fucking quote to be like, there's gonna
be a turbocharged operation to denaturalize people, which is my
mother is a naturalized American citizen, you know what I mean,
(50:23):
like many many of us who have immigrant parents there
they are naturalized US citizens, and that is a very
grim thing to like wrap your head around about being
like what the fuck I know, and like I think
and a lot of people who voted are doing things
like well, they're gonna go after the bad people first, yeah, first, right,
and then they then they make their way down the list.
(50:45):
I mean, unless they are going to deport Milania, in
which case there's that's a great maybe policy for Trump's
divorce or whatever. But that's like that is the just
the just like the hard truth of it all that
like having to really wrap your mind around these things
is really fucking it's un settling. And for all the
people too, who's whose families come here in whatever capacity
they do, and to think of how that's going to
(51:07):
completely destroy that, I think is something that were I
don't know. He also feels like one of those policies
were Republicans like yeah, we're gonna do that, and they're like, wait,
that's my wife right right exactly.
Speaker 5 (51:21):
He's suggested that politicians who limit cooperation with ICE should
be charged with crimes. Publicly warned immigrants you should look
over your shoulder and you need to be worried, and
sometimes referred to undocumented immigrants as quote tunks while he
was in Washington. According to two former DHS officials, people
familiar with the terms say it is border patrol slang
(51:45):
that comes from the sound made when hitting someone over
the head with a flashlighter baton. So he denied using
the term and said he hadn't heard it in years.
Speaker 3 (51:55):
Oh that is such a weird denial. I know, hi,
did you?
Speaker 5 (51:59):
Sir?
Speaker 3 (51:59):
Did you? Is the n word? I heard that in
years for weeks. Huh.
Speaker 4 (52:06):
He said in front of Congress, you should look over
your shoulder, like this is what I'm saying. These motherfuckers
relish in the fascism. They're so excited to do this stuff.
Speaker 2 (52:18):
And the problem is, remember the first administration, we were
all like, okay, well, the silver lining is he's disorganized,
you know, and he wishes he were Mussolini or Hitler
in the way that it was like as if the
trains are going to run on time. First of all,
number one, what trains in America? But number two, you know,
like everything's it will be chaotic. But also you don't
(52:38):
have to be cruelty is the point. The point isn't
necessarily to be exacting, it is to be cruel. It is,
to my earlier point, to be a gang. It's like, no,
we're going to be a narco state as well. We're
going to be the cletocratic. Yeah, and if and if
it also means open season on you know, in it
(53:00):
men or people on the board or who are militia
who happen to take matters into their own hands because
they're they're waiting for Trump administration to staff up, to
say nothing of the kinds of people who would then
be fold into CBP. As if CBP is not already
a reckless, lawless organization in and of itself with some
of the most extremeist members. I know, I'm this is
very depressing.
Speaker 4 (53:20):
It's too hard to talk about it, but you know, yeah,
no right, buckles, all your neighbors.
Speaker 3 (53:27):
Yeah, it's and it truly is like I feel like
some of the quotes that you hear too truly do
feel just they are they want to exert as much
stress and fear are and inspire as much fear from
people as possible. And like party, You're like, that's is
that rhetorical? And then you're like hmm. This person is
pretty bout it, like in terms of like what their
(53:50):
entire career has spelled out, and that they were like
too extreme for some organizations and now are like finding
a home in the Trump organization. It's yeah, it's yeah,
you're just speechless, you know. And I think that's going
to be a really interesting part too, is to see
how many people are able to connect the cruelty policy
(54:11):
wise to what happened in this election, or if some
people are going to. I mean, that's the thing, is
like how many people are going to be able to
look at what's happening and either explain it away in
their head so they don't have to engage with it,
or actually begin to understand like the actual threat that
this poses for everyone, because I think America still has
(54:32):
that thing where like all of the terrible shit in
our society is like mold on the corner of a
bread loaf, but people live on the opposite end of
the bread loaf, and they're like, yeah, that shit's over there,
that's for that, without understanding how mold proliferates and eventually
reaches you.
Speaker 4 (54:47):
But the other side of the bread though, yeah, right,
or the show.
Speaker 5 (54:52):
The other side of the bread I believe in.
