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Speaker 1 (00:05):
Everything about this pressure.

Speaker 2 (00:07):
There's that one where the other person on the red
carpet was like I met my partner through like an
Ariana Grande fans and she was like.

Speaker 1 (00:14):
The hell oh arian wave her face like she goes
the reaction. It was like, oh she looks concerned. Yeah, yeah,
for sure. The power, the power.

Speaker 3 (00:31):
I wonder if there's ever been people who met via
the zeitgeist.

Speaker 1 (00:35):
No doubt it.

Speaker 4 (00:36):
I met I met all of you through the zeit geist.

Speaker 1 (00:39):
I met Hey, there we go, andy, but have we
launched my boyfriend? This is so funny. Me and my
boyfriend met through Come Town.

Speaker 3 (00:49):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (00:52):
I met Outam Friedland stand up show. I was like,
it's so funny. And then you messaged me on on
a dating app. It's like I saw you at the
Adam Friedland show and I was like, oh he's got Yeah.
I was like, oh, well, he's got to be an
absolute freak, so we should say.

Speaker 3 (01:14):
Like not only to be there, but then to use
that as the opening line.

Speaker 1 (01:18):
I know.

Speaker 5 (01:18):
Yeah, it was just funny because like anyone who's going
to like open with that, it's like, okay, well we've
already got like one very freak ass thing in common.
Between us, so this should go well. We've been together
for three years.

Speaker 3 (01:31):
So I saw you in downtown Cometown in the city center.

Speaker 5 (01:38):
I want to take care at the union protest outside
of Cometown City Hall.

Speaker 1 (01:45):
We we were both in the picket line together.

Speaker 3 (01:55):
Hello the Internet, and welcome to season three, sixty six,
Episode two of I Guy.

Speaker 1 (02:01):
Stay production of iHeart Radio.

Speaker 3 (02:03):
This is the podcast where we take a deep dab
into America share consciousness. We do now have a YouTube
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Speaker 1 (02:10):
Anytime I try and get under the U R. L.

Speaker 3 (02:12):
Fox Man at Daily Zeitge pod on YouTube, you can
go check out me flubbing shit like this that I
had to say dozens of times. Anyways, my name is
It's Tuesday, November twenty sixth, twenty twenty four. It's almost
thanksgaming man, I'm got one foot out the door. So yeah,

(02:33):
this is the level of effort and execution you can
expect from.

Speaker 1 (02:37):
Are you regressing because you're at your parents' house too?

Speaker 3 (02:39):
Like, yes, exactly, my mom, I've just been I've been
sucking my thumb with a blankie in my.

Speaker 1 (02:46):
The whole day. Thumb looks like that. Oh good, what
is it like that?

Speaker 2 (02:52):
What do you say Nation, November twenty sixth, is that
we're doing, Yes, sir, because I say we're saying that's
the day. Well, guess what it's. It's National Cake Day.
So shout out cakes and all kinds of varieties and cakes.

Speaker 1 (03:03):
Hey, let them know, let them know.

Speaker 2 (03:05):
It's time to celebrate the yeeks or the baked good.

Speaker 1 (03:09):
Up to you, Up to you.

Speaker 3 (03:11):
My name is Jack O'Brien aka mashed potatoes O'Brien because
it's almost Thanksgiving and potatoes O'Brien is a dish that
sometimes go by that one courtesy of the Frequent News
Ghost and Paul Garaventa on the discord a collabo on
that one. I'm thrilled to be joined as always buy

(03:31):
my co host mister Miles.

Speaker 2 (03:34):
Grass Miles Gray just keeping it real simple.

Speaker 1 (03:37):
You know, if your potatoes O'Brien, I'm miles of gravy
because I love the gravy. That's how it is. Again
you already know that's Peg and the Frequent News Ghost.
I'm I'm I'm looking forward to the amount of gravy
I'm gonna eat.

Speaker 2 (03:52):
I'm gonna just drink it out of an espresso cup,
like just on the side, like you know what, just
having one another, one another, one another one that is
what it is referring.

Speaker 1 (04:04):
To and heard congestion.

Speaker 3 (04:06):
Yeah, I feel like some people might have been confused
how the frequent News Ghost and Paul Garaventa collabored on
three word a K when I did it, But there
it is. It's because we also had it was a group,
it was a team AKA shout out to y'all, Miles.
We're thrilled to be joined in our third and fourth

(04:26):
by two of our favorite guests, a podcast producer and
a musician who hosted the Great Beauty Translated podcast celebrating
the trans experience and having a lot of fun along
the way. Please welcome Carmen larn and Janey Danger.

Speaker 1 (04:43):
Cobbler. Zachi R.

Speaker 5 (04:45):
Coppler, you're kind of channeling like like an auction crier
at the beginning, there.

Speaker 4 (04:59):
A very coveted scale that you have to like go
to school to learn how to do that.

Speaker 5 (05:03):
Like that's like a fast like buster rhymes could probably
be good out of Oh.

Speaker 2 (05:09):
I don't any time, I know you can tell my
t ain't about Yeah.

Speaker 5 (05:18):
Maybe now that there's no like space for them in
like popular music scene because of all the freaking mumble rap.

Speaker 1 (05:24):
Maybe they could. They're all working as an auction.

Speaker 2 (05:26):
Crist is so hard to like process in the year
of Our Lord's twenty twenty four now, Like he did
a video recently on his social media where he was
clearly just somewhere where there was like a parked helicopter
and he had like an empty suitcase and he like
hopped off the rail.

Speaker 1 (05:43):
I was like, yo, I just got off the helicopter
and You're like, the nothing's moving. The door is shut
and locked. Bro.

Speaker 2 (05:51):
I could tell that case is so light. I'm like,
why are we still doing this? Are not a helicopter.
He's not allowed to be on that helicig. No, No security.

Speaker 1 (06:00):
Is being dispatched immediately. He's like the one security guard.
Good thing, he's quickly. I love your album Extre Extinction
level event, bro, Yeah, yeah, go ahead, you can hop
on there.

Speaker 3 (06:12):
Man.

Speaker 5 (06:12):
There's like a guy. It's like a guy in a
control center like, yo, yeah, it's Buster Rhymes. You've got
to stop it, like it I'm sure it's him, Like yeah,
multiple incidences.

Speaker 3 (06:25):
Now, all the hellip heads across New York City just
have pictures of Buster Rhymes.

Speaker 2 (06:31):
He's off yeah, he's always got to have a duffel
on him, just to pretend if you want to stunt, like.

Speaker 1 (06:35):
Oh, there's a park limitsye, let me pretend I got out. Hey,
we'll sup, just got out the limbo. Do you have anything?
After the preamble was just like, hey, you know, it's
me anywhere to get what happened.

Speaker 2 (06:46):
I think everyone just kind of was so bummed out
by the action of just jumping out of like pretend
like you can almost feel like the camera guy gonna
be like and go.

Speaker 1 (06:57):
You know what I mean?

Speaker 2 (06:59):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, just it was so janky that yeah,
just everyone just is bummed out.

Speaker 1 (07:04):
Didn't even hear the words. So yeah.

Speaker 3 (07:05):
Anyway, anyways, helicopters are crazy, right, That's what he says.

Speaker 1 (07:12):
And about one, yeah.

Speaker 3 (07:14):
I can't believe those things can fly. Anyways, Carmen Janey,
we're thrilled to have you. We're going to get to
know you both a little bit better in a moment. First,
a few of the things that we're going to be
talking about today, we're going to be talking about We're
going to just continue to take a little peek into
how the Democrats are doing. Have they learned anything yet

(07:36):
from this past election. Are they learning the right things?
You'll you'll be completely unsurprised by the answer. And we'll
of course talk about Ebenezer Scrooge's grave being created.

Speaker 1 (07:50):
He was a real person. I don't yeh, I need
that to be real. I he was McDuck.

Speaker 3 (08:01):
Yeah, regard he actually tried jumped into the coins from
too high up.

Speaker 1 (08:08):
And broken that. Yeah, red misted.

Speaker 5 (08:12):
There was there was another there was another trans uh,
Scrooge mcdock who swam through the coins faster and it
was a big It was a big.

Speaker 4 (08:20):
Candle to get banned from a trans from money circus
for us, Scrooge McDuck.

Speaker 3 (08:30):
All right, Before we get to any of that bullshit,
we do like to ask our guests, Carmen Jane, what
is something from your search history that is revealing about
who you are? Carmen, I will start with you, thank you.

