Red Wine Is Like Weed?! The End Of Letter Grades?! 11.19.21

In episode 1034, Jack and Miles are joined by Kate Hagen to discuss Mommy Made It Hot: Noem’s Daughter GIVING Up The Real Estate Game, A Lot of Schools Are Realizing That Letter Grades Suck, Red Wine is LIKE WEED SERIOUSLY!!!!!, Netflix‘s most watched shit and more!

1. Mommy Made It Hot: Noem’s Daughter GIVING Up The Real Estate Game
2. A Lot of Schools Are Realizing That Letter Grades Suck
3. Faced with soaring Ds and Fs, schools are ditching the old way of grading
4. A Crusade to End Grading in High Schools
5. Red Wine is LIKE WEED SERIOUSLY!!!!!
6. Netflix‘s most watched shit

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hello the Internet, and welcome to season two eleven, Episode
five of Day Guys, de production of My Heart Radio.
This is a podcast where we take a deep to
dive into America's share consciousness. And it is Friday, November. Sure,
it's the fifty eighth anniversary of the Gettysburg Address or whatever,
but more importantly it's National carbonated Beverage with day Ak

(00:26):
Baha black a red blows. Well, my name is Jack O'Brien,
a K may Mayo Mayo chup band. I want to
throw up. That's curtsya Ensen Jensen. Not necessarily true of me.

(00:49):
I don't mind a little Mayo chup, but my wife
not a fan. I'm thrilled to be joined as always
buy my co host, Mr Miles Grass. It's Grebraham Lincoln
letting you know that four blunts and seven edibles ago.
I was smacked playing play Station five. Okay, already smacked,

(01:09):
and then you did four blunts and yeah, how many edibles?
Seven four months and seven edibles ago. It was a
challenging time, you know. And yeah, having Ellen Scandling come
on last week that was last week, right, just kind
of got my mind going again around edibles and my
endocannabinoid system, and I was just like, I was getting

(01:31):
really into it. Then this article came out today saying
like cannabis like compounds are released when you do strength exercising,
like anti inflammatory proper. It's just basically the gist of
it was like lifting weights periodically for your health is
good for you. Way to bring weed. And we'll talk
about those science headlines. Yeah, everybody's trying to get on
that weed train, like math is like smoking weed, but

(01:56):
with numbers and well miles. We are thrilled to be
joined in our third seat by a brilliant, talented writer
whose work has appeared in Playboy, five thirty, The Hollywood Reporter,
and on the Blacklist blog. You've heard her on podcasts
like How Did This Get Made? Seen her in the
documentary The Last Blockbuster. She's the director of community relations
for the Blacklist, which celebrates outstanding and underappreciated screenwriting. And

(02:20):
it's just an all around legend. Mate. Please welcome Kate. Hey,
what's up? Kate? Hey? Guys, thanks for having me, Thanks
for having me back. Excited to join the two times
daily Zygeist club. That's three times you get that that
green paper weight. Very exciting I was just trying to

(02:42):
look up my tweet I was gonna reference because it's
weed related and I thought it was a nice dovetail,
which with what y'all were talking about with edibles. And
now I can't kind the tweet again. You hold on
to that you have totanic search while we're talking total
totally hanging out. You know, her plas into COVID. I

(03:06):
just moved, which is very exciting. I had been in
the same place for nine years and it was nice
to get a little change of scenery, go through all
my ship and start again. But yeah, moving is not
very fun. Who knew what they were you in? In?
Which region did you move to? I just specific as
you'd like in l A. I moved from like East

(03:27):
Hollywood to like Hancock Park area and found a miracle
of an apartment. Yeah, I was like, I was fully
ready to move to like North Hollywood, but I got
really lucky. Check Zillo at midnight, guys. That's my advice,
that's kat. I'm sure you didn't say North Hollywood like that,
like it's a bad place to be my ancestral homeland.
It's not badly listen, howood, I just like I don't

(03:54):
love driving on highways here, so like anything Valley then
like you are dedicated to highways. I was happy to
not have to make that change in my life. But no,
I go to North Hollywood all the time. I have
a bunch of friends who lives like North. I would
name everything in North Hollywood go. I don't believe you
exactly could fire Pizza Lakers right there. Okay, you know,

(04:18):
my favorite video store used to be in North Hollywood,
but they I did love Odyssey. I have a bunch
of VHS tapes from one Odyssey closed but right down
the street from them, Eddie Brand Saturday Mattinee. That. Yeah,
that place is wild. I know. I said, I grew
up like a block from Odyssey, like as a kid,
and I'll always be like, man, she's not a blockbuster.
We go to Jankie Odyssey where the porno is in

(04:40):
the front half of the store and you get to
walk by it as a kid. Yeah, when they were
going out of business, their whole back room was just
like thousands of pornos. It was like, yeah, I bought
my first porno tape out Odyssey Video like when I
was like seventeen or something like just at the age
where they're like, don't you're probably eighteen? Yeah. I remember

(05:03):
being in there and I was like it was like
fucking cheesecake factory menu. I was like, I don't even
know where to can I like almost, I'm not joking,
Like I just closed my eyes and like waved my
hand at this show like this one, I will take
these shout out to gauge. That's a real generational defining line,
like have you ever watched porn on a VHS tape

(05:25):
or media? Have you ever paid paid actual American money?
There's yah because everything these kids don't know. They can
get their weed delivered, They don't have to go to
a right aid parking lot like I used to post
up at and just wait for me to flash my hazards.
Or now they can summon pornography on their cell phones

(05:46):
rather than waiting like four hours for a two megabyte
MPEG video to download. A different time. You do it
for y'all, We do it for you. The youth is
there like seasonality with the Blacklist, Like do you guys
have the Blacklist coming up? We do. We will have
the annual Blacklist coming up in December. I cannot spoil

(06:07):
the date yet, but they's coming soon and I believe
this is going to be if my math is right.
Number seven team, which is really almost of legal voting age,
the Black Clows. Yeah, could buy a porno at honestly. Yeah.
They did have that popcorn machine though that before like

(06:28):
health code laws. You're like, yeah, yeah, I'm sure this
place right, but this pop serve yourself popcorn machine by
the adult video sections they're handing it. Yeah, oh yeah.
I feel like the person behind the behind the desk
at the video store was probably like, look, man, like
I just want you to shave off that mustache that

(06:50):
you've been growing. Like, so, I'm gonna let you do this,
but just you have to promise me to go home
and shave that ship. He's like, look, man, if you
shave it, come back in, I'll remember you and I'll
sell it to you. Then. Oh man, And I still
remember my first mustache. It was that thing was look
at my mustache to say, I remember my first mustache.
You're looking straight up, I remember my first mustache, Miles.

(07:11):
My eyes fogged over as I said I remember my
first mustache, and I looked wistfully up at the clouds.
You worked back into time and body of it. But
we are both mustachioed men right now. You know, I'm
sure people can hear it in our voice. But oh yeah, yeah, okay.
Is it like tax season for an accountant? Is it

(07:32):
like that? Wilder? Are you all pretty like locked in
on your And also please let for people who don't
know about the black List, please tell them about the
Blacklist because that's a very infular like Hollywood thing. Yeah.
It started in two thousand five by my boss, Franklin
Leonard as an annual survey of the most like screenplays
in town. The number two in the number three scripts

(07:53):
on the first Blacklist were Juno and Lars and The
Real Girl, So that was like kind of the launching
pad for writers. Yeah, and over the years it's just
become a really great sort of collection at the end
of the year of really great screenplays that are not
being produced. Tons of writers have come through, something like
you know, twenty five Oscar wins for Blacklist scripts, a
couple billion dollars in global box office, which is pretty cool.