Speaker 4 (54:54):
Just yet you just like cut off the moldy part, yeah,
cut it off?
Speaker 3 (54:57):
Yeah yeahah yeah, yeah, maybe we can.
Speaker 4 (55:00):
I mean yeah Florida by yeah or just yeah.
Speaker 3 (55:03):
I mean just understanding how these policies are going to
intersect with people's lives, and like I also just it's
also really disheartening to hear I understand the anger people
feel and they're like, well, I hope you get every
single thing that you wanted Blue Maga yeah and yeah,
and it's just gonna be like most people are going
(55:24):
to experience some form of huge disruption and pain because
of what is happening. So rather than like, don't think
you're gonna be fine just because you're a Democrat or
some shit like, that's completely absurd, and I think more
people need to actually kind of think about what that means,
like how we're going to have to like protect each other,
not to say we need to go hug our maga neighbors,
(55:45):
but that the actual support we need to offer each
other as human beings that is going to be much
more pronounced than previous eras that we've lived through.
Speaker 2 (55:53):
But it's crazy because it's like I have like neighbors,
you know, two doors down who I was saying, like, well,
I don't know if I told you guys that has
a MAGA flag and like their daughters will sometimes sit
for my kid. And I'm just like, oh no, and
I didn't see that, you know, the MAGA flag. The
girls aren't responsible obviously, But then right in front is like,
you know this Latino elder Latino man, and I'm like, I,
(56:16):
you know, just checked in with him to see what's
going on. If he's good, he's yeah, you know, everyone's nervous.
You know, the California's just full of like you know,
mixed status families in terms of immigration and and so
it's like this can be you know, in one in
one block, you can have that kind of you know, dissonance.
And so I'm yet to approach the Maga neighbor to say, hey,
(56:37):
if you need anything, you know, if the tariffs really
come down hard on.
Speaker 4 (56:42):
You or.
Speaker 5 (56:44):
You know, I know, this could be really bad for you.
Speaker 2 (56:47):
Yeah, I mean, I'm thinking of all the all the
homeowners trying to get like you know there there they're
second homes remodeled, but there's going to be no day
laborers to hire.
Speaker 4 (56:55):
Once they're all de Yeah, thinking about that, you.
Speaker 5 (56:59):
Think this is just bad for you, Think about them.
Speaker 3 (57:01):
We wanted a Cape Cod farmhouse type thing, and now
we're just gonna have to deal with this ranch style.
Speaker 4 (57:08):
Yeah, Jesus.
Speaker 5 (57:10):
Well, Francesca, it's been wonderful having you on the show.
Thank you so much for coming on talking about these
difficult things at this difficult time. You're always so smart
and really appreciated. I feel like I got smarter and
maybe a little bit more hopeful having you on. So
thanks for thank you for doing it where it right now.
Speaker 2 (57:31):
Well, I feel bad because I'm like, well, I ranted
so much. We hardly got to a couple of stories.
Speaker 3 (57:36):
But well, I mean, but this is, this is where
we're at. This feels like there's so much shit in
Flux right now. I don't know how like we like,
everyone just needs to articulate whatever they're feeling. I think
that's the only way through this very early period that
we're in. So yeah, I mean what I mean, Yeah,
we can focus on more of this specific horrible ship
(57:57):
that's up the road.
Speaker 2 (57:58):
But yeah, I mean, yeah, that's what I'm just like,
you know, everybody needs to find something that's like generative
and makes them feel good, like even moments where you're
not I mean, plug into the news.
Speaker 4 (58:08):
Listen to this show, listen to my show, the Situation Room.
Speaker 2 (58:10):
I was gonna plug that because you were leading to
that situation Room trying to have like comedians and experts
and activists on.
Speaker 4 (58:16):
But also like do shit that like is good for
you and you people around you. I feel like that
we have to reclaim that well, also resisting, but not
in I don't know, in a way that feels healthy.
Speaker 5 (58:30):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, Any anything else? Any any other
places people should go to check you out besides the
Situation Room?
Speaker 2 (58:36):
Yeah, just follow me on the social Franny fo f
r A and I fio.
Speaker 5 (58:42):
And is there a work of media that you've been enjoying.
