August 3, 2023 • 47 mins
Jack and Producer Jabari (in for Miles) were pleased to be joined by comedian Kenny DeForest on today’s episode. The trio discussed the new documentary "Steph Curry: Underrated" and marveled over Curry’s prolonged excellence and plenty more!
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Well, well, it's my turn to say, well, well, well we're.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
Back at it again. Baby Miles is out.
Speaker 1 (00:09):
So I'm thrilled to be joined by super producer Jabbari
and we're talking about the Steph Curry documentary Underrated.
Speaker 2 (00:17):
We are talking top five.
Speaker 1 (00:18):
Starting lineups and more with comedian long Overdue guest of
this podcast, one of the first people we mentioned. We
said we're doing a basketball podcast.
Speaker 3 (00:27):
We need to Kenny.
Speaker 1 (00:28):
Dforest on Miles and Jack got Matt boosties and we
got him today, folks, and Miles is ducking him. I'm
Jack O'Brien and now Jabbari in for Mile and this
is Miles in Jack and ocasionally Jabari, you got Matt boosted.
Speaker 2 (00:47):
Davis, here's your jamby drive me Spinty.
Speaker 3 (00:55):
Curry a three punter.
Speaker 2 (00:57):
Steph Curry from the tile again, Kenny DeForrest. What's good man, dude.
Speaker 4 (01:09):
It's such a p First of all, I am very
proud that to be a person that when you started
an NBA podcast, I'm one of the first people you
think of, So that.
Speaker 3 (01:17):
Is that makes me feel real good right here in
the heart. Yeah, and we know, you know, because I'm
on that showed us. I mean we got to play
one on one, Like, you know, I'm not asking to
meet me on the court. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (01:29):
Yeah, it's just implied by your presence and all the
kind of shots that you're putting up in the background
while we're having the conversation. Uh, he's got a pretty
j folks. Yeah, but I remember, like you, you would
come on TDZ, we talk about the news, then we
break for a commercial, then we talk about hoops during
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the part that wasn't being recorded. Then we come back
and talk about the news, and so yeah, very early
on we were like this, we need to have this
man on to talk hoops.
Speaker 2 (01:58):
Uh you are a bulls fan.
Speaker 1 (02:01):
Uh from a bull situational Bulls fan are always No.
Speaker 4 (02:05):
I want to be very very clear. I was there
for the Ron Mercer era. You know, I was excited
when we traded for John Salins.
Speaker 3 (02:14):
Like you know, when we took Tyris Thomas. I was like,
let's let.
Speaker 2 (02:18):
Let's go Thomas era has begun, let's.
Speaker 3 (02:22):
Go athletic upside over skill. Let the Blazers have LaMarcus.
Speaker 2 (02:26):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (02:26):
I was just gonna say you didn't want LaMarcus, you
were you were all about the Tyres train.
Speaker 3 (02:30):
No, I wanted LaMarcus. I was so upset. I was
deeply upset.
Speaker 4 (02:34):
And you know, I don't know if we want to
launchend to this already, but thinking about LaMarcus Aldridge and Derek.
Speaker 3 (02:38):
Rowse and his prime just makes me want to cry
myself asleep because that's exactly what we needed.
Speaker 4 (02:44):
That's what we tried to get with Carlos Boozer, but
we could have had it from the beginning.
Speaker 5 (02:48):
If you go back through, like pretty much any draft,
there's always that, but the ones that sting the most
your own squad.
Speaker 6 (02:54):
I understand that.
Speaker 5 (02:55):
By the way, John Salmon's fantasy basketball stood for like
a season and a half, I wanted him at that
time on the Lakers. So I mean, I'm happy for
you that you've got to experience that.
Speaker 3 (03:05):
The Orlando Magic do that to guys. You know, you're
like a role player somewhere else.
Speaker 4 (03:09):
You go to the Magic, you suddenly average eighteen a game,
and all of a sudden, Evan Fornie is getting sixteen
million a year and no one knows why because he
went to the Magic.
Speaker 1 (03:18):
Yeah, that should be a category we talk about on
the podcast. Is just like all time great fantasy players
whose names. Most people don't know what stats was Salmon's
filling up. We're not calling him Salmons.
Speaker 5 (03:31):
I think it was actually Salmon's, or at least I
was calling him that, so maybe it maybe it was,
but he did it was because he did a little
bit of everything and he got you steals and you know,
you know, rebounds for his position.
Speaker 1 (03:42):
We could talk more about your fandom as we go,
but really everyone is playing for second place in our hearts.
Speaker 2 (03:49):
After watching Underrated the.
Speaker 1 (03:51):
Stefan Curry documentary Stephen Curry, Steph Curry, there there was
a good moment where school announcer introduces him as stiff
Stephen Curry and his mom is like, yeah, bozo, it's
Steph Curry. But this, this is a triumph. The autobiographical
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documentary is always going to pull at your heart strings.
It's a very effective weapon. But man, it got me.
Speaker 2 (04:21):
How about you guys?
Speaker 3 (04:22):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (04:22):
Man, I mean, for one, it always it hurts because
I always use being too small and slow as my
excuse for not being in the NBA. Yeah, and then
you see that, it's like maybe I should have just
like shot a thousand jump shots a day and I
would have found my way.
Speaker 3 (04:39):
Yeah, you know. I mean, it's unreal. He was a child,
a child.
Speaker 1 (04:44):
So this is the thing that struck me the most
from the documentary is I was asking myself did they
digitally shrink him for all of the like old footage
from college and high school? Like in high school, you
usually you'll see an NBA player who's like, you know,
a point guard or something, and then you see them
back in high school and they still look big compared
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to everyone else because they're playing in high school. But
he looked keeeney out there in high school. He looked
when he comes out in the big T shirt like
for his first college like midnight madness at college and
they're introducing him like you were like, who let this
child onto the practice floor? This is like because he's
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also it was at a time when all clothes were oversized,
so he just looks like a kid who put on
his dad's like workout stuff.
Speaker 2 (05:37):
But man, he looked small even like his early Warriors days.
Speaker 1 (05:41):
Like I was like, did he hit a gross spurt
like mid career in the NBA, because I like that.
That is my first and biggest question from the documentary
is like he's six two, Like six ' two is
not a small person like Miles is six two. The
first thing I noticed about him, and when I hang
out with him again for the first time in a while,
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it is like, Miles is tall.
Speaker 2 (06:04):
Miles is a tall person.
Speaker 1 (06:07):
It's like an optical illusion because he's not small anymore.
Like he doesn't strike me as small anymore. When I
see him play. He just seems like a normal sized
NBA guard. And I'm wondering, like, is it because he's
grown so much in my estimation and I've seen him
like just do so much on the court that I'm like, no,
he's not small. He's like one of the best players
in the league.
Speaker 2 (06:28):
Is it hair? Did he put his hair?
Speaker 3 (06:31):
Like?
Speaker 2 (06:31):
Is his hair giving him an extra inch? Is it
that he like his body filled out? I can't.
Speaker 1 (06:35):
I can't really tell what it is or did they
usually shrink him.
Speaker 5 (06:39):
I mean, there may be a little bit of that,
but now, honestly, I think you hit it on the head.
It's more of his body filling out. Because it's one
thing to be six to, you know, walking amongst giants
or you know, like you know, under six to or
whatever the case, we be walking tomoch giants, but to
the point that you made. His shoulders are like twelve
inches apart, you know what I mean, Like not just
when you use it in college, that rookie year with
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Golden State. He's just a small framed guy. So to
see where he is now, you know, it's still inspiring.
He's still a small guy out there, but he's significantly
larger than he was, you know, early on.
Speaker 4 (07:12):
You know what blows my mind about his game. And
I was noticing this. I mean I've been noticing it,
but like this last playoffs was a couple of times.
The way he's become one of the best finishers around
the basket is like we know him for he's one
of the greatest, probably the greatest shooter I ever played
the game. But being that small coming in, it was like, well,
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there's no way he'll ever finish around the hoop in
the NBA. There's no way. And now I think of
him as one of the best finishers in the league.
And that's just a testament to how much. And it's
weird he's been able to put on strength without a
ton of bulk, Like he looks bigger, but it's not
like he's got those like bowling ball arms. You know what,
I'm saying he doesn't have like that Shrod Collins build
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or whatever. You know, It's like he's still very thin,
but it's just like he put on muscle in the
exact right ways where it didn't affect his touch. And
I think, honestly, probably having an NBA father who was
also kind of an a skinny shooter probably helped him
because he you know, having a dad that's like listen,
listen to the nutritionists, do what they tell you, it
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will work. That's got to help. I'm sure a lot
of guys coming in don't want to hear it. They
don't want to eat super healthy, you know.
Speaker 5 (08:25):
As crazy as it is, I had forgotten about his
ankle issue, and you know, I'm sure we were going
to get.
Speaker 6 (08:30):
To it, but when that part came up into DOCUMENTIO
was like, oh yeah, on top.
Speaker 5 (08:33):
Of being small, on top of being slide of build,
he also had ankle and issues his first like three
seasons in the league that would sideline him.
Speaker 1 (08:40):
And they showed him like twist his ankle and like
hobble off the court like six times in a row,
which I remember that was what I knew him as
when he first came in, Like obviously I remembered his
run in the NCAA Tournament, but I was like and
then like his ankles just gave out, like what he
was like one of those like Brandon roy type people.
Was just like, yeah, I don't know, his bodies just
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not built for the grind. But like Kenny to your
point about finishing around the rim, like I didn't even
want him going to the basket in the footage from
like Davidson, like he couldn't finish around the rim at
the college level. His first game in college he had
twelve was that right? Twelvenote thirteen turnovers like he throughout
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his career. He just like builds from a point of
looking like a child who like does not belong there.
It's really like one of the wildest things I've ever seen.
Like when I was a kid, I wrote an autobiography
of Mark Jackson because he was my favorite NBA player
when I was like seven years old, and I like
gave it to him, and the whole story was all
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about like how he was so small growing up and
like everybody said he was like too tiny to play
basketball because I just like made it up because I
had only seen him next to like Patrick Ewing and stuff,
and he was like, actually, I was like normal size,
Like I was a pretty normal sized person, maybe like
a little bit above average height, and but like that
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that is going to be the case almost every time.
The fact that this dude was so little every time
he entered a new level and like so unprepared and
ended up being one of the best players in the
league and like somebody who completely changed how how we
think about the game. Like the Virginia Tech story is
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so wild, Like he wanted to play for Virginia Tech.
That's where his parents went. Like colleges love to let
legacy admissions it. They loved that. They wouldn't give him
a spot on the team.
Speaker 6 (10:43):
His dad's jerseys and the Rafters.
Speaker 1 (10:46):
Jerseys and the Rafters and they were like, no, thank you, sir,
we've witnessed your game and like, no, it's not happening.
Like that's how much he changed, because it's like all
you can do is shoot, and it's like, yeah, that's
it's kind of important. Though pretty good skinny, you think
about it pretty good.
Speaker 4 (11:03):
Well, And it's like the other crazy part when you
add in not only was he so small, but he
wasn't particularly quick That's the other thing, like the fact
that that's a big part of his scouting report too.
I kind of understand teams being hesitant because it's like,
all right, you can be small, but you better be
alan iverson quick. You better be like breaking dudes off.
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They can't stay with you when you're running off screens.
The guy's just exhausted. He can't keep up. But none
of that was true when he was younger, and now
I think of him as quick. But you know, like
that's like the first thing is Reggie Miller reading a
scouting report and you're like, yeah, he wasn't even considered quick,
Like that's mind blowing. Yeah, But in general, I will
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say this, this kind of blows my mind.
Speaker 3 (11:50):
I feel like.
Speaker 4 (11:52):
Decision makers and shock collars be a college or NBA,
there's like a tendency to not want to overweight.
Speaker 3 (11:59):
Uh, this guy is the son of a guy who's
done this.
Speaker 4 (12:03):
Yeah, sometimes they overthink it and underweight it because it's like, like.
Speaker 3 (12:07):
To use the NFL as an example, you know, TJ.
Speaker 4 (12:09):
Watt when he was coming out in the draft, everyone
in the Watt family is like he's the best one,
and JJ Watt's like an all League defensive player.
Speaker 2 (12:18):
He's maybe the best player in the NFL at the time.