(08:16):
But we also have a two sided marketplace that anybody
anywhere in the world with an English language screenplay or
pilot can upload a script and make it available to
thousands of industry members, and we've had countless writers get signed,
you know, set their scripts up, get movies made, make
other sort of official industry connections that have have been
a springboard. And we take very little credit for that stuff,

(08:38):
you know it we're just sort of the conduit for
those conversations to happen. But it's really cool. I mean,
you know, we also do some really hefty screenwriter's lab programs.
My colleague Megan Holburn does a lot of those. But
that's one of the best parts of the job, is
like seeing folks who did the screenwriter's lab five or
six years ago, like huge studio gigs and things like that. Yeah,
we just you know, I think Franklin realized early on

(09:00):
in his tenure in the industry that like, writers are
very overlooked by the business and you know, it's the
first person who has the idea most of the time
to make the movie, and you know, needed a sense
of community. A lot of times we would do like
dinners with screenwriters a couple of years ago, and it
would be shocking, like, oh, I rewrote one of your
drafts and we've never met in person. Yeah, so It's

(09:22):
been really cool and watch that sort of community developed.
I've been working there since somehow and we have grown
a lot in that time. But yeah, gonna hang out
with writers and see them do their best work is
is a pretty nice thing. What was the last big
thing that came off the Blacklist? King Richard comes out today,
and that was the number two script on the Blacklist
in nineteen I think, so that's that's big doings. I'm

(09:46):
trying to think of some of I was like, when
I first saw the poster for that, I was like,
all right, Like I think I have a sense of
what kind of movie this is. And then I was
at a theater I saw the trailer and I was
like getting tough. You're like, yeah, why are watching this?

(10:07):
Like I don't know what love is. One of my
favorite Blacklist stories though, is that Succession sort of started
as a Blacklist script. Jesse Armstrong had written a script
I believe about the Murdoch family that was on the
Blacklist that sort of morphed into Succession, which is exciting.
So thanks for writing that, Jesse Armstrong. We're all better

(10:27):
for it. And it just has to be like unproduced
or like unpurchased to make it into the not necessarily
unpurchased just the first day of principal photography cannot have
begun if the script makes the Blacklist, like I'm pretty sure,
like when King Richard was on the Blacklist, like Will
Smith was already attached to star, or like was announced

(10:49):
a couple of days later. So yeah, things are on
in various stages of production. But you know, to that
that being said, there are still many many Blacklist scripts
that have have never gotten made. Industry folks who want
some good material go back to the old Blacklist and
see what's still available. But yeah, it's been super cool
to like sort of watch all those folks evolve and
watch the movies enter the mainstream and just you know,

(11:11):
become a part of the conversation. Yeah. I was just
trying to figure out if I should submit my screenplay
that has Will Smith attached already, But it sounds like
I'm good to do that. So yeah, you know, just
just take it to HBO. Max. We'll get you set
up just like real quick. Yeah, we know some people
over there, be pretty quick. Okay, we're gonna get to
know you a little bit better in a moment First,

(11:31):
a few of the things we're talking about. We have
an update on the story about Christie Nomes daughter's licensing
attempts to be a licensed real estate agent appraiser. Okay, sorry,
it's like and also really fucking unfair, how hard it is.
We're gonna talk about a letter grades and whether those

(11:51):
are gonna go away. We're gonna talk about red wine
being like weed according to according to this study, as
well as lifting weights, as well as just existing by
our product. It is like we'd we'd like property all
that plenty more. But first, Kate, we do like to

(12:12):
ask eric guests, what is something from your search history?
I learned a fun fact this week. I grew up
in Cincinnati, Ohio, and I was doing some just like
general spooky Cincinnati googling, and I learned that the very
first commercial haunted house was in Deer Park, Ohio, which
is where my dad grew up, and started in nineteen
seventy as part of the Junior Chamber of Commerce Junior

(12:35):
Chamber of Commerce. But they were called the j CS
for j C Junior Chamber, and they would just like
find spooky abandoned houses and make these like really crazy
themed rooms before the time of leg spirit Halloween stories,
so like homemade props and things like that. But you know,
I grew up in Cincinnati. My whole life in Cincinnati

(12:57):
is kind of a spooky town. But I had no
idea that like the sort of haunted houses we know
it today began there. And I've been fascinated by this
all week. Also, the guy who started it is this
like local gardening expert in Cincinnati. He's on like, you know,
the Grandma radio stations and you're like, how did you
come up with haunted houses? My guy like what? Yeah?

(13:18):
So the like so in the sense that the earliest
sort of documented how haunted house type things were people
just setting up like grandiose displays in rooms and like,
and then that kind of evolved to what we have
now with our characters and mazes and whatnot. Yeah, yeah,
I read that. It was like initially like there were
some earlier haunted houses that were like sort of like

(13:39):
one off things or like in the Great Depression, I
guess there are a bunch of rascally boys out on
the streets on Halloween nights, so they're like, we need
to keep them indoors, so people would like turn their
basements into haunted houses. But yeah, the first sort of
like let's charge admission that, let's make this an event,
like you know, let's make this like a destination. Yeah,
just little Deer Park, Ohio. Yeah, wild times. I lived

(14:04):
in a Dayton for five years, and I remember, like
I have a memory where my friends and I were going.
We're like planning to go to Cincinnati to go to
like this haunted house or I think it was a
haunted hospital there, Like it has multiple floors, it's terrifying,
and then I like babied out and was like, you guys,
I just I don't think we should do it. Exactly

(14:26):
what you're talking about. Yeah, this is like a local legend.
Was like, if you survive every floor, you get like
the top floors the scariest, but you gotta survive. Sign
a waiver if anything happens to you. Yeah. I remember
we were in the van getting ready to go, and
I like came up with an excuse for why I
couldn't go, And I think I like the whole trip.

(14:49):
I don't blame you. I love horror movies that I
do not funk with haunted houses. I do not want
to be touched. I don't want anybody in my face.
Like that's a whole different level. Yeah, that's why I was.
I think the last time we talked about it, I'll
walk through that thing screaming, trying to be more scary
to the characters, just like wild, this is my place,

(15:11):
and I'm just like petrifying. So I don't do It's
not good for my blood pressure. By the way, the
people should know, just so that in case we have
listeners who like to picture things in their mind that
Miles is now a standing podcaster and so we get
like when he was just doing that, he paced around
and was flexing on imaginary the stage. Yeah, this is fun. Man,

(15:34):
like Donald Trump in a debate. Yeah, what is something
you think is overrated? Kate? Oh boy, I'm gonna get
a lot of haters for this one, but I gotta
do it because it's reasonally appropriate. Um. I think Christmas
music is wild overrated, and I think people who start
listening to it like in mid October, like that's a lot.

