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Speaker 1 (00:05):
She brought these dusty ass cookies over and I remember
I took a bite and I was like, this ship
is just trash ba something is it's? It had like
it had taken on the taste of being in like
like as if it was sat next to celery for
fucking five weeks or some shit. Wow, it was the
weirdest taste for like a triple chocolate cookie. Like You're like, brother,
(00:26):
this should not be That's not a good combo.
Speaker 2 (00:29):
Hell, triple chocolate with celery is not what I'm looking for.
Do you think it was Do you think it was
stored next to celery? Is that what it taken on
the taste?
Speaker 1 (00:39):
And also it was in a bag inside a bag
because the original bag had torn and they didn't rebag
it and then rebag it. You gotta rebag, I texted regift,
you gotta rebag. So what the fuck is up with
these cookies. She's like, oh, yeah, yeah, she they got
him in August or something, but she wasn't eating them,
so I thought you'd want it. And I'm like, cause
you didn't want it to fuck it, I'm like, how
long did you have She's like like maybe a week
or something. She didn't want to make it a way around.
(01:01):
She brings her She brings her old food and puts
it in my refrigerator that she doesn't want to throw away.
Speaker 2 (01:06):
I feel like they probably had like three conversations about
those cookies, like yeah, like I don't know, maybe Miles,
do you think, Miles? Maybe Miles?
Speaker 1 (01:15):
Yeah, yeah, he smokes weed. He won't even know. These
shits are two months old.
Speaker 2 (01:25):
Hello the Internet, and welcome to season three point fifty nine,
Episode three.
Speaker 1 (01:29):
Of Derney's I Guys Stay production of iHeartRadio. This is
a podcast where we take a deep dive.
Speaker 2 (01:35):
Into America's shared consciousness.
Speaker 1 (01:38):
And it is Wednesday, October ninth.
Speaker 2 (01:40):
Twenty twenty four, ten nine eighty four, seven six spots.
Speaker 1 (01:47):
So it starts elections, like what twenty something days away?
Speaker 2 (01:51):
Boy, I don't want to talk about that, Miles on
this news podcast.
Speaker 1 (01:55):
Well, let's focus on what today is done. At October ninth,
National Moldie Cheese Day. It's also National Curves Day. It's
also National bring your teddy bear to work or school Day,
National take your parents to Lunch Day, and National Emergency
Nurses Day. Shout out everybody who's keeping people alive.
Speaker 2 (02:13):
We were talking about moldy something or other, you know,
but before Sam even joined us.
Speaker 1 (02:19):
But I still like, don't feel like so.
Speaker 2 (02:22):
We're talking two and a half months on some cookies.
Speaker 1 (02:26):
We're bringing that up. Yeah, I don't know. It just
doesn't feel that bad to me. Don't.
Speaker 2 (02:31):
And it's not the fact that they were stored with
the celery I think is what.
Speaker 1 (02:36):
It's not the only thing that fucked it up. You
have to look at it this way. This was a
like artisanally baked cookie. It does not have like the
preservatives to give it an extended shelf life, maybe past
the five days after it's been baked, you know what
I mean. Like it was like one of those gift basket. Yes,
he was like in a cellophane with a ribbon on it.
This was some high end hit, you know what I mean.
(02:57):
This wasn't. I'll man, I'm sorry Jack you. I'll dig
them out of the trash and I'll drive them over
to your house. And I mean, I don't dare want
them out of the trash. I'm just saying, like, I'm
kind of with your mom on this one. I would
have bought the cookies over and thought I was doing
you a solid okay, all right, all right, anyways, all right,
my name is a shout out to moldy cheese, which
(03:20):
I will I have in the case of American cheese,
I think it. I think for me it has to
be American cheese.
Speaker 2 (03:25):
But if there's like a piece of mold on a
slice of American cheese, I will pull the mold piece
off of the slice of American cheese and then consume
the rest of Americans.
Speaker 1 (03:35):
How are you like you're talking about like cracked singles. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
you're you're holding on the craft singles to the point
that the mold is getting in the cell of phane.
I know. It's like science.
Speaker 2 (03:49):
Yeah, that's too Yeah, just anyway, Yeah, I'm revealing too
much right now. My name's Jack O'Brien aka Potatoes O'Brien
aka Banjo Eric or aka rick E Banjo. You can
go the other way, you know, like a chuck e cheese. Yes, yes,
band entertainment band, Ricky Banjo, Rick Entertainment Banjo. We're we're
(04:12):
distant cousins, me and Charles Entertainment Cheese. I'm thrilled to
be joined as always by my co host, mister Miles Gras.
Speaker 1 (04:19):
Yes, It's Miles Gray coming live to you from the
eight one eight, also known as the Lord of Lancasham,
the Showgun with no gun and occasionally no buns because
I do have podcasters, but that I am struggling with
every day. But I am on the bike. We're just
rejuvenating my backside. So it's just.
Speaker 2 (04:37):
Achilles tendon right up to the back to your back, this.
Speaker 1 (04:43):
Disarray. No no buns, it's not that bad. It's not
that bad.
Speaker 2 (04:48):
But you know, sir, mix a lot would not want
none because there are no buns.
Speaker 1 (04:53):
No, not here, none detected. But hey, look you when
you're forty, you gotta you gotta focus on that detective.
Focus on that part. You have to focus. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (05:01):
Anyways, we are thrilled, Miles to be joined by a journalist,
a podcast host who you know is one of the
hosts of Vibe Check and the host the host of
the Sam Sanders Show.
Speaker 1 (05:14):
Because it's Sam Sander.
Speaker 3 (05:18):
I love this. Welcome there, Thank you'll, thank y'all for
having me. It's so nice to loving the.
Speaker 1 (05:25):
Energy we have to bring our a game because you
are a first rate podcast one of the show, you
know what I mean.
Speaker 3 (05:32):
We're too kind we're writing here, but I've been thinking
about cheese as all were talking. Can we count blue
cheese as moldy cheese, in which case moldy cheese, blue
cheese exquisite?
Speaker 1 (05:43):
What about roque Fort? Who is that? That's the that's
the level up? How do I saw her name?
Speaker 3 (05:51):
R r o q u e f o R t
roke high falutin? You are high faluten I like the
I like cheese. I like stinky ass cheese. I'm not
gonna lie saying the funkier the better.
Speaker 1 (06:04):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (06:06):
I want like a little crumple of blue cheese on
like a Trader Joe's, the little crackers with like raisins
in them, and you drizzle a little honey.
Speaker 1 (06:14):
Ye Sam, we gotta yeah, let's have a cheese party. Yeah,
I'm ready, I'm ready. I'm absolutely ready.
Speaker 2 (06:23):
Yeah the Hollywood Bowl, you know, with that little.
Speaker 1 (06:27):
Oh yeah, yeah yeah, bring out some crackers, some nice
cheese while you're watching the Justice concerts. I was there,
was it. It was pretty.
Speaker 3 (06:37):
Let me tell you something, we all picked the wrong
career and this is no shade on the skills of
Justice as DJs. But I will say their live set
they stand in one place for two hours, the lights move,
everyone else is dancing. You feel alive and in it.
But those dudes get to just stand up. I want
that job.
Speaker 1 (06:56):
I want that job. It's a gig and then you
just have to I mean it's it is kind of
like another job too, where it's like, oh look busy, now,
look busy, look busy. All about jobs. We've all had
that position at least once in our lives. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (07:12):
A species of blue cheese of the family blue cheese
or is it, like, I don't know, rope Fort different
than blue because blue cheese just seems somewhat vague.
Speaker 1 (07:25):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean it is a blue cheese
made from sheep's milk in the Kamba Balu caves of
roque Forts or sol France.
