Literally The Weirdest Guys (with Molly Conger) 08.20.24

In episode 1728, Jack and Miles are joined by host of Weird Little Guys, Molly Conger, to discuss…  The Democratic Presidential Campaign's Focus On Weird Little Guys, Demystifying Their Backstories, False Flag Conspiracy Theories and more!

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:05):
I have to, like, I have to turn all the
way off, and I tell my partner, like, I don't
want to watch a movie that's smart. I don't want
to watch a movie that is challenging or difficult for me.

Speaker 2 (00:13):
I got a good one for you, The Union, starring
Mark Wahlberg and Halle Berry.

Speaker 1 (00:19):
Oh, America's greatest actor, Mark Wahlberg.

Speaker 2 (00:21):
Yeah, America's greatest patriot, America's greatest actor. Would have gone
down a lot different if he had been there for
literally any of the horrible attacks in American history.

Speaker 1 (00:32):
Yeah, I should I should include some alternate histories of
the terrorist events in my show where Mark Wahlberg stopped.

Speaker 3 (00:38):
Them Pearl Harbor.

Speaker 2 (00:39):
That sh would have gone down a lot different if
I had been there, Bro.

Speaker 3 (00:42):
I would have told, Hey, keep your head on a swibble, Bro,
keep your head on a swibble. Bro. I think literally
they're sending it. They're sending messages that they're gonna attack Bro.

Speaker 1 (00:49):
But anyway, Yeah, if Mark Wahlberg had been in the
radio tower, he would have said something, yeah.

Speaker 2 (00:55):
Yeah, absolutely clear, eyes, warm heart, Hello the Internet, and
welcome to season three point fifty one, episode two.

Speaker 4 (01:07):
Of Dr Day's iisting production of iHeartRadio. This is a
podcast where we take a deep dive into America's shared consciousness.
And it is Tuesday, August twentieth, twenty four eight.

Speaker 3 (01:22):
Twenty two four mm hmm, which means National Accessible Air
Travel Day, is National Chocolate pecan pie Day, National radio Day.
Don't care about that because this is podcasting. Yeah, and
that's it for today. Just three three things, just the
three menu.

Speaker 2 (01:38):
Damn, just three on the menu down out here, and
pick can pie?

Speaker 3 (01:42):
You a fan? Oh yeah? Oh fuck yeah, even not
even in a pie like in like the roasted in
a bag. I could fucking dust a bag fucking seconds straight.
It's just something so delicious about it.

Speaker 5 (01:54):
I think.

Speaker 3 (01:55):
Are they like greasy? Is that why? Yeah, they got
a little greasy. Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah yeah.

Speaker 2 (02:00):
I didn't fuck with them before, but yeah now I'm
a I'm up the cam bitch for sure.

Speaker 3 (02:04):
Okay.

Speaker 2 (02:05):
My name is Jack O'Brien aka the the cam Bitch
aka sit in on the trash, eating garbage, ripping them
crows into in the half with my mind on a
murderer and a murder on my mind. That is courtesy
of m P L M D nine seven four four

(02:26):
six seven of course that's just going off off the dome.
I just that name, I just sticks in my brain.

Speaker 3 (02:33):
MP. Yeah, well, I don't know.

Speaker 2 (02:39):
I'm always worried that I'm like mispronouncing or like missing
something in the screen name, Like is m P L
M D? Is that like maple doctor or something? You know,
like is ninety seven four four sixty seven like some
code that I should know?

Speaker 3 (02:55):
Yeah, I don't know, wow? Or nine what happened September seventh,
thineteen forty four? There's so many ways to break that down.

Speaker 2 (03:03):
September forty four through nineteen sixty seven.

Speaker 3 (03:06):
Yeah seven, yeah, yeah, my golden era.

Speaker 1 (03:11):
It's the last six of his social that's yeah.

Speaker 2 (03:14):
Which, yeah, that shit doesn't matter anymore, every single one
of them. So we can stop fucking worrying. I'm just
gonna go go ahead and say mine right now.

Speaker 3 (03:25):
Yeah, so yeah, I think a couple episodes back.

Speaker 5 (03:29):
Did you?

Speaker 2 (03:30):
Yeah, you're brave, brave, don't.

Speaker 1 (03:33):
Give I see them unredacted in court documents all the time.
They're not careful.

Speaker 3 (03:37):
Yeah right, that's wow. They're just like, yeah, it doesn't anymore.

Speaker 2 (03:43):
Whatever, Like we have to build a new system. We
haven't done it yet, but that we need to build
a new system because everything is for free on the
internet everywhere. Well, speaking of for free on the internet,
I'm thrilled to be joined as always by my co
host mister Miles Gray.

Speaker 6 (04:00):
Yes he's back, the bee boy champion of North Hollywood
who missed my flight to Paris for the Olympics, the
original bee Boy Gray Gun in the building.

Speaker 3 (04:11):
Thank you so much for having me. Uh you know,
a lot of my moves were premiered in ray Gun's
actual breakdancing battle set, inspired that one, the human scissor,
the rub my head on the ground like a mop.
These are awesome seminoles. I know so specifically too, the

(04:32):
she really did. I was like, get that ray Gun,
go ahead, go ahead, make a mockery of it.

Speaker 1 (04:38):
The organ Zoo had a great TikTok sound like my mother.
I saw a lovely TikTok that you would enjoy. But
the organ Zoo took Zoo clips of her Olympic breakdancing performance,
and so obviously she did the kangaroo move, but they
took each move from the performance and showed a kangaroo
doing a very similar operation wow, and just sort of

(04:59):
cut them together back and forth like Raygun the kangaroo.
Raygun the kangaroo is beautiful. I would give the kangaroo
a ten out of ten.

Speaker 2 (05:06):
I like the end of usual Suspects where it's all
coming together and ray Gun was like cooling things, but
it was all just from kangaroos.

Speaker 1 (05:14):
I mean he thinks about it. Should she should get
extra points for it being you know, Australian nationalism.

Speaker 3 (05:19):
Yeah, yeah, absolutely, Like, oh, my moves are mark I
do Marsupial based movements and I think that's what people
need to look at through that lens and analyze my
dancing from there.

Speaker 1 (05:28):
About the culture of break dancing, it's unique to the
to the area where the dancing is occurring. So in Australia,
just kangaroo moves.

Speaker 3 (05:35):
That's exactly.

Speaker 1 (05:36):
That's like, is a culturally bound Yeah, right right.

Speaker 2 (05:41):
You would think so the break dancing community has come
together to be like, leave ray Gun alone. The kangaroo community,
on the other hand, are like, she's making us look
fucking stupid.

Speaker 3 (05:53):
Drag her. Yeah, so exactly.

Speaker 1 (05:55):
You don't want to fuck with the kangaroo.

Speaker 3 (05:57):
That's a different KHive on Twitter. You don't want to have.

Speaker 2 (06:00):
Ever seen them trying to drown another animal.

Speaker 3 (06:03):
Yeah, but then you also see those videos are like
in a they're like they're trying to fuck with a dog,
and then they're like adult like human comes around, like
just pushes them over and like the fuck out of here, kangaroo.
And I always thought they could. I mean, I hear
you don't want to fight them, but cartoons have conditioned
me to believe you do not want to box one
of these motherfuckers.

Speaker 2 (06:20):
Ever, watch out for the kicks because they've got rid
of toenails like me, like me, exactly, Miles. We are
thrilled to be joined in our third seats by a
journalist who's been published in plays like The Guardian Enslaved.
You probably already follow her on Twitter at Socialist dog
Mom for her in depth investigative work on white supremacist,

(06:43):
neo Nazis and hate groups in the US. Her new
podcast for cool Zone is Weird Little Guys, Please welcome.

Speaker 1 (06:51):
Molly can't glad to be here.

Speaker 3 (06:56):
Yes, it was weird to do that when we were
just talking, so let's well pretend I didn't just scream
my way, but anyway, what's up? Thank you for joining us. Yeah,
I'm pumped about it.

Speaker 2 (07:06):
The show is so good. Weird little guys. Well, yeah,
well we're gonna get into it. That the timing, Like
I'm just curious to hear how it felt as the
entire Democratic Party kind of coalesced around the messaging of
like what if we called these guys weird? Like as
your podcast is about to come out basically making that point.

