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August 21, 2024 63 mins

In episode 1729, Jack and Miles are joined by co-host of Secretly Incredibly Fascinating, Alex Schmidt, to discuss… Rightwing Trolls Seem To Have Lost That Magic Sparkle They Once Had..., Kamala Implies Inflation Caused by Corporate Greed... Corporate Owned Media Freaks Out, Disney Illustrates Why ‘Terms and Conditions’ Agreements Need To Be Abolished and more!

  1. Rightwing Trolls Seem To Have Lost That Magic Sparkle They Once Had...
  2. GOP senator slams ‘radical leftist’ Tim Walz for ‘getting married on the anniversary of Tiananmen Square’
  3. Kamala Implies Inflation Caused by Corporate Greed
  4. Washington Post hits Harris over ‘populist gimmicks’ in economic proposal
  5. Check it out: This is what the average household spends on grocery costs per month
  6. Disney Illustrates Why ‘Terms and Conditions’ Agreements Need To Be Abolished
  7. Disney wants wrongful death suit thrown out because widower bought an Epcot ticket and had Disney+
  8. Do we actually agree to these terms and conditions?
  9. Why is it essential to read the terms and conditions before signing?
  10. Disney seeks to dismiss wrongful-death suit over app’s fine print
  11. Disney and Pub Sued After Doctor Dies of Severe Allergic Reaction
  12. Disney gives up on trying to use Disney Plus excuse to settle a wrongful death lawsuit
  13. Disney's Terrible Argument In Wrongful Death Case Should Be A Lesson For Biglaw Attorneys Everywhere
  14. Terms And Conditions Are The Biggest Lie Of Our Industry
  15. I tried to read all my app privacy policies. It was 1 million words.
  16. What Happens When You Click ‘Agree’?
  17. No one reads the terms of service. Lawmakers want to fix that with a new 'TLDR' bill.
  18. Graphic novel version of the Terms And Conditions

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Speaker 1 (00:05):
I have to, like, I have to turn all the
way off, and I tell my partner, like, I don't
want to watch a movie that's smart. I don't want
to watch a movie that is challenging or difficult for me.

Speaker 2 (00:13):
I got a good one for you, The Union, starring
Mark Wahlberg and Halle Berry.

Speaker 1 (00:19):
Oh, America's greatest actor, Mark Wahlberg.

Speaker 2 (00:21):
Yeah, America's greatest patriot, America's greatest actor. Would have gone
down a lot different if he had been there for
literally any of the horrible attacks in American history.

Speaker 1 (00:32):
Yeah, I should I should include some alternate histories of
the terrorist events in my show where Mark Wahlberg stopped.

Speaker 2 (00:38):
Them Pearl Harbor. That sh would have gone down a
lot different if I had been there, Bro.

Speaker 3 (00:42):
I would have told, Hey, keep your head on a swibble, Bro,
keep your head on a swibble. Bro. I think literally
they're sending it. They're sending messages that they're gonna attack Bro.

Speaker 1 (00:49):
But anyway, Yeah, if Mark Wahlberg had been in the
radio tower, he would have said something, yeah.

Speaker 2 (00:55):
Yeah, absolutely clear, eyes, warm heart, Hello the Internet, and
welcome to season three point fifty one, episode two of.

Speaker 4 (01:08):
Dr Day's iisting production of iHeartRadio. This is a podcast
where we take a deep dive into America's shared consciousness.
And it is Tuesday, August twentieth, twenty four eight.

Speaker 3 (01:22):
Twenty two four mm hmm, which means National Accessible Air
Travel Day, is National Chocolate pecan pie Day, National radio Day.
Don't care about that because this is podcasting. Yeah, and
that's it for today. Just three three things, just the
three menu.

Speaker 2 (01:38):
Damn, just three on the menu down out here, and
pick can pie? You a fan?

Speaker 3 (01:43):
Oh yeah? Oh fuck yeah, even not even in a
pie like in like the roasted in a bag. I
could fucking dust a bag fucking seconds straight. It's just
something so delicious about it. I think.

Speaker 2 (01:55):
Are they like greasy?

Speaker 3 (01:56):
Is that why? Yeah, they got a little greasy.

Speaker 2 (01:58):
Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah yeah. I didn't fuck with them before,
but yeah now I'm a I'm up the cam bitch
for sure.

Speaker 3 (02:04):
Okay.

Speaker 2 (02:05):
My name is Jack O'Brien aka the the cam Bitch
aka sit in on the trash, eating garbage, ripping them
crows into in the half with my mind on a
murderer and a murder on my mind. That is courtesy
of m P L M D nine seven four four

(02:26):
six seven of course that's just going off off the dome.
I just that name, I just sticks in my brain. MP.

Speaker 3 (02:36):
Yeah, well, I don't know.

Speaker 2 (02:39):
I'm always worried that I'm like mispronouncing or like missing
something in the screen name, Like.

Speaker 3 (02:44):
Is M P L M D?

Speaker 2 (02:46):
Is that like maple doctor or something? You know, like
is ninety seven four four sixty seven like some code
that I should know?

Speaker 3 (02:55):
Yeah, I don't know? Wow? Or nine? What happened September seventh,
thineteen forty four? There's so many ways to break that down.

Speaker 2 (03:03):
September forty four through nineteen sixty seven.

Speaker 3 (03:06):
Yeah, seven or four? Yeah, yeah, my golden era.

Speaker 1 (03:11):
It's the last six of his social that's yeah.

Speaker 2 (03:14):
Which, yeah, that shit doesn't matter anymore. Ye, every single
one of them. So we can stop fucking worrying. I'm
just gonna go go ahead and say mine right now.

Speaker 3 (03:25):
Yeah, so yeah, I think a couple episodes back.

Speaker 2 (03:29):
Did you?

Speaker 3 (03:30):
Yeah, you're brave, brave, don't give I see them unredacted
in court documents all the time.

Speaker 1 (03:35):
They're not careful.

Speaker 3 (03:37):
Yeah right, that's wow.

Speaker 2 (03:40):
They're just like, yeah, it doesn't anymore. Whatever, Like we
have to build a new system. We haven't done it yet.
But that we need to build a new system because
everything is for free on the internet everywhere. Well, speaking
of for free on the internet, I'm thrilled to be
joined as always by my co host mister Miles Gray.

Speaker 3 (04:00):
Yes he's back, the bee boy champion of North Hollywood
who missed my flight to Paris for the Olympics, the
original bee boy Gray Gun in the building. Thank you
so much for having me. Uh you know, a lot
of my moves were premiered in ray Gun's actual breakdancing
battle set, inspired that one, the human scissor, the rub

(04:23):
my head on the ground like a mop. These are
awesome seminoles.

Speaker 2 (04:28):
I know so specifically too, the she really did.

Speaker 3 (04:34):
I was like, get that, ray Gun, go ahead, go ahead,
make a mockery of it.

Speaker 1 (04:38):
The organ Zoo had a great TikTok sound like my mother.
I saw a lovely TikTok that you would enjoy. But
the organ Zoo took Zoo clips of her Olympic breakdancing performance,
and so obviously she did the kangaroo move, but they
took each move from the performance and showed a kangaroo
doing a very similar operation wow, and just sort of

(04:59):
cut them together back and forth like Raygun the kangaroo.
Raygun the Kangaroo is beautiful. I would give the kangaroo
a ten out of ten.

Speaker 2 (05:06):
I like the end of Usual Suspects where it's all
coming together and ray Gun was like cooling things, but
it was all just from kangaroos.

Speaker 1 (05:14):
I mean, he thinks about it. She should get extra
points for it being you know, Australian nationalism.

Speaker 3 (05:19):
Yeah, yeah, absolutely, Like, oh, my moves are mark I
do Marsupial based movements and I think that's what people
need to look at through that lens and analyze my
dancing from there.

Speaker 1 (05:28):
Talking about the culture of break dancing, it's unique to
the to the area where the dancing is occurring. So
in Australia, just kangaroo moves.

Speaker 3 (05:35):
That's exactly.

Speaker 1 (05:36):
That's like, is a culturally bound Yeah, right right.

Speaker 2 (05:41):
You would think so the break dancing community has come
together to be like, leave ray Gun alone. The kangaroo community,
on the other hand, are like, she's making us look
fucking stupid. Drag her.

