Geriatric Town Hall Battle, Poll Shaming? 10.16.20

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He is the hilarious, the talented, the best selling author,
my former co host at the Cracked podcast, one of
the smartest dudes out there, Mr Jason par jay I
was on here in May. I think, and I can't
tell if that feels like ten years ago or last week.

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On one hand, it feels like a different era. On
the other hand, so little has changed because I'm looking
at like the stuff I've I'm going to ask about,
like COVID, and it's the same damn questions we were
asking about it in the spring, and man, I did
not think it was still going to be a thing
in mid October. I did not. Yeah, it's wild when

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you think about things that happened earlier this year. They
both seem like they happened a long time ago, and
uh like I was looking at the most popular Halloween
costumes and Harley Quinn is number three, and that I
was like, oh right, because Birds of Prey came out
this year, which both seems impossible because that seems like

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a decade ago, but also it's like, yeah, that was
like the last movie to come out in movie theaters.
It's time makes no sense. And it's the same thing
like when when the Lakers one and then Anna like
sent that tweet though saying like Kobe died like eight
twenty four days ago and for a second believe it,
but you're like, no, that was January of this year.

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But it honestly, I was like, yeah, that might have
been two years ago. Yeah, yeah, yeah, uhh yeah. But
nothing has happened everything, and nothing has happened where a
lot of the same thing has happened is maybe what
it is. All Right, Jason, we're gonna get to know
you a little bit better in a moment. First, we're
gonna tell our listeners a couple of things we're talking
about today. So first of all, we are Miles and

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I are going to time travel into the future, into
your future. We're gonna watch Miles is gonna watch the
Joe Biden town hall. I'm gonna watch whatever happens on NBC, uh,
the Apprentice reunion whatever whatever that ends up being, and
we're gonna recap that in our act too. We're also

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gonna when Jason comes on, his likes, his underrated, his overrated,
His myths are always a meal, so it's gonna be
a lot of that. We might talk about what one
lstairs predicting about Trump winning in We're gonna talk about,
if we get to it, the most popular Halloween costumes, uh,

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and how that deep state investigation from Bill Bard didn't
bear any fruit and so we got the Peter Biden
New York Post story and stood with the Bridge. All
that plenty more. First, Jason, we like to ask our guest,
what is something from your search history that is revealing

(06:31):
about who you are? From about three days ago, do
Bandana's work as COVID masks? Because there was an article
that I vaguely remember. It turned out it was from August,
but it could have been from June, it could have
been from last week. It turned out it was from August.
Where there was a study where they showed that neck gators,
which I didn't know that word until but like the

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whatever the material to make those OUTBC runners where that
they and other cloth things bandanas, just putting your T
shirt of your face is actually worse than no mask
because it's just breaking up droplets into smaller particles that
travel further. And that if you're not using a mask
type mask, multiple layers, that that's actually worse than nothing.

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So I was googling to see if that turned out
to be true, and apparently according to Web and Deep,
according to CDC, they're back to I guess what they
were saying in the spring, that having something is still
better than nothing. But the real mask is one where
you should feel it restricting your breathing somewhat like people
like the neckgators and bandanas because they don't feel like anything.

(07:36):
It's like it's like I'm wearing nothing at all. I
can run in this and it feels great because it
doesn't walk my breathing at all. It's like that's the problem.
It needs to You need to feel it redirecting the
air and because that's that's when it's actually stopping droplets too. Yeah,
It is amazing how little we like there's been so
much news, so much news coverage of uh, you know,

(07:59):
the pandemic, and yet it feels like we've had, you know,
a handful of studies on like how this thing actually
transmits that are worthy of committing to memory. My interpretation
of that masks study was that, like we it's worse
because people are more confident when they have like just

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a T shirt over their face. We actually had one
of our producers had to like be at a location
scout and there was like a Hollywood producer who was
out there with a silk scarf wrapped around their face
and just like acting like the things were, Um, it
was all good. They were they were in a hazmat suit. Jesus.

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But yeah, that's all now that I think about it,
that's all just based on my vague understanding. Yeah, well
that everything. There's even like I remember in the beginning
of September, there was like this theory that came out
in the New England Journal of Medicine where they even
thinking masks were giving people like immunity because it was
giving people such a small viral dose that it would

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trigger like an immunity response. Like, so it's so hard
to know what until anything is certain. It's so it's
just so hard to know, like what's the safest thing
aside from like you know, like masking up with surgical
masks or nine and things like that. But I do
think that one is right because it was New England
Journal Medicine. Yeah, I mean it's a theory and like
a lot of people haven't pushed back, but it's not

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they're not they're being like, Okay, this is what's happening,
but they're seeing some kind of correlation there. But all
that to say is like everything is constantly influx regarding
our knowledge of it. And part of the problem is
it's the same problem with trying to study the effectiveness
of something like condoms, is that you're assuming people a
are telling the truth about how they used it. Like

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like a lot of the high failure rate with condoms
as guy saying oh absolutely, I I never I've gotten
six women pregnant. I wear a condom every time because
they don't, you know, they don't sneak into your home
and record you. That's against the law. Um, And so
you're based on self reporting. And then the other thing
is that with human nature. Are you wearing it correctly?
Did you maybe pull it aside to talk on the phone,

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blah blah blah, like all the condom. Yeah, a lot
of people got the nose peeking out again. Yeah, okay,
all right, the same same logic. It just feels better.
It just feels better like this under my nose. But
that's that's the rough part because with any mask, it's
always based on the assumption that you're wearing it perfectly
or even see people like wearing the mask that I

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now buy the disposable ones, but they you've got around
your ears, they bunch up at the sides. You breathe out,
your air is puffing out past your ears. So somebody
standing right behind you. And if you're saying, well, isn't
by study that no that it takes that there's not
that much data out there. Yeah, there's you pointed out
in a side note that like what one of the

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things that they've found is that singing, talking or exercising inside,
like anything that involves heavy breathing is like the six
ft of distance is not enough and yet like you
still see just that sort of spacing wherever you go,
Like that six ft of distances is the magic distance,

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I guess. I mean even the vape cloud competitions, they're
respecting the socially did they're putting twenty ft in between,
and it should be more like twenty ft. But it's
this is something we've known for a while, but I
feel like it never penetrated into the average person the
way that like washing your hands for twenty seconds. Everybody
learned that masks. Everybody's learned. But this thing about how basically,

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if you're doing anything indoors, if you're eating indoors, if
you're in church, if you're in a gym, ventilation is everything.
And the thing is, if you're listening to this, you're saying, well,
how the hell do I know how my gym ventilates?
How do I know what ventilation system my church has.
That's the point, you don't like, there's no risk free.
This is why it is different dining outdoors than it

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is inside, because once you're inside, this virus can you
can get enough of it through aerosol droplets that spread
further than six ftcause not just a big sneeze droplets.
It's the talking and breathing hard and singing droplets, or
if you're in a bar shouting over the music. This
is why bars are such a nightmare. But I've got
a link here to where they had basically a super

(12:20):
spreader event at a it's like a spin studio in
Ontario where I think they've traced sixty one infected and
exposed another hundred on top of that something like that.
Because at a spin cycle or at a spin come
on one more hill, motherfucker. They were following all the

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CDC guidelines putting the bike six ft apart capacity masks
on before and after the class. So at the you know,
at the desk, you know you're all the other times
you're cleaning up, you've got the mask on. They did
everything right, disinfected all the equipment, everything, or at least
a claim they did. But it doesn't matter. We now know,
we well know that if you're circulating the same air

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for a long time, you know, an hour however long
you're in there, that's high that's super high risk. This
is why bars are the worst thing you can do.
This is why that church is anything like that. A
lot of people indoors long time doing things with your
mouth open, talking, singing, whatever. Yeah, what is something you
think is underrated Jason, So today I guess, uh, dr

