The Manosphere (with münecat) 06.11.24

In episode 1690, Jack and Miles are joined by media critic and musician, münecat, to discuss… The Manosphere and more!

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:05):
We've got a bit of an election happening over here
soon too. You might have its. Yeah, it's going to
be an absolute I'm gonna have nine hundred beers that night.

Speaker 2 (00:14):
And you may well have a felon running for president.

Speaker 1 (00:18):
Oh yeah, I mean we he is.

Speaker 3 (00:21):
That's not Chandywood what he ends up doing, where he's.

Speaker 2 (00:25):
Running unprecedented times.

Speaker 1 (00:28):
In the best way possible.

Speaker 3 (00:30):
It's all un president because we just had to come
up with the idea of how cool to do it.

Speaker 1 (00:38):
Anyway, you guys might pick up a thing or two
over there from us to England. Here's a free lesson.

Speaker 3 (00:51):
Hello the Internet, and welcome to Season three, forty two,
Episode two of The Guys, the production of iHeart And
this is a podcast.

Speaker 1 (01:02):
Where we take a deep dive into America share consciousness.

Speaker 3 (01:06):
And it is Tuesday, June eleventh, twenty twenty four.

Speaker 1 (01:10):
Garretty, motherfuckers. It's National Forklift Safety Day. It's National Call
your Doctor Day, is National Making Life Beautiful Day, is
National Germany Child the Cake Day.

Speaker 3 (01:23):
The first three felt the first two at least felt
somewhat related.

Speaker 1 (01:27):
Been Making Life Beautiful Day, and you shot the cake?

Speaker 3 (01:31):
No forklift safety and then call your doctor.

Speaker 1 (01:33):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, but you know, like the
other two Digging Life Beautiful Day, Nah fuck that?

Speaker 4 (01:38):
All right?

Speaker 1 (01:39):
How about this one? It's also you didn't let me finish.
It's also National Corn on the Cob Day. Now that's
probably the best one of them all shot out Corn
on the cop.

Speaker 3 (01:46):
I do love some corn on the cop sweet corn.
We're getting into corn season. It's corn season and America season.

Speaker 1 (01:52):
Baby, you grill it or you boil it.

Speaker 3 (01:54):
Wasn't it like recently National Forklift Operators Day? And then
I feel like a week later they're like, and oh,
that did not go well.

Speaker 1 (02:03):
Let's make a National Forklifts they safety Day. Yeah, not
to do cool tricks on your Yeah, be safe.

Speaker 3 (02:10):
I can spin on the little fork in the front.

Speaker 1 (02:13):
Yeah, like you know how break answers do like windmills
and shit, watch this fork lower it with the wheel boom.
Yeah all right.

Speaker 3 (02:21):
Well my name is Jack O'Brien aka, I'm your hopeful pres.
I'll never be the pres, but I'm your anti vaxer pres.
But really I'm not actually your pres. But I am
Bobby Kenny in the middle of the ballot, who watches
over you. There's a little worm housting your brain. Not
to put too fine a point on it, don't give

(02:43):
this guy the key to atomics. There's a little worm
housting your brain that is courtesy of keV Whatev on
the discord in reference to our third presidential candidate, but
first in all of our hearts and in all of
our brains.

Speaker 1 (03:00):
Yeah, shout out to Kevin whatever. What's that? What song
was that? Bird Housing or Soul?

Speaker 4 (03:06):
Who is that?

Speaker 3 (03:07):
They might be giants? Oh they might not, but I think.

Speaker 1 (03:11):
They might be giants. I'm like, I only know like
they did like Triangle Man and.

Speaker 3 (03:15):
Ship Triangle Man, Triangle Man, and then you don't know,
bird Housing or Soul not a bit of a deep.

Speaker 1 (03:21):
Cut, something culturally did not penetrate the bubble for me. Yeah,
it was that and maybe Malcolm in the Middle theme
song that I knew them from.

Speaker 3 (03:29):
Yeah, yeah, there, and the Mickey Mouse Hot Dog song
that Ship Goes. It was a it's like a song
that from like a Mickey Mouse show my kids were into.
I was like, this song is catchy as fuck, and
then I looked it up and it was by they
might be giants.

Speaker 1 (03:45):
Secretly like this song is catchy. A song fucking goes man.
I can't let my kids know.

Speaker 3 (03:50):
I have to remain detached and unimpressed by their culture.
But anyways, I'm thrilled to be joined as always by
my co host mister.

Speaker 1 (04:00):
Yes it's Miles Gray aka Vulnerable. WHOA. Green is not
a color that is primary? Whoa? It takes me and
yellow to make the green shout out to first Blood
five two two. I did admit, in a moment of vulnerability,

(04:22):
I was being candid. I did not know what the
fucking primary colors were, and I was completely backwards. People
were hitting me on on discord. They're like Bram a
art teacher, and it really hurt to hear you say
that you thought some of these colors would go together.
It was genuinely shocked. I get it. Look, I'm you know,
we all got blind spots. It takes a wise person
to admit what they don't know. I didn't about all

(04:45):
my shits were fucked up.

Speaker 3 (04:46):
Okay, it's it's like a single day in art class,
whether it's elementary school. So it's I can see how
it be super easy to make excuses for me. Man, No, no,
but it's just like so a thing that I think
about so often, like stupidly so not not not a
thing I should be thinking about as often.

Speaker 1 (05:06):
As I do. But yeah, that really fucked me up. Man.
I know a lot. I get it. I get it.
I know I lost a lot of followers. I lost
like three thousand followers.

Speaker 3 (05:16):
Miles Fin Colors, you are thrilled to be joined in
their third seat by a very funny media critic, talented musician,
just all around artists who you know from YouTube, where
her work has been viewed millions of times and hailed
by The New York Times.

Speaker 1 (05:37):
Please welcome, Thank you.

Speaker 2 (05:42):
Am I supposed to sing a song now?

Speaker 1 (05:44):
Yes, you got to your musician. You are duty bound.

Speaker 2 (05:48):
I just didn't Preparis song. I didn't Preparis song.

Speaker 1 (05:51):
I will allow it this once.

Speaker 2 (05:53):
I'm just.

Speaker 1 (05:55):
Watch walking on the moon. Cat, you go, my leg
storm breaks. Yeah see, I brought it all together right there.

Speaker 2 (06:04):
I'm just I'm just not hearing in awe, How on
it you guys are so early in the morning.

Speaker 1 (06:10):
Right now, eleven fifty two.

Speaker 2 (06:13):
That's early in the morning for me.

Speaker 4 (06:15):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (06:15):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (06:15):
We shouldn't be awake right now, frankly, quite frankly, Cat,
we shouldn't be awake right now, and you're welcome.

Speaker 2 (06:23):
Look have lunch yet, and you're on it.

Speaker 1 (06:25):
On it, I have not had lunch yet. Usually, like
as soon as we're done recording, I'm like, I am
fucked inside out.

Speaker 3 (06:33):
I'm so dumb about my food intake, Like I will
let myself get angry hungry and then yeah and then
just be like go on and then finally eat. And
it's like I was holding my breath like that's how hungry.

Speaker 1 (06:45):
I was like, yeah, damn you know that point, like
you were your stomach's empty, and like your breath smells
bad because your stomach's so empty. My breath never smells bad. Well,
ship between.

Speaker 2 (06:56):
Drinking sniff test when I'm about hungry, I probably should.

Speaker 1 (07:03):
I think you're probably responsible enough to probably eat when
it's time to and we're just like just three more
recordings and then I will have twenty pieces of bread
or whatever. But anyway, thank you so much for coming on. Moons.
Can I call you moon cat, moon cat cat?