Speaker 4 (12:22):
Every one of the families like DJ is the guy.
And he still goes twenty third in the first round.
And I'm sitting there going what is everyone doing? And now,
of course he's an all pro pass rusher. It's like,
I know you don't want to overthink it, but the
DNA matters, and you know you've got the DNA and
you've had to coach your whole life. Yeah, a guy
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who was known for being a great shooter was is
your father and your shooting coach.
Speaker 3 (12:47):
It's like, come on, take a chance on the kid.
I bet he'll figure it out.
Speaker 6 (12:50):
And it's one.
Speaker 5 (12:51):
It's one thing if like the guy has a reputation
for being a jerk or like, you know, difficult to
deal with. By all accounts, Steph was awesome. By all accounts,
he was like incredibly respectful. He grew up around the league. Look,
I'm with you, Kenny in terms of understanding why there
may have been some hesitance, But I will always say, Minnesota,
you pick two, you pick two point guards in that
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same draft ahead, I don't care, And I don't mean
that as I don't want to be disparaging you. But
Johnny Flinkama and you know Ricky Ruveal, like, hey, you know,
all respect, he's had a great career. Well come on, man,
you had the opportunity twice and you.
Speaker 1 (13:25):
Said, yeah, you had two picks and you didn't go
with one flyer on the person who ended up changing
the league.
Speaker 2 (13:30):
Let's take a quick break. We'll come back.
Speaker 1 (13:31):
We're going to keep talking about this documentary and other stuff,
and we're back and just going to the point you
make Anny about him having like great shooter as a dad,
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you get to see him go from shooting like the
way going into high school. I think it is his
as like he shoots from his waist like he should.
He releases from his belly button and you see a shot.
And that's actually always been a thing that I've thought
about with his shot, is that it's it's a much
lower release than you traditionally are told like you can
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get away with in high level basketball. And it's it
it looks more like a kid's shot than you know,
the shots that you've traditionally seen that are like up
over the hairline, you know. But it's I don't know,
I had that moment, and I think it was middle school.
Speaker 2 (14:32):
I want.
Speaker 1 (14:32):
My dad was like, all right, you got to get
your shot like off of your chest and like up
above your headline.
Speaker 2 (14:39):
And I never made the uh never made that leap, folks.
Speaker 1 (14:43):
Both my shots, by the way, were ugly as hell,
so it was it was never gonna happen.
Speaker 2 (14:48):
But man, he uh.
Speaker 1 (14:50):
Just that that was like such a did you guys
ever have that where you like had to make that
conscious decision to like change your shot to like be
a higher release jack.
Speaker 5 (14:58):
I was five trying to play, you know, trying to
play against real players, So yes.
Speaker 6 (15:02):
I absolutely had to do that.
Speaker 5 (15:04):
And to your point, his shot looks like the shot
of a small guy that had to you know, figure
it out.
Speaker 6 (15:09):
So it's kind of like a fling.
Speaker 5 (15:11):
You'll far be in for me to criticize, but it
absolutely is a bit of a fling even.
Speaker 4 (15:16):
To Yeah, I had to play down low a lot.
And I was only six to two in high school
and I grew two inches in college and six four now.
But I studied Dirk like I if I was like,
if I'm going to be in the post, it's got
to be straight away. When I was I had like
a different shot in the post and then on the perimeter.
But by the end I was right at the eyebrow push. Yeah,
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but it took it took a lot, man, It took
a lot to get there, because yeah, I was I
was like a heaver when I was young.
Speaker 2 (15:44):
Yeah on the head.
Speaker 3 (15:47):
Yeah man.
Speaker 4 (15:48):
And also real quick, just to your point about Virginia
Tech not wanting him, I was watching that and I
honestly think though that's probably the biggest blessing that could
have happened to him, is to go to a smaller
school to gain his confidence.
Speaker 3 (16:00):
Because dude, if you go.
Speaker 4 (16:01):
In that small to like that to the ACC, I mean,
I don't even know if he makes it to his
freshman year, you know, like you kind of its kind
of good.
Speaker 3 (16:10):
He has a leash to grow.
Speaker 4 (16:11):
Like I played with a kid that was an incredible
ball player, incredible high school player and went big time d.
Speaker 3 (16:16):
One and it was it was too much.
Speaker 4 (16:18):
It was like a lot, you know, and then he
transferred mid major and had a good career. But I
always wonder, like, you always want to go as big
as you can, but then sometimes it's not a bad
thing to go smaller.
Speaker 3 (16:29):
You have a little more leash. You have a little
more room to grow. The competition's not pushing you around
as much. You can gain your confidence, you.
Speaker 5 (16:36):
Know, piggybacking on that and jack to your point. Imagine
he has thirteen turnovers in his first game in the ACC.
Now I'm not saying it would have been to him,
but he might not have you know, it might not
have looked quite You might not have put thirty two
up in that very next game.
Speaker 1 (16:50):
Yeah, it helps, It helps your case, and it helps
your coach have confidence in you when the next option
isn't it is not like near the same level as you.
You know, I don't know, just stray thoughts. First of all,
I think we can now retire the this trope from documentaries.
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You're shooting an empty chair, the person walks up, you
see them from behind, sit down for an interview, take
the take the iPad from you, and they say, all right,
you want to start that. That's how this opens. It's
Reggie Miller who's doing this sitting down. I don't know,
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I'm over it, but it's like it obviously a.
Speaker 2 (17:36):
Very effective documentary. But that that was the.
Speaker 1 (17:38):
One moment where I was like, oh no, are we
what are we doing here.
Speaker 5 (17:43):
You thought they were running like a Windy's commercial before
the duck Reggie Popu.
Speaker 1 (17:48):
Yeah, I just I could have used more Reggie commentary.
It was funny how the twenty nineteen like it was
right around twenty nineteen where all of a sudden, the
takes start getting so much spicier, Like prior to that,
you have to like rely on interviews with his parents
to be like everybody called him a twerp and like
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we're pushing him around, and then like twenty nineteen, all
of a sudden, the takes come in and they're like,
Steph Curry will never be in another NBA finals. This
guy isn't built for Like this is after he's won
three titles. Everything everyone's coming through him, dealing. Guy's just
not built. I don't like his body for the NBA.
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It's just like, oh my god, you can build a
documentary that says anybody is an underdog at this point
from from now on.
Speaker 4 (18:40):
Yeah, without a doubt, I'm sure you could find footage
you could put together like no, no one said Lebron
James could make it. You could definitely, you could definitely
find plenty of footage of like Steven a smith being,
Like I don't think he's he's he ain't a leader.
Speaker 5 (18:54):
Yeah, do you guys remember that one Kobe commercial. Uh,
it was probably like four or five. Specifically, it was
like it was like him reading or it was a
voice reading off like headlines that involved him, like basically
detractors and doubters and things of that nature. That's the
vibe that I got when I was watching this documentary
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because I always, foolishly initially used to think, like you're
the great, You're like one of the greats to ever
do this, Like why do you care? But it's only
now that I realized, like those guys still need that
as motivation and as as as much as you know,
we see them as or you know, not maybe not
you guys, but I sometimes have seen guys as like
superheroes when it comes to the things that they're able
to do. You know, from a physical standpoint, they're still
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human beings that hear all of those all of those
criticisms and read all of those stories.
Speaker 6 (19:41):
So I don't know, to me, it was it was
kind of inspirational.
Speaker 5 (19:44):
It was one of those like he's like one of us,
Like as I you know, it normalized him as opposed to,
you know, being annoying.
Speaker 6 (19:52):
I guess I could say, yeah.
Speaker 1 (19:54):
The watching his workouts, like you really do get to
get a feeling that you're like getting to watch watch
him build his game like brick by brick and watching
his workouts. I mean that that's something that people like
show up hours early for the game to watch. But
like that was something I could have used more workout footage,
like just like watching him like do that thing where
he like bounces off one foot and does like a
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step back that covers five feet and then like nails of.
Speaker 2 (20:20):
Three Like that was so fun. I could watch that
for hours.
Speaker 1 (20:25):
Like that I could have used more just him casually
making like three quarter court shots, just because that's a
unique superpower that he has.
Speaker 5 (20:36):
Did you notice at one point they he was just
casually shooting a half court left handed three pointers, like
just just to do it and sinking them. But during
that workout, at one point in the footage, he's just like, Okay.
Speaker 6 (20:46):
Let me just shoot a couple lefties. Just ridiculous.
Speaker 1 (20:50):
Yeah, I think part of the trick of the movie
is covering up the fact that this this man has
an actual superpower and has since he was a child, Like, Yeah,
being able to make threes with your left is no joke.
Speaker 2 (21:04):
Have you seen his golf swing?
Speaker 1 (21:05):
Like it's just the most perfect, Like it's better looking
than any golf swing that you've seen on the PGA Tour.
Speaker 2 (21:11):
It's so beautiful.
Speaker 6 (21:12):
Well, I mean, that's that's just until Chuck.
Speaker 4 (21:15):
What's really crazy too? And I was talking to this,
I was talking to my boy about this. And to
be clear before I say this, I'm not a Lebron hater.
You know there's a lot of Lebron haters out there.
I am not a Lebron hatre. But you could argue
that Steph changed the game in a way that Lebron
did not. Leron is amazing, But it's not like he's
the first tall point guard, you know, like we've seen
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magic before.
Speaker 3 (21:39):
He's an elite athlete to the level that we've never seen.
Speaker 4 (21:43):
But when Lebron started playing, I wasn't like, oh, I've
never seen this, Like he reminded me of Scottie Pippen,
you know what I mean. It was like, okay, big
point forward athlete, two way player, elite defender.
Speaker 3 (21:55):
But I've seen that, not on Lebron's level, but I've
seen it.
Speaker 4 (21:58):
Steph like he there's a reason NBA has played the
way it is now, and it was because the Warriors.
Speaker 3 (22:05):
Showed teams what spacing can do.
Speaker 4 (22:09):
And that's when now everybody has to shoot threes, everybody
has to clear out. To me, that's traced back to
step and like, oh, we have to guard this guy
as soon as across his half court and then the
space that creates everybody else. And yeah, it's insane that
he started off as this, Like could he even make
a team?
Speaker 3 (22:28):
Right?
Speaker 2 (22:28):
Yeah, exactly, it's yeah.
Speaker 1 (22:31):
He I feel like he changed the game more than
anyone since like Luel Center, like whoever, Like like everything changed,
and then you know Kream comes in, everybody is like
being center oriented and then for.
Speaker 2 (22:45):
All like decades, that's the that's the plan.
Speaker 1 (22:48):
You got to do that, and like he's completely reoriented everything.
I will say, as as a Lebron lover, when he
went against Detroit early on, I forget what year was
in his career. I think it was like second or
third year and then like was just getting to the
rim on the best defensive team in the league every
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single time. That to me felt like, oh, we are
witnessing something that is different than I've I've seen anyone
do at this level, Like in like I've seen people
go to the rim and dunk, I've not seen it
be like this consistently. Just he can get to the
rim and dunk with both hands like every time. Was
one of the craziest things. But it didn't reorient how
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people played the game and like game planned for the
next season, right.
Speaker 4 (23:36):
And that's all I mean, Like, yeah, totally, I'm tired
of the Lebron hat takes.
Speaker 3 (23:40):
The guy has earned our respect. If you're a.
Speaker 4 (23:42):
Hoophead, yeah, you can critique him all you want. That's
what it comes with the territory being an all time great.
But enough the guy. The guy's unbelievable. But again, I
just and you already said it, I just think Steff
changed the way the game is played.
Speaker 3 (23:57):
It's remarkable, it really.
Speaker 6 (23:59):
Is, if you think about it.
Speaker 5 (24:01):
I mean, we can look at Lebron and you know,
as much as we want, we can't duplicate that.
Speaker 6 (24:06):
The belief that comes with you know, like if you're a.
Speaker 5 (24:08):
Kid watching the game, you might you'll think Lebron is
incredit you might think these, you know, the big guys
are incredible, But all of a sudden, you see this
little guy, whether he's six two or not six two
and three quarters or whatever the case may be, you
see this little guy out there just flinging it up
and you'll, you know, dipping in and somehow you'll you'll
you'll finding his way like all over the court. And
it's like and it's like, hey, I could probably do that,
or I could possibly do that even if I can't.
Speaker 6 (24:30):
So I totally understand that.