(13:29):
Is Founci cracked? Am I saying his name? Right? You
nailed it? Okay, that's how you say it? How would
you say fossy? Like? Oh man, I have really embarrassed
myself at that spin class. I'm telling I'm telling you
you nailed it in terms of what my understanding is

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based on how I've been pronouncing it inside my head
when I read it. I've read it ten thousand times.
I may not have said it out woud until just
right now, but anyway, he came out and said in
an interview I think with CBS mentioned off hand that hey,
if you're planning a Thanksgiving and get together, um, you
know you may want to avoid that because again, just

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where I described a bunch of people, twelve people, however,
many sitting around a table for hours on end, a
lot of them elderly. You're there with grandma and it's
going to be cooler, suscremy doors like that's these are
spreader events. I wrote a column and Cracked a couple
of months ago saying that we are underrating what a
nightmare Christmas might be because we already are seeing what

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we were afraid of, which is cases starting to go
up when the air got a little bit cooler, because
people who used to jog outdoors now taking it inside
to the gym. People used to be happy eating outdoors
now asking to eat inside in the dining room, you know.
And as it gets colder, more and more people do
stuff indoors and they you know, this even happened with
the Spanish flute. There was a second huge wave in

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the winter. So this is something we've known was coming
for a long time. So when I say Christmas maybe
a nightmare, I don't mean that a lot of people
will die of the virus. I mean if hypothetically Trump
loses the election, and then if you know, again, Fox
News has always been in war on Christmas mode that
the Liberals want to kill Christmas. So if you suddenly

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get these Democratic governors and mayors saying, hey, we are
canceling Christmas plays, parties, like gatherings of more than X
number of people were canceling it because we're in the
middle of the second spike, that is absolutely going to
hit Fox News as Joe Biden not even in office
yet and it's already outlawed Christianity and they're using covid

(15:41):
as as they veiled, and so already you see you know,
protest against mask stuff. Wait until they have to gather
to prove that they are trying to keep Christmas alive
against the communists and the godless uh liberals, far ultra
far left who are trying to kill it. M hmmm.
I could even see it been on Black Friday where

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they're like, let a shop. Oh, that's definitely going to
we need these deals because I know that's like another
thing all these stories are trying to figure out. They're like,
how are we going to do this? Because we sell
a ton of ship but I guess it'll be online,
but also kind of want the door. I don't know,
it's all yeah. The thing that's like, really I'm curious
to see is how like because New York like seems

(16:23):
to be really I was reading an article about how
New York's Korea Town was doing it just an amazing job,
like immediately adapting to outdoor dining and doing it relatively responsibly. Um,
but Koreatown yeah yeah yeah and two square blocks so
yeah but yeah yeah yeah, but it was just but
they were very much focused like it was cool because
like they had decked out their outdoor dining like they

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very much made it feel like a vibe even though
you were eating outside. But like, yeah, what how that
transition works into the winter months, because of course everyone's like,
are we just gonna put everything on heaters and like
risk of massive tent fire or something one day. I
don't know, It's just all so many things happening at
ones Yeah, And I mean what we've seen to this

(17:06):
point is that people would rather you know, flout the
recommendations of the government and scientists then uh not. And
so we might see people getting sick and dying. I
guess it would not be at Christmas, but it would
be in early well. But I mean if people thanksgiving

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something normally, on a normal Thanksgiving, something like thirty million
people travel, so normally we flood, you know, like air
travel is still like pre COVID levels right now. But
I mean Thanksgivings when people fly home to see the family,
and it will be family that many of them have
not seen, literally since the last Christmas. So if a
lot of those people I have decided, well, this will
be the thing I'll travel for. This is what I'll

(17:52):
pack an airplane for. Well, everything I just said about ventilation,
and you're sealed inside of a tube for six hours,
seven hours, ten hours, however far you're you're line, plus
the time you spend on the tarmac. Um all those
people gathered in airports, all those people getting on planes,
all those people then gathering at grandma's house house with
twelve other family members. You just need one infected person
on that plane and then all of those people will

(18:14):
leave that party and will fly back to six different
states where they came from, carrying the infection with them.
So if that occurs in you know, late November Thanksgiving,
then by the time Christmas comes, that's when the way
it could be hitting. And I'm not trying to scare
people with like an apocalypse scenario, but the truth is,

(18:35):
I had, up till like this this podcast recording, had
been assuming I would see my family at Thanksgiving, at Christmas.
I've got some elderly relatives where you don't know if
this is going to be their last one. You can't,
especially now with the pandemic on that targets elderly people
you don't know. And if any of them are listening
to this, I'm you. I'm not talking about you, specifically
I'm talking about someone else the other one. You know,

(18:58):
it's not a minor. It's not a minor, Like I'm
happy to not eat at restaurants for a while. I
I you know, I didn't go to that many movies.
I don't go to bars. There's a lot of things
like it was easy for me to get up, but
the idea that I'm not going to travel to go
see family, and knowing that I have no idea when
it will be okay to do it again. I may
be one of those people who don't join the protest right,

(19:20):
but just quietly do it and get a test, because
I can get a test here and get a test
and get results back. But just usually the next day
I get tested, and then I would keep myself indoors
and I would go Yeah, there's a lot of motivation
to like even from my own social social circle, where
a lot of people who are transplants or have family

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around the country have been looking at this like I'm
not fucking not seeing my family at Christmas, like, you know,
for people who have like that tradition of getting together
on the holidays, like it seems like a lot of
you know, for better or worse, this mentality of like
this won't stop our family, but it's it's such a
such a risk right now. Still so yeah, it's uh sy, Yeah.

(20:06):
So I there wasn't much pushed back. As far as
I can tell, nobody else noticed this quote from Fauci.
I think if he comes back in a few weeks
and says, oh, by the way, same thing in Christmas,
like your Christmas play the church thing you do where
they get everybody together and you sing the songs like
don't don't do that, that's I think when it will
be a craft storm. That's why I think now it
could be wrong. It could be that at Fox News

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and all of those circles, I say, you know what,
let's tone down the outrage this year, even though it's
going to cost us some ratings like the bench of
Pier of the World. They're gonna say, you know what,
we don't need to be a grifter today. Yeah, not today,
not when our democracy and lives are at stake, because ultimately,
are we all Americans? They'll say, they'll do we have

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to act outraged at every little thing that comes down
the pipe. Can we just tell people, look, the War
on Christmas thing was always kind of a griff. We
never actually meant it. Nobody thought Christmas was in danger,
so ease, it will be like the World War One
Christmas Day, uh soccer game where everybody is just like,
hey guys, let's all sing together for one day and

(21:13):
right back to trench warfare, play soccer on the frozen
dead bodies. Oh man, that story that everybody talks about
is heartwarming, is pretty pretty horrifying when you think about it.
I think most people just realized, look, as long as
there's money to be made on Christmas, it's not going
fucking anywhere. Just remember that, right. But that's also the

(21:35):
problem because if you don't think there's gonna be some
lobbying on the part of everyone who profits not just
from the gift stuff, but from the selling the turkeys
and the cranberry sauce and all the stuff they you know,
all the candy and all the stuff that's expected to
be there, the pies. Uh there's they have very much
have a motivation to push let's let's let's let Christmas

(21:58):
be our official The pandemic is over holiday, right, because
this is there are some retailers out there were thirty
percent of their income they make it Christmas, and that's
that's common. You know, this is the amery kind of
economy pivots around Christmas. So again, as much as we've
heard concern about the theater is going out of business
and the airline struggling, boy, wait until there's talk of

(22:22):
of Christmas revenue being cut in half or whatever it
would it would be if people were just mailing gift
cards to each other. It's Ah, we've talked before, Jason.
You've talked about how you wrote You wrote a column
back when we were both at cracked about how Christmas
is basically a like it goes back before Christianity, is

(22:45):
like a winter solstice holiday that is the like coldest
deadliest day of the year where humans like gather together
indoors to celebrate the fact that that nature has haven't
been able to kill them just yet. Um. So that's
like kind of drilled into us. It's also like mating