Speaker 3 (07:34):
No creamy texture and sharp tangy saltya something else from Wikipedia,
I'm gonna say that's just looking at the wikipedias for
both blue cheese and roque Fort, I'm gonna say blue
cheese goes to a private school, Roquefort goes to a
boarding school. Yeah yeah, rope for it's like it goes
to Sidwell friends.
Speaker 1 (07:55):
Yeah, oh yeah, you know what I mean. You put
it in some decent context. Yeah, yeah, it's it's in
class with Malasho Obama basically.
Speaker 3 (08:00):
Oh yeah, definitely cut forth period with Malia Obama.
Speaker 1 (08:04):
Smoking cigarettes because I'm from France and you should try
these cigarettes. They're actually good for you when you get
them from friends. Yeah, it's like a steam cleaner for
your lungs. How you say how you say cigarette? Yeah,
four or five cigarette.
Speaker 2 (08:20):
And the teacher's just like, yeah, no, that's actually cool
with us because we're on some like next level the
great friendship.
Speaker 1 (08:27):
Authors smoked cigarettes.
Speaker 2 (08:29):
Yeah, we are teaching Camu right now, so the students
are permitted to smoke cigarettes in class.
Speaker 1 (08:37):
All right. I love that Camu reference. Yeah, he has
even stranger references coming up.
Speaker 2 (08:45):
By the way, I do spell Camu the same as Shamoo,
so I'm not don't don't like.
Speaker 1 (08:51):
A m u.
Speaker 2 (08:53):
A m o o is Shamoo as distant cousin of Tima.
Speaker 1 (08:57):
Yeah. His grandson is actually like a talent in Japan,
which is really wild. Camus Yeah, yeah, yeah, he's like
Shamu has a no Albert Camus. Albert right is that
his name is? Yeah, his grandson like fame is a
like he's a presenter on Japanese TV and he's like
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fluent in Japanese, and I was always like, I remember
being like, what how do you what's that pass interesting?
Speaker 2 (09:24):
But hey, yeah, I like that for him, I like
that for the Camu legacy, existential dread and truly the
only interesting question for humanity is why we don't kill ourselves?
And then his great grandson is like, welcome back back
(09:45):
to the mask singer. He would do as a mask
singer because he's like this blonde hair dude.
Speaker 1 (09:50):
He would go there's a show that he would go
on where he would go around the streets of Tokyo
or Osaka or something, and he would ask a question,
He's like, what's your pet peeve? Like your biggest pet beef?
And they, because he's fluent in Japanese, the answer in Japanese,
and he would always go okay now in English. And
that was always like the bit And then like the
fund was watching people struggle with their English to say
(10:11):
some like really funny version of what their pet peeve was.
Speaker 2 (10:14):
But anyway, the implication being everybody does know how to
speak English. You couldn't do that shit in America with
like any other language.
Speaker 1 (10:21):
No, No, it would be wildly offensive.
Speaker 2 (10:25):
I think like, yeah, oh for sure, the responses would
be wildly offensive for sure. All right, Sam, we're going
to get to know you a little bit better in
a moment. Right first, we're going to tell the listeners
a couple of things that we're all going to be
talking about a little bit later on. We're going to
talk about preparations for Hurricane Milton, specifically the GOP just
ramping up the racism and the what is causing this is?
Speaker 3 (10:50):
Could it be would the Green just say that like
they control the weather maybe with lasers?
Speaker 1 (10:57):
With lasers?
Speaker 3 (10:58):
She said, yeah, yeah, Marjorie, come on.
Speaker 1 (11:01):
Research, Sam, do some research Sam on Twitter. Clearly you're
not doing your own research.
Speaker 2 (11:08):
We're going to talk about the mainstream media's favorite discourse
at the moment, which is is.
Speaker 1 (11:13):
This an October surprise?
Speaker 2 (11:15):
Is is Trump's wife writing a book we all knew
about an October surprise?
Speaker 3 (11:22):
The real October surprise is call her Daddy doing a
better interview with Kamala than anyone else's cycle.
Speaker 1 (11:28):
But yes, you started.
Speaker 2 (11:29):
So we're going to talk about the October surprise, where
it comes from, where that phrase even comes from, and
why it might be time to you know, quiet down
about the October surprise. All of that plenty more. But
first Sam, we do like to ask our guest, what
is something from your search history?
Speaker 3 (11:49):
I was so when I when they sent this question
over to me, I was like, oh Lord, let me
not go back and look at incognito mode. But I
am going to go right now to my phone and.
Speaker 2 (12:02):
Wow, we're getting the live results.
Speaker 1 (12:04):
The results are.
Speaker 3 (12:05):
Coming as we speak, and I feel like, you know,
there's always this divide with what you search.
Speaker 1 (12:13):
It's like the.
Speaker 3 (12:14):
Default browserund my iPhone is Safari, so I think my
first searches come there, but my favorite saves tabs are
in Chrome. So my third fourth wave searches live there
right right. But we're gonna start with my recent Safari
Google searches.
Speaker 1 (12:32):
How do I? Okay? I googled roquefort cheese. There you go.
Speaker 2 (12:36):
Oh.
Speaker 3 (12:37):
I was talking in another podcast this morning about one
of these far right conspiracy theories about some people on
the right saying that Biden has been slow on hurricane
response because he's been at his beach house sunning his testicles.
So that led me to google the time that Tucker
Carlson was pushing testical tanning on his show. So my
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last real Google were the three words Tucker Carlson testicles.
Speaker 1 (13:06):
Yes, fantastic and are we how are the results?
Speaker 2 (13:10):
What?
Speaker 1 (13:10):
We don't want to go down that ball? You don't
want to go down that Now that is surprising to me.
Speaker 3 (13:16):
It just kind of outlines how this dude was like
fully crazy and like two years ago he was telling
people to sun their testicles to up their testosterone, and
he had someone called a bromo therapist on or something
to talk about all this stuff just kook science.
Speaker 1 (13:34):
Romeopathy or something like that. Yes, yes, yes, bromeopathy.
Speaker 2 (13:39):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (13:39):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (13:40):
There's a Vanity Fair headline that reads, Tucker Carlson Colon
tan your balls if you want to.
Speaker 1 (13:45):
Be a real man. Wow. Wow.
Speaker 3 (13:47):
And while we're here, and I can say this because
I'm gay, so I can be offensive to straight men
who on the what straight man in the world has
taken how to be a man lessons from Tucker fucking Carlson.
Speaker 1 (14:00):
The most Yeah, the most misguided? I think. Hold on, ye,
what did tuckles Tucker say? It's like, I guess, do
I keep my bow tie?
Speaker 4 (14:07):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (14:08):
When I tanned my balls because I remember wasn't there
someone like around Like at the start of the Lockdown
someone was talking about like sunning your butthole too, and
like your taint was like that was the thing.
Speaker 3 (14:20):
Also then for a while when it, Paltrow was like,
stick this jade egg up your nony.
Speaker 2 (14:24):
Yeah, yeah, And then there was some nony sunning as
well on the side, if I'm not mistaken.
Speaker 3 (14:31):
And for a second there was nony steaming, right And
I know this because years ago when that was a trend,
I was like, oh, they can't keep this from the man.
So I went to a spot in LA that did
the vaginal steaming in all earnestness. I went with my
former partner and I was like, well, can you do
it for us too? And they were mad that I
(14:52):
would even ask. I was like, well steamline too, like
a last They wouldn't steam me why. It's probably for
the best, it's just for vagins.
Speaker 1 (15:02):
But I mean, like, is the technolo I mean what
I'm picturing just maybe someone having like a garment steamer
like under the sheet.