Speaker 3 (24:32):
And also the idea that you can add to your game,
like just.
Speaker 4 (24:35):
Because you come into the league because of your one skill,
which is shooting. I mean, I remember early in his
career they were like, Steph's not a point guard, he's
a shooting guard. And you watch him now franking Ankles,
no look passes. I mean, he's not going to lead
the league in assist but he doesn't have to. Yeah,
but he's a legitimate point guard. He's a legitimate three
level score and he came into the league as a
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three point specialist.
Speaker 3 (24:57):
That's it. You know, you can add to your game.
Speaker 4 (25:00):
Yeah, it also makes you wonder like some of these
guys that come up with more talent, It's like, is
it a work ethic thing? Because you have access to
the same shooting coaches like to me working on your jumper.
Like guys that come to the NBA and never get
better at shooting, I'm like, what have you been doing?
Or like your free throw percentage doesn't increase at all
throughout your career.
Speaker 3 (25:19):
I'm like, how is that even possible?
Speaker 4 (25:21):
Yeah, yeah, at the end of practice you just you know,
shoot a hundred free throws or whatever. It's like it's inconceivable, honestly,
But I.
Speaker 1 (25:27):
Think there is a piece of staff that is missing
from this that is like, you know, Katie, there's a
good scene where Kadie comes to as the celebration party
they throw after like he breaks the all time you know.
It opens with him breaking the all time three point
shooting record, you know, halfway through his career, and then
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there's a party afterwards. Katie shows up and he's like,
I thought you were this little white kid when I
met you, like ten years ago.
Speaker 2 (25:55):
I walked into a gym and.
Speaker 1 (25:56):
There's this little wite kid, Like, but he's making threes
from half court at that point, So like, I really
think that there is a like it's not it's like
having touch from sixty feet is like a weird thing
that we're just like, man, he must have practiced that
a lot.
Speaker 2 (26:13):
But it does feel like that is something that we don't.
Speaker 1 (26:16):
Necessarily think about as like a inherent ability, but it
is like something that he has and has had, like
from early on.
Speaker 4 (26:26):
He's got to have like he's got to have like
the most elite depth perception, true and coordination. That's and
that's that people don't talk about that, and I coordination
is a big one. You can be an elite, ask
ye have that.
Speaker 5 (26:41):
Yeah, Well that one workout that they showed, you know,
right before the shooting, where he's doing like the two
tennis balls, he's catching it, he's crossing over catching the
tennis ball, throwing it with the other hand, all of
that type of stuff where while I get it, like
there are people that can do that, he's doing it.
Speaker 6 (26:55):
He's doing it with such ease. It it makes sense
that he can do these things.
Speaker 4 (27:00):
And those are the those are the skills that I think,
you know, your average fan doesn't notice. Right, It's the
same thing with Lebron. It's like you look at Lebron,
you see this elite athlete. You know, the quickness, the
jump thing, the strength, but it's the mental process. Like
everyone who's ever played with Lebron, it's like the guy
just sees the game differently. I think Steph is Steph is.
It's it's one thing to be able to stretch the
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floor like that, it's another to be able to say, Okay,
guys have to guard me at half court. So here's
what that does to the defense. So I'm thinking two
steps ahead, I'm gonna whip it to Draymond and I'm
gonna cut and I'm gonna come out the other side
because there's so spaced out, I'm gonna get a shot
on this way, like he sees the game and that
Lebron level. I'm a couple of steps ahead of all
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of you, and I'm aware of what me being on
the floor does I know how to use it? And
that's like that's like the next step, right.
Speaker 1 (27:51):
Yeah, it's it's cool. Uh Like basically no notes for
this documentary, though, I think people should go check it out.
Actually if you're a Steph skeptic or.
Speaker 4 (28:01):
Even another example, if you'll indulge me with another example,
it's like when Shaq added passing. It's like once Shack
became aware every time I touched the ball, three guys
are going to come running at me, and Shaq started
being able to hit those no look passes that you know.
Our vetus was like that, like it's just like a
different obviously now, but it's like being aware of your
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impact on the defense and then what to do about that,
I think is a different evolution. Yes, I agree, this
documentary is unreal so good.
Speaker 3 (28:29):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (28:29):
Hey, speaking of things that people should go watch. On
August seventeenth, there's there's this special coming out on YouTube
called Don't You Know Who I Am? And this isn't
me letting you go. This is me making up for
the fact that I forgot to mention this up top.
You have a special coming out and you talk Coop Center.
Is this correct, Kenny?
Speaker 4 (28:49):
I do, yes, Yes. So I grew up playing I
played AAU as a kid. I played, I started on
my varsity team in high school, and then I played
two years in college as a walk on.
Speaker 3 (29:00):
That's how you become a comedian, which I say is special.
Speaker 4 (29:03):
But I opened the special, I tell a story about
the time I had to guard Tyler Hansbrow one on
one in a high school active and uh, and it
went about as well as you would think. And uh,
and I kind of trace back me starting comedy to
that moment, yeah, and realizing that I an't like those
guys and uh, and so you and I. There's like
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two actual basketball stories out of the book. D of
the special in the middle is kind of me talking
about the uh, post athletic drop off that a lot
of athletes feel and experience. And I felt like was
something that needed to be talked about. You know, there's
a lot of like, you know, you have this thing
and it's all your energy, all your focus. It gives
you all these dopamine hits, and then that's just taken
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away one day, and no one prepares you for life after.
And I think a lot of guys get in a
lot of trouble, uh, drugs, alcohol, those things become really
kind of fill that void.
Speaker 3 (30:00):
And I started talking. I started telling these jokes, and
I really felt like I was striking.
Speaker 4 (30:04):
A nerve because a number of people that were coming
up to me after the show being like, Dude, my cousin,
my brother, and my sister that you know that, yeah,
no one.
Speaker 3 (30:11):
I can't believe no one's talked about that.
Speaker 4 (30:13):
Yeah, you know, and I've lost a couple buddies and
to drugs, and when you talk to people afterwards, it's like, yeah,
I just don't think he ever moved on.
Speaker 3 (30:22):
You never found that next thing. So the special is
kind of about.
Speaker 4 (30:25):
Like putting it to bed and finding your next love
and finding a place to put that energy is basically
what it is.
Speaker 2 (30:31):
So that sounds cool, man, that sounds awesome. Everybody should
go check it out.
Speaker 1 (30:35):
Yeah, I mean I needed to check it out because
I mean, I, okay, I'll be honest. After my high
school career, I was just in a better mood because
I was like getting dunked on by Dan ged Zurich less,
So I don't identify at all. That was That was
my psychot encounter was I was like, all right, I'm
going to body up Dan good Zurich and I got bodied.
Speaker 5 (30:59):
In fair and see you guys, Dan Gadsey reach if
I'm not mistaken as a legit seven footer and Tyler
six eight year old, that's exactly that.
Speaker 6 (31:07):
But those were those are some pretty rough, rough matchups. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (31:11):
No, I said this in the story and it's true.
So the point where I wonder if my coach got
paid off because Roy Williams was there watching the dad
and I swear to god, my coach said he made
me guard him one on one and he was like,
no help, they have shooters on the perimeter. And I
was like, so I literally got put on an island
in front of Roy Williams and I was like, wow,
just serving me up, like a yeah.
Speaker 2 (31:31):
All right, I guess I'm not playing for you NC.
Speaker 3 (31:34):
Thank you, Yeah, thanks coach.
Speaker 4 (31:37):
So yeah, man, Dan Gadzurich, that's a good one, man,
those are my favorite stories. I love when I find
out people who like, who's the best guy to dunked
on you? Because there's always one, There's always one really
bad one.
Speaker 2 (31:48):
Yeah. I just kept getting getting up.
Speaker 1 (31:51):
I was I was thinking of the movie Rocky instead
of like Hoop Dreams. I was just like, you know what,
at the end of this, I'm gonna be stronger, and
instead my teammates just couldn't make eye contact with me
for the rest of the season.
Speaker 5 (32:05):
If it makes you, guys feel better, you guys got
dunked on by NBA players. I've been dunked on by
you know, guys have been overseas and you know I've
been by everyone. Man.
Speaker 4 (32:14):
It feels just the same clear, I've been dunked on
by just the nicest dude at the Why yeah.
Speaker 1 (32:24):
Yeah, been dunked on by I was like, oh my god,
I've never dunked before.
Speaker 2 (32:28):
That was wild.
Speaker 6 (32:30):
At the end of White k he finally catches it.
It's you.
Speaker 2 (32:35):
That's right.
Speaker 1 (32:36):
All right, We're gonna take a quick break, and Kenny,
when we come back, we are going to enter the
danger zone, the fastest segment in podcasting.
Speaker 2 (32:48):
Hold on to your butts.
Speaker 1 (32:49):
Hold on to your hats if you're wearing them, because
they're gonna be spinning around, both your butt and your hat.
Speaker 2 (32:56):
We'll be right back.
Speaker 1 (33:06):
And we are back and all Kenny, Kenny, Kenny, Kenny, Kenny.
Speaker 6 (33:12):
I don't think he's ready.
Speaker 2 (33:13):
You've really stepped in at this time. Friend. This is
the rapid fire segment.
Speaker 1 (33:18):
This is where Jabari and I are just fireing questions
at you, like so many tennis balls and basketballs and
Stepf's workout drill and you've just got to juggle them.
And the other thing we're gonna be doing is like
being really bad at keeping this moving. And that is
not a design flaw. That is because I'm bad at
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keeping things moving as a podcaster. So you're just gonna
have to keep us on track and the segment starts
right now.
Speaker 2 (33:48):
Brian, could you start the clock please?
Speaker 6 (33:50):
Wait wait wait wait, I don't don't. I don't think
he's gonna hear you. I don't think he's gonna hear
what you say? It like that.
Speaker 2 (33:58):
Yeah, he is all the way across the room, you know,
want to you, Brian? Wow? All right, all right, Kenny.
Speaker 1 (34:08):
We're asking each guest which young player will have a
breakout season in twenty twenty three twenty four, as we
saw with Steph. You know, sometimes that means this is
suddenly their team's year. Some of the guys that have
been tossed around time Maxie, I've been noticing a lot
of people dropping the wreaths just time, Maxie. Maybe that's
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gonna turn things around for the Philadelphia seventy six ers.
Kate Cunningham, al Shan Goon, Austin Reeves.
Speaker 2 (34:39):
Is it too early to say? Webbing Yama? Probably Scoot?
Who Who do we think?
Speaker 1 (34:46):
Who do you think is gonna have a season where
all of a sudden this is the only person anybody
can talk about.
Speaker 4 (34:53):
I'm gonna go with Jalen Green. I like what the
Rockets did a lot of wow. But I think I
think giving him Fred Van Vliet to take a lot
of the pressure because his issue has.
Speaker 3 (35:04):
Been efficiency in turnovers.
Speaker 4 (35:05):
But otherwise he's already scoring in the twenties and I
think Van Vliet helps him. I know Dylan Brooks is
a knucklehead, but he's also a second team All NBA
player yep. And you know, people kind of right off
Dylan Brooks, I get it. But you know another great
defender that was a total knucklehead and then found new
life with a new team, Metal world Piece maybe ye.
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So sometimes the change of scenery helps guys like that.
And I think the attitude that makes Dylan Brooks a
knucklehead is why he's a great defender.
Speaker 3 (35:34):
I also like Kevin Porter Junior off the bench.
Speaker 4 (35:36):
So now the Rockets suddenly like you kind of got
better positions with Van Vleet because you slide him to
sixth man, where I think you just let him cook
off the bench, and the Rockets are so bad. People
don't realize Kevin Porter Junior average twenty five and five
last year. I know that because of Fantasy basketball, Like
that's the player. Then you got you got Tarry Easton
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now coming off the bench, who I love. Jabarie Smith
was the star of Summer League, which I know is
just Summer League, but he's got potential to be an
All NBA defender. So you got Damn Fleets a good defender,
Brooks was a good defender. Smith's was a good defender,
and Shangoon Jalen Green finally has a team around him,
and the talent is undeniable. The guy's unreal. And I
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think the Rockets are going to surprise people, and I
think they're going to make the Playing Game Playing Tournament.
Speaker 3 (36:24):
I think Jayalen Green is going to be a big
reason why.
Speaker 2 (36:27):
It's funny.
