Stan Culture The New Religion? Don’t Fear The Repo 06.13.23

In episode 1500, Jack and Miles are joined by culture critic, author of Wannabe: Reckonings With The Pop Culture That Shapes Me, and co-host of Pop Culture Happy Hour, Aisha Harris, to discuss… Stan Culture Is The New Religion? F*ck Oedipus Let’s Talk Psychological Archetypes of Pop Culture, Kristi Yamaguccimane AKA Will and more!

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hello the Internet, and welcome to season two ninety one,
Episode one overall, episode number one thousand and five hundred.

Speaker 2 (00:10):
Of Daly's Geist.

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To super producer Justin for out pointing that out we
are mild so bad, We're so bad and know him
about this Half the time, it's y'all going like, hey,
you know that was like your twelve hundred episodes.

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You know, it's like a thousand episodes, and I'm like,
is it?

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even mix in the mix all that to say, yeah,
this one's fifteen hundred, man, Yeah, that's without trend one thousand,
five hundred daily episodes of.

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Guys.

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Yes, okay, that's right, we do have a murder of
fifteen hundred. This episode is absolutely Slays Still a production
by Heart Radio Yeah podcast where we take Deep Avenue
American share consciousness. This is one of our very special
Dailies guest episodes where we have a couple of guests
on and kind of focus on their areas of expertise.

(01:06):
We have the one, the only one of our favorite
listeners and the only listener who has been a full
on guest on the show. Christy Amagucci Mane coming a
little bit later to talk to us about his on
the job exploits a man who wears many hats and
of first we are talking to Aisha Harris. Yeah, pop

(01:29):
culture experts. She just wrote an amazing book about pop culture. First,
I guess I should. We've only done it one thy
five hundred times. I'm a little rusty. My name is
Jack O'Brien aka Potatoes O'Brien, and I'm thrilled to be
joined as always by my.

Speaker 2 (01:43):
Co host me, mister Miles Great. Oh, thank you so much.
It's Miles Great aka.

Speaker 3 (01:48):
I was gonna declassify, but then I got high. I
was gonna turn them all into the Fed, but then.

Speaker 2 (01:55):
I got high.

Speaker 4 (01:57):
Now I'm being indicted, and I know because I'm the
guy that just wouldn't try to simply comply. But da da,
and that's from Reddit.

Speaker 3 (02:09):
TV on Discord said, hey, this is this is popping
off on our politics, and then like people, this is
this isn't even a listener. But sometimes y'all are finding
just fantastic eight a's on there, So shout out TV
on the Discord.

Speaker 1 (02:20):
I feel like he would have a real mental health
episode if he ever smoked weed.

Speaker 3 (02:24):
Donald Trump, Oh, he'd honestly, And I don't want to
say that. I'm not interested in justice, but I would
settle if they if the Feds would allow me, I
would roll a blunt soap potent that Trump's hair would
fly off his head. And I would like to just

(02:45):
watch him squirre him for that like seventy five ish
minutes where he's like, they hate me, don't they? What
is this I've been eating pizza all wrong or whatever
is going on? But yeah, he's there's no way you
can be in like mentally on like a tight rope
all the time like this guy is. And then it
introduced weed to the mix.

Speaker 1 (03:01):
Not but Yes so special guest expert guest up front,
Aisha Harris. We're going to talk to her about whether
stand culture is the new religion. We're going to talk
about pop culture like archetypes like I. You know, I've
always said that Freud should have just analyzed pop culture

(03:22):
like movies from the nineties.

Speaker 3 (03:24):
Right, rather than like Oedipus you are you are Charlotte
from sex.

Speaker 1 (03:28):
Oedipus is the like pop culture figure that smart people
bring up first when they're like, hmm, doctor Freud, anyone.
But I feel like all characters operate in that way,
especially ones that really connect and become iconic. I managed
not to talk for a half hour about Hannibal Lecter,
but that is my number one example of like, you know,

(03:52):
something expressing something in our unconscious as.

Speaker 3 (03:56):
If you talk about Jaws. Though I do talk about
Jaws quite a bit. I even reveal a very obscure
character from film that I related to that.

Speaker 1 (04:05):
Yeah, we'll talk about that after the episode. But oh
my god, yeah, all that plenty more so, yeah, we'll
we dive on and get into it right now.

Speaker 2 (04:15):
Aisha Harris the author of the upcoming Wanta Be Reckonings
with the Pop Culture That Shapes Me?

Speaker 1 (04:20):
Yeah, well, Miles, you're thrilled to be joined for our
expert interview portion of the show by a renowned culture
critic podcaster who you can currently here is one of
the hosts of MPRS pop Culture Happy Hour. Her new
book is want to Be Reckoning with the Pop Culture

(04:41):
That Shapes Me?

Speaker 2 (04:42):
It's Aisha harr.

Speaker 1 (04:45):
Welcome.

Speaker 5 (04:46):
Oh that's the most boisterous introduction I've gotten ever.

Speaker 2 (04:51):
ASO level.

Speaker 1 (04:52):
We're very boterous here.

Speaker 3 (04:54):
Well let us know if someone does a more boisterous introduction,
call us, because we'll have you back just to come
for that crown.

Speaker 5 (05:00):
Yeah, given, Oprah, I like it.

Speaker 1 (05:02):
I like it the first Yeah. Actually we were a
big old energy there for sure. That such a compliment.
First of all, I have to say, I laughed so
hard when you called out the DMX lyric I'm not
a nice person.

Speaker 5 (05:18):
It's such a great line.

Speaker 1 (05:20):
It's such a great line. It's just it's such a
funny distillation of his whole vibe. But it just like
drops all pretense, all dog metaphors go out the window.
It's just I am not a nice person. Oh yeah,
I mean that. I remember the opening of the song
is so intense when it's.

Speaker 6 (05:39):
Like, see this is ship I fucking be talking about,
and then in a certain part it's like I'm not
a nice person. Like, wow, it's the same thing I'm
always when my friends when that album came out and
then there was we were like, this is somehow the
best line in all hip hop.

Speaker 1 (05:53):
Yes, this is to the point it sounds a little
like therapy, Like it sounds like I'm worried, I'm not
nice person.

Speaker 5 (06:04):
But yet he sounds so menacing and like, oh yeah.

Speaker 1 (06:08):
That yeah, but yeah. One of it is a great read,
very insightful. I want to kind of jump around to
some of the different ideas that it raised that we
talk a lot about on this show, and I wanted
to talk start off with stan Culture. You have a
really great essay I think called Kenny g Gets It, Yes, Yes,

(06:32):
about stand culture. So, you know, a story that we
talked about recently on our show a couple of weeks
back was that people are experiencing post concert amnesia after
going to Taylor Swift concerts. And one of the more
interesting like feces I've seen for why this is happening

(06:52):
was Myra Fox and Forward comparing it to the Jews
forgetting all of their time in the desert and Talmud.
And but like even when you go into like their
psychology today articles that are talking about, you know, why
this might be happening, and it does seem to all

(07:13):
kind of coalesce around this idea of their having this
highly affected, elevated experience at this show. And you know,
the article then points out that you know, Swifties kind
of pour over her lyrics the way that like a
talmud Ex scholar would debate the finer points of their

(07:36):
core text, and you know, there will be an extremist
offshoot that believes she's coming out in her lyrics or something,
and then they will go to war with like some
you know, some other branch of interpretation. But yeah, I
just wanted to kind of you describe stand behavior as
quote a wave of cultish behavior that has threatened to
over tikpop culture of the past few years. Where stands

(07:59):
original a pejorative reference to a crazed, violent fan like
the one described in Eminem song Stand, but now apparently
a badge of pride express a kind of unyielding devotion
to artist, which mirrors zealous followers of you know, religion.
So yeah, like, did you see the story about people
experiencing post concert amnesia? Are you buying that it's related?

Speaker 5 (08:23):
No, this is the first time I'm hearing about it.
So like they're forgetting the show happened.

Speaker 3 (08:27):
They were saying things like, were it not for literal
footage on my phone, I could I was having trouble
remembering the details of the entire concert.

Speaker 5 (08:36):
Yeah. Uh, that just sounds like they want an excuse
to have their phones up the entire time instead of
just like letting themselves enjoy its memory. Oh my goodness. Like, look,
I have definitely been that person sometimes at concerts who
puts her phone out and is like, oh my god,
I need to catch this experience, and then like ten

(08:56):
seconds the I'm like, what am I doing? They're right
in front of me.

Speaker 2 (09:00):
Right, and I'm looking at it through my phone screen.

Speaker 5 (09:03):
Yeah, I And like I almost never go back and
actually watch that video, so like, I don't know, I.

Speaker 1 (09:10):
Don't think it's ever happened in recorded human history that
someone has gone back and looked at the video of
the footage they took at a concert. I feel like
it's always just the act of taking it down to
be like this is so good for evidence, right, Yeah.

Speaker 5 (09:26):
Yeah, I don't It's it's dumb. I'm actually going to
see Janna Jackson this weekend, and I'm very very excited,
and I might pull out my phone, but it'll probably
be more to like film myself and my friend's lip
syncing as opposed to like trying to film you know,
her dancing. To me, that makes a little bit more
sense because like you're capturing the moment and you want

(09:46):
to remember who you wrote with like that sort of thing.
But yeah, stands stands are weird, man. I mean, like you,
like you said in the quote from my book, like
this was originally a Stan was someone who murdered his
his his. I mean, Stan was someone who murdered his
wife and his pregnant wife or girlfriend and was writing

(10:09):
crazy notes to EM and M And somehow we've turned
this into like a positive thing.

Speaker 2 (10:13):
That's me.