Speaker 4 (08:43):
Okay, my search history this week is actually quite boring.
And normally I'm searching some cool ship. But I've just
had three weeks ago. I'm going to talk about it,
and I underrated. I just had a full f FS
on my face facial feminization surgery, and I don't like
to google these things.

Speaker 1 (09:00):
Before.

Speaker 4 (09:01):
I mean I do, I still do. I just forget
about I forget about cold. Yeah, I like to go
in cold. But now that I've had everything done, I'm
like googling each of the procedures. I like to read
the surgery notes that are in like my my chart
app and I also like to google things to figure
out what is what. And I'm just looking at diagrams
of like endoscopic brow lifts, pipe three four head reconstruction,

(09:23):
write open rhinoplasty. I'm like really obsessed with what they
were doing to me while I was under.

Speaker 3 (09:27):
So congratulations three weeks later.

Speaker 1 (09:33):
That's wild. Yeah I never looked that bad.

Speaker 4 (09:36):
Actually it was all thanks to pineapple juice and arnica.
So drink your pineapple juice, take your It does not
make your com taste better, you know it.

Speaker 1 (09:49):
Kind of does.

Speaker 5 (09:52):
I'm a truth about this. Just hates pineapple, just hateapples.
Oh really doesn't make it ice better. The only thing
that makes your com taste better is a beef burg
and yawn is supposed to help with bruising and swelling

(10:15):
as well as the arnica. So I like did a
double a double whammy.

Speaker 4 (10:19):
Wow, okay, yeah, and I was only bruised for about
a week, so pretty good.

Speaker 1 (10:25):
Oh that is that the where'd you get that cup
from that looked like a hospital?

Speaker 5 (10:29):
Oh?

Speaker 4 (10:29):
This is from my This is my little souvenir I
stole from the hospital university.

Speaker 1 (10:34):
That's like, I love, I love a hospital ice cup.
It's been big.

Speaker 3 (10:40):
That cup was designed to hold ice chips.

Speaker 4 (10:43):
Yes, so yeah, I took it with me. I shout
out to Emory. They really got me together.

Speaker 1 (10:49):
They're quite nice.

Speaker 5 (10:50):
I got a sire that would be good for like
barts and like making like a like a mint jewelip,
like something that needs like like crumbly ice.

Speaker 1 (10:59):
Yeah right, yeah he goes in the hospital cup.

Speaker 5 (11:01):
Yeah, you call it the hospital or you don't walk
around the hospital drinking a mint jewel Look like I'm
at the Kentucky Derby. I'm like facinating on who's gonna die,
like standing outside the hospital room like like within myself
with like a like a brochure.

Speaker 1 (11:19):
Come on, yeah right, he's flat lining. Come on, they
save somebody's life, all right. They're throwing.

Speaker 5 (11:31):
Stop the county, stop the cout keeping the nurses from
going in.

Speaker 1 (11:35):
They're like, no, I got a lot of money on this.
Something from your search history. Oh, you know, my search
history was kind of boring. That's always funny.

Speaker 5 (11:44):
It's like always like the same kind of like looking
up like I don't know, like how to find like
an item in Dark Souls or something, but like something
kind of interesting. I don't know if I want to
go too far into it because it's a lot and
it's insane. But you mentioned the like since Ariana Grande
has been like in the news so much lately, it
reminded me of this like very strange coincidence. If you

(12:08):
google the words death Grips, like the bands Death Grips,
like the Experimental Wrap Trio and Ariana Grande, there's a lot.

Speaker 1 (12:17):
Of insane like MASHs. Maybe maybe there's not. No, it's
it's darker than that.

Speaker 5 (12:24):
It's like a numerological like there's this very insane correlation
between the band Death Grips releasing their album Steroids and
the like bombing that happened in at.

Speaker 1 (12:39):
A Manchester like Ariana Grande concert.

Speaker 5 (12:42):
Where the album was released on five, twenty two seventeen
and its length is twenty two minutes and thirty one
seconds that the bombing occurred on.

Speaker 1 (12:52):
Really wow, what do you want to do with it?
Where were you? Yeah, like I was, as I fucking
told you. I told Janey, what did I tell you?

Speaker 5 (13:03):
I'm so should I should have just talked about how
to find the symbol of avarice and dark souls one.

Speaker 1 (13:09):
There you go. There, that's why. Too deep. Yeah, the
amount of things I'm seeing on Reddit already, I'm like, yeah,
are you looking it up? It is like I don't know,
it's not I don't like, I don't know.

Speaker 5 (13:22):
I was thinking about this earlier this week with the
U Did y'all talk about the Joe Rogan.

Speaker 1 (13:25):
Believes in dragons kind of story that happened? Oh no,
my god. No.

Speaker 5 (13:30):
So it was like a thing on the View where
one of those girls said, like, Joe Rogan someone who
believes in dragons. And I'm not a Joe Rogan fan,
but the clip they were talking about it kind of
caused like a flare up on like Twitter and stuff.
And the clip they were talking about was from like
twenty nineteen, when Joe Rogan was still like a little

(13:50):
bit like more on the more lighthearted, just like talking
about like.

Speaker 1 (13:54):
You know, a monkey's really strong, you can rip your
face off.

Speaker 5 (13:57):
But yeah, it's like a it's like a hypothetical like
what if like dragons were real, and like it's just
a more kind of fun conspiracy. It's a thing that
makes you go hmm, as opposed to something that like
you just like lose your mind and you know, end
up doing like devastating things about So. I don't know,

(14:18):
I just thought, I just think it's a very interesting
set of insane coincidences that it's interesting.

Speaker 4 (14:25):
I don't know, but that's interesting.

Speaker 1 (14:28):
That's interesting, asking just asking some questions.

Speaker 3 (14:31):
If there's any anything other than interesting, Yeah.

Speaker 5 (14:36):
If there's any if there's any Death Grips fans as listeners,
I bet they would. They're probably a little weird as
it is. They would probably get a bit of a bit,
a bit of a hum out of this, or they'll
lose their mind, or they'll be like, this is talking
directly to me.

Speaker 1 (14:50):
There's a very.

Speaker 3 (14:51):
Specific group of people who were arguing that Kendrick Lamaran
father John Misty or somehow cosmically linked. Yeah, because albums
at the same time that is supposedly that is.

Speaker 1 (15:05):
Really really weird.

Speaker 5 (15:06):
Yeah, especially with this new one, because no one knew
this Kendrick Lamar album is coming out and Father Josh
till maybe he did, maybe that I haven't paid the
attention to Father John Mistis in a while, but I
do like the new album.

Speaker 1 (15:18):
It's very pretty.

Speaker 3 (15:19):
You play the Kendrick Lamar back album backwards and it's just.

Speaker 1 (15:26):
Somehow.

Speaker 5 (15:27):
Another another fun one like that is the like David
Bowie Kanye West one.

Speaker 1 (15:32):
Do you guys know about that? I don't know. It's
like that.

Speaker 5 (15:35):
If you look at the cover of Uh start us
the street, Yeah, the street he's standing on is k
I remember this?

Speaker 1 (15:45):
The story is kind of like that.

Speaker 5 (15:48):
The person that that Ziggy starred us or the person
that David Bowie is singing about who's like a rock
star who comes down to save the world and is
like a genre defining artist is Kanye West.

Speaker 1 (16:01):
I feel like we can probably put that one to
bed by.

Speaker 6 (16:03):
Everything about that checks out one unless unless what David
Billy meant was that like he's going to become like
an evil hit Larry and figure with the way that
maybe and.

Speaker 1 (16:14):
It can restore balance to the force, you know, and
trains around on time thank you.

Speaker 3 (16:22):
Saying don't sleep on Kanye West is the savior of humanity.

Speaker 2 (16:29):
Yeah, I mean, he's doing great. Things for doing nitrous
it's the best that we've heard.

Speaker 1 (16:34):
So yeah, I don't know.

Speaker 2 (16:36):
I don't know if that unless the Starman was it
in the lyrics that he would just be off NAS
all the time.

Speaker 1 (16:42):
Yeah, I think so.

Speaker 5 (16:43):
I think that you hear that and stuff forget said, right, Yeah,
I think that's what about this, Like.

Speaker 1 (16:48):
Does NAS have a mute? Not NAS the rapper, but
like NAS the drink.