(15:55):
It's a lot. I'm not saying all Christmas music is bad.
I'm not saying Christmas music shouldn't you played during the
Christmas season, but when there are like three radio stations
dedicated to Christmas music, like November one, that is a
little bit of overkill, guys, I would say, yeah, it is.
Really it's a strange phenomenon that like for a month,

(16:16):
Like that's how powerful Christmas is that for a month
we all just listened to like mediocre music and it's
like the same every year or just yeah, but it is.
I mean it's all about nostalgia, right, So yeah, I
think that's what's wild. Yeah, it's like it's an emotional
safe space for a lot of American people. Like, but
this time of year was great because in school would

(16:37):
be out and I could stay home and there were
gifts and then I saw a family and then I
didn't have to go to school. And I feel like
a lot of my because I'm one of these people,
like I will turn into a straight up Karen starting
December one, Like I trying to wait or maybe right
after that's reasonable though, after Thanksgiving, but the like people

(16:57):
are listening to Christmas music in middlec Over, I'm just like,
that's such a long time and too much of a
thing you like is bad, like it will become meaningless
because I only I really like you're saying, there are
only like sixteen songs I really like, and you will
go through them like songs back then were like ninety seconds,
So you listen to all of them like forty minutes,

(17:18):
you're like, fuck, man, another round that playlist single about
rock again but again. The thing I do is I'll
put on like piano covers, like piano jazz covers of
like Christmas standards at night to make my house feel
like a hotel lobby that I'm not supposed to be in.
M hmm, yeah, I like that. Do you have like

(17:41):
some cinnamon like pot pourri that you can put there?
Yea to some some milling spices. You know what I mean.
You've got that milling spices. I got that I have.
I have my woodwick Yankee candles. You know what I mean?
With that clock, I'm telling I'm not joking about this,
the vibe setting I do. I'm the big austere glass
like non cheerful. I'm just trying to picture like a

(18:03):
fancy hotel at Christmas. I feel like they have like
two giant glass fucking Christmas tree or something so many
orbs or like a like a gigantic what looks like
a scientific glass flask, which is meant to like evoke
a Christmas tree with like ribbon. It's like very minimal,
it's very fancy. I do feel like the early, like

(18:27):
the fact that Christmas is getting earlier and earlier is
probably connected to the overall like infantilization of America, because
like I hadn't really made the connection until like now
I have a three year old who starts asking about
Christmas and like August, and so I feel like it's
just yeah, yeah, like it's you know, the little baby

(18:48):
and all of us being like I want Christmas now
exactly because I'm like, what am I going to deal
with my thirty seven year old reality? Exactly? I'm fucking nine,
let's go. I was just talking to my therapist about
regression and the fact that like so many of us
have for grass during the pandemic, for better and worse,

(19:09):
and like I definitely think that's a huge part of
the Christmas thing getting earlier and earlier. It's like the
world is so bad, people are just looking for like
little slivers of comfort, and Christmas music is one of them.
So I don't want to begrudge anybody's Christmas music listening.
I just like maybe not for you, but for you
that I will say. The real racket is a musician

(19:31):
is like right that Christmas song as we see Mariah Carey,
like you make a bank for the rest of your
life as well your grandchildren, Like yeah, right, can you
imagine like the like you know, like how Anderson Cooper
is like a Vanderbilt and like there's someone the equivalent
of like Mariah Carey's descendants to like they descend from that.
All I want for Christmas money generational wealth, that new money, yeah,

(19:55):
or who knows if they're smart about it, it's old
money by the time. It's like, oh man, if that
hearts around, what's What's something that you think is underrated?
This has been in my crowd this week because my
friend General Hands just did a podcast with one of
the co creators, And I feel like the internet has
been super thirsty for lee Pace recently because lee Pace

(20:17):
has been given us a lot of really great thirst traps.
But I still find people all the time who have
either never heard of or never watched Hot and Catch Fire,
which I think is like the greatest show of the
sort of golden age of TV. I don't know, like
I you know, the sort of founding of computers and
the Internet as we know it today is like not
a thing that I'm like particularly interested in in the

(20:40):
same way that like, you know, Baltimore City politics and
the Wire is not something I thought I'd be interested in.
But the writing on Home Catch Fire is just unbelievable,
and it does a really cool bait and switch. From
season one to season two. You think it's going to
be like another one of these sort of like bad
white Man stories and his sort of like redemption, and
then they just pulled the rug out for under you

(21:00):
and if it comes about the two female leads who
are Carrie Busche and oh my god, what Mackenzie Why
did her name just fallout? Mackenzie Davis? Thank you, yeah,
And they sort of become the leads of the show
and it becomes about sort of like women in business
during a very tumultuous time in the late eighties and
early nineties. Incredible music choices. One of the most elegantly

(21:22):
produced shows that has like a bunch of massive time
jumps in it, which is really cool to like see
characters ten years after we met them. I don't know, man,
It's just one of the best shows, and I still
feel like a ton of people have never seen it.
I think it's still streaming on Netflix. But yeah, if
you have not watched Holton catch Fire, like what a
what a nice cozy blanket of a show about some
fucked up people just trying to be a little bit

(21:43):
better for each other. Damn. Okay, I couldn't take a
suggestion more seriously than from you, So I'm definitely I'm
gonna have to watch it now. It's funny because i'm
looking it up. I'm like, wait, Chris can't Well is
the show under the Crying Nazi from Charlotte of Bill
But it's just an unfortunate common name. It is a
common name. Yeah, but yeah, I liked I watched like

(22:05):
the first couple when I was on and I was like,
this is boring, this is a mad Men rip off.
And then I had friends who were like, no, no, no,
you need to stick with it. And you do need
to stick with it because it kind of becomes a
completely different show after the first season. So yeah, check
it out, guys. The theme music all today this Danish
like E d M producer who are really fun. Okay,

(22:27):
you might remember him from I know you'll remember this
if you remember East Bounding Down when they do Ecstasy
at the dance and there's a song music that's trying
to molder. Yeah, I think one of the guys from
Tangerine dream Too does some of the music, which is
really cool. That's like a nice throwback to all those

(22:48):
great eighties Tangerine Dreams. Course. But yeah, well watch Howland
catch Fire. Guys, it's so good. All right, Well, let's
take a quick break. We're gonna watch howt and catch
Fire and it's entirety and be right back and we're back.

(23:13):
You weren't kidding? What a show? What was it? Mating Switch?
I did watch it onto X Speed, but I think
I got most of it, the one where like somebody
blinks into existence for like one split second and then
flints after existence, or they might have like had a
long SNI was happy forget. All right, let's talk about

(23:39):
Governor Christye Nome and her alleged nepotism issues. Alleged so
her daughter was trying to get a real estate appraiser license.
The tests were not fair, they were too hard, and
so her her mom stepped in to make it all better. Yea,
And what's what's wrong that the most American thing nepotism

(24:02):
and being helped out by rich, powerful by gover mom.
What's government that let graver mom step in and make
it all better? And yeah, like it was a whole thing.
She had to come out and deny it because the
whole thing was like again, if you if you didn't
listen to that episode she want to get her license,
They said, you know, she wasn't even doing the bare minimum,

(24:23):
so we had to deny it. And then the governor
Gnome calls like the like sort of the power brokers
or the people who have the power to decide or
oversee this process of giving these licenses out, summoned them
to her office for like a fucking talk with her
daughter in the fucking room, and then like then suddenly
people were like, oh wait, but now she got approved

(24:45):
after that meeting, which again I just want to refresh
everyone's memory. That led us to this clip where Christine
Nome was very much saying like, look, I don't know
like what's happening here. I just know that here we'll
we'll just like to say it for herself. I raised
her to accomplish things on her own, just like my
parents raised me. Other appraisers went through the exact same

(25:08):
process that Cassidy did, and I'll be honest, my administration
started fixing that process and it was way too difficult. Okay,
So that's really the one part of that thing we
need to hear say. It's like, yeah, man, I had
nothing to do with it. I'm gonna be real. We
changed some ship though to make it easier because it
was really unfair. It was too hard. I mean, let's

(25:29):
be real like, and I'll be honest, it had to
change because it's it is unfortunately too difficult. So yes, her, Well,
it turns out that all this attention on sweet young
Cassidy has been way too much, and now she is,
I guess ready to throw it in And I just
want to read this this sort of excerpt from the AP.