(23:07):
season if you look at the most common time for
humanity for Yeah, So it's ingrained the the idea that
we all get together indoors um and you know, have
traditions and celebrate traditions together. Like that's deeply, deeply ingrained

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in in human history and in our culture, possibly in
our psyche. So you can even see it now, how
many nonreligious people have no problem with Christmas. They don't
even view it as a religious holiday. At Santa Claus
and the tree and gifts and yeah, you know there's
atheist celebrate Christmas. It feels right. And when yeah, when
the Roman Empire made everyone be Christian, like when they

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would go to these places and they're like, well, we
you know, we're not going to cancel our winter festival.
They're like, that's fine, It's it's Christmas now, that's we're
just gonna rename it because again, it's the same deal.
Like they they had an economy revolving around their December
or whatever get together and it's like, well, we're we'll
give up our religion, but we're not going to give
up this. It's like, that's fine, you can keep the

(24:12):
same holidays. It's a celebration of our triumph over wilderness
that we celebrate by beheading something from the wilderness and
dragging it indoors and dancing and singing around it. Yeah,
all right, let's take a quick break and we'll be

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right back. And we're back and Jason what is something
you think is overrated. This is something I've been banging
the drum about for like four straight years. The concept

(24:56):
of gas as in like them when a politician or
a canada it says something dumb in public. Those like
the concept that that's something that matters and will actually
sink a candidate. Trump has killed that forever, okay, And
I'm I'm glad because Twitter loves this. If Trump misspells
a word in a tweet, that misspelled word will trend

(25:18):
all day. And I'm telling you I watched for three
and a half years when everyone was like, oh, fe
that's going to be the thing that alerts America that
this man is a moron. It doesn't work like that anymore.
The average American actually find it kind of endearing when
you're not polished as a politician. For whatever reason. In

(25:39):
the modern era, we we we kind of like it
when they screw up. And it was the same thing
of the primaries, and they're like, Biden is a gas machine.
He he can't string together two sentences without getting the
name of the city he's in, wrong or something like that.
Nobody cares. Let that be dead forever, because what happened
with Trump, where his numbers didn't. It took a worldwide

(26:00):
apocalypse to make his approval moved down by like the
four points that required to give the other candidate a
lead and some kind of substantial lead in the polling,
but the twenty thousand gaffs he committed did not do
that at all. Yes, in general, it's like seems like
nothing even attacks from their right about like the behavior

(26:22):
of politicians who are Democrats, just like they ring so hollow,
and it's like, I think this is where past all
of this now because you're so craven over there, like
the fact that Europe set I'm having a failure to
connect to the outrage that the people on the right have,
you know, like for even like with the Hunter Biden
things where they're like, oh, this will get them, and
it's like, no, everyone's completely numb to everything. Actually, I

(26:45):
feel like it it might motivate your base, but I
don't know if it's not that effect of like, oh god,
did you guys see this thing? It's lights out for them? Huh. Right,
there was an underage a woman who had claimed that
Trump had sexually assaulted her when she was underage. That
story just came and went in a blip like no
one listening, he even knows what I'm talking about, Like

(27:05):
it just like something that would have been a show
stopper twenty years ago. And then the New York Times
did this huge breakdown about how Trump was basically just
using the White House to divert money to his businesses,
and they probably devoted a hundred and fifty thousand dollars
and resources and reporting in man hours putting it together,
and no, it trended for like an hour. I saw

(27:26):
a few like political types on Twitter tweeting It's like, oh,
this is great reporting. It's a great breakdown at the
level of corruption here. The fly on Mike Pence's head
trended longer than than that. I mean, but that thing
was hilarious. That think it was. It was sitting there
and it didn't even leave boarding to dreams. Um. Yeah,

(27:49):
I I do think that it's some sometimes, like because
people do do say that Hillary Clinton's email, like the
fact that Homey opened up reopened that investigation a week
before the election had an impact on on voters, And

(28:09):
I think it's something to do with like how the
negative story interacts with like what we suspect about that
person and or like what people suspect and like what
the overall negative feelings are, like with the Rick Perry
thing where he couldn't name anything, like he's just couldn't

(28:32):
remember anything like that interacted with the fact that he's
clearly like not not smart and like propped up by
speech writers and uh, you know, and then they him
start wearing glasses after that, Like, um, but what Hillary.
That's the thing is that that was a culmination of
literally twenty however many years, twenty some years of anti Hillary,

(28:58):
anti Clinton likes, our corrupt hatred. Like if you were
in conservative circles in the nineties, you had like the
Clinton murder list, like the list of forty nine people
that Hillary and Bill Clinton had murdered together arranged a
plane crash was one of them, and like car accidents
like this made them and in conservative circles like that
they were these deeply corrupt people, so that even though

(29:20):
the emails didn't say anything, it was just a signal
to people who were already ready to hate her. And
I think that's one lesson we have about now is
that probably any other candidate, even one chosen at random,
probably squeaks out that election. Um, but they just uniquely
hated Hillary so much for a bunch of reasons. Some

(29:43):
of its sexism, some of it the Clinton's but she
was like the like in terms of her negatives and
all that she was. It was the case. They're kind
of like asking people to hold their nose and vote
for And that's one reason why this year is different.
People genuinely do like Biden like that, but you know, again,
it's the contrast with him and Trump is just so
strong that maybe anybody would have the same effect. Yeah. Finally,

(30:07):
what is a myth? What's something people think it's true?
You know to be false. It's a lose to the
Christmas thing, but the idea that right wing conspiracy craziness
will calm down after Trump has gone if if Trump loses,
because I know that, Like Trump has a thing where
he intentionally like retweets Q and on memes or that thing.

(30:28):
What was the thing about the Seal Team six? He
does read tweeted the other day that that Biden let
Bin Lodden go and then he killed Seal Team six. Yeah,
even though those people are all like public figures and
they have like book deals, are they saying I think
a couple of them died, like one of them died
in a car accident or something, and so I think
there was a helicopter crash involving some of Seal Team

(30:49):
six later on. But this is like they had the
dude who took the shot out here and being like
I'm sorry, Like what, I know what happened? What is
this ship? Right? So, while it is like with all
that criticism, that's all valid that like Q and on
has been boosted by Trump and the same thing like
these fringe groups like the Proud Boys, that they're boosted

(31:11):
by Trump. Kind of it does a nod in a wink,
and it kind of legitimizes them. But I think people's
memories tend to be really short and they kind of
maybe don't realize that, like pizza Gate came about during
the Obama administration based on those emails that were leaked
from Podesta and that Hillary wiz uh whatever that they

(31:33):
had that pizza restaurant, and then of course pizza Gate
became Q and on um and then during the Clinton
years during the nineties, that's when that right wing militia
movement that that's when that got started. That culminated in
the Oklahoma City bombing, of course, killed a hundred and
seventy people. A yeah, m Alex Jones got his start

(31:53):
in radio by spreading okay see bombing conspiracy theories, claiming
it was a Clinton inside job. Like that's how he
made his name. He started at info Wars. That was
during the Clinton years. So I think that and the
saying you know, like those of us around during the
Obama years, like um, The Daily Show, all of those
like kind of left wing platforms, they got big by

(32:16):
making fun of what a crazy conspiratorial turn Fox News
had taken, right because they had platform Glenn Back and
he had these conspiracy theories about the tsars. Do you
remember that how he kept claiming because Obama kept appointing Tsars,
He's like Obama are Russian and Czar like the root
word of Caesar, and and he had this whole thing.

(32:36):
And so they were kind of like pointing and laughing.
But that whole theory and that whole world view comes
from the idea that like white Christians aren't oppressed minority,
like it thrives more when the other party is in power.
So you're gonna see that pivot. That's one reason I
have this theory about Christmas, especially if Trump loses, because

(32:56):
they want to set the stage all of the grifters do.
And again the isn't these exist is because there's massive
money to be made. Let's be clear, Like Q and On,
Q and On sells merch, you know, they sell t shirts,
they sell sick or stuff like that. So all of
the people who are planning out their post Trump lives,
it's not going to be by moving to the center.