Speaker 3 (16:54):
Does it have like a musical esthetic, like the way
that you know, like psychedelic.

Speaker 5 (17:00):
Rock, because the only people that I knew who drank
NOS were people that like just got out of rehab,
like nitrous oxide. You're talking about the energy drink, No,
I mean.

Speaker 1 (17:17):
Almost definitely a reference to I think that the energy drink.

Speaker 5 (17:21):
I could be wrong on this, but I think it's
brewed with nitrous like Guinness sort of.

Speaker 1 (17:27):
I could be me, but it might be. I don't know.

Speaker 5 (17:30):
Nitrous is having a moment though, because like galaxy gas,
which is like a legal way to do it, and
it's very weird like even Yeah, I don't know how
much I've talked about my like junkie past, but like
like a long time ago, I was a very different
bad person and even when I was like doing like
Heroin and Ship, I would see people like huffing things

(17:51):
and I'd be like, oh no, that can kill you.

Speaker 1 (17:53):
Brother.

Speaker 5 (17:56):
You guys are you guys are crazy right nowthing about
inhaling something like I don't know, I have like an old,
big giant balloon.

Speaker 1 (18:08):
You're like, yeah, yeah, I don't know.

Speaker 5 (18:12):
Maybe just because I'm asthmatic and I'm afraid that like
if I breathe something in for too long, it's like, oh,
it's game over and I can't.

Speaker 2 (18:21):
I mean, if you said for an actual sound, the
closest I would say is like, there is a Tame
and Polo track called Nangs, which it's like slang for
nitrous oxide, and the sound is like there's like a
sort of robbing yeah, like wobbly keyboard in it that
I mean, yeah, that sort of replicates the feeling.

Speaker 1 (18:41):
But I guess I don't know. It's hard to be like, dude,
they're there. You can tell they're so like artistic because
of the Nangs.

Speaker 5 (18:48):
There's also the new Little Uzivert album where allegedly there's
a song where he like rips a galaxy gas rip
like in the middle of the song. Oh God, even
amongst like Uzzivert fans.

Speaker 1 (19:02):
People don't like it. People are bad after that.

Speaker 3 (19:08):
Yeah, it's not a thing I associate with productivity of
any sort, no artistic.

Speaker 5 (19:15):
I've always been a skeptic when people are like, oh,
the Beatles made good albums because of psychedelics, It's like, no,
they made good albums because they were creative.

Speaker 1 (19:22):
They're kind of just like at writing.

Speaker 5 (19:25):
That's not that's not how you can take all the
psychedelics you want. It's not gonna make you make abby
right right, Like.

Speaker 2 (19:31):
Yeah, I can point you in the direction of some
people who are cooked off ashida. People put a little
in front of them and they ain't doing shit.

Speaker 5 (19:38):
Yeah, absolutely, yeah I don't. I couldn't imagine Nitrius doing
any better.

Speaker 2 (19:44):
No, I mean because if you think about it, at least,
like with psychedelics, people are like I can kind of
see them looking at things different. You talk to somebody
off the gas or like, iint nothing happening in there
that's worth talking about.

Speaker 3 (20:00):
Yeah, let's uh this PSA brought to you by the Dailies.

Speaker 1 (20:05):
I think let's take a phone dog on the phone
to stay in my high school. Bro, we hit big
ass balloon.

Speaker 7 (20:15):
We're like, all right, yeah, let's take a quick break.
We'll be right back, and we're back. We're back and
we're back.

Speaker 3 (20:33):
Yeah, and it is time press ask you both, what
is something you think is underrated?

Speaker 1 (20:40):
Janey, you want to kick us off? This underrated? Yeah?

Speaker 5 (20:43):
Okay, So this is another another one I've just been
kind of thinking about a lot lately as we like
further like dispend descend into like horrific fascism. But I
really I really hate these people. I really hate like
the world right now. I really hate a lot of things.
But one thing that is really kind of like just

(21:07):
sticking with me, that has stuck with me, like since
the election is seeing all of these like tasteless losers
like gloating and being happy and you know not I
would never, by any means hand it to the Nazis,
but the Italians had some style, you know, they had
some some swag.

Speaker 1 (21:27):
You know. In fact, I think if I remember my
history correctly, they were only in it for the suits.
These people.

Speaker 5 (21:35):
Like seeing these motherfuckers like be like, oh my god,
church is so aesthetic to going, Like having a family
is so base, Like all these like boring just boring
signifiers of like white Protestant Christianity and touting it as
this like aesthetic standard of like beauty.

Speaker 1 (21:55):
It's like what happened to taste?

Speaker 5 (21:57):
Like what happened to like I don't know, like I
seem to maybe like I'm retconning this in my mind,
but like I seem to remember like evil fascists had
some form of like I don't know, like taste like
like salo like like they were like I don't know,
like they were they had they had some kind of
evil elegance to them. But I guess it's just like

(22:17):
distinctly American that like our form of fascism is like.

Speaker 1 (22:23):
They're making beef tellow come back to McDonald's.

Speaker 4 (22:26):
It's so gross me theer I use as beefcallow.

Speaker 1 (22:32):
Yeah, but is actually it's just so gross.

Speaker 3 (22:39):
Like I maybe we were cool after all all along
because president because we're in power the thing that's always cool, right,
I don't I don't understand the theory that they they're
like we won the guy we like won the presidential election,
and therefore maybe we were cool. Right, that's presidents aren't cool.

Speaker 1 (23:03):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (23:04):
It also it also ties them with the whole like
people like being like the whole kind of push to
make conservatism seem like countercultural, seem like punk rock and stuff.
It's like, yeah, well now you control every chamber of government.
How fucking punk rock is that? Like how rage against
the Machine is that? Dude, Like it's it's fucking ridiculous.
Like it's just these people make no good art, no

(23:26):
good music, no good nothing, and they get to walk
around like they're like the symbols of like aesthetic beauty,
and I hate it.

Speaker 3 (23:33):
It makes me so Yeah, I heard somebody you bring
this up. I forget who it was, but I do,
Like I'm I'm not gonna listen, but who I want
somebody to listen to their podcasts once Trump is in off,
Like what are they They're gonna just be like, man,
the president is cool.

Speaker 5 (23:54):
Yeah, yeah yeah. It Also another weird thing is how
like all these like especially if you're like still like
on Twitter, like all of these like right wing accounts
like to use like AI, which is like I thought
you guys were the ones that had like bronze age
statues as like your avatars and being like this is

(24:16):
like peak like blah blah blah. It's like but now
you're all like proudly touting like AI slop like it's
it's ugly. Every everything is ugly, and it's I just
hate it. I hate not that like fascism would be
better if it was pretty, So it's for the record,
it would still be horrible.

Speaker 1 (24:35):
Sure, but they're not even bothering with that part.

Speaker 5 (24:38):
Yes, I think that's what is that we're not even
bothering with Like, yeah, it's just everything's ugly.

Speaker 1 (24:45):
Everything is a mara fat and gross and I hate it. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (24:49):
Like when history books look back on this period of fascism, it's.

Speaker 1 (24:54):
Gonna be like, wait, how did they fall for this shit?
It looks so awful? I know, Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 5 (25:01):
Yeah, it's not it's who made the quote about like
we couldn't like destroy any American cultural landmark because their
cultural landmarks are like McDonald's and SpongeBob.

Speaker 3 (25:11):
You know, we spread them out like oxygen. Try and
take us down, try and take it. Yeah, And isn't
that what's cool?

Speaker 1 (25:19):
Yeah?

Speaker 5 (25:20):
Yeah, if they if they, if we don't get the
beef's sallow backs, the terrorists one, that's right, right exactly.

Speaker 1 (25:26):
Carmen was something you thinks underrated?

Speaker 4 (25:28):
Oh I think getting your whole face done is so underrated.
And this is for assist people too. If you if
you don't like something about your face, go and see
a plastic surgeon.

Speaker 1 (25:39):
Baby.

Speaker 4 (25:39):
Now, granted, mine was covered by insurance and it did
cost two hundred thousand dollars for the insurance, not for me,
but I got a ten hour surgery on the day
before election day, and Janie came and visited me in
the hospitals. But the day with me in the hospital
in fact on election day, and it was just a
great time. I loved getting surgery. I love being in

(26:02):
the hospital. I you know, it's great. And I'm the.

Speaker 1 (26:07):
One person who had a good election day. Yeah. Wow,
horrible election day.