Speaker 1 (07:30):
I mean like cynically, that's marketing you couldn't engineer, right,
that's the SEO on that is beautiful. But at the
same time, like you know, people are like, oh, you're
just aping democratic messaging. It's like I don't. First of all,
this is this is my first job in you know,
in audio media. But so maybe people don't know. But
the production cycle on this show, like if we could
turn around a whole show from the day Tim Waltz

(07:52):
called him weird, Like the trailer came out like two
days later, Like do you think, right, do you think
the art department mocked us up yesterday?

Speaker 3 (08:00):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (08:00):
Yeah, it's like take like two three hours is about here.

Speaker 3 (08:04):
And nobody could have thought of like that way to
describe these weird dudes.

Speaker 1 (08:09):
Like now I have been saying that for literal years
and that's that's why the show's called that, right, He's
like in a meeting months ago, I was, you know,
we're sort of talking about production of the show. Is
like a regular like work business meeting, and I just
can't help myself. I'm always looking at a weird little guy.
So I'm you know, interjecting, you know, how is everybody's
day going whatever he's doing, And I'm like, you, guys,
I just found the weirdest little guy. And so if

(08:30):
you wrote it down her little notebook, and that's why
it's the name of the show.

Speaker 3 (08:32):
Because like I always like, yeah, yeah, the only way
to only way to describe it, only way to describe
it amazing.

Speaker 2 (08:39):
All right, We're going to get into the show, the
weird little guys, all of it, but first we do
like to get to know you a little bit better
by asking you questions such as, Molly Conger, what is
something from your search history that is revealing about who
you are besides your Social Security number?

Speaker 1 (08:56):
Yeah, so my search history is sort of a land
of troubling contrasts, right, Like, So, in the course of
writing my show and doing my research in my day
to day work, the things I'm googling are disgusting and
upsetting and weird, like you know, like this week, I've
been googling a lot about like the Rhodesian Bush War
and like war crimes in colonial Africa. That's not fun,

(09:18):
that's not about me. Spoiler for this week's episode of
the show. I had to look at a lot of
websites about like a particular genre of like really degrading
an abusive fetish porn that was for work, let's be clear, right.

Speaker 5 (09:33):
But.

Speaker 1 (09:34):
Oh god, this one's grows. I threw up, like threw up.

Speaker 3 (09:38):
Wow, Oh God? Does that are you?

Speaker 2 (09:41):
Is that usual? Is this the first that has made
you throw?

Speaker 5 (09:46):
It? Was?

Speaker 1 (09:47):
What I saw was not good.

Speaker 3 (09:50):
It's not okay, okay.

Speaker 1 (09:52):
In terms of in terms of things that I'm googling them.

Speaker 3 (09:54):
You'll have to tune in. But no.

Speaker 1 (10:00):
I've also recently done some in depth research about the
best kind of small hats you can get for a dog,
because my dogs have their birthday recently and this you know,
they have birthday hats. They have cowboy hats, and they
have like a little pink princess hat. But I thought,
you know, this year, you need crowns and I don't
want some flimsy piece of shit plastic dog crowns. So
I really dug in and did some googling about small

(10:23):
princess crowns for dogs, and I got ready.

Speaker 3 (10:25):
Ones made of precious metals and stones.

Speaker 1 (10:28):
Oh it's made out of like cheap metal, but it's
better than plastic, you know. Yeah, it's durable, fake pearls,
you know, very different.

Speaker 7 (10:36):
You have dogs that yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, and they
and they're like I've I've had pets but that I've
tried to dress in the past, and some just will
not have it.

Speaker 3 (10:48):
They are patient with the headwear.

Speaker 1 (10:50):
They don't love the hats, but an outfit they love
an outfit.

Speaker 2 (10:55):
Okay, okay, right, once they see themselves in the mirror,
they're like worth.

Speaker 1 (10:58):
It, right, I think because they know, like, whatever is
happening to me, everyone around me is loving it. I'm
being pretty much everyone is so into what's happening right now?

Speaker 3 (11:09):
Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, Okay.

Speaker 1 (11:10):
Like a couple of years ago, we did something I
called dog Tober where every day of October I took
pictures of them in different costumes. So I do own
like forty dog costumes.

Speaker 3 (11:22):
What's the weirdest one you got?

Speaker 1 (11:25):
Well, the lobster is my favorite because they just look
so crazed with the little lobster antennas, like right right, yeah,
because they have those long bodies, they do look like lobster.
I love the lobster.

Speaker 3 (11:36):
Wow, I need to look that up. Lobster Wiener dog costumes.

Speaker 1 (11:41):
Buck looks great. And his lion costume the panda bear.
I don't love the purple octopus a classic.

Speaker 2 (11:47):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, a lion costume is the most that
my dog, dearly departed Finny ever communicated that like fuck
you to me. He was so furious, he was like
shaking it off his head and it was just a
battle of wills.

Speaker 1 (12:06):
Sometimes find it very degrading.

Speaker 2 (12:08):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's just like I think he rolled
his eyes at me, right, and then you're like, bro, without.

Speaker 3 (12:14):
This, you're fucking naked. You look ridiculous. What is something,
Molly that you think is underrated?

Speaker 1 (12:23):
Okay, wait for it, having a little treat. I subscribe
to something I call the little treat lifestyle. You know,
like people like, oh, you know what we should should
know if if you can afford it and it's reasonable
and the treat is available, you should always have a
little treat. And sometimes it's like you know, an actual
treat that you eat, or like a little thing that
you get for yourself, Like I just got myself a

(12:44):
really nice new pencil.

Speaker 3 (12:46):
I saw that. That's a Japanese that's a Uni.

Speaker 1 (12:49):
Oh yeah, I did some googling about Japanese pencils.

Speaker 3 (12:52):
What is that point five millimeter or point?

Speaker 1 (12:54):
Oh yeah, point five point five?

Speaker 2 (12:55):
Wait?

Speaker 3 (12:56):
Just checking, just checking, just checking.

Speaker 1 (12:57):
You know, I'm gonna annotate these Nazi memoir with something precise.

Speaker 3 (13:02):
Yes, yes, yes, as someone who grew up going to
Japan like for summer vacation and coming back with just
the dopest mechanical pencils, like I would stunt on my classmates.
I'm like, bro, it's nice, cheap ass plastic bic. Bro,
look at this shit. It's heavier than a police baton
and I'm writing with it.

Speaker 1 (13:20):
Oh, I mean the engineering is.

Speaker 2 (13:21):
Tysnically a murder weapon. You are you guys are able
to use like I can't use a regular mechanical pencil
without snapping that ship in half, Like, not not in half,
but snapping the lead.

Speaker 3 (13:34):
And you're able to use finer? How many times are
you clicking that thing?

Speaker 2 (13:38):
Like?

Speaker 3 (13:38):
How much is the lead out when you're like like,
damn it fourteen times, Jack, I don't.

Speaker 1 (13:44):
Think you understand the engineering that goes into the Korutoga
Elite mechanical pencil.

Speaker 3 (13:49):
Okay, you got you got a elite.

Speaker 1 (13:52):
Yeah, it comes with a diamond infused graphite. Okay, so
that's not breaking off Holy shit.

Speaker 3 (13:59):
No way is it marketed like that.

Speaker 1 (14:01):
That's what it says.

Speaker 3 (14:03):
Wow. I thought it was just my pre roll joints
that were diamond infused, and now we're talking about fucking
pencil led to Okay.

Speaker 1 (14:09):
Yeah, So I mean, if you're struggling with your with
your horrible little cheat mechanical pencil, try the cola wow.

Speaker 3 (14:15):
Yeah yeah, yeah, I'll be like.

Speaker 2 (14:17):
I mean I have also snapped like plastic where in
half like I.

Speaker 1 (14:23):
Just because you're just too strong.

Speaker 2 (14:25):
I'm incredibly strong.

Speaker 3 (14:27):
You were too much of a poz would say where.

Speaker 2 (14:31):
Like, I'm just thinking about something stressful and then suddenly
a thing snaps in my hand.