Speaker 5 (10:14):
It's like it's such an American way of life. Like
that's just like turning something that has really deep seated,
like awful roots. And like I think Stan itself is
the song is a really interesting song. I don't think
it's a bad song. I just think like the whole
point is that it's sort of a cautionary tale and
now it's like something to aspire to, right, And that's

(10:35):
just it's just fucking weird. It's it's dumb. And so
what I was trying to argue in the book was
just like we need to have a better way of
being fans and thinking about what fandom means. And I
think for me, one of the more insidious parts of
Standem is not just like that people are so into
whatever artists or whatever franchise they're into. But it's that

(10:57):
if someone else doesn't like what you're into, then it's
taken as like this, you know, the worst offense in
the world. You hate this person and they hate you,
and it's very like jets and sharp sort of situation.
It's like, this doesn't need to be that serious, like yeah, oh,
should be able to like what they like, hate what

(11:18):
they hate, and never the twins shall meet or whatever.

Speaker 1 (11:21):
You know, Yes, well, I mean, but that is also
a thing that's been happening for millennia when it comes
to religion rights, like my interpretation of the religion, and
I mean, we've talked about trends around religion on the show,
and it's clear that for a large portion of the country,
like God and traditional religion are dead or dying or

(11:44):
at least do not hold the central part of their
life that you know, they did a couple generations ago,
like and even that they did like a couple decades ago.
But the human search for meaning and like having some
broad significance to their life doesn't just go away. And

(12:06):
I do wonder, like your essay really made me wonder
if this is what is coming in to fill that
space in people's lives, like the the like you mentioned
in the essay, the religious fervor of Star Wars fans
when they're forced to confront a new trilogy that might

(12:26):
move in a different direction than their worldview, and the
amount of energy that puts forth that they put forth,
you know, arguing about it and criticizing it and stuff,
I feel like starts to make sense to me if
I'm thinking of it, Like, you know, what if the
Catholic Church was just like hey, new Gospel just dropped,

(12:48):
Like I feel like that would get quite the reaction
from you know, develot Catholics. And so this is like,
if these stories fill that place in people's lives, then
like I feel like I can understand the world. It
is a terrifying situation to you know, a weird culture

(13:09):
to exist in, and also like really makes the position
of these celebrities and these filmmakers like very scary. Right,
that's a lot of pressure.

Speaker 5 (13:22):
Yeah, absolutely, I mean there's something weirdly evangelical about the
way that these fans stands approach these things, whether it's
like trying to wrinkle as many streams of this artist's
song or album so that they gets at the top,
or you know, trying to convince strangers on the internet

(13:44):
why like this is the best movie ever. Like it's
just there is this weird sense of like and I
think I don't think all social media is terrible. I
think it can be great for actually connecting fans to
other people who they wouldn't normally interact with, you know,
and people have more of a community they can find
and foster online. But but then on the other hand,

(14:06):
it is it does have this weird sort of like
religious bent to it that feels icky, and the fact
that in some cases these artists who shower name nameless,
sometimes they foster this weird religious fervor by you know,
singing having seeking their fans on people who criticize them,

(14:27):
you know, or the studios or are you know they
really play into this or you know, release the Snyder
cut like oh my goodness, like calm down, let's let's
calm down here. I definitely think the religious aspect of
it is is very accurate. I also think there's like
a comparison to be made to sports fans and how
you know, pop culture has in some ways become its

(14:49):
own sport. Where people take sides and you know, like
team I don't know, team Malli, team you know, like
all the yeah or yeah. So yeah, it's really screwed
up our way of like relating to one another, and
also how we relate to art, because at the end

(15:10):
of the day, it's like we should just like be
able to enjoy it without having to add on all
this extra layer of like meaning that I think can
be harmful to society. Yeah yeah, social media, yeah.

Speaker 3 (15:24):
Because yeah, I think everything's kind of like inverting in
this weird way, especially with celebrity culture being where it's at.

Speaker 2 (15:30):
Right.

Speaker 3 (15:30):
If someone had a quote that I read like years
ago that was saying, like, prior decades, you became a
celebrity for achieving something. That's what brought along celebrity to
someone was because of an achievement. And now we're in
an era where merely being a celebrity is the achievement
and it sort of ends there. And I think through
all that we're always if that's the case, then we're

(15:51):
also trying to find like who our heroes are, and
like it becomes this thing where now we're defending people
tooth and nail over these criticisms of again like people
were we just talk about how we're like deifying these people,
but it's starting to take on like quite a more
like literal sense of that, like where people are you know,
coming at each other with the same level of energy

(16:11):
that you normally would be like, oh, is this some
kind of religious like a religion like intra religion.

Speaker 2 (16:17):
Battle or something like that.

Speaker 3 (16:18):
But again, I feel like it's maybe just because like
as we slowly like losing touch of like what has
meaning what doesn't, then we just sort of like are
left with these things and being like, well, I'm a barb,
so this is.

Speaker 1 (16:28):
What like my right.

Speaker 3 (16:30):
You don't be careful, I've already died a thousand deaths
on the internet.

Speaker 1 (16:37):
I mean truly like not to take it to too
dark a place, but I mean I feel like the
Beatles might have been the first people to like fully
get to this place, and like John Lennon commented on
it by being like, we're bigger than Jesus like in
some in some ways, and then he was assassinated, you know,
by one of his fans. Like, you know, so I

(17:01):
do think there are like all sorts of dark directions
that this shit can go, you know, John Lennon was
at surface level a pop singer who sing sang songs
about being a walrus, and yet like he took on
such meaning to so many people that, like the the
guy who shot him, I think one of his like

(17:23):
chief motives was that he didn't like the direction that
his career was taking at that point and like wanted
to preserve him in amber. So like again, it's just
this religious fanaticism and devotion that has to kind of
go somewhere and can go in like these really dark, horrifying.

Speaker 5 (17:42):
Directions and before stan right, yeah.

Speaker 3 (17:46):
Yeah, exactly, Like for for people who like aren't familiar,
you know, some people know Kenny. Why did you use
Kenny G to sort of illustrate this point? Because like I,
for me as like a millennial, like I get it, yes,
because that was like the first thing that we were
like Kenny G sucks.

Speaker 1 (18:03):
Face forever I felt seen because I have a religious
devotion to Kenny g idol tootail that I just like
kind of brayed into the back of mine like a
paddle on.

Speaker 2 (18:17):
But yeah, I mean what about Kenny G sort of
like encapsulated this for you?

Speaker 5 (18:21):
Well, yeah, so I had I had seen the documentary
Listening to Kenny G, which is really great. I mean
you have to actually listen to Kenny G music while
watching it. So that's like the bad, the downside of it.
But like it's really interesting because he seems very he's
very aware of his reputation as like someone who's made

(18:44):
millions and millions of millions of dollars because a certain
segment of the population at a certain period in time
was obsessed with him. And you know, my my, my mom,
she had several Kenny G albums. I had to listen
to that ship a lot, especially during the holidays because
like that was like peak Kenny G season and like

(19:06):
the mid to early nineties so smooth, so few few
genres as a whole, like just make my blood boil,
like smooth jazz. I hate it so much, Like it's
not it's not real jazz. It's not.

Speaker 1 (19:20):
Oh no, it's so sanitized.

Speaker 5 (19:22):
Yet it's so But that's the point of the documentaries
that you have these music critics who are arguing, like
this is not he's like not playing real jazz, and
even he will admit, like, look, I know some people
don't like me, and I realized I'm a polarizing figure.
And he says, you know when I'm paraphrasing here, but
he says, you know, when someone says they you like something,

(19:44):
I like something, don't you, and that person says no,
I don't, then you take it really personal, as though
like they're saying something is wrong with you or something
bad about you. And that's kind of like how I
frame the essay, which is like I talk about stand
up and all that, but I also talk about sort
of how we also use these figures and these movies

(20:06):
and TV shows to sort of like assign value to
ourselves or make ourselves feel better about who we are.
And so like it's not just enough to really like
Beyonce's music, but you also have to feel as the
Beyonce represents your values, like as a as a moral
human being. And so when she's called out for using

(20:26):
the word spas in a song and then re sends it,
like that makes you feel good because you're like, oh,
she's listening, and like she's progressive and she understands these
things yea, and like same like with Taylor Switch when
like she finally stopped being well then she dated Matt
Healey apparently, but like whatever, before that, you know, she
was supporting democratic politicians and supporting queer rights, and when

(20:51):
that happened, it made her fans, many of them feel
better about themselves because they're like, oh, she she also
thinks like me. And I think that's just as much
of a trap in some ways as you know, being
just a religious fan of anyone, in part because it's
just like, yeah, I mean sure there are ways. There

(21:12):
are certain ways where you can assign like if someone
is listening to I don't know, I'm trying to think of,
like who's the like, are there any neo Nazi artists.
I'm sure there are, like if they're like, if you're
listening to someone who has like neo Nazi traits, Oh,
I recently learned that like one of the members of
Ace of Base was like connected to neo Nazi.

Speaker 2 (21:35):
Whatever kind of a wing at Nazism.

Speaker 5 (21:37):
Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, but apparently he was like a
neo Nazier. I don't want him coming from it, but
like may have been associated or sympathized with that movement.
And if someone knows this and then like is like,
oh yeah, I still loves the Base, like, then you
might be like that's that's troubling. But I also don't
think that like it's it's it's just kind of it's

(22:00):
a slippery slope because not every artist, most artists, most
people are not going to have the same exact line
of values as you are, So like, I think it's
just like we shouldn't trap ourselves into like, you know,
I guess our Kelly would have better like if someone's
like fully supporting our Kelly, like in this day and age,
I'm going to look sideways at you and I'm probably

(22:21):
not going to like want to be around you, but
like at the same time, you know, I think most
artists are more complicated than that. And just the subscribing
of meaning it feels like play like, it feels like posturing,
and I don't like it. I wanted to just kind
of like like what we like and hate what we

(22:42):
hate and not always try to put deeper yeah, not
not put too much deeper meaning into it than that.