Speaker 4 (26:12):
Yeah, I will say I was watching from my bed
in the hospital and I was like, you know what
this is.

Speaker 1 (26:18):
This fucking sucks.

Speaker 4 (26:19):
And I quickly emailed my uh my other surgeon to
schedule my fucking breast augmentation.

Speaker 5 (26:25):
So I was trying to make her feel better too,
Like I was like, I brought her some soup, like
we were hanging out. She was like a little worried
about it. I was like, you know, I think it's
going to be close. And this was my opinion for
a long time, Like, I think it's going to be
really close, but I think she'll eke it out at
the end. I even had a kind of fun theory
in my head that maybe the Democrats would lose the

(26:47):
popular vote. But when the Electoral College obviously none of this,
none of this came to be. But I felt like
bad because, like I she I lied to her.

Speaker 1 (26:58):
Yeah, I told her everything was going to.

Speaker 5 (26:59):
Be okay, and I was just like, I don't know.
I felt bad because I pay attention to this stuff,
and I like, I mean not saying Carmen does it,
but like all of my people that I knew, I
was trying.

Speaker 1 (27:13):
To like reassure them, like, look, I think she'll eak
it out.

Speaker 5 (27:16):
I think it's gonna be okay, right, And I was
not really wrong.

Speaker 1 (27:22):
Came down the road for a couple more years. Literally,
it's gonna be fine. Guys.

Speaker 3 (27:28):
Trump was so cool the first time was everything.

Speaker 1 (27:31):
He was so dumb. He was so dumb he couldn't
even do nothing. Oh my god, Late night is about
to get so funny punk rock.

Speaker 5 (27:39):
We're about to get another American idiot, guys, Like, I
want to say real quick, I spent election night playing
a board game called Storm the Capitol with my bandmates.
We were supposed to be practicing, but I was like, guys,
I'm too distracted.

Speaker 1 (27:56):
Can we just play this board game? And it's a
board game like by J six No it was it
was made by.

Speaker 5 (28:05):
Yeah, no, it was made by like ironic, like lefty
like podcaster type. It's a very fun board game. It
shouts out to the Storm the Capitol board game. You
play it's like the Capitol Police versus. It's like it's
like an insurrection monopoly mixed with like a Magic the
Gathering type combat system.

Speaker 1 (28:27):
It's really fun.

Speaker 2 (28:28):
Like, so, then are you as Capitol Police like faced
with like a card. It's like do you acknowledge your
inner inclinations to support these people and look the other way?

Speaker 1 (28:37):
Or do you do your job? No, it's more like
it with Biked Alaska. I have.

Speaker 5 (28:42):
Like the Capitol Police is like the Dungeon Master kind
of and you control like three different police officers and
then everyone else is like the the insurrectionists and they
have to go through flipping desks to find ballats, and
once they find enough ballots, they have to get to
the Great Rotunda, climb onto the roof and go and

(29:05):
meet President Trump for his victory and I'm trying to
stop that, and you get like card. There's like event
cards where you have to like sing the national anthem
and its entirety. There's one that's like a fuck Mary
kill type thing. The event cards are really fun.

Speaker 1 (29:20):
It's really fun and it's entirety. Like with the slavery verses,
I don't know, we don't know about that.

Speaker 5 (29:25):
As the dungeon master, when I did that, I well,
my friend didn't know the national anthem, so I don't
think he would have known the I don't think he
would have known.

Speaker 1 (29:35):
The remix of it.

Speaker 2 (29:36):
No, you just feel like that would be like the
deep cut of that game. It's like, no, the full version.

Speaker 5 (29:41):
Well, if you're playing as Capitol Police, you can. You
have free will to throw in things like that if
you want.

Speaker 3 (29:47):
I feel like it's going to be it's gonna have
the same evolution as the game Monopoly, where like Monopoly
started as a satire of capitalism, now it's just like, well, yeah, you.

Speaker 5 (30:00):
Yeah, it would be funny seeing conservatives like they're in
prison playing Startle.

Speaker 3 (30:07):
Together bought by Parker Brothers. There's nothing like the real thing.
What is something Carmen that you think is overrated.

Speaker 4 (30:19):
Well, I don't think it's going to come to any
anyone's surprise. But the US, the US sucks. I went
on I left the country for the first time in October.
I went two miles of homeland of age Japan.

Speaker 1 (30:34):
I might have to go back with my mom, who
knows based on what Trump does.

Speaker 4 (30:37):
Yeah, you know what, do it because you can buy
a really nice house in Japan for not much money,
which is pretty great. But I'm a total wiaboo now
because they fucking blew my mind with the public transportation
over there. Imagine that every city has inner city transportation
on a train that comes like every two minutes. And

(31:00):
imagine that you could get on a bullet train and
go fucking anywhere you want to in the country. And
imagine that the trains don't smell like piss because.

Speaker 3 (31:12):
They smell like poohto Galaxy Ga.

Speaker 1 (31:19):
Flavor Galaxy.

Speaker 4 (31:20):
But imagine that every train station is a fucking mall
with public restrooms and like shops and like lockers and
all of this shit. I'm just like, wow, they are
like in the year like four thousand and twenty four.

Speaker 3 (31:34):
I feel like you're You're describing so many sci fi
universes that I've seen, and it's just like, nah, we
just went to Japan and like show Joe what looks
like and you.

Speaker 2 (31:45):
Guys are like wow on the train platform.

Speaker 4 (31:51):
Yeah, Like, imagine if we fucking cared enough about our
own people to do public transportation right like that, it
would never happen.

Speaker 1 (31:59):
They get to be a fascist country too.

Speaker 4 (32:02):
They I was actually there during the political uh, like
when the election campaign was kicking off, so I saw
a bunch of like stump speeches and some of them
sound I obviously didn't know what they were saying, but
the the tenor was yes, and I know that they

(32:25):
do have very nationalists like politics.

Speaker 1 (32:27):
Oh yeah.

Speaker 3 (32:29):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (32:30):
So it's like even for me, like I love being
in Japan, but like there's still that part where like
I'm not really considered Japanese, like broadly in through the
eyes of like traditional Japanese culture, which fucking sucks because
I speak Japanese fluently without an accent and people are like,
where'd you learn how to talk like that? And I'm
always like, because I'm Japanese, right, You're.

Speaker 5 (32:53):
Like the uh you know those YouTube videos where it's
like white boy goes to Chinese village, speaks fluent.

Speaker 1 (32:58):
Mandara, and locals like, how'd you do that? Brown skin?
And I'm like my mother.

Speaker 4 (33:05):
I had several moments where they made fun of me
for because I tried to speak as much Japanese as
I possibly could, because I understood that like that's the
most one of the most respectful things that you can do,
and I, you know, tried to follow like the customs
and stuff as best I could. But one time, you know,
I was like, Ohio, because I'm you know, like to
the like attendant at the seven eleven, and then the guy,

(33:27):
the Japanese guy who came after me was like, good morning,
and I was like, yeah, fun of me.

Speaker 1 (33:33):
Right now.

Speaker 5 (33:33):
I do the same thing when I'm practicing Spanish, Like
when I'm like working somewhere like with a bunch of
Spanish people, I'll well, I'll try to like practice my
Spanish and they'll be like, oh no, it's okay, Like
like I feel like the only way I could learn
is if I was like had like a dialogue with someone,
but no, like they just they don't. I guess it's

(33:55):
not their emotional labor to teach me Spanish.

Speaker 3 (33:58):
Right, yes, yeah, No, I want to.

Speaker 1 (34:07):
I want to. I want to do it. I want
to Kiero yo Kiaro to do it. You Carol my practice,
carve me a spaniol. No, okay, I want to be
like Denzel Washington and training day right right right, yeah,
you want to be smooth with it. I get.

Speaker 3 (34:29):
I'll tell you, man, mad somebody smoke PCP.

Speaker 1 (34:34):
You never get a ride with Janey. Want you hit
this real quick?

Speaker 3 (34:38):
Damn Carmen, I didn't know he got wet.

Speaker 1 (34:42):
Yeah, I'm like, Carmen, that's galaxy.

Speaker 4 (34:44):
That's what she did on the day she came to
visit me in the hospital.

Speaker 1 (34:47):
I ripped my face off. I was like, I gave
you the bowl of soup. He has some super like
oh ship, Carmen. I like to get wet like this soup. No.
I walked in.