Speaker 1 (14:37):
Is back door bragging about your incredible grip strength?

Speaker 2 (14:40):
Right, I don't know, and then like the pencil speaking
of diamonds turns into a fucking diamond in my hand.

Speaker 3 (14:48):
It's crazy. Is handwriting analysis like that? Forensic is that
an action. Is that a pseudo science? It's fake right? Yeah,
But I feel like the one time they're like, yo,
this dude, look just looking at this handwriting. He is
gripping that shit way too hard and present now way
too We know that based off this light handwriting and.

Speaker 2 (15:05):
All the just sweat pouring all over over the page.

Speaker 3 (15:09):
Oh no, he's got a lot.

Speaker 2 (15:11):
Going on, a lot of internal churn, a lot.

Speaker 3 (15:14):
Wait, what's another kind of treat? What's another Like, what's
your sort of the framework to determine whether or not
it's treat time for you?

Speaker 1 (15:23):
It's fives based, man, you know it's Yeah, when the
opportunity for a treat arises, naturally, just go with it.
Let it happen. Let the treat be part of your life. Like,
was shopping at Costco recently and they had the Kirkland
signature brand sweatshirt that I've been thinking about for a long.

Speaker 3 (15:41):
Logo blasted on the front. Yeah baby wow, and they
got that black black color tone black on black, Like,
I didn't need this.

Speaker 1 (15:50):
I didn't need this, but it's on sale and it
was a treat and it was yeah, and now it's mine.

Speaker 3 (15:55):
And in a way like impossible to detect, like to
be like we got to find someone in a Kirkland
signature hoodie. They're like, good luck, motherfucker, that's Cosco Country West.
Yeah exactly, Damn I got to get one of those.

Speaker 1 (16:09):
I know, I got this. I got the matching sweatpants
too fucking rocks.

Speaker 3 (16:12):
And they got a logo too cool.

Speaker 1 (16:14):
Oh yeah down the leg baby is.

Speaker 3 (16:16):
Wow, all the way up and down the lake, like
one leg is consumed by the kirk ciggy logo.

Speaker 1 (16:21):
They have that one, but I couldn't find it, so
mine just has like the small logo like near the head.
But yeah, but I mean I got the Kirkland fit.

Speaker 3 (16:28):
Yeah yeah, yeah, damn okay, all right right sponsored me Costco.

Speaker 2 (16:33):
Yeah, I see you, but only as related to fashion items,
the Kirkland fashion line.

Speaker 3 (16:39):
Yeah yeah.

Speaker 1 (16:40):
Like now that I am a professional podcaster, I just
I feel so much more at home, Like I can't
go to office, I can't go to a job, like no,
I buy all my clothes at Costco. Right, so like,
thank god I'm a podcaster now.

Speaker 3 (16:52):
Yeah, And you fit right in and you're you look
the part. You look the part.

Speaker 2 (16:56):
When my friends talk about going into an office. I
spit on the ground. I can't don't even conceive of it.
What would that even be?

Speaker 3 (17:02):
Like, They're like, I don't even have clothes I can
wear in bubbling.

Speaker 1 (17:05):
I'm not wearing pants right now.

Speaker 3 (17:07):
No, none of us are. I'm wearing I'm wearing one
third of a T shirt. If I actually stood up,
you'd see it just covers my shoulders.

Speaker 1 (17:14):
Yeah, this is this isn't from the mid chest up professional?

Speaker 3 (17:18):
Yeah. Yeah, it looks like those like like how like
someone would wear on like the like a linebacker and
football in the eighties.

Speaker 1 (17:24):
Just h oh yeah, the little drop top.

Speaker 3 (17:26):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (17:26):
If my belly button can't breathe neither cannot. All right,
what is Molly? Something you think is overrated?

Speaker 3 (17:33):
Oh?

Speaker 1 (17:34):
Man, so I am. I'm my struggle right now. So
overrated wedding venues. I am trying to plan a wedding
right now. And I don't know if you guys have
spent any time in the American South, Every wedding venue
used to be a fucking plantation, every single one of them.
And they don't tell you it's not on the website.

(17:54):
They're not honest about it. So I'm digging through like
land use archives and the history of the building, Like,
I need you to tell me, shit, did slaves build this?

Speaker 3 (18:03):
Right?

Speaker 1 (18:05):
Because they will tell you and everything is a fucking barn.
I don't want to get married in a barn.

Speaker 5 (18:09):
Question.

Speaker 3 (18:10):
Yeah, was this the venue for unspeakable atrocities haunt my marriage?

Speaker 1 (18:17):
For professional portraits made of my entire family? Like in
front of the lynching tree? That's not the vibe.

Speaker 3 (18:23):
Yeah yeah, wait, so have you like I'm guessing like
some places been like and we're just an old traditional
house like here in Virginia, and then you've actually had
to go through like old records and' like hold on,
I just found the thing that basically it bears all
truths that this was an actual plant, a working plantation.

Speaker 1 (18:42):
I mean, thankfully, you know, doing the research, getting weird,
getting deep into the archives. That's my wheelhouse. So I'm set.
I'm worried about everybody else, right right, right, Yeah, I
need to know the providence of these bricks, okay, right, yeah.

Speaker 3 (18:56):
Further, it's like, are these conflict bricks because we can
have we can't because they don't want to be had children.

Speaker 1 (19:02):
They had children make the bricks because their hands were small.
I'm like, I don't want any.

Speaker 3 (19:05):
Part of that, right, It's like, how do you think
they got the intricate thing a little thinky.

Speaker 1 (19:10):
Prints, Like the nail factory that used to be here
in town was like staffed by enslaved children.

Speaker 3 (19:17):
Oh wow, well then so so no Blake Lively plantation
wedding for you. That's that's that's what we're getting at.

Speaker 1 (19:23):
Yeah, and I just I don't want there to be
a horse there. I didn't invite a horse. I'm not
getting married in a barn.

Speaker 3 (19:29):
So what are your options? You don't want a barn,
you don't want a plantation, even an incidental horse. You're like,
get that motherfucker out of here.

Speaker 1 (19:39):
There's no hay. There's no hay in this in this situation. Okay, right,
but guys overrated, you know, like, oh, for twenty five
thousand dollars, you can come to our barn, get fucked.

Speaker 3 (19:50):
No, sure, no, no, it's like, but the horses do
stay if you want the horses out, that's thirty.

Speaker 1 (19:55):
Grand Oh that's extra, that's extra, yeah right.

Speaker 3 (19:57):
Right right, right, oh my god, No, yeah, I don't.

Speaker 2 (20:00):
I don't course hotel.

Speaker 3 (20:02):
I don't envy those. I know a few people who
are trying to get wedding things together and just remembering
my own distress I encountered. I was like, no, no, don't.
I don't miss that. I don't miss that.

Speaker 1 (20:12):
I'm not even going to plan my own birthday party.
Why why is this my problem so overread? The entire
industry a disaster?

Speaker 2 (20:18):
Don't want to is that because people used to be
into the idea that it was like a plantation, and
so that's like a remnant from an older time or
it's just like everything with plantations back then.

Speaker 1 (20:30):
So they're just like, I mean, it's for Virginia. So
a lot of our large, beautiful old buildings, right, didn't
get constructed ethically, But I think that's part of it too,
where there was that sort of like mid twentieth century
fascination with Antebellum Southern culture.

Speaker 3 (20:48):
Right, so that was to draw yeah, right exactly, it's like,
well ignore, just just focus on like the glitz and
glamour of it, and then we can have a good time.

Speaker 1 (20:56):
It was a farm, Oh who was farming?

Speaker 5 (20:59):
Far?

Speaker 3 (21:00):
They sound like cotton or something. Yeah, yeah, I don't know.
I think like the king was cotton or something. I
don't know. I can't I didn't read the whole thing,
but kind of murky, move.

Speaker 2 (21:10):
It along, move it along. All right, let's take a
quick break and we're gonna come back and talk some
weird little guys.

Speaker 5 (21:17):
We'll be right back.

Speaker 8 (21:18):
Oh yeah, and we're back and yeah.