Speaker 2 (15:07):
You know, and then like a barber shopped like cape
that you put like around your waist.
Speaker 1 (15:13):
Right right right? Okay, Well yeah, hey, for the one
day I'll find out. Yeah, if you're being discriminated, just
get yourself a garment steamer or maybe a humidifier. We
legally cannot give this a buzz yep ye yeah yeah
yeah uh. Anyway, check out my live stream on Saturday morning.
But don't do what I do. Do as I say,
not as I do. That's right.
Speaker 3 (15:35):
Also, Gwyneth, if you need a male volunteer as tribute, right, yeah,
I like your Gwyneth. I think you're cool. I volunteer
to be steamed.
Speaker 2 (15:43):
It does suggest that the people who are doing the
steaming are like in it for the wrong reasons, Like
what why are they discriminating between you know, like right, hmm.
Speaker 1 (15:53):
Because if because I'd imagine right, like if are they
saying like that you just won't get the benefits from it?
You're like, well what if I just want to feel
the steam up there?
Speaker 3 (16:02):
Or they're just like I don't see that, you know
what was happening. I get it, and I understand this response.
They were just like, why is a man even trying
to get up in there?
Speaker 1 (16:12):
It's for women?
Speaker 3 (16:14):
And is as as well intentioned as I was going
to that storefront? They probably were like, is this guy
pranking us right right to get it.
Speaker 1 (16:23):
Yeah, you did have an entire YouTube video crew with you.
I had James O'Keefe right behind me, yeah.
Speaker 2 (16:30):
Wearing a ponzo. Yeah, Sam, what's something you think is underrated?
Speaker 1 (16:37):
Walking? Mm hmm.
Speaker 3 (16:40):
I live in LA and nobody wants to walk. Nobody
wants to freaking walk. And like, I have two dogs,
so I walk a lot with them. But I also
believe in if you have an errand to run that
you can get to in less than a mile and
a half, walk it if you have to die, yeah,
walking to it.
Speaker 1 (16:57):
Like literally, I always feel better after a walk.
Speaker 3 (17:00):
My mind is clearer after a walk. And you know,
y'all know this Angelino's will drive a block.
Speaker 1 (17:06):
Yes you do, Yes, I just walk more, Yes I do.
I also, like I've I've been trying to use like
my bike more as like in between where it's like,
see that's a bridge too far because these drivers out
here are too fast, too furious. That's why I have
like created my own network of residential streets that I
used to not be on like those main thoroughfares, because yeah,
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because they'll get you. There's nothing more frightening than being
on a bicycle, like on a main street in Los Angeles,
because people fucking just are so unaware.
Speaker 3 (17:35):
Have you noticed how one since pandemic lockdown road rags
has gotten worse. And then two the basic rules and
laws of traffic people just disobey. Everyone runs red lights.
If you had a four way stop, a car behind
you might just come around you and zoom through. Like
the basic laws of how we commute in cars, people
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ignore them.
Speaker 1 (17:57):
Now in LA it's people are I'm seeing more and
more of people doing the Pittsburgh left turn. What is
that that? That's like when the the second the light
goes green, the person in the left turn lane just
cuts it across before New York. But I like that
you're slandering Pittsburgh with this. That's how I heard it
from a dude who I know, like, lived in Pittsburgh
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any And if you look it up, if it's it's
Peopleburgh left, Yeahan's doing the Pittsburgh left. He's doing Pittsburgh left.
Speaker 2 (18:25):
Hell Yeahan's doing the Pittsburgh left anymore.
Speaker 1 (18:29):
You ever hear Pittsburgh people just adding anymore on to
the end of the sentence for some week.
Speaker 2 (18:34):
I like that.
Speaker 1 (18:35):
It's kind of fun anymore. It's like a nice open
ended thing. People also called the whole shot, which I think. Yeah,
that's also known as a Boston left or a New
York left either way illegal. Yeah, yes, we look down
on New York in this household, not the Yeah.
Speaker 2 (18:57):
Yeah, I'm actually curious that gang us know, because this
is something that we've talked about a little bit here
and there. But it does feel like people have become
less and less aware that other human beings exist, or
like willing to drive as though other human beings exist.
Speaker 3 (19:16):
Oh, it's just yeah, and everyone is like everyone sees
the slightest inconvenience while they're driving as like the biggest crime. Yes,
I'll be trying to change lanes. I will signal, which
is my way of saying please and thank you, and
the other car will speed up to block me. I
signaled courteous.
Speaker 2 (19:38):
Right.
Speaker 1 (19:39):
It's very competitive.
Speaker 3 (19:41):
There's a competition going on, and there's like a rage
that is just in every single interaction in a car.
Speaker 5 (19:46):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (19:47):
This is actually something I talked about in therapy because
I would get petty. Right, I'm like, oh, you're not
about like you know the thing, like, especially on freeway interchanges,
it'll be backed up and people just want to go
to the side and then in at their last time
on the shoulder, on the shoulder, and I'm like, hell, no,
you're not not to me. Not to me. H. My
therapist shout out. Doctor Shimitra was like, maybe we should
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maybe we should investigate what is it about? Is it
because is it your ego? And I'm like, yeah, I
think it's like is it because you don't you think
to them, You're not that person who should be getting
cut in front of And I'm like this might be true.
So I now I have to like use it as
an exercise to like separate myself from my ego and
be like, yeah, people are trying to get places too,
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I'm not in a rush. They might be fuck it.
Yeah fine.
Speaker 3 (20:33):
I always tell myself when I'm dealing with traffic and
people being assholes in traffic. Most of the time they
don't know who you are and they don't care. Yeah,
you're a car they're trying to get by. No one
is like, that's Sam in that car, and I'm gonna
show them.
Speaker 1 (20:50):
Oh that's Sam Sanders. Oh I'll be waiting for this
fucking day. I know they would be an asshole to
any car you were just in the way. Yeah, exactly,
a bogie yep. Sam Sanders on the road in front
of us. He's trying to zipper merge. He's trying to
ziper merge.
Speaker 2 (21:04):
I backed out of my driveway this morning to take
my kids to school, and a car, like two cars
stopped to let me out.
Speaker 1 (21:11):
It was like, thank you so much. Third car zoomed
around all of us, and just I just.
Speaker 3 (21:18):
Can I tell you my worst fantasy about dealing with
road rage. I've thought a lot about whether or not
I could acquire those spikes that flattened tires and just
have them to toss out like Mario Kart when someone.
Speaker 2 (21:33):
Kisses me off somehow, like drive fast enough to get
around them. Yes, but they're still giving you the finger
out the back of their car, like laughing, laughing, and
then you just say, I am.
Speaker 1 (21:50):
Not the one. I am not the one, and today
is not the day. I always had a fantasy that
like I could have enough money, like fuck you money,
where I just had a car that I just talked
lessons in it. I'm not slowing down. I know you
think you can cut me off, but we'll get no
light out. That's bab and it will be your fault.
And I have time and guess what I am on
my fifth insurance provider boom, because they know this is
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my fuck you car, This is my fuck you car
around to find out. Yeah, and that's what I'm like.
This is again, these are all things that the car
in more ways.
Speaker 5 (22:20):
So all this to say, let's walk more as a
society exactly, let's walk, Yeah, walk more, and be very
careful when you're walking across the street because people no
longer can see pedestrians.
Speaker 1 (22:35):
It's just not they they it's it's not happening anymore.
Speaker 3 (22:38):
And if you ever are on the fence about thinking
you want to exhibit road rage, just remember you do
not know who has a gun and there, yes.
Speaker 1 (22:48):
You actually who has or who has a strip of
spikes you knows.