Speaker 5 (34:59):
I walked in there and probably the button that brings
the nurse and I was like, she's in pain. I
like took the percocets from her. I was like thanks.
I walked out, like see you later, Karmen. Good luck
with face.

Speaker 1 (35:14):
Janie. What's something he thinks overrated? Percocets and galaxy gas. No,
I'll just kidding.

Speaker 5 (35:20):
I'm gonna say I don't know if you'll talk about
this yet, but Blue Sky is overrated. The Twitter alternative
is overrated. And I'm only saying this because I will
acknowledge it is a lot better than Twitter as a
social media app because there's you know, you can log
on see people do all the things Twitter does, and
there's just like ninety nine percent less little hitler's running

(35:44):
around and ruining everyone's day. But I see a lot
of people make kind of like small bean posting about it, like.

Speaker 1 (35:50):
Oh, it's so nice. It's so nice to have a
little like safe pace.

Speaker 5 (35:53):
Like this, and it's making me feel crazy because have
we not forgotten that, like social media is just like
battle Like yeah, like the concept of social media is
not good. Like every time every second you spend on it,
you'd be better off suited, like reading a book or
like like, yeah.

Speaker 1 (36:12):
I don't doing anything else.

Speaker 3 (36:14):
This guy is health food. It's what I'm going to
be doing instead of spending time with my children. Yeah,
I George ti Kai's posts are fairly wholesome.

Speaker 5 (36:23):
Yeah, because AOC is here and she yeah, like it's
just it's I don't want.

Speaker 3 (36:29):
To say it's I am on Blue Sky as an
alternative to Twitter, but I also have the same It
was in the running for my over age.

Speaker 1 (36:38):
I know you're going to say that yesterday. I remember that.
Yeah wow.

Speaker 3 (36:41):
I just there's so much of it as like people
being and I'm not siding with because I think like
Nazis are also like coming and being like Blue Sky sucks.
It's like an echo chamber. It's like, yeah, just spent
forty four billion dollars making.

Speaker 1 (36:56):
Your own echo chamber.

Speaker 3 (36:57):
So like, but it does just like a lot of
the content that gets surfaced is people talking about how
good blue how good it feels to be on Blue Sky. Yeah,
like bad enough, just like oh, this is what I
would get on Twitter, except without the Nazis, which is
what I'm there for.

Speaker 1 (37:15):
I think it's like the difference between like drowning in
water and drowning in boiling water, where it's like Twitter
felt like, oh drowning and boiling water is terrible. Yeah,
so nice to be drowning in irregular water.

Speaker 5 (37:27):
High it's Doom's true. It makes me like, even before
Elon Musk bought Twitter, you were having like these same
people being like, oh another day on late Bird app
hell sites. And it's like you were calling this a
hell site before, Like now you have another hell site,

(37:47):
like you have another Like the whole point of Twitter
is just to like see things that make you kind
of mad real quick, like to see things that make
you like disagree, start conversations. And Blue Sky really isn't
that much different. Like I mean, there's a lot of
the fun things. There's a lot of people I like
that are funny. It's a lot of funny jokes. Like

(38:07):
social media can be like fun, and blue Sky has
the legs for it to be like fun now that
it has like people on it. But let's just not
like kid ourselves, like social media is not like good
and like making like another one that even though it's
less you know, overtly hilary, and it's not really like

(38:28):
good for you.

Speaker 1 (38:29):
Yeah, I like well, And I think the.

Speaker 2 (38:31):
Other part too, is when you really think about it,
Like I obviously once after the election, I'm like, a, right,
this shit's fully cooked. But a lot of the thing too,
I feel like there are a lot of like libs
who were like don't want to face the Twitter reality
of it, and they want to go to the Blue
Sky version of whatever political reality that I want to
be in. And because the moderation's better, they're interacting less

(38:52):
with the posts that are like reminding them of like
how terrible the campaign was and how it failed, and
you can sort of surround yourself with like other.

Speaker 1 (39:00):
People been like, oh, I mean the Dems did pretty
good man, for like you think about it with the
Chenese great idea.

Speaker 2 (39:10):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, but I mean like yeah, for me,
I think the one good thing is like it does
feel like if the people I talk to are who
they are and it's moderated. But again that's a slippery
slope because you excel you we look like a couple
of years down the line, and inevitably it's going to
have the same problems Twitter did.

Speaker 1 (39:26):
Yeah, quite, it is.

Speaker 5 (39:28):
It is like it does feel better, like I like
as opposed to Twitter. It certainly does feel better not
having like the blue checks, not having all the gimmick posts,
not having as much AI slop, and not having to
deal with again just millions of little fucking hitlers running around.
But I mean, I don't know, I don't know how

(39:50):
happy I should really be about that, Like, I don't know, Like,
and also it's very concerning that like Twitter like one,
Like it's very concerning that, like Elon Musk, like his
like whole gambit like that he didn't even want to
do to begin with that. He tried to wriggle his
way out of that. It eventually worked. He turned it

(40:10):
into a right wing media sphere. And I mean, I
can't I'm not going to confidently say like that like
swung the election in any way, but like it worked,
you know, like it like all these other things like
true social parlor, all those like conservative things didn't work.
But buying Twitter and transforming it in the way that

(40:32):
he did obviously had some kind of like net benefit.

Speaker 1 (40:37):
And that is a bit concerning. Like yeah, who's to.

Speaker 5 (40:40):
Say, like I don't know, someone else doesn't come along
and do this to Facebook meta like Instagram, Like I
don't know, China, please hold on to TikTok.

Speaker 1 (40:51):
We need you, President G. I'm still in line to
vote for President G. Stay in life line. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (41:02):
I feel like the tech billionaires might do it themselves.
They might do it for like Mark Zuckerberg might not need.

Speaker 1 (41:07):
To sell exactly. That's what I'm saying. What it seems
to just be. Damnit's actually pretty cool.

Speaker 2 (41:15):
He's just doing it so he can keep putting up
his SoundCloud wrap tracks with t paint.

Speaker 1 (41:19):
That's all like Zuckerberg's does.

Speaker 2 (41:22):
Thanks be like, I don't want to do all that
fast ship dude. I just kind of want to wear
chains and kind of let y'all know. I'm I kind
of low key wish I wish I was a black
guy in college.

Speaker 5 (41:34):
Sad is it that we were supposed to get the
like Elon Mark Zuckerberg fight that would have actually been
like kind of fun and entertaining.

Speaker 1 (41:42):
To Jake Paul Mike Tyson fight. It's not too late, though.

Speaker 2 (41:46):
We are just in like open oligarchy now, So I
think like maybe we're we as the you know, HOI POLLOI.

Speaker 1 (41:52):
We can we can maybe motivate them to fight each
other to prove to us who we should follow.

Speaker 3 (41:57):
What happens to feel like Trump's version of Putin's oligarchy
would be instead of like, God damn, these people have
the slipperiest balconies at their uh at, they keep falling
the fuck out, he would just have them like fight
to the death for his entertainment and the octagon.

Speaker 8 (42:19):
You know.

Speaker 1 (42:20):
It's kind of on Netflix Gladiator glad Jator. Yes, gladiator.
So all right, let's take another break. We're gonna come
back and we will hit a couple of news stories.
We'll be right back and we're back.

Speaker 3 (42:41):
We're back, and we're back, and we are back, and
we just like to check in with the Democrats, see
what lessons they are learning.

Speaker 1 (42:50):
I it's not been good. They well, the thing is
they're cheating because they all get to be on TV.

Speaker 2 (42:59):
Because they on the TV, so then they're able to
get all their bad takes off on TV, and then
the Washington Posts and in the New York Times and
all the other corporate captured media outlets, so we get
the same bad lessons over and over. You know, there
there was a you know, obviously, Bernie Sanders has been
continuing to say like, hey, it's like regular working people
that like need help and like just give it.

Speaker 1 (43:21):
Give help in a direct way, not to be like,
what's that guy's fucking problem? I say, can we all agree?
I mean this deal?

Speaker 2 (43:29):
Well, so then you have people like Dean Phillips who
tried to you know, eventually challenge the you know, Biden run.
But anyway, he said, quote, our product is not the
real problem. Our packaging, our messengers and our distribution is
a real problem.

Speaker 1 (43:44):
Oh, it's not the products, not the product of the product.

Speaker 2 (43:46):
Then I missed this, but on CNN right after the election,
like a week after the election, Harris's former comms director
basically did like the thing where they became like this
sentient like a sentient coconut twitter tweet and then talked
out loud on the television. This was his idea for
what Joe Biden needs to do next, and it's shucking cool.