Speaker 2 (07:19):
Yeah, people call me moon, people call me moon cat.

Speaker 3 (07:22):
Yeah, nobody calls you moons, So I'm just gonna cut.

Speaker 1 (07:25):
That head on.

Speaker 2 (07:26):
No one's ever called me moons.

Speaker 1 (07:28):
No, Like my mouth keeps wanting to do that, but
that's a very I think that's like an American thing,
like throwing that as on Dude Moons. What's up Moon? Yeah,
Moon's came through. Dude Moons came through in the pod.
It was really fantastic. Yeah, but yeah, it's so great
to have you here. Like like I was saying before,
huge fans of your work, so it was really great
to have you on to talk about this topic because

(07:50):
it's Yeah, we just felt like, wait, we like this video,
we love this creator. Let's have a conversation with them,
and everyone wins. Everyone wins because I'm sure many our
listeners are also big fans too. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (08:02):
This is definitely the guest that when I've told people.

Speaker 1 (08:06):
Everyone's like, oh hell yeah really, oh damn, oh damn,
Oh finally listen.

Speaker 3 (08:13):
Oh my gokay, wait on your podcast if you swear yes,
swear down bro in the title and everything. Yeah, swear down, man,
We're gonna have Moon cat all right. Yeah I've been
burnt before. Yeah, I put it in the title that one.

Speaker 1 (08:28):
Yeah. I know. Look, Gavin McGinnis, he's a coward and
he bailed on us. We thought we were gonna have
a great conversation with him about the week.

Speaker 3 (08:35):
But the wrong Gavin McGinnis, and we're sorry.

Speaker 2 (08:40):
I could just be AI. I could just be an
AI version of myself.

Speaker 1 (08:44):
That's right, truly, Yeah, I mean for all we know. Yeah, yeah,
but you showed us your hands. You had five digits.
They didn't look all AI and stuff, so yeah, you
passed the The.

Speaker 3 (08:53):
Writing on your shirt is complete gibberish, but yeah, yeah
it is.

Speaker 1 (08:58):
What's your what do you say?

Speaker 2 (09:01):
It says sleepy head until I'm dead?

Speaker 3 (09:04):
Oh hell, that's actually I guess it's that as I
am a very sleepy boy.

Speaker 2 (09:10):
It has has a little kitten on it. Despite this
brand called Dogcore. The owner of that brand, yeah, the
owner of the brands just emailed me one day and
was like, I love your videos. Let me send you
a lot of free clothes. And I was like, okay, yeah, yeah, yeah,
it's not not affiliated with.

Speaker 3 (09:35):
But yeah, you've you've helped uncover everything from fucking crypto
influencers to most recently, evolutionary psychology. And we wanted to
have you on to talk about your Manosphere video, which
is a favorite of ours, and to really opened my
eyes to a world that I wish I had never

(09:58):
learned about, but I I think is important for our
job covering the zeitgeist.

Speaker 1 (10:03):
It was. It was very kind of enlightening.

Speaker 3 (10:06):
As to what bullshit is happening, but just below the surface.
So we're going to talk to you about that, but
first we do like to get to know our guests
a little bit better by asking you, what is something
either from your search history that is revealing about who
you are or something that you've recently screencapped on your

(10:27):
phone taken a screenshot of that is revealing about.

Speaker 1 (10:29):
Who you are.

Speaker 2 (10:31):
Yeah, So I looked at my Google search history. The
most recent thing was cheat coats for SIMS four. Yeah,
because I've I suffer from migraines sometimes and I've had
I'm better now, thankfully for this, but over the past
couple of days I had an awful migraines. So I've
just used it as an excuse to just play NonStop

(10:52):
video games.

Speaker 1 (10:53):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (10:54):
When I play the SIMS, I don't really I don't
really play it in a normal way. What I do
is I tend to like build extravagant like cottage homes
and restaurants and things, and I just build and build
and build and build. And then I'll like play the
actual game where the Sims go around doing things for
about five minutes, get born, and then I want to
build something else. Yeah, I just want to like create basically. So,

(11:19):
but the cheat code that I was looking at was
like it was these cheekos to allow you to put
an object wherever you want it to because the normal
game just makes you put an object in a specific place, right,
But with that cheat code, unless you put the object
like wherever you want it. And it also like unlocks
all of the items in the inventory, so you can
just go wild create this, like create whatever you want.

(11:44):
So yeah, that was my last Google search.

Speaker 1 (11:46):
I feel like that's when I first started playing the SIMS.
I like was like a younger. I think I was,
what maybe just in high school getting out of high school,
and I like I wanted a cool apartment, but I
could not afford one, so I built the mansion in
the SIMS. And then I think, didn't you need like
the money cheat back then to be able to have
like the nice speakers? Yeah? Nice raising.

Speaker 2 (12:08):
Yeah, now SIMS has now Simms has like this build mode,
so like people like me can just go wild and
like money is not a thing.

Speaker 1 (12:16):
Oh but back in.

Speaker 2 (12:17):
The day you had to use the risk cheat to
be able to build a mansion, which I did when
I was like seven years old as well.

Speaker 1 (12:23):
Like mother Load, I felt it was the other one
too that you get the credits. Yeah. Yeah, and even
with this sim city, I was doing some version of that. Yes,
and listeners should know.

Speaker 3 (12:33):
I mean this is probably implied and obvious, but anytime
Miles and I are referencing our like lives or your
children or any of those things, we're referencing things that
are happening inside the SIMS.

Speaker 1 (12:43):
Yeah, like that. Absolutely.

Speaker 3 (12:45):
We don't have real significant others.

Speaker 1 (12:48):
Come on, guys, I'm not married in real life. That
would be weird. It's strange.

Speaker 3 (12:56):
What's the what's the what's your favorite creation? The most
saying thing you've ever built in SIMS?

Speaker 2 (13:03):
For I built like my perfect country like cottage house
I have. I have a dream of like having I
don't know, like a little little country home that's just
like out in the middle of nowhere with a little
street stream running next to it. Yeah, yeah, that's what
I That's what I built.

Speaker 1 (13:24):
Is really with the water wheel too, maybe, oh yeah.

Speaker 2 (13:26):
The water wheel absolutely, Yeah, a little bridge as well. Yeah, yeah,
little chicken coop as well.

Speaker 1 (13:34):
Yeah, what is like for someone in England? What is
the ideal place to have that kind of cottage? Like,
where is just out in.

Speaker 2 (13:43):
The country somewhere, Like there's lots of There's there's so
much country area in the UK. It's everywhere in the
outskirts of leads. There's like loads of just country.

Speaker 1 (13:55):
Like where where is the Cotswolds?

Speaker 2 (13:58):
Where is the Cotswolds? To be honest, I'm not sure
that's just a place.

Speaker 1 (14:01):
I hear people in la Be like do you go
to the Copswaks? I think it's in that.

Speaker 2 (14:05):
I think it's in Is it in Cornwall? I'm pretty sure?

Speaker 1 (14:09):
Yeah, let's see it's in southwest England. Uh oh, it's
like north of Swindon. Oh cool. Anyway, good question, Miles.
Now we're geo where I'm gonna show you a random photo.

Speaker 3 (14:27):
It's just going to be us asking you where different
places are in English.

Speaker 1 (14:31):
It what's like the population of Oxford? I know all
we're doing, Yeah, asking questions that don't matter at all.

Speaker 2 (14:44):
I'm awful at all geography things.

Speaker 3 (14:46):
So yeah, no, us two. So this is going to
make a really good content because up. What is something
that you think is underrated?

Speaker 2 (14:55):
Uh, British food. Okay, it's got a reputation of being
very bad and that, like I kind of see why,
but but I think the Sunday roast is overlooked. The
British Sunday roast, and also fish and chips is awesome.