Speaker 2 (21:33):
So just to kind of give people an introduction, although
everybody should just go listen to episode zero, where you
do a beautiful job of giving an introduction to the
premise of the show. But one of the ideas is
that these people who you know, organize the Unite the
Right rally in Charlottesville, stage domestic terrorism, storm the Capitol

(21:55):
on January sixth, They are associated with these big ideas
and huge historical trends, but ultimately they often turn out
to be just some guy you compared to the end
of a Scooby Doo episode, except Scooby Doo doesn't have
the courage or run time to then like spend an

(22:17):
hour digging into the weird backstories of the people under
the masks.

Speaker 3 (22:20):
But you do.

Speaker 2 (22:21):
You tell us what the fuck is going on with
these people, and it's it's endlessly entertaining. Is there an
example that you use to explain the premise of your
show to someone who asks, like what your podcast is about.

Speaker 1 (22:35):
Oh man, they should have prepared me better for this marketing.

Speaker 3 (22:38):
Right.

Speaker 1 (22:40):
No, but like you said, the idea is that they're
all just these kind of sad little freaks, and they
want us to believe that they're like the second coming
of Hitler, right, that they're mighty and powerful and impressive
and you should be very scared of them.

Speaker 2 (22:54):
And that is a compliment that gets like thrown around there,
like people are like, this person might be the second
coming of Hitler, and that's good, and that's.

Speaker 3 (23:02):
What he wants.

Speaker 1 (23:03):
He wants you to think like, oh, it's this powerful monster.
I'm not saying that. Like the things that they did
are not serious, right, Like you know the end of
an episode of Scooby Doo when they unmask the you know,
the caretaker who's been haunting the mansion, like he still
did what they think the monster did. He said, a monster.
He's just the weird old caretaker, right.

Speaker 5 (23:26):
No.

Speaker 1 (23:26):
So, I mean I don't want to spoil any future episodes,
but for the two episodes that are out now, you know,
the first one was an exploration of Kevin Strome. He
was a member of the neo Nazi group National Alliance.
And you know, he thinks of himself as this sort
of learned intellectual of race science and race purity, and
he mixed this little show every week since the nineties.

(23:46):
And he's pedophile, right, he has been to Britain for childborn,
and he's his commitment to racial purity is so extreme
that he won't let the foods on his plate intermingle
because that's too much like race mixing.

Speaker 3 (24:02):
Oh wait for yeah, okay, right, yeah.

Speaker 1 (24:05):
Like you can't book Gravey on mashed potatoes because that's
misagenation of flavors.

Speaker 3 (24:09):
Yeah, wow, the freaks. I do the normal thing. I
put in a little teacup and I and I sip
it while I have a one bite after I fully
swallowed the mashed potatoes. But I mean, like to your point, right,
Like whenever we hear about these like violent plots or
these groups that have like you know, acted out like
all kinds of wild violence in physical space, like we
create this image in our mind of like some fucking

(24:31):
master criminal like with no soul that if like we
saw on the street, we would immediately be like, oh
my god, run in the opposite direction. This person is
fucking scary and they're dangerous, and like, clearly it's clear
that all these guys are like not even close to
being some kind of cloaked Marvel super villain, and like
we would run in the opposite direction if we saw
them on the street because they're literal just fucking creeps.

(24:51):
What do you think is like the like, obviously there's
a power to demystifying our sort of like reflexive tendency
to be like, oh, this person, because like what they're
into is so odious and dangerous that they themselves it
must be dangerous. But like it's clear that you find
there's a way to sort of by taking the curtain back,
we're able to just sort of reckon with these kinds

(25:14):
of characters or you know, not characters, human beings and
like a much more objective but while also being like, look,
these aren't the kinds of people who are like absolute
like these masterminds that we do need to fear. Is
that sort of part of it? I know at one
point you said, it's not about it's about understanding the creeps,
like in every facet of our lives that they do exist, right, And.

Speaker 1 (25:34):
I think you know, on a broadle broader social level,
just you know, emotionally understanding that this isn't some sort
of amorphous onto logical evil is empowering, right because like, right,
you can't fight a monster. That's disempowering. It feels like, well,
this is just this is something we can't change. There
there are monsters in the world, and it's just a guy.

(25:56):
It's just a guy who's afraid to talk to women,
right right, It's a guy who got a free sex
doll head because he complained to the fucking customer support.

Speaker 3 (26:05):
And you're like, oh, okay, huh, that's weird. But he's
making bombs too, Yeah, well yeah he is, right, like.

Speaker 1 (26:13):
He knows how to make a pipe bomb, but like
he's fucking a used sex.

Speaker 3 (26:17):
Doll, right right, You're like, yeah, not now, it's now
it's giving me the creeps in a completely different way,
for sure.

Speaker 5 (26:26):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (26:27):
The episode about the Civil War reenactment false flag is
so wild. But before before we get into the details
of that, I do just want to talk about this
idea of weirdness because it has become the focus for
the Democrats and the presidential campaign. And it happened as

(26:48):
you're preparing to launch a show focused on the weirdness
of right wing fascists, their policies, their personalities. What was
it that made you focus in on weird Like based
on the content, it feels like it just naturally took
you in that direction. But first of all, what was
it like to have that emerge as like a central

(27:09):
Democrat talking point? And do you have an opinion on
how they're doing with regards to calling it out?

Speaker 1 (27:18):
Yeah, but I think arriving at the idea that, you know,
talking about these guys in the context of their idiosyncrasies
and their their weirdness, the fact that they're out of
step with the world arose naturally for me, right Like,
I'm researching these guys in the context of domestic terrorism
and trying to understand that, and something I keep coming
across is like everything about the way they engage with

(27:40):
the world is weird, right, Like, it's not just their
ideas about race, their ideas about the Jews, or their
ideas about how political power should be achieved mainly through violence.
That's not separate from the fact that they're just weird.
On a personal level, these things are intertwined, Like they
have all these ideas about, you know, whether women should

(28:01):
be able to vote because they just have weird ideas
about how the world works, and so that was sort
of a natural progression for me and I think, you know, separately,
the Democrats have recently arrived at the same place that
like their weird personal lives and the weird shit they
want to do to your personal life are obviously related.

Speaker 3 (28:20):
Mm hmm.

Speaker 5 (28:20):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (28:21):
It feels like for the longest time, like prior to this,
like we were using very like academic terms to like
accurately describe like their ideologies. So it's like, well, they're
these are ethno nationalists, these are proto fascist model, like
you know what I mean, And like it does in
a way it clearly identifies like where their you know,
political might how like where their ideologies lie in terms

(28:41):
of like a political spectrum. But the weird sort of
cuts through that to not only be like, well it
is weird to already be so like ant like like
the race mixing is terrible. It's like what are you
a fucking civil war ghost? Like what the fuck are
we talking about? But the weirdness it does sort of
in a way help sort of cut through. I think
of these like sort of very academic terms that are

(29:03):
used to accurately describe them and really sort of remind
people of like maybe what is sort of what we
consider normal for the most part in terms of like
it's not being obsessed with people's genitals, it's not being
obsessed with like children's genitals. It's not a being obsessed
with like, you know, miscegenation or whatever these things are,
that these are all like all of these things that

(29:23):
they believe are weird are actually normal. And now it's
it is actually them now that has crossed over into
this space. So I feel like that was sort of
like the one thing that I was like, Oh, I
think it's it's able to connect in a much easier
way for people because it's much more conversational. But it
does feel like a little bit I'm sure you're a
bit frustrated to someone who's been reporting on this for
a long time not to be not necessarily that it's

(29:45):
like the Democrats, but that the warnings about being like
these people are dangerous wasn't sort of enough until it's like, oh, wait,
they're weird.

Speaker 1 (29:54):
We're getting a ratings bump from being interested in this,
Like yeah, you know, betterly than never. Sure, it's a
weird coincidence. But I think the reason it cuts to
the quick so badly for them, the reason it's like
so shockingly hurtful to them to be called weird, is
because their whole ethos is that we are the arbiters
of what is acceptable and what is normal, and we

(30:15):
want to return to this nineteen fifties Norman Rockwell painting
of imagined American life, and that's what's normal. And so
you're the ones that are weird for you know, continuing
to move forward in a society that progresses with time, right,
and so saying like, actually that that's not normal, you're
the weird one. You're the weird one. It undercuts their
their belief about, you know, their reason to exist.