Speaker 3 (22:49):
Yeah, because there's so many times too I'll hear a
song and then like someone's like, oh, you know that
person like was you know, it's like actually a monster,
And I'm like, what even know, Like an algorithm suggested
this song me and I liked it, but I also
get too a part of you is like you start thinking,
as a consumer, what's your role in that? But I
think the further point is, like I think for some
people the experience of music is probably the closest thing

(23:11):
we have to religion sometimes because people aren't. Ye, we're
so disconnected that I can tell. Like for me, when
I was just losing my shit to different music, it
was because it was I could say, like I was
envisioning myself like living out the lyrics or like the
beat was just like put me in a different zone
and things like that. And I think that's where it
kind of gets slippery, where you do begin to be
like this person can give bring this feeling out of me.

(23:33):
Therefore I'm going to like assign like all these higher
values to them or their persona because of like that connection.
And yeah, I think it does get a little It
can't get a little slippery at times if you're also
like you have to mirror every single value I have too,
because shit, I mean, I love jay Z, but I
hate capitalism. And he's told me, says day one, he

(23:54):
is a capitalist, and so I'm like, yeah, you know everything,
but that you know, crossing pit it lines and stuff,
you know.

Speaker 5 (24:02):
Yeah, yeah, And to be clear, I don't think we
shouldn't critique those things. I'm just saying I don't think
it should be a like burn it all down situation
where you know, I think we should be able to
enjoy the music but also say, like, but this this
aspect of whatever they're saying or whoever they are, like

(24:23):
jay Z, you're even Beyonce, who look, I levet Beyonce,
but she's also just as much of a capitalist as
she is. You know, that is worth noting because it
also just it comes up in their music, so it's
impossible to separate the two. But yeah, I also don't
believe that we should just be like, oh, well, if
you like Beyonce, then you fully support capitalism, because it's like, no,

(24:44):
that's not how this works.

Speaker 1 (24:46):
Yeah, it's disconnected. It is that, you know, Kenny G's
music gets me outside of myself, gets me outside of
like time as normally experienced, which like that is something
that is being that needs to be a replaced. It's
like people used to have these religious services where they'd
all get together in community and you know, listen to

(25:07):
music and and yeah, meditate and like, so if I
because we're in this like hyper capitalist like cellular existence
as like individual nodes, and like there aren't that many
opportunities to get outside of ourselves. So like if Kenny
G does that for me, like you know, and I

(25:27):
didn't start listening to him because I knew that the
G stands for God. That realization came to me later,
like you know, years after. All Right, let's take a
quick break and we'll come back, and I want to
talk to you about this quote where you talk about
inadvertent self formation by way of popular culture, which I

(25:51):
think is brilliant, and I want to talk about some
psychological archetypes. So we'll be right back, and we're back.
We're back, and Ayisha, So yeah, I read the quote.

(26:13):
But you talk about pop culture informing how we think
about ourselves, how we like shape ourselves. You kind of
run us through various pop culture figures who you modeled
your identity on as you were growing up. I've often
said on this show that Freud fucked up big time

(26:34):
by using ancient Greek myths instead of pop culture archetypes
from the nineties. I think he could have really made
a name for himself if he had just you know,
stuck to pop culture. But it does feel like there, Yeah,
these are the things that we should be like as
we're thinking about you know, where does this weird urge

(26:57):
come from? Two stand people? For instance? Like these are
the figures that I think actually exist in people's minds
and like deep in their unconscious.

Speaker 3 (27:09):
Right, how would you how did you explain again this
concept of inadvertent self formation by way of popular culture.

Speaker 5 (27:16):
Well, I think especially when we're just kids or adolescents,
we're not thinking deeply about what we're consuming, what we're
viewing or watching. We are just we're taking it in.
We're like a sponge, right, It's just everything affects us
and we don't necessarily know how to name it or

(27:38):
know how to identify it, and it comes out. And
how we talk to each other, how we think of ourselves,
how we see ourselves. I mean, I think about, you know,
growing up as a kid in the nineties and how
casual homophobic language is just like the thing that everyone did.
And if you go back and watch the movies that
we were all watching, whether it was like Acepure or

(28:01):
like the teen movies of it, Like there's all this
casual homophobia, you know, showing up there, and so you
don't realize until years later, or at least, I mean,
I'm sure plenty of actual queer people recognize it in
those moments.

Speaker 1 (28:17):
You know.

Speaker 5 (28:18):
I obviously it was never right or okay, and it
definitely was hurting people then. But I think, you know,
part of what growing up hopefully is means being able
to go back and sort of look at the things
that you took in when you were younger and understand
how they may have and may still be affecting how

(28:39):
you view things today. And so that's where the sort
of the idea of it being inadvertion comes from, is
because like it doesn't like sometimes it just happens to
you and then you have to later go back and realize, Okay,
how did this happening to me make me who I
am now? And a lot of it is sometimes like
going back and undoing, trying to undo what sort of

(29:00):
calcified in your mind and brain and how you relate
to things. Yeah, like it was. I'm pretty sure when
I was a kid, I probably use the F word,
the homophobic F word a couple times, because that's what
I you know, grew up around. So yeah, it's a

(29:21):
lot of undoing and trying to become better, hopefully if
you're able to go back and look at those things
and recognize those things.

Speaker 3 (29:30):
I feel like so much of that debate now where
people are like it's true, woke are like people who
can't let go of Like, but my favorite movie is this,
and I have to say it's bad now if I agree,
and true, like how much we we take on shit
that we see in the media, especially in the age
before social media, Like I was, everyone's like looking for

(29:51):
something that might feel like them or could be them,
or something you could kind of just feel like aligned
with what were like the shows or works of media
that you kind of grasped and sort of ingested to
kind of become your personality.

Speaker 1 (30:04):
You know.

Speaker 5 (30:04):
I write in the book about what I called my
my Hoe phase and and you know, which lasted from
roughly my late teens to mid ish twenties, and how
I kind of had this idea of what I wanted
to be as a as a as a girl slash woman,
and how I related to men, boys and men, and

(30:28):
I thought that, you know, I had to be sort
of tomboy ish and the type of girl who could
hang with the guys, not necessarily, Like I never pretended
to like sports like that was never my Like sports
aren't my thing. I never pretended to do that, Like
it wasn't that. But you know, I'd use what I
liked movies, TV music to sort of signal, oh, I'm

(30:51):
like I'm cool, Like super Bad is one of my
favorite movies, Aren't I cool? It really is one of
my favorite movies. I love that movie. Uh, but like
I would play that up, or play you know, play
up the fact that you know, I was really into
I don't know, freaks and geeks or the wire whatever
as like the thing I put on my dating profiles,

(31:11):
and I saw like this vision of like wanting to
be closer to this idea of masculinity in a way
as a way of like shielding myself from getting hurt
by boys and men. And so I was very much
like Samantha Jones was my girl. I wanted to be
like her from Sex of City, Nola Darling and She's

(31:32):
Got to Have It, the nineteen eighty six film, not
the TV remake by Spike Lee, Like those were kind
of my you know, the badass women who fucked around
a lot, and like didn't like we're anti relationship, anti
getting too close to two men. That was kind of
what I clung to, and then over time I realized,

(31:54):
one that's reductive and also like at acting like a man,
thinking like a man and whatever this was before Steve Harvey,
I wasn't just like I'm not gonna just think like
a man, I'm gonna act like one too, fuck being
a lady. But like I once I realized that that

(32:15):
was all kind of a false dichotomy and that even
if you do act like that as a woman or
as a person who presents as a woman, like, you're
still gonna get the short of ends of the stick,
because like you're, you're still gonna get You're gonna be
slut shamed or you're gonna be you know, you're. It's
just there's no winning, and the idea of getting closer

(32:39):
like masculinity is not something at least that I want
to aspire to in the way that I conceived of it,
or that pop culture conceived of it, which was often
like the ladies man, whether it's Sam alone and cheers
or not, not that this like actually what I love about.
It's always Sundy Philadelphia, is that it's actually like critiquing
those things. But like I'm thing of Dennis and like

(33:00):
the dentist system and how like that is clearly something
to be. That's like being critiqued, this idea of masculine
men and what are those guys the pickup artists or
whatever like that? Yeah yeah, or the game or whatever. Yeah, yeah,
like that whole thing. I like, I thought that's what
I wanted to be, and then I realized it's all

(33:24):
it's all, it's all bullshit, it's all patriarchal, and I
had to sort of undo all of that mindset about
how to be a good person and how not to
be an asshole, because really I was just trying to
mimic not just not really masculinity per se, but just
like being an asshole, which is often assigned to men

(33:45):
and often seen as a good thing in men.

Speaker 1 (33:49):
Jack de What what?

Speaker 2 (33:51):
What TV people?

Speaker 3 (33:52):
What media people shaped you over the years, because I
feel like I was always a loose collection of shit
I saw on TV.

Speaker 1 (33:59):
In film, yeah, I mean Kenny g number one first
and foremost obviously influenced. I don't know if you've seen
pictures of me in fifth grade, but my hair was long,
kerned and always looked a little bit wet. I just
wore you know, dress shirts with a vest over top.

Speaker 2 (34:21):
At all times, you know, I was.