Speaker 1 (05:53):
Yeah, so exactly, you don't want to fuck with the kangaroo.

Speaker 3 (05:57):
That's a different KHive on Twitter. You don't want to have.

Speaker 2 (06:00):
Ever seen them trying to drown another animal.

Speaker 3 (06:03):
Yeah, but then you also see those videos are like
in a they're like they're trying to fuck with a dog,
and then they're like adult like human comes around, like
just pushes them over and like the fuck out of here, kangaroo.
And I always thought they could. I mean, I hear
you don't want to fight them, but cartoons have conditioned
me to believe you do not want to box one
of these motherfuckers.

Speaker 2 (06:20):
Ever, watch out for the kicks, because they've got rid
of toenails like me, like me, exactly, Miles. We are
thrilled to be joined in our third seats by a
journalist who's been published in plays like The Guardian Enslaved.
You probably already follow her on Twitter at Socialist dog
Mom for her in depth investigative work on white supremacist,

(06:43):
neo Nazis and hate groups in the US. Her new
podcast for cool Zone is Weird Little Guys, Please welcome.

Speaker 1 (06:51):
Molly can't glad to be here.

Speaker 3 (06:56):
Yes, it was weird to do that when we were
just talking, so let's well pretend I didn't just scream
my way, But anyway, what's up? Thank you for joining us. Yeah,
I'm pumped about it.

Speaker 2 (07:06):
The show is so good. Weird little guys, Well, yeah,
well we're gonna get into it. That the timing, Like
I'm just curious to hear how it felt as the
entire Democratic Party kind of coalesced around the messaging of
like what if we called these guys weird? Like as
your podcast is about to come out basically making that point.

Speaker 1 (07:30):
I mean like cynically, that's marketing you couldn't engineer, right,
that's the SEO on that is beautiful. But at the
same time, like you know, people are like, oh, you're
just aping democratic messaging. It's like I don't. First of all,
this is this is my first job in you know,
in audio media. But so maybe people don't know. But
the production cycle on this show, like if we could
turn around a whole show from the day Tim Waltz

(07:52):
called him weird, Like the trailer came out like two
days later, Like do you think right, do you think
the art department mocked us up yesterday?

Speaker 3 (08:00):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (08:00):
Yeah, it's like take like two three hours is out here.

Speaker 3 (08:04):
And nobody could have thought of like that way to
describe these weird dudes.

Speaker 1 (08:09):
Like now I've been saying that for literal years and
that's that's why the show's called that, Right. He's like
in a meeting months ago, I was, you know, we're
sort of talking about production of the show. Is like
a regular like work business meeting, and I just can't
help myself. I'm always looking at a weird little guy.
So I'm you know, interjecting, you know, how is everybody's
day going whatever he's doing, And I'm like, you, guys,
I just found the weirdest little guy. And so if

(08:30):
you wrote it down her little notebook, and that's why
it's the name of the show.

Speaker 3 (08:32):
Because like I always like, yeah, yeah, the only way
to only way to describe it, only way to describe
it amazing.

Speaker 2 (08:39):
All right, We're going to get into the show, the
weird little guys, all of it, but first we do
like to get to know you a little bit better
by asking you questions such as, Molly Conger, what is
something from your search history that is revealing about who
you are besides your Social Security number?

Speaker 1 (08:56):
Yeah, so my search history is sort of a land
of troubling contrasts. Right, Like, So, in the course of
writing my show and doing my research in my day
to day work, the things I'm googling are disgusting and
upsetting and weird, like you know, like this week, I've
been googling a lot about like the Rhodesian Bush War
and like war crimes in colonial Africa. That's not fun,

(09:18):
that's not about me. Spoiler for this week's episode of
the show, I had to look at a lot of
websites about like a particular genre of like really degrading
an abusive fetish porn. That was for work, let's be clear, right.

Speaker 2 (09:33):
But.

Speaker 1 (09:34):
Oh god, this one's grows. I threw up, like threw up?

Speaker 2 (09:38):
Wow, Oh God? Is that are you? Is that usual?
Is this the first that has made you throw?

Speaker 5 (09:46):
It?

Speaker 2 (09:46):
Was?

Speaker 1 (09:47):
What I saw was not good.

Speaker 3 (09:50):
It's not okay.

Speaker 1 (09:51):
Okay, but in terms of in terms of things that
I'm googling.

Speaker 2 (09:54):
Them have to tune in.

Speaker 5 (10:00):
But no.

Speaker 1 (10:00):
I've also recently done some in depth research about the
best kind of small hats you can get for a dog,
because my dogs have their birthday recently and this you know,
they have birthday hats. They have cowboy hats, and they
have like a little pink princess hat. But I thought,
you know, this year, I need crowns and I don't
want some flimsy piece of shit plastic dog crowns. So
I really dug in and did some googling about small

(10:23):
princess crowns for dogs, and I got ready.

Speaker 3 (10:25):
Ones made of precious metals and stones.

Speaker 1 (10:28):
Oh it's made out of like cheap metal, but it's
better than plastic, you know. Yeah, it's durable, fake pearls,
you know, very different.

Speaker 3 (10:36):
You have dogs that yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, and they
and they're like I've I've had pets but that I've
tried to dress in the past, and some just will
not have it. They are patient with the headwear.

Speaker 1 (10:50):
They don't love the hats, but an outfit they love
an outfit.

Speaker 2 (10:55):
Okay, okay, right, once they see themselves in the mirror,
they're like worth it.

Speaker 1 (10:59):
Right, I think because they know, like, whatever is happening
to me, everyone around me is loving it. I'm being
pretty much everyone is so into what's happening right now.

Speaker 3 (11:09):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, Okay.

Speaker 1 (11:10):
Like a couple of years ago, we did something I
called dog Tober where every day of October I took
pictures of them in different costumes. So I do own
like forty dog costumes.

Speaker 3 (11:22):
What's the weirdest one you got?

Speaker 1 (11:25):
Well, the lobster is my favorite because they just look
so crazed with the little lobster antennas, like right right, yeah,
because they have those long bodies, they do look like lobster.
I love the lobster.

Speaker 3 (11:36):
Wow, I need to look that up. Lobster Wiener dog costumes.

Speaker 1 (11:41):
Buck looks great. And his lion costume the Panda bear.
I don't love the purple octopus a classic.

Speaker 2 (11:47):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, a lion costume is the most that
my dog, dearly departed Finny ever communicated that like fuck
you to me. He was so furious, he was like
shaking it off his head and it was just a
battle of wills.

Speaker 1 (12:06):
Sometimes find it very degrading.

Speaker 2 (12:08):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's just like I think he rolled
his eyes at me, right, and then you're like, bro, without.

Speaker 3 (12:14):
This, you're fucking naked.

Speaker 2 (12:17):
You look ridiculous. What is something, Molly that you think
is underrated?

Speaker 1 (12:23):
Okay, wait for it, having a little treat. I subscribe
to something I call the little treat lifestyle. You know,
like people like, oh, you know what we should should
know if if you can afford it and it's reasonable
and the treat is available, you should always have a
little treat. And sometimes it's like you know, an actual
treat that you eat, or like a little thing that
you get for yourself, Like I just got myself a

(12:44):
really nice new pencil.

Speaker 3 (12:46):
I saw that. That's a Japanese that's a Uni.

Speaker 1 (12:49):
Oh yeah, I did some googling about Japanese pencils.

Speaker 3 (12:52):
What is that point five millimeter or point?

Speaker 1 (12:54):
Oh yeah, point five point five?

Speaker 2 (12:55):
Wait?

Speaker 3 (12:56):
Just checking, just checking, just checking.

Speaker 1 (12:57):
You know, I'm gonna annotate these Nazi memoir with something precise.

Speaker 3 (13:02):
Yes, yes, yes, as someone who grew up going to
Japan like for summer vacation and coming back with just
the dopest mechanical pencils, like I would stunt on my classmates.
I'm like, bro, it's nice, cheap ass plastic bic. Bro,
look at this shit. It's heavier than a police baton
and I'm writing with it.

Speaker 1 (13:20):
Oh, I mean the engineering is tysnically.

Speaker 3 (13:21):
A murder weapon.