Speaker 2 (30:39):
And they their personal lives so often fall completely out
of line with that ethos that they claim to like
they are. It's in line with it, but it's just
like a weird When you first encounter they're like, well,
all I care about is families, and then you see
like the strange direction that spins off into and then

(31:01):
you look at their personal lives, it's I don't know,
I guess, I guess it's unexpected at first, and then
it's like totally expected once you take the time to
think about it.

Speaker 1 (31:10):
I mean, like the it's you know, it's spoiler for
this week's episode, but like, you know, these guys who
want to talk about you know, traditional white values and
Western civilization and you know, restructuring society so that we
have you know, traditional Western values. One of the guys
in this terror cell was making degrading hardcore pornography, and
it's like, that's not that's not the world you're talking

(31:31):
about building, right right?

Speaker 3 (31:33):
Well, yeah, I mean from your perspective, from like looking
at all these people for years, and you know, even
like this latest episode with the Civil War reenactor, Like,
is it that they're just that they're sort of repressing
some dimension of who they are and that's that's manifesting
them in like this like externalized hatred of people that
like might intersect with their own like weird interests or

(31:54):
feelings or how do you sort of look at these
people sort of through the prism of like what they're espousing,
but also the context of like their personal lives, Like
how like how do those things or interact like in
terms of like how you've how you've looked at these people.

Speaker 1 (32:08):
Oh, that's that's a question for a psychologists. I mean
sometimes these sometimes these manifestations are like a desire to control.
Like a lot of fascists they want to control society
just the way they want to control their wife or
their children. And so for a lot of pedophiles, it's
about the exertion of control over a powerless victim, and
that's kind of what they want to do to society.

(32:29):
But I don't know, I don't think the cognitive dissonance
matters to them at all. Like you know, you see
a lot of white supremacists with Latino wives like that
cognitive dissonance is irrelevant to them, right, So like there's
no making sense of it as a psychological drive. It
just the rules don't apply to me. I'm just going
to do this to society.

Speaker 2 (32:46):
Yeah, because psychology is like not a thing. It's not
even like the concepts in their head. They're just like, yeah,
this is what I do, like my shadow self, the
are you talking about?

Speaker 1 (32:57):
I mean, like maybe maybe we can like necromance Freud
and get him to take a look at this. Like
for years I had this Nazi cyberstalker who would send
me these messages that were like really graphically about like
sexual fantasies involving feces. Yeah, and it's like that that
doesn't involve me, right, right, maybe you should talk talk too,

(33:18):
sithm Freud about that, like you're stuck in the anal
development stage or something. I don't know, so mixed bag.

Speaker 2 (33:25):
Yeah, it's I mean, but I feel like historians, like
or at least the History Channel like kind of does
it with Hitler, right, Like Hitler behind Closed Doors is
not this amorphous ontological evil, right, He's driven by very
strange demons and a lot of scatological you know shit.

(33:48):
And then but then I feel like, I don't know,
it popped in my head when you were talking about
Richard Spencer, like when he first came on the scene
years ago, and it felt like the mainstream media was
like into him, you know.

Speaker 1 (34:02):
Oh yeah, They're like, oh, finally, like a handsome, well
spoken Nazi and a yeah guy we can put on
TV right.

Speaker 2 (34:10):
Because he want Yeah, they want a Nazi. That is
like central casting of a fascist in a non comedy movie.
But when you look at them, it's just doctor Strange
loves all the way down right, just time after time,
It's like, nah, they have like weird suppressed urges and

(34:35):
repressed repressed ideas that are like bursting out of them
in these strange ways, but it does.

Speaker 1 (34:42):
Yeah, the real Richard Spencer is the Richard Spencer in
that leaked audio from the evening of Unite the Rights,
Like the rally got canceled they didn't get to give
their speeches because there was a terrorist event, and he
was so mad that he didn't get to give his speech.
He's like purple in the face, screaming about how like
they don't get to do this to me, they don't
get to do this to me, and he starts busting
out racial slurs that you would have to look up

(35:04):
in a dictionary, like I think he called someone an
octoroon or something like.

Speaker 3 (35:07):
Oh wow, yeah wow, taking it all the way back,
but just like that.

Speaker 1 (35:11):
Sort of petulant, childish rage, like you could put a
suit and tie on a Nazi, but he's still just
an angry little guy.

Speaker 3 (35:19):
Yeah, yeah, exactly. I mean, because I think so many
of these people have like very similar, like the similar
themes in their lives which are there operating in this
bizarre parallel reality. But when they're like forced to reconcile
their perceived world and the one they actually live in.
They just go deeper into the into the void because

(35:39):
it's just that like that recond like that sort of
dissonance is like too much. It's like no, no, no,
And now they like sort of increasingly become more hell
bent on bringing their fantasy world to life like upon
the rest of us. And it's like when they inevitably
fail and realize they don't have the power or means
to create the world, they typically will just resort to
violence or destruction because if I can't make something, then

(36:03):
I can destroy it. And either way, like I think,
there's just that feeling of powerlessness that has to be addressed,
and this sort.

Speaker 1 (36:08):
Of direction construction of this alternate reality. It just keeps
coming up sort of recurring theme in these stories that
I'm telling, Like I think this guy left out of
episode one, but after Kevin Strome was arrested for possession
of child pornography. He so he was the webmaster for
a neo Nazi group, so he knew how to use
the internet, right he was. He was an internet guy,
you know, from the nineties, so early internet adopter. And

(36:30):
he made a website that convincingly looked like an actual
local news outlet, and he peppered in like real local
news stories, stuff about the weather, stuff about you know,
just like local goings on. But like every third article
on this fake newspaper website was about how we actually
Kevin Strome isn't a pervert.

Speaker 3 (36:49):
In other news?

Speaker 1 (36:51):
Yeah, like what, like this guy really not bad.

Speaker 3 (36:56):
It's like, I mean, it's the exact same thing, like
even with the Civil Warrior guy like also creating fake
news articles like that, but he was such a boomer.
He's like cutting and pasting shit onto physical paper and
then xeroxing it and be like you've seen in this
article and it's like what sharing it with like a

(37:17):
teenager he's working with. Yeah, he's like okay.

Speaker 1 (37:21):
Man this to me.

Speaker 3 (37:24):
Yeah, man, Sniper's got a bunch of people. It's like
what newspapers. That doesn't matter. Man, it happened. It happened
you too, huh yeah yeah, but it but it is
like this very weird And then like even like this
the sex doll thing, like it's a like there's just
about creating like insulating themselves truly in like this world
of half truths or total fabrications to kind of like, yeah,

(37:47):
I don't know, it's very.

Speaker 1 (37:49):
They want they want to live in a cigarette ad
from a nineteen fifty five issue of Good Housekeeping, Like
the world you're imagining was never real, Like not only
can you go back to it, it was never real.
Like that was on queludes, right exactly.

Speaker 2 (38:03):
She's so high that mom, I'm serving that turkey, Like
that turkey is not in the middle. Yeah, yeah, she
is out of her mind. Yeah, let's take a quick
break and we'll come back. And I just want to
talk a few of the details about the subjects of
your first couple episodes, because they are absolute bangers.

Speaker 5 (38:23):
We'll be right back, and we're back.

Speaker 3 (38:36):
We're back.