Speaker 1 (44:13):
Looking for That is my question. I'll start with you.

Speaker 8 (44:15):
Joe Biden has been a phenomenal president. He's lived up
to so many of the promises he's made.

Speaker 1 (44:18):
Is one promise, Phil, Why is this dude talking like
a fucking like an auctioneer the gas Yeah, debate club
type thing. Yeah, let me hit you out with some bullshit.
Next here, I'll let Jamal Simmons continue.

Speaker 8 (44:39):
Give for Phil being a transitional figure. He could resign
the presidency in the next thirty days. Make Kamala Harris
the president of the United States. Give it absolved from
being able to from having to oversee the January sixth
transition right of her of her own defeat and it
would make sure that it would dominate the news at
a point where Democrats have to learn drama. What I

(45:03):
want to see is the time, this is the moment
for us to change the entire perspective.

Speaker 2 (45:08):
Of how democrats And this is now jumped from an
internet name to a Sunday morning.

Speaker 5 (45:14):
It's very it's very interesting that, like I thought, the
whole time, it was like the Democrats are the adults
in the room. The Democrats are like returning to sanity.
And now it's like we need caddy bitchiness. We need
we need the soap opera, Like I mean, we need.

Speaker 1 (45:30):
To copy the fascist homework.

Speaker 4 (45:32):
Yeah, what, I agree that we need to change the
strategy obviously, but drama is not. We don't need House
of Cards. We need to be playing the same sort
of dirty games that Republicans are playing, just like when it.

Speaker 2 (45:45):
Gets you nothing, Yes, gets you nothing, But it's drama jack,
And that's what the Democrats need.

Speaker 1 (45:52):
It's not to fight the status quo in public.

Speaker 2 (45:55):
It's to then just create side shows that distract people
from class war and.

Speaker 1 (45:59):
Then and then we'll be okay.

Speaker 5 (46:02):
I'll say, if we could have like a leftist version
of like Marjorie Taylor Green, who just like is always
like instigating shit, like shit, I don't know that'd be interesting,
like Marjorie Taylor Green like correct, like I meanly like
spitting stuff. That's always like because Marjorie Taylor Green is
like she's always in the news because she's always saying

(46:24):
crazy provocative shit like I don't know, breaking rules. But yeah,
the thing about the Democrats is they're not gonna have
anyone that's gonna say any crazy provocative shit because their
platform isn't provocative, it's boring.

Speaker 1 (46:38):
It would have to be somebody on the left.

Speaker 4 (46:41):
Even when Sarah McBride, you know, gets banned from using
the restroom at the Capitol, her her response is just
to be spineless. And I say, oh, well, we're just
gonna We're just gonna, you know, I'm just gonna do
what they say, and you know whatever. It's like, girl,
you are making thirty five thousand, which is not even

(47:01):
that much from APAC. Let them pay the fines. Is
it not fines that you receive for breaking rules at
the Capitol, Because Marjorie Taylor Green was getting like two
thousand dollars fines like every day for not wearing a
mask when the mask mandate was put in place.

Speaker 5 (47:17):
It's like, right, conservatives is generally have more money though,
like they like that. Well yeah, that was a nice
weave into that topic. By the way, Well this is
the thing, right along with all of the stuff that
you're like, what are they learning? You still keep the
people are referencing this poll that came out from these
this democratic consulting firm called Blueprint, where they're like, look,

(47:40):
we did an exit we did we did some really
thorough polling with swing state voters, and what we found is, quote,
their top reason for not choosing Harris was a perception
that she was quote focused more on cultural issues like
transgender issues rather than helping the middle class. Again, it
was the Republicans that ran on this, and if anything,
the Democrats did a pretty decent job of pretending like
they never.

Speaker 1 (47:58):
Heard of trans gender people during the campaign.

Speaker 2 (48:02):
So it's like, what is the lesson there, because it's
not that the Democrats did this, but this is why
now reflexibly, Democrats are like.

Speaker 1 (48:08):
Well, we don't want to get pulled into a culture
war here that like, and then they're just gonna make
it all about this.

Speaker 2 (48:13):
It's like it's not a culture war thing. We're talking
about rights. And if you talk about it and defend
it as rights, if you're you're there, it's hard for
I mean, they'll continue to attack, but you don't have
to fear what what the what the reaction is going
to be if you're actually steadfasted and believing like no,
this has to be defended.

Speaker 5 (48:30):
Andy Bushier is like a democratic governor of Kentucky and
he won on a protrans ticket by being like, no,
they're they're all children of God, and I love them
and they're my constituents and I'm a fight for them
just like I'll fight for anyone.

Speaker 1 (48:42):
It's like boom easy is that? Like what are you
gonna do get them to say? Like they're not God's children,
like they're they're not people like and as.

Speaker 5 (48:50):
Far as they're Sarah fucking as far as Sarah McBride
is concerned, Like if like you can't fight for like
your own, like, how are you gonna fight for anyone else?
Like if I am a trans constituent of that I
voted for like a trans person and like to be
in Congress, and you're immediately like can't even like stick

(49:11):
up for me?

Speaker 1 (49:12):
Like a little bit like the bathroom that's absurd, Like
I'm not fucking voting for you. Again.

Speaker 2 (49:17):
I've seen a lot of people defend this by saying
people need to stop attacking Sarah McBride and need to
be focusing more on Nancy Mace or that, like she's
not she's actually not caving, she's picking her battles.

Speaker 1 (49:30):
But I also I'm like, I don't know, like I
don't know where the anger goes to.

Speaker 2 (49:33):
I think there should definitely go to other members of
the Democratic Party in the House, for the very least,
not sticking up for someone that is in their party
and is on the other end of bullying. But yeah,
I totally get though too, to sort of kind of
take it, because the one takeaway you see sort of
is the mainstreaming of this has been don't let the
Republicans then pull us into another battle over transgender rights,

(49:56):
and that's the thing we want to avoid.

Speaker 1 (49:58):
If I was that's not the lesson again.

Speaker 5 (50:01):
If I was Sarah McBride, I would just be like,
why are we talking about where I'm peeing? Like are
you fucking kidding me right now? Like that, like there's
so much like immediately just pivot immediately, just pivot to
every other single issue in the world that matters way
more to people than where a congresswoman is peeing in

(50:22):
the floors of Congress. That is absolutely ridiculous, And this
has been happening.

Speaker 2 (50:28):
She's not the only she's not the first transgender person
who's a bathroom in the capitol, right, yeah, real here, So.

Speaker 1 (50:34):
Like it's there were some on January sixth, I had
to use the bathroom.

Speaker 5 (50:38):
Man, Oh I'm sure, yeah, yeah, So there were some
that used that there was trans people in Nancy Pelosi's office,
so taking beeing a carpet.

Speaker 2 (50:47):
When you look at this all though, too, it's like
there was enough. There was an op beed in the
Washington Post that was saying that the basically the crux
of it was Biden needs to pardon Trump so America
can like fully heel and unify. This came out on Monday,
and then you have other people. I saw there's like
another section where one of these opinion writers or like

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media reporters at the Washington Post as like like AMA
basically with commentators, and this person got so upset when
a reader asked, like what's going on, Like, you know,
the The Washington Post feels like it's just employing quote
GOP enablers and apologists.

Speaker 1 (51:23):
And this guy goes off like I.

Speaker 2 (51:25):
Completely disagree with that characterization of what's happening with the
Washington Post.

Speaker 4 (51:28):
It's like the meme of the CIA agent like typing
up like, right, Joe Biden needs to pardon Trump, so the.

Speaker 3 (51:36):
Okay, But see, these are conversations that we could not
be having if he would just step down, bring Kamala in.

Speaker 1 (51:45):
Everybody be like whoa, and then we'd stop talking about
how they just fucked up that election. And I don't
think that is a funny idea.

Speaker 3 (51:53):
It really feels like that is the most kind of
straightforward illustration I've seen yet of them just being like, well,
why don't we be talking about anything except for what
we just did and how we just ran that campaign?
What about if we were talking about this, right, you.

Speaker 1 (52:15):
Know what else?