Speaker 1 (34:23):
I watched Jaws so many times before the age of
like six, that I think I was like a combination
of like Sheriff Brodie and Quint at various points are
like wanting to be that. And then also Rocky and
Karate Kid were the ones that I where I really
saw in like something about like the like I thought

(34:46):
it was cool to get your ass kicked. I think
other people like thought like yeah, like other other kids
would be like I'm into Bruce Lee or like somebody
who is famously an ass kicker. And the two characters
that I really loved were people who could like really
take a punch and just like keep getting back up

(35:08):
and so dog, yeah, the underdog who is just like
losing fights repeatedly. I also liked John McClain, who you know,
is just dragging his like broken body across broken glass
like by the end of that movie. Like so something
about that probably tied into the very strict Catholic app

(35:29):
upbringing that I had, you know, like some like weird
Mel Gibsonian like the Pasure. Yeah, yeah, Jack's sadism or
something was probably tied in there, but yeah, and then
Michael Jordan came along and I was like I want
to be that. I want to be Michael Jordan, and
then went to like you know, early nineties hip hop,

(35:51):
and then I'd say like pop intellectuals and writer like
Hunter S. Thompson, even though I like didn't love his writing.
I was like, man, that guy's cool. I want to
you know, drink and use drugs like the future doesn't
exist while still being respected as an intellectual and the Yeah,
I feel like those were kind of the main ones
as I was like still forming myself. Yeah, I was

(36:14):
just so addicted to TV and like films that like
every time I saw something I could like find I
was like always looking for like identity in like film
like the things I was watching, and like one of
the earliest ones was like Goku and Dragon Ball. As
a kid, like I was just like, oh this, like
I felt like it was teaching me things about toughness.
And then then I want to be Michael Jordan, and

(36:37):
then I wanted to be Will Smith and Fresh Prince.
Then I was ace Ventura for about two years with
the way I spoke, like just like Pete annoying.

Speaker 5 (36:46):
To every kid, every kid, every.

Speaker 1 (36:48):
Kid I was.

Speaker 2 (36:49):
I was alrighty then all that shit, yeah, I had.

Speaker 1 (36:52):
I had specific friends I remember who were ace Venturer
for three years in a row, and they, in my memory,
the funniest kids I knew, people I've ever met were
totally co opted that ship. And I was like, this
man is a genius.

Speaker 3 (37:07):
Yeah. And then I was the Wayans brothers. I mean,
Marlin more than Sean because Marlon was a little more outgoing.
Then I was Tiger Woods because that was the first
time I saw a Blazian person like me on TV.
And I was like, okay, so I'm that and I
tried to play golf. That ship that was I was
never going anywhere. Then there was the rock shot at
another like vaguely blazing person. Then Puberty hit. It was

(37:30):
all wrapped. I was like jay Z, I was method man.
I was Pharrell because people are like you gotta you
could be like for I was like, yeah, thank you,
thank you, thank you, thank you. I will not wear
trucker hats. I was wearing trucker hats and she should
have seen me in the early.

Speaker 5 (37:42):
I wore trucker hats too, because it was it was
the odds.

Speaker 2 (37:46):
Yeah, you had to, you had to, and at least
for me, I was like, that's a trucker hat.

Speaker 1 (37:49):
I'm like, but Pharrell wears one, so.

Speaker 3 (37:51):
I guess yeah, right. I wasn't wearing Bond Dutch quite yet.
Then I was like, I love Tom Sizemore and saving
Pride Ryan for something that is so weird. It's because
he kept jack to your point, and the Goku thing.
He kept getting shot and he kept getting back up
in the moment, and I was like, yo yo. And
then my mom was like, there was a monk in

(38:13):
Japanese folklore called Benk who maybe you would be more
interested in. So then I got into figures like that.
But now I don't think I've moved on past Pharrell.

Speaker 1 (38:21):
To be honest.

Speaker 3 (38:22):
Yeah, but it is one of those things where, like
so much of my identity was being defined by the
media sadly, and I was taking cues, especially from like
the blackness that I saw on screen as some kind
of standard that I had to sort of uphold because
I was being fed in a very specific version of
like what black culture was via television and film, then

(38:45):
other versions from my family, and then other times also
being Asian, I felt like I was just kind of
like a punchline. So I was always kind of sifting
through media to try and give me something.

Speaker 2 (38:53):
I'm like, well, that shit's cool on TV.

Speaker 5 (38:58):
For you, Oh.

Speaker 1 (39:03):
Let me tell you how.

Speaker 3 (39:04):
Yeah, my cousins, my black cousins were immediately they're like
I was Jackie Chan from the second the first rush
Hour came out, or Blackie Chan with a lot of things,
and yeah, that was And at the time I was like,
or I would even you know, the thing is you
even point that inward and you're like telling other people.
You're like, I'm like rush Hour the person, you know

(39:25):
what I mean, and then take that because you'd rather
like you got laughs from that. But it's always interesting
how I was, like I was always using media sort
of like this touchstone to inform those things.

Speaker 2 (39:33):
And again it was.

Speaker 3 (39:34):
Like out of seeking some way of like finding myself,
but also like maybe inadvertent or maybe very intentional kind
of personality formation as I was doing that.

Speaker 1 (39:45):
Yeah, it does feel like a very interesting way to
kind of just view the world and the cultural landscape
as like these figures that people that like resonate and
you know, they express some like you know that I
read this book when I was young about like how
movies are like cultural dreams. They're like expressing some something

(40:08):
from like our shared unconscious and you know, so obviously
they resonate and people pay money to see them, but
then they have this second life where they shape us
in the same way that like linguists talk about language
shaping everything we do because they like give us the
color palette that we are working with when we're like
trying to build the person that we want to be,

(40:31):
like how we talk, what we wear, how to like
you know, hold our body posture wise. There's this crazy
story about how like Marlon Brando, characters like nobody in
the Mafia dressed like that until Marlon Brando did in
a movie and then they were just like, yo, that's me,
that is me, that is who I want to be.

(40:53):
And then they started dressing like that, and then that's
that's what we associate with, you know, people in the Mafia.
But it was like this invention by a great artist.

Speaker 5 (41:04):
Yeah, that's so funny you brought that up, because I
did an entire I did like this deep dive episode
about The Godfather and how Italian Americans reacted to it,
And I learned that where it was just like they
were they the gangsters were imitating the movie version of themselves,
which is just such a great little anecdote and a

(41:28):
great example of how there's just this back and forth,
this cultural exchange between the language of the movies and
then the language of the people, and how they feed
into one another, and sometimes they become so blurred that
you don't know, it's like a chicken and egg situation,
like which actually came first? Like was this you know,

(41:48):
did this exist?

Speaker 2 (41:49):
Was it?

Speaker 5 (41:50):
You know? Was Marlon Brandall basing the character off of
a specific gangster, Humid, and then it just became sort
of the template for all these other gangsters. Yeah, it's
just it's so interesting to think about that, or even
something like I don't know, the Rachel haircut in the nineties,
how everyone wanted that. It's just like, what a weird time,

(42:10):
what a weird weird thing, how ingreat pop culture is
to all of us.

Speaker 3 (42:17):
Yeah, and I feel like we see it now even
more right, especially like with in politics, like every like
especially with like when you look at the symbolism and
like the imagery the semiotics of like political factions. Now,
Like I feel like you see so many people on
the right, like far right, who are just they like
they love the Punisher, they love the Joker, and there's

(42:41):
like this weird like again there are people are finding
these archetypes again. Do I think maybe give even their
own like political battles, meaning you know what I mean,
like because it might not be enough for them to
be sort of get the picture because they're looking at
maybe their own situation, but they like they're saying like, Okay,
I'm on this side of the fence plus Punisher. Oh yeah,
I like this, this is me. Now, this is me

(43:03):
the guy who is like just unhinged violent and feels
like that's the only way that can solve things, to
make people safe.

Speaker 1 (43:11):
Yeah. I think those two in particular are very like
powerful central sort of psychological archetypes that have really you know,
like back to Heath Ledger's Joker comes out at the
start of the Obama administration, and I think the like
resonated with people being like not everything's okay here, even

(43:32):
though kind of the mainstream media seemed to be like
we're good here, everything's good, right, history is over, and
then like the Joaquin Phoenix Joker comes out and like
adds what I think are two crucial ingredients that he
is an in cel and that he is like pointedly
not funny but wants to be funny, which I feel

(43:55):
like are two of the key features of a lot
of the people who identify with the joke and like that. Yeah.
I mean, that character's been around and resonating for a
long time, but it just feels like it's really Yeah. Wait,
in the books that are written about our culture, there
probably won't be as many of them as we like
to think, but I feel like that there will be

(44:16):
a whole chapter on like the Joker and The Punisher
and shit like that. Unfortunately, yeah maybe just yeah.

Speaker 3 (44:25):
Again, just shows how much meaning we like extract from
like our like our popular culture, because it wasn't like
no one's like going in history, right, Like I I
want to like I want to be William to comes
to Sherman or something like John Brown.

Speaker 2 (44:42):
They're like, I want to be the Punisher.

Speaker 1 (44:44):
Yeah, I want to be Batman.

Speaker 3 (44:46):
And you're like, oh shit, okay, so we've completely just
exchanged one for the other. But again has like that
same motivating force behind it.

Speaker 1 (44:54):
I guess. Well.

Speaker 5 (44:55):
Also, like the meaning that is being extracted is often
just like totally out of line of what the meaning
originally was or really is. Like when I think about
all the you know, the Bill Maher types who complain about, oh,
you can never get Blazing Saddles made today, it's like, okay,

(45:15):
but like Blazing Saddles is actually like a radical piece
of like.

Speaker 2 (45:20):
Filmmaking, and they're just yeah.