(33:18):
It's it's gonna be setting the stage for everything they
can detect that Joe Biden of all people is an
ultra far left uh communist maniac. To exterminate this lifelong Catholic,
got to exterminate Christianity. Is they're going to start that immediately,
like that, the moment the election is over. They've got

(33:40):
to start hunting for any indication. Every appointee, everybody that
is in the cabinet. They're going to find anything they
wrote in college that was like anti Christian anything like that. Yeah,
I mean, yeah, Trump is definitely you know, as has
been said by everyone needs a symptom of a of
a larger problem. It's you know, another symptom of that

(34:00):
problem is that like in a statistical like historical anomaly,
American life expectancy among white, non college educated people started
going down, Like it's I think that's all part of
this same Like there's been this part of America that

(34:24):
the mainstream culture has sort of ignored and looked down
on and just dismissed completely. That has metastasized and that
isn't going away, Like that's Trump. I also don't think
Trump is going away even if he loses the election,
Like I think that could make him a more dangerous

(34:48):
leader slash organizer. Um, you know the conspiracy theories. If
he loses in a landslide two, loses in a close election,
the only thing that will do will give him ammunition
to claim that he was cheated out of the White
House and just get more and more conspiratorial, and he'll

(35:09):
start openly embracing Q and on. Like I don't, I
don't see how we move beyond this specific wave. Yeah,
I mean, the only way he becomes quiet is he
does that thing where he like just doesn't want to
take elves publicly anymore. So he just like retreats and
doesn't talk about it. But but he's not taking els
as far as he's concerned, he's in a bubble where

(35:31):
you know, he goes out in front of people and
gets the thing that he craves and that he that
is his lifeblood, which is being a stand up comedian
who people worship as a messiah. Yeah, okay, but let
me ask both of you this, Like Trump can be
indicted on several crimes the moment he leaves office because

(35:51):
obviously the Southern District, New York, that they've got stuff
waiting from the Trump whatever his various charity stuff to
stuff he at an office too, the you know, the
many many things that have been uncovered that like his
family has been involved in in with funneling money around.
If they charge him and it turns into a year's

(36:13):
long legal battle, do you think that's good or bad? Like,
do you think it's it's better to not turn him
into a martyr and let him just just eventually die, Like, yeah,
I can see him getting martyred. Pumps up fire. It
just gives his base every reason to believe every single

(36:34):
thing he's been saying the whole time. In a way,
like it feels like that could that could fuel it
because I don't know if they would look at a
decision made in a court and be like, well, it
seems like that's he did wrong. I guess you gotta
go to you gotta you gotta be punished. I do
think that being prosecuted for financial misdeeds is a very
boring way to be martyred, though, So if you're gonna

(36:56):
martyr someone like, martyring them under like a bunch of
like red tape and financial misdeeds is probably a good
way to go as opposed to you know, I guess
there will be video of him being arrested, and there's
gonna be violence from the right. Like that's just I mean,
there already is violence from the right. But one way

(37:18):
or another, like whether he leaves office because of a
legitimate election, what whatever it is, Like, they're not gonna
go down. They're not just nobody's gonna just be like, yeah, okay,
that was a fair election. You guys, we we admit
we were wrong, and we'll shut up now, and we're

(37:38):
liberal now. No. I mean, it's just that that's why
they're they're better at being the minority party, Like they're
better like they're the conservative culture thrives to your point, Jason,
when Democrats are in power, like they don't know what
the funk to do When they're in charge, it's like
a fuck, we don't like, we're just gonna try and
do all this other it'll be chaos. But there the
I think they have more energy to respond to a

(37:59):
democrat in power than like a Republican empower and then
trying to explain away all this ship about why nothing's working,
Like it's better to just always be like, no, you
see what they're doing. That's what's going on, and that's
why they're empowering. That's what it so. Yeah, but I
think Trump gives them the unique position of actually being
able to both be in power and also be a
prosecuted minority because the media is out to get him,

(38:21):
and because that's why he had to invent the deep state.
That narrative, that's the only way that narrative works. It's like, well,
actually the president is powerless. It's the deep state that oppresses.
That oppresses the President's okay, because you could you could
pass another stimulus package that would be enormously popular at
any minute, and he just doesn't know how it would

(38:46):
actually do. It would have if he had done that
like a month ago. It would have boosted him in
the polls, maybe by a lot, and he just doesn't
know how to do that part of being president, the
legislation part of the deal. Um, yeah, alright, one thing
that some of us were hoping that maybe he would
be good at it, you know that like saying, look,

(39:08):
the best deal is the one that most Americans want.
It happens to be the one that the Democrats want,
so let's make a deal and pass it. Nope, no, not,
it turned out that's not That's not how he thinks. Yeah,
because his whole thing is owning, owning them and the
other side being wrong can get to a place of
like compromise that way. All right, let's take a quick break.

(39:29):
When we come back, Miles and I are going to
recap the what what happened on the town Hall is
last night, and then you know, some of the stuff
that we were talking about maybe getting to that we
there's no way we get to in this episode, such
as the hunter Biden thing and popular Halloween costumes coming up.
We will get to in Monday's episode. And yeah, we'll

(39:53):
be right back, and we're back. That's how I'm cutting
that conversation off. Uh, we're actually here in the future
listening to super producer on a Hosnie talk about a
billion boy allionaire Indian bad boys in the world Formula
one racing. Uh. And I couldn't take it anymore. So

(40:17):
we are starting our post town hall record. Yeah, what
is postgame analysis? Uh? Biden is actually still talking. I'm
not king it's over. No, Like I'm looking at it
right now on ABC, it looks like he's still talking
to the people. He's standing up and like just being

(40:39):
very fatherly and making the same hand gesture. So, but
it's over. This was an hour and a half. Trump's
was an hour. Um So, Miles, I watched the Trump
town hall on NBC. This kind of feels like our
net rewatch already. Alright, So I watched the Trump town hall.

(41:00):
I watched the Biden one. Thoughts, Yes, the Biden one
seems like people. The Twitter analysis I was getting was
that he had like detailed, long winded answers. He's he
was able to talk normal, very uninspiring, especially when he

(41:22):
was talking about shoot him in the leg. He said
it again. I instantly thought, yep, he was like he
brought that up. He constantly would bring up his son
boh the one. The main takeaway from me is whenever
like a person of color, a black person specifically, would
ask something about the black American experience and what he
would do or his connection to past injustices or crime

(41:45):
bills and things like that, he just he doesn't have
like the good, clean, short answer that doesn't make him
sound like somebody trying to make a bunch of excuses.
But he still gets around to like well, like you know,
he'll he'll pint to certain things. But at the end
of the day, like there was one guy who was like,
can you tell me, you know, like besides I ain't black,

(42:06):
like what that means to vote for a different candidate
or if I'm not satisfied with what I'm hearing from
both parties at the moment, Like he specifically called out
the I ain't black thing, and that kind of caught
him off guard and he just started, you know, talking
a lot of words. Uh. But all in all, I was,
you know, like anything I've I was, I have a

(42:28):
very low bar for Joe Biden. So when he comes
out and says sentences, I'm like, well, good for you.
You know, there's a couple of moments or you you
made a you made a brain fart look like a
like a deep thought. And I'm like, yes, good good,
you're finessing. You're finessing it. That's what you need. Um well,
which is all to say, Like this was an hour

(42:48):
and a half and I'm like, I don't know, you
know it, there was nothing, nothing really great aside from like,
you know, maybe those moments he couldn't really decide whether
or not he was into fracking or court packing it.
That's always to be said when he's like in a
state like Pennsylvania, were fracking matters and or a contentious
issue rather. So I watched an hour of Trump's and

(43:09):
then I watched like the last half hour of Biden's,
and I found Biden's more stressful because I feel like
Biden still gets held to a standard where if he
like flubs or says a thing wrong, even he like
gets a little disoriented, and like you know, the media

(43:29):
will actually pick that up, whereas Trump, it's just NonStop
lies and just throwing heat. Was he talking at one
in a quarter speed? Because the one the first commercial
break in the Biden one, I quickly went to NBC
to see what was going on, and it just came
like and that's the thinking of it. I was like, whoa. Yeah.