Speaker 2 (13:23):
You are you guys are able to use like I
can't use a regular mechanical pencil without snapping that ship
in half, Like, not not in half, but snapping the lead.

Speaker 3 (13:34):
And you're able to use finer? How many times you
clicking that thing? Like how much is the lead out
when you're like like, damn it fourteen times, Jack, I don't.

Speaker 1 (13:44):
Think you understand the engineering that goes into the Korutoga
Elite mechanical pencil.

Speaker 2 (13:49):
Okay, you got, you got are elite.

Speaker 1 (13:52):
Yeah, it comes with a diamond infused graphite. Okay, so
that's not breaking off Holy shit, no way is it
marketed like that, that's what it says.

Speaker 3 (14:03):
Wow. I thought it was just my pre roll joints
that were diamond infused, and now we're talking about fucking
pencil led to Okay.

Speaker 1 (14:09):
Yeah, So I mean if you're struggling with your with
your horrible little cheat mechanical pencil, try the Coga wow.

Speaker 2 (14:15):
Yeah yeah, yeah, I'll be like, I mean I have
also snapped like plastic where in half, like I.

Speaker 6 (14:23):
Just because you're just too strong or right, just incredible yeah,
where like I'm just thinking about something stressful and then
suddenly a thing snaps in my hand.

Speaker 1 (14:35):
Is back door bragging about your incredible grip strength, right,
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (14:40):
And then like the pencil speaking of diamonds turns into
a fucking diamond in my hand. It's crazy.

Speaker 3 (14:46):
Is handwriting analysis like that forensic? Is that an action?
Is that a pseudo science? It's fake, right, Yeah, But
I feel like the one time they're like, yo, this dude,
look just looking at this handwriting, he is gripping that
shit way too hard and Brendon Now, way do we
know that based off this light handwriting and.

Speaker 2 (15:03):
All the just sweat pouring all over over the page.
Oh no, he's got a lot going on, a lot
of internal churn, a lot.

Speaker 3 (15:12):
Wait, what's another kind of treat? What's another Like, what's
your sort of the framework to determine whether or not
it's treat time for you?

Speaker 1 (15:21):
It's fives based, man, you know it's Yeah, when the
opportunity for a treat arises, naturally, just go with it.
Let it happen, Let the treat be part of your life.
Like it was shopping at Costco recently and they had
the Kirkland signature brand sweatshirt that I've been thinking about
for a long.

Speaker 2 (15:39):
Logo blast on the front.

Speaker 3 (15:41):
Yeah baby wow, and they got that black black color tone.

Speaker 1 (15:45):
Black on black, Like I didn't need this, I didn't
need this, but it's on sale and it was a
treat and it was yeah, and now it's mine.

Speaker 3 (15:53):
And in a way like impossible to detect, like to
be like we got to find someone in a Kirkland
signature hoodie. They're like, good luck, motherfucker, that's countrys. Yeah exactly.
Damn I got to get one of those.

Speaker 1 (16:07):
I know, I got this. I got the matching sweatpants
too fucking rocks.

Speaker 2 (16:10):
And they got a logo too cool. Oh yeah down
the leg baby is wow, all the way up and
down the lake like one leg is consumed by the
kirk ciggy logo.

Speaker 1 (16:19):
They have that one, but I couldn't find it, so
mine just has like the small logo like near the heads.
But yeah, but I mean I got the Kirkland.

Speaker 3 (16:25):
Fit Yeah, yeah, yeah, damn, okay.

Speaker 1 (16:29):
All right right sponsored me Costco?

Speaker 2 (16:31):
Yeah, I see you, but only as related to fashion
items the Kirkland fashion line. Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (16:38):
Like now that I am a professional podcaster, I just
I feel so much more at home, Like I can't
go to a office, I can't go to a job,
Like no, I buy all my clothes at Costco. Right,
So like, thank god I'm a podcaster now. Yeah, And
you fit right in and you're you look the part.
You look the part.

Speaker 2 (16:54):
When my friends talk about going into an office, I
spit on the ground. I can't I can't even conceive
of it. We'll that even be like they're like.

Speaker 3 (17:01):
I don't even have clothes I can wear in bubbling.

Speaker 1 (17:04):
I'm not wearing pants right now.

Speaker 3 (17:05):
No, none of us are. I'm wearing I'm wearing one
third of a T shirt. If I actually stood up,
you'd see it just covers my shoulders.

Speaker 2 (17:12):
Yeah, this isn't.

Speaker 1 (17:13):
This isn't from the mid chest up profession.

Speaker 2 (17:16):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (17:16):
Yeah, it looks like those like like how like someone
would wear on like the like a linebacker and football
in the eighties.

Speaker 1 (17:22):
Just h oh yeah, the little chop top.

Speaker 2 (17:24):
Yeah. If my belly button can't breathe, neither can I.
All right, what is Molly something you think is overrated?

Speaker 1 (17:31):
Oh so I am. I'm my struggle right now, so
overrated wedding venues. I am trying to plan a wedding
right now. And I don't know if you guys have
spent any time in the American South, every wedding venue
used to be a fucking plantation, every single one of them.
And they don't tell you it's not on the website.

(17:52):
They're not honest about it. So I'm digging through like
land use archives and the history of the building like,
I need you to tell me, shit, did slaves build this?

Speaker 2 (18:01):
Right?

Speaker 1 (18:03):
Because they will tell you and everything is a fucking barn.
I don't want to get married in a barn.

Speaker 2 (18:07):
Question.

Speaker 3 (18:08):
Yeah, the was this the venue for unspeakable atrocities.

Speaker 2 (18:13):
That will haunt my marriage?

Speaker 1 (18:15):
For professional portraits made of my entire family? Like in
front of the lynching tree? That's not the vibe.

Speaker 3 (18:21):
Yeah? Yeah, wait, so have you like I'm guessing like
some places been like and we're just an old traditional
house like here in Virginia, and then you've actually had
to go through like old records and like, hold on,
I just found the thing that basically it bears all
truths that this was an actual plant, a working plantation.

Speaker 1 (18:40):
I mean, thankfully, you know, doing the research, getting weird,
getting deep into the archives. That's my wheelhouse. So I'm set.
I'm worried about everybody.

Speaker 3 (18:48):
Else, right right, right?

Speaker 1 (18:49):
Yeah, I need to know the providence of these bricks, okay, right?

Speaker 3 (18:54):
Yeah. Further, it's like, are these conflict bricks because we
can't have that, we can't have you don't.

Speaker 1 (18:59):
Want to like child they had children make the bricks
because their hands were small.

Speaker 3 (19:02):
I'm like, I don't want any part of that, right,
It's like, how do you think they got the intricate thing?

Speaker 1 (19:07):
A little thinky prints, Like the nail factory that used
to be here in town was like staffed by enslaved children.

Speaker 3 (19:15):
Oh wow, well then so so no Blake Lively plantation
wedding for you, that's what that's what we're getting at.

Speaker 1 (19:21):
Yeah, and I just I don't want there to be
a horse there. I didn't invite a horse. I'm not
getting married in a barn.

Speaker 3 (19:27):
So what are your options? You don't want a barn,
you don't want a plantation.

Speaker 2 (19:31):
Were even an incidental horse, You're like, get that motherfucker
out of here.

Speaker 1 (19:37):
There's no hay. There's no hay in this in this situation. Okay, right,
but guys overrated, you know, like, oh for twenty five
thousand dollars, you can come to our barn, get fucked.

Speaker 3 (19:48):
No, sure, no, no, it's like, but the horses do
stay if you want the horses out, that's thirty.

Speaker 1 (19:53):
Grand Oh that's extra, that's extra, yeah right right right, right.

Speaker 3 (19:55):
Oh my god. Now yeah, I don't I don't horse hotel.
I don't envy those. I know a few people who
are trying to get wedding things together, and just remembering
my own distress I encountered. I was like, no, no,
I don't I don't miss that. I don't miss that.

Speaker 1 (20:10):
I'm not even going to plan my own birthday party.
Why why is this my problem so overread? The entire
industry a disaster?

Speaker 2 (20:16):
Don't want to Is that because people used to be
into the idea that it was like a plantation, and
so that's like a remnant from an older time or
it's just like everything with plantations back then.