(25:49):
GNOME's daughter, Cassidy Peters, slammed a legislative inquiry and news
reporting on the episode in a letter to Secretary of
Labor Marcia Holtman. She also released a document that alleged
it of Committee was seeking to subpoena Oh okay, so
someone was looking so it was like pois lawmakers were
zeroing in on the timeline of a meeting Gnome called
last year that included Peter's and key decision makers in

(26:11):
a government agency that had moved days earlier to deny
her application. Oh so here's the thing, as she's saying,
like she's gonna quit or like there's nothing to see here.
So I'm curious if she's trying to do that thing
where like maybe you stole something but then you like
you ditch it. So if like people start looking for
you could be like, I never I don't know I
have it, I never really had it, So maybe you

(26:33):
don't have to care about this anymore. Like it's kind
of like her energy. Here's sort of like oh ship
Subpoena's here's this other thing, which leads us to the
next part, which he says, quote, I am writing you today.
This is her writing to the Secretary of Labor. I
am writing to you today to express my disappointment and
anger that my good name and professional reputation continue to

(26:54):
be damaged by questions and misinformation concerning the appraiser certification program.
She went on to say that she would turn in
her fucking appraiser license by the end of the year.
End of the year, though I'm angry, and I can
acknowledge that this has successfully destroyed my business. M hmm,

(27:14):
I mean you hate to see it. It's a assassination.
It's a character assassination of somebody who dared to be like,
this test is too hard. Yeah, that is. That's just
an amazing, like comedy moment of someone sitting down to

(27:34):
a test like that everyone's taking and just like stamp
being like, yo, this is too hard. Right, I'm sorry
what this is too hard? Or maybe you didn't prepare.
I don't know, Like it's like full strike sand effect too.
By calling attention to it's made it such a worse
problem than it would initially be. I love that. Why

(27:56):
women are getting the bulness of old white guys and terms.
It's like, well, too little Tommy, I had a hard
time on the geometry tests, so I'm going to sue
the school board. Oh god, white women are occurs as
a white woman, I would like to just say, and
you know, white women are are exercising nepotism too, like
their male counterparts have been hearing for so many years.

(28:19):
What a nightmare. I mean, look, I would love a
little nepotism. There's a show, there's a track that we
just went out on recently called the mission, and that's
like this black singer or something about like how much
he would yearn to have his kids experience a little nepotism,
and that's the mission. But yeah, this this defense again,
it's like, how dare you point out that my mother
abused her power of her office to make my life

(28:42):
easier all while the regular working poor people had to
just do it with their bootstraps and also misinformation for
good measures. She through that word in there. I'm surprised
she didn't evoke the holy Trinity of right, the right
wing scapegoat trinity of basically being like it's George Sorow,
Antifa and Black Lives Matter once again, critical race theory.

(29:07):
I'm sure that Antony Morrison's beloved. I mean, the stream
of consciousness storytelling in that book completely upended my business.
I'm sorry, I'm an s A T. Proctor. This test
is too hard, this is not fair. I object as

(29:28):
this is not fair. Anyways, just shout out to I
I do. I hope this does not dissuade anybody from
subpoenaing the records and you know, let letting us know,
because I really want to see like the test, like
what she turned in. What what what we're looking at,
like the her first draft of like trying to get
this ship done. I want to see the questions that

(29:50):
she got wrong. Yeah, so keep keep it moving for
us folks. All right, Well, let's talk about schools. Let's
talk about schools being unfair. Yeah, speaking of that, because
you know, in addition to pouring billions of dollars into
the sweatpant industry, the pandemic has changed a lot about
how we think about schooling because parents had to had

(30:11):
to do it. I had to like sit there with
their kids while they were trying to learn. It was
very difficult. But you know, at the end of there
was an unprecedented rise in fs, which you know, it
feels it feels like that is one way to deal with,
like the fact that a complete act of God that

(30:35):
nobody had any control over came in and made it
much harder for kids to learn is to blame it
on the kids and you know, make the rest of
their lives harder by just flunking them. But a bunch
of school boards have been coming together to try to
address this issue, figure out like how they can change

(30:57):
how we think about schooling and you know, how we
judge students in a way that will be more fair
and more appropriate to the modern world, right, because apparently,
like the the letter grade thing was invented like a
hundred years ago or I guess, and twenty day back

(31:17):
to and the reason that it stuck is because it
became like very common in the how we graded meat,
and so that's that's how it got like sort of
became such a grade, right, rate F beef, that's my question. Like,

(31:44):
oh man, my grandfather used to tell a funny story
as the parent of German immigrants who didn't speak a
ton of English, that a bunch of kids which just
lie to their parents about what the grading scale meant.
So it was like F was fine, Dan was damn fine,
CEE was could do better, B was bad and as
awful son. I mean, you know, it has a certain

(32:05):
sort of a sense to it. But kids won't be
able to get away with that ship anymore apparently. But
I like the things that they're you know, looking to
change are basically they want kids to be judged based
on how mastery of the skill they're trying to learn.
So if they have learned it well enough to do it,

(32:28):
then they get by. If they haven't done that, then
they have to keep going. But like which I assumed
is like how teachers were thinking about the letter grades
to write like that, oh well they haven't learned math,
but they're pointing out that, like they're stupid things that
go into somebody failing, like you know, missing a class

(32:51):
or not following directions, and so they're trying to do
away with that sort of thing, right, yeah, go ahead.
I mean all that ship did for me was just
obsess over being and then like scoring above nine on
tests because that was a threshold for an A. And

(33:11):
half the time it was just I mean it was
funny too, because I think the letter I think because
culturally I was so sort of oriented to be like
these fucking a's better be hitting on this card when
I see it. That like it put into me like, fuck,
I gotta do anything to get in a more than
even being like I gotta do whatever it takes to learn.
This became more about you know, can I cramp memory

(33:34):
recall the funk out of this for a test? And also,
truth be told, I hated science. I just started cheating
in science because I was like, funk that I'm not
sucking my grades though, Yeah, I'll fucking I will. I
will order the teacher's edition of this physics book and
do I have the test already? So thank you. It's
so real, though, it's like you're not learning things. You're
just like, let me learn the structure of the eyeball

(33:55):
for this biology quiz and then not retain a lick
of it for any future. Are sort of like things.
But guys, what about our permanent records? It's going to
go on our permanent records? Oh my god, I haven't
even heard you know. You fucked me up just saying
that out loud. This is gonna be on your permanent record, y'all?
Like this is gonna Yeah, It's like I never saw it,

(34:17):
didn't exist about this. He said you were full of shit,
and they're like, well, we'll talk about that at the
parent teacher for any children listeners, Like, not a day
goes by where my permanent record from middle school is
not dangling over my head by the police, by the
I R. S, Banks, employers, everything, the doctor. But yeah,

(34:38):
so La and San Diego Unified school districts are directing
teachers too, and this sounds like what they should have
already been doing based academic grades on whether students have
learned what was expected of them during a course, and
not penalize them for behavior, work habits, and missed deadlines.
It's like, yeah, motherfucker, that that's how we should have