Speaker 5 (45:22):
And they're just like focused on Oh, well they you know,
they're they're using the N word or or whatever whatever.
Actually I don't even remember if the N word is us.
It doesn't matter. It's like they are taking the wrong
takeaways from that movie to prove their point. But really
it's just like that movie was, like maybe it wouldn't
have been made today. But also like most people who

(45:43):
are actually like liberals, the ones you are fighting against,
they would argue that Blazing Sddles is actually really great
because it's way more transgressive than an episode of Family
Guy or whatever. Like it's yeah.

Speaker 1 (45:56):
We wouldn't let you Bill Maher remake that would suck
and you would do a bad job. All right, let's
take one more break and we'll be right back. And

(46:19):
we're back, and I wanted to talk to you finally
about the chapter This is Ip That Never Ends, which
you open talking about what I think is one of
the more significant movies of the past like a couple decades,
which is the Lion King live action remake, And that

(46:39):
movie jumps out at me when you look at the
list of the top grossing films of all time, it's
in the top ten. But it's like a movie that
didn't really like all the other movies on there, resonated
and like had these cultural ripples and like you saw
like Halloween costumes or whatever, and it felt like the

(47:01):
Lion King movie, Like not a lot of people came
away from that movie and were like great job, no notes,
but it was it was a massive Like it wasn't successful.
I guess this is this is the thing that makes
it stand out for me from the rest of the movies,
and like the top twenty top grossing movies of all
time is that it was not successful as a movie,

(47:23):
but it was extremely successful as a marketing like event basically,
And like I feel like we saw the same thing
with like the Jurassic World franchise where it's like the premise,
the promise of this movie, the trailer are all like
they're really brilliant works of marketing. They make all the

(47:44):
sense as a marketing offering to a consumer, but like
the product doesn't follow through in a way that is
like culturally lasting. But because we live in a world
of like you know, where capitalism is kind of the
ultimate score that we're keeping, then we just like notched
them as a w and kind of move on. But yeah,

(48:05):
I'm just curious, like what made you kind of want
to open that chapter talking about the Lion King live
action remake?

Speaker 5 (48:12):
Well, I, first of all, I did not realize it
was like now in the top ten. But obviously that's
account like I'm assuming that's not accounting for inflator or
it's counting for inflation and not like actual number of
tickets sold. But so yeah, the thing about The Lion
King is unlike it's other Disney's other live action remakes

(48:37):
and the ones that they have already made, the ones
that they are going to continue to turn out, that
movie has all animals. There are no human characters, and
so this movie was advertised it's like, look at how realistic.
This is look at how it basically it really did
look like an episode of Planet Earth. Like that's how

(49:00):
quote unquote good the animation the CGI was, but good
for who? Because you know, the nineteen ninety four version
of Lion King is a classic in part because the
animation is so rich, richly drawn. They the character, the
animals have facial expressions you can understand like they are connected.

(49:24):
Their bodies and the way their bodies move are connected
to their emotions and their feelings. It is animated, It
is actually animated. And what we got with the Lion
King was a sort of dead eyed reminded me of
polar express like why are we doing this? There's nothing here?
And I think, to me, I wanted to focus on

(49:45):
that in part because it was so stark, how much
of a cash grab this was, and how Disney can
you know, say, until it's blow in the face that
it like wants to update these stories for new audiences
and blah blah blah. I mean, you just know that
we already know this property exists, we know the music,

(50:05):
we know the songs. You throw in Beyonce and Donald
Glover and people are gonna go see it. The artistic aspirations,
whatever they are, they do not play out for me,
at least on the screen, And so I wanted to
use it as a jumping off point to sort of
examine how we are just drowning in all of this
ip enfranchise bs for the most part in ways that

(50:27):
just feels suffocating and cyclical and as though we're like
never gonna get off this hamster wheel. It's interesting because,
like that essay, I mean, this entire book goes through
down a lot of rabbit holes. But I was not
expecting when I started writing the essay that I was
going to wind up like quoting Nietzsche. But here we were,

(50:49):
you know, in this idea of like us not being
willing to reckon with like things ending and having an end.
And I hire shows or movies that exist like as
a single thing without having to be resurrected in any way.

Speaker 1 (51:09):
You know.

Speaker 5 (51:09):
Obviously pop culture has always had, you know, resurrections and
reboots like, not that this is a new thing at all.
And I explain that in the essay, like I go
all the way back to the Silent era, where there
were remakes of Cecil b. DeMille, the filmmaker made like
three or four different versions of the same movie over

(51:30):
the course of his career, so it's not like this
is new, but it has definitely reached its like suffocation
level of like this is all Hywood seems to be
focused on is recreating and rehashing its old ideas because
that's what's the easiest to get butts in seats. And

(51:53):
I'm kind of sick of it and for every like
Spider Man across the universe where it's like, hell, yeah,
this is this is good, Like this is great, even
there's plenty of Ghostbuster twenty sixteens or you know, offering
all those busters or Arrested Development like on Netflix, which
was just like a terrible Like.

Speaker 3 (52:13):
I just I couldn't even do that where it's my
favorite season, my favorite season.

Speaker 1 (52:17):
I listened to that. I listened to Kenny g while
watching that. It's nice because the words don't clash with
the music, so you can kind of have just an
overall yeah, no, it's it's a weird. It's you do
a good job of describing like that, what the experience
was for people watching season four of Arrested Development interesting
like this, they're the same characters, but like just everything

(52:41):
seems like a little bit off.

Speaker 5 (52:43):
Yeah, and way longer, Like they need those episodes longer
than they ever needed to be because it was on Netflix.

Speaker 2 (52:50):
Yeah, like we can be wacky, man, what about a
forty five minute one?

Speaker 1 (52:53):
Who cares?

Speaker 3 (52:54):
It's also just hard as a consumer, right because like
we talk about this all the time on the show
of like just how like in the nineties, when development
people became all the marketing people at the studios, the
emphasis just became about like raw numbers, and like imagination
was kicked to the curb. And even now, like knowing that,
I'm still susceptible to them the studios basically being like, Hey,

(53:15):
the McRib is back, and I'm like, what a new
Jurassic Park movie? And I know it's not gonna come
close to the fucking the first hit a Jurassic Park
I took in nineteen ninety three.

Speaker 1 (53:27):
It's not even gonna come close but that high.

Speaker 3 (53:30):
Yeah, but I'm chasing the proverbial dragon or dinosaur in
this case, Yeah, because it.

Speaker 1 (53:35):
Stands out to me as like a real like it
could have if they had the right people, like the
dinosaurs at a park and like the park is now
full of people or the last one, the third in
the Jurassic World trilogy, where the dinosaurs are close in
the world, Like, those are amazing premises for films that

(53:56):
it feels like they were just like yeah, but the
marketing is gonna crush, so we actual we don't have
to worry about making them like great films.

Speaker 3 (54:03):
You guys want to go to Italy, Why don't we
say they're in the mountains in Italy?

Speaker 2 (54:07):
So I was like, what, they're in the Dolomites.

Speaker 1 (54:10):
Yes.

Speaker 2 (54:11):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (54:11):
The other issue with like that specific example of Jurassic
Park is that like the new one, the CGI, like
it doesn't even come close to feeling as real and
terrifying as the first movie. Like I can still watch
the first movie and when those kids are trapped in
that truck and it's like literally you can feel it

(54:32):
breathing on you. Oh yes, these new CGI ones just
don't I sound like such a fogie like there these
kids these days? Blah blah blah. But really, I think
we reached a tipping point at some point, Like maybe
it was Avatar where it's like it's just like, you know,
he did James Cameron did Avatar, and then everyone decided

(54:54):
like we're gonna go all in, but no one can
do it quite as good. We're even close as good
as James Cameron. So now we get all it's really
shitty CGI that like doesn't feel real and doesn't feel
like you're experiencing like it's just so flattening, and.

Speaker 1 (55:08):
Learned the exact wrong lesson from that. Yeah, yeah, I
mean yeah, like to your point, this has been going
on for years, Like the theater world has been putting
different versions of the same classic plays on for years.
Nobody decries the cynicism of that. I have in the
past been like what if we treated you know, superhero
movies the way that the theater treats Shakespeare plays, and like,

(55:31):
you know, if it takes you forty two Spider Man's
to get to across the Spider verse, so be it.
But it like, yeah, the thing where Miles, as you said,
like the development got taken over by the marketing people.
It feels like you're actually able to feel that. And
now the movies in the top ten, top twenty are

(55:53):
being taken over by these movies that like the you know,
they're directed by the studio, like they you know, they
just they it's it's all based on like different moments
that you can put in a trailer, and we're trending
in like a just a very flattened direction, to use

(56:14):
your word, Ayisha. I guess the other possibility is movies
are just not the art form going forward, and all
the artistry and storytelling is gonna go into video games.
But I will refuse to acknowledge that idea because I
don't play video games that much except for your switch
that you except for my Switch, which I love and
play all the time.

Speaker 5 (56:33):
Wow jamming out to Kenny and with the rest development
in the background.

Speaker 3 (56:38):
Yes, I think, I mean it does make me wonder.
Like I think that's why everything everywhere all at once.
I think was such a tonic for people because I
think so many of us aret this place.

Speaker 1 (56:50):
I'm like, bro, already seen this movie.

Speaker 3 (56:54):
Yeah, on some level, we like I feel so many times,
even when I went to go see Across the Spider Verse,
you see some trailers, I'm like, already see this, Like,
I mean, I know I haven't seen this, but I've
already seen this, and and again, like it's just all
about these like laser guided money making hits that aren't
necessarily like they just know that there's certain levers. It's
like I'll pull the celebrity lever because if I put

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the right mix of celebrities in this certain ip which
I know people just they don't care whatever it is,
they want to be there. Then we have these quote
unquote movies that do well while completely just you know,
they don't they don't satisfy like our appetite for something
like imaginative. Yeah, and like you'd think maybe now the
cynical like the cynicism of studio would be like what

(57:34):
if we just did like wacky stuff, man, like everything
everywhere is like that just that blew people's minds.