Speaker 2 (38:38):
So I want to talk about the Civil War Reenact
reenactment bomb threat, which was allegedly perpetrated by Antifa, which
I always hear Antifa used as this like buzzword on
the right and then like Fox News stories, Yeah they

(38:58):
love it as a boogeyman. But I had never seen
like any of the details of what they think Antifa
is doing. And so this story is of a Civil
War reenactor group that's being threatened, and it's like not
even the biggest one in the area, but it's being

(39:19):
like repeatedly threatened and told like they have to stop
or they're going to like all be murdered. And it's
signed Antifa, like with this like logo that you could
not official, yeah, unofficial Antifa letterhead. Yeah yeah, absolutely absolutely,
And the letters are very threatening, but they also have
this juvenile tone of like make believe that reminded me

(39:45):
of this story. It was very early days of this
show during Hurricane Harvey in Houston, where there were all
these Facebook posts that were from the quote Harvey Loot Crew,
like hashtag Harvey Loute crew, and it would be like
a picture of a store that had been you know,
all the stuff was off the shelves and it says

(40:07):
we out here a Corpus Christy at the quickie store,
you know, where cash and beer gone, but Munchie's left.
Hashtag Hurricane Harvey, hashtag hurricane hashtag Harvey Luke crew. And
it's like we just immediately were like, oh, that's these
are like weird white people trying to write a character

(40:28):
that they find scary, and you get the sense in
these letters the same thing, like there's so much weird content,
Like some of us have dogs and we will even
throw their feces at you is like one of the
things from one of.

Speaker 1 (40:41):
The letters, just not how I would make a threat.

Speaker 3 (40:44):
We are Antifa and we throw pea at people, and
it's like, what.

Speaker 1 (40:48):
Yes, one of us is a rapist, Like yeah, exactly,
It's like we've got a rapist also on the team.

Speaker 3 (40:55):
It's like what what what is this? Like the fucking
weird goon squad? But yeah, that is the version of
like this organization. I guess they're trying to present to people.

Speaker 2 (41:04):
But I don't so eventually that it's revealed that this
is in fact not Antifa, but it has because this
audience that they're aiming at is so gullible and willing
to believe anything like this feels like a danger that
could get worse and worse as our inability to distinguish

(41:27):
false information kind of grows more and more. Did the
fact that this wasn't Antifa? Do you think that that
like penetrated at all like that. I'm sure maybe the
specific group that was being targeted eventually realized it was
like one of their own, But like in terms of
the stories that are reported on Fox News, I'm sure

(41:48):
like the most of the people who watch Fox News
think Antifa planted a bomb at a Civil War reenactment, right, right.

Speaker 1 (41:55):
And I think the average Fox News you were, even
when confronted with the truthful resolution to this story, would say, well, yeah,
but Antifa would do that, right, We like it says
a lot about Antifa that I believed it, But that's
not what happened. That's not what happened at all. But
I think you know, for for Gerald, the subject of
that story, he was a Confederate reenactor, he is I

(42:16):
could say comfortably a racist, Like I read all of
his Reddit posts, like he is personally a racist. And
so when he wanted to frighten his former friends, who
he knew were mostly also racists, he's like, what's the
scariest thing to us? What can I say to them
that will be so scary, Like, Oh, we're being targeted

(42:37):
for our beliefs, right right, We're being targeted by these
left wing like scary monster people just because we love
history so much. And also saying the N word, right.

Speaker 2 (42:47):
Yeah, that's the exact big argument was that, like he
wanted to be able to use the N word. He
was like, that's just what it would have been at
the time, and we should be able to and the
fact that they're not letting us is actually the real discrimination.

Speaker 1 (43:00):
It's ruining everything.

Speaker 2 (43:01):
And like his the other Confederate reenactors were like, I
don't know, man, like even they.

Speaker 3 (43:08):
Were really helping us here, right, yeah, And I think
just even the weird part two or like that you
pointed out, like the Battle of Cedar Creek, like that
was a Union victory too. It's like, wouldn't they be
targeting a Confederate victory if it was truly about this
like ideology, like ideological attack or like.

Speaker 1 (43:25):
A battle that anyone's heard of, like I've never heard
the Battle of Cedar Creek and I live here right.

Speaker 2 (43:31):
Right, right, right right, But yeah, it's just there. There's
this fascinating part where you just go through like his
trip Advisor reviews, like so as he's doing all this stuff,
he's taking trips to your treats.

Speaker 3 (43:48):
Yeah, he does loves Europe, huh.

Speaker 2 (43:50):
Going to the finest dining establishments in Europe, like Burger King,
five guys McDonald's, I think, and then just like leaving
negative reviews for or Nazi museums for being like two PC.

Speaker 1 (44:03):
Yeah, yeah, and that's the interesting thing about Gerald, Right,
it's like, you know a lot of these guys are Nazis.
Jerald's not like he has an interest in World War
two history as like you know, a boomer American watching
the History Channel. So like his problem with the Holocaust
Museum in Amsterdam wasn't like that he loves Nazis. He
just like wanted to see more atrocities. Yeah right, he

(44:25):
just thought that the museum didn't show him enough.

Speaker 3 (44:26):
Atrocities, right, could have been more atrocity memorabilia there, but
like nah.

Speaker 1 (44:31):
One story gore.

Speaker 3 (44:34):
Yeah right, yeah, yeah, yeah, truly. But I guess that's
what's like so interesting too, is like on some level, right,
and this is something you talk about like when I'm like, well,
this guy's this fucking weirdo. He's leaving like one agro
reviews about Burger King or like the Nazi Museum, but
he loves the Louver in Paris. That like, in a
way it feels disarming because you're like, this, what the

(44:57):
fuck is what's this fucking guy gonna do? But at
the the same time, it's not so you're not so
dismissive of these people that you're like, these aren't people,
aren't dangerous, but it's also being like just understand where
these people are operating from. It's not necessarily like because
they have these like weird interests or just have these
like weird proclivities doesn't mean that they aren't presenting a

(45:18):
similar threat. But I think it does help melt away
this idea that it's like you know, fucking fanos or
some shit.

Speaker 1 (45:24):
Right, Like he's a silly little guy who got a
Poshmark account so he could buy women's panties for his
sex stall, and he reviews the dunkin Donuts in his
neighborhood once a month, Like he's definitely a weird little guy. Yeah,
but he did build an operational bomb that would have
killed a bunch of children in the like gifts, Like
the tent where the bomb was was where you buy
like souvenirs and stuff, like there were kids around, and

(45:45):
like at the bomb had gone off, like it would
have killed children.

Speaker 3 (45:48):
Right, So, like what he did.

Speaker 1 (45:50):
Was was violent and frightening and evil, and like this
campaign of terror against these people who wouldn't let him
do civil war reenactment anymore, Like it's real and it's frightening.
You should take it. But like he's not a criminal mastermind.
Yeah right, he's a guy who pretends to be a
cop on Reddit because it makes him feel powerful.

Speaker 3 (46:08):
Right. Yeah, that's it's like so not not like infuriating,
but you know, like we obviously the threat of like
domestic terror and the like, you know, a white nationalist
violence is it was real and super scary, but like
there's also something kind of maddening when you're like and
it's this fucking guy.

Speaker 9 (46:29):
That's like we deserve a better enemy year, yeah, or
like that you are causing so much, you're sewing so
much chaos from your place of being so dissatisfied and
unhappy and whatever sociopathic you know, psychopathic tendencies you have.

Speaker 3 (46:42):
But there's just some there's I don't know, like it's
like every time I'm having a reckoning with like the
actual what they're what they're trying to act out and
who they are as people, and you're like, dude, this
is this is the last person who probably roll up
to you and try and say something to your face
in public, Yet they are still I don't know. I
think that's where like the Internet truly like begins to
embolden people because they can have this one version that

(47:04):
they present through their like digital avatar of themselves while
also being like and then the real world version is like, yeah,
like I shout out to sex Doll Queens dot COM's
customer service department for being really understanding that my sex
doll was damaged, and you.

Speaker 1 (47:20):
Know, Patrese is very responsive.

Speaker 3 (47:22):
Yeah, that was like the.

Speaker 2 (47:23):
Last that was his last post before being arrested.

Speaker 1 (47:26):
Yeah, before the FBI like rated his house and took
him away. He was just posting on a sex.

Speaker 2 (47:31):
All for him, right, being like with the Trece fucking rocks.
Thank you so much, Patrese for customer service. Yeah, and
there are plenty of them. Oh yeah, monthly reviews of
his local dunkin Donuts. That's so wild.

Speaker 1 (47:47):
He loves it's high quality update.