Speaker 2 (22:52):
Right, or who has the red shell from Mario car? Hey, Sam,
what's something you think is overrated? Oh?
Speaker 1 (23:00):
Controversial opinion? Here?
Speaker 3 (23:02):
The Spotify algorithm. Oh it was really great for a while,
but have you noticed over the last year it's gotten worse.
Speaker 1 (23:09):
I've as I'm a long time Spotify user. The algorithm
has half giveth many great suggestions and now my Discover
weekly is like a mess. It's a mess. It's not
it's not giving me the great And I've talked about
who the DJ the DJ part.
Speaker 3 (23:25):
Of it, whoeveryone is like does that sounds that sounds
like sim People like, oh the Spotify DJ sounds like you, Sam,
and I'm like, one the racism not.
Speaker 1 (23:32):
All, I don't know, it sounds like you.
Speaker 3 (23:34):
And two if Spotify was paying me to be a
DJ voice, I wouldn't be doing shit else but taking
on Spotify money. You know, when I hear me on
podcasts like this, I'd be taking Spotify money. And no,
it's bad now, right.
Speaker 1 (23:44):
Isn't it bad now? I definitely feel like because the
thing is it in? You know, like we use a
like my account on like whatever like smart speaker we
have so when we say so, sometimes we put other
music on that isn't my taste and then the next
thing is like, oh so you love this kind of
a like indie pop music and like not really, man
like please take it in totality like that was a
that was a moment, but that's not where my entire
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interests lined. So yeah, it's gotten a little bit harder.
I had a theory about this.
Speaker 3 (24:12):
So a few months ago Spotify made news because they
said and announced that new an upcoming artists could pay
Spotify money to have their songs show up higher in
people's algorithms and show up more frequently. And I think
as soon as that happened, it it really screwed with
the algorithm just tuning into me and my interest. I
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also think that they have leaned more on giving you
more of the songs you already listened to a lot,
like I think we all had that three or four
months this year, where as soon as a playlist was
done or an album was done, the next song you
heard was Espresso by Sabrina Carpenter.
Speaker 1 (24:52):
I couldn't avoid it.
Speaker 3 (24:53):
And it felt like the algorithm of two or three
years ago was more expansive and just gave me more
new stuff that you'd never heard before.
Speaker 1 (25:00):
But they felt aligned with their interest. It exchanged.
Speaker 2 (25:04):
They're going through the shit the radio went through with
like Payola and exactly, yeah for sure.
Speaker 1 (25:09):
But also we love spotifym my podcast thank you.
Speaker 2 (25:12):
Yeah, yeah, we love Spotify to remember, we love it,
and also and Apple especially the podcast app doesn't have
any of these problems.
Speaker 1 (25:21):
So no Apple Io Apple a friend of Woke a
woke god. We love the iOS updates, we love the
iOS find out. We love to have a podcast.
Speaker 2 (25:34):
The I mean, I remember when this happened to Facebook.
It feels like every every piece of technology that is
designed around helping you find information or a thing that
is going to be entertaining to you goes through this
process where algorithm is designed to find a thing, like
and it gets it gets really good at helping you
(25:56):
find the thing that you want. And then they're like, okay,
and now we're making money, Like now we have these
massive numbers, and now we slowly make the product worse
and worse and worse. And I still remember like Facebook
was a good place for people to find things.
Speaker 1 (26:12):
I had my phone numbers and my address on Facebook.
It was so great. Yeah, and then they were like okay,
and now we.
Speaker 2 (26:20):
Like I remember, you know, on the other side, as
like somebody who was making content at that time, like
our you know, content was having a ton of success
on Facebook. And then slowly they were like, okay, you
can pay us to be like positioned better. And then
eventually it was you will not show up unless you
pay us, and that at that point, it's just only
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the most gullible and not aware of like what is
actually happening to them. Aka, you know boomers are still
going to use that product at that point.
Speaker 1 (26:50):
Can I tell you?
Speaker 3 (26:51):
This brings up what is one of my favorite essays
that has explained the way the internet and apps have
treated us for fifteen years. You've probably read it before.
This writer and thinker called Cory Doctorow. He has a
theory called in shiitification.
Speaker 1 (27:09):
Yeah, and he wrote this es.
Speaker 3 (27:10):
Say about the incertification of everything. Y'all have heard it before.
But basically he argues that first these new apps, these
new vendors, these new players, they do whatever it takes
to attract users and be good to users. Then they
do whatever it takes to attract business customers, which means
that users matters less. And then they make their business
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model just serve the shareholders in maximizing profit. And so,
without fail, an app that was really good to users,
within three to five years, it's only good for shareholders.
Speaker 1 (27:42):
And this happens with whatever the app is.
Speaker 2 (27:46):
Yeah, and it's currently the app that is gaining steam
because it's not doing the in stification aka rot economy.
We've called it before on the show shout out to
what's that his name, Ron, who calls it the rott economy.
But it feels like TikTok's the one place that isn't
actively making its product worse.
Speaker 1 (28:07):
Or just wait monitor way once they find out how
to monetize it.
Speaker 2 (28:12):
Yeah, the fact that like they're trying to figure out,
like how what's the next money making thing? Is it Ai,
like ai that writes shitty news articles for you or
you know, it's just like no, just have the thing
that is going to be good once TikTok starts being shitty,
because that's an inevitability.
Speaker 1 (28:30):
Because they're trying, because like TikTok is really trying with
that TikTok shop.
Speaker 3 (28:34):
But I think people really figured out quite quickly that
the stuff on the TikTok shop is.
Speaker 1 (28:39):
Like worse than Timu. It's bad stuff you don't.
Speaker 2 (28:41):
Want that, you don't want that turn green, even if
it's not a piece of jewelry that goes around your neck.
Speaker 1 (28:48):
Somehow. Mm hmm.
Speaker 3 (28:50):
Sorry, I like geek out on the incentification ship. It
explains everything.
Speaker 1 (28:55):
It explains Oh yeah, cause most people just do the
thing where they're like this used to be good it
used to be good. Yeah, and then you're like, we're
just like so it's called shareholder value. Shareholder value, and
it's ruining everything.
Speaker 2 (29:09):
Literally when Mark Zuckerberg walked into shareholder meetings and flip flops, yeah,
I'm aldoh bitch, and then he's eventually like, we need
to capture shareholder value.
Speaker 3 (29:20):
So yeah, yeah, right now what shareholders are ruining and
what VC is ruining. There's tons of coverage around this
VC and venture capital. They're buying up veterinary care, so
a lot of vats that were private are now owned
by these vcs. And you'll notice all the rights of
going up. Yeah, all the rights for private equity is uh,
the devil private equity You're right, not.
Speaker 1 (29:40):
Via the devil, Corey doctor al. He's got a really
good substack post on just private equity too. That's just
how it's like everything died because of this red well
it's just smart.
Speaker 3 (29:51):
Yeah, it's perverse sentives because their goal is not to
make a good company, is to make things that they
can sell for parts. Right, Yeah, you don't get me started, okay,
all right, sorry, yeah, we we won't.
Speaker 1 (30:01):
Let's take a quick break. We'll be right back and
we're back and just a whore.
Speaker 2 (30:17):
You know, we recently talked about Hurricane Helene and these
storms that are doing things that storms used to not do.
They used to be or they would happen, you know,
once a century, once every two century, and now they're
happening on a pretty regular basis. And before we were
finished saying that sentence, another even bigger hurricane started developing
(30:40):
in the Gulf of Mexico. Just like chilling in the
Gulf of Mexico, fucking terrifying storm. Hurricane Milton. It's intensifying
at a rate that like, I don't know, this clip
you found, Miles kind of blew my mind.