Speaker 1 (20:28):
So they're just like, I mean, it's for Virginia. So
a lot of our large, beautiful old buildings, right didn't
get constructed ethically, But I think that's part of it too,
where there was that sort of like mid twentieth century
fascination with Antebellum Southern culture.

Speaker 3 (20:46):
Right, so that was to draw yeah, right exactly, it's like,
well ignore, just just focus on like the glitz and
glamour of it, and then we can have a good time.

Speaker 1 (20:54):
It was a farm, Oh who was farming.

Speaker 2 (20:57):
Farm?

Speaker 3 (20:58):
They like cotton or something? Yeah, yeah, I don't know.
I think like the king was cotton or something. I
don't know. I can't I didn't read the whole thing,
but kind of murky, move.

Speaker 2 (21:08):
It along, move it along. All right, let's take a
quick break and we're going to come back and talk
some weird little guys. We'll be right back.

Speaker 5 (21:16):
Oh yeah, and we're back.

Speaker 2 (21:28):
We're back and yeah. So just to kind of give
people an introduction, although everybody should just go listen to
episode zero, where you do a beautiful job of giving
an introduction to the premise of the show. But one
of the ideas is that these people who you know,
organize the Unite the Right rally in Charlottesville, stage domestic terrorism,

(21:52):
storm the Capitol on January sixth, They are associated with
these big ideas and huge historical trends, but ultimately they
often turn out to be just some guy you compared
to the end of a Scooby Doo episode, except Scooby
Doo doesn't have the courage or run time to then

(22:13):
like spend an hour digging into the weird backstories of
the people under the masks.

Speaker 3 (22:18):
But you do.

Speaker 2 (22:19):
You tell us what the fuck is going on with
these people, and it's it's endlessly entertaining. Is there an
example that you use to explain the premise of your
show to someone who asks, like what your podcast is about?

Speaker 1 (22:33):
Oh man, they should have prepared me better for this marketing.

Speaker 3 (22:36):
Right.

Speaker 1 (22:38):
No, but like you said, the idea is that they're
all just these kind of sad little freaks, and they
want us to believe that they're like the second coming
of Hitler, right, that they're mighty and powerful and impressive
and you should be very scared of them.

Speaker 2 (22:52):
And that is a compliment that gets like thrown around
or like people are like this person might be the
second coming of Hitler, like, and that's good, and that's
what he wants.

Speaker 1 (23:01):
He wants you to think like, oh, it's this powerful monster.
And I'm not saying that. Like the things that they
did are not serious, right, Like you know the end
of an episode of Scooby Doo when they unmask the
you know, the caretaker who's been haunting the mansion, like
he still did what they think the monster did. He said,
a monster. He's just the weird old caretaker, right.

Speaker 2 (23:24):
No.

Speaker 1 (23:24):
So, I mean I don't want to spoil any future episodes,
but for the two episodes that are out now, you know,
the first one was an exploration of Kevin Strome. He
was a member of the Neo Nazi group National Alliance.
And you know, he thinks of himself as this sort
of learned intellectual of race science and race purity, and
he mixed this little show every week since the nineties.

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And he's pedophile, right, he has been to Britain for childborn,
and he's his commitment to racial purity is so extreme
that he won't let the foods on his plate intermingle
because that's too much like race mixing.

Speaker 3 (24:00):
Oh wait for yeah, okay, right, yeah.

Speaker 1 (24:03):
Like you can't book Gravey on mashed potatoes because that's
a missagenation of flavors.

Speaker 3 (24:07):
Yeah, wow, the freaks. I do the normal thing. I
put in a little teacup and I and I sip
it while I have a one bite after I fully
swallowed the mashed potatoes. But I mean, like to your point, right,
Like whenever we hear about these like violent plots or
these groups that have like you know, acted out like
all kinds of wild violence in physical space, like we
create this image in our mind of like some fucking

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master criminal like with no soul that if like we
saw on the street, we would immediately be like, oh
my god, run in the opposite direction. This person is
fucking scary and they're dangerous, and like, clearly it's clear
that all these guys are like not even close to
being some kind of cloaked Marvel super villain, and like
we would run in the opposite direction if we saw
them on the street because they're literal just fucking creeps.

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What do you think is like the like, obviously there's
a power to demystifying our sort of like reflexive tendency
to be like, oh, this person, because like what they're
into is so odious and dangerous that they themselves it
must be dangerous. But like it's clear that you find
there's a way to sort of by taking the curtain back,
we're able to just sort of reckon with these kinds

(25:12):
of characters or you know, not characters, human beings and
like a much more objective but while also being like, look,
these aren't the kinds of people who are like absolute
like these masterminds that we do need to fear. Is
that sort of part of it? I know at one
point you said, it's not about it's about understanding the creeps,
like in every facet of our lives that they do exist, right.

Speaker 1 (25:32):
And I think you know, on a broadle broader social level,
just you know, emotionally understanding that this isn't some sort
of amorphous onto logical evil is empowering, right because like, right,
you can't fight a monster. That's disempowering. It feels like, well,
this is just this is something we can't change. There
there are monsters in the world, and it's just a guy.

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It's just a guy who's afraid to.

Speaker 3 (25:55):
Talk to women, right, right, It's a guy who got
a free sex doll head because he complained to the
fucking customer support. And you're like, oh, okay, huh, that's weird.
But he's making bombs too, Yeah, well yeah he.

Speaker 1 (26:11):
Is, right, like he knows how to make a pipe bomb,
but like he's fucking a used sex to all.

Speaker 3 (26:16):
Right, Right, You're like, yeah, not now, it's now it's
giving me the creeps in a completely different way for sure.

Speaker 2 (26:24):
Yeah. The episode about the Civil War reenactment false flag
is so wild. But before before we get into the
details of that, I do just want to talk about
this idea of weirdness because it has become the focus
for the Democrats and the presidential campaign, and it happened

(26:46):
as you're preparing to launch a show focused on the
weirdness of right wing fascists, their policies, their personalities. What
was it that made you focus in on weirdness, like
based on the content and it feels like it just
naturally took you in that direction. But first of all,
what was it like to have that emerge as like

(27:06):
a central Democrat talking point? And do you have an
opinion on like how they're doing with regards to calling
it out?

Speaker 1 (27:16):
Yeah, And I think arriving at the idea that you know,
talking about these guys in the context of their idiosyncrasies
and their their weirdness, the fact that they're out of
step with the world arose naturally for me, right, Like
I'm researching these guys in the context of domestic terrorism
and trying to understand that, and something I keep coming
across is like everything about the way they engage with

(27:38):
the world is weird, right, Like, it's not just their
ideas about race, their ideas about the Jews, or their
ideas about how political power should be achieved mainly through violence.
That's not separate from the fact that they're just weird
on a personal level. These things are intertwined, like they
have all these ideas about, you know, whether women should

(27:59):
be able to vote because they just have weird ideas
about how the world works, and so that was sort
of a natural progression for me, and I think, you know, separately,
the Democrats have recently arrived at the same place that
like their weird personal lives and the weird shit they
want to do to your personal life are obviously related.

Speaker 3 (28:18):
Mm hmm.

Speaker 2 (28:18):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (28:19):
It feels like for the longest time, like prior to this,
like we were using very like academic terms to like
accurately describe like their ideologies. So it's like, well, there
these are ethno nationalists, these are proto fascist mode, but
like you know what I mean, And like it does
in a way it clearly identifies like where their you know,
political might how like where their ideologies lie in terms

(28:39):
of like a political spectrum. But the weird sort of
cuts through that to not only be like, well it
is weird to already be so like ant like like
the race mixing is terrible. It's like what are you
a fucking civil war ghost? Like what the fuck are
we talking about? But the weirdness it does sort of
in a way help sort of cut through I think
a lot of these like sort of very academic terms

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that are used to accurately describe them and really sort
of remind people of like maybe what is sort of
what we consider normal for the most part in terms
of like it's not being obsessed with people's genitals, it's
not being obsessed with like children's genitals, it's not a
being obsessed with like, you know, miscegenation or whatever these
things are, that these are all like all of these

(29:21):
things that they believe are weird are actually normal, and
now it's it is actually them now that has crossed
over into this space. So I feel like that was
sort of like the one thing that I was like, Oh,
I think it's it's able to connect in a much
easier way for people because it's much more conversational. But
it does feel like a little bit I'm sure you're
a bit frustrated to someone who's been reporting on this
for a long time not to be not necessarily that

(29:43):
it's like the Democrats, but that the warnings about being
like these people are dangerous wasn't sort of enough until
it's like, oh, wait, they're weird.