Speaker 3 (36:27):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (36:28):
Jabari and I were at Summer League and I remember
he turned to me and he said, is Jabari Smith
junior even out there?
Speaker 2 (36:37):
This guy stinks?
Speaker 1 (36:38):
And then he put thirty points hung thirty on Jabari's head.
And that is not a story that I just changed
from being about me to being about Jabari.
Speaker 2 (36:50):
That that Actually here's the other thing too.
Speaker 6 (36:51):
You know.
Speaker 2 (36:53):
I said that I said this guy that you.
Speaker 3 (36:57):
Crime.
Speaker 2 (36:58):
It was melmost like you've done this.
Speaker 6 (37:00):
That's where I was going with it.
Speaker 5 (37:01):
I was not slandering, but no, I was right there
with Jack saying like, and then all of a sudden
he hit four threes in a row and said, shut
up to both of us.
Speaker 6 (37:09):
Yeah, from way up top.
Speaker 2 (37:11):
We were screaming it from the rafters.
Speaker 6 (37:13):
But I don't know if you heard this instruction at
the top.
Speaker 5 (37:17):
You're supposed to keep us going, so like, if we
start to deviate or we start to talk about some
other stuff, you have to snap us back in the line.
Speaker 6 (37:24):
And if okay, well excuse me. So Also Jack.
Speaker 5 (37:29):
Mentioned earlier that we're going to be firing you know,
you know, questions at you. I'm more of the pea
shooter from Harlem Knights. I'm that third guy with just
a little pop pop, so here you go.
Speaker 2 (37:39):
And I'm more of a pew pew pew there it is. Yeah,
what so.
Speaker 5 (37:43):
Would you make if you If if you were all.
Speaker 2 (37:48):
Right, I was going to be his answer, I wouldn't
have even asked the damn question.
Speaker 6 (37:53):
And okay, all.
Speaker 5 (37:56):
Right, Well, if you can have any player skill set
for a date, who's and what skill set would it be?
Speaker 3 (38:04):
I would want to know what it's like to dunk
like Zach Levine.
Speaker 4 (38:10):
Oh, I want to know what that feels like, I mean,
I used to be able to dunk a little bit,
and that even that I still dream about it. I
still dream that I'm flying through the air, which I
wasn't even flying through the air, because you know what
it is to float like that.
Speaker 3 (38:24):
Come on, let me, let me, let me have it
one time.
Speaker 6 (38:26):
Who are you dunking on? Nobody ever asked this, That's
what I want to know. Who you're dunking on?
Speaker 3 (38:30):
And I'm dunking on I'm dunking on Rudy Gobert and
saying that's for COVID.
Speaker 6 (38:39):
Wow, that's what I'm saying, So jack on my shoulders.
Speaker 1 (38:43):
That would be fun to dunk on people on people's
shoulders and just have them explode apart, like powerful dunk.
Speaker 3 (38:51):
I'm dunking on you, Miles and Jabbari in a trench coat.
Speaker 6 (38:54):
There it is, there it is.
Speaker 1 (38:56):
I definitely have a new answer to this question now
that I've watched Underrated, because I feel like like there
are parts in that documentary where they cut together so
many like mistakes and like turnovers and missshots that you like,
forget what you've watched up to that point. You're like,
does this guy stink? Is just Steph Curry. Did I
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make up the past five years where he's like one
of the best players in the league.
Speaker 2 (39:21):
I think he's holding back on us.
Speaker 1 (39:23):
Like I think if I was Steph Curry for a day,
I would just try some things out, like throw a
football into like I feel like he would be the
king of dude perfect shots, timely ref that all the
kids are.
Speaker 2 (39:37):
Still talking about.
Speaker 1 (39:38):
But I feel like he could threat like thread an
actual needle with thread from like a football field away.
Like he's just not revealing that he has a literal
superpower because he doesn't want us to know. Anyways, you're
supposed to keep me on.
Speaker 4 (39:55):
Trash more quiet, all right, come on, hit me.
Speaker 1 (40:02):
You can take two players from all of history to
create your Mad Boosti's edition NBA Jam team, which should
be coming. I mean the league has heard this segment.
I gotta think that's coming pretty soon. But which two
players are you taking?
Speaker 3 (40:17):
Steph Curry and Shaquille O Neil.
Speaker 1 (40:19):
It's the correct the correct answer. Yes, I've said this before.
It's that that's the right answer. I'm sorry, folks, that's
the answer.
Speaker 6 (40:29):
That's fair. That's fair. Let's keep this going a little bit.
Speaker 3 (40:31):
Yeah, let's go, come on, come on, Ultimate.
Speaker 6 (40:33):
Peak, Prime t MAC or prime Paul George.
Speaker 4 (40:37):
Wow, I'm gonna say t MAC because I don't feel
like people are as disappointed at him as there Paul George.
There's a lot of questions with Paul George. There's a
lot of like does he have it? I never heard
anyone suggest that t MAC disappears in the playoffs. I'll
say that I never heard that brought up and so.
Speaker 3 (41:01):
Managing.
Speaker 6 (41:02):
Yeah, the second round said it about t MAC. But
that's not the right there.
Speaker 4 (41:05):
That's a good point. Maybe we just didn't expect it
from t MAC. Maybe the expectations were lower.
Speaker 1 (41:10):
But yeah, I think it's that thing with like twenty
nineteen and that's when the spicy takes come in the documentary.
It's like, all of a sudden you have people being
like Steph Curry is bad at basketball. I think like
it's harder to be a player, or maybe easier because
you get so much more motivational material.
Speaker 4 (41:29):
But you know what, I will say this hold on.
I had to think about it first second. That was
a rapid fire. Paul George is also in his peak,
he was like a true two way player, and I
don't remember t mac ever being known for his defense.
Speaker 3 (41:40):
So Paul George final.
Speaker 6 (41:42):
Answer there it is.
Speaker 2 (41:44):
I think it's the right answer.
Speaker 1 (41:45):
We recently, speaking of Steph, we recently got his all
time top five. It was Magic Johnson at point guard,
Michael Jordan at shooting guard, Larry Bird at small forward.
But then he revised that because he has been on
the internet to Kobe Bryant at small forward, Tim Duncan
and power forward, and a Shaquille O'Neal at center. Uh,
are you making any revisions to that starting five?
Speaker 4 (42:07):
Someone's got to be able to shoot a three? I mean,
what are we just going to clog the lane? Come on,
give me, give me Larry. We were We're like, yeah,
I know we respect for Kobe, but you got to
have somebody stretching the floor, bro.
Speaker 6 (42:19):
Come on, yeah, especially in today's game.
Speaker 3 (42:22):
Yeah, Michael and Kobe are redundant.
Speaker 4 (42:24):
You just put the same You put Michael Jordan and
then a Michael Jordan cover band on the same floor.
Speaker 1 (42:30):
Maybe you haven't been on the internet. Mentioned he listened.
Speaker 3 (42:39):
He was unbelievable at it, and I don't blame him.
Speaker 4 (42:44):
Of course, you want to be like I wanted to
do but you know I need someone to shoot a
three jack.
Speaker 2 (42:49):
Do you have a fun I would put Steph out there?
Speaker 6 (42:52):
Yep.
Speaker 2 (42:53):
I think I put Steph out.
Speaker 1 (42:54):
There, uh at two, put m J at three, or
you know, put Steph at one, put MJ at two.
Uh and yeah, maybe Steph Steph at one, m J two,
Lebron at three.
Speaker 2 (43:07):
The Lebron Lebron needs to be out there.
Speaker 3 (43:10):
Man. Yeah, just respect to magic. But there's your point forward.
Speaker 2 (43:13):
Yeah, you know that's gonna help.
Speaker 3 (43:15):
We're good play making. Yeah, we're solid.
Speaker 2 (43:17):
And I might go dream at center.
Speaker 3 (43:20):
I like it. Yeah, yeah, man.
Speaker 4 (43:23):
And just which Tim Duncan just came up. I'm so
excited that Wendy went to San Antonio and Tim Duncan
is on the staff. Is just going to teach Wendy
to be seven to Tim Duncan.
Speaker 3 (43:34):
And you can already shoot. It's preposterous. What's about to happen.
Speaker 2 (43:37):
It's gonna be so fun.
Speaker 6 (43:42):
Last question, sure is the most important one? Himmy Jack?
Where JABORI?
Speaker 4 (43:50):
Oh, okay, so I know a little bit. All right,
what you played Jabar? You're five to ten. You're a
point guard.
Speaker 6 (43:56):
I was a five teen point power forward.
Speaker 4 (43:58):
Okay, So you're like a five ten Draymond, You're gonna
give you think basically check what are you bringing at
the table?
Speaker 1 (44:04):
I was like a six to one Draymond couldn't shoot
worth Ship, but would defend and let Dan Gedzerig dunk
on me until he was exhausted. I was like ropidoping him.
I was like, surely he's gonna get tired of dunking
on me. That's not in no way an energizing thing.
Speaker 3 (44:23):
Right, Yeah, maybe if I go fetal position, he'll feel
bad for me.
Speaker 2 (44:29):
Have I sold myself?
Speaker 3 (44:30):
Uh? Yeah? The jumper smooth, My jumpers nice.
Speaker 6 (44:34):
That's one thing I can tell you. That's one thing
I can think.
Speaker 3 (44:36):
I'm taking.
Speaker 2 (44:38):
What are you talking about shooting on this team?
Speaker 3 (44:41):
Bro?
Speaker 1 (44:41):
You don't want my wreaky ass jumper and but but
I play defense and I always make the right pass.
Speaker 4 (44:50):
Even if you can't shoot. I want guys on my
team that say they can shoot. I want delusional confidence, Yeah,
I want I want I want you coming in going
for ten and being like, yo, pass me to ball,
I'm hit me.
Speaker 6 (45:01):
I'm trying to go over over nineteen.
Speaker 3 (45:05):
Yeah, I got get searched for.
Speaker 6 (45:06):
I want them right there.
Speaker 1 (45:08):
My free throw like routine before what I would shrug
my shoulders and be like, I'm not getting even make it. Anyways,
I did that before every free throw that was That
was just.
Speaker 6 (45:19):
I actually believe that you did that. That's funny.
Speaker 2 (45:23):
What's the fucking point? Oh sorry?
Speaker 1 (45:26):
Yeah, anyways, Kenny DeForrest Uh truly a pleasure. We've been
excited to have you on Boosties for a long time
and you did not disappoint sir. We'll have to have
you back on again soon. Where can people see you? Uh,
find you, follow you all that good stuff.
Speaker 3 (45:43):
So I'm on I'm on Instagram. I prefer Instagram.
Speaker 4 (45:47):
I just feel like if you're trying to follow an artist,
it's kind of the most like you're actually going to
see me promoting my shows. I do have a TikTok
I pust a lot of videos there. The special comes
out the seventeenth of August, and I'm going to do
a lot stream on YouTube, like a live release on
YouTube where you can watch it with me and comment,
ask questions, and I'll be on I'll be answering those.
So that pink is not quite live yet, but once
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it is, the best way to see that will be
on Instagram.
Speaker 3 (46:13):
I might be back on Twitter one day, we'll see.
Speaker 4 (46:15):
But for now, I'm just trying to focus my efforts
on those couple so that I can still have some
energy to like write jokes and stuff just on the
on my phone all day.
Speaker 3 (46:24):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (46:26):
Yeah, I don't know what your problem is with Twitter.
We love it here at mad Boosti's.
Speaker 2 (46:33):
Just killing it, literally destroying, literally destroying it. All right.
Speaker 1 (46:40):
You can find me on Twitter at Jack Underscore O'Brien
and on threads where I am. I'm not very active
on Twitter. I'm even less active on threads, but I
am there at Jack Underscore, Oh Underscore, Bryan Jabari, where
can people find you?
Speaker 6 (46:55):
You could find me, of course on the Twitter Jabori
Davis NBA.
Speaker 5 (46:59):
You can find Miles of course at at Miles of Gray.
Speaker 6 (47:02):
Yeah, not sure about his grades.
Speaker 2 (47:04):
Yeah, he's there in both places here. We are all right.
That is going to do it for this episode of
Mad Boosties.
Speaker 1 (47:10):
We are back next week to talk more NBA, and
we will talk to all then bye, goodbye,
Well, well, it's my turn to say, well, well, well we're.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
Back at it again. Baby Miles is out.