(35:00):
always been doing it. Because the school closures that happened
disproportionately affected the grids of black and Latin X students.
So yeah, right, I mean, it's it's it's interesting too write,
and I'm sure there's plenty of alternative schools that take
this into account because I feel like that's just a
huge focus area for people in education. But like I

(35:21):
think it's like the stakes are just so high, like
they feel so high in this like a through f
system that it will either create like kids will either
very quickly be like Okay, fuck it, I can like
rise to this situation or check out because it just
becomes frustrating, you know, and even if they can, like
I have so many friends who were more than capable
of being in AP classes, but like the momentum of

(35:43):
like academia and like being sort of told like you're
kind of like a C student, It's like no, man,
his parents were fighting all the time, and he was
distracted and couldn't do his fucking homework like other kids
or whatever. Like that's sort of what's happening here. You know,
he's not gonna like this mainstream media. I feel like
the mains stream media is a society of straight A

(36:03):
students got into that and or a lot of students
go ahead and buy on depotism and you know who
like actually think and I think a lot of you know,
just a lot of like the people empower in America,
Well not like this, because there is a belief that like,

(36:25):
well I went to a better college and that means
not that I'm I had more opportunities, but that I'm
like actually smarter and need to like be in control
and like making these decisions that affect other people because
I need to make them for them. Like that is
definitely under like under girding like a lot of how

(36:48):
people think, and I think the media and the world
of finance, and like that's also how they justified just
the generally fucked up way that our society is built out.
So like the idea that what do you mean my
kid can't get straight a's Like that's but it's a
competition based market, I mean society that we have. I'm

(37:11):
glad we've like started having this conversation about gifted kids
and like that whole escalator of madness. Like I don't
know if you guys like we talked too much about
it on Twitter, I will say, and there have been
too many things in the sort of like former gifted
kids do this. But I don't know, Like I myself
and a lot of my friends, it's like, you know,
we've been grinding since we were five, like this, it's

(37:33):
not fun anymore. Like I got all the a's, I
did all the right stuff, I still can't buy a
fucking house, Like I am taking a breather and smoking
some weep like I am not. Like yeah, it's I
hope parents are like loosening the reins on some of
that stuff too, and realizing that, like if every kid
gets straight a's and every kid does all the right

(37:53):
sort of like extracurriculars, like you're still in the same
boat when things like COVID happened. So I don't know,
but I I can, like see the Fox News segment
on this. Now it's gonna be like tied to the
war on Christmas. It's like the war on report cards,
woke woke report cards, where work cards are now woke
because it's even now too hard to hear that you

(38:15):
have failed at something. Yeah, sure, but I mean I
think it goes along with this other thing too, Like this,
these studies constantly come out like again, they're showing like
and like Harvard, like white students that were admitted were
like recruited athletes. Legacy students are like on the Dean's
interest list, meaning like parents gave money, and you're saying
forty three percent of those kids going to Harvard are

(38:38):
there because of not I'm sure of like the hardcore
merit based admissions that many of the other students face.
But there's just always these levels to like it's never
the same scale fight to everyone. So it would be
interesting to see where something where it's like, yeah, I
guess what in this version, this kid too will be
treated as a valid applicant to a school because we

(38:59):
have a more just sort of holistic, even keeled way
of saying like, yep, this kid knows that this kid
does too. We are the best of the best of
billion of the children. But so there are reason to
believe that this is a better pristance. There's a school
in New York City that tried this, basically did away

(39:21):
with letter grades, and it was a middle school, and
they say in this Washington Post article quote, the approach
has been transformative. In the fourteen school years, seven percent
of its students read at grade level and five percent
met the state's math standards. Two years later, twenty nine
percent were proficient in English, twenty six percent proficient in math,

(39:42):
pulling the school close to the city average, just by
getting rid of these standards of past fail and like
the I also feel like there's like there are a
lot of great teachers like I. I've had a lot
of great teachers. I've also seen teachers who feel empowered
because they get to be like past fail, I get

(40:05):
to pass judgment on these kids lives. Fucking miss heacocks,
I still remember your ass. I don't think we've forgotten.
Yeah she tried. But guess what, I'm good at math,
So there's you can't hold me down. There are some
teachers that are just like straight sabers, and you know,
to say not to malign the many many wonderful, dedicated

(40:27):
like this is their life's work. Teachers in the world.
But you do think back on some of those teachers
you had, You're like, what was your deal? Man? Like
what was going on here? Like, right, I had this
like older person just take all their like life's anger
out on me. Like legit. When I look back, and
you kind of have the wherewithal to understand like human
behavior a little bit more outside of like the academic

(40:47):
or like child adult dynamic, I was like, Yo, you
were so fucking unhappy with your life and you just
got your jollyes off walking in here and just acting
a fool like that was really that was the loop
you were caught in. Unfortunately we were calling you the teacher. Yeah,
but again, like you're saying, I've luckily had so many

(41:10):
good teachers that, like I could tell I was maybe
like starting to check out or whatever. I was just distracted.
I'd rather funk around or something. And they would always
come like kind of you know, gass you up and
be like, hey man, you're smart, like you can do
this ship like just do it. I'm like, all right,
you got well. And that's such a problem with like
contemporary schooling too, is like we all have such specific
ways of learning and retaining information and teachers have to

(41:33):
figure out the thirty different styles of that for every
kid in their class, every period. Teachers should be making
like five grand a year. Yeah, they should be the
ballers of the earth. Like if you go to a
nightclub and they're coming through a bottle service and the
fucking flares, you're like, oh, you know the teachers in
the building. There should be a bunch of ugly sweaters
at the booth that those Yeah, just like sipping in

(41:55):
the crystal. Yeah, like shout out all the teachers in
the building. We've got to want drinks for teachers. I
like this club. All right, we're going to take a
quick break and we'll be right back to find out
why red wine is like weed. Seriously, you guys, And

(42:22):
we're back, and yeah, it seems like everybody wants to
get on the legal weed bandwagon. The approval rating for weed,
I feel like it's just shot through the roof. Oh yeah,
another conservative see like the revenue potential, Like they're introducing
fucking bills now, Like, yeah, we didn't decriminalize weeds, folks.

(42:42):
I don't know what the fuss going on with everybody, man,
but you criminalized weeds. Yeah, immediately you're like, okay, sure,
but yeah, I mean weed is uh, you know, becoming
more and more normal and there. But here's the thing, man, Like,
so there's these studies it's like the weed like things
the from working out will enter your body, which I understand.