(15:16):
It's just great. Going to a chippy is great. So
I think I don't I don't know why British food
has an overall bad name because those two dishes alone
are great. And I'm vegan as well, so I have
I have to have vegan versions of both of those things.

Speaker 1 (15:32):
But it's roast, then what replaces the roast beef in
a vegan Sunday roast.

Speaker 2 (15:37):
Just like whatever I can find at the supermarket.

Speaker 1 (15:40):
But you have like mash and gravy and.

Speaker 2 (15:42):
Yeah, yeah, so they'll be like yeah, yeah, you can't
get them. They're quite rare though, actually because they're quite
hard to make without egg. But what I'll generally get
is like vegan sausages or something like that, which is
easy to find.

Speaker 1 (15:57):
Full English breakfast too, as I love, Yeah exactly, Yeah,
you gotta know what to like, Like I love Cornish
pasties every time I go to England, one of the
first things as soon as I get off the train,
I'm like, where's the fucking Cornish PASTI shop? Like just
for my handheld food. Yeah, there's so many good things,
but so.

Speaker 2 (16:17):
Many good bits of British food, So don't give it
a bad name.

Speaker 1 (16:21):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (16:21):
Yeah, what do you when other countries think of American food?
Just to turn that I'm uncomfortable with, must we're talking
about America?

Speaker 1 (16:29):
Yeah, at all times.

Speaker 3 (16:30):
No, but because I was just trying to think, like,
is it just like Hamburger?

Speaker 1 (16:35):
Is that it?

Speaker 2 (16:36):
I mean, that's that's what I think of When I
think of American food. I think fast food. I think McDonald's.

Speaker 3 (16:43):
Okay, accurate, So you've got us, you've got us.

Speaker 1 (16:45):
Now.

Speaker 2 (16:46):
I have gone to America a couple of times, but
it was quite a while ago. But yeah, I found
I found the portion sizes definitely to be a lot larger.

Speaker 1 (16:56):
Yeah, they're obscene.

Speaker 2 (16:58):
Yeah, so that that's what I kind of think of,
and like burgers and chips.

Speaker 1 (17:03):
Yeah, you're right.

Speaker 3 (17:04):
So Sunday roast is essentially like a meat with like
roast vegetables on the side, is essentially gravy.

Speaker 2 (17:13):
A lot of gravy.

Speaker 3 (17:14):
Yeah, yeah, okay, So it's like a small Thanksgiving dinner
for Sunday.

Speaker 2 (17:20):
Yeah exactly.

Speaker 1 (17:21):
Yeah, that's great, yeah, hell yeah.

Speaker 3 (17:23):
I love that for for you and and the world.

Speaker 1 (17:27):
Do you want to have a roast Jack? What's up?
Little Sunday roast? Shall we just to live like of
some meat roast a turkey? Exactly once a year, but
it's always pretty good. I feel like I've gotten good
at that. And why make it such a special occasion?
You know, get that brine, get my brine muscles, going

(17:49):
moon cat? What is something you think is overrated?

Speaker 2 (17:51):
People with PhDs? Turns out people people with doctor but
you know, you know the Jordan Peterson's, the you know

(18:14):
those types. I think people look up to people with
PhDs and see them as sort of like bastions of
truth in whatever they want to learn about, when people
don't really realize that academics are very very sort of
biased towards their own views on a subject and all

(18:37):
their PhD does is allow them to sound more educated
in explaining their original opinion. But that's not necessarily the truth.
And I feel like a lot of my videos try
and point this out quite a lot. I feel like
I'm sort of trying to reiterate this all the time
in my videos, Like just because you have a PhD

(18:58):
doesn't mean you're right about this thing. It just means
that you've learned how to how to like talk about
your opinion in a more educated way, with bigger words
and with studies, the backyard kind of thing.

Speaker 3 (19:09):
You're just the best at homework, that's yes, congratulations, toughed
it out for a few more years in school to
have three letters after your name.

Speaker 1 (19:18):
But like, I think there's also for a lot of
people who think like that PhD is almost shorthand for
them to be like, well, when I get to that opinion,
I don't need to and I don't need to look
at this anymore because that person's the expert, and I
don't need to like investigate or analyze anything they're saying,
because PhD rather exactly you know, having any just a
modicum of critical analysis. But hey, now.

Speaker 3 (19:39):
Here on this show we actually usually say this about
the other kind of doctors mds, because they had some
crazy ideas during the pandemic. But we just listened to
the PhDs and the people who claimed to have PhDs,
and they generally steered the plane into the side of

(19:59):
a mountain.

Speaker 1 (20:00):
It was really bad. So yeah, no, yeah, doctor Phil
basically is.

Speaker 3 (20:04):
They really like that was a joke when I was younger,
the idea of like PhDs insisting that they'd be called doctor,
But it really came came back to bite everyone in
the ass during the pandemic when it was like, yeah,
I'm a doctor of sociologic Yeah exactly.

Speaker 4 (20:22):
Yeah, yeah, so.

Speaker 3 (20:23):
You should listen to me when I tell you not
to get vaccinated. All right, Well that is a perfect
transition into the subject of today's episode. We are going
to take a quick break and we'll be right back.

Speaker 1 (20:45):
And we're back, And I mean, where do you start?
Where to start with the Manisphere? Where to start?

Speaker 3 (20:56):
I will say my first question about the Hemisphere was
is why videos so long? All their videos seem to
be at least three hours long?

Speaker 1 (21:06):
What the fuck? And that's the thing that like kept me.

Speaker 3 (21:09):
I wonder if it's a strategy like it kept me out,
But like for the people who have the worm in
their brain that is like desperate for more Manosphere content,
like it just it's a very selective group that makes
it through. I guess not that selective looking at some
of the view counts. But for people with such little

(21:30):
rigor to what they're actually saying, they sure say it
a lot.

Speaker 2 (21:34):
Yeah, and I had to watch a lot of very
long videos.

Speaker 3 (21:39):
I've never been more impressed by, like the level of
research and also more sorry for the person doing that
and watching your.

Speaker 1 (21:48):
Mother it's like, yeah, same, like people who like monitor
the alt right on the show. Yeah, like I know
that because I'm like I'm in all these chat groups. Man,
I'm in all these talm like, oh you poor motherfucker.
I'm so sorry, but thank you, but thank you. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (22:02):
I mean two time speed is a thing on YouTube.

Speaker 3 (22:05):
Yefully it probably you really need to get the nuance,
don't you of what these guys are saying.

Speaker 1 (22:11):
I feel like it's.

Speaker 3 (22:12):
Really you know, it's all very tonal and subtle and nope, no,
it turns out it's not.

Speaker 1 (22:18):
Yeah. The thing that all that struck me first is
like when I think about the Manisphere, like I knew
all these figures like you know, Andrew Tate and Jordan
Peterson and fresh and Fit and like Sneakle, all these
like weirdos who you know are part of this this
whole culture, but like I and I always knew that
it was based on their misogynistic beliefs, but the thing
that really came out on the video from me was

(22:39):
like how much quasi science pseudo science they use to
sort of buttress their arguments, like in this way that
it's not simply it's like dude, Like, chicks, don't you
want to be like a dude anymore? Like they have
Like so no, there's this thing called hypergami man, and that,
like it's really interesting how they use these sort of
academic in odes to then display, you know, to present

(23:02):
their completely like regressive thinking. Like can you just sort
of give just everyone an idea of like those main
sort of pseudoscientific arguments that are laid out to sort
of justify this misogynistic worldview.