Speaker 1 (00:09):
So I'm thrilled to be joined by super producer Jabbari
and we're talking about the Steph Curry documentary Underrated.
Speaker 2 (00:17):
We are talking top five.
Speaker 1 (00:18):
Starting lineups and more with comedian long Overdue guest of
this podcast, one of the first people we mentioned. We
said we're doing a basketball podcast.
Speaker 3 (00:27):
We need to Kenny.
Speaker 1 (00:28):
Dforest on Miles and Jack got Matt boosties and we
got him today, folks, and Miles is ducking him. I'm
Jack O'Brien and now Jabbari in for Mile and this
is Miles in Jack and ocasionally Jabari, you got Matt boosted.
Speaker 2 (00:47):
Davis, here's your jamby drive me Spinty.
Speaker 3 (00:55):
Curry a three punter.
Speaker 2 (00:57):
Steph Curry from the tile again, Kenny DeForrest. What's good man, dude.
Speaker 4 (01:09):
It's such a p First of all, I am very
proud that to be a person that when you started
an NBA podcast, I'm one of the first people you
think of, So that.
Speaker 3 (01:17):
Is that makes me feel real good right here in
the heart. Yeah, and we know, you know, because I'm
on that showed us. I mean we got to play
one on one, Like, you know, I'm not asking to
meet me on the court. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (01:29):
Yeah, it's just implied by your presence and all the
kind of shots that you're putting up in the background
while we're having the conversation. Uh, he's got a pretty
j folks. Yeah, but I remember, like you, you would
come on TDZ, we talk about the news, then we
break for a commercial, then we talk about hoops during
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the part that wasn't being recorded. Then we come back
and talk about the news, and so yeah, very early
on we were like this, we need to have this
man on to talk hoops.
Speaker 2 (01:58):
Uh you are a bulls fan.
Speaker 1 (02:01):
Uh from a bull situational Bulls fan are always No.
Speaker 4 (02:05):
I want to be very very clear. I was there
for the Ron Mercer era. You know, I was excited
when we traded for John Salins.
Speaker 3 (02:14):
Like you know, when we took Tyris Thomas. I was like,
let's let.
Speaker 2 (02:18):
Let's go Thomas era has begun, let's.
Speaker 3 (02:22):
Go athletic upside over skill. Let the Blazers have LaMarcus.
Speaker 2 (02:26):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (02:26):
I was just gonna say you didn't want LaMarcus, you
were you were all about the Tyres train.
Speaker 3 (02:30):
No, I wanted LaMarcus. I was so upset. I was
deeply upset.
Speaker 4 (02:34):
And you know, I don't know if we want to
launchend to this already, but thinking about LaMarcus Aldridge and Derek.
Speaker 3 (02:38):
Rowse and his prime just makes me want to cry
myself asleep because that's exactly what we needed.
Speaker 4 (02:44):
That's what we tried to get with Carlos Boozer, but
we could have had it from the beginning.
Speaker 5 (02:48):
If you go back through, like pretty much any draft,
there's always that, but the ones that sting the most
your own squad.
Speaker 6 (02:54):
I understand that.
Speaker 5 (02:55):
By the way, John Salmon's fantasy basketball stood for like
a season and a half, I wanted him at that
time on the Lakers. So I mean, I'm happy for
you that you've got to experience that.
Speaker 3 (03:05):
The Orlando Magic do that to guys. You know, you're
like a role player somewhere else.
Speaker 4 (03:09):
You go to the Magic, you suddenly average eighteen a game,
and all of a sudden, Evan Fornie is getting sixteen
million a year and no one knows why because he
went to the Magic.
Speaker 1 (03:18):
Yeah, that should be a category we talk about on
the podcast. Is just like all time great fantasy players
whose names. Most people don't know what stats was Salmon's
filling up. We're not calling him Salmons.
Speaker 5 (03:31):
I think it was actually Salmon's, or at least I
was calling him that, so maybe it maybe it was,
but he did it was because he did a little
bit of everything and he got you steals and you know,
you know, rebounds for his position.
Speaker 1 (03:42):
We could talk more about your fandom as we go,
but really everyone is playing for second place in our hearts.
Speaker 2 (03:49):
After watching Underrated the.
Speaker 1 (03:51):
Stefan Curry documentary Stephen Curry, Steph Curry, there there was
a good moment where school announcer introduces him as stiff
Stephen Curry and his mom is like, yeah, bozo, it's
Steph Curry. But this, this is a triumph. The autobiographical
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documentary is always going to pull at your heart strings.
It's a very effective weapon. But man, it got me.
Speaker 2 (04:21):
How about you guys?
Speaker 3 (04:22):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (04:22):
Man, I mean, for one, it always it hurts because
I always use being too small and slow as my
excuse for not being in the NBA. Yeah, and then
you see that, it's like maybe I should have just
like shot a thousand jump shots a day and I
would have found my way.
Speaker 3 (04:39):
Yeah, you know. I mean, it's unreal. He was a child,
a child.
Speaker 1 (04:44):
So this is the thing that struck me the most
from the documentary is I was asking myself did they
digitally shrink him for all of the like old footage
from college and high school? Like in high school, you
usually you'll see an NBA player who's like, you know,
a point guard or something, and then you see them
back in high school and they still look big compared
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to everyone else because they're playing in high school. But
he looked keeeney out there in high school. He looked
when he comes out in the big T shirt like
for his first college like midnight madness at college and
they're introducing him like you were like, who let this
child onto the practice floor? This is like because he's
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also it was at a time when all clothes were oversized,
so he just looks like a kid who put on
his dad's like workout stuff.
Speaker 2 (05:37):
But man, he looked small even like his early Warriors days.
Speaker 1 (05:41):
Like I was like, did he hit a gross spurt
like mid career in the NBA, because I like that.
That is my first and biggest question from the documentary
is like he's six two, Like six ' two is
not a small person like Miles is six two. The
first thing I noticed about him, and when I hang
out with him again for the first time in a while,
(06:02):
it is like, Miles is tall.
Speaker 2 (06:04):
Miles is a tall person.
Speaker 1 (06:07):
It's like an optical illusion because he's not small anymore.
Like he doesn't strike me as small anymore. When I
see him play. He just seems like a normal sized
NBA guard. And I'm wondering, like, is it because he's
grown so much in my estimation and I've seen him
like just do so much on the court that I'm like, no,
he's not small. He's like one of the best players
in the league.
Speaker 2 (06:28):
Is it hair? Did he put his hair?
Speaker 3 (06:31):
Like?
Speaker 2 (06:31):
Is his hair giving him an extra inch? Is it
that he like his body filled out? I can't.
Speaker 1 (06:35):
I can't really tell what it is or did they
usually shrink him.
Speaker 5 (06:39):
I mean, there may be a little bit of that,
but now, honestly, I think you hit it on the head.
It's more of his body filling out. Because it's one
thing to be six to, you know, walking amongst giants
or you know, like you know, under six to or
whatever the case, we be walking tomoch giants, but to
the point that you made. His shoulders are like twelve
inches apart, you know what I mean, Like not just
when you use it in college, that rookie year with
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Golden State. He's just a small framed guy. So to
see where he is now, you know, it's still inspiring.
He's still a small guy out there, but he's significantly
larger than he was, you know, early on.
Speaker 4 (07:12):
You know what blows my mind about his game. And
I was noticing this. I mean I've been noticing it,
but like this last playoffs was a couple of times.
The way he's become one of the best finishers around
the basket is like we know him for he's one
of the greatest, probably the greatest shooter I ever played
the game. But being that small coming in, it was like, well,
(07:34):
there's no way he'll ever finish around the hoop in
the NBA. There's no way. And now I think of
him as one of the best finishers in the league.
And that's just a testament to how much. And it's
weird he's been able to put on strength without a
ton of bulk, Like he looks bigger, but it's not
like he's got those like bowling ball arms. You know what,
I'm saying he doesn't have like that Shrod Collins build
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or whatever. You know, It's like he's still very thin,
but it's just like he put on muscle in the
exact right ways where it didn't affect his touch. And
I think, honestly, probably having an NBA father who was
also kind of an a skinny shooter probably helped him
because he you know, having a dad that's like listen,
listen to the nutritionists, do what they tell you, it
(08:19):
will work. That's got to help. I'm sure a lot
of guys coming in don't want to hear it. They
don't want to eat super healthy, you know.
Speaker 5 (08:25):
As crazy as it is, I had forgotten about his
ankle issue, and you know, I'm sure we were going
to get.
Speaker 6 (08:30):
To it, but when that part came up into DOCUMENTIO
was like, oh yeah, on top.
Speaker 5 (08:33):
Of being small, on top of being slide of build,
he also had ankle and issues his first like three
seasons in the league that would sideline him.
Speaker 1 (08:40):
And they showed him like twist his ankle and like
hobble off the court like six times in a row,
which I remember that was what I knew him as
when he first came in, Like obviously I remembered his
run in the NCAA Tournament, but I was like and
then like his ankles just gave out, like what he
was like one of those like Brandon roy type people.
Was just like, yeah, I don't know, his bodies just
(09:02):
not built for the grind. But like Kenny to your
point about finishing around the rim, like I didn't even
want him going to the basket in the footage from
like Davidson, like he couldn't finish around the rim at
the college level. His first game in college he had
twelve was that right? Twelvenote thirteen turnovers like he throughout
(09:25):
his career. He just like builds from a point of
looking like a child who like does not belong there.
It's really like one of the wildest things I've ever seen.
Like when I was a kid, I wrote an autobiography
of Mark Jackson because he was my favorite NBA player
when I was like seven years old, and I like
gave it to him, and the whole story was all
(09:45):
about like how he was so small growing up and
like everybody said he was like too tiny to play
basketball because I just like made it up because I
had only seen him next to like Patrick Ewing and stuff,
and he was like, actually, I was like normal size,
Like I was a pretty normal sized person, maybe like
a little bit above average height, and but like that
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that is going to be the case almost every time.
The fact that this dude was so little every time
he entered a new level and like so unprepared and
ended up being one of the best players in the
league and like somebody who completely changed how how we
think about the game. Like the Virginia Tech story is
(10:28):
so wild, Like he wanted to play for Virginia Tech.
That's where his parents went. Like colleges love to let
legacy admissions it. They loved that. They wouldn't give him
a spot on the team.
Speaker 6 (10:43):
His dad's jerseys and the Rafters.
Speaker 1 (10:46):
Jerseys and the Rafters and they were like, no, thank you, sir,
we've witnessed your game and like, no, it's not happening.
Like that's how much he changed, because it's like all
you can do is shoot, and it's like, yeah, that's
it's kind of important. Though pretty good skinny, you think
about it pretty good.
Speaker 4 (11:03):
Well, And it's like the other crazy part when you
add in not only was he so small, but he
wasn't particularly quick That's the other thing, like the fact
that that's a big part of his scouting report too.
I kind of understand teams being hesitant because it's like,
all right, you can be small, but you better be
alan iverson quick. You better be like breaking dudes off.
(11:26):
They can't stay with you when you're running off screens.
The guy's just exhausted. He can't keep up. But none
of that was true when he was younger, and now
I think of him as quick. But you know, like
that's like the first thing is Reggie Miller reading a
scouting report and you're like, yeah, he wasn't even considered quick,
Like that's mind blowing. Yeah, But in general, I will
(11:47):
say this, this kind of blows my mind.
Speaker 3 (11:50):
I feel like.
Speaker 4 (11:52):
Decision makers and shock collars be a college or NBA,
there's like a tendency to not want to overweight.
Speaker 3 (11:59):
Uh, this guy is the son of a guy who's
done this.
Speaker 4 (12:03):
Yeah, sometimes they overthink it and underweight it because it's like, like.
Speaker 3 (12:07):
To use the NFL as an example, you know, TJ.
Speaker 4 (12:09):
Watt when he was coming out in the draft, everyone
in the Watt family is like he's the best one,
and JJ Watt's like an all League defensive player.
Speaker 2 (12:18):
He's maybe the best player in the NFL at the time.
Speaker 4 (12:22):
Every one of the families like DJ is the guy.
And he still goes twenty third in the first round.