Speaker 5 (52:16):
This crazy little story from this week. I didn't like
watch it, but there was like the interview with Bill Clinton,
and it's like, I mean, I know Clinton like won
some elections. I want to get to other things about him,
but like it's just weird to me, how like all
of these people like like CNN, like Dana Bash will
be like interviewing people who have like never won anything

(52:38):
in their lives and they get on there and they're like, well,
here's what the Democrats need to do to win.

Speaker 1 (52:42):
It's like, yeah, this is what do we say? And
also like.

Speaker 5 (52:46):
It's truly crazy to me how like they could have
like hit Trump on like I don't know, being like
friends with like Epstein or something, but they can't know
when they're bringing They're wheeling Bill Clinton out everywhere to
like like talk to him.

Speaker 2 (53:00):
And then like shape pro Palestinians like activists too at
the same time.

Speaker 1 (53:04):
Oh yeah, thats and.

Speaker 4 (53:06):
Some merch with I'm speaking on it.

Speaker 1 (53:09):
The other thing. The other thing too is she lost
to the working class.

Speaker 4 (53:13):
And you know, even Bill Clinton had a great appeal
to the working class that she didn't have. And I
think it's like due to this like old style of
like well let's have Beyonce, you know, let's pay Oprah,
let's pay like all these queen.

Speaker 1 (53:28):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (53:31):
No, there was like don't I forgot who said it,
But there was like someone on like CNN or something
who was like, I don't know how we lost this.
She had a great campaign Queen Latifa never endorses anyone,
and Queen Latifa endorsed Comalu.

Speaker 2 (53:45):
Because it's such a flattening of like marginalized people and
working people where it's just like, I don't know, like
if we get a drag queen, that's an LGBTQ vote locked, Okay,
do we get Queen Latifa that's black women vote locked?

Speaker 1 (53:58):
Can we get out know Bob the builder? Than great,
that's the blue collar vote, construction worker vote.

Speaker 3 (54:04):
Reading all those abstractions instead of as people who because
it's voting and know exactly what the fuck you're doing.

Speaker 1 (54:11):
Because you hear it.

Speaker 2 (54:12):
Like there have been other uh, like Congress people have
been like, you know, we just got to listen to more.
There are so many people who you know, on the
streets telling us that we got to really be talking
to the people on the streets here and what they're
going to. It's like the fact that you're seeing this
now you're like, WHOA, I guess, I guess there's people
who actually know these quote unquote working people we always

(54:32):
talk about as like a fantasy person. They're saying, we're
all we're way off. That's weird, because I swear to
God I used to work at McDonald's like forty seven
years ago, right, but we stop work at McDonald's just
a few months ago, So yeah, thank you.

Speaker 4 (54:47):
And apparently there's a lot of people that thought that, Like,
you know, a lot of people voted for Trump because
they thought there was going to be more stimulus checks
even just the optics of that, like why not, I
don't know, why not just be like, there ain't gonna
be anymore stuf melas checks, y'all vote for Kamala yea.

Speaker 2 (55:02):
Like they're lying because they want us to think. I mean,
this is how like I think so many people are.
They were you know, kind of trained through their media
diet to either believe it or not or be like
well who's paying for it or some version of that,
to never be like, oh, that could be good for everyone.

Speaker 5 (55:17):
Yeah, it took me like when they first did like
the whole switcheroo, and there was like a lot of
momentum and things were like actually like looking kind of
good for like the first time.

Speaker 1 (55:29):
Yeah, things were looking pretty.

Speaker 5 (55:31):
They're looking pretty in her favor, And it took me
a while to kind of like pinpoint like what they
were doing because like after like the DNC was like
when they really started like right wing pivoting, you know,
talking about like immigrations, sounding like Republicans exactly.

Speaker 4 (55:48):
The most lethal military in the in the world.

Speaker 1 (55:51):
Yeah, oh my god. Yeah yeah.

Speaker 5 (55:53):
If yeah, if trans people are out loud out of existence,
I would follow with the law like stuff like that.

Speaker 1 (55:58):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (55:59):
I feel like the I I feel like there was
more strategy there than I realized, like I thought. I mean, one,
I do think it is principled. I do think they
are a right wing leaning party. But two, I think
that the calculus was like the Democrats are there, like
the people that all saw January sixth happen, They're not

(56:21):
going to vote for Trump. All the people that voted
Biden are going to vote for Kamala and then some
because like it's just it, they just will like it's
it's a lot. So they didn't need to do any
type or they felt they didn't need to do any
type of left.

Speaker 1 (56:37):
Word populous like capitulating.

Speaker 5 (56:40):
Yeah, that's why they started like employing all these like
Republican tactics, being like, well, maybe we can poach off
some of these Republican voters. And just like every single
other time Democrats have ever fucking tried to do.

Speaker 1 (56:54):
This every single time, it didn't work. Those exist and
those Republican voters don't exit.

Speaker 5 (57:00):
There was maybe and honestly, like looking back, what Trump
said was legitimately a lot smarter because his popularity had
also reached a ceiling. There's no one who like everyone
has made up their mind on Trump like ten years ago,
and the only people conceivably who would like be turned

(57:20):
to vote for him is young people that listen to
fuck that watched like Aiden Ross and don't really remember
what twenty sixteen was like because they were watching Cocoa Melon. Yeah,
and now like and I remember thinking at the time, like,
I don't know if this will pay off. I don't
know if these people will actually go out and vote,
And they fucking did because like Kamala did not have

(57:43):
like she had people she could have gained that she
assumed were already in the bag, and Trump had people
to gain that were easily swayable, and he went for
the people that were easily slayable and they were easily swayed, Like, yeah,
she needed to do it for the people who were
easily slayable.

Speaker 1 (58:00):
Thank you.

Speaker 8 (58:02):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (58:03):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (58:04):
The Rogan thing, I mean I feel like it gets
it also ties into the central problem that I feel
like her campaign had, which was that it it just
seemed like they were saying whatever they needed to in
the moment. They had no there was no there there.
They were just saying whatever they needed to say in

(58:24):
the moment. And she wasn't going to go on a
like full long interview no matter how, whether it be
with somebody who believes in dragons or not. And like,
you know, she she just had to be guarded in
that way. And I think that's like ultimating a.

Speaker 1 (58:41):
Terrible advice from her inner circle. You know, your brother
in law is like has the uber boot down their throat.
They're like, don't piss off the companies.

Speaker 3 (58:50):
Right.

Speaker 4 (58:50):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (58:50):
I don't know if her going on Rogan would have helped,
but I do think if Tim Wallas went on Rogan
it would have helped.

Speaker 1 (58:56):
Yeah. I think I think he would have been a
much better life.

Speaker 4 (58:58):
I mean, she went on Call Call her Daddy. I
spent like how much on the set alone, And.

Speaker 5 (59:05):
It's just like at the views on that, it is bad,
Like not a lot of people have watched that, Like no,
like way more people watch, Like especially if you take cumulatively,
like Trump going on like Aiden Ross the Milk Boys,
fucking Joe Rogan, like uh Logan Paul's podcast, Like if you.

Speaker 1 (59:24):
Take all of that, that's a lot of you, that's
a lot of content.

Speaker 5 (59:29):
Like that's a lot of fucking people he's reaching and yeah,
call her daddy just does not have the juice like that.

Speaker 1 (59:37):
It's crazy.

Speaker 5 (59:38):
And I don't I don't think if she went on
Rogan it would have been I don't think that would
have moved the needle because.

Speaker 2 (59:43):
Would have helped because I want Yeah, that's not that's
not where that's not where you're gonna find your gains.
Like to your point, Janey, the calculus was, we're we've
definitely are going to turn off progressives and people to
the left of the party, but we can we can
wake up for that by like really digging into the
status quote and then appealing to like these nicky Hayley

(01:00:03):
fucking mystery voters. And they thought there was so much
never Trumper stuff that those are the people that were
on the table. They were not, And it was all again,
it's because your your product is fundamentally flawed for the
era that we're in, which is so many people are suffering,
and all you did was make it seem like you
were there for the status quo and that's all.

Speaker 1 (01:00:24):
Like that the perception of that was so damaging. Yeah,
and yeah, I would.

Speaker 5 (01:00:29):
Be like even just the littlest bit charitable. I would
say that one thing I kind of do understand. I
don't care if this fixies sound like a lip is
like January sixth, like that is crazy that he did that,
and one like it really is crazy that like he
fucking did that shit and then won the next selection like.

Speaker 4 (01:00:50):
The and then Biden is welcoming him in the opal
often I like hanging.