Speaker 1 (29:52):
We're we're getting a ratings bump from being interested in
this like, yeah, you know, betterly than never not complaining. Sure,
it's a weird CoInc But I think the reason it
cuts to the quick so badly for them, the reason
it's like so shockingly hurtful to them to be called weird,
is because their whole ethos is that we are the
arbiters of what is acceptable and what is normal, and

(30:13):
we want to return to this nineteen fifties Norman Rockwell
painting of imagined American life, and that's what's normal. And
so you're the ones that are weird for you know,
continuing to move forward in a society that progresses with time, right,
and so saying like, actually that that's not normal, you're
the weird one. You're the weird one. It undercuts their

(30:33):
their belief about, you know, their reason to exist.

Speaker 2 (30:37):
And their personal lives so often fall completely out of
line with that ethos that they claim to like they are.
It's in line with it, but it's just like a
weird When you first encounter they're like, well, all I
care about is families, and then you see like the
strange directions that spins off into and then look at

(31:00):
their personal lives. It's I don't know, I guess. I
guess it's unexpected at first, and then it's like totally
expected once you take the time to think about it.

Speaker 1 (31:08):
I mean, like the it's you know, it's spoiler for
this week's episode, but like, you know, these guys who
want to talk about you know, traditional white values and
Western civilization and you know, restructuring society so that we
have you know, traditional Western values. One of the guys
in this terror cell was making degrading hardcore pornography and
it's like, that's not that's not the world you're talking

(31:29):
about building, right right?

Speaker 3 (31:31):
Well, yeah, I mean from your perspective, from like looking
at all these people for years, and you know, even
like this latest episode with the Civil War reenactor, Like,
is it that they're just that they're sort of repressing
some dimension of who they are and that's that's manifesting
them in like this like externalized hatred of people that
like might intersect with their own like weird interests or

(31:52):
feelings or how do you sort of look at these
people sort of through the prism of like what they're espousing,
but also the context of like their personal lives, Like
how like how do those things or interact like in
terms of like how you've how you've looked at these people.

Speaker 1 (32:06):
Oh, that's that's a question for a psychologists. I mean
sometimes these sometimes these manifestations are like a desire to control.
Like a lot of fascists they want to control society
just the way they want to control their wife or
their children. And so for a lot of pedophiles, it's
about the exertion of control over a powerless victim, and
that's kind of what they want to do to society.

(32:27):
But I don't know, I don't think the cognitive dissonance
matters to them at all. Like you see a lot
of white supremacists with Latino wives like that cognitive dissonance
is irrelevant to them, right, So, like there's no making
sense of it as a psychological drive. It just the
rules don't apply to me. I'm just going to do
this to society, yeah.

Speaker 2 (32:45):
Because psychology is like not a thing. It's not even
like concepts in their head. They're just like, yeah, this
is what I do, Like my shadow self are you
talking about? I mean, like maybe.

Speaker 1 (32:56):
Maybe we can like necromance Freud and get them to
take a look at this. Like for years I had
this Nazi cyberstalker who would send me these messages that
were like really graphically about like sexual fantasies involving feces. Yeah,
and it's like that that doesn't involve me, right, right,
Maybe you should talk talk to Simon Freud about that,

(33:17):
like you're stuck in the anal development stage or something.
I don't know, so mixed bag, yeah, it's.

Speaker 2 (33:24):
I mean, but I feel like historians, like or at
least the History Channel like kind of does it with Hitler, right,
Like Hitler behind Closed Doors is not this amorphous ontological evil, right,
He's driven by very strange demons and a lot of
scatological you know shit. And then but then I feel like,

(33:49):
I don't know, it popped in my head when you
were talking about Richard Spencer, like when he first came
on the scene years ago, and it felt like the
mainstream media was like into him, you know.

Speaker 1 (34:00):
Oh yeah, They're like, oh, finally, like a handsome, well
spoken Nazi and a guy we can put on TV, right.

Speaker 2 (34:08):
Because they want Yeah, they want a Nazi. That is
like central casting of a fascist in a non comedy movie.
But when you look at them, it's just doctor Strange
loves all the way down right, just time after time.
It's like, nah, they have like weird suppressed urges and

(34:33):
repressed repressed ideas that are like bursting out of them
in these strange ways. But it does.

Speaker 1 (34:41):
Yeah, the real Richard Spencer is the Richard Spencer in
that leaked audio from the evening of Unite the Rights,
Like the rally got canceled they didn't get to give
their speeches because there was a terrorist event, and he
was so mad that he didn't get to give his speech.
He's like purple in the face, screaming about how like
they don't get to do this to me, they don't
get to do this to me, and he starts busting
racial slurs that you would have to look up in

(35:02):
a dictionary, like I think he called someone an octoroon
or something like.

Speaker 3 (35:05):
Oh wow, yeah wow, taking it all the way back, but.

Speaker 1 (35:08):
Just like that sort of petulant, childish rage, like you
could put a suit and tie on a Nasi, but
he's still just an angry little guy.

Speaker 3 (35:17):
Yeah, yeah, exactly. I mean, because I think so many
of these people have like very similar, like the similar
themes in their lives which are there operating in this
bizarre parallel reality. But when they're like forced to reconcile
their perceived world and the one they actually live in.
They just go deeper into the into the void because

(35:38):
it's just that like that reckon, like that sort of
dissonance is like too much. So it's like no, no, no,
And now they like sort of increasingly become more hell
bent on bringing their fantasy world to life like upon
the rest of us. And it's like when they inevitably
fail and realize they don't have the power or means
to create the world, they typically will just resort to
violence or destruction because if I can can't make something

(36:00):
that I can destroy it. And either way, like I think,
there's just that feeling of powerlessness that has to be addressed,
and this sort.

Speaker 1 (36:06):
Of direction construction of this alternate reality. It just keeps
coming up sort of recurring theme in these stories that
I'm telling, Like I think this guy left out of
episode one, but after Kevin Strome was arrested for possession
of child pornography. He so he was the webmaster for
a neo Nazi group, so he knew how to use
the internet, right he was he was an internet guy,
you know, from the nineties, so early internet adopter, and

(36:28):
he made a website that convincingly looked like an actual
local news outlet, and he peppered in like real local
news stories, stuff about the weather, stuff about you know,
just like local goings on. But like every third article
on this fake newspaper website was about how we actually
Kevin Strome isn't a pervert.

Speaker 2 (36:47):
In other news, right? Yeah?

Speaker 1 (36:49):
Like what like this guy really not bad.

Speaker 3 (36:54):
It's like, I mean, it's the exact same thing, like
even with the Civil War reenactor guy like also creating
fake news articles like that, but he was such a boomer.
He's like cutting and pasting shit onto physical paper and
then xeroxing it and be like you've seen in this
article and it's like what sharing it with like a

(37:15):
teenager he's working with. Yeah, he's like, okay, man this
to me. Yeah, man, Sniper's got a bunch of people.
It's like what newspapers. That doesn't matter, man, it happened.

Speaker 2 (37:28):
It happened to you too, huh.

Speaker 3 (37:30):
Yeah yeah, but it but it is like this very
weird and then like even like this the sex doll thing,
like it's a like there's just a about creating like
insulating themselves truly in like this world of half truths
or total fabrications to kind of like, yeah, I don't know,
it's very they want.

Speaker 1 (37:48):
They want to live in a cigarette ad from a
nineteen fifty five issue of Good Housekeeping, Like the world
you're imagining was never real, Like not only can you
go back to it, it was never real, Like that
was on queludes.

Speaker 2 (38:00):
Right, exactly, she's so high that mom serving that turkey,
like that turkey is not Yeah, yeah, she is out
of her mind. Yeah, let's take a quick break and
we'll come back, and I just want to talk a
few of the details about the subjects of your first
couple episodes because they are absolute bangers. We'll be right back,

(38:33):
and we're back.

Speaker 3 (38:35):
We're back.