Speaker 2 (23:16):
Yeah, well yeah, a lot of it's rooted in evolutionary psychology,
which is why my most recent video decided to delve
into that a bit more. But yeah, their main ones
is like is hypergamy, where they sort of say that
women are wired to want to date men that earn
more than them, and there's like no way that that

(23:38):
could be programmed out of for them, it's just innate
and feminism is just tricking them into thinking that they're
not like that, but really they are like that, right, yeah,
and yes, and then'll also talk about how rape culture
is a myth and they'll use like cherry picked studies

(23:59):
to try and that as well.

Speaker 1 (24:01):
Right.

Speaker 2 (24:01):
And also they'll say that that even when it comes
to domestic violence, they'll say that women are more violent
towards men than men are towards women, and they'll use
cherry picks studies to to supposedly prove that. And they'll
also they'll say things like the gene of wage gap
is a myth as well, and they'll cherry pick certain

(24:23):
studies to try and prove that as well.

Speaker 1 (24:25):
So yeah, yeah, it's always striking how these like sort
of these backwards ways of thinking, they're always they always
find a way to be like that thing that is
reality is actually not true, and here's this way to
kind of intellectually get yourself out of this way of
thinking or believing that what is happening is actually not
happening and it's actually like a myth. And there's always

(24:46):
this I'm always amazed at the just like the lack
of well, I'm sure we'll get to it. Just like
just how like it feels like a lot of these
ideologies they prop up when the like sort of like
the logic of their beliefs hit a dead end, like
like like being a man was supposed to be enough,
you know, and I'm just I just exist, but things aren't.

(25:08):
I'm not I'm not experiencing all these things I see
on television or the things that I believed I am. So, now, well,
what does that mean? Oh, it's that everything else is
fucked up. There's nothing I need to do to change.
Let me now, like, let me stay sort of fixed
in my belief and then begin to explain why everything
else is not the issue or everything else is the issue,

(25:29):
rather than like how I'm interacting with the world.

Speaker 2 (25:32):
Yeah, it basically like whenever before I investigated the manosphere,
I investigated quite a few different like scams, like sort
of property investment scams and multi level marketing schemes and
stuff like that, and I found that it definitely worked
in much the same way as many scams, in the
way that it would sort of target people and it
would reel in people who definitely felt a bit lost

(25:56):
in life and just were looking for, you know, like
something else to blame it on and we're offering a
way out of that via paying who is ever whoever
this influencer was for a course or whatever. So, yeah,
the ministery were definitely real in men who sort of

(26:16):
feel like they don't have a purpose in life. And
I guess in the past, your purpose would have been
more easily been like, oh, I'm a man, therefore my
purpose is to provide for a woman and for children,
Whereas it's not that easy anymore, just to have a
purpose based on your gender. It's not that simple anymore.

(26:37):
So I think a lot of men they do feel
a bit lost in life. And it's not you know,
because of their gender. It's probably because of like capitalism,
but they want to but they're looking to the pastern
and they're thinking, well, in the past, I would have
had this purpose, you know, to be a man, and
I would have been given a wife, you know, by someone,
and that would have been me and that would have

(26:57):
been my life. But now I don't know what to do.
It's everybody else's fault kind of thing, right.

Speaker 1 (27:02):
I preferred middle stage capitalism, Yeah, exactly, that's when things
were great.

Speaker 3 (27:09):
Their their version of the past is also a wildly
inaccurate version of what that time.

Speaker 2 (27:14):
Oh yeah, they liked it. They like to say that
women were happy in the nineteen fifties.

Speaker 3 (27:19):
They absolutely were were happy.

Speaker 2 (27:21):
They were all on drugs. Housewives were on drugs, right, yeah, lots.

Speaker 1 (27:25):
Of the time. Yeah, we were just talking recent but
like you know, the Stepford Wives being a commentary on
that era of like just being so medicated that it
was completely like not like dulling the senses of like
a generation of women. But yeah, but now it's actually
feminism that has created this unhappiness and now we're dealing
with the fallout of that. Dude. Yeah, yeah, they their

(27:47):
feminist shit.

Speaker 3 (27:48):
In fact, the actual like details of the people that
we meet in the video, like the fresh and Fit,
well I was not familiar. Is that the name of
the show where they just like get women drunk and
then explain women to women?

Speaker 1 (28:06):
Yeah, they don't.

Speaker 2 (28:08):
They don't let them talk back, and if they do
try and talk about they just kick them out of
the podcast, supposedly beating them in the marketplace of ideas.

Speaker 3 (28:15):
Right, It's amazing, Like I've never seen someone like people
be more infuriating to somebody else, like just try like
the things that they're saying about women, like the most dismissive,
diminishing things. And then if in the off chance, like
one episode out of many, like the women can't take

(28:37):
it anymore and get angry, then the men are like, oh,
you're just sensitive while being the most thin skinned creatures
so emotional, get so emotional or anyone just like talking
back to them.

Speaker 1 (28:53):
It's it's so wild you put it out how like
obviously you know people say this so much, especially in
the US, like are you just in your feelings? Just
in your feelings now? And then when they get caught out,
it's like, no, I'm having a fact response, an emotional response,
having a fact based response like.

Speaker 2 (29:10):
Oh man, I forgot about that quote. That was hilarious.

Speaker 1 (29:13):
The fact response is like, holy shit, man, the amount
of mental gymnastics they got to do on that cognitive dissonance.
It's it's it's wild. It's truly wild. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (29:24):
That's why in my most recent video, I just dedicated
a whole part of the video to facts versus feelings
and how no one's only going off facts, absolutely, no
one is. Every everybody has feelings and everybody's acting upon
feelings and emotions. You can't escape them because if you
if you did escape your emotions, then your brain wouldn't work,

(29:44):
it would it would just short circuit.

Speaker 1 (29:48):
Yeah, there is such a fear of feelings, clearly from
all of these men. Yeah what I mean, which is
why there has to be an emphasis on fact rather
than like, I'm actually having feelings of terrible inadequacy. Yeah, no, dude,
the facts are it's fucking hypergamy, man, and fucking eighty
percent of the win. There's only twenty percent of the
women available to the other eighty percent of men that

(30:10):
are out there, because they're all going for the top
twenty percent. So that's like we're already dealing. So the
way they have to set all of this shit up,
it's really it's really fucking I mean, it makes sense
because right, we're so averse to picking apart our egos
or things like that, or bringing any self awareness to
that that this is such a convenient way to avoid

(30:30):
any kind of introspection or self critique because those are
actual those are those things are actually by default like
impossible within the manosphere. Like I don't see many people
being like, man, you gotta sit down, take an inventory
of kind of what you're feeling, maybe how things from
your past may relate to this now. It's always just like, no,
let me externalize everything everything is happening outside of me,

(30:53):
because I'm fine, but the world has gone fucking mad
and now I just need to learn how to navigate
that with my macho shit.

Speaker 2 (30:59):
Yeah, which which kind of goes against the whole right
wing perspective of individualism in a way. Doesn't it just
like blaming everything around you.

Speaker 3 (31:08):
Yeah, those are facts and they have nothing to do
with my feelings. Okay, So I had never heard of
Fresh and Fit or like a lot of the people covered.
I did know Jordan Peterson pretty well at first point.
He's a friend, and I think you were unfaird No.
He like the degree to which he has crossed over

(31:32):
is kind of staggering when you when you look at
like what he's saying, and I mean hYP hypergamy is
that we're calling what he's calling it. Women are like
these domesticated animals who just like can't help but like

(31:54):
respond to these instincts that make them find you repulse.
It's like the psychological shit they're all going through, like
so many of the videos. I think you said at
one point come down to how ugly do women find me?