Speaker 1 (57:39):
But that might be a bridge too far for.

Speaker 5 (57:42):
That, I mean, but then then of course that's that's
the problem though, is that often they the studios will
try to recreate in everything everywhere at once, or like
think of all the the movies we've movies and shows
you've seen posts get out where I'm just like, right,
m no, you're not doing it as good as you

(58:02):
know the rest, Like you.

Speaker 2 (58:05):
Know, we're talking about the same stuff kind of yeah.

Speaker 1 (58:10):
Yeah, that is marketing. That is how marketing operates is
by imitating things that already work. You can't. You can't
invest in something unless you have like a proven track
record and like a deck with you know, metrics that
show that this like connected with people, And therefore you'll
never get As long as marketing is running development, you

(58:30):
will not get anything that has like a truly lasting impact.
You might have to start playing video games and get
used to subtitles because the movies coming from non English
speaking countries.

Speaker 2 (58:43):
Are really great.

Speaker 1 (58:45):
Yeah have you seen it? I finally saw Past Lives
this weekend, so good, highly recommend. Yeah, I enjoyed that.
All right, Well, Ayisha, thank you so much for coming
and talking to us about your amazing new book. Where
can people find you find? And anything else you'd like
to mention about the book?

Speaker 5 (59:04):
Yeah, go check it out. It's it's everywhere everywhere you
get books. Go to your local bookstore. Get it because
I like to support the local indies. Also, I have
an audio version I recorded by myself and you can
amazing check that out. I do a okay impression of
Dave Chappelle, so like, look for that if you if

(59:25):
you're if you're curious about it, and yeah, you can
find me as I'm sure everyone says. For now on
Twitter at crafting my style on Instagram at AHA number
eighty eight. And I'm now in Blue Sky, not really
posting too much because like it's it's a place where
things are still figuring themselves out. But I'm on Blue

(59:47):
Sky at just Aisha Harris. Yeah, that's that's oh. And
of course in pr howcoult your happy hour? There you go, Yeah,
come listen to us.

Speaker 1 (59:57):
Well, thank you so much for taking the time and
for writing this book.

Speaker 2 (01:00:00):
Yeah, thank you.

Speaker 1 (01:00:02):
This was awesome and we're back. What a fun interview.
Miles the time size more revelation.

Speaker 3 (01:00:10):
I I look, I think I also, I too wanted
to get my ass kicked and still be standing like.

Speaker 1 (01:00:16):
You, Yeah, listeners, let us know anybody else like just
really fantasizing about getting the shit kicked out of you.
I just like there was that.

Speaker 3 (01:00:23):
And also that Jetly movie Hero there's like the I
think the last scene he's like facing down a wall
of arrows. Yeah, and like it's like the last scene
I think, and obviously like he dies, but I was like,
that's tight, bro.

Speaker 1 (01:00:35):
I was like one of the most iconic figures of
culture of the past, like thirty forty years is Scarface
and he goes out in a hill like it is taking,
Like they just invent a rule that you were impervious
to the first like forty five bullets when you're the
highest anyone's ever been on cocaine. They're like, yeah, that's
and I think everyone was like, Okay, that makes sense.

(01:00:56):
So yeah, I think there's something there that we've identified.
We'll keep mind, always be standing, always be standing, will
always take a punch, but for at least thirty five
seconds and then we'll fall into a giant fountain and
float face down. But that was fun. Another piece of
information to producer justin let us know that apparently the

(01:01:19):
SIMS video game now like when you hit a certain level,
you can could be a rand game. Yeah you have
to you Stan like, yeah, it just shows you how
that evolution went from like that's not a good thing
to now like it's aspirational. Yeah, what I would do.

Speaker 2 (01:01:38):
For a stand?

Speaker 1 (01:01:41):
And also I wanted to well, we'll have to have
aisha back on. I wanted to dig into, like what
who are the pop culture like icons right now? Like
Drake is mining some weird like sad fuck boy energy
that I feel like I see in a lot of people.
These days. Pete Davidson is like an archetype that was

(01:02:02):
like he spoke into existence or something like that. Like
I see a lot of Davidson's out there around. But
what a fun conversation. We are going to take one
more break. We're gonna come back and we are going
to talk to Christi Yamagucci man And we're back and

(01:02:31):
it's time for us to call up one of you listeners.
It could be anyone right now. We don't know, we
don't know. Let's pick from the from this pile of
submissions and would you look at that easy top hat?

Speaker 2 (01:02:47):
Uh? Is it Christi Yamagucci Mane. Okay, I think we're
gonna call. Let's call Christy.

Speaker 1 (01:02:53):
Get this man on the horn.

Speaker 3 (01:02:55):
Justin please get Christi Yamagucci Mane on the line.

Speaker 2 (01:03:02):
Hello, Oh hey guys, what's up. This is so normal,
This is so organic, This is so not scripted. Wow,
I actually knew it was.

Speaker 1 (01:03:13):
Y'all.

Speaker 7 (01:03:14):
Do you realize that it says the Daily Zeitgeist like
on the caller idea.

Speaker 1 (01:03:19):
Yeah, when we call from the big red phone in
the studio. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I.

Speaker 2 (01:03:23):
Was surprised by that. But thanks for giving me a call.
Christy Yamagucci Mane a k A. Willie. Uh, you said
we could. We're going to use your government name today.

Speaker 3 (01:03:35):
I told you, I you know, I'm more comfortable with
Sir Yamagucci Maine, Sire Yamaguchi Maine Esquire. But I guess
we'll call you Willy today. Thank you for.

Speaker 1 (01:03:45):
Expert of the AKA game. Christy Yamagucci Mane AKA will
feels like it's like brilliantly anti clinat.

Speaker 2 (01:03:53):
It's very it's very lackluster.

Speaker 7 (01:03:56):
It's like when you find out like John Wayne's real
name or some shit, you know, like like some some
really cool stage name and then you find out their
real name is Bob or something.

Speaker 1 (01:04:06):
Yeah, what was this?

Speaker 2 (01:04:07):
Oh oh yeah, Marion, Robert Morrison.

Speaker 1 (01:04:10):
Yeah, John Way, that explained so much about him.

Speaker 2 (01:04:13):
Doesn't have the same gusto as John Wayne.

Speaker 7 (01:04:16):
In my mind, it's a cool name on its own.

Speaker 1 (01:04:19):
Yeah, shout out Marian though. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:04:21):
But yeah, man, we wanted to talk to you, obviously,
because we're asking our listeners. We wanted to hear from
people with interesting jobs. I know you like from the
what you post. You wear many hats And when we
were talking before, I was like, well, you hit us
up about a your work out of car dealership, your
time as a repo man, your time as a wedding

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efficient which like car lot and wedding efficient are your
two primary occupations.

Speaker 7 (01:04:49):
Before before you get me canceled or anything, I was
the repo guy for like a year and a half,
a long time ago. Damn yer, seventeen years ago. Now.

Speaker 2 (01:05:00):
Yes, I do wear many hats. I'm a bald boy
like you, Miles. I gotta keep the people the sun
off of it, you know.

Speaker 7 (01:05:07):
But yeah, for the past thirteen years or so, I've
worked at a car dealership detailed cars, just full recon Basically,
if you trade your car in, it goes through me.
I do everything to the car that needs to be done,
unless it's like heavy duty paint work and body work,
then we.

Speaker 2 (01:05:22):
Have an in house body guy.

Speaker 7 (01:05:24):
But yeah, I basically try to make your car look
as good as new before we stick it back on
our lot so we can get as much money for
it and ruin everybody's ability to go buy cars right
now because the market is absolutely stupid.

Speaker 1 (01:05:38):
Yeah, use cars. Yes.

Speaker 7 (01:05:39):
So in addition to that, I've been a wedding efficiant.
I think this is let me do them. This is
gonna be the seventeenth year I'm coming up on having
done weddings. So a friend of mine, good friend of
mine that I went to high school with, he was
getting married and he asked me to be the efficiant
because of my beard, literally because of my beard.

Speaker 2 (01:06:03):
That was I swear to God that was.

Speaker 1 (01:06:06):
Something.

Speaker 2 (01:06:06):
No, it was, it was not that.

Speaker 7 (01:06:08):
It was just basically they they went and got the
marriage license ahead of time and got married actually in
a coffee shop that they met in. They they actually
exchanged the legal vows, and then when they did the
wedding for their friends and family in downtown Wilmington, they
had me be the officiant. But they were like, yeah,
your beard looks official. Well we want you to do it.

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We want you to stand up there. So that's why
they asked me. And you know, I've always played music.
I've always been you know, I love a good karaoke night.
I don't mind having a microphone in my hand and
being in front of people, and so it kind of
was just a natural pairing. I kept after after I
did that first one, I kept having people ask me

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about about doing theirs, and then that branch.

Speaker 1 (01:06:54):
Murmur throughout the wedding, people being like, damn, look at
that guy's beard. We got to remarry exactly.

Speaker 7 (01:07:01):
We need to do a vow renewal, we need to
do a commitment ceremony.

Speaker 2 (01:07:05):
We got to have this guy do this for us.