And I'm sitting there going what is everyone doing? And now,
of course he's an all pro pass rusher. It's like,
I know you don't want to overthink it, but the
DNA matters, and you know you've got the DNA and
you've had to coach your whole life. Yeah, a guy
(12:42):
who was known for being a great shooter was is
your father and your shooting coach.
Speaker 3 (12:47):
It's like, come on, take a chance on the kid.
I bet he'll figure it out.
Speaker 6 (12:50):
And it's one.
Speaker 5 (12:51):
It's one thing if like the guy has a reputation
for being a jerk or like, you know, difficult to
deal with. By all accounts, Steph was awesome. By all accounts,
he was like incredibly respectful. He grew up around the league. Look,
I'm with you, Kenny in terms of understanding why there
may have been some hesitance, But I will always say, Minnesota,
you pick two, you pick two point guards in that
(13:12):
same draft ahead, I don't care, And I don't mean
that as I don't want to be disparaging you. But
Johnny Flinkama and you know Ricky Ruveal, like, hey, you know,
all respect, he's had a great career. Well come on, man,
you had the opportunity twice and you.
Speaker 1 (13:25):
Said, yeah, you had two picks and you didn't go
with one flyer on the person who ended up changing
the league.
Speaker 2 (13:30):
Let's take a quick break. We'll come back.
Speaker 1 (13:31):
We're going to keep talking about this documentary and other stuff,
and we're back and just going to the point you
make Anny about him having like great shooter as a dad,
(13:53):
you get to see him go from shooting like the
way going into high school. I think it is his
as like he shoots from his waist like he should.
He releases from his belly button and you see a shot.
And that's actually always been a thing that I've thought
about with his shot, is that it's it's a much
lower release than you traditionally are told like you can
(14:13):
get away with in high level basketball. And it's it
it looks more like a kid's shot than you know,
the shots that you've traditionally seen that are like up
over the hairline, you know. But it's I don't know,
I had that moment, and I think it was middle school.
Speaker 2 (14:32):
I want.
Speaker 1 (14:32):
My dad was like, all right, you got to get
your shot like off of your chest and like up
above your headline.
Speaker 2 (14:39):
And I never made the uh never made that leap, folks.
Speaker 1 (14:43):
Both my shots, by the way, were ugly as hell,
so it was it was never gonna happen.
Speaker 2 (14:48):
But man, he uh.
Speaker 1 (14:50):
Just that that was like such a did you guys
ever have that where you like had to make that
conscious decision to like change your shot to like be
a higher release jack.
Speaker 5 (14:58):
I was five trying to play, you know, trying to
play against real players, So yes.
Speaker 6 (15:02):
I absolutely had to do that.
Speaker 5 (15:04):
And to your point, his shot looks like the shot
of a small guy that had to you know, figure
it out.
Speaker 6 (15:09):
So it's kind of like a fling.
Speaker 5 (15:11):
You'll far be in for me to criticize, but it
absolutely is a bit of a fling even.
Speaker 4 (15:16):
To Yeah, I had to play down low a lot.
And I was only six to two in high school
and I grew two inches in college and six four now.
But I studied Dirk like I if I was like,
if I'm going to be in the post, it's got
to be straight away. When I was I had like
a different shot in the post and then on the perimeter.
But by the end I was right at the eyebrow push. Yeah,
(15:39):
but it took it took a lot, man, It took
a lot to get there, because yeah, I was I
was like a heaver when I was young.
Speaker 2 (15:44):
Yeah on the head.
Speaker 3 (15:47):
Yeah man.
Speaker 4 (15:48):
And also real quick, just to your point about Virginia
Tech not wanting him, I was watching that and I
honestly think though that's probably the biggest blessing that could
have happened to him, is to go to a smaller
school to gain his confidence.
Speaker 3 (16:00):
Because dude, if you go.
Speaker 4 (16:01):
In that small to like that to the ACC, I mean,
I don't even know if he makes it to his
freshman year, you know, like you kind of its kind
of good.
Speaker 3 (16:10):
He has a leash to grow.
Speaker 4 (16:11):
Like I played with a kid that was an incredible
ball player, incredible high school player and went big time d.
Speaker 3 (16:16):
One and it was it was too much.
Speaker 4 (16:18):
It was like a lot, you know, and then he
transferred mid major and had a good career. But I
always wonder, like, you always want to go as big
as you can, but then sometimes it's not a bad
thing to go smaller.
Speaker 3 (16:29):
You have a little more leash. You have a little
more room to grow. The competition's not pushing you around
as much. You can gain your confidence, you.
Speaker 5 (16:36):
Know, piggybacking on that and jack to your point. Imagine
he has thirteen turnovers in his first game in the ACC.
Now I'm not saying it would have been to him,
but he might not have you know, it might not
have looked quite You might not have put thirty two
up in that very next game.
Speaker 1 (16:50):
Yeah, it helps, It helps your case, and it helps
your coach have confidence in you when the next option
isn't it is not like near the same level as you.
You know, I don't know, just stray thoughts. First of all,
I think we can now retire the this trope from documentaries.
(17:13):
You're shooting an empty chair, the person walks up, you
see them from behind, sit down for an interview, take
the take the iPad from you, and they say, all right,
you want to start that. That's how this opens. It's
Reggie Miller who's doing this sitting down. I don't know,
(17:33):
I'm over it, but it's like it obviously a.
Speaker 2 (17:36):
Very effective documentary. But that that was the.
Speaker 1 (17:38):
One moment where I was like, oh no, are we
what are we doing here.
Speaker 5 (17:43):
You thought they were running like a Windy's commercial before
the duck Reggie Popu.
Speaker 1 (17:48):
Yeah, I just I could have used more Reggie commentary.
It was funny how the twenty nineteen like it was
right around twenty nineteen where all of a sudden, the
takes start getting so much spicier, Like prior to that,
you have to like rely on interviews with his parents
to be like everybody called him a twerp and like
(18:09):
we're pushing him around, and then like twenty nineteen, all
of a sudden, the takes come in and they're like,
Steph Curry will never be in another NBA finals. This
guy isn't built for Like this is after he's won
three titles. Everything everyone's coming through him, dealing. Guy's just
not built. I don't like his body for the NBA.
(18:30):
It's just like, oh my god, you can build a
documentary that says anybody is an underdog at this point
from from now on.
Speaker 4 (18:40):
Yeah, without a doubt, I'm sure you could find footage
you could put together like no, no one said Lebron
James could make it. You could definitely, you could definitely
find plenty of footage of like Steven a smith being,
Like I don't think he's he's he ain't a leader.
Speaker 5 (18:54):
Yeah, do you guys remember that one Kobe commercial. Uh,
it was probably like four or five. Specifically, it was
like it was like him reading or it was a
voice reading off like headlines that involved him, like basically
detractors and doubters and things of that nature. That's the
vibe that I got when I was watching this documentary
(19:15):
because I always, foolishly initially used to think, like you're
the great, You're like one of the greats to ever
do this, Like why do you care? But it's only
now that I realized, like those guys still need that
as motivation and as as as much as you know,
we see them as or you know, not maybe not
you guys, but I sometimes have seen guys as like
superheroes when it comes to the things that they're able
to do. You know, from a physical standpoint, they're still
(19:36):
human beings that hear all of those all of those
criticisms and read all of those stories.
Speaker 6 (19:41):
So I don't know, to me, it was it was
kind of inspirational.
Speaker 5 (19:44):
It was one of those like he's like one of us,
Like as I you know, it normalized him as opposed to,
you know, being annoying.
Speaker 6 (19:52):
I guess I could say, yeah.
Speaker 1 (19:54):
The watching his workouts, like you really do get to
get a feeling that you're like getting to watch watch
him build his game like brick by brick and watching
his workouts. I mean that that's something that people like
show up hours early for the game to watch. But
like that was something I could have used more workout footage,
like just like watching him like do that thing where
he like bounces off one foot and does like a
(20:17):
step back that covers five feet and then like nails of.
Speaker 2 (20:20):
Three Like that was so fun. I could watch that
for hours.
Speaker 1 (20:25):
Like that I could have used more just him casually
making like three quarter court shots, just because that's a
unique superpower that he has.
Speaker 5 (20:36):
Did you notice at one point they he was just
casually shooting a half court left handed three pointers, like
just just to do it and sinking them. But during
that workout, at one point in the footage, he's just like, Okay.
Speaker 6 (20:46):
Let me just shoot a couple lefties. Just ridiculous.
Speaker 1 (20:50):
Yeah, I think part of the trick of the movie
is covering up the fact that this this man has
an actual superpower and has since he was a child, Like, Yeah,
being able to make threes with your left is no joke.
Speaker 2 (21:04):
Have you seen his golf swing?
Speaker 1 (21:05):
Like it's just the most perfect, Like it's better looking
than any golf swing that you've seen on the PGA Tour.
Speaker 2 (21:11):
It's so beautiful.
Speaker 6 (21:12):
Well, I mean, that's that's just until Chuck.
Speaker 4 (21:15):
What's really crazy too? And I was talking to this,
I was talking to my boy about this. And to
be clear before I say this, I'm not a Lebron hater.
You know there's a lot of Lebron haters out there.
I am not a Lebron hatre. But you could argue
that Steph changed the game in a way that Lebron
did not. Leron is amazing, But it's not like he's
the first tall point guard, you know, like we've seen
(21:37):
magic before.
Speaker 3 (21:39):
He's an elite athlete to the level that we've never seen.
Speaker 4 (21:43):
But when Lebron started playing, I wasn't like, oh, I've
never seen this, Like he reminded me of Scottie Pippen,
you know what I mean. It was like, okay, big
point forward athlete, two way player, elite defender.
Speaker 3 (21:55):
But I've seen that, not on Lebron's level, but I've
seen it.
Speaker 4 (21:58):
Steph like he there's a reason NBA has played the
way it is now, and it was because the Warriors.
Speaker 3 (22:05):
Showed teams what spacing can do.
Speaker 4 (22:09):
And that's when now everybody has to shoot threes, everybody
has to clear out. To me, that's traced back to
step and like, oh, we have to guard this guy
as soon as across his half court and then the
space that creates everybody else. And yeah, it's insane that
he started off as this, Like could he even make
a team?
Speaker 3 (22:28):
Right?
Speaker 2 (22:28):
Yeah, exactly, it's yeah.
Speaker 1 (22:31):
He I feel like he changed the game more than
anyone since like Luel Center, like whoever, Like like everything changed,
and then you know Kream comes in, everybody is like
being center oriented and then for.
Speaker 2 (22:45):
All like decades, that's the that's the plan.
Speaker 1 (22:48):
You got to do that, and like he's completely reoriented everything.
I will say, as as a Lebron lover, when he
went against Detroit early on, I forget what year was
in his career. I think it was like second or
third year and then like was just getting to the
rim on the best defensive team in the league every
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single time. That to me felt like, oh, we are
witnessing something that is different than I've I've seen anyone
do at this level, Like in like I've seen people
go to the rim and dunk, I've not seen it
be like this consistently. Just he can get to the
rim and dunk with both hands like every time. Was
one of the craziest things. But it didn't reorient how
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people played the game and like game planned for the
next season, right.
Speaker 4 (23:36):
And that's all I mean, Like, yeah, totally, I'm tired
of the Lebron hat takes.
Speaker 3 (23:40):
The guy has earned our respect. If you're a.
Speaker 4 (23:42):
Hoophead, yeah, you can critique him all you want. That's
what it comes with the territory being an all time great.
But enough the guy. The guy's unbelievable. But again, I
just and you already said it, I just think Steff
changed the way the game is played.
Speaker 3 (23:57):
It's remarkable, it really.
Speaker 6 (23:59):
Is, if you think about it.
Speaker 5 (24:01):
I mean, we can look at Lebron and you know,
as much as we want, we can't duplicate that.
Speaker 6 (24:06):
The belief that comes with you know, like if you're a.
Speaker 5 (24:08):
Kid watching the game, you might you'll think Lebron is
incredit you might think these, you know, the big guys
are incredible, But all of a sudden, you see this
little guy, whether he's six two or not six two
and three quarters or whatever the case may be, you
see this little guy out there just flinging it up
and you'll, you know, dipping in and somehow you'll you'll
you'll finding his way like all over the court. And
it's like and it's like, hey, I could probably do that,
or I could possibly do that even if I can't.
Speaker 6 (24:30):
So I totally understand that.