Speaker 2 (38:36):
So I want to talk about the Civil War Reenact
reenactment bomb threat, which was allegedly perpetrated by Antifa, which
I always hear Antifa used as this like buzzword on
the right and then like Fox News stories, Yeah they

(38:56):
love it as a boogeyman. But I had never seen,
like any the details of what they think Antifa is doing.
And so this story is of a Civil War reenactor
group that's being threatened, and it's like not even the
biggest one in the area, but it's being like repeatedly

(39:18):
threatened and told like they have to stop or they're
going to like all be murdered. And it's signed ANTIFA,
like with this like logo that you could not off. Yeah,
unofficial ANTIFA letterheady. Yeah, yeah, absolutely absolutely, And the letters
are very threatening, but they also have this juvenile tone

(39:39):
of like make believe that reminded me of this story.
It was very early days of this show during Hurricane
Harvey in Houston where there were all these Facebook posts
that were from the quote Harvey Loot crew, like hashtag
Harvey Loute crew, and it would be like a picture

(40:00):
of a store that had been you know, all the
stuff was off the shelves, and it says we out
here a Corpus Christy at the quickie store, you know,
where cash and beer gone, but Munchie's left. Hashtag Hurricane Harvey,
hashtag hurricane hashtag Harvey Luke crew. And it's like we
just immediately were like, oh, that's these are like weird

(40:23):
white people trying to write a character that they find scary,
and you get the sense in these letters the same thing,
like there's so much weird content, like some of us
have dogs and we will even throw their feces at you,
is like one of the things from one.

Speaker 1 (40:39):
Of the letters, just not how I would make a threat.

Speaker 3 (40:42):
We are Antifa and we throw pea at people, and
it's like, what, yes, one of us is a rapist,
Like yeah, exactly, It's like we've got a rapist also
on the team. It's like what what what is this?
Like the fucking weird goon squad? But yeah, that is
the version of like this organization. I guess they're trying
to present to people, but I.

Speaker 2 (41:03):
Don't so eventually that it's revealed that this is in
fact not Antifa, but it has because this audience that
they're aiming at is so gullible and willing to believe
anything like this feels like a danger that could get
worse and worse as our inability to distinguish false information

(41:27):
kind of grows more and more. Did the fact that
this wasn't Antifa? Do you think that that like penetrated
at all like that. I'm sure maybe the specific group
that was being targeted eventually realized it was like one
of their own, But like, in terms of the stories
that are reported on Fox News. I'm sure like the

(41:47):
most of the people who watch Fox News think Antifa
planted a bomb at a Civil War reenactment, right right.

Speaker 1 (41:54):
And I think the average Fox News view were, even
when confronted with the truthful resolution to the story, would say, well, yeah,
but Antifa would do that, right, But like, it says
a lot about Antifa that I believed it, But that's
not what happened. Is not what happened at all. But
I think you know, for for Gerald, the subject of
that story, he was a Confederate reenactor, he is I

(42:14):
could say comfortably a racist, Like I read all of
his Reddit posts, like he is personally a racist. And
so when he wanted to frighten his former friends, who
he knew were mostly also racists, he was like, what's
the scariest thing to us? What can I say to
them that will be so scary? Like, Oh, we're being

(42:35):
targeted for our beliefs, right right, We're being targeted by
these left wing like scary monster people just because we
love history so much. And also saying the N word.

Speaker 2 (42:44):
Right, yeah, that's the exact big argument was that, like
he wanted to be able to use the N word.
He was like that's just what it would have been
at the time, and we should be able to and
the fact that they're not letting us is actually the
real discrimination. Everything Like his the other Confederate reenactors were
like I don't know, man, like even they.

Speaker 3 (43:06):
Were really helping us here, right, yeah, well, and I
think just even the weird part two or like that
you pointed out, like the Battle of Cedar Creek, like
that was a Union victory too. It's like, wouldn't they
be targeting a Confederate victory if it was truly about
this like ideology, like ideological attack or like.

Speaker 1 (43:23):
A battle that anyone's heard of, like I've never heard
the Battle of Creek and I live here right.

Speaker 2 (43:29):
Right, right, right right, But yeah, it's just there. There's
this fascinating part where you just go through like his
trip Advisor reviews, like so as he's doing all this stuff,
he's taking trips to Euros.

Speaker 3 (43:46):
Yeah he does loves Europe.

Speaker 2 (43:47):
Huh, going to the finest dining establishments in Europe, like
Burger King, five guys McDonald's, I think, and then just
like leaving negative reviews for Nazi museums for being like
two PC.

Speaker 1 (44:01):
Yeah, yeah, and that's The interesting thing about Gerald, right,
it's like, you know a lot of these guys are Nazis.
Daryld's not like he has an interest in World War
two history as like you know, a boomer American watching
the History Channel. So like his problem with the Holocaust
Museum in Amsterdam wasn't like that he loves Nazis. He
just like wanted to see more atrocities.

Speaker 2 (44:22):
Yeah right, he just.

Speaker 1 (44:23):
Thought that the museum didn't show him enough atrocities, right,
could have.

Speaker 3 (44:26):
Been more atrocity memorabilia there, but like nah, one story gore,
Yeah right, yeah, yeah, yeah, truly. But I guess that's
what's like so interesting too, is like on some level, right,
and this is something you talk about like when I'm like, well,
this guy's this fucking weirdo. He's leaving like one agro
reviews about Burger King or like the Nazi Museum, but

(44:48):
he loves the Louver in Paris. That like, in a
way it feels disarming because you're like, this, what the
fuck is what's this fucking guy gonna do? But at
the same time, it's not so dis You're not so
dismissive of these people that you're like, these aren't people
aren't dangerous, but it's also being like just understand where
these people are operating from. It's not necessarily like because

(45:09):
they have these like weird interests or just have these
like weird proclivities doesn't mean that they aren't presenting a
similar threat. But I think it does help melt away
this idea that it's like, you know, fucking Thanos or
some shit.

Speaker 1 (45:22):
Right, Like he's a silly little guy who got a
poshmark account so he could buy women's panties for his
sex stall, and he reviews the dunkin Donuts in his
neighborhood once a month, Like he's definitely a weird little guy. Yeah,
but he did build an operational bomb that would have
killed a bunch of children in the like gifts, Like
the tent where the bomb was was where you buy
like souvenirs and stuff, like there were kids around and

(45:43):
like at the bomb had gone off, like it would
have killed children, right, So, like what he did was
was violent and frightening and evil, and like this campaign
of terror against these people who wouldn't let him do
civil war reenactment anymore, Like it's real and it's frightening,
and you should take it seriously, but like he's not
a criminal mastermind. Yeah right, he's a guy who pretends
to be a cop on Reddit because it makes him

(46:04):
feel powerful.

Speaker 3 (46:06):
Right, Yeah, that's what's like so not like infuriating, but
you know, like we obviously the threat of like domestic
terror and the like you know, white nationalist violence is
it was real and super scary, but like there's also
something kind of maddening when you're like and it's this
fucking guy that's like we deserve a better enemy year, yeah,

(46:29):
or like that you are causing so much, you're sewing
so much chaos from your place of being so dissatisfied
and unhappy and whatever sociopathic you know, psychopathic tendencies you have.
But there's just some there's I don't know, like it's
like every time I'm having a reckoning with like the
actual what they're what they're trying to act out and
who they are as people, and you're like, dude, this

(46:50):
is this is the last person who probably roll up
to you and try and say something to your face
in public, yet they are still I don't know. I
think that's where like the Internet truly like begins to
olden people because they can have this one version that
they present through their like digital avatar of themselves while
also being like and then the real world version is like, yeah,
like I shout out to sex Doll Queens dot COM's

(47:13):
customer service department for being really understanding that my sex
doll was damaged, and you.

Speaker 1 (47:18):
Know, Patrese is very responsive.

Speaker 2 (47:20):
Yeah, that was like the last that was his last
post before being arrested.

Speaker 1 (47:24):
Yeah, like before the FBI like rated his house and
took him away. He was just posting on a sex.

Speaker 2 (47:29):
All for him, right, being like with theaterrece fucking rocks.
Thank you so much, Patrese for customer service. Yeah, and
there are plenty of them. Oh yeah, monthly reviews of
his local dunkin Donuts.