Speaker 2 (58:45):
I found something there's usually it's Instagram these days, but
it is from inside History.
Speaker 4 (58:55):
Lots of followers. This one's for me.
Speaker 2 (58:56):
Really female frogs fake death to avoid unwonted attention from males.
Speaker 4 (59:03):
And it's just a frog.
Speaker 2 (59:04):
Like like just like I rolling up like looks like
it's churning gray And I love that. I love the
idea that you would just try to die before some
guy approached you in a bar, it's like start joking
on your own spit or just like have a heart attack. No,
that would only incur like him to try to save you.
Speaker 3 (59:26):
I know.
Speaker 5 (59:26):
I was like, does that work for the frogs?
Speaker 3 (59:29):
I feel did you take cyanide lady?
Speaker 2 (59:32):
Yeah, but the idea of yeah, I mean, I like,
I guess my version of that would be kind of
act crazy, like very erratic. Like if you're walking home
late at night and you're a woman and you're alone,
like just do a little zigzagging little like weird zombie movements.
No one's gonna fuck with you.
Speaker 3 (59:48):
Yeah, but good on Frogs.
Speaker 5 (59:50):
Miles, Where can people find you as their working media?
Speaker 3 (59:52):
You've been enjoying Twitter, Instagram, Blue Sky even Yeah, Miles
of Gray. However you find that, follow me there. I
literally haven't started following people there, but you know, you
got to. You gotta make sure you're diversified in these
social media days. Also find Jacket on the basketball podcasts
with Jacko, mad Boosti's and you can find Sofia, Alexander
(01:00:14):
and I talking about ninety day Fiance. As you kind
of heard in the last episode on four twenty Day Fiance.
You know, in terms of like the media. I'm just
I'm just really just watching music, watching a lot of
musical performances, arts self expression. So the Colors Show is
always a great watch on YouTube and you always find
(01:00:35):
amazing artists doing that. So just do that because honestly,
social media, like I can't like it's it's fucking ridiculous
right now.
Speaker 4 (01:00:42):
The Color Show Is this something you enjoy with your
little one?
Speaker 3 (01:00:46):
Yeah, cause it's cool. It's just like it's just a
live It's like artists performing in front of like like
a one color backdrop and it's just them on a
mic and it's just super simple. But usually like when
the performances are good, they're so good. It's just you
can just see their energy as a performer in a
way that's like just very simple and easy to understand.
Speaker 5 (01:01:07):
I love it. Yeah. Uh you can find me on
Twitter at Jack Underscore O'Brien uh tweet I've been enjoying.
Kate Lowell oh No tweeted kettle chips are great because
the crunch is louder than my thoughts. That's a useful
tool for all of us to having our arsenal Arsenal
you can find arsenal mouth. There's one for you.
Speaker 3 (01:01:30):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (01:01:30):
You can find us on Twitter at daily Zeikeist for
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we post our episodes and our footnotes. We link off
to the information that we talked about in today's episode,
as well as a song that we think you might
enjoy mill as well. Song do you think people might enjoy.
Speaker 3 (01:01:47):
Again, I'm in my West Coast Bag, I'm in my
La Bag. Doci is such a dope artist who's killing
it right now. Their new album is out too. We
went out out on a track I think Nissan all
Them a while back. But she also did a Colors
Show performance of her song Stressed and that one again.
People don't realize how lyrically nice Doci is. You must
(01:02:12):
get familiar because she is spitting Magma. Okay, that's that's
heat rocks. So this is Stressed a Colors Show Magma,
Magma m A g m A Yes, molten rock. Yes,
this is Stressed from a Colors Show. It's available for
most streaming platforms, but really check out the YouTube version
(01:02:35):
because when you watch her like actually rap, it's trans
it's it will it will you will you will It's transported,
you will go It's transcendent. Okay, you will go somewhere else.
So anyway, stressed doci a color show. Check it out.
D O E C H I I.
Speaker 5 (01:02:50):
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We will also link off to our YouTube channel where
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your favorite show. That's gonna do it for us this morning.
We're back this afternoon to tell you what is trending
(01:03:11):
and we will talk to you all.
Speaker 3 (01:03:12):
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