Speaker 7 (01:07:07):
But uh, yeah, that's uh, that's essentially what happened is
my friends. You know that that wave of friends you
have in there in your mid twenties, that everybody starts
getting married, and suddenly they all had somebody that they
knew that they had a personal relationship with that was
willing to do it. And so I went and got

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ordained and like made sure all the paperwork was squared away,
and uh and there you go. It's just non stopped
since then. And it's it's my side gig, as most
millennials have one of those these these days. I do
the car dealership five days a week, you know, it's
kind of like bankers hours, and then on the weekends
or in the evenings during the summertime, especially when people

(01:07:50):
are eloping down here. I live at the beach, so
it's a it's blown up as far as a wedding destination.
Over the past, however, many years I stay as busy
with it as I want to turn down just as
many weddings as I accept. At this point, and I'm
at about forty forty five weddings a year, I'd.

Speaker 1 (01:08:05):
Say, holy shit, And do you ever just like kind
of they happen upon two people who look like they're
in love and you're like, hey, you know what I
do for a living.

Speaker 2 (01:08:14):
Here's my car? Yeah, so y'all on Twitter? Uh So
I have.

Speaker 7 (01:08:19):
I have jokingly said that to people that I've met
who I know are on a date or something. You know, Hey,
just if you ever need my services in the future,
you know, and drop my name to them.

Speaker 2 (01:08:30):
So yeah, yeah, I kind of have done that.

Speaker 3 (01:08:33):
So what would you say, in your infinite wisdom of
doing all these weddings? What kind of what kind of
advice do you offer people from your efficient perspective, Like
what do you see couples get wrong? Or what what
do you wish people knew going into planning a ceremony
to just to give a little insider tips wisdom.

Speaker 7 (01:08:49):
If you're going to have a friend do your ceremony,
make sure the efficiant gets out of the way for
the kiss.

Speaker 2 (01:08:56):
Oh yeah, that is the number one.

Speaker 7 (01:08:58):
Thing that I steak that I see couples do are
mistakes made at couple of ceremonies who have like a
friend of the family or a relative of theirs, that
they want to perform the ceremony to go.

Speaker 1 (01:09:10):
Face in between and take a kiss on either cheek.

Speaker 2 (01:09:13):
Yes, that's exactly like a surprise me. It happened to
me one time early on.

Speaker 7 (01:09:20):
My big stupid face was right smack dab in the
middle of the of all of their kisses the frame,
and I was you looked horny and it was uncontrollably horny.

Speaker 2 (01:09:33):
My hand was on both of their asses. That did
not help, did not beat those allegations.

Speaker 7 (01:09:39):
But yeah, that is the number one thing I would
say is always remember when when your your guests are
standing for the bride to come in, always have the
officiant tell them to sit down, and always remember to
step out of the way when you say, uh, ladies
and gentlemen, friends of family, it's my unique honor of
privilege to present you for the very first time his
husband and wife. Mister and missus, you may kiss your bride.

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You get out of the way of all the photos.

Speaker 1 (01:10:05):
Any anything from the repo mandates or from car detailing
like anything. That is an easy way to spruce up
your car and make it look like it's brand new.

Speaker 7 (01:10:15):
So I would say some advice I would give you
is if your car shopping, there are some very easy
giveaways to find it. First of all, the carfax thing
that you see on windshields, it's all bullshit, like, don't
don't listen to them when they say, oh, it's got
a clean carfax, you have no idea. A very easy
way of uh, there's you can go online and see

(01:10:38):
what I'm talking about. But there are clues as far
as what the paint looks like what's called the orange peel,
which is the texture of the on two stage paint.
You've got your base and then you've got your clear
and the base is going to have this like texture
to it. And if that texture is wildly different from
the other paint, even if it matches pretty close in color,

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that's a strong almost like one hundred percent sign that
there's been body work done to those panels, so you
know it's at least been in a wreck. So then
you need to definitely have it inspected by an outside
mechanic and say, hey, pretty sure there's been damage on
this quarter panel right here or this back bumper. Can
you just take a look at the frame, make sure,
you know, spend the few bucks if you're in the

(01:11:22):
market for something.

Speaker 2 (01:11:23):
That's what I would say.

Speaker 7 (01:11:24):
As far as driving crazy stuff that I've found on
the car lot, I mean, I've found just not I
found electronics. You know, we found iPods and iPads and
cell phones and stuff like that, but that just the
typical stuff that people forget in their cars when they
go to trade them in. Found money and there before,

(01:11:47):
like wads of cash hidden in like little compartments, but
nothing crazy good, you know, no serious drugs that I
could have flipped and made any money off of, you know.

Speaker 1 (01:11:57):
Right, I feel like that's good advice just in general.
Is like I'm always way more confident that I'm going
to remember where I hid something and that I hid
something exactly like, well, gotta be safe, so I'm gonna
put this thing like a in a side panel.

Speaker 7 (01:12:13):
We're not We're actually not very different from the squirrels,
Isn't that the whole thing? They like, they hide stuff everywhere,
and then that's how trees.

Speaker 1 (01:12:19):
Grew because they find.

Speaker 7 (01:12:22):
Yeah, they can't remember that shit from the repoing days.
So again I have to reiterate, I'm not this person anymore.
Don't don't cancel me. I didn't have the class for
the Democratic Party.

Speaker 2 (01:12:36):
Okay, you know, fucking we row exactly exactly. Me and
Miles are on the same page.

Speaker 7 (01:12:41):
He worked for the Democratic Party, and I used to
legally steal people's cars.

Speaker 3 (01:12:45):
Okay, wait, break down, break down though the repo the
connection between like in your specific situation you were telling
me earlier about like the business of this car a
lot and where you come in as a as a
repo person.

Speaker 7 (01:12:59):
So the economics of this specific car lot, this car
lot had like a bad reput still does, it's still around,
They're still wildly successful. And this was again like seventeen
years ago, I think, going on, I was around twenty
years old that I repod. But essentially when you would go,
you know, you see tho these little rock lots and

(01:13:19):
it has like you know, twenty two hundred dollars down,
thirty five hundred dollars down, drive off the day, right,
that's all the money they have in it. So the
moment you make that down payment and you drive off,
they have broken even so any payments you make after
that it's just profit. It is just money, is just
gravy from them on then of course the financing, you

(01:13:40):
know that they it's it's not just the payment, but
they're making money off of the financing. And there was
one of those buy here, pay here situations. And so
if you got your car repod, if you stopped making
payments and you got your car repode, you either showed
up the next day or the next few days and
caught all the payments up, which again is just pure profit.

(01:14:00):
They just turned around and sold the car again. They
still held the title, so they they were selling the
same car over and over like on multiple occasions where
people would would buy a ride, not not make the
payments after a few months, and then they would they would,
you know, we'd find it, bring it back. They would
clean it up, you know, maybe pay like a small

(01:14:22):
detail fee to someone and then stick it back on
the lot.

Speaker 3 (01:14:25):
Wait, how would you take the car like with the
tow truck or did you you were like bust.

Speaker 7 (01:14:28):
So if there was a towards the end of the
time that I was doing it, he did get a
snatch struck one of those that asked, you know, the
little boom arm on the back of it goes under
the front wheels, you lift it up, make sure, you know,
you crawl underneath that, make sure it's in gear.

Speaker 2 (01:14:43):
For the most part, though, we would get keys cut
so we would pay.

Speaker 7 (01:14:46):
We would go like, say you drive a Mazda, Yeah,
we would take the ven number, go to the Mazda dealership,
give it to them, and they could cut a key
based on that ven number.

Speaker 2 (01:14:57):
So then you're just riding around. You've got the file.

Speaker 7 (01:15:00):
You know what their references are, you know where to
look for the car, because if it's not parked their address,
if they're trying to hide it. A lot of times
it would be at one of the three references that
they would put down on the application to buy a car,
So then we would if we found it, we we
just wrote around. The guy I worked for, his name
was he drove this this Fleetwood Cadillac, you know, like

(01:15:21):
like villain ass looking car, right.

Speaker 2 (01:15:24):
And so we would we would scope it.

Speaker 7 (01:15:26):
Out and we did not want any confrontation because it's
dangerous as hell, you know, you those those from the
yeah in their mind exactly that that uh that lizard
lick toeing shit like it's it's not. It's not like
that at all those reality shows that you see. We
would scope it out and we would repo from like
ten o'clock at night to three o'clock in the morning,

(01:15:48):
and then either I was driving the getaway car, I
was driving the Cadillac, or I would walk up, you know,
make sure there's no lights on in the house, nobody's
moving around, and then it's just a mad dash to
opening the car up, opening an alarm doesn't go off,
hopping in, cranking it up, and peeling out essentially, and
again I have to reiterate, it is the funnest job

(01:16:11):
I've ever had.

Speaker 2 (01:16:12):
I hate that fact. I hate it. I hate it
right right, But there's something about it. Yeah, you're like,
you're twenty years old.

Speaker 1 (01:16:19):
Cart, Yes, you're.

Speaker 7 (01:16:21):
Twenty years old, and you're not in trouble for stealing cars.
You get to, you know, go out late at night
and and like you said, steal cars. It's unfortunately it
was a blast, man.

Speaker 1 (01:16:36):
But then yeah, you kind of come around.

Speaker 3 (01:16:38):
You're like the economics of it too, It's like it's
a wild how predatory it is to the pot. Huh,
this is the best business you bring them in because
you say you can pay with you can bring virtually
nothing down, I get the financing deal. Then when they
inevitably can't pay, I just rinse and repeat with the
same vehicle. Baby, Like wow, I'm like that's when I'm like,

(01:16:58):
that's I always like want about lots like that in
the business dynamics of it, and like that makes perfect sense.

Speaker 2 (01:17:04):
And I can't think of something more American than that, too,
right right, I kind of wonder too.

Speaker 7 (01:17:08):
I've I've caught up with the guy that I worked
with at the time. It was a very weird dynamic
because I saw him show like empathy to a lot
of the clients that he whose car he was looking for.