Speaker 3 (24:32):
And also the idea that you can add to your game,
like just.
Speaker 4 (24:35):
Because you come into the league because of your one skill,
which is shooting. I mean, I remember early in his
career they were like, Steph's not a point guard, he's
a shooting guard. And you watch him now franking Ankles,
no look passes. I mean, he's not going to lead
the league in assist but he doesn't have to. Yeah,
but he's a legitimate point guard. He's a legitimate three
level score and he came into the league as a
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three point specialist.
Speaker 3 (24:57):
That's it. You know, you can add to your game.
Speaker 4 (25:00):
Yeah, it also makes you wonder like some of these
guys that come up with more talent, It's like, is
it a work ethic thing? Because you have access to
the same shooting coaches like to me working on your jumper.
Like guys that come to the NBA and never get
better at shooting, I'm like, what have you been doing?
Or like your free throw percentage doesn't increase at all
throughout your career.
Speaker 3 (25:19):
I'm like, how is that even possible?
Speaker 4 (25:21):
Yeah, yeah, at the end of practice you just you know,
shoot a hundred free throws or whatever. It's like it's inconceivable, honestly,
But I.
Speaker 1 (25:27):
Think there is a piece of staff that is missing
from this that is like, you know, Katie, there's a
good scene where Kadie comes to as the celebration party
they throw after like he breaks the all time you know.
It opens with him breaking the all time three point
shooting record, you know, halfway through his career, and then
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there's a party afterwards. Katie shows up and he's like,
I thought you were this little white kid when I
met you, like ten years ago.
Speaker 2 (25:55):
I walked into a gym and.
Speaker 1 (25:56):
There's this little wite kid, Like, but he's making threes
from half court at that point, So like, I really
think that there is a like it's not it's like
having touch from sixty feet is like a weird thing
that we're just like, man, he must have practiced that
a lot.
Speaker 2 (26:13):
But it does feel like that is something that we don't.
Speaker 1 (26:16):
Necessarily think about as like a inherent ability, but it
is like something that he has and has had, like
from early on.
Speaker 4 (26:26):
He's got to have like he's got to have like
the most elite depth perception, true and coordination. That's and
that's that people don't talk about that, and I coordination
is a big one. You can be an elite, ask
ye have that.
Speaker 5 (26:41):
Yeah, Well that one workout that they showed, you know,
right before the shooting, where he's doing like the two
tennis balls, he's catching it, he's crossing over catching the
tennis ball, throwing it with the other hand, all of
that type of stuff where while I get it, like
there are people that can do that, he's doing it.
Speaker 6 (26:55):
He's doing it with such ease. It it makes sense
that he can do these things.
Speaker 4 (27:00):
And those are the those are the skills that I think,
you know, your average fan doesn't notice. Right, It's the
same thing with Lebron. It's like you look at Lebron,
you see this elite athlete. You know, the quickness, the
jump thing, the strength, but it's the mental process. Like
everyone who's ever played with Lebron, it's like the guy
just sees the game differently. I think Steph is Steph is.
It's it's one thing to be able to stretch the
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floor like that, it's another to be able to say, Okay,
guys have to guard me at half court. So here's
what that does to the defense. So I'm thinking two
steps ahead, I'm gonna whip it to Draymond and I'm
gonna cut and I'm gonna come out the other side
because there's so spaced out, I'm gonna get a shot
on this way, like he sees the game and that
Lebron level. I'm a couple of steps ahead of all
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of you, and I'm aware of what me being on
the floor does I know how to use it? And
that's like that's like the next step, right.
Speaker 1 (27:51):
Yeah, it's it's cool. Uh Like basically no notes for
this documentary, though, I think people should go check it out.
Actually if you're a Steph skeptic or.
Speaker 4 (28:01):
Even another example, if you'll indulge me with another example,
it's like when Shaq added passing. It's like once Shack
became aware every time I touched the ball, three guys
are going to come running at me, and Shaq started
being able to hit those no look passes that you know.
Our vetus was like that, like it's just like a
different obviously now, but it's like being aware of your
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impact on the defense and then what to do about that,
I think is a different evolution. Yes, I agree, this
documentary is unreal so good.
Speaker 3 (28:29):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (28:29):
Hey, speaking of things that people should go watch. On
August seventeenth, there's there's this special coming out on YouTube
called Don't You Know Who I Am? And this isn't
me letting you go. This is me making up for
the fact that I forgot to mention this up top.
You have a special coming out and you talk Coop Center.
Is this correct, Kenny?
Speaker 4 (28:49):
I do, yes, Yes. So I grew up playing I
played AAU as a kid. I played, I started on
my varsity team in high school, and then I played
two years in college as a walk on.
Speaker 3 (29:00):
That's how you become a comedian, which I say is special.
Speaker 4 (29:03):
But I opened the special, I tell a story about
the time I had to guard Tyler Hansbrow one on
one in a high school active and uh, and it
went about as well as you would think. And uh,
and I kind of trace back me starting comedy to
that moment, yeah, and realizing that I an't like those
guys and uh, and so you and I. There's like
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two actual basketball stories out of the book. D of
the special in the middle is kind of me talking
about the uh, post athletic drop off that a lot
of athletes feel and experience. And I felt like was
something that needed to be talked about. You know, there's
a lot of like, you know, you have this thing
and it's all your energy, all your focus. It gives
you all these dopamine hits, and then that's just taken
(29:49):
away one day, and no one prepares you for life after.
And I think a lot of guys get in a
lot of trouble, uh, drugs, alcohol, those things become really
kind of fill that void.
Speaker 3 (30:00):
And I started talking. I started telling these jokes, and
I really felt like I was striking.
Speaker 4 (30:04):
A nerve because a number of people that were coming
up to me after the show being like, Dude, my cousin,
my brother, and my sister that you know that, yeah,
no one.
Speaker 3 (30:11):
I can't believe no one's talked about that.
Speaker 4 (30:13):
Yeah, you know, and I've lost a couple buddies and
to drugs, and when you talk to people afterwards, it's like, yeah,
I just don't think he ever moved on.
Speaker 3 (30:22):
You never found that next thing. So the special is
kind of about.
Speaker 4 (30:25):
Like putting it to bed and finding your next love
and finding a place to put that energy is basically
what it is.
Speaker 2 (30:31):
So that sounds cool, man, that sounds awesome. Everybody should
go check it out.
Speaker 1 (30:35):
Yeah, I mean I needed to check it out because
I mean, I, okay, I'll be honest. After my high
school career, I was just in a better mood because
I was like getting dunked on by Dan ged Zurich less,
So I don't identify at all. That was That was
my psychot encounter was I was like, all right, I'm
going to body up Dan good Zurich and I got bodied.
Speaker 5 (30:59):
In fair and see you guys, Dan Gadsey reach if
I'm not mistaken as a legit seven footer and Tyler
six eight year old, that's exactly that.
Speaker 6 (31:07):
But those were those are some pretty rough, rough matchups. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (31:11):
No, I said this in the story and it's true.
So the point where I wonder if my coach got
paid off because Roy Williams was there watching the dad
and I swear to god, my coach said he made
me guard him one on one and he was like,
no help, they have shooters on the perimeter. And I
was like, so I literally got put on an island
in front of Roy Williams and I was like, wow,
just serving me up, like a yeah.
Speaker 2 (31:31):
All right, I guess I'm not playing for you NC.
Speaker 3 (31:34):
Thank you, Yeah, thanks coach.
Speaker 4 (31:37):
So yeah, man, Dan Gadzurich, that's a good one, man,
those are my favorite stories. I love when I find
out people who like, who's the best guy to dunked
on you? Because there's always one, There's always one really
bad one.
Speaker 2 (31:48):
Yeah. I just kept getting getting up.
Speaker 1 (31:51):
I was I was thinking of the movie Rocky instead
of like Hoop Dreams. I was just like, you know what,
at the end of this, I'm gonna be stronger, and
instead my teammates just couldn't make eye contact with me
for the rest of the season.
Speaker 5 (32:05):
If it makes you, guys feel better, you guys got
dunked on by NBA players. I've been dunked on by
you know, guys have been overseas and you know I've
been by everyone. Man.
Speaker 4 (32:14):
It feels just the same clear, I've been dunked on
by just the nicest dude at the Why yeah.
Speaker 1 (32:24):
Yeah, been dunked on by I was like, oh my god,
I've never dunked before.
Speaker 2 (32:28):
That was wild.
Speaker 6 (32:30):
At the end of White k he finally catches it.
It's you.
Speaker 2 (32:35):
That's right.
Speaker 1 (32:36):
All right, We're gonna take a quick break, and Kenny,
when we come back, we are going to enter the
danger zone, the fastest segment in podcasting.
Speaker 2 (32:48):
Hold on to your butts.
Speaker 1 (32:49):
Hold on to your hats if you're wearing them, because
they're gonna be spinning around, both your butt and your hat.
Speaker 2 (32:56):
We'll be right back.
Speaker 1 (33:06):
And we are back and all Kenny, Kenny, Kenny, Kenny, Kenny.
Speaker 6 (33:12):
I don't think he's ready.
Speaker 2 (33:13):
You've really stepped in at this time. Friend. This is
the rapid fire segment.
Speaker 1 (33:18):
This is where Jabari and I are just fireing questions
at you, like so many tennis balls and basketballs and
Stepf's workout drill and you've just got to juggle them.
And the other thing we're gonna be doing is like
being really bad at keeping this moving. And that is
not a design flaw. That is because I'm bad at
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keeping things moving as a podcaster. So you're just gonna
have to keep us on track and the segment starts
right now.
Speaker 2 (33:48):
Brian, could you start the clock please?
Speaker 6 (33:50):
Wait wait wait wait, I don't don't. I don't think
he's gonna hear you. I don't think he's gonna hear
what you say? It like that.
Speaker 2 (33:58):
Yeah, he is all the way across the room, you know,
want to you, Brian? Wow? All right, all right, Kenny.
Speaker 1 (34:08):
We're asking each guest which young player will have a
breakout season in twenty twenty three twenty four, as we
saw with Steph. You know, sometimes that means this is
suddenly their team's year. Some of the guys that have
been tossed around time Maxie, I've been noticing a lot
of people dropping the wreaths just time, Maxie. Maybe that's
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gonna turn things around for the Philadelphia seventy six ers.
Kate Cunningham, al Shan Goon, Austin Reeves.
Speaker 2 (34:39):
Is it too early to say? Webbing Yama? Probably Scoot?
Who Who do we think?
Speaker 1 (34:46):
Who do you think is gonna have a season where
all of a sudden this is the only person anybody
can talk about.
Speaker 4 (34:53):
I'm gonna go with Jalen Green. I like what the
Rockets did a lot of wow. But I think I
think giving him Fred Van Vliet to take a lot
of the pressure because his issue has.
Speaker 3 (35:04):
Been efficiency in turnovers.
Speaker 4 (35:05):
But otherwise he's already scoring in the twenties and I
think Van Vliet helps him. I know Dylan Brooks is
a knucklehead, but he's also a second team All NBA
player yep. And you know, people kind of right off
Dylan Brooks, I get it. But you know another great
defender that was a total knucklehead and then found new
life with a new team, Metal world Piece maybe ye.
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So sometimes the change of scenery helps guys like that.
And I think the attitude that makes Dylan Brooks a
knucklehead is why he's a great defender.
Speaker 3 (35:34):
I also like Kevin Porter Junior off the bench.
Speaker 4 (35:36):
So now the Rockets suddenly like you kind of got
better positions with Van Vleet because you slide him to
sixth man, where I think you just let him cook
off the bench, and the Rockets are so bad. People
don't realize Kevin Porter Junior average twenty five and five
last year. I know that because of Fantasy basketball, Like
that's the player. Then you got you got Tarry Easton
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now coming off the bench, who I love. Jabarie Smith
was the star of Summer League, which I know is
just Summer League, but he's got potential to be an
All NBA defender. So you got Damn Fleets a good defender,
Brooks was a good defender. Smith's was a good defender,
and Shangoon Jalen Green finally has a team around him,
and the talent is undeniable. The guy's unreal. And I
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think the Rockets are going to surprise people, and I
think they're going to make the Playing Game Playing Tournament.
Speaker 3 (36:24):
I think Jayalen Green is going to be a big
reason why.
Speaker 2 (36:27):
It's funny.