Speaker 1 (30:54):
Yeah, I mean I think you saw things like it
started as a tropical storm and then became a Category
four just over the weekend. And people are like, that's
a progression that is pretty wild. And yeah, like you said,
I'm like, like hearing meteorologists and atmospheric scientists talk about it,
I'm like, I'm a podcaster. What does this all means? Simple?
(31:16):
Put right? So, like Helene brought like a four day
between four and eight feet of a storm search which
is to cause terrible damage. Milton is expected to bring
between ten and fifteen feet of like water, like we're
the wall, Yes, a wall of water storm surge that
has been described by the mayor of Tampa as unsurvivable.
(31:36):
They're saying, if you do not leave, write your name
on your body so people can identify. Listen, if you
got Tampa people saying it's unsurvivable, believe them. Yeah. And
so the thing that really freaked me out or not
freaked I mean, yes, freaked me out or I got
I understood, just the severity of it is this clip
(31:57):
of this meteorologist, nam John Morales, who's in Florida. He's
merely just watching the storm sort of you know, evolve,
and he is absolutely his breath is taken by this.
And I'll just play this for you because I think
it's like one of those scenes in a movie where
you hear like a scientist like sort of like just
like clutch their shirt or something in horror. That's kind
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of what this feels like. So this is John Morales
sort of talking about just how powerful it's becoming and
how quickly it's become powerful.
Speaker 6 (32:25):
It's just an incredible, incredible, incredible hurricane. It has dropped
he has dropped fifteen mili bars in ten hours. I apologize.
Speaker 1 (32:42):
This is just.
Speaker 6 (32:44):
Horrific when maximum sustained winds are one hundred and sixty
miles per hour and it it is just gaining strength
in the Gulf of Mexico where you can imagine the winds.
I mean, these are just so incredibly incredibly hot, a
record hot as you might imagine.
Speaker 1 (33:06):
You know what's driving that. I don't need to tell you,
Globerg what what what is this guy talking about? I
didn't know that we were I was just channel Come on, man, well,
here's the thing. Is obviously the lower the pressure, the
higher the intensity, right, so when it's dropping that quickly,
it's intensifying at a rate. That's why he was just
(33:27):
like the he just couldn't believe what he was seeing.
And you and you understand that's why you're going to
get these like storm surges that are catastrophic. So while
this is happening now, that's that's someone who's trying to
communicate the severity of this storm that people need to
get like to evacuate if possible, and do whatever they
can to stay safe. You got Ron DeSantis over here,
(33:49):
the governor of Florida, just like now, evoking like the
specter of people of color looting, right, this is.
Speaker 7 (33:57):
Not going to be an opportunity for folks to take
advantage of people. If you think you're going to go
in and loot, you got another thing coming. You go
into somebody's house after the storm passes, think that that
you're going to be able to commit crimes, You're going
to get in really serious trouble and quite frankly, you
don't know what's behind that door in a Second Amendment state,
(34:19):
So do not try to take advantage of people who
are suffering because of the results of this storm.
Speaker 1 (34:27):
Yeah, so that's what he's most concerned about.
Speaker 6 (34:32):
That.
Speaker 1 (34:33):
What about people who like, what about critical medical infrastructure
if the power goes out? What of those people? And
you're doing this thing where it's like.
Speaker 3 (34:40):
Yeah, dirty, hairy about what about Ron DeSantis fighting the
disinformation coming from Donald Trump ahead of his party?
Speaker 1 (34:48):
What about that? Yeah? What about him actively avoiding phone
calls from Joe Biden or Kamala Harris because he doesn't
want their help, because he doesn't like he's trying to
politicize him, Like we're fine over here, I meet Paul
rob And also like, aren't all states Second Amendment states,
like if we're talking about the whatever, that's just that's associate.
Speaker 2 (35:09):
With the ability to shoot anyone who like accidentally steps
on your property to with Florida. But yeah, I mean
technically the Second Amendment does exist in all states. He
it's just so wild because like to get to that
messaging that he's so desperately wanted to get to, he
has to set up a scenario where everybody's sticking around,
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which is the whole fucking point he's trying to like
he's supposed to be getting is like get out, get out,
And he's like, and you know, if you're sticking around,
those homeowners might be super tough and cool and sticking around.
So like he's he's doing the opposite of sending the
message that he's supposed to be sending. Yeah, which, well
(35:51):
just one of like three thousand frustrating things about that.
Speaker 1 (35:55):
But yeah, I don't know, horrible.
Speaker 3 (35:58):
Yeah, I've been upset with all of the misinformation that's
been circling around recovery.
Speaker 1 (36:06):
Right.
Speaker 3 (36:07):
You know, there's some theories that were just coming from
the Internet. There's some theories that were coming from like
Marjorie Taylor Green, but like Donald Trump has had his
fingers and all of this just spreading lies. Yeah, like
there's a long list that I compiled. I don't even
want to go through it all, but it's just like ridiculous.
He has claimed that FEMA and the federal government were
(36:28):
quote going out of their way to not help people
in Red states. He claimed that Kamala spent all the
FEMA money on housing illegal immigrants. Yeah, he said there
were no helicopters or rescue in North Carolina. Like, it's
just nonsensical and so unhelpful at a moment when the
number one priority should be how do we get money,
(36:50):
aid and relief to whoever the fuck needs it? And
that's what FEMA's trying to do. Not a perfect organization,
but they're trying.
Speaker 1 (36:57):
Yeah, and exactly. And also, like you know, the budgets
aren't dictated by Joe Biden or Kamala Harris. That's from
Congress exactly, and that's part of the that's part of DHS.
There's a lot of stuff that like again because like
the structure of the government is not really something most
people are paying attention to. That it's easiest one, Oh, immigrants,
they get all the money. So there's no, there's no
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disaster relief money, Like, no, that's not what is happening. Yeah. Good.
Speaker 3 (37:23):
And the politicization of what is usually and customarily something
both sides they I'll get along on.
Speaker 1 (37:30):
That's been so strange.
Speaker 3 (37:31):
I remember when I was a kid, it didn't matter
if the governor of your state was a Republican or
a Democrat. If there was a natural disaster, you made
an emergent declaration, you asked for that femal money and
you got it, and the President called the governor and
they talked, and party didn't matter because you wanted to
get money and aid to people.
Speaker 1 (37:50):
Right.
Speaker 3 (37:50):
And the fact that you got Ron DeSantis and Trump
and others politicizing what should actually be the moment of
the most bipartisan collaboration.
Speaker 1 (38:00):
Yeah, it is disgusting. Yeah, it's all. It's costing lives.
More people will die because of this bullshit. And like
Marjorie Taylor Greenow, she posts like, oh, you don't believe me.
Look at all these patents the US government has filed.
And if you like bother to click one, you're like
this one says about like dropping water from balloons to
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make it to simulate rain, or just things have nothing
to do with actually controlling the weather, because as you
were saying earlier, she said they whoever they are. And
I know, you know, if you look at her history
of talking about people controlling the weather and shit, yes
she means usually antisy nonsense. And so the other thing
too is then you have like people like you know,
sexual predator and Sea Pac chairman Matt Schlapp, who's like
(38:44):
wondering out loud, tweeting stuff like quote, we will see
what happens with this most terrifying of hurricanes in the Gulf.
At some point we have to ask ourselves if there's
a divine attempt to get our attention and stop all
the insanity in our modern existence. And I'm like, I
guess if the insanity of our modern existence is the
continued burning of fossil fuels that hastens the death of
(39:07):
this planet, yeah, then this is definitely one of those
Jesus warnings. But if this is just a sad, you know,
regressive attempt to connect this shit to like trans rites
or something, then please fuck right off. Like we've retired
of this nonsense like trying to be like, you know,
you know why, because God hates you know, who that's
like us.