Speaker 2 (32:10):
Yeah, they're obsessed with like hierarchies, though they really want
to put themselves on this hierarchy of how attractive they
think they are to every woman, Like every woman is
looking at a man and thinking, so, no, ten, they're not.
They're They're extremely subjective in how they find a man,
how attractive they find a man to be right Whereas

(32:31):
But but they're looking at women and thinking five, six
of an eight, nine, ten or whatever, and they think
that women are looking at men in the same way.
They're absolutely not. Women all have different tastes and most
men do as well, have all different tastes. But they
think that everybody thinks that the way they do in
this very sort of misogynistic way.

Speaker 3 (32:49):
So, yeah, it's why haired chads and some women like
dark haired chads. And that's it exactly. Those are the
two tastes that you need a jaw bone that looks
like an upside down football helmet.

Speaker 2 (33:03):
Yeah, the perfect mandibular angle is what all women are
looking for us.

Speaker 1 (33:08):
But what do you like?

Speaker 3 (33:10):
Who would you say is the most kind of dangerous
of these people who you've who you've.

Speaker 2 (33:17):
Encountered the most dangerous person in the manisphere.

Speaker 3 (33:21):
Yeah, by the way, they are going to release a
video after they're saying with that I'm the most dangerous person.

Speaker 2 (33:32):
I would say probably Jordan Peterson because he's got the
widest reach. He's got that whole PhD, I know what
I'm talking about thing going on. They all look up
to him. Like when I made my manusphere video, so
many people in the comments were like, Jordan Peterson isn't
a part of the manusphere. He absolutely is. He's like
the king of the Manisphere. So yeah, i'd probably say

(33:54):
him just because he's got the most reach, in the.

Speaker 1 (33:56):
Most influence, and he's being embraced by political figures. I
think that's what also makes it especially dangerous. I mean, like,
you know, Andrew Tate is obviously like a scumbag and
Viole and has is like a danger to society, But
like the level to which Jordan Peterson has sort of
been you know, nodded to, or like his ideas end
up kind of like bleeding into like right wing yeah,

(34:19):
sort of poltical speech and things like that. Yeah, I
definitely see that because it's again it's that PhD, that
sort of takes it from Yeah, this isn't a guy
wearing a fuzzy hat and a feather boa and giant sunglasses.
This is a fucking PhD. Okay, they're saying the same thing,
but the fact that the PhD is saying, I'm gonna
give that some more weight.

Speaker 2 (34:39):
Yeah, Andrew Tate is also dangerous, but he's dangerous in
a much different way. But like he he only really
I think most of the guys sort of into Manisphere
ideas kind of look at Andrew Tait and think he's
a bit of an idiot. So I think his I
think his reaches is a lot. It's a lot less
widespread than Jordan Peterson's, and I think, like, especially since

(35:00):
the whole trafficking allegations, I think he Yeah, he will
say the opposite publicly. He will say that it's only
improved his reach, but I think it has actually diminished
diminished his reach a little bit because there are there
are actually some guys in the Manisphere who are like,
you know, I wouldn't go so far as to traffic
women actually, so maybe he is so great jokes.

Speaker 1 (35:20):
About it, but I will engage in the traffic. Yeah,
that's a bridge too. Far, I will make people believe
that I'm saying it not as a you know, winkie way,
but yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 3 (35:31):
I mean he's not the only person who has like
bragged about committing assaults and you know, sexual violence in
in this world like that. That was kind of shocking
to me how many of these guys are actually saying
that they're doing horrifying things like in the videos, like.

Speaker 1 (35:53):
Yeah, yeah, that's how you kind of see like the
evolution of it starts off with a like keep your
room clean if you want to track a woman, and
then turns into like why rape culture is vaporware, it's fake,
it's nonsense, and it gets more and more you know, violent,
and yeah, it's really what. The thing that really struck
me too is this kind of like it's so weird

(36:16):
how these Manisphere figures who are like selling a course
or whatever talk about the benefits of this mindset, of
this mindset because all of their materials they use to
sell these courses read like this fucking bizarro utopia in
some nineties movie about being the coolest guy ever. And

(36:36):
you put this out in your video about the seduction
devil and his course, and like what he's prompt like,
this is what he's promising people. Okay, And I thought
this is really eye opening from your video and this
is from a Manisphere course. It's like ninety seven bucks
or some shit. And it says in just one week
across the court, it wasn't in seven In just one week.

(37:00):
After getting inside, you'll find yourself quote skipping the line
at bars and clubs, high fiving the bouncers and befriending
the staff, okay, attracting nines and tens effortlessly without saying
a word word holy shit, Entering a cafe with your
new girl, receiving a warm welcome, and discovering that your

(37:23):
regular has already been prepared.

Speaker 3 (37:27):
Oh my god, hey Jack, the regular, all right, I
already had it here for you.

Speaker 1 (37:32):
Whoa baller? Who's that another one on your arm? All right?

Speaker 3 (37:35):
That can't be my man?

Speaker 1 (37:37):
Hey, hi five. This fucking world doesn't even exist, not
even for people who they would even think are that cool.
But it's it's interesting to see how this like whatever,
their lack of meaningful social interactions or what they believe
they want to be, has created this like version of
what they think is truly like. What like is what

(37:57):
they're just sort of telling on themselves. It's like, so
your fantasy is to walk into a cafe with your
new girl and someone's like your regular, your ice, your
milk with ice is ready? Okay, you drink milk? Yeah,
out of I drink half and half with some little
bit of ice on the rocks.

Speaker 2 (38:19):
Yeah. It did kind of remind me of like how
the crypto scams work in a way. I don't know
if you remember from my crypto video, the whole Crypto
land where they were like, oh you could, you could
move to this special island where everybody just trades with
cryptocurrency and and we have communal working spaces and everybody's

(38:44):
going to have a lambow, and but the whole thing
was just so it was just, yeah, an absolute fantasy
based on crypto. It's not realistic at all.

Speaker 3 (38:54):
But it's so depressing that their vision of utopia is
being beloved by service andes like that they like walk
in and like everyone at Starbucks is like Yay's like
it's just such an interesting like snapshot of like just dead,

(39:14):
soulless and end stage capitalism where they're like and then
I'm gonna walk in and instead of treating me like
I'm just there to spend money. They're gonna really love
me and they're the bouncer is gonna be like rules
don't apply to you because.

Speaker 1 (39:33):
They no smoking in here. Oh wait, it's you, hey man,
spark up, dude, you're the best. It's like, what were
you not hearing enough in your life that created this version.
But again, I think it says a lot because a
lot of people they are lacking this, so they do
just like, oh my god, I would love nothing more
than to passively attract a partner without having to do

(39:55):
any work or any effort, or to have the fear
of failure of being rejected. I'd rather I feel like
a human. Yeah, yeah, exactly. I'm such a fucking baller
that my aura is enough to bring all the boys
or women or whoever non bindary people to the yard.
But I feeling for this it's mostly head dudes looking
for women. But like, you know, we talk a lot

(40:15):
about deaths of despair, you know, and how they're rising,
especially here in the United States, and it's clear that
like America in this late stage capitalism era we're in
is like unraveling, and there's like a cruel irony that
like all of this manisphere shit is like almost like this,
it's like a capitalist response to the chaos that has
been sown by capitalism. It's like, rather than in investigating

(40:39):
any of that, it's like, let me sell you something
that is absolute nonsense that will actually send you into
a darker hole. Like you know, if these people were
interested in making things better, there would certainly be some
more again introspection analysis of like the forces that are
shaping the world in which they live. But it's like,
the problem isn't capitalism. It's that women are super vicial

(41:00):
and demanding too much. It's not capitalism, it's immigrants. How
do you sort of see the relationship between the manisphere
and an unwillingness to like engage in anything that is like, what,
what's a solution here? It's because there's really no solution.
It's more like the world's fucked up. This is how
you be more fucked up to the world.