Speaker 3 (47:50):
But I mean, I guess does that do you like?
Do you see that as like another version of like
trying to at least exert some form of power, like
because then it's like it's review through my review I
can and from my eyes, I'm doing one over, getting
one over on this place that I felt wrong by.
So like that's always like they're kind of look like
it feels like it really goes hand in.

Speaker 1 (48:10):
Hand, right, like I do you think for him specifically,
it is this sort of manifestation of the idea that, like,
this world exists for me and it should meet my
needs and it should be the way that I think
it should be. And when it's not, that's, you know,
a sign of a culture in decline, Like they put
pickles on my whopper even though I said no, And
that's because society is in decline. We no longer have

(48:30):
traditional Western values or something.

Speaker 3 (48:32):
Right right, right, Yeah, pickles and onions.

Speaker 2 (48:36):
Only in Europe can they get that order right? On
the on the wapper, he says no pickles, no onions,
and every fucking time in the United States, his burger
king gets it wrong. Meanwhile, Kevin is that his name,
Kevin Kevin Strome. Strome disappears into the bathroom for hours
at a time to take a bath and eat pickles.

Speaker 1 (48:58):
So I actually so his second ex wife, second ex wife, no,
his first second, so his first his first, his first wife.
After they got divorced, she wrote a memoir and it's
been out of print for twenty years. You can't buy it.
So I found a used copy of it on the internet,
and I was so excited and it came and so
I read this. You know, this woman's memoir of her
time being married to this famous Nazi, and you know

(49:21):
she's been through a lot, respect to her. Not well written,
a little deranged, but just the little kernels of like
day to day life of being married to this man.
Worth the twenty bucks, Worth the twenty bucks they spent
on it, especially because it was signed. So when you
when you buy this book, you never know what you're getting.
It says, you know, like in decent condition, there's markings inside,

(49:42):
and so I get it. It is the copy she
gave to the woman who mentored her during her conversion
to Catholicism.

Speaker 3 (49:52):
Woow, So is she in the book? The person she
like like wrote this to, like inscribed the message to
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (49:59):
If she's in there my name, but there is, you know,
sort of a lot of discussion of like, as she's
leaving Kevin because the National Alliance is they have what's
called the Cosmotheist Church. It's just like a made up,
like white people religion that doesn't involve God or Jesus
and it's taxing. Sure, So she's leaving National Alliance. She's
leaving Cosmotheism. She's leaving Kevin, she starts seeing apparitions of

(50:22):
the Virgin Mary, so she converts to So she converted
to Catholicism. And like just an incredible, an incredible memoir.
And so the pickle thing was in there.

Speaker 2 (50:31):
Yeah, hours at a time, just eating pickles in the bathtub.
Like I can kind of get behind that, Like.

Speaker 1 (50:38):
You have three children and you're just gonna be in
there for five hours eating a whole jar of pickles?

Speaker 5 (50:43):
Right?

Speaker 3 (50:43):
And also how big is that jar of pickles for
five hours? Or what's your eating?

Speaker 1 (50:49):
You're swelling?

Speaker 3 (50:51):
Yeah, you savor every bite of a pickle, so it
takes you five I mean I could eat a jar
of pickles, I think in like twenty minutes easily.

Speaker 1 (50:58):
I think it's kidneys would enjoy that experience.

Speaker 3 (51:01):
Well, you know, the doctors, that's their opinion. But like
I heard from my friend Molly, I need a treat.

Speaker 2 (51:07):
I have to you need a treat, And like you
heard from your friend Jack, do your own research. Okay,
don't you trust the doctors? What do you you know?

Speaker 3 (51:15):
I don't look, what do you know? What do you oh? Sorry,
you're a specialist in renal issues. I don't even know
what that means, man, but my side's hurt real bad
in the back whenever I eat my pickies. Help. I'm curious, like, Molly,
is there what is sort of like a I guess
a takeaway that you come with, take a takeaway that
you arrive at after looking at these people, because you know,

(51:36):
you've studied like really horrific shit and a lot of
these events that have been at the hands of these
types of people, But like, what what like what's the
experience for you when you're like, of course they're a
weird little guy? Is it more to not necessarily again,
because it's not to sort of mitigate or minimize the
threat that these people pose, but like, what is sort
of the what is like the sort of message that

(51:57):
you come away with from realizing time after time these
people have such a similar kind of way of being.

Speaker 1 (52:04):
I think, as I've been doing nothing but writing for
weeks now, kind of going insaying becoming my own weird
little guy. What seems most important to me to take
away from like trying to tell these sort of like
brief biographical arcs of individuals is that like they are weird,
but they are not aberrations, right, Like they are not

(52:24):
one off like random mutations of the human mind that like,
you know, I think in recent years, you know, we
see like, oh, there's like a groper who works for
your congressman. Like, what a strange aberration. This is never
this is unprecedented. No, it's not. It's super precedented, right,
And so like trying to situate these things in historical

(52:45):
context for the last hundred years or so, Like I
don't know. My plan is to sort of bounce back
and forth between like a guy who just went to
prison recently, sort of this modern weird guy, and then
reach back and talk about a guy from the seventies
or the eighties and sort of the Nazi group that
would grow to become what's giving us today's weird guys. Right, So, like, right,

(53:06):
Marjorie Taylor Green, hiring some weird little Nazi from the
internet is not unusual. If you know that there was
a scandal in the forties where some congressmen. So congressmen
can send free mail, they don't have to pay postage
on stuff they send to their constituents. But you know,
the franking systems.

Speaker 2 (53:22):
Rika the job. That's why a lot of them get
into it.

Speaker 1 (53:24):
Free mail, free mail. Maybe stamps are expensive, but there
was the scandal in the forties where they were using
their franking privileges. They would go on the house floor
when nothing else was really happening. There's like not an
important big day for bills, and they would give a
speech that was Nazi propaganda. So then it's in the
congressional record and then you can mail Nazi propaganda to
all of your constituents for free.

Speaker 5 (53:44):
Wow.

Speaker 1 (53:44):
Wow, because there was a weird little fucking Nazi working
for a congressman, Like this is not unprecedented. We've always
been like this right just online.

Speaker 3 (53:54):
Now yeah, and now like then, it sort of makes
it more about like what do we do about these
like these things, these shadow creatures that have appeared on
a nor It's like no, it's like whack a mole.

Speaker 1 (54:03):
But like with the weirdos and no, wow, we got
to get a fourth clan act you lissies ys Grant
and not go far enough.

Speaker 2 (54:10):
Right exactly Jesus Well, Molly Congres, I can't wait to
listen to the next episode and just yeah, you know
future episodes. I particularly the little crumb, the little nugget
you gave us on Timothy McVeigh and the song Bad Company.
He comes up a couple of different places, but yeah,
he the obsessive way he only listened to that song

(54:34):
is terrifying. It's like one of the strangest instances of
human behavior where you just kind of have to be like, huh,
how interesting, and.

Speaker 1 (54:45):
Like maybe it doesn't even mean anything, right, Like we
all have our idiosyncrasies, and once you commit a major
active domestic terror, they all look suspect in retrospect. But
who knows. Maybe you just really love Bad Company by
the band Bad Company from their album.

Speaker 3 (54:59):
From Bad Me have that company Bad Company. Maybe he
just loves like those He's like, I call that a trifecta. Man.
If you've got a titular track with the band name
from and it's on the album, that's what that's.

Speaker 1 (55:10):
Fucking don't I don't know what the bass is like
in a Sherman tank, Like maybe it just felt good.

Speaker 3 (55:15):
Yeah right, right, right, yeah exactly.

Speaker 2 (55:17):
Some of the other people who were in there with
him must have. I can't imagine, although I can kind
of emt like my kids are currently really into do
you know who Perry Grip is? He's like from the
band the Nerf Herders. It's like children.

Speaker 1 (55:32):
Children's music. They did the Buffy theme song.

Speaker 3 (55:35):
Okay, well he does children's music. He does it's a cat,
post buffys a toilet.

Speaker 2 (55:42):
It's a cat, and they're singing to that. They're listening
to that repeatedly and like over this weekend as I
was like thinking about the Timothy McVay thing from your show.
So don't think about, like dad, what's wrong. It's a
catush the toilet, it's a cat.

Speaker 1 (55:59):
Just think about Ellaheim City.