Speaker 5 (01:00:53):
Out like it is crazy to me that like that
was not an instantly disqualifying event for so many people.
But I think the fact that it's not an instantly
disqualifying thing for so many people is way more indicative
of the Democratic Party and their messaging and how much

(01:01:15):
they totally fucking suck and drop the ball than it
is on But.

Speaker 2 (01:01:19):
They they spent so many months telling working people how
stupid they are because they didn't realize how good the
economy is, like they wasted so much oxygen tum like
they got to know how good it comes, Like no
it's not dude, you're you're not your Your metrics are
so weird. It's good for people who own stock, it's
not for good not good for people who are on wages.

Speaker 1 (01:01:37):
And that's the thing you're not anyway.

Speaker 2 (01:01:39):
So we'll see now though, well we'll see where where
the toilet bowl takes us.

Speaker 1 (01:01:44):
But feel like they're.

Speaker 3 (01:01:47):
They still got a good answer come in. It's just
they're a little confused right now. They've been spun around
by the election. They're gonna come out and not not
look like they just played spinny bet uh. Carmen Janey,
what having both of you as always on the daily?
Where can people find you?

Speaker 1 (01:02:06):
Guys? Follow you all that good stuff.

Speaker 4 (01:02:08):
I am on Instagram at the Carmen Laurent and I
have a podcast called Diva Down Podcast. We rebranded from
the last time I was on here. Janie's going to
be my guest on Thursday, so tune in to hear
Janie talk about how she was canceled by the amateur
wrestling community.

Speaker 1 (01:02:28):
It's a tail it's a tail on to your seat
for that one. Yeah, and that's it for me. What
about you, Jane?

Speaker 5 (01:02:35):
You can find me on Twitter and Blue Sky at
Wife Sucker and you can find me on Instagram at
Janey Underscore Danger. Also Janie Danger dot com. If you
want to look at some like merch and like other
ship there.

Speaker 1 (01:02:49):
She's got some really cute merch. Thank you.

Speaker 4 (01:02:51):
Uh.

Speaker 5 (01:02:52):
And most importantly, if I have any listeners in the
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Speaker 1 (01:03:30):
Music Janie Danger, Jay and I Danger Danger. Is there
worka media you'll enjoying?

Speaker 4 (01:03:38):
Oh my god, Well, I heard y'all already talked about it,
but it's the only thing I've been thinking about for
a week now. It's the interview with Tracy Gilchrist of
Out magazine and fucking Ariana Grande and Cynthia Arrivo. That
is just like you know I heard I've lately I've

(01:04:00):
been seeing on social media, I like, have it memorized
by now you can do the whole TikTok like mouth
like really with the computer in front of you. Yeah,
people on social media have really been taken the lyrics
from defying gravity and really holding space with that, and
like Cynthia Revo is just like, oh my god, Wow,

(01:04:20):
I didn't know that, like as it like as if
holding space what that means?

Speaker 5 (01:04:26):
Really, yeah, I know what it's so I know what
holding space means, and like, for lack of a better word,
like woke terminology, I don't understand how it fits in
this like I don't know. I guess I've been really
I've been really holding space for the lyrics of Sister
Fucker Part.

Speaker 1 (01:04:44):
One by I Hate God.

Speaker 5 (01:04:47):
I've been really holding space for the lyrics and cheerleader
corpses by Pig Destroyer, Like.

Speaker 1 (01:04:54):
I I don't know what that means. It is so
just my good uncanny exactly what I.

Speaker 3 (01:05:01):
Was hoping you would be doing, exactly what I wanted.

Speaker 4 (01:05:04):
And then Ariana Grande trying to manipulate Cynthia Revo into
crying for the nine hundredth time on this press tour
by grabbing her finger. She's like trying to grab her
hand and just gets a finger. Yeah, I'm just like,
I'm like Ariana Grande, everybody needs to eat a meal
and be institutionalized because they look like they.

Speaker 5 (01:05:24):
Are at least put her in a dress that's like flattering,
like she looks the dress is so big.

Speaker 1 (01:05:30):
She looks like David Byrne like, well, Cynthia hat is
so big. I was like, what is the hat? I
don't know. It's just very it's all. It's all, and
talk about stop making sense.

Speaker 5 (01:05:41):
I did none of that, Like none of themedia.

Speaker 1 (01:05:48):
You've been enjoying. I really liked the movie and Noor,
directed by Sean Baker.

Speaker 4 (01:05:54):
Some of that Erica Jane's song about her her wet,
drippy pussy. Yeah, there's a there's a Slater needle drop
in it.

Speaker 1 (01:06:02):
That's cool. There's a there's a we usually read like
a tweet or something.

Speaker 5 (01:06:08):
There was one I saw yesterday that was like a
British guy taking off my bra and being like, so,
what's all this what's all this there?

Speaker 1 (01:06:18):
What's that?

Speaker 8 (01:06:20):
I like that?

Speaker 1 (01:06:21):
But yeah, I'm with Carmen that video of yeah, the
Wicked Tour.

Speaker 4 (01:06:26):
I don't know, but I'm in queer media, so that's
my you.

Speaker 5 (01:06:28):
Know, Yeah, we are as people in queer media. I
guess I guess we do understand this on it. I
guess we have been holding space for queer media in
a different way. And thank you all for holding space
for us. Yes, thank you for holding space for us.

Speaker 1 (01:06:42):
I didn't know that happening, and that's amazing. I didn't
know that was happening and what I wanted. Thank you,
thank you. We didn't want to tell you like this,
but now you know.

Speaker 3 (01:06:51):
Yeah, I started, Where can people find you as their
work of media you've been enjoying?

Speaker 1 (01:06:57):
Yeah, find me everywhere but blue Sky still miles of gray.
Everywhere is miles of gray. Fine.

Speaker 2 (01:07:02):
Jack and I on the basketball podcastles Jack Got Mad
boost here still tuned into the game of the week.
We told you a lot's just forget about that one.

Speaker 1 (01:07:10):
We didn't.

Speaker 2 (01:07:11):
It didn't go according to I was talking to Adam Silver,
I said, hey, the Lakers had to win that one.

Speaker 1 (01:07:15):
What the heck was going on?

Speaker 2 (01:07:16):
Didn't go on anyway and also find me talking on
four to twenty day fiance A couple skeets I like
first one at the Internet Hippo or at Internet Hippo tweeted,
we don't do Thanksgiving at our house because it encourages dependency.

Speaker 1 (01:07:31):
Here it's thanks earning, thank you.

Speaker 3 (01:07:34):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (01:07:34):
And then Sarah saw blah s A b l a
a h dot b sky do social said, we got
a bigger bed so our dog would take up less
of it, but it was futile. He has adapted, finding
ways to make himself larger and longer.

Speaker 1 (01:07:49):
In the night. And that's just yeah, right hat fun,
that's real. These pets in the fucking bed, man, get
them the fuck. No, I gotta have my dog in
my bed.

Speaker 4 (01:07:57):
They told me before surgery not to have my pets
from the I laughed and I said, yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:08:05):
You can find me on Twitter at Jack underscore o
Brian on Blue Sky at jack Ob one jaber one
Ob number one.

Speaker 1 (01:08:15):
Jacob one is what it looks like, because that's bad
legendary New York City tagger Jacob Jacob. I like the
Wicked video. I still that that is the only I
I could lie.

Speaker 3 (01:08:28):
I could name uh, tweet a skeet, But the only
social media clip that is a that I'm holding space
for is the Wicked clip.

Speaker 1 (01:08:39):
You can find us on Twitter at daily Zeitgeist. We're
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We have a Facebook fan page and a website Daily
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foot no no We link off to the information that
we talked about in today's episode, as well as a
song that we think you might enjoy.

Speaker 1 (01:08:56):
Miles, what song do you think people might enjoy?

Speaker 2 (01:09:00):
I've just been listening to more of that artist, Nila
fair Yanya, and last week we went on the track,
Like I say, there's another track from this album called
My method Actor.

Speaker 1 (01:09:10):
The track is called.

Speaker 2 (01:09:10):
Mutations and a I just love like as an I
like when like artists are really you can tell they
give a fuck about the rhythm section and the drumming
on their album, because this is like one of those
it's it's it's intricate a little, it's a little, you know,
more intricate than like straightforward kind of four and the
four shit. So this is Mutations by Nila fair Yanya
n I l u f e r a y A

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n y a.

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U get it, Get it.

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Bye bye, bye bye