Speaker 2 (41:20):
M yeah, it's I don't I honestly like, I don't
know what the solution is other than trying to sort
of give men a different sort of outlet, because there
definitely is like a problem. I think specifically since the pandemic.
I think everyone, like not just men, are feeling a
lot more lonely right and they've been looking online for

(41:44):
solutions to that, and specifically with the manisphere. This sort
of gateway drug is when you look up videos on
how to talk to women to try and you know,
pick them up or whatever they get, and like when
you click on one of them, I mean that the
algorithm will just take you further and further and further

(42:05):
into the manisphere and until you eventually believe that women
aren't actually sentient beings at all. They're just sort of
programmed to act a certain way. And you'll get to
the pick up artists who will like literally give you
a flow chart and they'll say like it's like a
dialogue tree that you can have with a woman, and
they'll be like, if you say this, this and this

(42:26):
and this, then you'll definitely get her in bed kind
of thing. And it is. It's selling a very sort
of simple, simple solution to this very complex problem of loneliness,
which I think is a genuine problem. And I think
that's exacerbated by dating apps because everybody relies on dating
apps nowadays. And I do sympathize with men on dating

(42:48):
apps because men have a much worse time on dating
apps than women do, although women also do have a
bad time, and that's why they're that's why they're leaving
the apps, which which leaves more men on the apps
than women, and that's why men will swipe right more
on every women that they see and women will swipe
left more because they're expecting. Women are expecting a match

(43:13):
with anyone that they swipe right on right, so that
will make that will cause women to be more picky,
and men are increasingly not expecting a match with whoever
they swipe right on, so that will cause them to
be less picky. And that just happens more and more
and more, and this feedback loop just happens even more
increasingly all the time, until you get like a guy

(43:36):
with barely any matches and a woman with too many
matches and she doesn't know who to go on a
date with, so like both genders are having a really
awful time. But the mistake that the Manisphere makes, and
the sort of that's the excuse that they use to
bring a lot of people in, is to say that
this is like real life now because of feminism. But

(43:57):
they've got no they've got no proof of that other
than dating apps. But dating apps work that way for
a reason because it's not real life because women have
all left. But women haven't left real life. Women still
go into like bars and things, and you can still
like women are still interested in making friend groups, and
so are men. And I think we need to sort

(44:18):
of try and get back to that sort of real
life thing of mingling in friend groups and you know,
making friendships that might turn into something else based on that,
whereas I think nowadays we sort of rely on dating
apps so much that a lot of men in the
manosphere just like think that that's real life and that's.

Speaker 1 (44:39):
Right based on the behaviors that they see or how
things are being sordid.

Speaker 3 (44:43):
Ye, a lot of it seems to be interhuman relations
that are mediated by capitalists. Yeah, the dating apps profiles
or the person who fantasizes about everybody in the bar
who works at the bar liking them, and it just
feels like everyone's turned into a product, Like this is

(45:06):
all part of this weird thing where we're trying to
apply the rules of capitalism, like late stage hypercapitalism to
interactions and then we're like, what happened why is everybody.

Speaker 2 (45:19):
So Yeah, it's like it's the same way that we
ruined sort of like restaurants with all of these food
delivery apps, and it's the same way that we ruined
all of these taxi companies with Uber. It is because
they try to like lays a fair capitalism all of
these all of these companies and all of these industries,
and they try to completely libertarianize them all. And they've

(45:41):
done the same with dating as well. And they've and
then they've sort of realized that, oh, this is this
isn't actually good for people.

Speaker 1 (45:47):
Is it?

Speaker 2 (45:47):
Like doing it like this.

Speaker 3 (45:49):
Let's take one more break and we'll come back and
finish out talking about this.

Speaker 4 (45:52):
We'll be right back, man, We're back.

Speaker 1 (46:05):
Yeah, I was gonna say I was so I had
at my like loneliest I Remember, I had graduated college,
the recession happened, I had gone through like a bad breakup.
I was like completely didn't know what to make sense
of my life because the everything I had been told
about going to university, getting a degree that would land

(46:26):
me a job that would create all this like life
momentum was not happening, and my dating prospects were just
like not great because I was just emotionally in a
terrible place. And I remember getting into pickup artist shit
because I was like, maybe it's that I don't know
how to actually like use the fucking game, like, you know,
I read the game by Neil Strauss, and I was like,

(46:48):
what the fuck, man, this is fucking wild, Like they
they just they just bounced like location to location and
then suddenly like you figured out a way to achieve
like sex or something like that, and so most of
it too us. I realized, like it was just like
even reading that stuff like this doesn't fucking make sense
to me. But what did was that like I was

(47:09):
really sad, you know, I had a deep seated fear
of rejection and I wasn't really able to like come
to grips with that. And the second I was like, wait,
I think I need to go to therapy, Like I
think I need to actually work on myself, I can
like it was sort of the only way for me
to really see through that, because again, shit like pick
up artistry or whatever offers you this really bizarre shortcut

(47:32):
to not be like, oh yeah, dude, it's not that
I'm fucking terribly fucking depressed and I haven't actually sorted
out who I am as a person. Is that I
just need to figure out like what the what the
different ways to like game someone is And and I
think again, like this is why it's always interesting to
see that, like the solution for what so many people

(47:52):
are experiencing is that little bit of being able to
sort of take care of yourself in a way that
is actually is nourishing for like your soul, rather than
kind of listening to some dude preached the like sort
of silver bullet answer. So I always find it really interesting,
Like whenever I see this, I'm like, man, just look inward,
Just fucking look inward. So many things could be answered

(48:15):
if you figure out what those what that dark that
void is within yourself and how to address that, because
if you fill it with this shit, it's just going
to have this like you know, compounding effect where you
end up on like these like really violent like insuls
like groups and like picking up these other really terrible
beliefs that only gonna take you deeper and deeper. So yeah,

(48:37):
that was my brush. That was my brush with pick
up artistry. It was me at my lowest and loneliest
and completely lacking any feelings of self worth. You still
have the Jameric Quie hat. I don't call it Jamiqui, dude,
it's cat in the hat, but pimp cat in the hat. Bro,
it ain't Jamiroqui. It's just washed.

Speaker 2 (48:55):
Okay. But yeah, like when you're at the like sort
of low, at the low, I feel like a lot
of content in the manisphere really really sort of allows
people to self loathe and that can feel kind of
weirdly comforting, like at that level, like just just to
sort of say, oh, I'm I'm like I'm a one

(49:18):
on the attractive scale. That means I will never ever
get a woman kind of thing. And to be sort
of nihilistic in that way, I think is in a
weird way, is kind of comforting to some to some
people who end up in that Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 (49:30):
Because you're like giving it ald what I'm gonna do?
Bring someone back and introduce them to my mom. I'm
twenty two years old, and then I'm like this is there. Yeah,
this is one too. I should have a mansion and
a lamplow by now. But you know what I mean.
But that's like that's the ship that you're fed, right,
You're socialized to be like xyz, then you get a degreemation.
You should have at least a suburban you know what

(49:52):
I mean. But yeah, and you have to and it
takes a second to like reconcile the how you've been
socialized with the reality is and like give yourself a
little bit of grace to be like, yeah, yeah, everyone
is different. Actually it's not a bad thing. But I
always treated that as to be like I can't I
can't go out there living at home, like what I
am going to tell someone? And then you see it's like, dude,

(50:14):
am I like a low value male? So I gotta
step mic. But again it's easy to see how that turned,
like the domino effect can begin for a lot of people.
So yeah, shout out to one of my homegirls who's like,
what are you What are you talking about right now?
I'm like, no, is that?