(43:05):
Like there's always like headlines like that were like this
computer algorithm invented the new heroin, or like chocolate consumption
links to longer life, and you're like, I like that
as a headline. I'm not gonna look into it much
more than that because I like the idea that me
eating this chocolate will extend my life. And then you
look into it, you're like, there's properties within chocolate, like

(43:25):
in this very narrow study when you used this way
had a better effect for like mice. And then you're like, well,
that has nothing to do with me eating this gigantic
Thanksgiving pie from reesus. So in this sense, you know,
it's like the sensational mixed with the scientific, and it
usually drives a lot of clicks because you like hearing things.
It's like weed makes you smarter, and you're like, okay, great,

(43:46):
and then you look you're like, maybe this wasn't the
hardest of sciences. But this one was very interesting and
just saying like red wine is like it's giving people
like a weed type feeling. And this was the sort
of subheading under this study quote red wine induces psychological
states characterized by Bliss, a focus on the present moment
and enhanced fascination with one surroundings, and a softening of

(44:09):
the differentiation between oneself and the environment, where when consumed
in a tranquil environment, According to a new research study,
I said, oh, okay, this is the first time I
started to wonder, and it would it would be like
the end of Usual Suspects when he starts like seeing
all the things that Kayser says it was on the

(44:30):
bottom of the mug. Yeah, Like is there a big
red wine? Like is there a big wine? That is
like putting all these studies out because I feel like
all my life, all I've heard is like red wine
is actually like basically fucking health food. You guys like
it's kind of crazy that we don't let kids drink
red wine because it would make them live till they're

(44:51):
a thousand years old and make them smarter. Hey, snoop dogg,
here's three billion bucks to say weeds the red wines
the new weed. Yeah for shizzle, I guess it is
red whistle, but yeah, maybe there is big red Wine.
Oh yeah, you know they were behind that. This was
like five or six years ago, but I read I

(45:13):
don't even know what publication was in, but it was
about big kale and how kale suddenly became like a
sexy vegetable again, And it was because they dumped like
millions of dollars into marketing kale as this like super
food when it had been garnish on like buffet, pizza, salad, buffets.
Pizza Hut was the biggest consumer of kale to buffet

(45:35):
for all the nineties because those red cups. Yeah, just
because they used it as the garnish in between like
things on the And then there is a big red
wine because they've realized to a bunch of like wine
moms who realized that we eat is like easier to
deal with on a daily basis than red wine. It's
the same thing like with Rose. Like Rose definitely had

(45:56):
a huge push from I guess whatever. They're quick enough.
Lobbyists are, but like you know, their consultants who go
out and like we're like, hey man, it's all about rose.
Here we go. But yeah, so this study, You're like, Okay,
I guess what red wine will make you feel like
Matthew McConaughey or you're transpending space time and like your
connections to oneself are enhanced. So I'm like, okay, well,

(46:19):
what's the methodology around this? Exactly? Because again, very interesting,
you know proposal from this abstract. So you go in
and say, well, what's going on? The methodology fucking sounds
like some ship I would have tried in the in
the eleventh grade, because it's not. Really the methodology isn't
that great. They essentially had people fill out a questionnaire
at a fucking wine bar where people who fucking love

(46:43):
wine are already hanging out, And I just want to
read it from this article quote. After arriving at the
wine bar and being seated at the table, the participants
completed questionnaires regarding their demographics, drinking habits, and smoking habits.
They also completed various measures of altered states of consciousness.
The participants were asked to drink two glasses blah blah blah,
and then they said after they finished their second glass
of wine, the participants completed the measures of altered states

(47:06):
of consciousness. Again, Now, I'm not a scientist, although I
always say I am on this show, and I apologize
to listeners that have believed my science advice. But isn't
it like not good to tell people in a study that, like,
here's the thing we're gonna measure you, measure you on
on the other side of this too, like I feel
like you'll you'll, you'll stealth it in the many questions

(47:26):
or something so they can't quite pick up on what's
being asked, so your answers aren't biased. But you have
to do like double blind studies where and usually like
they'll lie to you about what the studies like in
a well designed study, they'll like lie to you about
what it is, like what that they're testing, so that
you're not thinking about the thing that they're actually testing.

(47:47):
This sounds like it is like already people who have
a concerted interest in thinking it's cool and healthy to
drink wine since they're at a wine bar, and then
they're like, hey, we just want to know like how
cool and healthy it is for the one, so like
that's what we're gonna be asking you about. Right. It's
like how I was able to crack like the quantum physics,

(48:08):
like wildest equation with the help of meth. I was
told to you by people who are addicted to meth.
It's like, well, hold on, like, who is this group now? Yeah? Yeah,
I'm way more interested in people who like don't drink
or rarely having those effects, Like yeah, if you're at
a wine bar drinking wine, you're probably having a pretty
good time to begin with. Not the most sort of

(48:30):
sterile or like neutral venue for such a study, But
he's the thing. You're like, Okay, well, then what about
the control group? There was none. There wasn't even a
control group, And I'm gonna just read these people are
like what this is not? How dare people even post

(48:50):
this SIDS quote. Some people may argue that the lack
of a control group drinking non non alcoholic beverage impeded
us to examine the effects of just being in a
pleasant wine bar. However, this is unlikely to have influenced
the results because when we were doing the study, it
was clear that for most people, sitting in a wine
bar drinking a non alcoholic beverage would have been a

(49:10):
boring an average experience. What what yo? Was the study
designed and conducted by Christie Elms daughter. I feel like
we were doing this study really defensive. In contrast, the
effects we observed were of a highly positive nature. But

(49:31):
because some researchers may not be aware of how boring
control conditions with non alcoholic drinks can be, in these cases,
we would include one in the next study that science guys,
that's like your eighth grade science teacher like being like, no,
you did not do this experiment correctly. Look, if you

(49:53):
were there in the backyard like doing this experiment, you
wouldn't know that it's stupid too, Like you wouldn't even
done it. I guess I'll do over the next one. Plus,
they missed an opportunity because it's really fun to give
people a nonalcoholic beverage and tell them they're getting drunk
and see, like how wild that could just I mean,
that really should have been it to be like people

(50:13):
that you could have been like people at wine bars
are full of ship y'all. Let me tell you why,
because we gave them fucking juice and they said they
were feeling one with the universe. Then the one of
the sort of authors of the city just went on
again just to kind of clarify, Like, I'm not saying
we wine's gonna do all this, but this quote. I
believe that the appreciation of red wine and other alcoholic

(50:34):
beverages can be increased when we are more aware of
its effects on the mind. It also, it's also possible
that being aware of the effects of alcohol on consciousness
contribute contributes to healthier drinking styles by reducing impulsive drinking
that is characterized by lack of awareness. However, research is
needed to confirm this. Okay, folks, we're out o man.

(50:59):
So what they have the two things that they've discovered
People at wine bar enjoy wine. That's good study to
study for that second bullet point, like wines pretty good.
Like alcohol is not that bad after to drinks, just
like don't drinking, which like everybody knows, Like that's yeah,
if everybody just stopped at to drinks, that'd be great.

(51:21):
We wouldn't have the problems that we do with alcohol.
But that is not news to anybody, right. I know
some people with some wine stained teeth that will absolutely
uh yeah, I'm talking about this. I feel like wine
became the new beer of like because it was beer
in the nine News with the like, oh, I drink,
but I like drink on the lighter side of things,

(51:43):
and then it switched to become wine. I don't know.
I quit drinking a couple of years ago because I
have a bum stomach. And it is fascinating to like
be in a bunch of context where people are drinking
and like some people are legitimately horrified, but you like,
don't drink anymore, guys. It's not like a personal affront
to you. I just like I have to do this.
And I threw up, like that's not fun. You're saying

(52:06):
I have a dry I drink too much, right, I'm
like I'm probably high right now, Like I'm not a
judgment right, Yeah, interesting to see who really gets upset
when you're not drinking, because it's so like baked into
the fabric of so many things, and it's like, you know,
you hear people be like, oh, well, I can't do
that till I have a couple of drinks or like

(52:27):
you know, I need to get a little toasty, and
you're like, dude, not until I've had my wine? Yeah
really okay, all right? And finally I just wanted to
Every once in a while, we like to check him
with Netflix to see who's watching what, and they just
issued a overall list of the top TV that's ever