Speaker 3 (39:25):
And then here's the most annoying part of all of it.
After the dust settles with this and the rain dries up,
the same Republican political leaders who were spreading lies about
FEMA and recovery will make campaign ads talking about how
they got federally funded to their districts.
Speaker 1 (39:42):
Yeah, it has some bullshit. Yeah, and it's always funny too,
because I remember Lauren Bobert was like saying, like, you know,
the state didn't give Colorado anything. It's like, you voted
against these bills and then you said, then you touted
the benefits of it. She's like, well, you know, you
have to understand. But again, for that base, it doesn't matter.
It's just it's all it's it's all just part of
(40:04):
the narrative that they need to invest in. And yeah,
and here we are, here, we are here, we are Yeah.
I do feel like you still hear stories about people
just working together at a local, like human to human level,
like regardless of what their political affiliation is.
Speaker 2 (40:21):
You know, people are still helping each other out when
a major disaster like this happens. It's just that the
leadership has gotten so polarized that they well, this isn't
work together.
Speaker 3 (40:32):
Yeah, well, it's like you'll see these stories, especially in
like Louisiana and that part of the country.
Speaker 1 (40:38):
It'll be like it'll be these.
Speaker 3 (40:40):
Grizzly ass, middle aged white dudes who look like full Trumpers.
They would scare me if I saw them at night
on the street. But then the storm comes and they
just get in their boats and start saving people, and
it's just this beautiful harmony, like you will see the
most coming together of American people at the after a
disaster like this, black folks, white folks, rich folks, poor people.
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And the fact that DeSantis and Trump and Marjorie are
trying to shit on that right now.
Speaker 1 (41:10):
Oof yeah, yeah, pisses me off. It's just the I guess,
you know, especially looking at this election, that's just the
playbook is just to turn up the rhetoric to the
most disgusting levels and then just hoping it's like, well,
maybe we can turn out the people who really respond
to this really vile stuff, because like, we're not winning
people in the middle, so we might as well just
go further to the right and see who we can
(41:31):
turn it out mathematically there.
Speaker 3 (41:33):
And it seems like a true extension of what Vance
and Trump were doing in Springfield, Ohio just a few
weeks ago, spreading lies about migrants eating cats and dogs.
They knew it wasn't true, but they lied and then
basically said they were lying and kept doing it. Right, Like,
even if these officials are called out about the lies
about hurricane stuff, they won't retract the statement, they won't apologize,
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They'll just say, all right, whatever.
Speaker 1 (41:57):
Yeah exactly. It's like, well, I guess maybe it wasn't
one of those warnings from God.
Speaker 2 (42:01):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, all right, let's let's take a quick
break and we'll be right back, and we're back. You
might have seen a headlined maybe two that mentioned the
(42:24):
idea of October surprise. Hell, we've covered it on this podcast.
We're not we're not innocent. Our hands aren't clean. It's
it's kind of a perfect story because it's, you know,
it's like being scared of the dark. It's like, you know,
we don't know what it is, and so our imagination
can concoct all these things that could totally flip the
(42:46):
election on its head. Right, But it does seem to
have turned a corner to the point where the media
is just using this story to get clicks, get attention,
create a heightened sense of anxiety without there being really
anything there. So I'm just gonna read a couple headlines
for you. The first is from the BBC Notable tabloid.
(43:11):
The BBC wrote the headline Trump and Harris are deadlocked?
Could October surprise change the game?
Speaker 1 (43:19):
Could it?
Speaker 2 (43:20):
The potential October surprise looms a month before election?
Speaker 1 (43:23):
Deck?
Speaker 2 (43:24):
The potential October surprise looms a month before Like, that's
not even a sentence. That's from the State Press Statepress
dot com. Could us port strength be the October surprise
that trips up Kamala Harris? Is Malania Trump her husband's
October surprise?
Speaker 1 (43:40):
That's courtesy of Northeastern.
Speaker 2 (43:42):
And then this is my favorite because I actually clicked
through read this article how an October surprise could impact
the twenty twenty four election comma. According to Pulling Nostradamus,
uh So, I was like, Okay, I think I know
who they're talking about. It's the guy who has like
thirteen keys of the election.
Speaker 1 (44:03):
He's been everywhere, he's been everywhere, hungry they're even doing
that is a horse race. They're like, ooh, she's got
ten of the thirteen keys. Ooh, maybe she has nine
of thirteen and Trump that's spot like okay, so it
is just want to pick me energy, look over here,
click over here, pick me yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (44:21):
So, first of all, it's interesting they call him the
polling noster Domas because his model does not take poles
into account at all.
Speaker 1 (44:28):
In fact, it like explicitly does.
Speaker 2 (44:29):
The point is that he's only looking at big picture stuff,
not polling, and is still able to do this. Also,
he's been able to pick the right election every time
since nineteen eighty.
Speaker 1 (44:42):
Except for al Gore.
Speaker 2 (44:44):
And he's like, yeah, but al Gore won the popular vote,
and then people are like, okay, so then what about
Trump because he picked Trump in twenty sixteen and he
did on the popular vote. Yeah, And he's like, and
then he throws a smoke bomb on the around and
dives through a window. But the so the way the
headline is constructed, how an October surprise could impact the
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twenty twenty four election, You would seem to think that
there's an answer in the article that is like, here's
how could it.
Speaker 1 (45:14):
Yeah, The answer, in fact is it won't. It won't impact.
That's how they.
Speaker 2 (45:21):
Literally ask him and in the first paragraph, he's like, yeah,
I've never once changed my prediction based on an October surprise.
I think October surprises are bullshit. And yeah, he's just like,
you know, the all the stories that have happened in
October not necessarily that as impactful. It's just a thing
(45:41):
that you know, the media is on heightened alert, and
you know, when you are super amped up, like the
memories that forma at that moment seem more significant.
Speaker 3 (45:52):
Yeah, it feels like can kind of Yeah, can I
tell you, as a legacy or as an alumni of
a legacy newsroom, can I tell you what I think
an October surprise is. Yes, it is a message to
everyone in your newsroom that you got a month left
to get as many clicks as possible for during election coverage,
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because after election.
Speaker 1 (46:15):
Date it falls off a cliff, right. Yeah, this is
a message to the industry, not a message to voters. Yeah. Interest,
And it's very.
Speaker 3 (46:27):
All these October surprise headlines you listed, it very much
feels like crying wolf and there's no wolf.
Speaker 1 (46:33):
Look over here. I think I hear something. Oh, I
don't hear anything. It's just such bs And I think
the last.
Speaker 3 (46:38):
Time that we thought we had a real, real, real
live October surprise was probably that Trump.
Speaker 1 (46:46):
Access Hollywood tape. And you know what, it didn't do.
Speaker 3 (46:49):
It didn't cost that man the election. It didn't cost
some of the election at all. So no, I'm so
over the October surprise discourse. And it's just like the
last grasp. And I still love legacy media. I listened
to it. I like it, but it's the last grasp
of legacy media pretending as if they can control a
media narrative around politics.
Speaker 2 (47:10):
Right, it is just grasps for control. Even if it
were surprise, yeah yeah, even if it was real, at
one point, it would no longer be real, right, because
the legacy media doesn't have the ability to.
Speaker 1 (47:23):
And it's not for lack of trying. I do want to,
we try, Yeah yeah.
Speaker 2 (47:27):
The New York Times did have this opinion piece yesterday,
this year's October surprise maybe that there isn't one. So
the October surprise in this case is the fact that
the real October surprise was the friends we made.
Speaker 1 (47:41):
Friends we made a lot of way.