Speaker 2 (01:17:21):
There was a few instances.

Speaker 7 (01:17:22):
Where they were older people that got behind on their
payments and he refused to repoe their cars, like genuinely
refused to take them. And he would we got on
this this cycle where we would stop buy a few
people's homes. He would take their payment for them because
this was again this was before you could pay online

(01:17:42):
or anything like that, and he would literally bring their
payment back to the dealership to keep them out of
trouble with you know, with with the lot. And so
I actually found out. Years later, he got out of
the business. I don't think he was built for it
long term. I think he probably had that kind of
eventually you know, eventual awakening.

Speaker 1 (01:18:05):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:18:05):
Yeah.

Speaker 7 (01:18:05):
He moved out of town and I think he opened
up like a comic book shop or something there.

Speaker 2 (01:18:09):
You go, so yeah much, you know, opposite ends of
the business spectrum.

Speaker 3 (01:18:14):
I feel like, and I think, because you ord the
repo man, you got to give us the zeitganga tip man.
If you're behind on your payments, how to fuck you
hide your car from the day away.

Speaker 1 (01:18:23):
From those four references.

Speaker 2 (01:18:25):
I guess yes, that that's that's my number one.

Speaker 7 (01:18:28):
My number one thing is always uh like, wherever you
hide it, always back it in because the first thing
they're looking for is the license plate number. But don't
park it at your house and any of the references
that you put down, do not do not park it there.
Mike had another thing which I don't know how you
avoid this really.

Speaker 2 (01:18:48):
He had if he.

Speaker 7 (01:18:50):
Knew a car was like going to be in a
general area, he had people from like Dominoes and pizza
hut and delivery places. If they spot he would give
them a finder's fee. Wow, and we're talking like fifty bucks.
And this was like two thousand and three, two thousand
and four, so it's like a nice little chunk of change.

Speaker 2 (01:19:09):
And so he had like he had like spies everywhere
and ship. It is pretty wild.

Speaker 7 (01:19:13):
But we got chased by one guy one time. We
repolled his escalade and he jumped in another car and
took off after us, and it was a wild ass
chase down this two lane. Yeah, essentially, until called the
off duty sheriff's department number and they set up like
a roadblock into downtown where we were headed and uh

(01:19:35):
and so we flew through it, and then this guy
like the they pulled in after him, and uh and
and the next day he came down and called his
payments up.

Speaker 2 (01:19:44):
And so it was.

Speaker 1 (01:19:46):
It was.

Speaker 2 (01:19:46):
It was a wild, wild couple of days for that guy.

Speaker 1 (01:19:49):
But yeah, he might not have even known that you
were repalling.

Speaker 2 (01:19:52):
That's exactly right, that's exactly right.

Speaker 7 (01:19:55):
Like he he genuinely just thought that his car got stolen.
And we're trying to avoid confrontation as much as you know,
you don't want to open up a dialogue there with
it when you don't know what somebody's got, you know,
behind their back when when you're on their property. And
then another time we had a guy he had a
truck in a ditch in his front yard. It was

(01:20:16):
the truck we were looking for, and knocked on the
door and he told us to fuck off, And so
we were waiting. We didn't have a tow truck at
the time. We were waiting on another guy. So we're
sitting in this food line parking lot, this grocery store
parking lot, and all of a sudden, we get surrounded
by cops, like seven or eight car Sheriff's deputies.

Speaker 2 (01:20:35):
They all draw their weapons.

Speaker 7 (01:20:37):
You know, they weren't completely aiming them at us, but
we get up with our hands up and starts explaining.
You know, basically, the guy whose car we were trying
to repo, he called the Sheriff's department and said that
we were threatening him with guns and baseball bats, which
we didn't carry any weapons on us. You know, it's

(01:20:57):
just a recipe for disaster. It's going to escalate things
into a bad area. So yeah, he explained it to him,
and they all put their weapons down and and let
us go.

Speaker 3 (01:21:06):
And You're like, no, I'm doing this on behalf of
a car lot company. Oh oh of course, Well then
please on the on the degrees of awfulness.

Speaker 7 (01:21:18):
I feel like we were not very high above the
Sheriff's department, but just slightly, just that I wasn't a
full on cop in that situation.

Speaker 3 (01:21:28):
Right, because like it is like you're in that group
of people who can like legally steal someone ship.

Speaker 2 (01:21:34):
It's like, I'm sorry, man, Miles used to be a hoodlum.
I know it.

Speaker 7 (01:21:38):
You said, Jackie used to hang out the sewers of
Kentucky or wherever Ohio.

Speaker 2 (01:21:45):
Yeah, yeah, the Hallmark store. We know about that. Yeah,
Hallmark Store. Yes, how could I have forgotten? You almost
got you?

Speaker 7 (01:21:55):
Uh, it's a blast. Doing bad ship is so much fun.
That's why people, I mean, if it's not a crime
of like needing to feed yourself or something, it's just
fun doing fucked up ship.

Speaker 1 (01:22:08):
Unfortunately it sucks, right, Yeah, that that's never the explanation given,
like in law and Order when they're like why'd you
do it? Son, and it's like I was fucked up?
They're never like, yo, it was fun as.

Speaker 2 (01:22:24):
Fun as ship.

Speaker 1 (01:22:24):
Man.

Speaker 2 (01:22:25):
It's an adrenaline rush.

Speaker 7 (01:22:26):
Yeah, you know, people some people skydive and and uh,
some people you know, do motocross or whatever ship and
some people repoke cars.

Speaker 1 (01:22:35):
I guess yeah, his is better than motocross. Mm hmm.
Absolutely well, Christy, I'm a Gucci man aka Will. Such
a pleasure. Thank you so much for coming through talking
to us about uh that your career. You're you're one
of our favorite listeners and guests to have on the show.
We really appreciate you, man.

Speaker 2 (01:22:55):
It's my pleasures, my pleasure, and this was a was
this a collect call?

Speaker 3 (01:22:59):
Yes, if you could actually just not yeah, cut just
to cut that part out, say that again and say
well actually whytch you take that again, Will, and say
thank you so much.

Speaker 1 (01:23:13):
And I can't wait to foot the bill for this call.

Speaker 2 (01:23:17):
Guys.

Speaker 7 (01:23:17):
It was an absolute pleasure. Thank you so much for
having me. Yeah, it's an honor to be I'm a
two time guest now. I believe two Tiers club, so
two Timers club, and I cannot wait to pay the
long distance bill.

Speaker 1 (01:23:31):
You're such a not that we need to anything, but
it's just good to know that you would.

Speaker 7 (01:23:37):
Of course I insist because this was my pleasure first
and foremost.

Speaker 1 (01:23:42):
So amazing.

Speaker 2 (01:23:43):
Thank you, guys.

Speaker 1 (01:23:44):
I appreciate you all right, that's gonna do it. That's
gonna wrap it up.

Speaker 3 (01:23:48):
Don't leave your car at the places you leave as references,
which feels like kind of obvious, but I get how
people will get lazy. It might be like what ain't
my house and then forget that, Like I think about
that shit all the time, Like how like do I
have people that like the government would have known I'm
friends with because I'm not friends with them on Facebook
type shite?

Speaker 1 (01:24:07):
If you have any expertise on how to like drop
off the grid or evade your debtors, just hit me
up privately. We want to talk about it on the show.
But yeah, just got some things going on. No that
that was super interesting. And you know, crime not only
does crime pay, crime is fun is I think I
can't wait to play this episode for my seven year
old when he when he hits age.

Speaker 3 (01:24:29):
Eight and then show New Jersey Drive. That's right, all right,
but that's gonna do it. You can find me on
Twitter A Jack Underscore, O, Brian, how about you miles
at Miles of Gray wherever there's at symbols go there.

Speaker 1 (01:24:42):
You can find us on Twitter. Daily zeit Geist right,
the Daily Zeitgeist on Instagram, we have Facebook fan page
and a website daily zeit guys dot com. We post
our episodes and our footnote link off to the information
that we talked about in today's episode. Won't really be
happening as much in today's episodes.

Speaker 2 (01:24:59):
But yeah, but there is a song.

Speaker 1 (01:25:01):
There is a song, miles and what is a song
that you think people might enjoy it?

Speaker 3 (01:25:05):
Okay, There's like a duo called Wilma Vritra v r
I t R A and the first track on their
album Grotto.

Speaker 2 (01:25:12):
I was looking this album Grotto.

Speaker 3 (01:25:13):
The first track just blew me away. It's called find
an Hour, and they're like this, like one guy's like
one of the people in the group's of lyricists.

Speaker 1 (01:25:21):
The other's like a multi instrumentalist, and it just got this.

Speaker 3 (01:25:23):
Like very cool, like live hip hop feel but kind
of low fi, spooky sounding, like the recordings very like
sounds very diy in this track, and like great string
arrangement too, which I was telling Jack, I was like,
this feels like when Mary ben Ari, the hip hop violinist,
was like blowing it up in the odds, but like
in a classier way, you know, more like Isaac Hayes

(01:25:45):
type of shit. So anyway, this is Find an Hour
by Wilma Ritra.

Speaker 2 (01:25:50):
I'm getting losing my breath check it out.

Speaker 1 (01:25:53):
Yeah, and I totally got Miles's reference and didn't need
to explain to me at all.

Speaker 7 (01:25:58):
I know.

Speaker 3 (01:25:58):
Look, it reminds me of when Marcel was like, what
kind of fucking Tumblr ass explanation?

Speaker 1 (01:26:02):
I'm like, I'm sorry, I only speak at Tumblr all right. Well,
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Speaker 2 (01:26:19):
Bye bye