(43:51):
So Dave Anthony, the comedian and host of The Dollar Podcast, tweeted,
Trump has never been on this much speed, and I
got I got that impression as well. He really would
be uh at at the end of his limits as
a high flying circus. Yes, yeah, it was. I think maybe.

(44:12):
And it may have just been too because I had
just been listening to Joe Biden for ten minute, fifteen
minutes that just comparatively, it seems very fast. But I
you know, we listened to his voice a lot. I
was like, this seems a little more and like he
seemed like, uh yeah, he was way up as uh
So he said that he he wouldn't answer when he

(44:35):
had the last negative test. He said his doctors certainly can,
which the doctors have refused to. So Savannah got So.
The one thing that I thought could have you know,
redeemed NBC is if this was like a setup, if
like the people at the toll booth had ducked when
when he showed up and it was just ah, they

(44:57):
started just drill like at how they massacred my boy. Yeah,
but it was none of that and in fact it
was kind of a nice set up for him. There
was a pretty young woman behind him in the shot
just nodding at everything he said, almost like like I

(45:18):
think how Trump would have set up the shot, like
everything he said that. She was like yeah, yeah, absolutely
right on. Um, and Savannah Guthrie did a good job.
And you know, it was like held him to a
standard of like, wait, but you have to not be

(45:40):
that fool of ship at certain I saw that with
like his four million death question. I saw her kind
of press him on that one where he's like, and
you know, I'm under levered. I'm like, yes, I looked
at one use of under levered. Some maybe you can

(46:00):
go either way. But uh he did at one point
say four billion dollars is a peanut. It's small. And
so she's like, so you do all that much money
and he's like, well, you know, I will say it's
just a small amount. You know, you got mortgages, that's
what it is. And it's like, so it sounds like
you do a four million dollars okay, yeah, Um. She
really tried to. I think the kind of big moment

(46:23):
of the night was you know, she she asked him
about what he denounced white supremacy. He said, I've always
denounced white supremacy, like I don't. Why why don't you
ask Joe Biden if he denounces Antifa and uh, she said,
well I don't. I'm not interviewing Joe Biden. And he said, ah,
that's cute, very like dismissive in sexist. Then she asked

(46:46):
him to denounce Q and On and so this has
happened before where somebody asked him what he thought about
Q and On anything about it, don't know anything about him,
and he did that again and then he said, I
do know they don't like pedophilia, and I don't. I
don't like pedophilia. So I'm so he just found the

(47:07):
one like acceptable Q and On belief and was like, so,
I'm kind of on board with Q and On. I guess, um,
so he knows, he knows what he's doing. He knows. Yeah,
And I think he also just said like I agree
about like pedophiles are bad or whatever. You know, it
seemed like if you were this last time was the
Proud Boys. This week Q and On got their little wink.

(47:28):
But yeah, Wow, it's funny that how he's like I'm
against pedophilia, but also I wish that woman Gealen Maxwell,
who's a pedophile. Yea to that pedophile, but I hate pedophiles.
The only thing that's really interesting is I was reading
about how a lot like legitimate human trafficking organizations have
been like intersecting with Q and ON people at times,
and they're like, dude, you are actually fucking up our

(47:50):
real work of tackling this issue, like with your meddling,
and like like it's just uh, it's it seems like
they're like accidentally overlapping with Q going on and then
being like wait, you're fucking things up or yeah, or
like or somehow they'll be invested, like there may be
some real human trafficking investigation going on, and then Q
people are starting to like try and send information or

(48:13):
they can crack it too, and they're like, please get
the funk out of the way, like we're actually doing this.
That's the most widely held belief among Q people is
that there's a vast of pedophiles there is. It just
happens to include a lot of Trump's friends and you know,
a lot of just elites on both sides. But it

(48:34):
seems like that was a calculated thing. He picked the thing.
That's also the thing that you'll see even people who
are just like flirting with Q or are like undercover
closeted Q members, they'll still be like talking about sexual
uh sexual, like going after perverts and pedophiles. So he

(48:55):
knew what he was doing, which is funny because he
was like at the last rally, he was just at
a rally, like throwing out all the fucking anti Semitic
ship talking about global as takeovers and things. Because you're
like you're using the exact same language in this audience.
Then you go there like I've never heard of him,
I know a lot about him. I don't know if

(49:16):
you checked the receipts from a couple of minutes ago,
talk a lot about it. So, yes, it's all very
kept saying of people who wear a mask caught COVID nineteen.
He was like a new study came at of the
people who wear a mask catch it, So what are
you astronomer? That's not true. But there were a couple

(49:41):
of times when like somebody asked him, why didn't you
put in place more COVID nineteen precautions. That was one
of the town Hall things. She was like, you told
Bob Woodward that like you knew it was an airborne disease,
it was a huge threat. Why didn't you put more
in place? And he he just went on like a

(50:01):
riff for two minutes about the travel ban, and like
how he was he did the travel band. Everybody said
it was bad, it was everybody thought it was xenophobic,
but I did it anyways, And like that would have
been an easy one, like Cody Johnson was pointing out,
like all you had to say was, Mr President, the
person asked you why in response to COVID you didn't

(50:24):
do more than the travel band, not for a two
minutes rand about the travel band, Please answer their question.
Like that would have been fairly easy one to push
back on, where it was just like this is TV,
so we have to like move on to the very
next thing. I did see that one point where he
was like, well, the thing is I did I would
to down say it. I don't want to make everyone panic. Yeah,

(50:45):
And she's like, well, what do you mean, what am
I gonna do go out there and say everybody's gonna die.
And she's like, well, you can split the difference. You
have to go that what actually, you can't uh, you
cannot you have there's only you're all gonna die or
nothing's wrong. That's it, finary. I think her best moment
came when she pushed him on the thing we were

(51:06):
talking about on I think yesterday's episode maybe today's episode,
where he tweeted that Biden had Seal Team six murdered
to cover up the fake assassination of Osama bin Laden.
He was like, what, I didn't say that. I just
retweeted it. It's a retweet. It's somebody's opinion. And she

(51:27):
was like, yeah, but you're the president, you're not somebody's
crazy uncle. Uh and here yeah, yeah, but it's a retweet,
it's nothing. I'm so what I'm allowed to put things
out there. Uh So that was a good moment where
she kind of said what was on every singles be like,
so do you do you retweet things you don't agree with? Right? Yeah,

(51:48):
that's Mike, what that would be my next question. It's like,
there's so many there. There was one moment where I
was like just screaming at times because I wish Savannah
got through just be like fuck it, I'm just gonna
fucking on this fool on camera because I would have
loved something like when he's talking about like, no, Mr President,
that's mathematically impossible. What you're saying is untrue, Like and

(52:09):
there's no way you can prove it. There's I'm telling
you right now, there's no way you can prove that. Well,
I don't know. I mean that's probably what he would do.
It's like, well, that's your opinion and you're abroad, so
what would you know? Just the guys. He at one
point was bragging about how he didn't ask Amy Coney
Barrett if she would like deliver him the presidency. He's like,
believe it or not? I didn't ask her about it?