Speaker 3 (47:44):
My thing with these October surprise is that a story
isn't it's a story if you can write a whole
story that changes not one iota of any reader's worldview
or perspective or knowledge. The article shouldn't be written, right,
If you have a whole article of a thousand words
of maybe.
Speaker 1 (48:03):
We'll see you didn't need to write it. Yeah, I
don't know. It pisses me off.
Speaker 2 (48:09):
That would be so dope if like just the New
York Times, like any media outlet, only published when they
had something that was actually new, and you were like,
holy shit, you guys, The New York Times just dropped
a story like they hadn't dropped one in eight days
and we're only a week out in the election.
Speaker 1 (48:28):
This must be important.
Speaker 3 (48:31):
I want I want legacy newsrooms to drop headlines and
articles the way Beyonce drops albums.
Speaker 1 (48:39):
Yeah yeah, yeah yeah, Only.
Speaker 3 (48:41):
When it's ready, only when it's good, usually by surprise,
at a time that is connected to when the story
is ready.
Speaker 1 (48:50):
Yeah, and not when they think it's optimal for viewing, right,
not like how like Taylor Swift has new albums that
are like special editions and all the time like was
this new? It's like, oh, well, it's on a different
kind of vinyl, Like I guess that's.
Speaker 3 (49:04):
Let me tell you one thing I'll never do on
a microphone ever again, is say anything not even nice
about Taylor's.
Speaker 1 (49:09):
Well, oh yeah, we've already we've already burned those bridges.
We don't have to analyze something. But look, it's all love.
I'm just saying, get your money, you know, get your money.
Speaker 2 (49:18):
Yeah, but I see famous to your point. Some of
the most famous recent examples of October surprises were Bush's
dui and Trump's Access Hollywood tape. I'd forgotten Dui. Yeah,
but they both won, and people considered the Comy letter
also like some kind of Yeah, I guess the Comy
letter is the one that still seems to like hold
weight as well. This might have hurt, and I do
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think it probably cuts in the direction of like people
didn't trust Hillary Clinton, and so it undermined in the
same way. And I also think like the Access Hollywood
tape probably didn't help him.
Speaker 1 (49:56):
I think he probably won. No, I think I think, yeah,
even if both of those things didn't exist, I think
that election probably was going to end the same way.
But yeah, yeah, again, I think that's all because in
that when we do post mortems on election, it's always like, well,
we have to describe all this importance to these things
to make it seem like logical, like how we got here.
Speaker 2 (50:15):
Two October surprises that are pretty wild. And so the
first was Nixon kind of going behind the scenes with
it and trying to hold off the negotiation of peace
in the Vietnam War until he was elected and being like,
I actually have a better plan, it will be more
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favorable to you. Then he gets elected psych two and
a half more years of war, more than that, more
years of war. And then there's also where we actually
got the idea of an October surprise. So it was
invented by the Republicans. And I know that's going to
be hard for people to believe because it is an annoying,
(50:58):
a moral scheme and that doesn't cohere with what we
think of the Republicans. But basically it was coined by
Ronald Reagan, ally William Casey, who later became the director
of the CIA, but at this time he was working
to try and get Ronald Reagan elected in nineteen eighty
and he was warning Republicans that President Jimmy Carter was
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preparing an October surprise, which was the release of the
American hostages in Iran. Because they had yet to be
rescued by Ben Affleck.
Speaker 1 (51:29):
And so.
Speaker 2 (51:30):
In the very first place, October Surprise was just a
threat being used by the Republicans to scare themselves. So
that is its proud tradition, is it is a threat
of something that doesn't ultimately come to pass. And that
threat led them to secretly negotiate the delay of the
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release of the hostages until after Reagan had been elected damn.
And there were some congressional investigations into that, and they
were like, the congressional investigations were like, actually, we found
out this didn't happen. And then last year, former protege
of former Texas Governor John Connolly admitted his name is
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Ben Barnes. He admitted to The New York Times that
he was involved in those secret negotiations and that they
reported them back to Casey. So it did happen according
to this source who was involved in it. And that
is that is like the October Surprise that like does
actually seem like it would cause changes. But to me
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right now, it feels like every day there are three
Trump stories. Like we talked yesterday about Trump talking about
the genes of people coming into this country, like them
having like murder Jens like race science.
Speaker 1 (52:50):
All right, I didn't see that. Wait where do you
say that? Which broke said that? Which like not even
his ultimate conservative bro, Hugh Hewitt. He was on Hugh
Hewitt's that ship.
Speaker 3 (53:01):
Yeah, Donald Trump go on a podcast hosted by a
woman challenge.
Speaker 1 (53:08):
That would be how Laura Ingram fact checked him though
the other day. Oh, she was checking him in real
time and he was like trying, like when he was
talking about you know, different again like Helene misinformation. She
was like, you know, I think he should be here.
I'll just play this clip because it is really interesting
just to see how he is getting fact checked by
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Laura Ingram of all people. But here it is.
Speaker 4 (53:34):
Yeah, they're offering people seven hundred and fifty dollars for
immediately for the worst. Yeah, but for the worst hurricane
that anybody's seen. But she shouldn't be there anyway, she
should be I would say that North Carolina is so bad.
Speaker 1 (53:48):
And she was there today for three hours. I believe
Kamala Harris. Oh, Laura said not on my watch. Yeah,
just somehow was like I'm done with you, bro, I'm
done with you. She was there three hours, asshole, anyways.
Speaker 2 (54:01):
Yeah, but yeah, I mean that would be like in
it in and out with another presidential candidate.
Speaker 1 (54:09):
That would be news.
Speaker 2 (54:11):
Him just going full eugenics would be news. Him saying
that when he gets into office he would like to
develop Gaza into like an island resort resort would be news.
There's also you know, Bob Woodward has a book coming
out that talks about how Trump during his administration sent
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Vladimir Putin like his private stash of COVID tests at
a time when like the nation was sure. It was
like straight up private stash, like here you go, buddy,
and Putin had to be like Okay, thank you, but
do not tell anybody about this. They're gonna they're gonna
know something's going on.
Speaker 1 (54:50):
Oh yeah, So all these things. We talked about these
on trending yesterday.
Speaker 2 (54:54):
But I just got like, yeah, I want to give
these examples as like things that every day, there's like
four things that could be an October surprise. So I
just I think it's interesting to keep in mind the
context whenever somebody says October surprise, the context they're using
is a story about Kamala Harris that is going to
torpedo Hart because we there is no conceivable story that
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would damage Donald Trump at this point, like we because
we get three four of them every day, Like he
doesn't give a fuck, He's throwing just shedding these stories.
Speaker 3 (55:27):
Well, and this is what's so crazy and frustrating to see.
I mentioned earlier, Kamala is really good and impressive interview
on Alex Cooper's Call Her Daddy, where they went deep
on women's rights and sexual assault, and it was a
deep and introspective conversation that you would not have seen
Kamala have in a legacy newsroom. It was beautiful to
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behold and a surprise to me as someone who's covered
politics before. And like, she is continually getting better as
a candidate, better at doing this thing. Trump consistently gets
worse every day. He's saying more foolishness. And if the
polls remained locked and tied and close, close, close, it
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baffles me.
Speaker 1 (56:10):
It baffles me. Yeah, I think it's just like I
think at this point, it's clear to most people. It's like, yeah,
you're when you're looking at this binary between the two candidates,
most people are like, yeah, I'm not moving from where
I'm at. Yeah, there's no amount and that's the thing
with this October surprise. It's like just for people's confirmation bias,
you know, and just to be like, well is this
this could be this if look, if everything is in
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October surprise, then nothing is in October surprise, So yeah,
leave it alone.