(52:48):
been available for streaming on Netflix, in the top films
that's ever been available, And yeah, I would I would
love to hear kate your thoughts on this. The big takeaway,
the big update is this is post squid Game, and
so the previous high had been Bridgetin at s million
hours viewed and now we have squid Game season one

(53:13):
at one point six billion, so it's almost triple the
previous high, and like the the second most watch show.
So like everything else is pretty much where where was
last time we checked that. I don't see too much
that's new you. It seems to be room. Uh yeah

(53:35):
you all right, you are running up the charts. Yeah wait,
hold on, I was on Netflix, Laura, give it a
fucking rest. Okay, So I guess I'm interested in hearing
your thoughts on like trends you're seeing broadly across the
types of screenplays they are like being greenlit and written

(53:57):
and like, I don't know, it seems like a socialist
critique of capitalism, like resonating with audiences, like like what
has been a revelation to a lot of people like
we're we're writers already on the case. Do you think
that that is going to be a new trend or
what are your thoughts on all that? I mean, let

(54:18):
us hope. So I do think it's incredibly fascinating that,
like the number one Netflix TV show of all time
is an international show that, like I'm not saying nobody
in Hollywood would have taken a chance on, but like
the creator has talked about, he got passes for like
ten years and then suddenly it becomes this monster hit
on Netflix. And I think it's a good lesson in

(54:39):
being like fuck the trends, like funk what everybody else says,
like make the thing you want to make and make
it well, and like the audience will find itself. I am.
I'm really interested that Netflix is sort of switching their
metric from the like two minutes watch to like what
is it now? An hour or like half of whatever
the thing is. It's not old Facebook style, but like

(55:03):
two minutes watched, you're like, yeah, that's like I went
to get a drink after my thing ended and two
minutes of Red Notice played. I did not watch Red
Notice like that. The Red Notice that is wild to
me though, that they're saying, what is it seventy four
million households watched Red Notice because like, I don't know
anybody who did um, But yeah, you know, I think

(55:24):
it's an interesting time for content. I am hoping we
keep on this trend of like, at least in the
immediate future. I don't want to see any media about COVID,
Like I don't want any topical like, oh, it's like
of the moment. We're like, we're like all the people
were like, oh, guys, but during Trump, we're going to
get so much good art. Like we did not, folks,
we did not get a bunch of good Trump art.

(55:46):
There's that one X Files episode that was like literally it.
But yeah, you know, it is interesting, Like I think
people are craving more if this sort of like feel
good escapist stuff like if ted Lasso comes out two
years ago, I don't know fit has the same sort
of reaction it does in the pandemic when everybody is
home and like on the other side of that coin,

(56:06):
I don't think everybody is like feeling bad watching five
episodes of Tiger King if they're not like immediately quarantined.
But I don't know. I think the thing that's most
excited about streaming to me, just like generally, is that
we might see a little bit of a bounce back
in these sort of like middle budget movies that have
been really swallowed up in the theatrical It's like you're
either going super Indie Awards route or you're going huge

(56:29):
tent pole for a studio. And there have been to
some things I feel like that have been popping up
on streaming that are a little bit more in that
middle zone. So that's definitely exciting to me. Like bird Boxes,
I guess that was like kind of a like there
were a lot of effects and it had to create
a post Puck elliptic reality, but it wasn't like what
it wasn't like pre existing I p And it wasn't

(56:51):
you know. An extraction is just basically a straight down
the middle like action movie that used to be made
in like the eighties and early nineties but not really
so much any more. Yeah, the Extraction when they're is
fascinating to me that that's like one of the most
watch movies on the platform. And then The Irishman, which
cost a ton of money but like it's all on
the screen too, so you're like, Okay, like Martin, you

(57:14):
get to Happy Birthday short Kang Martin Scorsese yesterday. But yeah,
I think these trends are gonna be really interesting, especially
as people like Scorsese are making like, you know, a
hundred million dollar movies for Apple, which is his next one. Yeah,
I think, you know, I don't know, Like sometimes I
feel good, what I'm depressed to watch something like really
feel bad and nihilistic, But like, I don't know, after

(57:35):
the last couple of years, you're like, I don't know
how much brain bandwidth I have for anything, let alone somethings. Yeah,
it's gonna make me feel terrible, so I will just
watch another episode of Bake Off. Do you like? I
think do you think that there's because I've been wondering
if we're not headed for a like time when conservative

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like in the eighties, you know, conservative media was kind
of a thing, or like the Reaganism was kind of
a thing. Do you foresee that or like, have you
seen any trends towards that in like the screenplays are
getting made, or like just any like regressing a little
bit in that sense. Yeah, I mean I think this

(58:19):
moment that we're in in terms of justlike new satanic
panic or like all of the shady ship that's been
going on around credit card companies and banks and sex
workers and the sort of like you know, crushed to
to make everything, like I don't know, more palatable for
all audiences, or like I don't know, I noticed this
all the time on Twitter, like people being like I

(58:42):
had a hard time with this piece of media. So
it's like inherently terrible to portray this subject because it
was triggering to me, which I think is an interesting
conversation to have. But I also don't think we can
just like dismiss media wholesale because like it was upsetting
to us, like you know, a very a specific person.
I don't mean in the sense of like you know,

(59:03):
Chappelle making the transfers. That's a different conversation, but like,
you know, the shitty boyfriend in this thing reminds me
of my former shitty boyfriends, So the whole thing is
bad and we should canceled it. Like that's a different,
different line of thinking. But yeah, I mean, I think
you'll get to see some of these like new conservative movies. Um,
like what's Ben Shapiro doing like that whole school shooting movie. Yeah,

(59:29):
it's a it's a no thanks for me, folks, but yeah,
I mean the thing I always point to with this
is like, you know, there are a bunch of those
like inspirational Jesus e movies that get made every year,
and they seem like they fly under the radar. But
then you look and you're like, oh, this movie cost
two million dollars and made forty million dollars and I've
ever heard of it. Like yeah, so I don't know,

(59:50):
I'm sure leaving money on the table. Yeah, you know,
you can write the funk out of a Jesus movie.
That'd be like, this is one of the best ones
I've ever seen. Yeah, to keep it holy. You know,
I speak the language. I was indoctrinated for K through twelve,
So yeah, I'll stay in bounced. But yeah, it's gonna
be interesting. I feel like, you know, this sort of

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like like all the parents who were outraged about Disney
putting like, you know, sort of content warnings on some
of the more problematic older movies and stuff. I don't know, like,
you know, at what point do those folks totally give
up on like traditional media and start doing their own
thing because it's too biased or too woke or whatever.
But you know, I don't know. I don't see those

(01:00:31):
Disney adults giving it up. No no, no, no, no no.
So it's religion, it's religion. I mean, my my the
thing is that the way that they've taken like the
legitimate complaints of you know, people of color or you know,
people who are poor and people who like don't have

(01:00:51):
enough money to have healthcare in America, Like, the way
they've taken those is they've like made it into like
converse stations about like warnings on Disney movies. And I
think by doing that they are making like that those
initial legitimate complaints seem ridiculous. And so that's what that's

(01:01:13):
where my area of concern is, is that that becomes
the mainstream like I thought people have when they hear
woke or they hear like anything coming from the left,
is like, oh, you just like are worried about like
content warnings or whatever. And I think they're kind of
succeeding in doing that. And I'm a little worried about that. Yeah,