Speaker 3 (50:29):
Like I just like the thing you have to understand
about me is I'm a low value male like that? Yeah,
there are like little catch there are a bunch of
things in your Maniscer video that it's like, oh right,
anytime someone's talking like putting some of the attractiveness on
a numerical scale, or like talking about differences between men

(50:49):
and women that are like intractable and like species wide
evolutionary psychology, like there are all these things that it's
like uh huh, like this this head's nowhere.

Speaker 1 (51:03):
Good, right, because you're like, I will not be chosen.
That's hardwired into us. Because a woman is looking for
a male that will provide for them. I cannot provide
for them. I live in my mom's yeah, you know,
and then you're immediately.

Speaker 2 (51:16):
But if you pay for their course, you can learn
how to provide, right.

Speaker 1 (51:19):
Yes, exactly. I wish. I wish that was one of
those slugs where it's like, effortlessly bring nines and tens
home and meet and have them meet your mom as
you engage in consensual sex in your childhood bedroom. It's
like I don't think, yeah, I know that's gonna happen,
but you can't. I mean.

Speaker 3 (51:36):
The last thing I just wanted to mention is that
there seems to be a blindness in the mainstream media, Like,
just as it relates to the zeitgeist, when there is
an element of this type of misogyny in you know,
a mass shooter or a you know, a terror attack,
the media will pick up a thread of obviously if

(52:00):
Islam is a motivating factor or white supremacy, even they'll
be willing to like kind of trace that. They will
make up some left wing at a lot of the time,
like it was anti fun, but they really drop the
misogyny like pretty quickly. Like you you're pointing out, like

(52:21):
the massacre in christ Church was I had processed that
as mainly a white supremacist attack, but as you point out,
his manifesto opens with, you know, talking about birth rates
and you know a lot of the ideas that you
see in these sorts of videos.

Speaker 1 (52:39):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (52:39):
Absolutely, it definitely all all crosses crosses like crosses over
with each other, all of it does. Yeah, because like
if you if you start believing in one of these
ideal ideologies, you'll find that a lot of the same
influences will start We'll talk about these other issues as well.
And also if you start thinking about the reasons behind

(53:01):
why all of these things are happening, you'll find that
the only sort of logical narrative you can you can
come to is that it all sort of boils down
to anti Semitism basically, is what it all boils down
to at the end. Of the day, and you if
you're not blaming something on capitalism, if you if you

(53:21):
follow the logic of of misogyny or with racism, or
with or with any of that, it's it's a very convoluted,
unrealistic conspiracy theory that they will that they will use.
But I don't know, it's like this, it's like this
kind of unwillingness to blame capitalism for anything that that

(53:41):
leads people to go down that path instead. And I
don't know if it's like an unwillingness to maybe admit
that you were wrong because your logic doesn't make any
narrative sense that so you had to end up with
anti semitism. But yeah, it's it's it's all under that base,
like he's hold under that umbrella.

Speaker 1 (54:02):
Yeah, yeah, yeah. The lack of critique. Really it's like again,
it's like falling into these it's just because you're looking
for like sort of like a psycho emotional like shelter
for your terrible beliefs. It's like, I don't hate women.
It's actually that I'm just a man navigating a world
filled with hypergamy. The trust me, they're the problem. I

(54:23):
don't hate women. They hate themselves because of feminism. It's like,
do I I don't hate immigrants. It's actually, I'm living
in a world where we're dealing with serious issues around
falling birth rates in the future of democracy, if you know,
immigrants are allowed to come in and completely reshape the electorate.
It's like there's always going to be a place for
people to learn why their shit beliefs are justified. And

(54:46):
I think that's why it's so intoxicating, because again it's like, look, man,
welcome to the manisphere. The last place we're going to
ask you to do some like digging into yourself. Okay,
if anything, we're gonna we're going to excavate the shit
outside completely nor everything that's happening internally. It's that And
that's the sort of guarantee we can offer you with
this ideology, is that you won't have to look into

(55:09):
your scary head and think about shit like that, because
trust me, it's it's it's everything else that's yeah, yeah, yeah,
and it's and I can see why if you're not
fully you know, developed like it, and as an adult
or whatever, how easily it is to like hoop into
that and why you see, like younger people younger and
younger people. It's like, you know, someone in their mid

(55:31):
twenties who's like tried to date, you can kind of
see like sort of the momentum that takes them there.
But like when teenagers are like already getting there, it's like, wow,
it's that's right.

Speaker 2 (55:41):
I feel like you young people are definitely susceptible to
that kind of like edgy humor as well, where it's
sort of it's like making jokes about Nazis and things
that you know your parents wouldn't make because that's too
far out. But I think that kind of sort of
edgy in quotation marks humor sort of works well on

(56:02):
those young people because I think it's you know, naughty,
so that in that way it sort of brings in
the really young people because they think that they're being
edgy and cool and stuff.

Speaker 3 (56:13):
But yeah, yeah, yeah, I really you know, the right
is currently a sendant in like European politics and in
US politics. It continues to be much more popular than
anybody would have thought heading into the year twenty sixteen.
But the people who like made the call on like

(56:34):
we need someone like Trump, like Steve Bannon. The thing
that the tea leaves that he was reading was like
gamer game, And it feels like this is a powerful
like engine of anger and hatred that is powering a
lot of what is going on and also being not ignored.

(56:57):
But I feel like the mainstream media like is just
more willing to leave it, you know, and just like
not not necessarily take it as seriously as some of
the other threads. Right, So yeah, that's why I really
I really appreciated your video and but the ways that
you were able to kind of kind of bring that

(57:18):
out in just a lot of these trends that we're seeing.

Speaker 2 (57:21):
Yeah, because yeah, I do feel like he gets ignored
in the mainstream media. I mean I'm not sure why.
Maybe because they don't want to, maybe because they see
it as a sort of passing fad. Maybe I'm not sure,
but it's it's definitely had a lot of staying power,
at least like I think for the last few years,
it's definitely had a lot of staying power.

Speaker 1 (57:43):
So yeah, and I think, yeah, I mean again, it's
like we can't count on corporate media to begin any
kind of critique on capitalism like that, to say, like
is this all connected? Because I'm sure like for young
men who are like, what the fuck, I don't have
a job. I'm not a baller. And it's like, I
don't know. Is it because you're like, why is your economy?

(58:04):
Why is the economy depressed in a way that you
think it shouldn't be? You know what I mean? Like,
there are a lot of other factors that play into
why you don't have Lambeau. It's not because you're not
balling enough. It's because, I mean, if the Lambeau or not,
you don't have a Honda accord because all of the
wealth is being transferred up to people and you're more
people are competing for finite resource, not hypergamy. It's every people.

(58:28):
More people are are competing for less and less available resources,
and that's that's having an effect on everything.

Speaker 4 (58:35):
So yeah, it is.

Speaker 1 (58:37):
It is. It's just like sort of that loop of
being like the sort of people who are being affected
by capitalism. There's a way for an ideology to creep in,
to explain a way it's like, well, don't don't start
looking into that. I know this thing has messed you up,
but I promise you it's not It's not that system.
It's not the system. It's this other thing. And that's
what I think is really insidious about the whole thing,

(58:57):
because it really does prevent like sort of a larger
scale analysis or like awareness around it. It just allows
us to kind of kick the can down the road,
and people treat this group of being like they're just
a bunch of weird guys. I don't know, but it's.