(52:31):
Would you believe that? Believe it or not? I didn't
ask her? Like what? Okay? Points scored? I guess yeah,
that he was that he didn't like could you imagine
if he had been like, so you'll give me the president?
Do you think? What do you think? What do you
think you'll do? Right? Give me a handshake? I need
a loyalty with Omerta like the mob it overall, it

(52:54):
felt like the thing that mostly accomplished his like normalized
being a Trump supporter because it was like fifty fifty
and there were a lot of you know, women of
color who were like on the fence or Trump supporters.
There were you know, young people who were Trump supporters.
There were people with birds in their hair there, and

(53:19):
there's a lot at all. There's a woman who was like,
you have a great smile. You're so handsome when you smile. Yeah,
and then uh, and then asked him a question that
was like, I come from immigrants, Are you going to
be kind to like are you what are you gonna
do about Docca and dreamers? Like implying like would you

(53:41):
kind of be nice to them? And he was like,
gonna love what You're gonna love what I do to them.
I'm gonna but like implied that he was gonna be
like hard on them. He was like talking about building
the border wall. And they closed out saying how would
you improve And he said because I've done a great job,
which was an interesting way of no, no, no no. The

(54:02):
question was how would you improve do better? Because I've
done great? Uh. He's it's he really seems incapable of
thinking forward on which is just an unbelievable thing to
be true about somebody running for president. But the bar

(54:23):
that he's held to is so shockingly low. But it
just doesn't it really doesn't matter. Well, that's what's interesting too,
because like Joe Biden, you you realize that people who
are interested in a candidate for the Democratic Party have
way more intense questions to ask because I think most
people like yes, people are going to try and get
Trump to you know, flub or you know, ask him something,

(54:45):
but he's never going to give an answer. But that's
with Joe Biden, like he has to. There's a lot
of more nuanced that people are packing on in their questions.
But either way, it seemed like, I'm not sure what
this is going to do except for we'll see when
the ratings come out if he's just you know, him
and the right are just like circle jerking over like
the ratings and like you see, he can't even he
can't even get a crowd. There was this middle class

(55:08):
Latin X woman leaning towards Trump, which I was just like,
fucking kill me, but she asked him about Obamacare. She's
a frontline medical worker, and he was like the problem
with it, Like she asked a very nuanced question, was
like I'm a front line medical work or we don't
have the one with the daughter with the daughter, and
he kept just saying the problem with Obamacare is it's

(55:31):
not good. We're gonna do a much greatly. It's gonna
be much greater there, and Savannah got through rightly, was like, yeah,
you've been saying you're gonna repeal and replace. You haven't
replaced it with anything. You've like changed one part of it.
And she just was like, it's not great, it's not
very great. And the thing we're gonna do is great

(55:51):
and it's gonna be very affordable. Um, and yeah, if
people held him to any sort of standard, that would
not be as efficient answer. But yeah, uh yeah, it's
it seemed to go over. You saw that. You saw
the woman. I did because I was like, oh, this
is getting interesting because I remember them being described as
she voted for Trump in her daughter was going to

(56:14):
be voting for the first time, but was leaning Biden.
And then she asked this like very like question that
did not seem like a Trump supporter would ask the president,
knowing that you would hope that what you're I mean,
maybe she's like one of these naive Trump supporters, Like
maybe if I ask I a frontline doctor, a frontline
like medical worker who supports him, a very direct question

(56:34):
about like what's happening to us? Maybe he'll be nice
about it. But that did That's what that that one
in particular like made me wonder. I don't know, I
have a hard time conceiving of these people who are
like rational, self interested actors who are still supporting him

(56:57):
after all this. Well, if you just want things to
be super conservative and you know, go back to like
the whatever fucking times, it's like, you know, it's it's you.
We've seen like over and over how much people can
get like really focused on one thing and ignore every
other bad fucking thing about the president because like they're

(57:18):
just so energized by just one fucking issue. But yeah,
I thought she was a plant for a second. I
was like, are you pretending your Trump supporters you can
ask is Like I kept waiting for them to just
fucking light this guy up, and they just it was
not It was not to be. They're all fucking probably preapproved. Yeah, yeah.

(57:40):
Which He also had these like a couple of moments
where he's like, have you ever heard of a word
called negotiations? I am negotiations negotiating where he would like
do these like silly faces and like voices. He's he's
just a performer, is the camera him? Uh, he's got

(58:01):
a great smile. He's so handsome when he smiles. And
and what you just said was our new pledge of allegiance?
All right? Any anything else anything from the Biden? Uh? Nah,
not much, not much. You know, if if you if

(58:22):
you were if you were interested about like getting to
the bottom of certain things about renewable energy or you know,
police reform and things like that, you weren't. You know,
it's the same things we were talking about even in
the primaries. It's not. This is not the candidate who's
going to take those things head on. And you know,
maybe you can drag him to the left if he
gets into office and it's not stolen. But yeah, it was.

(58:44):
It was not. I don't know, maybe it was disheartening.
I've I'm just like all I can think about is
like November three, Like, what the funk what things look
like after? What is going to happen? Talk talk talk? Yeah,
just like those guy us who really got the message
from that, the Wolverine Watchman, Yeah, they get it. Uh alright, Uh,

(59:07):
let's go back to the present tense alright bye, and
we're back from that again. Here we are in a
world where we don't know what just happened in the

(59:29):
town hall debates. Uh so, uh I can I feel
like that take will always be fine? Right as Jason
was saying, if Donald Trump falls over and has a seizure,
this whole episode will seem very crass. Or if b
York murders Donald Trump during the town hall, this this

(59:50):
episode will seem pretty hot episode. It's in pretty pretty
bad taste. But let's real quickly before we get out
of here. I didn't want to talk about this story
that I think doom scrollers everywhere, uh noticed, which is
gentleman by the name of Robert Kahley, who was one
of the only posters that predicted Trump's win in and

(01:00:16):
you know they're a handful most of them are predicting
that this time is different. Robert Kley is saying, Nah,
we've got another We've got another one coming to real
h He's gonna win. Yeah. I mean his whole thing
in was that he said a lot of posters weren't.
He has like his own method where he's trying to
he asked other questions to try and nail down who

(01:00:37):
this person might be. And you know, his the big
thing that he always talks about is this idea of
um like social acceptance or social desirability bias and how
that affects people's response and a lot of things. And
he said that in fact, in he thinks it's like
a worst take to have now to say you're supporting
the president. That he's trying to adjust for that as well. Um.

(01:01:00):
But one of the big things he was saying is like,
you know, a lot of the polls say Biden's gonna
win Georgia or Florida or North Carolina, like you know,
leading and he's like, that's all fucking there's no way.
He's just saying, Georgia, Florida, North Carolina, Ohio, Texas, Arizona,
They're they're not nailed on for Biden, like by any
stretch of the imagination, despite what the polls are saying.
And he predicts Trump will win in all of those states. Um.

(01:01:22):
And he was also saying that the you know, while
he has lost a lot of support, you know, he
was saying like, yeah, he's lost a lot of support
with suburban women. He's lost some support with the elderly,
but he has picked up support with black and Latino voters. Surprisingly,
he said, he was really like, it's it's gone up slightly. Um,
so there is some movement in that area. But you know,

(01:01:43):
with all that to say, I was just there like
we got Jason on so you know what that just
I'll put that down and let us discuss that, because yes,
he he feels very strongly that this there's there's not
much not much difference between the two. This is for
one thing, no one who gives an answer to this
is not somewhat motivated in the reasoning like I don't

(01:02:05):
want I don't want to give anyone a reason to
not vote. And obviously people who are afraid of a
second Trump to term are also very afraid of saying
anything that causes people to maybe be to relax, And
so there's a motivation to kind of in those channels
to kind of boost anyone who's saying, hey, Trump's chances
are better than you think, because you want people to

(01:02:26):
go out and vote. It does from the early voting
it appears people we're gonna have like record turnout, like
and anything can happen. It's you know, the whole issue
that I like Nate Silver. I know a lot of
people have grown to hate him. What I like about
him is he's one of the few people that points
out that, look, we have not had that many presidential

(01:02:46):
elections period, in the modern era, in the polling era,
and in the mass media era, that you're only talking
about the ones going back to what nineteen sixty and
the air in which TV has been a thing like,
that's just that's a small sample size. And this is why.
And so anybody who says, well, you know, because you
hear this these headlines like well, no president has ever

(01:03:07):
lost when the unemployment has been blank, or or this
guy who's predicted four straight elections, you know, says blank
is going to happen. And in every case it's a
really small sample size. And every election, you know, they
used to consider it almost an extreme scenario that you
would have a popular vote in electoral college split like

(01:03:27):
we just had. And I don't remember anybody predicting that
Hillary would win by three million votes and lose the
electoral college. But now that it's happened, it makes perfect sense.
It's like, oh, yeah, this is kind of baked in that,
you know, like the electoral college has like a conservative
slant because it gives more preference to rural voters. Right, So,

(01:03:47):
knowing that, yeah, it's not they've in the simulations, they
run eight They've got somewhere. I think Biden wins by
like six points and still loses the electoral college because
of so any of the votes are concentrated in California
or whatever states he flips, and then Trump narrowly wins
all these others, and that can do it. It's mathematically possible.