(01:01:34):
I don't know too. I think we've had we have
a real problem in American media right now in terms
of how we're exploring class, Like I don't know, like
my favorite movie is Pretty in Pink, right, nobody's idea
of like a great cinematic masterpiece. But you think about
like that movie at its core is about class and
about rich boy, poor girl and how that affects their relationship.
And like grew up in the nineties, we had things

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like you know, like Roseanne or like a different world
that we're sort of like delving in to class and
how it affects people's lives. And we're living in this
incredible moment where like a lot of folks are getting
wise to the fact that the system is and has
been screwing us for many, many years, And you would
think that we'd be seeing more media sort of address
those big classifiedes. And I think something like Squitch game

(01:02:16):
shows that people have a real appetite for it. Yeah,
but you're like, why aren't we making more of this,
Like where is the sort of like today's Roseanne? Because like,
you know, look, I think that as many like terrible
conservative people as there are in the world, I think
about like my dad's family, who's like, you know, a
bunch of Kentucky coal miners but have voted Democrat every election,

(01:02:39):
like have always leaned liberal. It's like there's nothing that
represents them, Like there's nothing that sort of speaks to
being like, you know, lower middle class are working poor
in America right now, when that's the reality for a
lot of people, and there are ways to do that
that it's not like eating your vegetables and not just
like social realism. I think that's why South Side is

(01:03:00):
a fucking it's like almost flawless, and that these people
have normal fucking jobs, and it's very centered in the
fact that it's not like, hey, we made it to
Hollywood and now we're famous, so now we can just
write from our experience now and leave all this other
ship behind. I think that's like one of the things
I love about Southside is that it really you're like,
oh ship, this feels very like working class and it's

(01:03:22):
touching on like what what just the day to day
would be, although very heightened for comedic purposes, but it's
still centered in like that world rather than I think
you look at most shows now it's like people who
live in impossible apartments with impossible incomes and there's no
real talk about it because it's about the it's about
the struggle with the characters, and while also feeding people

(01:03:43):
this idea, it's like, well, why aren't you rich like
these people on the screen. It's the difference between like, yeah,
they're they're Most shows just take place in the world
where money there. There is no financial reality, so like
it might as well not have gravity, Like that's how
like just oft it is. It's to pervade ace of
like carry lives in like an incredible apartment and they're

(01:04:03):
like Sherman Palladino shows like her shows are like that too,
or I'm like, I'm sorry, does she where's the childcare
for this woman's kids? If she's out doing open mics,
Like where's that discussion? But the like shows like Atlanta
and Squid Game like feel you know, revolutionary just by
being like no money is the thing. People need it

(01:04:26):
to survive and that is a central conflict of their lives.
And I think that goes to say, start empowering creators
writers who like are coming drawing from that experience rather
than like I feel like so many people now are
get in the habit of like, Okay, well this is
what's popping in the industry. This is what I'll try
and do on spec or whatever, rather than like creating
more momentum and say like, hey, your story about being

(01:04:49):
a fucking janitor or whatever. That's valid and guess what
more people do what you do than are Kendall roy
so well need escapism, Like I'm not arguing that, like, yeah,
that's fine, all that stuff can remain. We just need
more of the other side, more of the like counterweight,
because yeah, I think a lot of people would appreciate

(01:05:11):
like more sitcoms, more movies that are like speaking to
some actual real problem ship then like you know, another
another superhero origin story. You know, it may just be
like sort of at this moment where they the they
have people have to be aware of the level of
class consciousness that's existing in the content because it tends

(01:05:32):
to have a really potent effect on somebody watching. Like
Squid Game, people went, damn, that's just wild. They got
killed over red light, green light, And then by the
third episode people were like, comrade, I am ready to
bring the capitalist system down because it connects these things
in a very real way. And I think and if
I was some you know, whatever, if they're if the

(01:05:53):
Illuminati exists type person the people who are like looking
at what is happening in the world. You'd be like, yeah,
content like that actually has a lot of communicative power.
But yeah, well, will will we invest in that? I hope,
I hope we do, because more squid games please, we
need it. Left squid Game parties hosted by Chrissy Tag
I'm just completely missing the point. It's like, yeah, so

(01:06:17):
fun dying in this capitalist how whole, What a great
time with my girls. Let's plays for your organs. We'll
have real poor people at my party. Yeah, they're gonna
and they're legit poor people, Like it's crazy, like they
smell on everything, Like oh okay, okay. It's been such

(01:06:39):
a pleasure having you as always. Where can people find
you and follow you? Yeah? You find me on Twitter
and Instagram at that Hagen girl th h A t
h A g E n g r r l um.
You can find me related to Blacklist happenings. I'm on
a bunch of podcasts. Yeah, pop over on Twitter. That's
probably where I'm most active still and fortnately and uh,

(01:07:03):
is there a tweet or some of the work of
social media you've been enjoying. You know, we we've been
talking about weed a lot this episode, and there is
a meme that's been going around that is, if you're
ever sad, just remember the world is four point five
billion years old and you somehow managed to exist in
the same time as the weed pen, which is so true.

(01:07:24):
It's a good imagine telling your seventeen year old self
you would have just like a cool weed vape that
you can smoke anywhere. I have three pairs. I have
three outfits in my car to change in and out
of to smoke on my way to minimum wage job.
Miles Where can people find you with tweet you've been enjoying.
You can find me on Twitter and Instagram at Miles

(01:07:47):
of Gray and also catch the other show four twenty
Day Fiance. Speaking of weed, where we talk about that's Sophia,
Alexandra and I some tweets that I like. First, one
is from Dana Bad is from Dana Donley's all account.
You just coxed her bro No, it's it's it's on there.
Come on now, come on now, I mean, or maybe not,
maybe you didn't get it when it said bad Dana.

(01:08:09):
Dana Bad is the handle for that and damn for
an altout already almost got fiftyk followers to keep your
eye on her. Speaking of weed, I'm getting an eye
exam and I was like, I smoked weed before this?
Will that affect my results? And the optomics tress was like,
why did you smoke weed before this? It's twelve pm. Okay,
I guess she's not about this life. It feels right.

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And another one from Connor Wood at fibula f I
b U l A A don't really drunk text, but
I'll have two coffees on an empty stomach and send
the most humiliating message of my life before ten am.
H ship. Let's see. You can find me on Twitter
at Jack Underscore O'Brien tweet I've been enjoying. Josh Gondleman

(01:08:53):
tweeted if Ebene's er Scrooge existed today, he'd have a
wife half his age and spend Christmas on a private
island and every think about the Cratchet family plus the
ghosts will get doctor by as Twitter fan boys. Yeah,
there's no way he would ever come into context with
the people who work for him, Like it's done. Funny
out of years that you can find us on Twitter

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about today is episode as well as a song that
we think you might enjoy. Myles, what song do we
think people might enjoy? This is a new band I
just stumbled upon from I believe I want to say Germany.

(01:09:38):
Let me just confirm that, yep, Leipzig. They are called
Mutel Kabbala Power Ensemble and what they do is like
a very interesting They sound like if like kids in
Europe only listening to like Morning becomes Eclectic on k
CRW and then start a band because they're all like
these German guys, but they're playing the funk out of

(01:09:59):
like afro be like funky sort of samba. Like. Their
foundation is very much built in like world like world music,
very rhythmic music. So when I first heard this little
opening like pluck baseline, I was like, oh, this is
fucking nasty. So this is a track called Mamori m
A m A r I by the Muto Cabella Power
Ensemble and it's just just good instrumental music, so you know,

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