Speaker 2 (59:12):
Hard to explain though as well, isn't it Like financial
competency I think is a massive reason for this. I
don't think people realize how how the economic system that
we live under is actually built to enrich the richest
and keep the poor poor by way of you know,

(59:32):
paying interest on loans that they that they take out
and you don't own anything anymore. It's it's all a
monthly payment and it's but that's what we're born into
when we think that that's normal, when actually it's not
how things used to be at all. But like that,
but like millennials and Gen zs and genalpha's, they'll think
that that's that's just the way things work, and so

(59:55):
why why don't I have all of Why don't I
have a house like my parents did at my age?
And it's like, well, it's because of the economic system.
But it's really difficult to explain why because economics works
in such intrinsic, like intricate ways. So yeah, it's like,
how do you explain that to people right now?

Speaker 1 (01:00:17):
Yeah, and it's much easier to just say it's not
my fault, it's everyone else's fault. And yeah, then the
merry ground keeps going around and round. Well, thank you
so much for joining us.

Speaker 3 (01:00:27):
We really appreciate you coming on, and we really appreciate
all the amazing videos that you're making and the great
music as well. Where can people find you, follow you,
hear you other good stuff.

Speaker 2 (01:00:39):
I'm on YouTube at YouTube dot com slash Mooncat. That's
where you'll find my videos, which is my main thing.
I'm on Twitter and Instagram at Mooncat Music.

Speaker 3 (01:00:53):
Yeah, amazing, And is there a work of media that
you've been enjoying.

Speaker 2 (01:00:57):
Since I've had a micro In the past couple of days,
I've been absolutely binge watching Peep Show from season one
and I actually realized I was looking it up online
and I and I realized that America has actually tried
to do a remake of Peep Show five times and
failed every time.

Speaker 1 (01:01:18):
What can't be? Yeah, Nah, we got our own Mitchell
and Web that are killing it. It's Krasinski and fucking Pratt.
Fuck comedian Web.

Speaker 2 (01:01:37):
But yeah, I watched the I watched the first someone
found the initial first pilot of the first attempted the
American remake, and it had that guy from the Office
in it.

Speaker 1 (01:01:46):
What's it the main guy, Steve Correll?

Speaker 2 (01:01:49):
No, the other guy, the Steve Carell. No. Oh, maybe
it's not from the Office. No, no, no, the guy
I'm thinking of it is from The Big Bang. Oh yeah,
the guy who dates Penny whatever his name is.

Speaker 1 (01:02:05):
Then there was Jesse Armstrong.

Speaker 2 (01:02:08):
Wow is that what his name is?

Speaker 3 (01:02:10):
They just had greenlit a new one there set and
it says fifth times the charm for American peep show.

Speaker 1 (01:02:18):
So Jesse Armstrong from Succession is going to take a
stab at it. Well he would be the first. Wow. Wow.
I mean, I don't know. I feel like it's like
it's like Dune, right, I mean, I guess a bunch
of people failed, but then I guess they kind of
figured it out eventually, So maybe fifth time is the charm.

Speaker 3 (01:02:34):
Oh, Jesse Armstrong created people in the first place.

Speaker 1 (01:02:38):
What do you know? There? You go, pro Victor coming
in with the safe But is that the thing it
doesn't translate? I don't know. I mean the American Office
surely did, but will will Peepshow?

Speaker 4 (01:02:48):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:02:49):
I love the American Office. That definitely worked. But yeah,
I don't know. Maybe there's something specific about Peep Show
that doesn't work with American humor. I'm not sure, right,
it's weird, mindy caring.

Speaker 1 (01:03:01):
I'll figure it out.

Speaker 3 (01:03:03):
Miles, Where can people find you? Is there a workimedia
you've been enjoying?

Speaker 1 (01:03:08):
Find me Twitter, Instagram at Miles of Gray, Find Jack
and I on our basketball podcast, Miles and Jack om
at Lucy. You can find me talking ninety day Fiance
on four twenty Day Fiance with Sofia Alexandra a tweet.
I don't really like your tweet. But you know what,
I started watching that ren Fair show on that Oh yeah,
it's fucking wild. It's so weird, like it's shot it's

(01:03:31):
a documentary, but it's shot cinematically. But all of these
people are so into the Renfair world that it has
this like really sort of like hyper realistic feel to
it because they're truly saying things like King George gave
me everything. I like. They refer to this guy who
owns the Renaissance Fairs, King George. Wow, and it's like

(01:03:52):
it's the hierarchies that they all like kind of fit.
It's really wild and for someone like me who loves
a freaky ren fair check it out. Although the freaky
little subculture the way the way it's shot is a
little jarring because you it kind of blurs the lines
and like, are these people for real or is this
being acted? But no, it's it's it's real. So anyway,
that's what I've been watching.

Speaker 3 (01:04:12):
It's like, uh, Laguna Beach or Laguna whatever that show
on MTV, Yeah, on MTV that Like at first it
was like, wait, are these terrible actors or real? The
most insincere?

Speaker 1 (01:04:24):
No, they're so no, like they're so good at acting.
If they're acting, You're like, they're so good. I don't
know if they mean this right, and they're all everyone's
like a kookie character so far. So yeah, anyway, watching
You can.

Speaker 3 (01:04:37):
Find me on Twitter at Jack underscore O. Brian tweet
I've been enjoying just another check in from a version
of the Manisphere. Thought Slime tweeted saw a Joe Rogan
clip where he said that nobody knows why ghosts.

Speaker 1 (01:04:52):
Exist in every culture.

Speaker 3 (01:04:54):
It may be the single dumbest thing I've ever heard
someone say, nobody knows would exist in every culture, you know.

Speaker 2 (01:05:02):
Like what, that's the way I came across like even
shore psychology. They're like they find something that exists across
every culture, not thinking about the fact that every culture
in the world is definitely overcrossed with it every other culture, Like, well,
clearly it's it's ingrained in our minds. And if every
culture does it.

Speaker 1 (01:05:20):
No, yeah, I don't know, why would everyone do it?

Speaker 3 (01:05:25):
I guess someone just mean ghosts are real, you know,
because it can't be that Memorial can't do that. Everybody
struggles with fear of death in the finality of.

Speaker 2 (01:05:37):
Its No no, no, no, no.

Speaker 1 (01:05:39):
No, no, dude, I'll be I'll be balling when I died. Dude,
I can't wait. Like, you don't even matter. I don't
know about ghosts.

Speaker 3 (01:05:46):
Nobody knows, nobody can explain it. You can find me
on Twitter, Jack Underscore Brian. You can find us on
Twitter at Daily Zeitgeist where at the Daily Zeitgeist on Instagram.

Speaker 1 (01:05:55):
We have a Facebook fan page and a website. Daily
zeitgis dot com.

Speaker 3 (01:05:58):
We post our episodes and our foot Nope. We link
off to the information we talked about in today's episode,
as well as a.

Speaker 1 (01:06:04):
Song that we think you might enjoy. Miles of the song.
Do you think people might enjoy it? I think I
think our listeners should check out our guests music, check
out Mooncat's music. But ay, there's one track I like.
I mean, I like all these tracks, but there's one
specifically because I used to drive a Honda. It's called
Honda Civic.

Speaker 2 (01:06:20):
Oh yeah, that's that's a deep.

Speaker 1 (01:06:23):
Cold, heavy and you know it's like what what what
would we call that? Genre wise? It's like sci fi, trap,
R and B pop.

Speaker 2 (01:06:31):
I guess yeah, like irap R and B pop.

Speaker 1 (01:06:35):
I like this. I like the synth stuttering, you know
what I mean. We get a little you know, we're
getting some uh like snare chains and ship like that.
It's all good.

Speaker 3 (01:06:43):
I like you, so you should too. Honda Civic buy Mooncat.
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Speaker 1 (01:07:03):
Bye bye m