(01:04:10):
It's just that virtually every other polling agency other than
this guy disagrees because the whole the whole concept of
people being re eluctant to give like an unpopular answer,
that's been that's been a part of polling methodology, going
back to the dawn of polls. Like this is an
ongoing problem. They actually have algorithms where they try to

(01:04:31):
account for it. I've got a link here we can
include in the footnotes water when they talk about that
the issue is not one it's I don't know how
many Trump supporters, you know, they tend to not be shy,
and and this guy is saying, well, yeah, but in
a blue state, they'd be afraid to admit that they're
But these polls are not conducted on the street in

(01:04:53):
front of their their liberal friends. They're they're often anonymous
online surveys and a blue a Biden supporter in deep
red Alabama, you could say the same thing, like they're
they're afraid to come out. It's like that's a place
where you put a Biden signe in your yard and
somebody's gonna shoot it with a shotgun. So again, the

(01:05:14):
reason people like this narrative is because of this this
kind of thing that liberals are so mean to Trump supporters,
um and we're and the cancel culture and whatever the
whatever they throw around, like these people are so vicious
that everyone's afraid they're that they to admit they support Trump.

(01:05:34):
That I mean, Trump is running ahead of a lot
of Republican Senate candidates, he's running ahead of of Congress.
So it's that's if that's the case, you would think
you would have those same Republicans saying, oh, yeah, I
support Blank for Senate, but I won't vote for that
filthy criminal Trump. Even though they secreted are you're not
getting that, You're getting the opposite answer. So anything can

(01:05:54):
happen again, every time you say something like this on Twitter,
you immediately get a wave of answers like, don't get complacent, Please,
don't get complacent. I'm telling you there are many, many
motivated Trump voters. It's just that it would be much
weirder if he won now then if he had then
one sixteen was unlikely. I think if you redo that

(01:06:15):
election he wins at three times and loses seven this time,
it's it would be much stranger. So just going off
five thirty eight, because I agree their methodology is more
valid than a lot of the other ones, there's still
and I think rightly, so they still have a sizeable
chance that he wins. It's not like it's thirteen in

(01:06:38):
a hundred is what they currently have it at. They
currently give him a eight and ten chance that Biden
wins the popular vote but loses the electoral college, so
sorry sorry, and then five percent chance that Trump wins
both the electoral college edge in the popular vote. So

(01:07:01):
that's what happened the first time. I think we look
for polls to do something that they can't do like
last time. I think heading into the election, it was
high thirty percent chance that Trump will win. So he's
still an underdog, but that's not that much of an underdog.
Like if a baseball player going up to bat bats

(01:07:23):
over three hundred, that is a good hitter. You are
not surprised. Yeah, you're not surprised at all. If he
gets a hit and this is a one in ten
or a thirteen and a hundred chants is not likely.
But it's also you know, it's a thing that sometimes happens,
like if a pitcher gets up in baseball and gets

(01:07:45):
a hit, like you see that all the time. That
happens all the time if you watch a lot of baseball.
So I don't know, I just think that, like anything
can happen. Those states that he talks about Trump winning
like that that are being granted to Biden are all
very close in the polling averages. And even if Trump

(01:08:09):
wins Texas, Ohio, Georgia, Iowa, North Carolina, Arizona, and Florida,
he would still lose if Biden won Pennsylvania. Yes, to
be it has to be basically sweep everything where he's
down by a few points. So you need a polling
error that is somehow wrong across demographic groups across states,

(01:08:30):
which again which happens. Yeah, I mean, they've made the
point that when it's not like these are all independent variables, right,
It's not like if suddenly he overperforms by six points
in Ohio, it would be it would require him to
equally unlikely overperformed by six points in Pennsylvania. It's like, no,

(01:08:52):
they're responding to the same condition that was true across
Ohio and Pennsylvania and Florida, which is what happened in
the last election. But those are all things they take
into account. Uh, They're all things that can happen, which
is why Biden they were not the ones who in
the election, we're like, yeah, Trump has less than a

(01:09:15):
one in hundred chants of when they were like no,
it's like he's an underdog. But it could easily happen,
and it did. There. We had some of the pundits
the way they were talking. He felt like the halftime
of Game six of the NBA Finals were like the
Lakers were had such a lead, where like at halftime
they're like, yeah, credit to the Miami Heat. They really

(01:09:36):
hard and I was like, yo, yo, don't do this
ship right, Like, let the game fucking end. And it
has like this similar feeling. But yeah, I think I
think most people still have that trauma of feeling like
the polls are accurate, and I think at the end
of the day, all you can do is just try
and get as much turned out as possible. But the
one thing that anything happened, the one thing I think
they're vastly underrating that they say a four in one

(01:10:01):
chance that the election hinges on a recount. Um, I
think that we're very likely to see Trump and the
Republicans and Fox News find a way to invalidate uh
states where it's close or even not that close, but
they will find ways to throw question on a bunch

(01:10:26):
of votes and claim voter fraud. And you know, it's
just something Republicans have done before. And this is an
administration and a Republican Party that no longer is required
to hide it when when they're wrong or when they're
doing something illegal, like they have lost all, uh you know,
any tether too accountability. So why wouldn't they do that. Yeah,

(01:10:50):
it's like a case where if well, like let's say
you're you're in the NBA Finals game where for some reason,
according to some rule, we have to win by fifteen points. Right, Yeah,
it's not it can't be close. We can't win by
one by one vote. And I don't know if the
Republicans in your audience hate it if I keep saying
we like we're on the by part of the Biden administration.

(01:11:12):
But it's it's a case where it has to be
a big it doesn't have to be a landslide, but
it's got to be enough that on election night we
pretty much know and that there's not enough of where
where there's not it's not close enough to trigger any
recounts or anything like that. It's got to be you know,
seven points in Pennsylvania, you know, maybe three points in Florida,

(01:11:33):
like where even if all those that where they won
by two one to three points, where it still wouldn't
get him two to seventy or whatever, it's got to
be an overwhelming victory. So it's it. Yeah, that's what
I'm nervous about. It. It's not it's it would be
stunning to me if Trump got more votes, that would
mean something truly weird had happened. And especially in fact
that ten percent of people have already voted, there's something

(01:11:55):
like seventeen million votes in already. Um, what I'm more
armed by is that it's it has to be by
a comfortable margin if you want this to do what
it's going to do, which is truly be a rebuke
to Trump and truly send the message that doing it
the way Trump did it is not a model for
future Republicans. Like having you know, an attorney general that's

(01:12:17):
just your attack off right, this is not a model
that works. I don't want I don't want Tucker Carlson
to be out there dreaming of running in as like Trump,
but a little bit more media savvy, a little bit
smarter and younger. I don't I don't want that. I
want this too. I want it to obliterate the idea
that this is a good way to function as a president. Yeah,