Speaker 3 (47:44):
That's so wild.

Speaker 1 (47:45):
He loves it. It's high quality update.

Speaker 3 (47:48):
But I mean, I guess does that do you like?
Do you see that as like another version of like
trying to at least exert some form of power, like
because then it's like it's review through my review I
can am from my eye. I'm doing one over, getting
one over on this place that I felt wrong by.
So like that's always like they're kind of look like
it feels like it really goes hand.

Speaker 1 (48:07):
In hand, right, Like I do think for him specifically,
it is this sort of manifestation of the idea that like,
this world exists for me and it should meet my
needs and it should be the way that I think
it should be. And when it's not, that's, you know,
a sign of a culture in decline. Like they put
pickles on my whopper even though I said no, And
that's because society is in decline. We no longer have

(48:28):
traditional Western values or something right right, right, Yeah.

Speaker 2 (48:33):
Pickles and onions. Only in Europe can they get that
order right? On the on the wapper he says no pickles,
no onions, And every fucking time in the United States,
his burger king gets it wrong. Meanwhile, Kevin is that
his name, Kevin Kevin Strome. Strome disappears into the bathroom
for hours at a time to take a bath and

(48:54):
eat pickles.

Speaker 1 (48:56):
So I actually so his second ex wife is that
ad next wife? No, his first, second, his first, his first,
his first wife. After they got divorced, she wrote a
memoir and it's been out of print for twenty years.
You can't buy it. So I found a used copy
of it on the internet and I was so excited
and it came and so I read this. You know,
this woman's memoir of her time being married to this

(49:16):
famous Nazi, and you know she's been through a lot,
respect to her. Not well written, a little deranged, but
just the little kernels of like day to day life
of being married to this man. Worth the twenty bucks,
Worth the twenty bucks I spent on it, especially because
it was signed. So when you when you buy this book,
you never know what you're getting. It says, you know,

(49:38):
like in decent condition. There's markings inside, and so I
get it. It is the copy she gave to the
woman who mentored her during her conversion to Catholicism.

Speaker 2 (49:50):
Woow, So is she in the book?

Speaker 3 (49:52):
The person she like like wrote this to, like inscribed
the message to.

Speaker 1 (49:56):
I don't know if she's in there by name, but
there is, you know, sort of a lot of discuss
of like as she's leaving Kevin because the National Alliance
is the what's called the Cosmotheist Church. It's just like
a made up, like white people religion that doesn't involve
God or Jesus and it's taxing. Sure, so she's leaving
National Alliance. She's leaving Cosmotheism, she's leaving Kevin. She starts

(50:19):
seeing apparitions of the Virgin Mary, so she converts to
So she converted to Catholicism. And like just an incredible,
an incredible memoir. And so the pickle thing was in there.

Speaker 2 (50:29):
Yeah, hours at a time, just eating pickles in the bathtub.
Like I can kind of get behind that.

Speaker 1 (50:36):
Like you have three children and you're just gonna be
in there for five hours eating a whole jar of pickles, right?

Speaker 3 (50:41):
And also how big is that jar of pickles for
five hours? Or what's your eating?

Speaker 1 (50:47):
You're swelling?

Speaker 3 (50:49):
Yeah, you savor every bite of a pickle, so it
takes you five I mean I could eat a jar
of pickles I think in like twenty minutes easily.

Speaker 1 (50:56):
I don't think it's kidneys would enjoy that experience.

Speaker 3 (50:59):
Well, you know, the doctors, that's their opinion. But like
I got heard from my friend Molly, I need a treat.

Speaker 2 (51:05):
I have to you need a treat, And like you
heard from your friend Jack, do your own research. Okay,
don't you trust the doctors? What do you you know?
I don't look, what do you know?

Speaker 3 (51:14):
What do you Oh? Sorry, you're a specialist in renal issues.
I don't even know what that means, man, but my
side's hurt real bad in the back whenever I eat
my Picki's help. I'm curious, like, Molly, is there what
is sort of like a I guess a takeaway that
you come with, take a takeaway that you arrive at
after looking at these people, because you know, you've studied

(51:35):
like really horrific shit and a lot of these events
that have been at the hands of these types of people,
But like, what what like what's the experience for you
when you're like, of course they're a weird little guy?
Is it more to not necessarily again, because it's not
to sort of mitigate or minimize the threat that these
people pose, but like, what is sort of the what
is like the sort of message that you come away

(51:56):
with from realizing time after time these people have such
a similar kind of way of being.

Speaker 1 (52:02):
I think, as I've been doing nothing but writing for
weeks now, kind of going insane, becoming my own weird
little guy. What seems most important to me to take
away from like trying to tell these sort of like
brief biographical arcs of individuals is that, like they are weird,
but they are not aberrations, right, Like they are not

(52:22):
one off like random mutations of the human mind that like,
you know, I think in recent years, you know, we
see like, oh, there's like a groper who works for
your congressman. Like, what a strange aberration. This is never
this is unprecedented. No, it's not. It's super precedented, right,
and so like trying to situate these things in historical

(52:43):
context for the last hundred years or so, Like, I
don't know. My plan is to sort of bounce back
and forth between like a guy who just went to
prison recently, sort of this modern weird guy, and then
reached back and talk about a guy from the seventies
or the eighties and sort of the Nazi group that
would grow to be. Come, what's giving us today's weird guys?

Speaker 3 (53:02):
Right?

Speaker 1 (53:02):
So, like, right, Marjorie Taylor Green, hiring some weird little
Nazi from the internet is not unusual. If you know
that there was a scandal in the forties where some congressmen.
So congressmen can send free mail, they don't have to
pay postage on stuff they send to their constituents. But
you know, the franking systems.

Speaker 2 (53:20):
Erk of the job. That's why a lot of them
get into it.

Speaker 1 (53:22):
Free mail, free mail. Maybe stamps are expensive.

Speaker 2 (53:24):
But there was the.

Speaker 1 (53:25):
Scandal in the forties where they were using their franking privileges.
They would go on the house floor when nothing else
was really happening. There's like not an important big day
for bills, and they would give a speech that was
Nazi propaganda. So then it's in the congressional record and
then you can mail Nazi propaganda to all of your
constituents for free.

Speaker 2 (53:42):
Wow.

Speaker 1 (53:42):
Wow, because there was a weird, little fucking Nazi working
for a congressman, Like this is not unprecedented. We've always
been like this right just online now.

Speaker 3 (53:52):
Yeah, and now like then, it sort of makes it
more about like what do we do about these like
these things, these shadow creatures have appeared on a nor
It's like, no, it's like whack a mole. But like
with the weirdos and no, wow, we got to.

Speaker 1 (54:04):
Get a fourth Clan act, Helyssi says, granted, not go
far enough.

Speaker 3 (54:08):
Right exactly.

Speaker 2 (54:10):
Jesus Well, Molly Congress, I can't wait to listen to
the next episode and just yeah, you know, future episodes.
I particularly the Little Crumb, the Little nugget you gave
us on Timothy McVeigh and the song Bad Company, he
comes up a couple of different places, but yeah, he
the obsessive way he only listened to that song is terrifying.

(54:34):
It's like one of the strangest instances of human behavior
where you just kind of have to be like, huh,
how interesting, and.

Speaker 1 (54:43):
Like maybe it doesn't even mean anything, right, Like we
all have our idiosyncrasies, and once you commit a major
active domestic terror, they all look suspect in retrospect. But
who knows. Maybe you just really love Bad Company by
the band Bad Company from their album.

Speaker 2 (54:57):
From From the Bad Company.

Speaker 3 (54:59):
Maybe he's just loves like those He's like, I call
that a trifecta. Man. If you've got a titular track
with the band name from and it's on the album,
that's what that's fucking.

Speaker 1 (55:08):
I don't know what the bass is like in a
Sherman tank, like maybe it.

Speaker 3 (55:11):
Just felt good, yeah right, right right, yeah exactly.

Speaker 2 (55:15):
Some of the other people who were in there with
him must have. I can't imagine, although I can kind
of emt like my kids are currently really into do
you know who Perry Grip is? He's like from the
band the Nerf Herders. It's like children the.

Speaker 1 (55:30):
Children's music. They did the Buffy theme song.