Speaker 3 (56:01):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (56:05):
Well, Molly Conger, what a pleasure having you on the show.
Where can people find you? Follow you, hear you all
that good stuff.

Speaker 1 (56:12):
Oh gosh, my show's on Coolzone Media. It's on the
iHeartRadio network and you can subscribe, subscribe to it wherever
you get your podcasts, and I hope that you will
do that. Maybe leave me a review that's not weird.
I'm getting a lot of like race science reviews.

Speaker 3 (56:25):
Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. We need the reviews.

Speaker 2 (56:29):
We need the normal, the normies out there reviewing.

Speaker 3 (56:32):
Someone started doing amazing some one star.

Speaker 1 (56:35):
Reviews from guys who think I'm being unfair to white men,
which yes, I hope to continue to do that, right,
got some some cool weird guys coming up. But you
can find me on Twitter at Socialist dog Mom and
that's that's kind of it.

Speaker 6 (56:48):
Oh.

Speaker 1 (56:48):
I occasionally host episodes of It Could Happen here, also
a cool Zone show.

Speaker 2 (56:53):
Yeah, I'm just out here online out here. Is there
a work of media that you've been enjoying a tweet
or otherwise? Oh?

Speaker 1 (57:02):
Man, No, I've only been consuming newspaper articles from the
nineteen sixties. Oh I recently read some congressional testimony from
nineteen eighty five, very intriguing. You'll have to wait two
weeks to hear about that on my show though. So No,
the media I'm consuming is not normal, and I would
not recommend it.

Speaker 3 (57:19):
Stay a Stay a.

Speaker 5 (57:22):
Miles.

Speaker 2 (57:22):
Where can people find you? Is there a workI media
you've been enjoying?

Speaker 3 (57:25):
Yeah, find me on Twitter, Instagram at Miles of Gray.
You can find Jack and I on the basketball podcast
Miles with Jackot Mad Boosties. You can also find me
on the latest episode of Black People Love Paramore, where
I'm on there talking about rat beefs and just it's
been a while I haven't really had an ability to

(57:45):
really get through all of my feelings with different rat beefs.
So this is a perfect opportunity for that. Check out
that episode, the latest episode of Black People Love.

Speaker 1 (57:54):
Paramore and is there're more than one beef going on
right now.

Speaker 3 (57:57):
I think we're just talking generally like we're going through
some of them, from Biggie to jay Z and Naas
to you know, n w A and Iceke all of
that up to Kendrick Lamar.

Speaker 1 (58:06):
I'm more that Kendrick is overshadowing some other current beef.

Speaker 3 (58:10):
Yeah, no, no, no, no, no, no, no no, it's yeah,
the Kendrick Lamar. I don't know, man, that this that
the beef though definitely took over my mind as someone
who's from Los Angeles, I definitely spent a lot of
time talking about that. But anyway, check me out there.
I don't have a work of social media because I've
been I was, I was out taking a break, so
I don't like to look at the social media that

(58:30):
often to give myself a bit of a brain reset.
But you know what I did watch. I've just been
watching that that that show Presumed Innocent, that Jake Jillenhall show,
which is wild.

Speaker 2 (58:42):
Yeah it's again, you watch it all right, I'm the
fourth recommendation.

Speaker 3 (58:46):
I'm like, I'm on the last episode of it, and
it's it's pretty good. I would say. The one thing
was like I was, I was amazed that it's just
wild to see how many actors like who aren't from
America that are playing Americans all the time. Like like
one of the like the one of the black characters
who plays the da is like from England. The judge
who's a black woman is like from Switzerland. Ruth Nega

(59:07):
who is plays Jillen Hall's wife, she's Irish. I was like, Irish. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm.

Speaker 1 (59:15):
Surprised that's not in Trump's twenty twenty four platform, right,
like bring back American jobs.

Speaker 3 (59:21):
These are these are black jobs. These are the black
jobs I'm talking about, even if nothing's safe even for them.
They were doing it. The Australians were taking the white
people jobs, and now the black people acting jobs are
all gone. They're all gone. So yeah, I've just been
watching that and it's Peter Sar's Guard will always make
I will always be suspicious of Peter Sar's Guard whenever
I see him on the screen. So there's that.

Speaker 2 (59:42):
It's got a very unnerving presence.

Speaker 3 (59:44):
He could because he's got like like Malcols like Malkovich energy,
you know what I mean.

Speaker 1 (59:50):
There's Dylan is looking Scars Guards.

Speaker 3 (59:53):
Yeah yeah, yeah, well yeah, Sars. That's the only part
Stars Guard that guy, not the Scars Guards. The thing
different Scandinavian acting family. Yeah, the one that's married to
Maggie Jillenhaller was married to.

Speaker 2 (01:00:04):
I can't remember what wor scarguard the thing that you
put on a cut to make sure that it doesn't
get scarred.

Speaker 3 (01:00:10):
Yeah, the SEO was all fucked up for them. Yeah, yeah,
so shame.

Speaker 2 (01:00:15):
You can find me on Twitter at Jack Underscore Obrian.
Somebody retweeted the reaction of test audiences while watching the
chestburster scene in Ridley Scott's Alien, and everybody's like, oh gross,
like screaming, and then Robert Evans from Cool Zone zoomed
in on this one guy, like guy with a beard
and long hair who's just got this facial expression that's

(01:00:37):
like yeah, man, all right.

Speaker 3 (01:00:40):
He just tweeted, Hell yeah, brother, this is from the
eighties Test audiences seventy nine. Wow, Wow, why I.

Speaker 1 (01:00:51):
Just feel like receiving that even knowing it's going to happen.
We've got you go react. But yeah, he's made a
stronger stuff stronger.

Speaker 9 (01:00:59):
Yea.

Speaker 1 (01:01:01):
We're just like a bunch of seventies dish weed.

Speaker 3 (01:01:03):
Yeah yeah, rightah yeah, it's like yeah, it's like the
movie version of like when you're listening to music and
you're like, damn, this is like kind of a band,
you know, like when you hear a band you didn't
know you were trying to hear, and you hear and
you're like all right, like yeah, that's the social expression this. Yeah,
chess burst. It finally feel seen.

Speaker 1 (01:01:22):
It awoke something in him.

Speaker 3 (01:01:25):
Yeah. Anyways, we will link off to that in the footnotes.

Speaker 2 (01:01:28):
The Daily Zeitgeist is a production of iHeartRadio for more podcasts.
Wait no, I didn't do the thing anyways. You can
find me on Twitter at Jack Underscore o Brian. You
can find us on Twitter at daily Zeitgeist. We're at
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page on a website, Daily zeitgeist dot com, where we
post our episodes and our footnotes. We link off to

(01:01:48):
the information that we talked about in today's episode, as
well as the song we think you might enjoy miles,
did you hear any music while you were off that
you think the people might enjoy?

Speaker 3 (01:01:59):
I did? I mean it's I'm a bit behind on
the trends. This like music video was doing big numbers
on YouTube. It's by this rapper from Kerala, India who
goes by Hanumankind. The track is called Big Dogs awgs
that's how they put big Dogs. But the video is dope.

(01:02:21):
The beat instrumental is fucking it's it's wago, it's fire,
it's crazy. The wrapping, you know, it's it's fine. The
production of the visuals were so good, you know, the wrapping.
I could go either way on but I think it's
a track we're listening to because it's just like we're
just check the video out. It's super fun. It's Big
Dogs by Hanuman Kind. I know I'm late, or at
least probably younger people in your life would be like, dude,

(01:02:44):
you're so fucking late. Well guess what ten days old?
What is wrong with you?

Speaker 6 (01:02:48):
My god?

Speaker 3 (01:02:49):
Dude, are you dead? All right?

Speaker 2 (01:02:53):
We'll link off to the video on the footnotes. The
guys the production of iHeartRadio. For more podcasts for my.

Speaker 3 (01:02:58):
Heart Radio, visit the heart Radio app.

Speaker 2 (01:03:00):
Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcast. That's going
to do it for us this morning, back this afternoon
to tell you what is trending and who will talk
to you all.

Speaker 3 (01:03:09):
Then bye bye bye