Speaker 3 (56:37):
The October surprise is that we as a nation still
make it really hard for most people to vote. And
I'm surprised by that, and so I want to use
this moment. Does anyone listen to this podcast right now
who doesn't have a voting plan and isn't registered. It's
actually hard to do in America to work on it.
Now you have a month, yeah, yeah, we have a month.
Speaker 1 (56:54):
Yes.
Speaker 2 (56:55):
I just I think it's worth like keeping an eye
on the effect, not like keeping an eye on like
wait for the October surprise, but just keep like the
media is thirsty for an October surprise, and they can't
conceivably come up one with one for Trump. We've seen
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them come up with not an October surprise, but like
the Dean Scream was a situation where I was like
that the mainstream media was like this guy not not
really right, Like yeah, you guys like them, but not
really and so I'm not saying they're definitely gonna concoct something,
but I think they are going to give a good
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hard look at anything that they can take the take
heed of, you know, the not so subtle message coming
from the head of their newsroom, like you said, Sam,
that like this is your warning.
Speaker 1 (57:48):
Get big ass news stories cooked up now.
Speaker 3 (57:53):
Well, and I mean, especially for the cable news players,
we know now we've seen the numbers, Trump is actually
good for their bottom lines. Trump isn't good for their
bottom lines, good for their ratings. And so if you're
seeing INN, if you're MSNBC, if you're any of those players,
you actually know in your heart of hearts that him
being foolish.
Speaker 1 (58:10):
Is good for you.
Speaker 3 (58:11):
And so my question and my challenge to my colleagues
and these legacy newsrooms is just like, how can you
see that reality, know that reality, but still like call
out the bullshit and speak truth and understand.
Speaker 2 (58:25):
That, like.
Speaker 3 (58:27):
You need to be looking for the surprises or non surprises,
like even after this election cycle, even if Trump goes away,
It's just like I hate to see what the October
surprise symbolizes, which is this real business cycle and money
cycle of the way news is covered, and there's more
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attention paid to journalism in election years. There's more attention
paid to journalism and journalists when the candidates are crazier.
And it's just like these perverse incentives that I'm really
tired of.
Speaker 1 (58:57):
AnyWho? Any Who?
Speaker 2 (58:59):
Sam, Yes, truly a pleasure having you on the show today.
Where can people find you? Follow you, hear you all
that good stuff? Yeah?
Speaker 3 (59:07):
Well, One, thank y'all for indulging me and letting me
ramble and soapbox and shake my fist like an old man.
Speaker 1 (59:15):
Thank you for class to join us. And two, in
terms of.
Speaker 3 (59:20):
Socials, I'm on most platforms at Sam Sanders all one
word S A M S A N D E R S.
But I really want to talk about my two podcasts.
One's been around for a few years, the other is new.
I'll mention the new one first. It's called The Sam
Sanders Show. It's an entertainment and pop culture show about
the fun stuff we obsess over in our free time, movies, books, TVs, internet, memes,
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et cetera, and the people who make it. We've got
two episodes out right now. You can hear it on
KSRW here in Los Angeles. You can find it in
podcast feeds and it's also on YouTube. Full video in studio.
Two EPs up now, one conversation with Joel Kim Booster
Activity Writer, anothernversation with Sesher Zameta, one of the witches
(01:00:03):
and stars of Agatha. All along, they're fun, The show
is fun. It's good, big energy. And then my other
show that's been around for a while is called Vibe Check.
It's a weekly chat around news and culture in the
spirit of this show, and I talk with my dear
friends Zach Stafford and Sai Jones every week and publish
those episodes every Wednesday. And we soapbox a lot about politics.
(01:00:27):
And let me tell you, what's fun hearing a poet
like Saii Jones soapbox on politics. It's music of the years.
Speaker 1 (01:00:34):
AnyWho? Those are my shows. Great. Is there a work
of media that you've been enjoying?
Speaker 3 (01:00:39):
Ooh, this novel is bonkers. It's called Rejection. It's a
fiction work that was long listed for the National Book
Award this year. It's by Tony Tula Tamute and it's
these seven connected short stories all about asshole people facing rejection.
The first essay fiction is about this guy who purports
(01:01:03):
to be an ally and supports women and is woke
as fuck. But after too many women FriendZone him, he
becomes an inceell, and the essay chronicles the shift. Then
the next essay is about a woman who becomes an inceell,
And then you realize, over the course of the book,
all these horrible people facing rejection end up with plotlines
(01:01:24):
that converge and connect. It's wild. I've been covering my
mouth reading the whole thing.
Speaker 1 (01:01:29):
Read it. It's insane rejection. I like it.
Speaker 2 (01:01:33):
Damn classy media recommendation for a classy guests. Oh my god,
Mile Miles, Where can people find you? Is there a
work media you've been enjoyed? Yeah?
Speaker 1 (01:01:45):
Find me on Twitter and Instagram at Miles of Gray.
If you like the NBA basketball talk, you can find
Jack and I on that podcast Miles and Jack Got
Mad Boosties. You can also find me talking about ninety
day Fiance on four to twenty Day Fiance a tweet
I like, is I think I have a tweet? Yes?
Where is it again? I'm going off of the conspiracy
(01:02:06):
theories from Marjorie Taylor Green at Candorade. The Great el
Wilkisimo on Twitter tweeted as a lib. The worst part
of controlling the hurricanes is you still have to send
ninety five percent of them at random Caribbean islands or
the Yucatan or wherever to keep up the ruse that
they're natural. Now, the tornado machine, you can really go
wild on conservatives with that thing. That tornado machine.
Speaker 2 (01:02:29):
Oh wow, that's where you really get to cook, all right,
tweet I've been enjoying PJ at PJ Evans tweeted, Hey guys,
I'll be doing some stuff with mister Beast on this
channel soon. Don't want to give too much away, but
I'll be killing a dentist.
Speaker 1 (01:02:48):
Whoa Also everything mister Beast makes me feel one hundred
years old. I don't want it. Yeah, I don't get it.
What sounds like that that things starting to crumble a
little bit?
Speaker 6 (01:02:59):
Him?
Speaker 1 (01:03:00):
Yeah, I mean it killed that dentist.
Speaker 4 (01:03:02):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (01:03:03):
You can find me on Twitter at Jack Underscore O'Brien.
You can find us on Twitter at Daily Zeitgeist. We're
at the Daily Zeitgeist on Instagram. We have a Facebook
fan page and a website, Daily zeitgeist dot com, where
we post our episodes and our footnote. We link off
to the information that we talked about in today's episode,
as well as a song that we think you might enjoy.
Speaker 1 (01:03:23):
Hey, Miles, is there a song that you think you
might are doing? I think so. Uh, we've I think
we went out on a track before by Remy Wolf.
It was Cinderella. Last time I suggest one to say
a little birdie named Novena Carmel. I overheard this today.
I heard our very Sam Sanders is also a fan
(01:03:44):
of Remy Wolf. Uh, and that's why there's another track
called Poro that I really like to. Remy Wolf has
a great voice, her style is really dope for like
these newer artists. She also if you like Lola Young,
I've suggested a few Lola Young's tracks. Similar same production team,
so like they have overlapping collaborators. So that's why I
think they kind of they have like that little bit
(01:04:04):
of swag to them. So this is choral by Remy Wolf.
Speaker 2 (01:04:08):
All right, we will link off to that in the
footnote from the daily is guys is the production of
by Heart Radio. For more podcasts from my Heart Radio,
visit Yeah Heart Radio, Wrap, Apple Podcast, or wherever you
listen to your pavorite shows. That is gonna do it
for us this morning, but we are back this afternoon
to tell you what is trending, and we will talk
to you all then.
Speaker 1 (01:04:25):
Bye bye,