(01:12:39):
that is the thing that's being talked about it a
lot on the right. Is Tucker Carlson the future Republican
presidential candidate. I mean he'll do great. Yeah he's uh,
I mean he probably will. I mean he will because
there is some actual, like, you know, racist asshole with
his ship together that's looking at Trump is like, you're

(01:13:00):
fucking this all up? Man, He's like this it could
have been so much, It could have been so much
worse of Trump actually what he was doing, Yeah, exactly,
And I know those people are like rubbing their myths
for another bite of that apple. If Tucker Carlson's already
done the uh you know populists economic thing that Trump
like made head fakes towards populist economic policies but didn't

(01:13:24):
embrace them at all. And still it's funny because then
Tucker carlsonization is like, why is it a surprise now
that millennials prefer socialism? Well, if you look at the
economics of it, and like he's it's like he's smart
enough to know, like where what the motivations are generationally,
and I think that's where that's how you that's where
it gets dangerous because if some people are like, well,

(01:13:44):
you know, Tucker Crosson got a point about that. I mean,
I'm not a person of color or you know, in
a mind in a marginalized group. But what he's saying
about like my class thing, that's facts. So and he
knows how to be a messy bitch who loves drama,
like he accused The New York Times of give the
Way like doxing him. Yeah you arrest Yeah all right, Jason.

(01:14:06):
It's been a pleasure as always having you here on
the show Where can people find you? Follow you, read you,
Where you At? I have a new book coming out
this week that is on shelves. You cannot miss it
because it is titled Zoe Punches the Future and the Dick.

(01:14:28):
I want to see that ship on the New York
Times bestseller list next week. You guys, don't buy this ship.
That would be the dream. I I know that the
New York Times can pick and choose what they want
to be on their list because it's not a list
of sales. It's a They kind of decide what's gonna
be on there, so um, that's fine, but yeah, that
would be That would be the dream. Otherwise, No, the

(01:14:49):
cover it's It's uh takes place in the future. It's
a sci fi novel. It is strangely relevant to things
that are going on today. That's why it has a
title that fits the tone of because that's where we
are as a culture. Is there a tweet or some
other work of social media you've been enjoyed as a

(01:15:12):
tweet from at b Kratz, who simply said, sociopaths are
always so smart in movies and TV that you forget
they can also be dumb. If you want to a
lesson for the future from this era, that would be
it can be a sociopath and also a moron. Trump
was never playing four dimensional chest. Uh. You just had

(01:15:36):
that narcissism hack that can take you a long way
in America, but not but only so far. Uh, Miles,
where can people find you? And what's tweet you've been enjoying? Twitter? Instagram,
at Miles of Gray, the other podcast for twenty day
if fiance, if you like that ninety day talk? Uh.
Some tweets that I was perusing. First one is from

(01:15:58):
at yot from you of his past guest. He says,
white people, how do y'all get Entyler Perry movies? It's
a very interesting question. I also wondered about that. Another
one is at No Power at No Power Raid in
USA tweets, Hey, babe, I really appreciate you taking birth control,
even if it sucks you up. It just feels really
good on my penis. And I'll wear a condom for

(01:16:18):
the fifteen minutes of sex we have twice a week.
And then another one from at Colin Barrett eighty two.
It's kind of a reference to what we were talking
about earlier. Massive respect to everyone still experiencing time as
a linear sequence. Uh, that one too. Native the Living
Dead tweeted white people have no culture. Oh yeah, we'll

(01:16:40):
explain cults. Uh. And then Marcella Aguao tweeted can't wait
to have Alzheimer's and forget everyone around, but still know
all the words to nothing but a g thing, which
is definitely where I am headed. Uh. And then finally
Mark K tweeted, my cousin Vinnie more like my cousin

(01:17:02):
Vinnie's hot fiancee. Um. Oh ship real quick before we go,
we gotta figure out what we're watching. Okay, Well, I'm
gonna be out Monday, so apologies for that, so this
will be Tuesday. You get it again. It's another one
where you get a little bit of extra time to
check out what we are going to be watching on Netflix.

(01:17:23):
I you know, it's weird. For the first time, I
saw like a social video, like a social media ad
for a Netflix show and I wanted to watch it,
and that was The Cabin with Bert Kreisher. Well that
qualifies it is that number six in the Netflix Top ten,
we got The Haunting a Blind Manner Number one. QB
Halloween Hanging Tough number two, Emily in Paris. Number three.

(01:17:45):
Apparently I quit before Emily starts just having sex with
everybody in Paris, So I have to keep going on
that one. Uh four Ships Creek, five, six, The Cabin
with Bert Kreisher, seven, Evil, eight any ball, I guess
that just became available. Nine Coco Milon, and then ten
that Millon ain't going away. Coco Milon is gonna be here. Uh,

(01:18:08):
we're all gone. But yeah, so you were saying The
Cabin with Bert Kreischer appealed to you, what what what's
the premise here? It's just him and like a bunch
of comedians actors. It looks like they're just getting like
fucked up in a cabin, like smoking cigars, having some drinks. Uh.
But the thing that I saw was, uh this, you

(01:18:29):
know stand up name Miss Pat. She comes on. There's
like an episode with Joel McHale and Kaylee Kuoco and
they're having drinks and they're talking about their their own careers.
But then there was a moment where like Miss Pat
She's like, I don't really funk with you know, Big
Bang theory and is the star of Big Bang Theory, right, yeah, yeah, yeah,

(01:18:51):
and and then uh, Joel is like, dude, it's like
literally the most popular thing of all time. And then
Kaylee was just sort of like trying to be like, oh,
I'll send you the box sets you can watch him,
and she's like, no, you know what, honey, I don't
think I'm I'm gonna really mess with that. And then
she said some ship about being like She's like, it's
too smart and I'm not dumb, but it's corny. I

(01:19:11):
just can't get into it. And then just said when
I heard y'all were making a million dollars in episode,
I was like, who the funk is watching this show
to pay these people a million dollars an episode? Straight
to Kaylee Quoco's fucking face. So I was like, Yo,
you got me. I love just when you just see
people being like I don't give a fuck, but I'm
gonna talk to you like I'm not gonna you know,

(01:19:32):
it's you know, it's a little spicy. Obviously you're disrespectful,
but Kaylee Quoco like just sort of crumbles and I'm
part of like, whatever, just go cry on your mountains
of cash, just forget about it, all right. So we're
watching that. Then we're watching the Cabin with Bert Kreisher.
We'll watch a handful of those apps and talk about that.

(01:19:52):
He's got quite the backstory too, So we got a
lot of yeah you were saying, a lot of talk
about the inspiration for Van Wilder. Yes, and Oliver Stone
fucking want like literally optioned his life rights because yeah, party,
that's smart party, that smart dude. Fsu bro. Yeah that

(01:20:14):
our coach, Bobby b You know what I mean, shout out,
Uh Snoop Menace? Did he play for issue? Who Snoop Menace?
I don't know. Anyways, we're gonna talk more about Bert
Kreischer's uh party biography and uh what he gets up
to at the Cabin with Berts. All Right, you can

(01:20:36):
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the information that we talked about in today's episode, as
well as the song we ride out on Miles? What
are we riding out on today? We're talking about Canada

(01:20:58):
and now I'm talking about it can a Indian group
from Ottawa called Our Songs and this is a track
called Ladybug and they're got you know, they're like sort
of they they span many genres, but it feels like
a little bit of prints, a little bit of outcast,
a little bit of Kid Cutty. Um. This track, Lady
Bugg is this got just got good feels to it

(01:21:20):
and a little you know, the guitar plan and some
falsetto So check this one out. Ladybug by Our Songs
kind of like Kid Cutti is one of the more
influential artists who like didn't have a ton of like
mainstream hits. But yeah, yeah, everybody who makes music loves
them all right. Well. The Daily zey Geys is a

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(01:22:00):
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