Speaker 2 (55:33):
Okay, well he does children's music. He does It's a cat,
a post buffy cush a toilet, it's a cat, and
they're singing to that. They're listening to that repeatedly and
like over this weekend as I was like thinking about
the Timothy mcveay thing from your show, So don't think
about a bit, like Dad, what's wrong. It's a cat

(55:56):
the toilet, it's a cat.

Speaker 1 (55:57):
Just thinking about Ellaheim City.

Speaker 3 (55:59):
Yeah, that's right.

Speaker 2 (56:03):
Well, Molly Conger, what a pleasure having you on the show.
Where can people find you? Follow you, hear you all
that good stuff?

Speaker 1 (56:10):
Oh gosh, my show's on cool Zone Media. It's on
the iHeartRadio network and you can subscribe, subscribe to it
wherever you get your podcasts, and I hope that you
will do that. Maybe leave me a review that's not weird.
I'm getting a lot of like race Science reviews.

Speaker 3 (56:23):
Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 (56:26):
We need the reviews. We need the normal the normies
out there reviewing. Someone start doing amazing some one star.

Speaker 1 (56:33):
Reviews from guys who think I'm being unfair to white men, which, yes,
I hope to continue to do that, right, got some
some cool weird guys coming up. But you can find
me on Twitter at Socialist dog Mom and that's that's
kind of it. Oh. I occasionally host episodes of It
Could Happen here, also a Cool Zone show.

Speaker 2 (56:51):
Yeah, I'm just out here online out here. Is there
a work of media that you've been enjoying a tweet
or otherwise? Oh?

Speaker 1 (57:00):
Man, No, I've only been consuming newspaper articles from the
nineteen sixties. Oh. I recently read some congressional testimony from
nineteen eighty five, very intriguing. You'll have to wait two
weeks to hear about that on my show though. So No,
the media I'm consuming is not normal, and I would
not recommend it.

Speaker 3 (57:17):
Stay a stay a.

Speaker 2 (57:20):
Miles. Where can people find you? Is there a working
media you've been enjoying?

Speaker 3 (57:23):
Yeah, find me on Twitter, Instagram at Miles of Gray.
You can find Jack and I on the basketball podcast
Miles of jackot Mad Boosties. You can also find me
on the latest episode of Black People Love Paramore, where
I'm on there talking about rat beefs and just it's
been a while I haven't really had an ability to

(57:43):
really get through all of my feelings with different rat beefs.
So this is a perfect opportunity for that. Check out
that episode, the latest episode of Black People Love.

Speaker 1 (57:52):
Paramore, and there're more than one beef going on right now.

Speaker 3 (57:55):
I think we're just talking generally like we're going through
some of them, from Bigie to jay Z and to
you know, n w A and Iceke all of that
up to Kendrick Lamark.

Speaker 1 (58:04):
I'm more that Kendrick is overshadowing some other current beef.

Speaker 3 (58:08):
Yeah, no, no, no, no, no, no, no no, it's yeah,
the Kendrick Lamar. I don't know, man, that this that
the beef though definitely took over my mind as someone
who's from Los Angeles, I definitely spent a lot of
time talking about that. But anyway, check me out there.
I don't have a work of social media because I've
been I was, I was out taking a break, so
I don't like to look at the social media that

(58:28):
often to give myself a bit of a brain reset.
But you know what I did watch. I've just been
watching that that that show Presumed Innocent, that Jake Jillenhall show,
which is wild.

Speaker 2 (58:40):
Yeah, it's again. You watch it all right, I'm the
fourth recommendation.

Speaker 3 (58:44):
I'm like, I'm on the last episode of it, and
it's it's pretty good. I would say. The one thing
was like I was, I was amazed that it's just
wild to see how many actors like who aren't from
America that are playing Americans all the time. Like like
one of the like the one of the black characters
who plays the da is like from England. The judge
who's a black woman is like from Switzerland. Ruth Nega

(59:06):
who is plays Jillen Hall's wife, she's Irish. I was like,
it's Irish.

Speaker 1 (59:12):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's not in Trump's twenty twenty four platform, right,
like bring back American jobs.

Speaker 2 (59:19):
These are these are black jobs.

Speaker 3 (59:20):
These are the black jobs I'm talking about. Even nothing's
safe even for them. They were doing it. The Australians
were taking the white people jobs and now the black
people acting jobs are all gone. They're all gone. So yeah,
I've just been watching that and it's Peter Sar's Guard
will always make I will always be suspicious of Peter
Sar's Guard whenever I see him on the screen. So
there's that.

Speaker 2 (59:40):
It's got a very unnerving presence.

Speaker 3 (59:42):
He could because he's got like like Malcolvi, like Malkovich energy,
you know what I mean.

Speaker 1 (59:49):
Dylan is looking Scars Guards.

Speaker 3 (59:51):
Yeah yeah, yeah, well yeah Stars, that's the only part
Stars Guard that guy, not the Scars Guards. The thing
different Scandinavian acting family. Yeah, the one that's married to
Maggie Jillenhaller was married to I can't remember what.

Speaker 2 (01:00:04):
Or scarguard the thing that you put on a cut
to make sure that it doesn't get scarred.

Speaker 3 (01:00:08):
Yeah, the SEO was all fucked up for them.

Speaker 2 (01:00:11):
Yeah yeah, so share. You can find me on Twitter
at Jack Underscore Obrian. Somebody retweeted the reaction of Test
audiences while watching the chest burster scene in Ridley Scott's Alien,
and everybody's like, oh gross, like screaming, and then Robert
Evans from Cool Zone zoomed in on this one guy,

(01:00:31):
like guy with a beard and long hair, who's just
got this facial expression that's like yeah, man, all right.
He just tweeted, hell yeah, brother.

Speaker 3 (01:00:43):
This is from the eighties Test Audiences seventy nine Wow.

Speaker 1 (01:00:48):
Woweah, Well I just feel like receiving that, even knowing
it's going to happen. We've got you're gonna react, but yeah,
he's made a stronger stuff stronger.

Speaker 2 (01:00:57):
Yeah, yeah, exactly.

Speaker 1 (01:00:59):
We're just like a seventies dish weed.

Speaker 3 (01:01:01):
Yeah yeah, rightah yeah, it's like yeah, it's like the
movie version of like when you're listening to music and
you're like, damn, this is like kind of a band,
you know, like when you hear a band you didn't
know you were trying to hear, and you hear and
you're like all right, like.

Speaker 2 (01:01:14):
Yeah, that's the special expression this.

Speaker 3 (01:01:16):
Yeah, chess burst.

Speaker 2 (01:01:18):
It finally feel seen.

Speaker 1 (01:01:21):
It awoke something in him.

Speaker 3 (01:01:23):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:01:23):
Anyways, we will link off to that in the footnotes.
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Wait no, I didn't do the thing anyways. You can
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(01:01:46):
the information that we talked about in today's episode. Who
is a song we think you might enjoy? Miles did
you hear any music while you were off that you
think the people might enjoy?

Speaker 3 (01:01:57):
I did? I mean? And it's I'm a bit behind
on trends. This like music video was doing big numbers
on YouTube. It's by this rapper from Kerala, India who
goes by Hanumankind. The track is called Big Dogs awgs
that's how they put a big dog. But the video

(01:02:18):
is dope. The beat instrumental is fucking. It's it's way
to go, it's fire, it's crazy. The wrapping, you know,
it's it's fine. The production of the visuals were so good,
you know, the wrapping. I could go either way on
but I think it's a track we're listening to because
it's just like. We'll just check the video out. It's
super fun. It's Big Dogs by hanuman Kind. I know

(01:02:39):
I'm late, or at least probably younger people in your
life would be like, dude, you're so fucking late.

Speaker 2 (01:02:43):
Well guess what ten days old? What is wrong with you?
My god?

Speaker 3 (01:02:47):
Dude? Are you dead?

Speaker 2 (01:02:51):
All right? We'll link off to the video on the footnotes.
The day guys the production of iHeartRadio. For more podcasts
for My Heart Radio, visit the Heart Radio app Apple
Podcasts or wherever you get your podcast. That's gonna do
it for us this morning, back this afternoon to tell
you what is trending and who will talk to you all.

Speaker 3 (01:03:07):
Then Bye bite bye,

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