Speaker 3 (36:27):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (36:28):
Jabari and I were at Summer League and I remember
he turned to me and he said, is Jabari Smith
junior even out there?
Speaker 2 (36:37):
This guy stinks?
Speaker 1 (36:38):
And then he put thirty points hung thirty on Jabari's head.
And that is not a story that I just changed
from being about me to being about Jabari.
Speaker 2 (36:50):
That that Actually here's the other thing too.
Speaker 6 (36:51):
You know.
Speaker 2 (36:53):
I said that I said this guy that you.
Speaker 3 (36:57):
Crime.
Speaker 2 (36:58):
It was melmost like you've done this.
Speaker 6 (37:00):
That's where I was going with it.
Speaker 5 (37:01):
I was not slandering, but no, I was right there
with Jack saying like, and then all of a sudden
he hit four threes in a row and said, shut
up to both of us.
Speaker 6 (37:09):
Yeah, from way up top.
Speaker 2 (37:11):
We were screaming it from the rafters.
Speaker 6 (37:13):
But I don't know if you heard this instruction at
the top.
Speaker 5 (37:17):
You're supposed to keep us going, so like, if we
start to deviate or we start to talk about some
other stuff, you have to snap us back in the line.
Speaker 6 (37:24):
And if okay, well excuse me. So Also Jack.
Speaker 5 (37:29):
Mentioned earlier that we're going to be firing you know,
you know, questions at you. I'm more of the pea
shooter from Harlem Knights. I'm that third guy with just
a little pop pop, so here you go.
Speaker 2 (37:39):
And I'm more of a pew pew pew there it is. Yeah,
what so.
Speaker 5 (37:43):
Would you make if you If if you were all.
Speaker 2 (37:48):
Right, I was going to be his answer, I wouldn't
have even asked the damn question.
Speaker 6 (37:53):
And okay, all.
Speaker 5 (37:56):
Right, Well, if you can have any player skill set
for a date, who's and what skill set would it be?
Speaker 3 (38:04):
I would want to know what it's like to dunk
like Zach Levine.
Speaker 4 (38:10):
Oh, I want to know what that feels like, I mean,
I used to be able to dunk a little bit,
and that even that I still dream about it. I
still dream that I'm flying through the air, which I
wasn't even flying through the air, because you know what
it is to float like that.
Speaker 3 (38:24):
Come on, let me, let me, let me have it
one time.
Speaker 6 (38:26):
Who are you dunking on? Nobody ever asked this, That's
what I want to know. Who you're dunking on?
Speaker 3 (38:30):
And I'm dunking on I'm dunking on Rudy Gobert and
saying that's for COVID.
Speaker 6 (38:39):
Wow, that's what I'm saying, So jack on my shoulders.
Speaker 1 (38:43):
That would be fun to dunk on people on people's
shoulders and just have them explode apart, like powerful dunk.
Speaker 3 (38:51):
I'm dunking on you, Miles and Jabbari in a trench coat.
Speaker 6 (38:54):
There it is, there it is.
Speaker 1 (38:56):
I definitely have a new answer to this question now
that I've watched Underrated, because I feel like like there
are parts in that documentary where they cut together so
many like mistakes and like turnovers and missshots that you like,
forget what you've watched up to that point. You're like,
does this guy stink? Is just Steph Curry. Did I
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make up the past five years where he's like one
of the best players in the league.
Speaker 2 (39:21):
I think he's holding back on us.
Speaker 1 (39:23):
Like I think if I was Steph Curry for a day,
I would just try some things out, like throw a
football into like I feel like he would be the
king of dude perfect shots, timely ref that all the
kids are.
Speaker 2 (39:37):
Still talking about.
Speaker 1 (39:38):
But I feel like he could threat like thread an
actual needle with thread from like a football field away.
Like he's just not revealing that he has a literal
superpower because he doesn't want us to know. Anyways, you're
supposed to keep me on.
Speaker 4 (39:55):
Trash more quiet, all right, come on, hit me.
Speaker 1 (40:02):
You can take two players from all of history to
create your Mad Boosti's edition NBA Jam team, which should
be coming. I mean the league has heard this segment.
I gotta think that's coming pretty soon. But which two
players are you taking?
Speaker 3 (40:17):
Steph Curry and Shaquille O Neil.
Speaker 1 (40:19):
It's the correct the correct answer. Yes, I've said this before.
It's that that's the right answer. I'm sorry, folks, that's
the answer.
Speaker 6 (40:29):
That's fair. That's fair. Let's keep this going a little bit.
Speaker 3 (40:31):
Yeah, let's go, come on, come on, Ultimate.
Speaker 6 (40:33):
Peak, Prime t MAC or prime Paul George.
Speaker 4 (40:37):
Wow, I'm gonna say t MAC because I don't feel
like people are as disappointed at him as there Paul George.
There's a lot of questions with Paul George. There's a
lot of like does he have it? I never heard
anyone suggest that t MAC disappears in the playoffs. I'll
say that I never heard that brought up and so.
Speaker 3 (41:01):
Managing.
Speaker 6 (41:02):
Yeah, the second round said it about t MAC. But
that's not the right there.
Speaker 4 (41:05):
That's a good point. Maybe we just didn't expect it
from t MAC. Maybe the expectations were lower.
Speaker 1 (41:10):
But yeah, I think it's that thing with like twenty
nineteen and that's when the spicy takes come in the documentary.
It's like, all of a sudden you have people being
like Steph Curry is bad at basketball. I think like
it's harder to be a player, or maybe easier because
you get so much more motivational material.
Speaker 4 (41:29):
But you know what, I will say this hold on.
I had to think about it first second. That was
a rapid fire. Paul George is also in his peak,
he was like a true two way player, and I
don't remember t mac ever being known for his defense.
Speaker 3 (41:40):
So Paul George final.
Speaker 6 (41:42):
Answer there it is.
Speaker 2 (41:44):
I think it's the right answer.
Speaker 1 (41:45):
We recently, speaking of Steph, we recently got his all
time top five. It was Magic Johnson at point guard,
Michael Jordan at shooting guard, Larry Bird at small forward.
But then he revised that because he has been on
the internet to Kobe Bryant at small forward, Tim Duncan
and power forward, and a Shaquille O'Neal at center. Uh,
are you making any revisions to that starting five?
Speaker 4 (42:07):
Someone's got to be able to shoot a three? I mean,
what are we just going to clog the lane? Come on,
give me, give me Larry. We were We're like, yeah,
I know we respect for Kobe, but you got to
have somebody stretching the floor, bro.
Speaker 6 (42:19):
Come on, yeah, especially in today's game.
Speaker 3 (42:22):
Yeah, Michael and Kobe are redundant.
Speaker 4 (42:24):
You just put the same You put Michael Jordan and
then a Michael Jordan cover band on the same floor.
Speaker 1 (42:30):
Maybe you haven't been on the internet. Mentioned he listened.
Speaker 3 (42:39):
He was unbelievable at it, and I don't blame him.
Speaker 4 (42:44):
Of course, you want to be like I wanted to
do but you know I need someone to shoot a
three jack.
Speaker 2 (42:49):
Do you have a fun I would put Steph out there?
Speaker 6 (42:52):
Yep.
Speaker 2 (42:53):
I think I put Steph out.
Speaker 1 (42:54):
There, uh at two, put m J at three, or
you know, put Steph at one, put MJ at two.
Uh and yeah, maybe Steph Steph at one, m J two,
Lebron at three.
Speaker 2 (43:07):
The Lebron Lebron needs to be out there.
Speaker 3 (43:10):
Man. Yeah, just respect to magic. But there's your point forward.
Speaker 2 (43:13):
Yeah, you know that's gonna help.
Speaker 3 (43:15):
We're good play making. Yeah, we're solid.
Speaker 2 (43:17):
And I might go dream at center.
Speaker 3 (43:20):
I like it. Yeah, yeah, man.
Speaker 4 (43:23):
And just which Tim Duncan just came up. I'm so
excited that Wendy went to San Antonio and Tim Duncan
is on the staff. Is just going to teach Wendy
to be seven to Tim Duncan.
Speaker 3 (43:34):
And you can already shoot. It's preposterous. What's about to happen.
Speaker 2 (43:37):
It's gonna be so fun.
Speaker 6 (43:42):
Last question, sure is the most important one? Himmy Jack?
Where JABORI?
Speaker 4 (43:50):
Oh, okay, so I know a little bit. All right,
what you played Jabar? You're five to ten. You're a
point guard.
Speaker 6 (43:56):
I was a five teen point power forward.
Speaker 4 (43:58):
Okay, So you're like a five ten Draymond, You're gonna
give you think basically check what are you bringing at
the table?
Speaker 1 (44:04):
I was like a six to one Draymond couldn't shoot
worth Ship, but would defend and let Dan Gedzerig dunk
on me until he was exhausted. I was like ropidoping him.
I was like, surely he's gonna get tired of dunking
on me. That's not in no way an energizing thing.
Speaker 3 (44:23):
Right, Yeah, maybe if I go fetal position, he'll feel
bad for me.
Speaker 2 (44:29):
Have I sold myself?
Speaker 3 (44:30):
Uh? Yeah? The jumper smooth, My jumpers nice.
Speaker 6 (44:34):
That's one thing I can tell you. That's one thing
I can think.
Speaker 3 (44:36):
I'm taking.
Speaker 2 (44:38):
What are you talking about shooting on this team?
Speaker 3 (44:41):
Bro?
Speaker 1 (44:41):
You don't want my wreaky ass jumper and but but
I play defense and I always make the right pass.
Speaker 4 (44:50):
Even if you can't shoot. I want guys on my
team that say they can shoot. I want delusional confidence, Yeah,
I want I want I want you coming in going
for ten and being like, yo, pass me to ball,
I'm hit me.
Speaker 6 (45:01):
I'm trying to go over over nineteen.
Speaker 3 (45:05):
Yeah, I got get searched for.
Speaker 6 (45:06):
I want them right there.
Speaker 1 (45:08):
My free throw like routine before what I would shrug
my shoulders and be like, I'm not getting even make it. Anyways,
I did that before every free throw that was That
was just.
Speaker 6 (45:19):
I actually believe that you did that. That's funny.
Speaker 2 (45:23):
What's the fucking point? Oh sorry?
Speaker 1 (45:26):
Yeah, anyways, Kenny DeForrest Uh truly a pleasure. We've been
excited to have you on Boosties for a long time
and you did not disappoint sir. We'll have to have
you back on again soon. Where can people see you? Uh,
find you, follow you all that good stuff.
Speaker 3 (45:43):
So I'm on I'm on Instagram. I prefer Instagram.
Speaker 4 (45:47):
I just feel like if you're trying to follow an artist,
it's kind of the most like you're actually going to
see me promoting my shows. I do have a TikTok
I pust a lot of videos there. The special comes
out the seventeenth of August, and I'm going to do
a lot stream on YouTube, like a live release on
YouTube where you can watch it with me and comment,
ask questions, and I'll be on I'll be answering those.
So that pink is not quite live yet, but once
(46:10):
it is, the best way to see that will be
on Instagram.
Speaker 3 (46:13):
I might be back on Twitter one day, we'll see.
Speaker 4 (46:15):
But for now, I'm just trying to focus my efforts
on those couple so that I can still have some
energy to like write jokes and stuff just on the
on my phone all day.
Speaker 3 (46:24):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (46:26):
Yeah, I don't know what your problem is with Twitter.
We love it here at mad Boosti's.
Speaker 2 (46:33):
Just killing it, literally destroying, literally destroying it. All right.
Speaker 1 (46:40):
You can find me on Twitter at Jack Underscore O'Brien
and on threads where I am. I'm not very active
on Twitter. I'm even less active on threads, but I
am there at Jack Underscore, Oh Underscore, Bryan Jabari, where
can people find you?
Speaker 6 (46:55):
You could find me, of course on the Twitter Jabori
Davis NBA.
Speaker 5 (46:59):
You can find Miles of course at at Miles of Gray.
Speaker 6 (47:02):
Yeah, not sure about his grades.
Speaker 2 (47:04):
Yeah, he's there in both places here. We are all right.
That is going to do it for this episode of
Mad Boosties.
Speaker 1 (47:10):
We are back next week to talk more NBA, and
we will talk to all then bye, goodbye,
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